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Welcome

Hi there. Welcome to Wikipedia. Thanks for your note at Wikipedia:New user log.

I'm sure there are plenty of things you can contribute to here. You might want to check out List of classical music composers, List of musical topics, and Wikipedia:Requested articles/music. The last one, especially, has a lot of suggestions for articles that don't exist yet, but that someone would like to see.

Here are some links you might find useful:

You should also feel free to drop me a question on my talk page. I'll answer if I'm here.


Happy editing, Isomorphic 18:23, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC)


Banned editor?

A recent edit to Talk:Rules of chess by "Wcc1851" resembles, at least to my eyes, an edit a few days ago to Talk:Chess by "indonesianguy", which you reverted; your edit summary was "banned editor".

I would be happy to revert this new edit, since it is incoherent, but I would be curious to know how to find out whether this was done by a "banned user". Thanks. Bruce leverett (talk) 00:47, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! Yes, that's him. Ohh it's a long story -- this guy has been harassing us since 2005 -- one of his interests is chess, and he has some peculiar ideas, including the idea that a variation of the queenside castle is actually named after him. Antandrus (talk) 00:53, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"That's crazy!" (Channeling Brian Fellow on YouTube.) ;) --IHTS (talk) 12:23, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for that deletion...

over on Wikibooks. I note, however, that the editor in question is not banned; Joesbread does not show as blocked, and so he could theoretically march in and start slanging again. Also it looks like there are remnants of that conversation left - you're quite welcome to delete the entire lot. And I am sorry for having fed the troll... Chazz (talk) 02:29, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ah yes -- I put in a steward request to finish the job -- this guy has been harassing us for years and years. 2005, actually. And now he has a copycat (but this one isn't).
I need to get global rollback -- if only to reduce my temptation to tell him what I think. :/ Antandrus (talk) 02:35, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Possible banned user

Could you look at 2roki2 (talk · contribs)? Edit patterns suggest it could be a banned user. Thanks. Quale (talk) 04:01, 5 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you -- yes it's him. Missed that one. Antandrus (talk) 04:06, 5 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Could I ask you to also look at Rokiboksen (talk · contribs) and Alirockyy (talk · contribs)? Thanks again. Bruce leverett (talk) 21:17, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Ah yes -- absolutely, that's him. Thank you @Sro23: for saving me the trouble. Antandrus (talk) 22:59, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
And Fightinor (talk · contribs). Thanks. Bruce leverett (talk) 00:42, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. FYI I add them to this, starting a new section when necessary. Antandrus (talk) 00:49, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
And Ridedaboat (talk · contribs) Quale (talk) 05:44, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Quale: I have added that account Nigos (t@lk • Contribs) 09:34, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks all -- always appreciate help with this. Antandrus (talk) 13:36, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Another one: Bataabata (talk · contribs) Quale (talk) 04:40, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
And now Mateokj01superbudala (talk · contribs). Quale (talk) 21:05, 21 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Quale: The response would be faster if you report the user to meta:SRG. Nigos (talk • Contribs) 03:45, 22 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, will do. Quale (talk) 05:04, 22 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know how to edit meta:SRG (the page seems to be R/O for me), but Go4brokee (talk · contribs). Quale (talk) 05:08, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oxnard Oil Field

You started a knowledgeable article about the Oxnard Oil Field and other similar fields in the area. @Fettlemap: identified Anterra and gave some deadline dates that appear to have been ignored.

Not mentioned is what they are apparently doing on the west side of Oxnard, along Mandalay State Beach north to McGrath State Beach. Is it a new oil field? An expansion to go after tar sands in a fracking operation?

I think there is an article there, but the two of you are far more qualified to know where to research and write that up. This is well beyond my expertise. Trackinfo (talk) 05:14, 5 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings @Trackinfo: -- that's the West Montalvo Oil Field out there. I haven't followed for a few years. Used to be Venoco, and there were some other players. I know offhand there were some very deep angle wells into the offshore pools. Wasn't aware of tar sands at WMOF but I know there are a lot at the Oxnard field; there was an article on that issue specifically by a government agency (DOGGR?) but I'd have to go digging. So to speak. :) Antandrus (talk) 14:13, 5 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Rokirasturac

user:Rokirasturac is abusing her talkpage. CLCStudent (talk) 19:12, 17 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

They did the same thing on Commons. I’m wondering why their account hasn’t been locked yet. Nigos (t@lk • Contribs) 22:38, 17 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Yeesh. Looks like Tegel has now done it. Antandrus (talk) 22:46, 17 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Your Userpage in the de.wikipedia

Hi Antandrus, someone is asking me to delete your Userpage in the de.wikipedia (see [1]). Are you this 91.225.28.20? -- Dandelo (talk) 16:36, 24 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No, that's Winkinger or whatever he's called -- thanks for fixing my user pages :) Antandrus (talk) 17:13, 24 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

User:Szymborskawislawa

Hello. It seems likely, given the similar username and editing patterns, that User:Szymborskawislawa is the same person as User:Wislawaszymborska which you earlier blocked. --LukeSurl t c 11:28, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Reported them as being one of the socks of Wikinger. Nigos (talk • Contribs) 11:46, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you both. Yes, we report them at the Steward requests at Meta, and I'll block them locally. Antandrus (talk) 13:53, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Which LTA?

Hi! Do we know which LTA these blocks[3][[4] involved? --Guy Macon (talk) 00:42, 15 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Guy Macon: -- yes, it's the "George Reeves Person" (Jimbo deleted his LTA page in 2006 - let me know if you'd like a link). Here is his global ban. Antandrus (talk) 00:48, 15 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Would a limited LTA case page also be out of the question? It would maybe mainly be helpful for us at the small wikis he regularly attacks, was only able to curb his activity at the Icelandic Wikipedia after I came across some IP ranges you had suggested a few years back (we don't have checkusers). Like Guy Macon, I've found it difficult to piece together the little information on him that exists in the archives (and I still can't differentiate between him and that Polish imitator). – Thjarkur (talk) 12:48, 15 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Related: User talk:Jimbo Wales#LTA page that you deleted in 2006 --Guy Macon (talk) 13:09, 15 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I had started drafting one in my userspace (User:Antandrus/LTAdraft) but every time I do I think better of it. If someone else wants to do it, go ahead -- but I'm inclined to think blocking, reverting, ignoring is overall the best policy. Yet -- I can see the case for a simple, facts-only page as a time-saver. Thjarkur -- I can distinguish the impostor from GRP -- feel free to email me if you like. Can't state publicly for obvious reasons. Antandrus (talk) 14:24, 15 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks :) Yes, your draft would have been helpful, but it's apparent that there are a few things about this case I'm not aware of. – Thjarkur (talk) 19:01, 15 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Why thank you. I am pleasantly impressed by the selection of candidates this year. Not that anyone will see this, - thank you, to the various experienced people who have stepped up to this profoundly unpleasant and thankless, but necessary, job. Antandrus (talk) 00:30, 19 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Ahaaaaaa!! but they will! Heh, just saw the edit summary. I'd make a list of observations about arb stuff but I'm sworn to secrecy XD Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:53, 19 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Ha ha ha! -- observations on arbitrator behavior, -- or behaviour, as it may be -- I'd eagerly read it :)
But yes, and interesting, I felt a twinge of pleasure, and was it -- hope? Bunch of good people. Antandrus (talk) 01:49, 19 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah could be an interesting mix....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 07:10, 19 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Happy Holidays


May you have very Happy Holidays, Antandrus ...

and a New Year filled with peace, joy, and beautiful music.



Best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 06:16, 22 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, and a beautiful and restful holiday to you as well! Off traveling for a bit. The out-of-office message I left at work included "I am going home for the holidays. Since this involves interstellar travel, I will be out of cell phone range ..." Antandrus (talk) 16:21, 22 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Inquiry on "Infoboxes"

Hi Antandrus, a couple months ago I began heavily expanding and rewriting the Orlando Gibbons page. While so far I have only done the intro and general cleaning, I am returning to it now to try and write the bulk of the life and career section. I had made an "info box" where Gibbons' portrait, dates birth and death places as well as signature appear but as I searched through the other featured classical music articles I noticed how many lacked this "info box." The Beethoven article was one of my main templates and it exists there, but not in various other articles like Mozart, Josquin and NRK. Because of all of this I was wondering if Gibbons should even have an info box or if maybe the articles without one should have their own? (I'd be happy to add a bunch if this were the case) Sorry to bother -- and sorry about all this (probably) unnecessary background info! Aza24 (talk) 11:10, 25 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings! Infoboxes -- they're a contentious issue. Personally I never add them to biography articles, because they inevitably have to simplify information in order to fit into the box parameters, or just duplicate info already present in an article lede -- but other editors love them. I stay out of the back-and-forth because of the ill will it generates. (This got so bad some years ago it resulted in an arbitration case). You can find some discussion of the issues here. Anyway, the guidelines state they are neither required nor prohibited, so you can always add one, keeping in mind consensus may go against having it. -- Hey, thank you for your work on Orlando Gibbons. That's the important part. Holiday cheers -- Antandrus (talk) 23:37, 25 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello Antandrus

Hi there, I was researching the Santa Ynex Mountains and your great pictures came up, I'm a Londoner and will definitely visit this outstanding beauty, thank you for your great pictures


the_thomas_crown_affair@hotmail.co.uk

Regards

Darren

Thanks! They're beautiful mountains, even though it seems they're on fire half the year now. Steep on both sides so you have a tremendous view almost everywhere. Antandrus (talk) 01:01, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

A cup of coffee for you!

Seems like you might have a problem to handle for a while. Have some coffee to help you out. MoonyTheDwarf (Braden N.) (talk) 21:26, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
and what is the Rocky Marciano guy doing editing from eastern Canada? Meters (talk) 21:32, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
You missed an edit from User:99.248.221.238, Ant. --MoonyTheDwarf (Braden N.) (talk) 21:33, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Greeting guys -- he uses open proxies these days, but of course never leaves Chicago. I'm at work and can't really keep a close eye on this at the moment. (Hey Ljupco, why don't you get a job or something and leave us alone? that would be the awesome.) Thanks for the coffee -- funny you should mention it. :) Antandrus (talk) 21:44, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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A barnstar for you!

The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
For great job on Serbian Wikipedia and other Wikimedia projects related to reverting attacks and vandalisms by George Reevs sockpuppets.

Thanks! Zoranzoki21 (talk) 01:41, 18 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, appreciate that. Antandrus (talk) 01:48, 18 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Your friend (sarcasm)

[6] I wasn't sure where to report this so I figured I'd drop it here as you're familiar with this deranged individual. – 2.O.Boxing 21:30, 18 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Lol. I will look to see if any cleanup is needed. Ant-SA-TAN!! 23:27, 18 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

February flowers

February
Alte Liebe
I Will Mention the Loving-kindnesses

A late Valentine for you: a bird that is normally only heard, acting on stage (well, it was the right balcony, to be precise, for most of the time, until she walked with Siegfried, carrying a little backpack) - the last reminiscence of the impossible made possible. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:56, 19 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Gerda!! That is beautiful. Antandrus (talk) 17:45, 19 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
new decoration on Handel's birthday, enjoy --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:23, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
... and today's Alte Liebe became especially meaningful after yesterday's funeral. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:09, 28 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you: I responded. Antandrus (talk) 22:57, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

RememberingstevenJ81‬

Please revoke email for this user. He sent me an email today, which I do not intend to open or read. I'd guess you have a way to see my notifications and there is a notification for it. Thanks. John from Idegon (talk) 23:59, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ugh, not that guy again. Will do. Antandrus (talk) 04:55, 20 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It was about Brockton, Massachusetts in case you want to add that on the LTA or look at IP edits. And of course, thanks! John from Idegon (talk) 07:26, 20 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks -- I probably shouldn't laugh, ... but after dealing with that guy for years it just kind of happens. He's mentally ill, and makes stuff up. "Jan" is one of the many names he uses for himself. None of the stuff he adds actually happened, except in his head. When he doesn't get his way he starts threatening people. If he sends you more emails -- for example threatening you -- you can report them to Wikimedia Trust and Safety (Wikimedia banned him from all projects for exactly this behavior, among other things). Antandrus (talk) 14:41, 20 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Please semi my talk, and be advised that I got an attempted login notification along with the flood of messages, plus another email from Rememberingsteven and one from IP 41. Should I assume I will have a new friend for a while? PS, I've never done anything on meta.....John from Idegon (talk) 20:45, 20 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Done. He seems a little upset today. LOL. He's done that to hundreds of people. Spent almost three years in jail for it, actually. Antandrus (talk) 20:47, 20 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yet another newish editor brought up our friend again on Talk:Brockton, Massachusetts today (completely GF Imo), so I archived the thread and a bunch of ancient stuff. Sorry to say, I do not know how to set up automatic archiving. Any chance you'd do that, when time allows? Thanks. John from Idegon (talk) 22:40, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I've never done it either -- will try to figure it out when I get a moment. Antandrus (talk) 23:29, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Finally that SineBot blocked!

Good for you! 😀 Bishonen | tålk 00:21, 21 March 2020 (UTC).[reply]

HA HA HA HA ah ha hahahaha...ha ha.... haha. (I have to admit I was tempted -- briefly -- just to let it stand. Sometimes we all need a laugh.) Antandrus (talk) 01:08, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Ohh yes - come to think of it, I probably do need to revdel some stuff from today's lunatic binge. (Maybe I should block it again with a block summary of 'OH GOD STOPPPP' or maybe 'enough revision obfuscation from this pestiferous machine', but I probably shouldn't.) 😀 Antandrus (talk) 01:48, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

LTA

I noticed your reverts in early March at Talk:Katyn massacre and Talk:Moscow Kremlin, and the subsequent significant blocks or global locks of the IPs. I have a (good) IP asking me to protect Talk:Katyń (film) which is being abused by what looks like the same LTA. Would you mind having a look and taking whatever action you think appropriate. I'll watch and act in the future. The good IP's current request is here. Protecting seems unusual but I don't know enough about it to hand out long blocks. Feel free to remove this if DENY seems desirable. Johnuniq (talk) 00:08, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The LTA is active so I blocked IP1 + IP2. Johnuniq (talk) 00:39, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, thanks. Yes, that's absolutely him. He uses throwaway proxies so long blocks are only valuable inasmuch as they reduce the total available. I'll look to see if he's been active on other projects. Antandrus (talk) 01:08, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you! I'd completely forgotten. Sixteen years. I banged out my first edits over a dial-up connection, using a monitor almost as heavy as my desk. Antandrus (talk) 01:11, 4 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The changes in technology since the Wikipedia stone ages are remarkable. Happy anniversary!--MONGO (talk) 05:31, 4 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Ah, thank you! I've been blocking trolls and vandals for 15 years, but I see so little appreciation from them. :( Those innocent old days seem so quaint now: you'd get "support" votes saying things like "seems ok", maybe 30 of them, with no "oppose" votes. I told someone at work I had just become an administrator on Wikipedia and he looked at me like I had three heads. "On what?" Antandrus (talk) 01:09, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Virginalist Article

Hi,

Should the Virginalist article be renamed to "Virginalist School" in order to follow the precedent of Venetian School, Franco-Flemish School and Roman School? Should it also be categorized as a "Composition schools" and in the template Template:Composition schools? I would normally just make these adjustments, since to me they seem obvious, but since they have not already been made I thought maybe I was missing some reason as to why. Thanks! Aza24 (talk) 01:00, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I think you're right. It's certainly better at "English Virginalist School" (or Virginalist School or English Virginal School) than where it is. That article could be greatly expanded -- looks like one of those we wrote long long ago. Antandrus (talk) 01:41, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Locking the talkpage

Will You, please, protect my talkpage and userpage from the unregistered users? This maniac [7] does not give up with rude messages and threas. Kubura (talk) 00:08, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Kubura -- I've protected your user page from unregistered users (indefinitely) and your talk page for a month. Let me know if he bothers you again. Antandrus (talk) 00:45, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. That maniac is active wright now. He has vandalized Your talkpage [8] with the anti-Christian and anti-Jewish message. It means "suck it to the Commies I f**king You the Jesus Christ the Jewish zombie". Sorry for interpreting so rude words in English, but now You see what we have. That maniac snapped last Year around May and he appears on daily basis (several times during the day and night). Besides such copulative, anti-Catholic, anti-Croat and anti-Jewish content, he threats with slaying, rape etc., being graphically detailed, and posting private data. He is hounding our users (here and on other projects, as You see it here), especially those that remove his posts. His preferred mode is to insert dirty lines inside the targeted user's messages on other talkpages, as well as on the talkpages on their correspondents. The other way of hounding is to insert the dirty lines inside the mainspace article that the targeted user recently edited. Kubura (talk) 23:24, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Renaissance music manuscript sources

After creating the English Virginalist School template, there seems to be no need for this one. The English Virginalist School template has all of these articles from the Renaissance music manuscript sources in it. Additionally, the Renaissance music manuscript sources template in the first place is confusing and misleading as it only contains manuscripts from the mid-late English Renaissance. If you agree, could you help me go about deleting this? I'm not really sure what to do as it is a template, not an article. Thanks! Aza24 (talk) 21:58, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Looks to me like it is just incomplete, including only English sources (maybe it was a start of a template that never got any more attention?) @Hyacinth: may know more, as the original creator. A thorough template of that description could include upwards of a hundred sources, particularly from Italy, France and the Hapsburg Empire. Or you could rename it to Renaissance music manuscript sources from England. Antandrus (talk) 00:59, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Aza24: I'm not sure why we'd want a template with hundreds of links to articles which don't exist. For example, why should Template:Shades of red include the infinite number of potential shades of red? Also, why would it need to be retitled to Template:Shades of red in English when this is implied by this being the English Wikipedia? Hyacinth (talk) 03:21, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Hyacinth: I think we both realize that's not a fair comparison, since English in the color context would be used as language and in the Renaissance music manuscript context is used as a nationality. As Antaduras said the Renaissance includes manuscripts from multiple countries so at the very least it should be changed to "Renaissance music manuscript sources from England." The reason I brought this up is because since there aren't a ton of English music manuscripts from the renaissance, it would make sense to only put them in the English Virginalist School, since the publications would have been such an important and central part of the school itself. Aza24 (talk) 03:52, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Aza24: No comparisons are possible if exact equality is demanded for a fair comparison because then it wouldn't be a comparison. Maybe you should be bold. Hyacinth (talk) 04:00, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Hyacinth: You're completely correct in your statement about comparisons, but I wasn't aiming for "exact equality" since, like you pointed out, that would be futile. I was merely trying to give my perspective on your analogy. I'm not sure where this "Maybe you should be bold" thing is coming from, but if I came off as arrogant in any way I seriously do apologize. I'm simply trying to hear your thoughts on this proposed change to this template, could you explain more on what you think about what Antandrus and I suggested? Aza24 (talk) 04:46, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
WP:BOLD is a commonly referenced guideline. It's not an insult or a compliment. I didn't even actually say that you should be bold, I said perhaps you should be. Hyacinth (talk) 04:52, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Hyacinth: Understood. I don't mean to bother you so would you care to comment further on the matter at hand or not? This is the English Wikipedia but, as you know, that doesn't mean we only write about England. At the moment, the Renaissance music manuscript sources template doesn't currently make sense in that regard. You'll have to excuse me, I hadn't seen that you changed the article name, it looks good now. Aza24 (talk) 05:18, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Precious anniversary

Precious
Eight years!

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Alcuin Club

Hello. You deprodded Alcuin Club and mentioned that a quick Google search establishes notability. How so? What I'm seeing establishes its existence, but what coverage in reliable secondary sources did I miss? Wikipedia is not a directory, so existence is not enough. If you know of some, would you please add them to the article or post them here so I can do so? Thank you. --DiamondRemley39 (talk) 23:31, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

They were a significant publisher of Anglican (conservative) material from the late 19th century until at least the 1920s. You can find their material in numerous libraries. As a publisher alone they are notable.
Geogre was a deletionist. A serious and outspoken one. When he wrote an article, and he knew this stuff quite well, it was notable. I wish he were here to defend it himself. Look, for example, at the St Bede Library collection here.
I'm all for purging Wikipedia of throwaway recentism, especially in popular culture, but this isn't it. @Bishonen: may know more on this topic and other things Geogre wrote in in 2005. Antandrus (talk) 00:26, 9 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks - will do. Antandrus (talk) 00:46, 23 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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User:Mercedesguyguy

Hello Antandrus, newly registered account User:Ridememoree (see filter log) has been attempting to edit Mercedesguyguy's user page, an account you recently blocked. Do you think it's a sock? I think so. Jerm (talk) 22:48, 27 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, absolutely - that's this guy. I will block, etc. Thanks, Antandrus (talk) 23:06, 27 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Protecting the usertalkpage

Please, will You semiprotect my user's talkpage (for unregistered users), since we have a sicco that posts as IP [9] rude messages on the articles and the talkpages on hr.wiki and across other Wikipedias of Croatian Wikipedists. He started last year in May and does not let it go, he appears on almost daily basis. Kubura (talk) 22:14, 28 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings -- yes, done, this time for three months. Antandrus (talk) 22:47, 28 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Protected edit request on 29 June 2020

Why not automatically update the count of years you've been on Wikipedia? 83.9.220.1 (talk) 16:57, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done questions to users don't require admin edit requests. — xaosflux Talk 13:45, 2 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanka Xaosflux -- I didn't even notice this was an "edit request" until now. 83, updating the years on my user page is just a minor annual amusement, I suppose. Antandrus (talk) 14:08, 2 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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July

July
pale globe-thistle above the Rhine

I just noticed that you contributed to Monteverdi's L'Orfeo early, - look! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:25, 4 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oh wow!
Funny, I just watched that a few days ago. There are some good performances on YouTube. Love that piece, -- and Monteverdi in general. Antandrus (talk) 22:38, 4 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I saw the performance of the Komische Oper Berlin which had a video on YouTube for a few hours, Barrie Kosky directed. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:43, 4 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Monteverdi's operas are now a featured topic! ... on the day 10 years after both Brian and I were declared awesome ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:20, 3
A first for me today: a featured list on the Main page, see Wikipedia:Main Page history/2020 August 21, an initiative by Aza24 in memory of Brian. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:59, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Most excellent! good work :) Antandrus (talk) 01:22, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

IP hopping vandal

Please see Talk:Stalinism (disambiguation) – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 22:55, 27 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, thank you. That guy again ... Antandrus (talk) 23:42, 27 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Western classical music eras

Antandrus, I hope you are doing well. I am in frustration over this template: Western classical music eras which I still believe should be deleted, and I attempted to do so unsuccessfully. The template seems to drastically over simplify music history and is only used on the same pages as the better made History of Western art music template. The result of the discussion even worsened the issue from changing the name of the template from "Music eras" to "Western classical music eras"... even though for some incomprehensible reason Prehistoric and Ancient music are included, when they are neither western classical music, nor eras (reminds me of the Holy Roman Empire in this respect!). Should I simply nominate it for deletion again and more carefully layout the issues? Even if the Prehistoric and Ancient music were removed, the fact that it appears on every page that the History of Western art music is enough to remove it in my mind. Aza24 (talk) 01:48, 28 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yeesh, that's a hard one. I had not been following. The History of Western art music template, is, as you suggest, better thought out. I don't like the "Western classical music eras" name, but anything with 'classical' makes me feel like I'm chewing broken glass. It's an ill-designed catch-all to differentiate that kind of music that doesn't have a beat from popular music, and sounds amateurish. You won't find it much in other encyclopedias. -- Maybe it should be "Western art music eras", at least to bring it in terminological line with the other one. Deletion may be a high bar; people seem to want it. If it remains, 'prehistoric music' has to go, because it is nonsense to think of that as in any way 'classical', and 'ancient music' should probably be "Music of ancient Greece and Rome" because that's what it is, it's European, and it is a clear ancestor of much of European art music. There's lots of other ancient music but it's as unrelated to the Delphic Hymns as Javanese gamelan music is to Tuva throat-singing. But wow, there are a lot of issues to address. Antandrus (talk) 02:33, 28 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Pinging @Jerome Kohl: who may have some ideas here. How useful is this thing, really? Antandrus (talk) 02:35, 28 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I have been following the discussion and wringing my hands. I don't know what the answer is, but I do agree that prehistoric and ancient music are both bad fits for the template as named, especially as the main articles at both titles are not restricted to the Western cultural sphere at all and, as Aza24 points out, neither are they eras. At the other end of the telescope there is another mess that will probably never be resolved, either. While the temporal limits for Medieval, Renaissance, Baroque, and classical are fairly well under control, already with Romantic music things start to get a little frayed (explained much more clearly at Romanticism#Music than at the dedicated article, which is in a sorry state. After that, there are nearly as many different periodizations as there are music historians, and the issue of style is so diffuse as to call into question the logic of trying to keep all of "The West" together under a single cultural umbrella.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 03:08, 28 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The thing I keep coming coming back to is the need for two templates; I can't imagine a reason why we'd need two and at the moment the History of Western art music seems to be superior. Granted it's not perfect, the general outline is clear enough – and the only thing the Western classical music eras seems to offer is the inclusion of Prehistoric and Ancient music... both of which as we all seem to have concurred are is uncalled for. Aza24 (talk) 03:41, 28 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
All right, I see where you are coming from, but my reservations about "Romantic" music and onward are better addressed by the Template:Western classical music eras, even though it has got fatal defects (in my opinion).—Jerome Kohl (talk) 06:48, 28 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Upon looking close at some of the genres you refer to I see what you're saying about Romantic music and later. In that case we should try and rethink that part of the History of Western art music so we can be confident in its use. Some thoughts:
  • Musical Nationalism is far too loose of a term to even be here imo, and it is hardly a soley "Western" concept anyways. I suggest we either remove it or move it to a "see also" section at the bottom of the template
  • With exception to Impressionism, Post-romanticism, the 2nd Viennese School, Neoclassicism and I guess Expressionism (although people like Christopher Rouse make me think it has not ended) the dates are very arbitrary (what you were referring to Jerome) and I can't really think of an option other than to remove them entirely – that being said, perhaps using a relative beginning year without an ending one at all might be better.
  • 2nd Viennese School doesn't belong in their either since we don't include any other music schools (if a "see also" section was added for Musical Nationalism than we could have a link to
  • Is serialism really over?
  • Contemporary classical music vs Postmodern music, an awkward situation with having Contemporary classical music under Postmodern music, when it simply refers to all current music. I wonder if something like this might work better for this section (with the earlier periods left out for just the moment):
History of Western art music
Late 19th-century and 20th-century
Modernist era c. 1890–1980
* Impressionism c. 1890–1930
* Post-romanticism c. 1890–1930
* Expressionism c. 1900–1930
* Neoclassicism c. 1920–1950
Contemporary music and 21st-century
* Serialism from c. 1920
Postmodernist era from c. 1930
* Neoromanticism from c. 1930
* Experimentalism from c. 1950
* Minimalism from c. 1960
* Postminimalism from c. 1980
See also

(The html for this collapse section could be better, I'm not an expert when it comes to that)

Other considerations
  • Antandrus's point of the title being "Western art music" makes sense to me as well and would fit with the actual title of the template. To that point I think titling the template as simply "History of Western art music" is less of a mouthful than "Periods, eras, and movements of Western classical music"
  • Also after looking at empfindsam style I wonder why the article's actual name is "sensitive style" rather than "empfindsam style" - Aza24 (talk) 08:25, 28 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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List of medieval composers

I've been working on some minor early music composers by trying to get random ones to GA, which I must say is rather fun since I have to try and get every bit of information in the article since there is so little in the first place! So far I've done Ellis Gibbons and am working on Grimace. I decided to take a crack at getting List of medieval composers reformatted and referenced, as a sort of center where I can work off of for the future, but I'm having trouble figuring out the scope of such an article. This list in particular I find more reasonable than say List of Classical-era composers, simply because there are less composers, but where do I draw the line between who is a composer of Medieval music as a predecessor to Western Classical Music and who is simply a composer who lived during 500–1400 CE? At the moment I am unsure about the list's inclusion of Byzantine, Syrian (which are really just Byzantine in this case) and Armenian composers. I'm leaning towards adding the Nine Lyric Poets, who all for the most part straddle the immediate beginning of the Medieval era (450–650 ish CE). Also, where does the "before 1150" division even come from in this list and the Medieval music article? Any thoughts would be appreciated. Aza24 (talk) 20:48, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm, interesting problems. That "before 1150" division feels arbitrary to me. Might as well be before 1100, 1200, or anything else. Was the intent to be pre-polyphony? That doesn't quite work. Pre-florid? Pre-Notre Dame? -- On the scope of the article, again, there is no clear and obvious way to do it. If the composers is in Europe, sure; if the composer is Byzantine or Syrian, and Christian, okay, I can see the relation; but with other geographies and cultures it gets farther and farther away from the stream that leads to European art music. I think you're okay as long as you state at the top what the scope of the article is, maybe citing one of the standard scholars of Medieval music who provides a definition. And it's probably better to err on the side of over- rather than under-inclusion. Just my opinion. :) Antandrus (talk) 01:21, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Right, the fact that these Byzantine and Syrian people are writing Christian hymns seems like enough to include them, but I agree that when I develop the lead the scope can be best explained there. I think you're right that the break was intended to be pre-polyphony, or (after looking closer) pre Léonin (1150—1201) apparently! I have some books I recently got about the Medieval era, so I'll check out those to find better divisions (if there are any...) I have another query that may result in the list being larger than I anticipated... thoughts on including all of the known Trouvères? (Since there is a "set amount") Or perhaps just "notable" – however that is decided – ones? Aza24 (talk) 02:10, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
You could include the ones for whom there is surviving music, not just an accounting or a story or two. Or who are notable for something else, like being a king. Usually "lists of" include everyone "notable", or notable enough to have their own article, so maybe that is the sensible way. Way back in the Cretaceous when I wrote some of these general articles everything was a redlink, and I used those as guides to what needed to be written, but you know what -- for some topics that may still be the case. I guess I am talking myself into saying -- include them all, at least if there is enough info for an article. Antandrus (talk) 02:20, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I have a suspicion that I might have lit up your watchlist, lol... btw, about the above I ended up starting a List of Byzantine composers since everywhere I looked online and all of the books I own never even mentioned Byzantine music when talking about "Medieval music" – plus I did some digging and it looks like Byzantine music has completely different theory and notation, so it wouldn't make sense anyways to have them together. Not to mention that Byzantine music "turned into" Ottoman music, not the Renaissance like the rest of Medieval music.
I managed to sort through the Medieval category today and get everything in relatively good order. I've been straightening out the ars nova, subtilior, trecento templates and just created this which I'm rather proud of. Learning and writing about Medieval composers is so interesting, especially for someone who was already well versed in classical and romantic music. So far my favorite piece I've found is this ballade by Grimace... it's somewhere in between ars nova and ars subitilor. Aza24 (talk) 05:50, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I think a list of Byzantine composers is an excellent idea -- thanks! I don't see a reason to conflate them with "medieval" (not sure how that started, honestly -- I don't think it was me). Interesting stuff, isn't it? Quite beautiful, and so open to different interpretive approaches. What I would give for a time machine to hear what some of it actually sounded like. Antandrus (talk) 23:07, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia article for Monday Evening Concerts

(Antandrus, apologies in advance if I innocently fail to follow any Wikipedia guidelines in the comments below. I am a Wikipedia novice)

I am President and Board Chair of www.MondayEveningConcerts.org ("MEC") ​Founded in 1939, Monday Evening Concerts (MEC) is one of the longest running series in the world devoted to contemporary music. 

 Names associated with MEC have included: Stravinsky, Schoenberg, Lawrence Morton, Boulez, Cage, Feldman, ...

The early years of MEC have been documented in the book by Dorothy Lamb Crawford "Evenings On and Off the Roof" Over the years MEC has had a close relationship - even a parallel existence with - the Ojai Music Festival, whose wiki article you have been involved with as an editor. 

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ojai_Music_Festival

MEC has a Wikipedia article about it, in French Wikipedia: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monday_Evening_Concerts But there is not a Wikipedia about MEC in English.

  • We would now like to bring about a Wikipedia article about MEC in the English Wikipedia.*
  • I am contacting you to request guidance in how to accomplish this.*

Quick comments for now: - We have a wealth of content ! - We would like to build the article gradually. Perhaps using the Ojai Music Festival article as an approximate model for Ver1 - We have no prior experience in doing a Wiki article; we do know that there are right and wrong ways to create an article, we want to do it the right way - We have some skilled labor for this project. And we understand that at certain points, a skilled editor should be involved to assure Wiki-compatibility in all respects.

You may contact me as follows: - Replies to this post - Email to imalitz@rdic.com - Phone me at 818-231-3965

We understand that you are an accomplished musicologist and musician; and of course a prolific contributor to Wikipedia. So we look forward to getting acquainted. And will greatly appreciate whatever guidance and assistance you may provide.

IsaacMalitz (talk) 17:04, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings Isaac and welcome to Wikipedia!
A couple of things: the Monday Evening Concerts is an obviously notable topic, and I confess I am surprised we do not have an article already. I am familiar with them. I would bet most of my talk page watchers who are members of Wikipedia:WikiProject_Classical_music have heard of them. (Aren't they the longest regularly-running new music series in the world? I thought they were)
I am working today so can't look at this until later, or maybe tomorrow, but I have a couple suggestions to start. We could translate the French article as a template (I can do that, just not right away). Since you have a stated conflict of interest you and anyone assigned to work on this have to be careful. That does not prohibit you from working on the article, but you have to be extra-attentive to the neutral point of view policy, and avoid promotional language. You probably know this already. And also never copy and paste anything from another source, ever -- always write fresh. Pinging @Jerome Kohl: for thoughts too. Also if you have photographs you'd like to add, make sure to release them under a Wiki-compatible license (Creative Commons or equivalent). I, or one of my talk page watchers, can help you. Antandrus (talk) 18:15, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]


IsaacMalitz Do you think that the French article is good to use as a template - to get started?
Over time, the MEC article will probably grow to several thousand words.
We will be very careful about WP:NPOV policy. Hopefully you or someone else on the Wiki team can help us with some occasion review, just to make sure.
We have great photos !
I have asked our Artistic Director, Jonathan Hepfer to join this thread.
Thanks very much. I hope you enjoy working with us. MEC is a fascinating organization !!
IsaacMalitz (talk) 19:52, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, what's the next step? IsaacMalitz (talk) 15:43, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings -- sorry, have been distracted, and not spending much time on Wikipedia. You can start a new article in draft space if you like, and I will read it and assist. I was going to translate the French article as a start and can still do that, when I have time. If you'd like to take a crack at starting the article, here is a link: Draft:Monday Evening Concerts -- or use the New Article Wizard which also starts it in draft space, and leads you through the process. I recommend starting small; one or two paragraphs, all referenced to reliable sources, and then build it from there. Don't try to write a long article at one go. Antandrus (talk) 17:25, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, we will proceed as you have advised. IsaacMalitz (talk) 17:47, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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In Freundschaft

So sad that Jerome died, - thank you for letting us know. Could you write an obit for Wikipedia:Deceased Wikipedians/2020 which will probably also go to the Signpost? - He was the fourth here who helped me, pointing out that many composers wrote music for Siegfried Palm but not Stockhausen (although a source said so). Always enlightening to talk to him, although we often disagreed, constructively so. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:11, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I can do that. -- I disagreed with him a lot as well; I think my first interaction with him was a collision. Because I did most of my writing 10-15 years ago, I was of that old school where you wrote what you knew, generally sourcing it to the books that you listed at the end -- footnoting was a new feature after I'd been here a year already -- he was of a later wave, those who cite every fact and challenge anything that isn't cited. I found it irritating, although gradually came around. I'm worried that a lot of 20th- and 21st-century composers and topics will not be watched. He guarded over a huge list of things, and ceaselessly improved them. Antandrus (talk) 22:30, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps make that list known at classical music? I'm willing to watch some, only can not really add substance, just revert dubious changes. - Look for my name in his archives, - many topics, focus on Stockhausen, of course. Palm was my second article, translated from German, and nothing sourced ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:55, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I just checked out the DYK preparation: two Stockhausen works will be mentioned on the Main page on 8 September, with Matthias Hölle. I meant that as a token of friendship, - didn't know what it would become. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:23, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Wow. Yeah, this is hitting me kind of hard. He was only 73; too young. There is so much yet to learn and understand and discover, can't we all live to 200? Life is so short. He was editing right up to the last day. He had an impressive understanding of some of the most abstruse, obscure, and difficult topics in all of music. Antandrus (talk) 23:46, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It really is quite devastating – knowing that he was watching over so many articles gave me some comfort in the ever changing WP... I would be willing to watch some too, but would be hesitant in talking on too many, watching a lot of early music articles at the moment Aza24 (talk) 00:14, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Two things, in memory. We should write his Wikipedia article, - Antandrus, will you go second after this start? The citations are discussed on Talk:Karlheinz Stockhausen. A mountain. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:41, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Open proxy

Hi Antandrus! I saw that you applied this block just moments ago. I noticed that this IP had made the same edit earlier. I've blocked it for the same reason and for the same duration. Just wanted to let you know. ;-) Cheers - ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 21:12, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! (Would say more but really don't want him to know what I know, ya know. :) Antandrus (talk) 21:15, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
No problem! :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 21:31, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Persistent vandalism

The guy who adds weird stuff to chess talk pages, for instance recently about "chess queenside rotation beauty" -- I see that it always comes with a link he wants you to click on. I guess that means he is trying to spread malware, right? Isn't there anybody out there who is trying to prevent that, and would like to know about him? Or perhaps I am just asking a question that has been asked for 20 years. Bruce leverett (talk) 02:58, 17 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Well, yes, he spent almost three years in jail for threatening people, disrupting their internet service, stalking, harassment, and other things. The links are mainly spam to his vanity site, where his fictional persona allegedly invented a new chess move, was a grandmaster, and so forth. He's banned by the Wikimedia Foundation. I don't think they can (or are willing) to do much else. We put up a minimal page here about him. If he makes actionable threats, the Chicago police are the agency with jurisdiction. Antandrus (talk) 03:15, 17 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. I guess I am not surprised to learn about Projects, but I can't help but think that the "vanity" website(s) is(are) not just for vanity, they're for adding your computer to somebody's bot net. If the police know about him, I guess that's all I can ask. Bruce leverett (talk) 03:53, 17 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Classical period (music)

Antandrus, wondering your thoughts on this before I consider putting up a move request. The more I think about it, the more it makes sense that Classical period (music) ought to be named "Classic music (period)". Obviously "Classical Music" would be ideal, but this interferes with the actual Classical music as a whole, but comparing it to other musical periods (Renaissance Music, Baroque Music, Romantic Music etc.) and other "classical subjects": Classical physics, Classical economics makes me lean towards "Classic music (period)". The other thing is that there's no such thing as the "Classical period" in the first place, as in there's no such thing as "Classical period (art)", "Classical period (literature)" etc. so how would "Classical period (music)" make sense? Aza24 (talk) 01:14, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Wow -- you could try it, but you might have trouble with that. "Classical era (music)" is another possibility. "Classic music" seems to me to have another connotation, e.g. like "classic rock". It's not, to me, a familiar term. Britannica uses "Western music - the Classical Period" but "Classical era" seems pretty well represented too. Antandrus (talk) 01:26, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Honestly, I kind of wish the other articles were "Romantic period (music)" and "Baroque period (music)" -- "Romantic Music" always makes me grit my teeth, but -- it's one of those situations where you fix one, and the others get worse. Antandrus (talk) 01:28, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yes... "Romantic music" is annoying but I doubt a change there is worth it. The more I think about it actually "Classical period (music)" is even more misleading since "Classical period" (and "Classical era" as well) are primarily references to Classical antiquity, so the current name might even imply more so that the article is of music from Classical antiquity! Aza24 (talk) 02:01, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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I still silently hope that an article about Jerome - as described under September - might become part of the October harvest. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:24, 28 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Beautiful Main page today, don't miss the pic by a banned user (of a 2013 play critical of refugee politics), nor a video with plenty of clothes and fashion. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:25, 29 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Disruptive IP again

See Talk:The Super Fight, Thanks. Jerm (talk) 00:44, 30 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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BladesOfAnarchy

Can user:BladesOfAnarchy please be blocked ASAP. CLCStudent (talk) 02:16, 4 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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