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WikiProject Anime and Manga: Several clarifications from WikiProject guidelines

1. Both reference A and B does not explicitly say voice actors from Anime B is the same as Anime A (they just list the names and roles as is). My question is, do I need to add reference A on voice actors on Anime A and reference B on voice actors on Anime B so that I could write a statement that "Casts from Anime A returned (in Anime B, as stated in article title)." Or, do I just have to rely solely on analyses from reference A and B to compare Anime A and B?

2. It is stated under Reliable Sources that I could cite retailers (of an already released products) as verifiable sources. If Publisher is named primary source, does Distributors that resells or get licence from Publisher is considered secondary source or still primary source?

3. After reading GA-Rank articles like Naruto, Psycho-Pass and Bleach, I could not find marketing campaign under all of them (as opposed to MOS by Gaming). Is it a rare case or a no-no within Anime and Manga WikiProjects?

Thank you for taking your time to review these questions one by one. I would be happy to share my draft upon request.

MHgabbanaMY (talk) 14:32, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello MHgabbanaMY, if you are wondering why you haven't got a reply, I'd venture a guess that this isn't always the best place to ask specific questions about a topic area. Teahouse is usually good with general questions about editing Wikipedia. So, I recommend you ask Q3 at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anime and manga or the talk page of any editor who is active in that WikiProject or has contributed significantly to the GAs you speak of. I recommend you ask Q2 at the talk page of the page where you read that you "could cite retailers ... as verifiable sources", or otherwise WT:OR or even WT:RS. Similarly Q1 seems suited for WT:V or WT:OR.

My answers are, and do take them with a grain of salt each,

1. It would be ideal if you had the source actually saying that the cast returned, but it is still good enough if you have two sources giving identical casts. I am assuming the sources do not give exhaustive lists of casts, so probably a good idea to say that "principal casts" returned as those are likely the ones listed in the sources.
2. I would look at it this way: Do the distributors have an interest in lying about anything (financial, personal, emotional connection with the subject), or do they not care? If I rented a theatre and ran my play, the theatre would be a secondary source in reporting how many attended my play (as their earnings don't depend on how well my play does); if I rented the theatre on discount, promising them a cut of the ticket sales, we would have to call them a primary source with regard to the attendance figure, as they are now a part of the team that put the play out, and have an interest in boosting the numbers.
3. It is unlikely that there would be rules against including anything about marketing. The requirement is that there is enough reliable, independent, secondary coverage; if that's there, it should be fine to add details about how a product was marketed. Do take note of WP:NOPRICES though.

Finally, it would be ideal if you posted to the relevant fora that I suggested and found out the correct answers. But, be reasonable with your choices and you don't need to worry about the minutiae of everything. This is a community project. If you get something wrong, someone will correct you, and drop you a note at your user talkpage. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 14:14, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello Usedtobecool, thanks for the heads-up. I find your responses did clear up some things for me. But as suggested, I will proceed to a specific WikiProject community instead for the same question. And thank you for replying even for a starter like me.

Switching the names of an article and its redirect

Hi, I'm fairly new to Wikipedia editing and was having an issue specifically with the song "Juro Qué" by the Spanish artist Rosalía. The article itself uses the spelling "Juro Qué" and has a redirect for "Juro Que", without the accent. The issue is that the song itself, by all indicated sources, official releases, and my own personal Spanish knowledge, is spelled "Juro Que" (without the accent) which makes much more sense considering that it translates to "I swear that". I attempted to move the page to the correct name only to be hindered by the fact that "Juro Que" already exists as a redirect page. I'm wondering if there's some simple way to move the current article's contents to the redirect page and then make the previous article a redirect for the new one. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Haydenaa (talk) 05:00, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello Haydenaa, not all users can move all pages around, I can't either. But all editors can request a move. Do see WP:Moving about issues to consider before implementing a move, and if you still conclude that moving is the best decision, see WP:RM. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 13:38, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

How to get these code insertion buttons in en.wikipedia.org?

The newer editors lack these bottom buttons for code text insertion.

Wikitext mode code-insertion buttons

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikitext_mode_code-insertion_buttons.png

Even on some pages especially on Wikipedia these buttons are not appearing even if I turn off beta features.

The code insertion buttons (those were available at the bottom of edit field) were greatly helpful.

(I dont know if that old feature has a specific name. If you know its name then please feel free to add that technical term).

How to get back these buttons?

RIT RAJARSHI (talk) 06:05, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

PS. Turning off beta features did not solved it.

RIT RAJARSHI (talk) 06:05, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

RIT RAJARSHI, not sure if this helps, but have you tried toggling "Enable the editing toolbar" under Preferences → Editing or "Add extra buttons to the old (non-enhanced) editing toolbar" under Preferences → Gadgets? --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 06:12, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

@Tenryuu: Status: Solved as per taking help from IRC Text chat. They suggested me to turn on the "CharInsert toolbar under edit window". I also ticked the turn on the Enable the 2006 Legacy toolbar. Also on bottom on edit field there is an "insert" dropdown menu, I found there is an option for Wiki mark up. It solved my purpose. RIT RAJARSHI (talk) 09:05, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

RIT RAJARSHI (talk) I followed the advice above, this is very useful. I had Charinsert enabled and clicking the drop down menu brought these links. I did not enable 2006 legacy toolbar. I think that there is no need to do that. what is the benefit ? --Cedix (talk) 09:20, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

RIT RAJARSHI, glad to hear! I primarily use the WikEd gadget so I don't use charset that often. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 19:56, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

@Tenryuu: I use both kind of tools but I use the CharInsert tool quite often especially for Wiki Markups. RIT RAJARSHI (talk) 06:55, 7 April 2020 (UTC) This CharInsert feature must NOT be made obsoleted. RIT RAJARSHI (talk) 06:55, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

@Cedix:No, I further found that option (2006) of gadget tab is being overrided by another settings (2010) in Edit tab of preference. So it did not caused any change. But just now I remembered I did another important change. On preferences-> Beta features tab, I unclicked the "automatically enable all beta features". This option was ticked previously so all the time I unticked the "new wikitext mode", it automatically ticked into the new Wikitext mode, thus was nullifying my effort to uncheck new Wikitext mode.

RIT RAJARSHI (talk) 09:31, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

RIT RAJARSHI ok. I did not enable the "automatically enable all beta features". Visual difference and 2 column edit conflict appear to be the only useful options to me, so I only enabled those 2 beta features. To summarize for everyone's benefit, all I did to solve your problem, was to, have Charinsert enabled and clicking the drop down menu at "Insert" to select Wikimarkup brought these links. Thank you for bringing this up. This thread was informative and useful. Cedix (talk) 10:12, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Here is a related discussion

https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vjz6dbj0jfzuph25&topic_showPostId=vk07w9d6zg392tr0&fromnotif=1 I initiated this discussion in MediaWiki and now there is a response from an user Template:Reply to:Jdforrester (WMF) (https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Jdforrester_(WMF)). The response says a vital information:

". Communities who want special characters should add them in the site configuration, like the [German Wikipedia has done]."

Discussion Permalink: https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Vjz6dbj0jfzuph25&topic_showPostId=vk07w9d6zg392tr0#flow-post-vk07w9d6zg392tr0

RIT RAJARSHI (talk) 17:17, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Help with Copyright

Hello, I just created a page on American Society for Histocompatibility and Immunogenetics, and it was marked for speedy deletion. However, I don't think it should be deleted due to the fact that is an important organization in the field of histocompatibility, immunogenetics and transplant immunology, it included the history from the society's website as no other credible sources could be found and is an important part of the development of medicine. It is also an education society for clinical professionals so it does not meet the criteria for deletion. I'm not sure how to resolve this issue. I also have contact to the society's president and can ask for the organization's permission to use the text.

SaladH (talk) 15:52, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

@SaladH: In addition to the copyright issue, you need to provide references to coverage that is not related to the company. See WP:NORG. RudolfRed (talk) 16:19, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

SaladH, we can't use copyrighted text, no matter how important it is. You must summarise the sources in your own words. This is a policy with legal ramifications, so is taken very seriously.

Also, if asking for permission to use the text, remember that Wikipedia is licensed under Creative Commons Attribution ShareAlike - anyone can use 99% of things here for any purpose, as long as they credit us. Any content licensed for use here must be under the same, or less restrictive terms, and copyright holders should know that any text donated to us can and will be used for any purpose.

If after knowing this, they do want to license the text, ask them to fill in Wikipedia:Declaration of consent for all enquiries and email it to permissions-enwikimedia.org. ~~ Alex Noble/1-2/TRB 16:20, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, SaladH, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that if "no other credible sources can be found" then the organisation necessarily fails to meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, and no article about it will be acceptable, however it is written. Wikipedia articles need to be 100% based on reliably published material, and something like 95% based on reliable published material that is wholly independent of the subject. Sorry. --ColinFine (talk) 18:29, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

@ColinFine:So, technically, European Federation for Immunogenetics should not be a page as well? Now, I'm confused. I created the page only because I saw EFI on wikipedia, as ASHI was the first HLA organization before EFI.--SaladH (talk) 06:28, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Possibly not, SaladH. I have just tagged that article as relying too much on primary sources. It looks like a classic case of somebody mistaking Wikipedia for a place for telling people about yourself. We have huge amounts of stuff on Wikipedia that shouldn't be here: see other stuff exists. --ColinFine (talk) 10:59, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Demchok and Demqog (both are administered by India, but Demqog is shown as a part of Ngari Prefecture of China)

Hi there! I wanted to report that why is Demqog (located in Ladakh, India) is shown as a part of Ngari prefecture in China? The part is fully administered by India and Demqog is not under the control of China. FlyJet777 (talk) 17:57, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

@FlyJet777: The article says it is in dispute between India and China. You can start a discussion on the article's talk page if you want to make a change. RudolfRed (talk) 18:06, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

@FlyJet777: fixing ping. Not my day. RudolfRed (talk) 18:07, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: Yeah I understand that it is disputed between India and China but it is administered by India. So showing it as a part of Ngari Prefecture is false information. The disputed part is already mentioned in the article and I don't have any problem with it. But, showing it as part of China is nothing more than providing false info. Thanks! FlyJet777 (talk) 18:11, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

FlyJet777, please take it to the talk page of the article in question. All content disputes are the domain of editors working on the article itself. There are no outside authorities who can force the issue. If you get nowhere with the editors in question, you can explore other avenues of Dispute Resolution (do take a read). Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 13:32, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

COI

Hi. I made some updates to the page of Michael Stokes (photographer) in November, and it was flagged as a conflict of interest and incorrect citing of sources. I have stated -- though it's very possible I did it in the wrong place -- that I do not know the subject personally, though I did email him to ask if I could upload a photo from his website. He said yes, and I uploaded it, not realizing that this could be considered a copyright issue. The photo was removed (I now understand why) and then the conflict of interest note appeared at the top of the page. I would like to get this resolved but I am clueless. If someone can help guide me, I would appreciate it. Thank you. Apparently I've also cited some sources incorrectly. If someone could guide me on that issue as well, I would be most grateful.

Glendon wasey (talk) 19:12, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy link:Michael Stokes (photographer) .ThatMontrealIP (talk) 21:10, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Glendon wasey, please engage with the editor/s who have posted to your talk page enquiring about the possible COI and reach an understanding. You should also make a post to the talk page of the article, clarifying your position and your relationship (or lack thereof) with the subject of the article. You can post to the article talk page asking that the COI tag be removed from the article, and other editors will in all likelihood respond with what needs to be resolved before that can be done. If no one responds in, say, a week, you can go ahead and remove the tag yourself, wait for it to be reinstated and then start the conversation with whoever happens to reinstate it. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 18:51, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Please Check my Sandbox and let me know if the article is correct for publishing

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Surelyshubham/sandbox Here is the link of my sandbox. Please go through this article very well & let me know if it is publishable or not. Thank You. Surelyshubham (talk) 20:23, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello Surelyshubham. I have moved your draft to draftspace. See here. You can click the Submit draft for review button and someone will review your draft eventually. Please be patient during this process because it can take months before your draft is reviewed. You might get lucky and have it reviewed sooner. Please let me know if you have further questions and I'll be happy to answer them. Interstellarity (talk) 20:40, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

You should at least fix the reference error: 'The named reference "Beatport" was defined multiple times with different content'. Ruslik_Zero 20:55, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

I fixed the ref error. I'm not sure the article will pass AFC, it needs more independent sources in good publications. Detailed coverage is what is needed.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 21:08, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Please check this link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Joe_Mesmar I have fixed the issues you have told. I am wondering will this article pass? Please tell me. Thanks in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Surelyshubham (talk • contribs) 18:26, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Surelyshubham, it looks pretty WP:GARAGE to be honest. No amounting of editing can compensate for the lack of notability. Also, I could not find any declarations of WP:COI/WP:PAID. Usedtobecool ☎️ 18:38, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Display Category Contents

Hello there! I was wondering if it's possible to display a category's contents on a page without the use of bots and whatnot. Thanks in advance! — Preceding unsigned comment added by ToxiBoi (talk • contribs) 22:50, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

ToxiBoi, not sure what you mean. Do you mean you want to create a list of all articles in a category in a separate page? Usedtobecool ☎️ 18:34, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Usedtobecool, yes. –ToxiBoi! ^(contribs) 21:56, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

ToxiBoi, you could open the category and hit Ctrl+A, Ctrl+C. Don't think there's a neater, better, easier way without bots.

Categories populate instantaneously when a page is added to it. So, there is probably an efficient method within the wiki software itself (which is likely, anyway, not accessible to general users), but that's way above my paygrade. Try WP:RD/C or WP:VPT if you want people more familiar with the technical aspects of Wikipedia/Computing to see your question. But, going from previous experience, it's a fair bet that a few of them would have seen this post already, though no one seems to have thought they had a confident answer to give here. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 04:52, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Looking for help

Hi I am looking for someone that can write and submite an article about my self. Rebekah Shiree 00:50, 7 April 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by RebekahShiree (talk • contribs) 2020-04-07T01:50:47 (UTC)

Hello, RebekahShiree, and welcome to the Teahouse. First, thank you for asking here, rather than plunging in and trying to do it, as many people do.

Unfortunately, there is no easy answer. Writing a Wikipedia article is one of the hardest tasks in editing Wikipedia, and almost all editing is done by volunteers. In order to find somebody to write an article about you, you will need to persuade somebody that they want to do it; which depends on the question, "How will it benefit Wikipedia to have an article about Rebekah Shiree?" And the answer to that depends on whether you are notable in Wikipedia's special sense of the word: roughly, have severl people wholly unconnected with you, and unprompted by you, chosen to write at some length about you, and been published by reputable publishers?

If there are several such sources, then it is possible for somebody to write an article about you. (You are strongly advised not to try it yourself, as you may already be aware: see Autobiography). In that case, I would suggest posting at requested articles citing those sources. You may not be successful - the take-up there is low - but if you can cite several high-quality sources about you, then your request will be more attractive to an editor than if you don't.

A couple of other points: first, note that an article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing: if one does get written, you will have no control whatever over its contents, and will be restricted to requesting changes to it. Secondy, thank you for signing your posting; but because you typed it in longhand it didn't include a link to your user account, which would be very helpful to people replying. If you use the code of four tildes {~~~~) on the end of your message, (or pick the "sign" button, depending on how you are editing) it will put it in automatically, with a link and the time and date. --ColinFine (talk) 13:07, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

DBQuery error

Template:Known Issue Dear Friends, One of my students encountered the following: wikimedia\rdbms\DBQueryError. Does anyone know what to do with this? Sadly, it's miles above my pay grade.Ijmusic (talk) 01:35, 7 April 2020 (UTC) Ijmusic (talk) 01:35, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Ijmusic, where did your student encounter this error? I'd also recommend you to WP:VPT for errors like this as the regulars over there are more tech-savvy. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 01:39, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

@Tenryuu and Ijmusic: relevant section for this particular error is WT:VPT#Error on all non-talk pages at the present time. Stay well, Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 01:45, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Rotideypoc41352, the link you provided has been moved to another discussion, but thanks for pointing us in the right direction. @Ijmusic: please check WP:VPT#Wikimedia\Rdbms\DBQueryError. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 02:01, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

My thanks to you both! Ijmusic (talk) 19:59, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Help!

Hi there,

I'm looking to update the biography of a living person. There are several notable mentions on pages such as: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiny_Talent_Time

and

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CHCH-DT

However, the name is not correct, it does not link to a biography of a living person and there is missing information.

Can someone help me with this? Thanks in advance. Harper19 (talk) 01:56, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

@Harper19: Which article are you trying to update? RudolfRed (talk) 02:08, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Harper19, I'm not sure who you're referring to, but we can't use Wikipedia as a source to start new articles. See WP:CIRCULAR. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 02:16, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks so much for responding. It's in regards to Jaclyn Colville being mentioned for shows such as Tiny Talent Time, Morning Live and Morning Live First Edition. Now going by the name Jaclyn Harper on air. I've created a sandbox to document this with citations but I'm not exactly sure what I'm doing. can I share it here for review? How does that work?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Harper19/sandbox — Preceding unsigned comment added by Harper19 (talk • contribs) 02:44, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

You would be best getting a reviewer to review it by clicking on the Submit your draft for review! button. I do have to ask though: looking at your talk page and prior contributions I see you wrote something in the main articlespace on the same person a year ago. Coupled with your username, are you Jaclyn Colville herself? I'll let you know that it is strongly discouraged to write about yourself on here as it is an extreme conflict of interest. For more info please read WP:AUTO. --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 02:51, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Pinging Harper19 correctly this time. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 02:52, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you so very much for your help. I so appreciate it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Harper19 (talk • contribs) 02:58, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Three observations: 1) This is an attempt at an autobiographical article, confirmed by one of your Edit summaries "I updated my career life. Highlighted what I am doing now and where I've been working. I also added a citation for being a Hamiltonian." And 2) As Jaclyn Harper (Colville) this submission has already been Speedy deleted twice. If you submit it, I would expect it to be Declined or Rejected (more severe), and there is a likelihood that the topic may be "salted," meaning that no attempt to create the article can go forward without approval by an administrator. My recommendation is delete the draft and stop trying. And 3) You have been warned on your Talk page that if you persist your account may be indefinitly blocked, meaning that you will lose all editing privileges. David notMD (talk) 14:18, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Usable images

I welcome knowing what images are able to be used. I've read up on this but I keep feeling dead ended when I read that most images online are copyrighted and anything not allowed will be yanked. I want to follow the rules. :) I'm looking for images to improve a person page, to illustrate various parts of her career. I see images across the web, used on more than one website. Images such as TV show stills and DVD movie covers. If the 'owner' is not able to be tracked down, can I use them in Wikipedia as a fair use; may I do this for any image online I can't trace to a copyright owner? Also, do they have to be downloaded into my own device before being imported to Wikimedia? --PaulThePony (talk) 03:58, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

I deleted your examples (an Admin should remove from Teahouse View history). Even here at Teahouse, Wikipedia cannot have copyright protected content. Not being able to locate the owner is not a valid excuse. David notMD (talk) 08:35, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, PaulThePony. Not sure what I can say beyond the image use policy. No, you can't use an image unless you can demonstrate that it is either public domain or has been appropriately licensed by the copyright holder. Yes, this puts an unfortunate limitation on the images we can use - which is why, I think, en-wiki has chosen to make limited us of fair use, in the form of the non-free content criteria. But unless you can satisfay all those criteria, you cannot use images that way either (which excludes nearly all images of living people). --ColinFine (talk) 13:48, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

With apologies, David notMD. No disregard for appropriate action was intended and it won't be repeated.

Thank you, ColinFine. Would a publicity photo of a celebrity that has been widely distributed (created for the express purpose of mass public dissemination) be categorized as available to be used here? --PaulThePony (talk) 16:25, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi PaulThePony. Whether files like photos can be upload and used in Wikipedia articles does, for the most part, depend on their copyright status. Wikipedia prefers freely-licensed or public domain images, etc. as explained in Wikipedia:Copyright#Guidelines for images and other media files, but it does allow certain types of copyrighted content to be uploaded and used as non-free content. So, whether that publicity photo can or should be uploaded will depend upon its copyright status. Being widely or publicly available doesn't mean not protected by copyright or within the public domain, and many publicity photos you see of people are in fact protected by copyright even though the copyright holder may be releasing (even selling) physical copies of the photo for others to use. When you purchase a Blu-ray of a movie, you "own" the disc, case, etc. in a sense, but you don't "own" the intellectual property contained therein. So, while you might decide to use the case as a coaster; you can't really start reproducing the contents on the Blu-ray and giving it to others, unless you the copyright holder or said content. The same applies to publicity photos, etc. in that you cannot release them under a free license if they aren't 100% your own work. Try taking a look at c:Commons:Licensing and if after reading through that you think the photo meets that standard, then maybe it's OK. If you read that and it does seem like the photo is likely copyrighted, then your only option may be non-free content, but there's lots of restrictions placed on such files and non-free content is not the same as fair use when it comes to Wikipedia. — Marchjuly (talk) 21:22, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you so very much for taking the time to go through that so carefully, Marchjuly. Following up, if a key factor in the usage of an image here is whether or not it is copyrighted, it leaves me with this key question: How do I know if it is copyrighted? I found the double negatives in the non-free content explanation page very confusing. As for my pursuit, I have written to the media department of a network which originally put forth some images--stills from episodes, for example. Back to the general, I don't know how to find out about other images, such as a publicity photo. (One might have hired a photographer to do publicity photos and that photographer's business may be long gone, or they may have died.) If the person her/himself is not reachable or otherwise able to verify ownership, how would one go about finding if there is a copyright? The point is this: Why have as a key criteria something that is not knowable much of the time? --PaulThePony (talk) 22:22, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

I'm not a copyright lawyer, and I'm not sure I can answer your question other than to say that it's probably best to assume that an image is copyrighted by default and then try and work from there; in other words, unless there is something explicitly stating that the image is within the public domain or has been released under a free license (like Creative Commons) that Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons accepts, then it's probably best to assume that the image is copyrighted (even if it doesn't say that it is).

Lots of images you'll find online probably weren't uploaded by their original copyright holders, and whomever uploaded them in many cases probably didn't even think about whether it was OK to so so. Many times, copyrighted images are uploaded and used under the concepts or fair use or fair dealing and technically these probably wouldn't be seen as copyright violations if push came to shove. The content found on most websites is also generally protected by copyright; so, even if the owners of the websites aren't the original copyright holders of the content they're hosting, there's still some degree of (indirect) copyright protection perhaps. This doesn't mean that there aren't people who won't download images they find online and try to reuse them as if they were their own, but it also doesn't mean that they've been given permission to do so.

Wikipedia (and all websites run by the Wikimedia Foundation), on the other hand, is basically giving anyone anywhere in the world the OK to reuse the content it hosts pretty much free of charge for any purpose at any time as long as they do so in accordance with wmf:Terms of Use#7. Licensing of Content, and that's pretty much what you're agreeing to allow every time you click the "Publish changes" button. While it's OK for you to agree to such a thing for content you create, you cannot do so for content created by others without their explicit consent.

It's hard to go into too much detail here at the Teahouse because that's not really what the role of the Teahouse per se. So, if you have specific questions about a specific image, then you might want to try asking at either at Wikipedia:Media copyright questions or c:Commons:Village pump/Copyright because that's where you'll likely find people more familiar with this type of thing. Copyright laws vary (sometimes quite a bit) from country to country and whether something is eligible for copyright can depend on a variety of factors. So, if you're able to provide a link to the website hosting the photo or as much information about its provenance as you can on one of those two pages, someone familiar with image use and image licensing might be able to help you sort things out. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:50, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Citing pdf from Wikimedia Commons

Hello to the hosts ! I am currently working on improving inline citations of an article I created (Bhilwara (Rajasthan Assembly constituency)). I want to cite pdf from Election Commission of India website (https://eci.gov.in/files/file/3378-rajasthan-1951/), but their is no option to view the pdf (the button directly downloads the file).I can think of two ways to solve the problem :

• cite the link directly (the pdf file will be lost if the webpage is changed to remove the button).
• upload the file on wikimedia commons and then cite.

with reference to 2, I was not able to found any relevant information about citing from Commons on Wikipedia. Also how can I determine that the files are not already uploaded on Commons. Thank You :) Sanyam.wikime (talk) 05:19, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

I personally would use the Developer tools in Firefox to get the actual url of the PDF and then cite that. Since the browser has to download the pdf anyway to display it, this doesn't make a difference. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 06:18, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

@Victor Schmidt mobil: Already tried that but the button does not contains the direct url to the file, the url directly downloads it. Also can you clear my doubts in point 2. Sanyam.wikime (talk) 07:05, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Sanyam.wikime, url is not an essential element of a citation. If the website doesn't provide a useful link to add to the citation, just omit it. In this case, you want to cite a document from the Election Commission of India, on 1951 Rajasthan elections. I would cite thusly:{{cite report|title=STATISTICAL REPORT ON GENERAL ELECTION, 1951 TO THE LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF RAJASTHAN|publisher=Election Commission of India|date=}} It would probably be not so bad an idea to include the url to the page with the download button; it would be useful as long as it exists, and at least provide a record of where the file was available from, in our time. But, as I said, the fact that it's a report, the title of the report and the publisher is probably enough info to help anyone track it down.

The file seems to be copyrighted, so you could not upload it to commons.

Commons is a repository of media files. So, citing from Commons, I reckon you would format the citation as you would any other, and add "via=Wikimedia Commons" parameter to it.

All one can do is search and try to find the file, to see if it is already uploaded. Using categories helps; for images, I use google search with "keyword cite:commons.wikimedia.org" and filter the results by licensing information. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 18:28, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

User talk:Pikachu6686/Archive 1

I've created this. Will a bot automatically start archiving this? pikachu - pika - play 06:48, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

@Pikachu6686: Nope. All you did so far is to create the archive page. You still have to tell the bot that he should archive this, which is done in a different way. You can have a look at Help:Archiving a talk page for the correct procedure, howewer, since your talk page has only three sections, there is no point in archiving. 08:43, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Artles mbeiza kisira and kisembo basemera

Some of the articles I submitted were rejected for lack of enough sources. The people I wrote about are members of parliament of uganda(some in their first term of office) and don't have enough coverage. Requesting for more advice, any additions and corrections to the rejected articles is highly appreciated. Thanks Alvinategyeka (talk) 07:02, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Alvinategyeka Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. While members of a national parliament do merit articles as notable politicians, there still must be significant coverage about them in independent reliable sources. It needs to be more than a brief mention. These sources do not need to be online, they may be print only sources as long as you provide a proper citation. 331dot (talk) 08:10, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

This article is being considered for deletion

I got the message saying "This article is being considered for deletion in accordance with Wikipedia's deletion policy. Please share your thoughts on the matter at this article's entry on the Articles for deletion page. Feel free to improve the article, but the article must not be blanked, and this notice must not be removed, until the discussion is closed. For more information, particularly on merging or moving the article during the discussion, read the guide to deletion. Find sources: "Christiani & Nielsen" – news · newspapers · books · scholar · JSTOR"

It has been requested that certain historical revisions of this page be redacted by an administrator under criterion RD1 (Blatant copyright violations), because the page's history contains significant copyright violations that have been removed in the meantime. The revisions requested to be redacted are:

946452190(Copyvios report) to 946452190 (inclusive) 948305231(Copyvios report) to 948889648 (inclusive)

What should I do next? Please help. Puttaruksa (talk) 08:04, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Puttaruksa Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. If you feel that the article should not be deleted, you may comment on the deletion discussion(linked to in the deletion message), preferably with an argument based in Wikipedia guidelines as to why the article should not be deleted. There is nothing you can do about the copyrighted material, it will need to be removed. 331dot (talk) 08:07, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Does YouTube count as reference?

Hi, regarding the Draft:James Haworth I am unsure if a YouTube link would count as a suitible reference when talking about view counts?
Much thanks, --Cavan Hill (talk) 09:00, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

@Cavan.hill: no, there should be an independent source discussing that. Partly because that is the kind of information that can change quickly, partly because unless a secondary source has reported on it, it is undue information – having a lot of views does not in itself make a YouTuber notable, not if independent sources haven't reported it. --bonadea contributions talk 12:21, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Organisation: Priority of Official stance and criticisms against it

I read a page in wikipedia about an organisation. I noticed that its introduction does not contain its official stance but what other's and "Independent sources" think about it.

Should not an official stance be written about first and criticism's and portrayal's later on? What are the guidelines in writing about an organisation and importance level of the official stance.

Ex: Countries' declared boundaries which differ from actual on-ground situation, an organisation which claims to not be militaristic but is called paramilitary, a independent and credible news organisation which calls itself neutral but is called biased by other independent and credible sources. Santosh L (talk) 09:41, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Santoshsatvik. Wikipedia is basically not interested in what any subject says about themselves. It is only interested in what independent sources say about them. See Independent. --ColinFine (talk) 12:46, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks ColinFine. This is enough. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Santoshsatvik (talk • contribs) 14:04, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Copula article declined

Hello, My article was declined by a senior editor :@Sulfurboy:. The comments provided were "What is going to be most helpful here is providing a lead that introduces the subject to the uninitiated reader. That is, imagine you are trying to explain this concept as simply as possible to someone that doesn't know about this subject, how would you do so? Once that is done we can properly assess the notability of the subject." This comment makes perfect sense, however, the concept is already define in another article on Wikipedia at URL https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copula_(probability_theory). Does it mean that I am suppose to duplicate the same information in my article? Or it it more appropriate to merge two articles? Also, I would be thankful if a senior editor could help write this up so that it is accepted? Thanks for the feedback. Earthianyogi (talk) 11:00, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

@Earthianyogi: I'm not entirely sure of surf's objection as it seems to decline based on notability but then talks about a lede. Both do seem to be issues in this case.

The first issue, notability, is easy. Can you reference an example of this topic being used in the real world? For instance, is there a product that was developed using this technique? Is it a topic that appears in lots of standard references? Presto, it's notable. That's the easy one, so start there.

The lead is a bigger issue. To start with, the article does have something like a lead already - simply remove the header "Copula in Signal Processing" and that paragraph becomes a typical lead for a math article. Done! All that's lacking are examples of applications to provide notability, which would make a perfect second paragraph.

But beyond that, the lead should strive to introduce the topic without requiring the user to go to other articles. So no, I don't think that there is an article on copula is enough by itself - and in this particular case that article's lead is also very poor IMHO. Think about it this way: chances are a user will end up on this article via a Google search. They may or may not know anything about math, their search might have even been a typo. So what do you need to say in that very first section so they can immediately tell what this article is about?

I would need to understand what a CDF is, "unit-space", and what "uniform marginal distributions on the interval (0, 1)" are. Those are definitions that a mathematician would know, but not a random reader. That's a lot of definitions, so see if you can simplify each of those down to a core concept. It appears the core concept here is that a copula is a method of linking together a group of independant random variables, yes? Ok, there's your first sentence or two. Now, why is that useful in signal processing and who uses it for that? Now you have a lead.

Writing a lead for a technical article is perhaps the hardest thing to do in the wiki in terms of writing. You have to summarize the entire topic in a couple of paragraphs, not miss out anything important, and explain everything without jargon. A good lead is art, not science. Maury Markowitz (talk) 12:18, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

@Maury Markowitz: Thank you for your explanation. I think I get it quite clearly now. However, I have defined the uses in the table quite extensively. Is that not good enough? This article is a subset of another article by name COPULA, which already exists, and hence the title 'copula in signal processing'. Thx Earthianyogi (talk) 12:38, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

@Earthianyogi: Yes those are good use-cases, now just summarize them in the lead as well. "Copulas are widely used by industry in signal processing tasks, including such widely varied applications as the prediction of wind power, ...". Pick three or four examples that are likely to catch someone's eye. Maury Markowitz (talk) 12:47, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

P.S. "Senior editor" is not a category. There are editors, soe of whom are qualified as article reviewers and others as administrators. If any editor wants to contribute to improving your draft, that is up to them. If, by looking at other mathematics articles you can identify editors who have worked on those (via seeing their names and dates of contributions using View history), you could consider leaving a message on their Talk pages inviting help. David notMD (talk) 13:08, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

@David notMD: Thanks, I actually did invite some editors who helped in creating the copula page. Cheers Earthianyogi (talk) 14:06, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

@David notMD:, :@Maury Markowitz: , :@Sulfurboy:: Hello, I have update the draft and resubmitted.

I added: "A copula is a mathematical function that provides a relationship between marginal distributions of random variables and their joint distributions. Copula is important because it represents a dependence structure without using marginal distributions. Copula has been widely used in the field of finance, but its use in signal processing is relatively new. Copula has been employed in the field of wireless communication for classifying radar signals, change detection in remote sensing applications, and EEG signal processing in medicine."

However, I was unable to remove the title 'Copula signal processing'; maybe someone could help. thanks again. Earthianyogi (talk) 15:25, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Assuming you mean Draft:Copula in signal processing, the title can be changed if/when/after the draft is accepted. David notMD (talk) 16:36, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

@Earthianyogi: That is a superb summary. Maury Markowitz (talk) 16:43, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

@Maury Markowitz: and  :@David notMD: - Thanks to both of you! :) Earthianyogi (talk) 16:54, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

User:Earthianyogi - You are trying to write about complex mathematical topics. First, I thank you for working on a neutral technical topic that I do not understand well. I would rather see mathematical topics that I do not understand than advertising that I do understand. Second, I suggest that you might get more knowledgable advice at WikiProject Mathematics. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:02, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

+1 I would like to add my appreciation on seeing for a change a draft on a topic that is not the author's secret alter-ego or their own business. Also, second that subject-specific experts available at the relevant wikiprojects would be best-positioned to help going forward. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 18:04, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

User:Usedtobecool and ::User:Robert McClenon, Thank you for all the kind comments and suggestions. I have requested some help on WikiProject Mathematics. Let's see what happens. CheersEarthianyogi (talk) 18:12, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Quoting different articles from a collection

I'm looking for advice on how to best cite from a collection work where the articles within are by different authors. In particular, this reference has a number of high-quality historical monologs that often overlap. Currently, there is a single bib entry and cites within the body reference the editor name and page number, but this obscures the actual article and author that's being cited, some of which have appeared in other collections. What's the best option here? Maury Markowitz (talk) 11:39, 7 April 2020 (UTC) Maury Markowitz (talk) 11:39, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Maury Markowitz, do you use {{cite book}} template? I would fill the "chapter" parameter, fill "author" parameter with the actual author of the chapter, add editors of the whole work under "editor[n]". If you only want to cite the chapter without the book so that it doesn't matter where the chapter appears, you would need to know more details about the specific chapters, such as where it was published, by whom and when. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 13:26, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

@Usedtobecool: Normally for collection works I use cite encyclopedia, and put in the editor. But, as far as I'm aware, that would require a separate cite for each article within the collection? I'm quoting one article in that book by Grove, and another by Friedman, so they are two completely separate articles but in the same collection. Maury Markowitz (talk) 16:45, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

@Maury Markowitz: An example for what you want to do can be found under "Citing a chapter in a book with different authors for different chapters and an editor" at Template:Cite book#Examples. And yes, different chapters by different authors require separate citations. Deor (talk) 17:20, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Cite book, Cite encyclopedia and all the others are kinda like children of {{citation}} and are mostly interchangeable; they produce differences in the commas, italics, etc. that academics and FA writers would notice.

Since two chapters are written by two different sets of authors, we would need to make individual citations for each, that would be a feature rather than a bug. Different works by different writers =Different sources. WP:BUNDLING will give the visual appearance of one citation, but may or may not be desirable. Usedtobecool ☎️ 17:45, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

PUBLISH OF PROFILE

ARUPBASAK TT (talk) 11:49, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

@ARUPBASAK TT: as an Encyclopedia, Wikipedia doesn't have profiles, Wikipedia has articles that base on independent reliable sources. The page you created was not in article space, it was you userpage, which is intended so you can write a few things on yourself related to Wikipedia's goals. Victor Schmidt (talk) 12:21, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

need help with some1 falsely changing a page

who do you call when there is some1 actively changing apage with bogus info. just look at the last changes of "List of professional sports teams in the United States and Canada". ToeFungii (talk) 14:15, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

I have reported the IP in question to the administrators. In response to your question if you have Twinkle enabled you can report any users or IPs that are persistently vandalising Wikipedia to the administrators. you can also request page protection if you think it is nessercery. REDMAN 2019 (talk) 14:31, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Question

Hi! How can I edit articles in English? I can do so easily in French but as regards articles in English, I only have access to the "edit the code" button. It seems to be also impossible to create a new article. Where can I find the criteria necessary (if any) to be allowed to contribute further. Thanks for your help! Anmingli75 (talk) 14:35, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi Anmingli75 In order to create new articles on English Wikipedia, you need to have an autoconfirmed account- this happens automatically once your account is 4 days old and you've made 10 edits. So make 9 more edits to pages on English Wikipedia, and then you can create articles. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:41, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Anmingli75, In addition to what Joseph2302 has said, are you trying to use the Visual Editor instead of source code (that is, editing text as you would see it when published)? Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 15:03, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your quick response. Yes, I meant using the visual editor and not only the source code. I am simply surprised that these restrictions apply in English but not in French so I wanted to check that there was no other reason for them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anmingli75 (talk • contribs) 15:08, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Anmingli75 Every language is a differently run project, and so they have different rules. English Wikipedia implemented this rule to combat new accounts writing bad quality articles, which was a large problem. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:54, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Bonjour, Anmingli75, et bienvenu à la Maison du Thé. Please be aware that each language Wikipedia is a separate project, with its own procedures and rules. An article that is accepted in one will not necessarily be accepted in another. Tranlsations of your French articles may be immediately acceptable in en-wiki, or they might need considerable change (eg for what are acceptable sources). I suggest you look at your first article, even though you are experienced. Translate us may also be relevant. --ColinFine (talk) 15:53, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Three Questions

Three questions: 1. How do I know if I’m autoconfirmed? 2. Will Twinkle work on iOS? 3. If it does, where can I get it? Dronebogus (talk) 15:49, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

@Dronebogus: See this page, it will show when you become autoconfirmed, which normally happens after 10 edits and your account is 4 days old: [1]. Twinkle is done in your browser. The page at Wikipedia:Twinkle says it works in most modern smartphone browsers. That same page will tell you how to turn it on. RudolfRed (talk) 15:59, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks! Dronebogus (talk) 16:00, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Caleb_Stanton

Hello! I've been trying to create an article for a musician, and I keep getting declined because the sources aren't notable enough. Any suggestions on how to find notable sources? Thanks! Dudup2020 (talk) 16:11, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Caleb Stanton declined three times, and the reviewers provided reasons and some guidance. Minimally, delete all the iTunes refs and seek what people have about him. Also, a lot of what is in the draft seems to be personal knowledge (Example: "Stanton started writing songs at age 14. He wrote them behind his bedroom door, where no one could hear."). Your User page should explain what if any personal connection you have to Stanton. David notMD (talk) 16:39, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

@Dudup2020: To add to what David notMD said above, the key thing about Wikipedia is that it is reporting the basic facts about someone or something. And all of the facts must be verifiable by some OTHER source. Ideally, every sentence in every article should be supported by some "reliable source". And these sources are not BY the person, but rather ABOUT the person. You need to find articles that talk about Caleb Stanton and support the information you are including. Are there articles in his hometown newspaper? Are there articles about a new release of his that can be found on some music site? Has he given any interviews that are published on media sites somewhere? I see from his website that he was on tour - were there news interviews in any of the locations where he toured? Those are the kind of articles that can help serve as reliable sources. You may find this Referencing for beginners page helpful.

Also, you need to be careful with the text you include. The text in the intro part of your draft article seems to have been copied exactly from Caleb Stanton's 'about' page. Unless it is specifically included in quotation marks, or is truly basic facts (ex. Caleb Stanton was born in Ypsilanti, MI), text cannot be just copied, as that could lead to potentially either plagiarism or copyright violations (or both). Your article needs to summarize the information in your own words (while also avoiding close paraphrasing). I hope that helps. Thank you for wanting to contribute articles to Wikipedia! - Dyork (talk) 17:24, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello! Cutting my teeth with recent changes patrolling!

Good day! Long story short, how would you revert purely non-English text additions? I don't exactly want to call it vandalism, but you know what I mean I think. Thank you for your time! EventuallyHere (talk) 16:20, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Just click the "undo" button and you're good! Be sure to leave a message about addition of non-english content on the user's talk page. Thanks --Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 16:22, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Will do! Do you need to do this for every revision or undo? I undid some spam and vandalism earlier from IPs, but do you need to notify them? If so, does it matter how? Thank you for answering my question, I hope you don't mind my thanks includes more questions! EventuallyHere (talk) 16:25, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

EventuallyHere, Yes, you need to give them a warning, You can also use Twinkle to make things easier, it does it all for you! A full list of warnings can be found here --Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 16:27, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

NDTV

This is very nice of NDTV that phone numbers of persons in crisis is being displayed. I am sorry to write to you in desperation. I tried to note down numbers to help them but to my utter frustration, couldn't do it because either the numbers are moving very fast, are superimposed by adds or news. Ask your monitors to check what i say. 'My request is to display it properly and give some time so that people can note them down otherwise its no point in showing them' 106.215.124.136 (talk) 17:08, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello IP editor, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. We have articles about notable topics, but we are in no way in contact with them, or represent any of them. You might find their contact address using google. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 17:58, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Typo on Steve Mnuchin's page

Hi, there is a typo on Steven Mnuchin's page, but I cannot change it because it is in the introductory section. "in regards to regulatory policy..." Should be in regard to regulatory policy. Is there any way this can be changed, please? 72.12.75.63 (talk) 17:09, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello IP editor, you can change it if you hit the edit button at the very top of the page which will open the whole page for editing. There is also an option in preferences to make available section editing button for the lead as with other sections, but that is likely only for logged in editors. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 17:53, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Question about Portrait Photograph

I am working on a biography of a living person and the subject of that article has sent and given me permission to upload a portrait photo. Having permission to upload the photo, am I also considered to be the "owner". And what, if any, consideration needs to be given to the photographer? Daseinundzeit (talk) 19:09, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Daseinundzeit, and welcome to the Teahouse. Neither you, nor (probably) the subject owns the copyright. Unless the photo was made under a contract that says otherwise, the copyright belongs to the photographer; if there was a contract, it may have assigned the right to the subject, or to a third party (such as an agency). The only person who can license that picture for use in Wikipedia is the copyright holder; and it is not enough that they give permission to use it in Wikipedia: they must release it under a suitable licence such as CC-BY-SA (which will allow anybody to reuse it for any purpose). They must do this either publicly (eg on a website where it is published) or directly to the OTRS team in Wikipedia: see donating copyright materials. --ColinFine (talk) 19:28, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Biographic Articles

I am looking for a specialist in Biographic Articles in order to publish my own professional history. Who do you recommend? NelsonGailH (talk) 20:00, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

NelsonGailH Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that you have a common misconception about Wikipedia in that it is not a place for publishing professional histories or otherwise telling the world about ourselves. This is an encyclopedia, where persons must be shown with significant coverage in independent reliable sources to meet Wikipedia's special definition of a notable person. Wikipedia is not interested in what someone wants to say about themselves or what they consider to be their own history; Wikipedia only summarizes what independent sources state. Any article about you would not be yours to control; you could not prevent others from editing it or keep it on the text that you might prefer. If you just want to tell the world about yourself, you should use social media like LinkedIn or Facebook. Please read the autobiography policy for more information. 331dot (talk) 20:05, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

331dot beat me to it before I could save my response and summarized it far better than I could. I would also add that a good rule of thumb, especially when it comes to conflict-of-interest editing, is that if a topic is notable enough to warrant inclusion in the encyclopedia, then more often than not, another editor would take interest in it and have created/edited the article already. OhKayeSierra (talk) 20:09, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Deleting a draft I'm not longer interested in working on

Hello wikipedians please I need an help with deleting a draft I'm not longer interested in working on. Please how do I go about this. Thanks and God bless Samirexz arts (talk) 20:29, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Samirexz arts What is the draft? 331dot (talk) 20:37, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

@Samirexz arts: If you are the only editor of the draft, you may tag it with {{Db-author}} and an admin will delete it. RudolfRed (talk) 20:39, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Lucien Thévet page

I've now removed the direct external links from the body of the text and consigned them to the footnote section. But I'm not sure why there is the comment [edit source] next to the Discography, Pedagogical Works, and Notes and references section. If there is some problem with the formatting, it would be helpful to know specifically what that is. Thanks! Corniste6367 (talk) 20:35, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy: Draft:Lucien Thévet. David notMD (talk) 22:53, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

@Corniste6367: That's not an indication of something wrong – it's just a link to edit that section (as opposed to the entire article). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 03:54, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Indeed. The "edit source" links allow other editors to make improvements to the article. I've just made a couple of minor improvements myself. Maproom (talk) 08:54, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Previous page names

Where can I find the previous page names for any page? For example, I know the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic article wasn't called that in the beginning, it had a couple of names like 2019-20 Wuhan pneumonia outbreak, but I only know that from studying the topic from the beginning. How can someone look at the previous names of any article or page?

47.152.145.95 (talk) 20:42, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Put the current page name into Special:Log/move. ~~ Alex Noble/1-2/TRB 21:33, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Alex Noble, that's what I was going to say, but I tried that and it doesn't work. It looks as if special:log/move only accepts the original name of a move, and tell you about only moves from that exact name. So I can put "2019-2020 China pneumonia outbreak" in and it tells me it was moved to "2019–20 China pneumonia outbreak", but putting "2019–20 coronavirus pandemic" in gives nothing, because that page hasn't been moved to anything else. --ColinFine (talk) 21:39, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

@ColinFine: There are entries made in the page history, e.g., Special:Diff/934292955 edit summary says "UnitedStatesian moved page 2019-2020 China pneumonia outbreak to 2019–20 China pneumonia outbreak: move to consistent title". Most of it (except for the ": move to consistent title") is, I think, generated automatically by the move page, so you can search page history for "moved page". Of course, with pages like that with many thousands of edits, that can be slow. There's probably a more technical solution (like an API/database query). Somewhere, there's a somewhat user-friendly way of running those, with a library of common useful queries available. Maybe try asking at WP:VPT. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 21:36, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

New user

I am a new user that wants to help. How should I get started? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1st Username (talk • contribs) 20:59, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

1st Username, you might want to have a look at Wikipedia:Task Center, which lists useful tasks user can get involved in. ~~ Alex Noble/1-2/TRB 21:07, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Ok thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1st Username (talk • contribs) 21:10, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Article Rose Kirumira Namubiru

I have added links to the article Rose Kirumira Namubiru, tried to organise it but found it hard to source more concrete citations. I have resubmitted it. Any additions and corrections will be highly appreciated, thanks Alvinategyeka (talk) 22:32, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy: Draft:Rose Kirumira. David notMD (talk) 22:55, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

You have added hyperlinks in the text to various websites. This is wrong and will lead to your draft being declined again. Remove them. You are also continuing to neglect to capitalize the first letters of organizations and places. I copyedited the Lead, you should do the rest. David notMD (talk) 22:59, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Can you add biographical articles about famous people?

Can you add biographical articles about famous people?I heard that you can't write about yourself but what about famous people? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1st Username (talk • contribs) 22:59, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

You need to read Wikipedia's definition of notability, then you can read the advice at WP:Your first article. --David Biddulph (talk) 23:03, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

To quote 331dot - one of the volunteers here - "welcome to the Teahouse. I will caution you that creating a new Wikipedia article(not just a "page") is the absolute hardest task to perform on Wikipedia. It takes much time and practice. New users are much more successful at doing it when they first gain experience editing existing articles in areas that interest them, to get a feel for how Wikipedia works and what is expected of article content. I would recommend that you do this as well." David notMD (talk) 23:07, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

All right, so should I edit articles and fix typos and things like that for now? 1st Username (talk) 23:15, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Indeed! --David Biddulph (talk) 23:33, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

@1st Username: Yes, that is a good place to start. See WP:TYPO for hints on tips on how to get started. RudolfRed (talk) 23:38, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Finding reliable sources for the Canimals Page

I’m wanting to know were to find a reliable source for the page Canimals, It’s been really hard to find info on the show. Were can I find a reliable source on the show? If so, can I add it to the Wikipedia page? RheieWater2005 (talk) 00:08, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

See your talk....will talk more after the sock investigation.--Moxy 🍁 03:08, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Page for an Actor Declined

Notabilty, Actors

I wrote an article for a Thai actor named Mew Suppasit. It was just declined for failing the guidelines of "actor notability" according to wiki staff reviewers. I am confused as to why tho? The actor is quite famous in Thailand and throughout Asia. His drama has garnered an international fanbase, he recently reached 1M IG followers, acted in 4 dramas, several commercials, in-demand. So can someone please explain to me how that isn't significant? Is there something I am doing wrong? Thebriandez (talk) 01:34, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Thebriandez, did you read WP:NACTOR? Did you provide reliable sources that demonstrate that your subject pass those criteria? GirthSummit _(blether) 06:44, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

I just took a look at the draft. I think the problem is the sourcing - lots of TV schedules, no actual coverage of the subject himself. Can you find any reliable, independent sources that discuss him? GirthSummit _(blether) 06:50, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Yes, there are 2 articles (both in Thai and from the same source) talking about him. When I looked at a similar actor in his field on Wikipedia, they referenced similar articles. So is that not enough? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thebriandez (talk • contribs) 05:12, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

I have revised my draft, added more and in my opinion, better sources. I am hoping this will help get my article approved. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thebriandez (talk • contribs) 07:35, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

ugh... tip of my toung

this is probably not alowed here, but i am trying to recall the name of a wikisoftware - asumming its based on mediawiki. i can only remember 5 things about it 1. it was semi personal. you cold request a wiki 2.had a beehive like logo 3. looked build on metia wiki 4. might have sing in withwikipedia 5. probably open source any ideas? thanks 24.91.137.184 (talk) 02:53, 8 April 2020 (UTC) 24.91.137.184 (talk) 02:53, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Maybe these MediaWiki or WikiApiary. ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSA^talk 04:17, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Based on the logo, it sounds like you are after Miraheze ~~ Alex Noble/1-2/TRB 08:25, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Editing clarification

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 – Section header created by Tenryuu. --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 05:55, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, I need clarification with editing; i'm not sure if i understand what is expected of me.

Thank you, Peggy APSME.OKU (talk) 04:57, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

@APSME.OKU: Please create a new section when asking a new question. If you're looking for an interactive tutorial to using Wikipedia, why not try out WP:TWA? --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 05:55, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello APSME.OKU, welcome to Wikipedia! In a sentence, an editor is expected to improve the encyclopedia with each of their edits. The edit does not have to be perfect, it does not need to fix everything that might need fixing; the article should be better off with your edit than without, is all. This can mean something as simple as fixing a typo, or it could involve completely rewriting the whole article, or creating one anew, depending on the editor and their interests/mood (For you, it probably means whatever the professor has assigned you to do). Most of what's required of an editor is covered by common sense, that which isn't, you'll learn of one at a time, as someone else undoes one of your edits and leaves you a note explaining why it was not an improvement. There's tons of stuff (WP:PAG), which you can only be expected to learn as you go. The first mantras may well be, "be nice to others" and "be communicative"; the rest should follow naturally. That said, if you are feeling particularly diligent, it couldn't hurt to quickly skim through WP:V, WP:NOR and WP:NPOV before you start. Oh, and, extra care should be taken when writing about living people (WP:BLP), and, also, to not violate copyright laws (WP:COPYVIO). Think that covers the basics, Best wishes, Usedtobecool ☎️ 22:50, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Staffs in house for guiding newbies?

I met a newbie at User_talk:2001:8003:9008:1301:780A:CF5:F4B:EC87. Can someone who find it convenient to guide this new editor walkthrough Wikipedia on behalf of me? I may not have too much time to do so, that's why I come here to seek assistance. Thanks. Reciprocater (Talk) 05:05, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

@Reciprocater: If that user wants to create an account, they can ask to be adopted at WP:ADOPT, and they are always welcome to ask questions here or at the Help Desk. RudolfRed (talk) 15:39, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Using research in Wikipedia

I have been making Wikipedia submissions for over 10 years. In the past I was able to create articles for my small community. They are hard to support because we are very small but live in an area where there is deep history of the native Americans and along the main access to the west in Canada. Some of my submissions I have researched for hours upon hours and used the words from local people and natives. They are now being rejected because I cannot find enough online sources to support them. This is such a shame. A Killer can kill 2 people and will get a Wikipedia page, but real history is rejected and deleted because there is no online information about it. This was where I was coming to make the online information about it. I am very disappointed in the direction that Wikipedia has gone. I believe that research should be accepted before cites from news papers etc. How can I cite a historical place if there is no place to get cites from? Singlepole (talk) 05:23, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

@Singlepole: if you have carried out detailed research, then the answer is to get it published elsewhere, when it can be cited here. The principle that an encyclopedia is not a place to publish original research is a sound one, and won't be changed. (By the way, you wrote "online" several times above as though only online sources count. This is far from being true.) Peter coxhead (talk) 05:55, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Singlepole, welcome to the Teahouse. If you can provide reputable independent sources (online or offline) it will help get your draft approved. I'm not sure when Wikipedia's notability standards became stricter: any other hosts able to chime in? Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 05:59, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Singlepole, welcome. The way Wikipedia works is that we rely entirely on assessments done by others of a subject, in the form of reliable sources. This is how the wiki was built: anyone can edit it because you just need to be able to assess reliable sources. You do not need to be a subject matter expert. This is why we rely only on good published sources, and do not allow original research. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 06:15, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

how to edit and replace the dead links and make the changes

Hello, i am new to the Wikipedia, i want learn about editing and making changes in Wikipedia. Vishal.acquire (talk) 07:26, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Vishal.acquire, the first tip I'd give you is to read COI and WP:NOTPROMO. Your edits so far suggest that you are here to add links to your website. Please don't do that. GirthSummit _(blether) 07:51, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

no, i do not want to add my own links, i just want to learn how it works and how i can make the changes if any link shows 404 error or page does not exist — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vishal.acquire (talk • contribs) 08:00, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

I'll try to explain using one of your edits as an example. A reference in a Wikipedia article serves one purpose only: to verify the information in the article. The article Automation and the Future of Jobs describes a documentary film. One of the references is a dead link; the information that is verified by that reference is the time when the film was first broadcast on television. Here you changed that link so that it pointed to a website that has nothing to do with the documentary – the film is not mentioned on the website at all, so it follows that it doesn't verify the information about the broadcast. This is a form of reference spamming – the purpose of the edit was to add that particular link, not to verify the information in the article. Hope that makes sense. --bonadea contributions talk 08:15, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

To follow up on what I said above, Vishal.acquire, in this edit I changed the reference to one that works and verifies the information. If you are able to do that kind of update (and remember that the new link must be a reliable source), feel free to do so, but if you don't know any reliable source that can verify it, please leave it be. That an URL in a reference is dead does not hurt the encyclopedia, but if the URL is changed into one that is inappropriate, it does hurt, and it creates more work for other volunteers who have to fix that later. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 08:24, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

For context see [2]. -KH-1 (talk) 09:05, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello Bonadea, thank you for sharing and letting me clear my doubts. moreover, to make changes how i can suggest and propose edits to the editors ? thank you

Vishal.acquire Please remember to sign your posts, by typing four tildes, like this: ~~~~. You can request an edit using an edit request - follow the links for instructions. GirthSummit _(blether) 10:59, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Web archives - is there a guide  ?

I have seen in many articles that references are linked to web archives. I know nothing about this - ie what circumstances, why, how etc. Is there a guide of some kind that I can read to find out more about when and how to use web archiving ? Marshelec (talk) 08:31, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Marshelec, generally, any internet reference should have an archive done at the time of citing - see Help:Using the Wayback Machine for the details.

I think there is a bot that automatically archives new links added to Wikipedia additionally. ~~ Alex Noble/1-2/TRB 08:45, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Follow-up to Dears...Help Me Enhancing my article so that it can be approved and published....but first stay safe and stay home...Praying for all the world...

Your Feedback is highly appreciated as i am still new on Wiki

Dear Wiki Users, Kindly note that i want to create a page with title "yacht clubs in Lebanon" or "Oldest Yacht Club in Lebanon" and for this reason 2 draft were created one for Beirut yacht club : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Beirut_Yacht_Club and one for Lebanese yacht club: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Lebanese_Yacht_Club can you please check them and revert with your feedback in order to submit them for approval. much appreciated your kind feedback. Peace. Princesse Marissa (talk) 08:38, 8 April 2020 (UTC)Princesse Marissa

Hello, Princesse Marissa. If your goal is to create an encyclopaedia article about "yacht clubs in Lebanon" or "oldest yacht club in Lebanon", then I'nm afraid you are going about it the wrong way. You need to start by establising that that precise topic that you want to write an article about is notable in Wikipedia's sense. What reliable published sources have you found that talk at length about yacht clubs in Lebanon? If you have found some (several), then you can write an article about yacht clubs in Lebanon, and you do not need to create articles about individual clubs first. If you cannot find any such sources, then the subject is not notable, and you cannot write an acceptable article, irrespective of whether there are articles on individual clubs. And what you absolutely should not do is to create articles about the clubs, and then try to use the information about the individual clubs to create an article about the clubs in general: that would be original research.

My guess is that "yacht clubs in Lebanon" may well be a notable topic - there may be books, or significant articles about the subject. I would be very surprised if there were a book, or more than maybe one article in a magazine, on the topic of "the oldest yacht clubs in Lebanon", so I doubt if that topic is notable.

Looking at one of your individual articles, it does not appear to me that Draft:Beirut Yacht Club has any references that are both independent of the club, and substantial, so they do not establish notability. Please see WP:CSMN. --ColinFine (talk) 10:33, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Dear ColinFine (talk), Thank you very much for your reply and have checked WP:CSMN.

regarding Draft:Beirut Yacht Club it still lack references and i am working in that issue and i think it will take sometimes before finding the approved references.

for the other Draft Draft:Lebanese Yacht Clubcan you please just give your feedback in it?

my idea is to create category with the name: Yacht Club in Lebanon

and once articles are approved i.e. Draft:Lebanese Yacht Club i will list is in the Category.. am i on the right track? Peace. Princesse Marissa (talk) 10:52, 8 April 2020 (UTC)Princesse Marissa

Hello, Princesse Marissa. I don't understand your fixation with the category. Categories are a way to help people navigate Wikipedia, nothing more. It is high-quality articles which make the encyclopaedia. I am not going to look at the BYC draft right now - maybe later today. --ColinFine (talk) 11:24, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Dear ColinFine ColinFine (talk),

you are right, i am trying to provide strong sources for both articles to be high-quality and approved. may i kindly ask you to take a look when you have time to (Lebanese Yacht club) Draft, i need an expert opinion as i am still very new here and i am trying to learn and understand things ... the (Beirut Yacht Club) BYC article still needs some resources... wish you a very pleasant afternoon or maybe eve at yours. Princesse Marissa (talk) 11:44, 8 April 2020 (UTC)Princesse Marissa

How to insert draft articles for the main article when they're complete

I created an article about Merle Norman Cosmetics after I saw strangely there wasn't one [link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CTR117/Merle_Norman_Cosmetics ], and I can't figure out how to insert it to be the main article. CTR117 (talk) 09:47, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello CTR117! In WP-language, that's not an article, that's a draft.

However, in it's current form, it will not be accepted, you can't source it mainly to their own website. See WP:GNG, HELP:YFA and WP:NORG. Good luck! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:36, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Hello, CTR117, and welcome to the Teahouse. I have added a header to your draft which includes a "submit" button, to submit the draft for review. But as Theroadislong says in a comment, the draft has no chance of being accepted at present because it is based on what the company says, not what independent commentators say. Please see WP:CSMN. --ColinFine (talk) 10:42, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

I cleaned up the draft Draft:Merle Norman Cosmetics, but did not look to see if the remaining refs (the ones not to the company's own website) establish notability. Goal is quality (at least a few refs that are at-length content about the company) over quantity. David notMD (talk) 12:59, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Creating a biography

I need a help to create biography page. Lakshika rodrigo (talk) 11:48, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello Lakshika rodrigo. Writing a WP-article that is accepted is difficult, especially if you don't now much about the "rules" involved, but if your topic is WP:NOTABLE as WP defines it, it can be done. Start with reading Help:Your first article carefully. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:05, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Understanding if these are acceptable sources.

Hello there,

I recently had an article declined about a woman, who I think is phenomenal. Quick context, I learned about her work in class, heard her speak at an event, and after seeing so many articles on Google & wikipedia about her, thought she should have her own wikipedia page. I am excited to learn how to make this article better.

So, these are just a few of the sources I found about her that aren't directly from her company's website. I'm hoping you can help me understand which of these types of citations meet the secondary source criteria? Thank you for your help ^_^

Ripple, Inc

WilmerHale Wins Case Against Abortion

Stanford University Center for International Security and Cooperation

Interviews with Fox News, MSNBC, Bloomberg, etc

Aspen Institute appoints Anja Manuel as Director 2019crisissimus2 (talk) 14:52, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

2019crisissimus2, hi. All of these sources seem to be affiliated with the subject, and as such they are not ideal, and would not contribute towards Wikipedia's concept of notability. What you are looking for are sources which are reliable, which are independent of the subject, and which are secondary rather than primary. If you can find a few such sources that cover the subject in significant depth (not just a passing mention), then an article could be written. Good luck GirthSummit _(blether) 15:01, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Just to expand on that - she is a director of Ripple; she was on the WilmerHale litigation team that article is about; she is an 'affiliate' at Standford (which is why they have a biog about her); that's her own YouTube channel; she's a director at Aspen. They're all directly affiliated sources. What you need are entirely independent sources. GirthSummit _(blether) 15:04, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi, 2019crisissimus2. You might find common sourcing mistakes helpful. --ColinFine (talk) 18:38, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

rejected article

Hi, my article on Rena Dumas has been rejected for not having verifiable sources. These are the same sources that are fine in French ... what can I do? Thanks Pollymagoo (talk) 18:55, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

It was declined rather than rejected. What you need to do is to find and add reliable sources to demonstrate the notability of the subject. The French Wikipedia has its own standards, which are not relevant here on the English Wikipedia. --David Biddulph (talk) 19:01, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Help with getting published

Hello! I had recently tried to get an article published because it is part of a graded assignment for my english class. However, my request was rejected because it was marked "contrary to the use of Wikipedia" (or something along those lines, sorry) and was considered "an uncensored advertisment". The assignment is due today so I really need to get it published; I am willing to make the corrections needed in order to do so! Agwarnock (talk) 20:08, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Your tutor has given you an unreasonable task. Tell him/her to read Wikipedia:Student assignments. --David Biddulph (talk) 20:12, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

The same question was also answered at this page.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 21:26, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

and also here too. Theroadislong (talk) 21:31, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

That the company exists does not make it notable. David notMD (talk) 22:32, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

subject of a page is not supposed to be the author?

From what I understand, the subject of a page is not supposed to be the author. Is this correct? Tunesmth (talk) 20:51, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Tunesmth, that is correct, see WP:AUTO and WP:COI. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:11, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Visual Editor

May I know why was the Visual Editing option removed from Wikipedia please? AlAzhar 21:09, 8 April 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alazhars (talk • contribs)

Alazhars, afaict VE is still with us. Did you perhaps disable it in your own "Preferences" somehow? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:14, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

@Alazhars: We still have the Visual Editor; just uncheck the "Temporarily disable the visual editor while it is in beta" in Preferences → Editing → Editor. --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 21:39, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

I believe it is only available to editing articles, not for talk pages or anything else. What page are you trying to use it on? RudolfRed (talk) 01:27, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Question

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 – This header was created by Tenryuu. --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 21:39, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

how can i put an on wikipedia 41.210.145.65 (talk) 21:16, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

What is your question? --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 21:39, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

How to get a page published

I've finished editing my page and everything appears to be in good order. I clicked the publish button on the bottom of the edit page but am uncertain as to the current status. Can you help me to understand what is the next step. Bobw7165 (talk) 21:29, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Bobw7165 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please be aware that "Publish changes" should be interpreted to mean "Save changes". It does not mean "publish what you wrote to the encyclopedia". You have only saved what you wrote, you have not submitted it for a review yet. I will shortly add the appropriate information for you to do so, but if you were to submit it now, it would most likely be declined, as you offer no independent reliable sources with significant coverage to support its content. Wikipedia articles only summarize what independent reliable sources say about subjects that meet Wikipedia's special definition of notability(in this case, the definition of a notable academic, please review). Please read Your First Article for more information. 331dot (talk) 21:45, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

assistance requested

I submitted my first entry and it was rejected with the notation (ADV/BIO) which I understand to mean advertising and not notable biography. Please let me know if I am incorrect. If that is the case, and I understand notability is somewhat driven by independent news coverage of a subject, is it a lack of diverse citations that leads to this or is a wider search done by the reviewer? Any tips for improving the evidence of notability or do I simply make peace with the fact that this is more of a regional author/expert and give it up? Thanks for any thoughts. Whirly12 (talk) 21:37, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Whirly12, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that this is a common experience of new editors who plunge straight into the extremely difficult task of creating a new article before they have spent time learning how Wikipedia works by making small improvements to existing articles for a few months. Put simply: Wikipedia has little interest in what a subject says about themselves, or what their associates or institutions say about them; and absolutely no interest in how they would wish to be presented. A Wikipedia article should be a neutral (neither for nor against the subject, or any source) summary of what several people who have no connection whatever with the subject have chosen to publish about them (and been published by reputable publishers). If you can find at least three such sources, you can write an article based almost 100% on what those sources say. If you cannot, then the subject fails to meet Wikipedia's criteria of notability, and no article on them will be accepted, however it it written. I haven't looked at your sources, but from their titles and origins it does not look as if a single one of them is independent of Mona. Since you have no independent sources, it is unsurprising that the text of the draft is not neutral, but struck the reviewer as advertising. Please read your first article, and WP:CSMN.

One more point: when a new editor goes straight into creating an article about a person or an organisation, it is very often the case that they have some connection to that subject. If you are connected with Mona, please familiarise yourself with the advice on editing with a conflict of interest. Further, if you are in any way employed or paid by him, please also read about paid editing, and make the mandatory declarations. --ColinFine (talk) 22:17, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy: Draft is Draft:David L. Mona. David notMD (talk) 22:34, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Whirly12, As a note: you should have gotten a longer explanatory message than that, but your reviewer accidentally typed their feedback in the wrong box, so it didn't create the right templates. Hope that explains the short review. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 22:39, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

got it, thanks. Understandable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Whirly12 (talk • contribs) 22:41, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Whirly12 - I made some edits to merge the refs and correct the syntax, but the article is going to need to be rewritten to be less promotional, including removing way too specific biographical items. In addition, there will need to be better sourcing. Please read the basic notability criteria for biographies of living people at Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 22:46, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Vampire Balls?

I am interested in writing an article on the Vampire Ball of Los Angeles. There appear to be adequate sources which discuss the subject in depth, but it turns out there are actually several events around the country themed "vampire ball", and I don't want the LA event to be confused with them. Neither, however, do I want to write 10 articles on vampire balls! Since there are currently no articles called "Vampire Ball", should I just create the LA one under that title and wait for others to disambiguate it from that one if/ when articles on the other balls are written? Or should I call it Vampire Ball (Los Angeles)" even though there are no other articles called "Vampire Ball" yet? A loose necktie (talk) 22:02, 8 April 2020 (UTC) A loose necktie (talk) 22:02, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

@A loose necktie: - you can call it Vampire Ball since you are the first, but I think you're going to have a hard time demonstrating notability with media coverage. It's not even the first Vampire Ball that shows up on Wikipedia. I could only find this from the defunct LA Weekly. [3]. I was going to suggest dding it to the LA Globe article, but that was just a draft that was abandoned. You could request a WP:REFUND of the draft content and go from there, with this info to be added [4] [5] [6]. Good luck. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 22:20, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

When did the LA Weekly become defunct?? They were still publishing articles as of this morning! A loose necktie (talk) 23:44, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

You're right - I knew the OC Weekly was shut down and thought it was the same company. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 00:40, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Why did my page get rejected?

Why did my page get rejected? I wrote a biography about myself under Bennettheyn/sandbox. Here is what I wrote. (redacted) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bennettheyn (talk • contribs) 22:49, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Bennettheyn Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Your draft was deleted as a blatant advertisement for both you and your company. Please understand that Wikipedia is not a place for people to tell about themselves. Wikipedia only summarizes what independent reliable sources state about article subjects that meet Wikipedia's special definition of notability. Please read the autobiography policy to learn more about why writing about yourself on Wikipedia is not advisable, and you should also review conflict of interest.

I removed your draft from here as this is not the place for it. I can see it as an administrator even though it was deleted. 331dot (talk) 22:52, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

need 2nd perspective isnt this a run-on sentence

am i wrong that this is a run-on sentence? maybe im wrong about the term, but this sentence seems convoluted.

It is based on the DC Comics character Batwoman, a costumed crime-fighter created by Geoff Johns, Grant Morrison, Greg Rucka, Mark Waid, and Keith Giffen, and is set in the Arrowverse, sharing continuity with the other television series of the universe.

Any suggestions on how to improve? ToeFungii (talk) 23:58, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

@ToeFungii: It's a bit long. You could just change it to:

It is based on the DC Comics character Batwoman, a costumed crime-fighter created by Geoff Johns, Grant Morrison, Greg Rucka, Mark Waid, and Keith Giffen. It is set in the Arrowverse, sharing continuity with the other television series of the universe.

TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 00:37, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Now if i can ask a follow-up.ive noticed a lot of wiki has long sentences which i understand because people add info but sometimes dont think about readability. problem is i tried to change the sentence and another user reversed me saying its not a runon sentence (ive looked up runon sent and id say this is just an overly long sent as Tim said.been long time since english class). ive seen a lot of contentiousness on pages with some users acting as stone. i dont want to just make another change because im certain this user will likely simply undo it again, so what is one to do with an obvious problem but faces a user that feels status quo is right? as am fyi the page is Batwoman TV series.ToeFungii (talk) 00:44, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

@ToeFungii: I'd say if you think it sounds better and change it, and someone reverts it, don't sweat it and move on - there's plenty more that needs to be fixed. This type of runon is borderline acceptable. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 02:43, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Should "Plantscape" be an AfD?

Hi, I'm pretty new and was looking to de-orphan articles and came across Plantscape which, upon further inspection, might be a valid candidate for deletion. All of its seven citations are dead, and I could find few mentions of it of much substance outside its own website. I think it might have been made as a way to add prestige to a brand, though it is a neutral article now. A second opinion and some advice would be appreciated. Trevey-On-Sea (talk) 23:58, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I entirely agree.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 00:24, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

@Trevey-On-Sea: Plantscape is another term for interior landscape, which is notable per [[7]] and [[8]]. I'd just rewrite this article to be about interior landscaping, keep the title as plantscape, and not even bother with the AfD. Stub it if you don't want to put too much time into it. If anyone protests who doesn't have a COI, then you can AfD it. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 00:35, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

@Timtempleton: I'm start a draft of "Interior Landscaping" but Plantscape just seems like such a specific word, more used in company names than in general parlance. I suppose General parLance must be a cavalry officer. Trevey-On-Sea (talk) 00:58, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

@Trevey-On-Sea: You could then turn plantscaping into a redirect to an interior landscaping article. I thought about adding interior landscaping as part of landscaping, but the landscaping article says it's outside only and that seemed to be a hill not worth dying on, whether we controlled General Parlance's or General Parking's armies. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 02:36, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

@Timtempleton: I wasn't sure if Interior Landscaping was actually important enough for a page so I left a question about adding a section on interior landscaping to interior design's talk page, I'll add it there if no one pops up with a better idea, here or there. Let us hope for a peaceful end to the Grammar-Municipal government conflict. Trevey-On-Sea (talk) 02:56, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Why did I get reverted?

I was asked by Yebba's management to make updates to her Wikipedia page because there were clear errors and inconsistencies. I spent hours making changes only to then have the whole thing reverted to its original state. The only message I received was that the edits were not constructive. How can I ensure that my changes will be saved since they were approved by the actual artist management? Davidjr25 (talk) 01:04, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

I'm adding this Yebba (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) for those looking into this. MarnetteD|Talk 01:08, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

@Davidjr25: Information needs to come from published, reliable sources. Management approval does not play into it. Please read and follow the required disclosures at WP:COI and WP:PAID. After that, you can post suggestions on how to improve the article at the article's talk page. RudolfRed (talk) 01:26, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi Davidjr25. I've added a welcome message to your user talk page that contains (blue) links to various pages that you might find helpful. Please take the time to look at them and familiarize yourself with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines because it will help you avoid running into problems when you edit. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:36, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Who does not have COI?

Hi folks, I've read the COI pages, but need more guidance. I publish software packages. One of my packages is the subject of 3 books (2 published by Springer) and is often mentioned in papers published in professional Journals in the Medical and Educational fields. It has thousands of licensees and the freeware version has hundreds of thousands of downloads. I am often asked about it, so a Wikipedia page would be helpful. But who can write it? Me? One of the book authors? One of the paper authors? A licensed user? A freeware user? A knowledgeable competitor? I welcome your guidance. Thank you. Winsteps (talk) 02:02, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the teahouse User:Winsteps! I am assuming this is medical in nature because of what's said above. Best review Wikipedia:Conflicts of interest (medicine) and then bring a more detailed explanation on the content and your involvement at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Medicine. WikiProject Medicine can't help determine is notability status and help find secondary sources and give guidance.--Moxy 🍁 02:37, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Dates in references when you use a web archive

I have begun using a web archive to ensure that references I quote remain accessible. However, I am unsure about whether it is important to retain the accessdate parameter, as well as the archive-date parameter. Once you archive a web reference and give the archive-date, is the accessdate now irrelevant ? Here is an example I am working on: "National performance review - Residential water efficiency". Water New Zealand. Archived from the original on 9 Apr 2020. Retrieved 9 Apr 2020. Marshelec (talk) 03:24, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Marshelec, I would personally opt to retain the access date, as a page may be archived multiple times, so its good to note when you accessed the version so that someone searching the Wayback machine can find that exact version. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 09:17, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

references are linked to Sources on Johanna Alida Coetzee, is this method should be untouched ?

its kind of confusing to me to find links on same page. however, we have multiple ways to provide references. here author using {{sfn|Scott|2007|p=2}}.

my query : is this method correct ? or it can be improved ? Leela52452 (talk) 07:55, 9 April 2020 (UTC) suggestion or critique is preferred here

Short citations are perfectly acceptable under Wikipedia's citation guidelines. Generally speaking, you need a very good reason for changing a valid style of referencing if it has already been introduced by the article's creator; here, my advice would be to leave well alone. Yunshui ^雲_水 10:21, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

The use of shortened footnotes is one of the permitted citation styles. WP:CITEVAR says not to change an article from one style to another if the style is consistent in the article. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:18, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

New Desginer PAge

"I want to create a designer brand page. How can I do it without it sounding like a promotional page? Lavanya Venky (talk) 09:01, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Lavanya Venky, For starters, are you in any way associated with the subject? If so, you ought declare a conflict of interest. If you are being paid by the subject, are an employee of them, or have been compensated in any way for your edits, you must disclose that by following the steps at WP:PAID. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 09:14, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

I just want to write pages on Fashion Designers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lavanya Venky (talk • contribs) 09:24, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Lavanya Venky, Everything on Wikipedia must be written from a neutral point of view. I only briefly glanced at the page before it got deleted, but it was not written with formal encyclopedic tone and language. Avoid buzzwords, and language that puffs up the subject. Remember that we are an encyclopedia: we must present our subjects neutrally, and from an...almost uninterested position. We transfer knowledge about a subject, such as when it was created, not where you can buy their stuff and how much it costs. Additionally, your article was not appropriately sourced. Our articles need to be supported by reliable sources, cited inline. Again, since I can't see the deleted article, I can't give much more specific guidance at this time, unless you have particular questions. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 10:09, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Lavanya Venky. I think you can get a big start to getting the tone right by not framing it as "a designer brand page" but as "an encyclopaedia article about this brand". --ColinFine (talk) 10:33, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Police Constable John Woodcock, Northumberland County Constabulary. Interred Ponteland Cemetary. 1868.

92.23.114.59 (talk) 09:36, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Howdy hello, and welcome to the Teahouse! Do you have a specific question regarding this feller? If you want to make an article on them, you can use the WP:Article Wizard to draft one. You'll need to find some reliable sources that discuss their life. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 10:15, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Connie Glynn

Someone changed her birthplace to "Hatfield" - Herfortshire stood there first. I cannot confirm this change - and i don't know what to do... leave it like this or undo or??? Maybe you find better sources than me to confirm this? I'm excusing myself already if this is a very stupid question! Kind regards, Gyanda (talk) 12:07, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello Gyanda! I took that out, since it was unsourced and in a WP:BLP. If someone want to add it again, they should find a WP-acceptable ref first. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:58, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you so much! I translated the page for the german wikipedia and therefore i wasn't sure whether to also update the german site or not. Am happy with you! Thank you and stay safe! --Gyanda (talk) 12:59, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Help

23.176.32.1 (talk) 12:37, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

My name is Shelby Kloberdanz and somebody is hacking my account please call the MCPD at 641-424-3636

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. We can't help with these kind of questions. This forum is for questions regarding using and editing Wikipedia. Interstellarity (talk) 12:49, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Editing feedback

Hi, I am new to Wikipedia. I have copyedited a few articles from the backlog page, some in parts and others in full. Do I need to inform a senior editor so that they can double-check and removed the 'Need copyediting' tag from some of these pages? How does it work? The articles are as follows: 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_downtime_manufacturing 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_information_on_the_Internet 3. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO%2FIEC_27005 4. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gurdwara_Gobind_Ghat 5. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameraman_Gangatho_Rambabu 6. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copula_%28probability_theory%29 Thank you Earthianyogi (talk) 13:38, 9 April 2020 (UTC) 6.

Hello Earthianyogi! If you feel that you have dealt with the problem so the template is no longer necessary, you can remove it. If someone disagrees, they can reinsert it/talk to you about it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:58, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Gråbergs Gråa Sång Thank you Earthianyogi (talk) 14:18, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

(Adding this anyway because I'd typed it in already, working off an older revision) Earthianyogi, if the tag accompanied a talk page note elaborating on why it was tagged, you'd best discuss it with the tagging editor first, to make sure that they too are satisfied that issues are now resolved. If not, it's like any other editing. If you think the tag doesn't apply (or doesn't apply anymore), you can remove it. There are some tags you should not remove simply because you disagree with the tagging, such as a "connected contributor" tag on an article you have considerably edited, speedy deletion tag on a page you created, etc. Copyediting tag is not one of those. On an unrelated note, Wikipedia articles can and should be linked within site as wikilinks by putting the title between a pair of large brackets, like so: [[Zero downtime manufacturing]]. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 14:22, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Usedtobecool Thank you Earthianyogi (talk) 16:46, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Question

Hi, this is Shadowblade08 again. I had a quick question. (at least I hope its quick)

Is it possible for me to close a topic on my discussion page? I've seen this on article talk pages. I currently don't have anything that I want to close, but is it possible for me to do it? Thanks. Shadowblade08 (talk) 13:57, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Shadowblade08, yes, you can. Usually, only editors whose talk page it is, close discussions on them; usually because the conversation is not going anywhere productive. The how of it is explained at WP:Closing. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 14:20, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

A more simple process for your own Talk page is to either delete content or archive it. You have already been deleting. David notMD (talk) 16:53, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Having looked at your >100 edits to date since registering an account on 29 March, so far you have done nothing to contribute to the encyclopedia process, i.e, you have edited no articles. You have repeatedly asked questions at Teahouse and you have started discussions on editors' Talk pages. If you continue this pattern you may be blocked for not being here to help with the encyclopedia. David notMD (talk) 16:53, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

I apologize for that all being harsh. I can understand wanting Wikipedia to be like friendly chat. But its not. David notMD (talk) 21:33, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

How to undo more than one edit?

The last two revisions of Noakhali riots (by the same IP address) look like they might be vandalism. How do I undo these two edits and bring the page back to the previous version?

Thanks for any help, Coldspur (talk) 14:08, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Coldspur, In the history page, when you click the radio button on the revision you want to restore the page to, all subsequent revisions will appear with two radio buttons. Hitting the right one in any of the latter revisions, and clicking "Compare selected revisions", you can open a diff. You should find a "Restore to this version" option at the top of the left column. I am not sure it's certainly a vandalism; please leave an edit summary explaining the revert when you do. More, including alternative ways, at H:RV. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 14:40, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Usedtobecool, [restore this version] is visible only to users who have installed Twinkle after qualifying for it. Can you please ascertain this. I verified this on sandbox. Undo appears to be the only possible way to do that in 2 separate edits. --Cedix (talk) 15:04, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

There is a way to do it with a single Undo, though – after clicking the round button by the revision you want to return to, hit "Compare selected revisions", and then just click "Undo". I sometimes do that if I want to leave a longer edit summary than the one automatically provided by Twinkle. --bonadea contributions talk 15:22, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Cedix, yes, seems that's true. So, Coldspur, you'd need to use "Undo" as Bonadea suggests below, until you can get Twinkle. The undo procedure is also explained at WP:UNDO, part of the help page I linked earlier. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 15:58, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Is it possible to hire someone to edit my page so that it conforms to requirements and can be published?

Is it possible to hire someone to edit my page so that it conforms to requirements and can be published? Alt4960 (talk) 15:30, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Alt4960, by doing so, you'd be forcing that person to follow Wikipedia's WP:PAID guidelines, which means they'd be discouraged from editing the article themselves. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 15:44, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Alt4960 Note that it is not "your page", but an article about you . We cannot stop you from hiring someone, but they would be required to declare that you are paying them. Please understand that Wikipedia is not interested in what someone wants to say about themselves (either directly or through a representative). Wikipedia only summarizes what independent reliable sources with significant coverage say about subjects that meet Wikipedia's special definition of notability. If you just want to tell the world about yourself, you should use social media or other forum where that is permitted.

I will add that a Wikipedia article is not necessarily desirable. There are good reasons to not want one. 331dot (talk) 15:57, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Submit a draft article

I realized that a product that can be found across the globe and that a few of us have dedicated our lives has no entry in the encyclopedia. So since we are confined to our homes, I thought to spend time to author one. How do I get my Draft:JNIOR article considered for release? What is my next step?

Bruce Bscloutier (talk) 16:05, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

@Bscloutier: welcome to Wikipedia and thanks for wanting to add to it. add {{subst:submit}} at the top when you are ready, and the draft will be added to the drafts awaiting review. Note that there is quite some backlog so after submitting, you will need to be patient. RudolfRed (talk) 16:15, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

But, Bscloutier, and welcome to the Teahouse. I second RudolfRed's acknowlegment to you, but I'm afraid that the answer might be "start again" (though it might not). Unfortunately, you have done what most new editors do when they have the idea of creating an article: write from what they know. Creating a new article is very difficult, and I always advise new editors to get some experience of how Wikipedia works before they try it. Wikipedia articles are not based on what you know (or I know, or any random person on the internet knows); and they aren't based on what the subject or people closely associated with the subject say about it: they are based, almost 100%, on what people who have no connection with the subject have chosen to publish about the subject. So writing an article starts with identifying reliably published sources wholly unconnected with the subject. Please have a look at your first article. --ColinFine (talk) 16:26, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Bscloutier I looked at the draft for Jnior, and while it is well written it is 95% original research. As ColinFine mentions above, we do not publish what we know. Rather, we publish a kind of summary of what we have found in reliable sources. I looked for reliable sources for Jnior, but could not find enough to establish notability. My opinion is that it is not notable enough to be included on Wikipedia. If you can find five or six newspaper or magazine article that talk abotu it in depth, then it might be a different story.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 17:47, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

@ThatMontrealIP: There are no articles as there is no press. We don't even employ a salesman or someone for marketing. Yet, there are 15+ years of this item in over 55 countries in use in 1/3rd of all movie screens for example. That is not to mention all of the other places it shows up. All of this from a company of 4 or 5 people. It is both insignificant and critical at the same time. No one writes about it. They just use it and rely upon it. So the topic has to start someplace. There is some evidence of it but presenting those references would more appropriate in a sales piece. I hope that with this Draft:JNIOR article just to document that it exists and what it is. Especially since I am uncertain whether or not we will survive this pandemic. Bscloutier (talk) 18:48, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

@Bscloutier: in that case, since we rely on articles published in the news, magazines or books, the subject would not be notable. Sorry, but that is the way we have built this encyclopedia. Arduino is a good comparator here: since there are hundreds of published articles about it, we have an article for it. Finally, you also appear to have a strong conflict of interest. Anyone involved with the subject should not be writing articles about it. That is how we maintain the neutrality of the encyclopedia. Thanks.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 18:53, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Links!

I have edited a page with a new link. My link is black, not blue like the other links. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odonis_Odonis Reference #8 Can someone please tell me what I've done wrong? This is my 1st Wiki edit ever. Thank you OGSepterhed (talk) 17:20, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, OGSepterhed. As far as I can see, you have done nothing wrong, and the link is working, but you may be confusing two different kinds of link.

Where you see one or more words in blue, they are "Wikilinks" – that is, they are links to an article elsewhere in Wikipedia: this may be an article with the exact same title as the blue word(s), or the title may be something different (because of grammar or synonyms), but relevant.

What you have created, correctly, is a citation of a numbered reference linked to a site external to Wikipedia. The citation (in blue) appears as a superscript 8 in square brackets immediately after the full stop following the album name you wanted to link. If you click that blue "[8]", it will take you down to #8 in the References list at the bottom of the article. The text of that reference comprises an URL which you have linked, so that clicking on it takes you to the actual site you have used as the reference source.

Please note that I am not making a judgement as to whether or not that site – the page for the album on Bandcamp – is acceptable as a Wikipedia reference. I will leave that to editors more experienced in this field. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.197.27.39 (talk) 18:47, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you

Newbie - How best to respond to comments?

I have responses to my first question. What is the accepted procedure for replying to those? The same for a comment appearing on my article? Clicking on the (talk) link associated with the comment's author does not take me to a consistent form or entry point for a response. If it does where does that response show up? I can edit to add a response but then am I responsible for my own date and time? Is there a wizard or something? Searching the help... seems just to get me further and further away from an answer. Bscloutier (talk) 17:27, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

@Bscloutier: the standard way to reply on a talk page is to make a post as you did above, but you would add an indenting colon ":". Click edit and you can see the wikicode for my reply. For the date and signature, you just need four tildes like this: ~~~~. A reply is the same as what you wrote above, but it is usually indented. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 17:43, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

@ThatMontrealIP: Thank you! This is helpful. Is there a shortcut for this {{reply-to:someone}} block? This is not as simple as an email reply. Another issue that I have is that my email comes in on a different system. My attempt at a reply there using the link in the email shows only that IP address. I need to login there but where do I go to change my password as I used the cryptic thing first offered to me? I don't let Chrome shuffle around my credentials. If I click on my username I just get an opportunity to create my page. Bscloutier (talk) 18:20, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Bscloutier, you can use {{Re}} as a shortcut. The software will still recognise it as {{reply-to}}. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 19:01, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Bscloutier, you might be intrested in the reply link script. The details are at User:Enterprisey/reply-link.

It can be installed by placing importScript( 'User:Enterprisey/reply-link.js' ); // Backlink: User:Enterprisey/reply-link.js on Special:MyPage/common.js.

It places a link to reply after every comment, and then handles indentation and formatting for you, so you just write in the content. ~~ Alex Noble/1-2/TRB 19:12, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

I second this as I also use it for replying to a lot of talk page discussions. Just be aware there are times where this script fails to submit your reply and that you may need to go into the actual editing window to post a reply. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 22:04, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Bscloutier, you can change your password without leaving Wikipedia. Pick "Preferences" at the top of any page when you are logged in and you'll see the option there. --ColinFine (talk) 19:13, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Question about referencing

I am writing an article about a scientist who has published many highly cited papers. He is among the pioneers in several disciplines, which is reflected in many citations to those papers. The reviewers are asking to prove his notability by references. My problem is that I do not know which references would prove it. What sort of references or links are appropriate to show that a subject has highly cited papers? From the other articles on Wikipedia I can see that links to Web of Science or Scopus are not provided. I inserted some references in which Matej Pavsic is cited, but the reviewers say that causal mentions are not sufficient. This is not the case with mentioning of Pavsic. Especially in a paper published last year by a famous physicist in Physical Review D extensively describes two papers by Pavsic, which are important and gaining more and more citations. In addition, his book The Landscape of Theoretical Physics has many citations, as well as the paper External Inversion, Internal Inversion and Reflection Invariance that has more than hundred pure citations. He is among the members of the International Advisory Board for the series of conferences on Clifford algebras, and is in the Standing Committee of IARD conference series. So again my question. I need a concrete example of referencing that show many citations. Terazij (talk) 17:30, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Terazij, although producing highly cited papers is a good guideline for the kind of people that would be considered notable, what we need in the article is coverage about the person; our article is about the person, not about the subject of the person's research, so the sources should be about the person.

Someone could have done lots of influential work, but if there isn't any information about them out there, there aren't any sources for us to base an article of, so we can't have an article. ~~ Alex Noble/1-2/TRB 19:09, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

I'm not very familiar with this area, Terazij, but it seems to me that your subject may satisfy section 1 of WP:NACADEMICS. It is up to you to demonstrate that he does, though. --ColinFine (talk) 19:16, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

At a simple level, it's not what he has written, but what people have written about him that conveys notability. David notMD (talk) 21:46, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Deletion proposal

An IP user with zero other contributions deleted my Proposed For Deletion tag on the “Little Dogs on the Prairie” article without providing a reason why it should be kept. Could I undo their edit or do I have to go through the formal deletion process? Dronebogus (talk)

Dronebogus: although users are strongly recommended to provide a reason when removing a prod tag, this is not a requirement. Unless the tag was removed by a banned or block evading user, the page is considered deproded, however poor (or non existent) the reasoning.

Hence, to progress with deletion, it should go to AFD.

~~ Alex Noble/1-2/TRB 19:05, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Article for filmmaker declined

Hi there,

I submitted a draft today for an article and filmmaker which was declined. I was wondering if you could give me some specific tips to make this article wiki-worthy?

This is the feedback I received: This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia. USHistorian1867 (talk) 18:09, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

@USHistorian1867: Hello and welcome. I would say the advice in the feedback above is correct: include more reliable sources. For example, the early life section on Draft:Jordan Shanks has no references. What we look for is in-depth coverage of the subject in independent publications. More of those is what is needed. Trivial coverage (event announcements, name checks etc) do not help with determining if a subject is notable enough to have an article.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 18:43, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swaraj_Abhiyan

Swaraj Abhiyan is not a political party and is not synonymous with Swaraj India, which is a registered political party in India. Swaraj Abhiyan is a socio political forum for social work (like an NGO) and a sister organisation of Swaraj India. Now Swaraj India redirects to Swaraj Abhiyan. I thought Swaraj India has grown significantly in the past few years and deserves its own page. Can a draft for Swaraj India be created? Davidindia (talk) 18:23, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

@Davidindia: welcome to Wikipedia and thanks for wanting to make it better. For suggestions on existing articles, start a discussion on that article's talk page. To start a draft of a new article, follow the guidance at WP:YFA and there is a wizard there to help you create your draft for review. RudolfRed (talk) 18:26, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

A vandal undid my editing twice and pretend to forbid me to correct his errors - French schooner Belle Poule

User "Llammakey" stated in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_schooner_Belle_Poule that "The vessel was constructed in 1932 as a replica of a cod fishing vessel used off Iceland for the French merchant marine school". It is obviously wrong. This boat was ordered for the french naval school ("Ecole Navale") and not for the merchant marine school.I corrected this twice and this guy nndid my edition twice. This kind of vandalizing is unacceptable. I asked him to restore my text.

cf https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Llammakey

There is an official description of this boat on french navy official website at:

they clearly state (in french) that "L'Étoile à été mise en service le 20 novembre 1932 et la Belle-Poule le 20 juillet 1932". Which means in english that Belle-Poule was commissioned into the French Navy (Ecole Navale) the day it was delivered that is the 20th of July 1932. No way it could have been ever commissioned by french merchant navy.

Plus, this boat is somewhat different from french fishing schooners, its hull lines are much narrower and designed for higher speed. It could be qualified as a sail training vessel inspired by XIXth century Dunkerque's sailing schooner which mostly operated off Newfoudland and not off Island.

I know this boat for ages having first visited it #45 years ago. My grand-grand-father also knew this boat quite well in the 30' 78.194.143.124 (talk) 18:40, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello and welcome! I am pretty sure that Llammakey, with over 80,000 edits to their credit, is not a vandal. If you are having a dispute about content (which needs to be verifiable through published sources, by the way), post a message about it on the talk page of the article.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 18:47, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Ah, the English language, ever a fickle creature. 78.194.143.124, the prepositional phrase for the merchant marine school modifies the noun phrase a cod fishing vessel, not The vessel [Belle Poule]. The article text does not contradict the official information from the French Navy. Stay well, Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 21:17, 9 April 2020 (UTC) and reworded 21:28, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

I agree with Rotideypoc41352. However, the sentence could be more clear that the Belle was not constructed for the merchant marine school if the words "that was" are added after the word "vessel." David notMD (talk) 21:55, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

No, Rotideypoc41352 is wrong, whatever the prepositional phrase for the merchant marine school modifies, he is plain wrong, this schooner was not built for the french merchant navy school and is obviously not "a replica of a cod fishing vessel used off Iceland by the French merchant marine school". Because 1) no cod fishing vessel where ever built for the French merchant marine school, and, 2) The Belle-Poule is not a replica of of a cod fishing vessel used off Iceland. It is a very much altered and reinterpreted adaptation of fishing schooners used off Newfoudland, with much sleeker water-lines. So this text is rubbish and "Llammakey" and "Rotideypoc41352" don't know what they are talking about.

Plus "Llammakey" undid my editing twice without asking anything, insulted me, treating me of "vandal", and menaced me of forbidding me access to Wikipedia editing if I persisted to correct his errors, and nobody seems to have read my comments on the talk page of the article. I am shocked by his incorrect behavior and by his refusal to let people who know something about boat correct his mistakes.

Hello IP editor. The proper place to discuss this routine content dispute is Talk:French schooner Belle Poule, where no one has commented since 2011. You have not posted there. Calling a good faith editor a "vandal" is unacceptable behavior on your part, and calling their efforts "rubbish" is not a very good first step in reaching consensus for whatever changes that the article needs. Please try a more collaborative attitude. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 23:01, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

I first commented my addition to this article with this text : " l'Etoile and la Belle Poule were built in 1932 for the French Navy (Ecole Navale..) at the request off Admiral Durand-Viel then chief of staff, who attended Ecole Navale in 1892 and had been part of the last round-the-world cruise of sail-frigate "Iphigénie" (in "View History"), then "Llammakey" undid all my work saying I had "Vandalized his article", after that, I corrected once more his error about who had this boat built in 1932, with following comments ("View History") " are just plainly wrong l'Etoile and la Belle Poule were built in 1932 for the French Navy and not for the merchant marine. Please stop vandalizing my text because of german errors or propaganda. Plus they are not copy of fishing shooners, hull line are much finer. They ware inspired by Dunkerque's fishing schooner of 1850'. Naval architect was probably the same as for french battleship Dunkerque (1935)" and "Llammakey" answered ''"Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at French schooner Belle Poule, you may be blocked from editing. Llammakey (talk) 13:00, 8 April 2020 (UTC). I have every reason to consider that I am a the good faith editor who has been treated of "vandal" by "Llammakey, and that, for reason I can not understand he just refuses to have his error corrected whatever my arguments which he refused to discuss before undoing my work twice and forbidding me to persist in correcting this.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.194.143.124 (talk) 23:19, 09 April 2020 (UTC)

Again, IP editor, please discuss the content dispute at Talk:French schooner Belle Poule, rather than trying to debate the details in edit summaries or here at the Teahouse. Thank you. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 23:28, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

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Linking to Commons photo without displaying photo

I'm working on some improvements to our article on Pillar Point Harbor. I uploaded a photo on Commons of a plaque in the harbor commemorating a local shipwreck. The photo itself is not great, with the text impossible to read in a thumbnail and difficult to puzzle out even at full size. So I don't really want to put the photo in the article, but the text itself (which is transcribed in the description of the Commons file) is of some interest. Would it be appropriate to put a link to the Commons file in the External Links section of the article? Or is there a better way to handle this? CodeTalker (talk) 21:36, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, CodeTalker, and welcome to the Teahouse. I think that adding the image as a thumbnail would still be the way to go, in this instance. When you add it as a thumbnail, interested readers that click on the image to try to get a better view of the text would see your description from Commons and would be able to read the text on the plaque from that. OhKayeSierra (talk) 22:01, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

“ ANCHOR OF THE RYDAL HALL
On the night of October 17, 1876, the square-rigger Rydal Hall ... ”

@CodeTalker: I would use {{Rquote |1=right |2=ANCHOR OF THE RYDAL HALL<br /> On the night of ...<ref>(cite for the source of the text)</ref>}}, producing the quote box at the right. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 23:04, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

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Gadget/tool for developing talk pages of newly created pages?

Curious if there's some kind of gadget or tool for easily developing talk pages of new pages. I've created a couple dozen pages so such a tool, if there is one, could definitely help me out. Thanks. Loksmythe (talk) 22:35, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Loksmythe, The tool I recommend is WP:RATER, which allows you to easily create talk pages and sort a page into WikiProjects and rate them. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 22:51, 9 April 2020 (U

Ditto on that advice. In my browser I have to reload the page after rater is run in order to see the work it has done.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 22:55, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

This is great! Thank you for the recommendation CaptainEek and the affirmation ThatMontrealIP! Loksmythe (talk) 23:08, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Pro tip: you can also revisit a page a few months or years later, and it will update the ORES rating (stub, start etc) when you run it.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 23:13, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Ooooooo, very cool! Good to know, thanks! Loksmythe (talk) 23:14, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Can i ping a non user?

can i ping a non user? --Disoff (talk) 01:13, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Disoff, If you mean can you ping anonymous IP users? No you cannot, but you can still leave them talk page notices and they do get notified about those. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 01:27, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

CaptainEek yea thats what i mean, thxs!--Disoff (talk) 01:32, 10 April 2020 (UTC)