User talk:El C

If you have the capacity to tremble with indignation every time that an injustice is committed in the world, then we are comrades. – Che.

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For you

El C, contrary to your edit summary- I noticed you were gone, and missed seeing you on recent changes. You are one of my favourite editors. This is for you. Regards, dvdrw 04:34, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Yay! Many chipthanks for the kind words. Greatly appreciated. Best, El_C 06:49, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Well I noticed and missed you! (Official circular here). Novickas (talk) 12:40, 30 September 2008 (UTC) Thought of you while uploading this picture [1]... for all of your work. Novickas (talk) 17:35, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Many thanks! El_C 11:27, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm sort of in a hole and am having difficulties submerging. Speaking of holes/that chippie, I got to do some visiting in its burro recently...

Later, adding even more festive decorations, and inspected the whiskers:

And some drinky-drinky as well as rubbing under chin:

Also, two days ago I got to rub a cheekadee's tummy(!); for a handsome reward, of course:

Love, El_C 11:27, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

You look really good in your purple hat! Bishonen | talk 00:19, 4 November 2008 (UTC).

Free hat! Today, while cheekadeepetting, this lady who saw us from a far, came over and said: "Can I tell you something...? You're an angel of God."(!) To which I of course replied: "All hail Atheismo!" [nah, I said: "thank you, maddam, that's very kind of you" — what else could I say?] I took an especially neat cheekadeepetting photograph today: it remained visible between my thumb and index as it flew away, giving the illusion it was bee-sized! What an unexpected, and sweet, effect! El_C 02:48, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Wow, Capitano, where do you get a large enough sweater for a person with that hand? Bishonen | talk 20:18, 5 November 2008 (UTC).

And then there's Skunky! El_C 14:00, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Oooo. Purdy!

Combine obvious love of animals with photography results in photographic win! — Coren ^(talk) 15:09, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! Great to learn that peoples (plural!) like! Chickadee says hi! El_C 14:00, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Seasons Greetings

Here's some peanuts for Hidey. He hasn't got any!

Hello. Thanks, SqueakBox 23:14, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Wishing you the very best for the season. Guettarda (talk) 00:26, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Thx, everyone! Happy 2009! El_C 12:55, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Happy Groundhog Day

Happy day! Jehochman ^Talk 19:52, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Chippies

El C, I've been meaning to ask for ages. What is the link between revolutionary socialism and chimpunks? Did I miss that bit in Animal Farm? Is it something to do with resting the means of damn making from beavers? --Joopercoopers (talk) 11:39, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

No link; but are you referring to Groundhog? (see left) There is a Groundhog-Chippie connection, which I was trying to further cultivate (see right). El_C 11:48, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

"Love is in the air ....dooooo .....dooo.dooo ......doooo ......dooo.doooo ." --Joopercoopers (talk) 11:55, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, I'm envious. You get to pet ALL the fuzzeh creatures!  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  01:40, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

Book?

Let me know when it is out, and you will up your sales by one. :-) KillerChihuahua^?!? 09:22, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

4Tality Fractal

1. Four Facets of existence: 1. Matter 2. Energy 3. Space 4. Time

2. Four Dimensions: 1. 1D 2. 2D 3. 3D 4. 4D (temporal)

3. Four Fundamental interactions: 1. Strong 2. EM 3. Weak 4. Gravity

4. Four States of matter: 1. Solid 2. Liquid 3. Gas 4. Plasma

El_C 07:19, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

Rev-dels

Just for information at the moment: are you able to do revision deletions? Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 19:47, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Affirmative. El_C 20:46, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

OK, thanks. There are a couple of admins I usually contact when I see something that needs to deleted, but unfortunately they let real life interfere with their admin duties. You are online a lot at the same times I am, so it's good to have another person to contact if needed. I generally only ask personally if it's both serious and urgent. - BilCat (talk) 02:29, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Yes, by all means. If I'm around, please don't hesitate. El_C 02:30, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Thanks very much. I realize.my wording above presumes you'd be willing, and that I didn't actually ask, so thanks. :) - BilCat (talk) 04:01, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Romania

And all I got was this... Whoa!

I can live with your highly arbitrary closing summary of the RfC on the Talk page, so I do not want to persuade you to change it. However, you closed other on-going debates as well. Could you open the other debates? Thank you. Borsoka (talk) 05:57, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Ah, the thanks I get! El_C 05:58, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

And all I got was a ^^^

• Talk:And Then There Were None#RfC: And Then There Were None and racial language
• Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Politics#Request for comments on the 'political position' parameter of the political party infobox
• Talk:Romania#RfC
• Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#RfC: HispanTV
• Wikipedia talk:Requests for adminship#Is RfX a vote, or a consensus discussion? (RfC)
• Talk:Civil Rights Act of 1968#Merger of Fair Housing Act and Indian Civil Rights Act of 1968 into this article
• Talk:WikiLeaks#RFC: Murder Of Seth Rich content dispute
• Talk:Athens News#Request for comment
• Talk:SNC-Lavalin affair#RfC: LavScam
• Talk:Christchurch mosque shootings#RfC: Change "white supremacist" to "white nationalist"

El_C 06:06, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious

Three years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:11, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Nice. Thanks, Gerda! El_C 08:24, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. Good day, see? Take music and flowers to your liking ;) - It's great to see your name so often on my watchlist. One area where I often wait for admin action - not now - is WP:ITNN, where we nominate for recent deaths to be shown on th Main page, and often the time between an article found [Ready] and then is [Posted] seems [too] long to still call it recent. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:32, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Ah, good ol' ITNC —where I got no credit for being the first to have  Posted the Corona virus outbreak, but upon (admittedly, perhaps somewhat prematurely) doing the same for the Kirk Douglas RD got a what-the-fuck-barbeque— it's a magical place! El_C 11:28, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

I see, sorry for touching some wound ;) - Same for me: last year, I nominated a great pianist for RD, after I first had create an article which took time, and then carried away to also make it decent, - and by then her death was so long ago that she wasn't mentioned at all. The more woman, and the more foreign, that danger seems imminent, and if I may bother you in case I seee it coming again, that would be great. At present, it's a man, listed 20 Feb (although who knows if that was the day?), and nobody even commented yet, so nothing to be concerned about right now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:27, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Hey, by all means, if you feel Peter Dreher is [Ready], let me know so I could do the honours. El_C 12:53, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

I nominated him, so am not the most independent to judge ;) - and I'm already busy with the next, a woman, but mostly not foreign. - I really think we have some unintended bias there: the most prominent figures (white U.S. males) get speedy attention, and appear soon at the top position, while the female foreigners - often reported late to start with - take so long to even be noticed that they get only a place towards the end, finally, - as long as we go by date of death and not "in at the top". Result: those who are promminent already get preferred showing, more in front, and longer. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:04, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Indeed, countering systemic bias is a treacherous mistress — though in the case of Kirk Douglas, I have to admit my own affinity for his admirable work countering the Hollywood blacklist... Anyway, +Peter Dreher to RD. El_C 13:16, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

February flowers

Alte Liebe

Thank you, love-ly! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:42, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

I nominated the poet for ITNN. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:36, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

At the [Ready]! El_C 14:48, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

and posted ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:28, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

That was quick! I helped? El_C 17:33, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

think so ;) - today's Alte Liebe became especially meaningful after yesterday's funeral. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:21, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Next foreign women RD: Odile Pierre. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:12, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: sorry for the belated response — I overlooked your last message. Apologies for not being able to assist with that one. Please don't hesitate to list more. I'll try to be more cognizant of this thread next time, I promise. El_C 03:28, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Gerda's corner

Add some colour to the corner! El_C 08:46, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

To help me better remember! El_C 05:10, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Gerda’s corner is lovely. When I have more time in my life and can do things beyond blocking socks, I plan to spend time there getting some of the Holy Thursday hymns on the main page. Gerda, if it’s not too late to find one, let me know. The Pange Lingua is always a first choice, but if there are any others you can think of, I’m open. TonyBallioni (talk) 05:26, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Also, El C’s talk page is lovely, especially for his hosting my musing about music he likely doesn’t care about one iota! TonyBallioni (talk) 05:28, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Actually, I like all kinds of music, including of the eclectic and esoteric variaty — lately I've been Dimashing it up (special thanks goes to Jasmin Ariane!). El_C 05:32, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Lovely corner, thank you! Today is The day of music, two choirs singing. I'd like Beati improved - but it's in the evensong, perhaps I'll get to a few more lines. On IWD, I should also get Elinor Ross in better shape ... - but singing comes first. Listen to Beati by voces8, another article needing improvement. Singing comes first ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:41, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

On the ITNN page, 6 Mar, Carsten Bresch. We will possibly never know when he died, but should use 6 - when the world was informed - as the day by which we go. I may be alone with that view ;) - Lovely lively colours! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:24, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Expect the sky to fall at ITNC — posted with Mar 0? (!). El_C 13:34, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for posting, and I added "Posted", but don't want to pass credits. DYK you know that it is as easy as clicking on the words "credit" in the nom? Nice progress on the soprano, but out for singing (alto), second round. A good source for her death would be a nice addition, anyone. this is all Spanish to me, and the English one is a blog. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:04, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

nom done, and the credits were done by someone else - bedtime --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:19, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Sleep tight. El_C 23:27, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

done also, and she's there - today's topic seem to be errors (3) in the OTD section of the Main page. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:28, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

Amakuru took care of that! - What should I do about this decline? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:58, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

If you're confident it's good, I would move it to main namespace nonetheless. El_C 10:07, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

How about you? - I asked the decliner for reasoning, but got no answer. I think it might be better if it's not a personal thing between them and me, so an independent pair of eyes might help. - I don't go via AfC, nor does my friend LouisAlain, but last year many of his translations were sent to draft space, for lack of refs, just because de and fr have different ideas about referencing. I try to rescue, that's all. Then get a ridiculous template on my talk recommending the Teahouse, and still see the ridiculous decline template recommending to seek help from an experienced editor, - the things we do to voluntary contributors ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:31, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

 Done. Mainspacified. And I didn't even visit the Teahouse! El_C 13:37, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

pacified ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:26, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for tagging me, El_C! Concerning Dimash: Oh wow, I really didn't expect that! But I'm happy you enjoy it! It's funny, it's not even a genre I usually listen to. But the first time I heard him 2 years ago, I immediately loved his music. I love his voice, his emotional interpretation; and his vocal skill, range and versatility are just enormous. And he seems to be a very nice and humble guy, which makes it even easier to like him. PS: "eclectic and esoteric variety"? Wow, that sounds interesting. Jasmin Ariane (talk) 21:55, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

♫ Welcome to the corner, Jasmin! Yes, I love Dimash's Sinful Passion, New Wave, SOS d'un terrien en détresse, Ogni Pietra (Olimpico), Opera 2, and more. Indeed, music-wise, I'm all over the place. Yesterday, I was listening to the Mahavishnu Orchestra, I'm listening to Charlie Byrd right now (because I love bossa nova, above all else), and I'm listening to the China Philharmonic Orchestra in the car currently. So, yeah, all over the place. Welcome, again! ♫ El_C 16:47, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

Gerda's February corner

Hellebore

Want a drink in darkness? - Schloss Freudenberg --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:38, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Somehow, I don't really see that concept spreading to other bars... Back to out previous conversation, somewhat, a different kind of Green: "MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE - A Randy Rainbow Song Parody" (just released). El_C 14:51, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

I missed Mathsci for two years. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:14, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Criss-crossing paths... El_C 15:16, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

BWV 1, concertante violin 1 --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:19, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

That's right, I remember seeing that. El_C 15:24, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Did you ever click on Reformation on my user page, first occurence? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:02, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Yes, I have clicked on all of the (longstanding) links on your userpage. El_C 16:08, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

I am impressed. ... and follow to what the first 2 had discussed, and used, and then one of them needed it, and probably had known that all the time? ... which was my user page lead until 2021 when I decided people hovering over my name should see a pic I took. The last time I used it was for Cassianto, 24 May 2020. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:51, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Sure, but otherwise, your userpage isn't easy to parse, due to the fact that you actually use it. I edit mine like once a decade. El_C 18:00, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

I copied that from BarkingMoon including the top icon - a bird on the Main page today --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:07, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Love it when the Main page gets that much colour. I noticed that article yesterday and thought: wow, those birds are almost as iridescent as Hummingbirds , which are... well, kinda the best! El_C 18:18, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

yes --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:25, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Opa is now on the Main page, Wilhelm Knabe, who stood up for future with the striking school children when he was in his 90s, - a model, - see here. - Further down on the page, there are conversations about the current arb case request - I feel I have to stay away - in a nutshell: "... will not improve kindness, nor any article". - Yesterday, I made sure on a hike that the flowers are actually blooming ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:13, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Yay for Green Opa! This made my day! El_C 16:24, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Today, we have Doris Stockhausen on her 97th birthday ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:34, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Till 120! El_C 15:39, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Birds of a feather

External videos
Bitter-sweet groove (translation unavailable on request!)

Spiel nicht mit den Schmuddelkindern ... anticipated protest --- and listen, not to me, but the music (in the article) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:49, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

... and after the music, please listen to User talk:Nikkimaria --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:39, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

I don't understand. There's a YouTube video at the bottom of the page, but it's just some people talking in German (which I don't-Opa-understand) alongside some German folk music (not my cup of tea). Then, you link to Nikkimaria's talk page as an ill with numbers and stuff, but it still only links to their main user talk page. Quite confusing. El_C 13:48, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

entirely my fault, I thought I had the video in the article, but no, only on the talk of Martinevans123, and when I'm absent-minded, I confuse ill and diff, Nikkimaria. But hurray, I just expanded the soprano, sufficiently I hope. Need fresh air now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:49, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't really like that song. Didn't dislike it either. Was just kinda meh. Personally, I prefer the Israeli children songs I grew up on, like הילדה הכי יפה בגן, for example. El_C 16:08, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Mr. Degenhardt would have been delighted! Not a song to be liked, - did you read the quote which I translated (improving on Deeple) per the talk request. Song talk about unpleasant smells, ending with a crime and a corpse swimming ... while the surviving grubby children keep singing that you better don't play with them. - Thanks for yours. Did you read my advice for M? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:33, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

I did not. Quoted where? Also, after Opa, I'm afraid to ask, but what's a "Deeple"? Yes, I saw it. Sound advise, but I'm still concerned that further cognizance will nonetheless be needed in order to avoid utter disaster in the future. El_C 16:45, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

my next mistake, DeepL - as you know everything about me you'll know that I am an infobox warrior who had to be restricted by arbcom to prevent utter disaster in the future. For 2 years I was too proud to appeal. I should have known SBHB's advice in the case, but then we might not have gotten to Beethoven ;) - RfC for Ian Fleming, and I stay away, I stay away, I don't play that game any more - please, be never afraid to ask! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:03, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Matti Caspi laments about how many songs can even be created, but does so in a song he created (כמה שירים אפשר להמציא בכלל), so there you go. Take that, eternity! El_C 17:13, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Gerda doesn't lament but enjoys the support by Brian, continued when others called her guilty, - always trying to mediate. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:56, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Tis the season for bitter-sweet...? Also, trying something (top of section — EEng uncredited mention). El_C 18:45, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

look --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:34, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

did you? - interesting bitter-sweet today --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:35, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

I did in passing, but I just am not in the headspace for riddles today, I'm afraid. But I did like File:Idstein,_Unytsjerke._Oersjoch_ynterieur.jpg. Almost-but-not-quite grand; warm but-not-quite gaudy. Sorry, I haven't heard of that translator before. Did you know her, personally? El_C 23:01, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. The church pic - as you will have seen - is in my user infobox for 2021. I don't know the singer personally, but she sang for us several times, Bach's great works (all explained if you follow the link, also (below there) that some like to receive my thanks and appreciation), and she sang recently in cantata services that I pictured (her page). On all these pictures, she is too small for "about her", and my lead is smaller "about me", of course. - I knew nothing about the translator, but she was a red link on Deaths in 2021. The bitter-sweetness is between her and her ex-husband, a novelist with an article who wrote her obit. (They had four children when they were divorced, and now he has ten.) - The delegate called me to task for the Bach cantata, so I will have to not follow spontaneous impulses for a few days, - hope no one dies whose article has to be written. In the cantata, BWV 1, I have a problem. The article was all built on one source (and all other Bach cantatas at the time also, btw) which one user denies reliability. I wanted to keep it, supporting it for all facts - only recordings, anyway - by a second source, trying to be faithful to the article history and to retain what editors did before me. He removed it. Quite generally, I have a problem with expansions which ignore what former editors achieved, see BWV 53 and Ian Fleming for recently mentioned examples. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:42, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Ah, just read that at: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/feb/08/dr-vera-wulfing-leckie-obituary — I see what you mean. Right, I knew it (the church) looked familiar. Hope you're able to resolve your BWV 1 problem. I'd offer to help, but I'd probably just mess it up, anyway. El_C 16:55, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

You will not mess anything up if you look at the old ref and tell me if it looks despicable to you, just for curiosity. The article was like this when I began "taking over". - Did you see this trying to revert a takeover? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:36, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

It does not look "despicable" to me, but I am far from an authority. This is not an area with which I am familiar. El_C 18:08, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, helped. I just found this (having searched for Thomanerchor) and look what is bolded, and praised. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:08, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Helleborus orientalis

happy Valentine's! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:14, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, for you, too. Did an English translation of a song at User_talk:El_C#Us, btw, and am about to submit another ("US," itself), so check it out! El_C 16:23, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

adding today's featured picture of February 17 - a nice match to my wild one --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:23, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Lovely, lovely! El_C 23:24, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Request to put 2021 storming of the United States Capitol under WP:1RR

@El C: @Octoberwoodland: Continuing this discussion, I'd like to request that 2021 storming of the United States Capitol be put under WP:1RR (I guess that would be Template:American politics AE?). How do I make such a request? Post to WP:AN? Or can an admin (i.e. you :-)) do that without a formal request? — Chrisahn (talk) 23:59, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Chrisahn, right, you ask me, here, like so. But can you show that there is a lot of protracted edit warring going on? Because I'm wary of throttling a page that sees that much activity. Not sure why you pinged Octoberwoodland here. They are not an admin, so they do not have the authority to grant your request. El_C 00:09, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

No, there hasn't been much edit warring. Just like Octoberwoodland, I thought the page was already under 1RR, and I thought it would be useful. But if you'd rather not do it yet, that's fine with me as well. If problems do arise, I'll come back here. But I hope it won't be necessary. :-) (The ping was just because Octoberwoodland started the discussion at Alalch Emis's talk page and might want to chime in here.) — Chrisahn (talk) 00:21, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Just understood that moments ago (the ping). Anyway, in general, restrictions are added by need only. The general consensus among admins is to wait and see, and only if needed add 1RR. And if that isn't enough, only then move on to additional enhancements, like Consensus required (i.e. gradual escalation). Regards, El_C 00:28, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation! These processes are more fine-grained than I thought. Probably a good thing. Although I'm afraid I won't remember the difference between {{ds/editnotice}} and {{ds/talk notice}} a week from now. :-) — Chrisahn (talk) 00:54, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

I just type T:DSA (all listed at the bottom), otherwise, who can remember! El_C 00:56, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

It is time I knew more about do's and don'ts applicable to infoboxes. Could you let me have the link to any WP that applies to Infoboxes as such? Qexigator (talk) 17:52, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm far from an authority on infoboxes, Qexigator, so short of pointing you to the MOS:INFOBOX-obvious, I would just advise you to avoid WP:ARBINFOBOX2 at all cost! Regards, El_C 18:13, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Some users get hot about infoboxes, while for others it's the normal thing to have. Before adding an infobox to an article without one, check for warnings in edit mode, and for discussions on the talk page. Recent example Ian Fleming, nonono. Those who made the article as nice as it is today don't like it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:23, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Haha! See what I mean, Qexigator? *Pokes Gerda* El_C 18:25, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the link to MOS:INFOBOX. This comfirms my experience when I have been looking at or editing other well-established articles on impottant topics: the infobox is 'to summarize (and not supplant) key facts that appear in the article (an article should remain complete with its summary infobox ignored,,,The less information it contains, the more effectively it serves that purpose, allowing readers to identify key facts at a glance,' If well done, they can be very helpful when needed.' Qexigator (talk) 18:44, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

My favourite is Beethoven. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:05, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

The unquestionable elegance of less is more. El_C 19:08, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

I am so proud of that ;) - Did you know that I designed it in the workshop of Teh Case ("Actually, I believe almost every article would profit from a placement like that in history and geography.")? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:01, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Us

User:El C/Songs from the homeland (YouTube links to individual performances are at the top of the subpage, in boldface)

"You See Far, You See Clear"

"Us"

"I Want Us To Be Realized"

"Didn't Know You'd Walk Away From Me"

"You Put My Hand In Yours"

"A Place Of Worry"

What Is Love?

"How Is It That A Star"

"A Love Song (Like A Wheel)"

"Sitting On The Fence"

"Fragile"

"In Praise Of Samba"

"Where Are You?"

"Poogy Tales"

"Tell Me"

"There Were Nights"

"It Happens"

"Drawing"

"Yes, It Has No Chance, But Between Myself And I Everything Is Allowed"

Last updated: El_C 09:05, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Gerda loves subsections!

Thanks for sharing! Reminds me of my one and only contrib to the Hebrew Wikipedia. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:17, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

I would have liked to add the pic to context, but can't tell ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:46, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Are you referring to he:קובץ:Ubud_Cremation_4.jpg, because that is one scary dragon! El_C 08:51, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

yes ;) - that pic was taken by my much-missed friend who made the good version for Ian Fleming, and my illustration for the infobox wars (see the link to the workshop, and in my 2020 talk archive). - On the other topic, Bach, we have now another ANI, by Smerus, Nikkimaria is fighting, I shake my head and try to look away, and Mathsci is still blocked. How many more editors in good standing are going to be burnt? - I like the singers music, but the images best when I see him, not graphics. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:54, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Haha! All roads lead to Ian Fleming, it seems. Also, you're making me sound like the grim reaper, but I just want to pet a chipmunk! El_C 11:03, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

"making you sound"? I just tremble with indignation - out for the day --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:07, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

That's the second time today where I've had Che quoted back at me — looks like it's gonna be one of those days... Enjoy your outing! El_C 11:13, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Innisfree Garden

Back from sun and snow: sorry if that landed wrong. I was a bit in a rush, and reacted to "all roads lead to IF". I don't care about IF, at all, the number of my edits to his article is zero, the number of my edits to the talk page is zero. I had not thought of him in years until the ongoing RfC, and my edits will remain zero. I use his name as an example, because - with the RfC going - I can mention it, otherwise if I mentioned a name from the group someone would come and cry "canvassing".

I thought about the animosity, and what I can trace back (because I really don't understand it), and looked at what I wrote about Ian Fleming on the page deleted as a call to battle. I made a note of the name, that it was infobox person (red background indicating that it was lost) and the above-mentioned diff of a good version from 2012 piped to the date. That's all. I had forgotten until I looked it up now that my friend had made the good version. When we lost him (later that year) I spread the image all over the Wikipedias, even Hebrew (with some help from a friend from Jerusalem). My first reaction had been to leave, but then I didn't want to do his enemies that favour ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:30, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Ooh, that is some lovley greenery. So nice. Also, you can CANVASS me any day, Gerda, but should probably note my propensity to call (!)voter fraud whenever things don't go my way (diff). Anyway, trying to take it easy today, with the occasional bouts of critical drinking. El_C 19:28, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Fine, easy today, will explain "canvass" some other day, also why I think the animosity is inherited, because the listing described really doesn't explain it, - although I can see (now) that the red background - about as red as your top image - could be seen as inflammatory. But a reason to leave Wikipedia? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:17, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Easier today, with progress on BWV 1. Back to the beginning, Hebrew: we miss Yoninah, terribly, and one of the many things she would have done for me is adding the text of a psalm to the article, compare Psalm 45 and Psalm 43. The text can be found at the bottom, in External links. I could probably manage but would feel safer if someone did it who could actually read it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:44, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

 Done. Oh, good, glad to hear it. Yup, I well know Yoninah for her top-tier contributions. I wouldn't count our losses yet, though. She's only been gone less than a month. Hopefully, she'll return soon. *Sending positive vibes* El_C 11:01, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Haha! Dangerous terrain (diff), who would have thunk it? (Seriously, I didn't.) El_C 11:07, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Hmm. I confess to being puzzled (diff). Anyway, pinged you to User_talk:Veverve#Psalm_43_query. Hopefully, my confusion can be assuaged. El_C 11:32, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

did it? (I had an edit conflict there) - thank you for a new word, "assuaged" --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:37, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

See the trouble you get me into? Now to ameliorate! El_C 11:39, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

going out again, sun and snow, will think about amelioration when walking --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:03, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Obligatory Here Comes Sunshine spam! El_C 12:27, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

refreshed: spam for spam (subject of my first article, which was supposed to be the only one, but it had this red link ...) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:36, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Very nice, but I still think I'm owed some Psalms-related comforting! El_C 20:38, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

"no good thing will he withhold from them that walk uprightly" --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:48, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, I like that a lot! El_C 20:49, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Sadly: more work for you, in her memory. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:02, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Guess what, BWV 1 and BWV 159 make progress. You mentioned AE. I was there, last 2015. It was so awful that I dropped all pride (and it felt like giving up walking uprightly - watch out for Psalm 110 there) and appealed (and even successfully so). Starlight on top of that archive ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:01, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

I'll take some startlight — been flying too close to the sun lately, truth be told. El_C 18:34, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

You are welcome! I made a hook, also for you.

Did you know ...

... that Universalkünstler
Arik Brauer
created paintings in Fantastic Realism,
songs in Austropop,
stage sets for the Paris Opera,
and house facades in Austria and Israel?

(17 February 2021)

One this day nine years ago, I told Voceditenore that she is a voice of opera and reason. In 2018, she said: "And, no, there haven't been infobox squabbles in ages. I personally use them all the time now for biographies and operas. There are a few diehards left, but the general attitude from both perspectives seems to have settled on live and let live." So why is it that some still can't settle on live and let live? - The next cookbook author is scheluded to appear as TFA (with a nice infobox btw, as the last), and I will keep the usual thanks to the creator for myself as insistent, but I don't understand. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:54, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Love the artwork of Arik Brauer — nicely done! Ah, the vicissitudes of infoboxen, its ebbs and and flow. What a peculiar thing it is. El_C 14:55, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

No, it doesn't. It could just ebb. In 2018, it was no concern. Why is it now? Why can't we just edit the little boxes as other content: someone adds, and if someone reverts, consensus needs to be established. Instead, someone adding, or requesting, or just asking where it went, is considered a warrior. The question where it went often goes like this: when a certain group of editors expanded an article, they collapsed it (thinking that was a compromise, but making life harder for those having physical trouble to click the "show" button). That caused a little edit-war, which was "resolved" by taking it away completely, with a discussion like this on the talk following. Ever since, we have been reminded that there was this consensus not to have one, and we are supposed to believe that. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:10, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

For sure, I am like-minded with you in that interpretation. WP:ONUS should generally be observed, like elsewhere. Indeed, there really isn't an excuse for not doing so. In theory, per WP:ARBINFOBOX2, WP:ACDS allows admins to just straight-up make it (ONUS) a requirement by adding Consensus required to intractable infobox disputes. My sense is that most admins just do not want to touch these because it usually ends up amounting to a zero-sum game, at best — myself, I don't really engage infobox disputes in an AE capacity, because the history and politics AE topic areas keep me busy enough (diff). El_C 16:19, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

There are almost no "intractable infobox disputes", really, so DS serves no purpose. The problem is that a newcomer who has no idea of a minefield is treated as a warrior. - I love your translations. We should have more us. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:36, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Ah, understood. Admittedly, I do not have a firm grasp of what's happening on the infobox front. RE: translations. Many thanks! I appreciate your praise very much. Also Val's. Strange how it took me hours and hours to do the first one, an hour to do the second one, and 30 minutes to do the third one. But I think I'm now finally satisfied with the final form of all three translations, so at least I'm done with the constant tinkering (though not to jinx it!). El_C 16:57, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

For more understanding: imagine - if you can, it takes courage - for a moment that back in 2012, the infobox had been kept as it had been for years then already. Imagine. - Certainly thanks to presentation here, Arik Brauer made it to the stats, DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:48, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Play Bach

How do you like this? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:46, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Enjoy the music, and make it last. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:18, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

(As) I always do, Gerda! Yours always, El_C 12:00, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Great music offer! - What do you think of the start of Reception, - the little prince never gives up a question. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:14, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Not usually a fan of princes, but here's one that really did music-it-up! El_C 12:17, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Agree about Johann Ernst! The Little Prince never gives up a question, "the prince has golden hair, a lovable laugh, and will repeat questions until they are answered". How do you like the beginning of reception? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:50, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

One of my favourite books growing up... Reception looks great to me. I think he did a fine job. Top tier musicology. El_C 16:54, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

I agree, but who is "he"? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:56, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

"You know, that guy — who always wore a shirt." Oh, sorry, did you write that, with him just having merged it? It's a low attention span -day today, so brace yourself! El_C 17:04, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Nonono, I could never write such a thing (+ I'm not a "he" as the writer is, and yes, the obvious "he" just merged it). Two ways to the answer: you follow the links in the edit summary (better the second), or you look at the new article's talk page. Unless you just guess why I come to you of all people with this question, and may guess right. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:17, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

A riddle — noo! There better not be a math and science test at the end of this! El_C 17:21, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

test? first question in this thread has one (!) link, leading to the initial entry of a new article, with two (but I said better second) links, with the second leading to where an estimated 95% of the content came from. [2] - a fine job, indeed, not my style, but fine. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:51, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Hoping for a D-. That would be about right. El_C 17:57, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

An unblock would do. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:55, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Gerda, for reasons which are my own, attending to this dispute, in any administrative capacity, just isn't something I wish to engage at this time. Sorry. El_C 20:42, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Understand. Appreciation of outstanding work is better. You can tell other admins where the clue is - my lead image until 2021 came, remember? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:06, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Of course, happy to pass on genuine positive impressions, always. Yes, I do. Breathtaking, primordial. El_C 22:26, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

"at times heavy to carry" (quoting myself still from the same page which also has the model for Precious, did you see? - the cabal of the outcast, - I told Bus stop four years ago, feel like Cassandre) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:06, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

And that's very much okay to express. Also, we can be in diametric opposition about whatever from time to time. That is also okay. El_C 23:20, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Advise on Rex Wilson (director)

I came across some allegations on the Rex Wilson article, and removed them as they were unsourced and of a serious nature. This isn't a BLP issue, as he's been dead for nearly 100 years. Looking into the details the allegations were added back in 2017, but went unnoticed until a different IP editor removed them in February of this year. That was reversed [in April, which I reverted in August. Once again come September the details were added back, and again I reverted.
I feel it likely the person adding and re-adding the details is the same person, they don't appear inclined to discuss the matter, and each time it's added by a different IP months apart.
So here's where I need advise. I can't report the IP as they an never the same, but asking for page protection seems pointless given the delays between each edit. However I'm basically in a extremely slow edit war, and every option seems unhelpful. Given the nature of the allegation it doesn't seem ideal to just let the matter go. If this was a BLP issue I would have asked for the revision to be revdel'd.
I've tried finding any evidence of the allegation or details of George Edward Wilson's (he's real name) later life, but without any success. Apart from the BFI link the only offer source I've found online is a death notice in a local newspaper archive that is likely related, but gives no more details. Rex certainly appears notable have directed multiple films, but due to the amount of time that has past it's very difficult to find anything. Any advise on how I should proceed? 92.5.2.97 (talk) 22:10, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
I know it's the wrong reference, but I always see Heston pretending to be dead on horseback when I see you name.

Pending-changes protected indefinitely. Also noted WP:EXTRAORDINARY in the protection summary. HTH. El_C 00:39, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Gina Carano

Hello there comrade. I cannot help but notice this remark you made in an edit summary for Gina Carano: this thing again? Which is to say: fire-and-forget graffiti by supporters and detractors alike continues unabated. This is an inaccurate assessment, and borders on bothsidesism. There is no ongoing back and forth between two sides, one being Gina Carano's supporters, and the other being her detractors. There are only supporters, who are members of a known far-right hate group that calls itself "The Fandom Menace", trying to vandalize the article and remove important information related to the social media controversy that led to her ousting from lucasfilm, in an attempt to whitewash her. There is no "other side" of "detractors", just regular contributors trying to fix the damage. Just thought you might want to know. 46.97.170.112 (talk) 09:45, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

IP, I meant edits hostile to her such as this revdel-worthy one. Hope that makes sense. El_C 12:09, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

That's not "detractors". That's a lone vandal that periodically keeps adding the same dumb jokes every few weeks. It is Gina Carano's defenders who persistently vandalize the page. And they are dedicated enough to create accounts to get around a low level protection. There is no such behavior on the part of her "detractors", partly because there are no such detractors - aside from the usual critics that are inevitable in the case of all celebrities that peddle typical q-anon bullshit. 46.97.170.112 (talk) 07:56, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Look, IP, I'm not sure what you're expecting from me at this point. When I attend to like, say, 20 RfPP listings in a row, I can't really expend an hour on each, or nothing would get done. So, rather than examine tens or even hundreds of diffs, I sample a few, thus making it is by nature a bit of a statistical approximation. Prior to the latest, I haven't looked at this page since my original Feb protection. In any case, my sampling showed disruptive editing for and against (though, granted, I didn't attempt to proportion these), hence, my summary to which you object. In short, I'm not sure an argument about a potential WP:FALSEBALANCE in my protection summary is that useful, especially if the protection action itself is good. El_C 08:09, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Perfectly understandable. I simply thought it would be wise to caution you about carelessly using the "both sides" claim. The past six years have proven how dangerous that can be, both on the internet and in real life. Take care, and have a great day. 46.97.170.112 (talk) 08:27, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Fair enough, IP. I'm not sure how avoidable such errors are, seeing as there's only about 300 of us active admins for the entire website — so with backlogs abound, expediency often takes precedence over what otherwise would be a much more careful review. In any case, thank you for sharing your perspective. Regards, El_C 08:40, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

El_C, I would note that this IP editor was taken to ANI for their talk page comments which focused on bludgeoning, picking fights etc. Based on my interactions with them I'm not at all surprised. Their view that only "the other side" is the problem is perhaps rather optimistic on their part. Similar claims were part of the basis for the ANI. Consider this claim to justify removal of content they don't like, "Hungarian academia is in fact highly partisan and has been under the thumb of the far right Orban administration for a decade".[3] Looking at the editor's behavior and the Carano topic I'm not surprised they are heavily invested in that topic. As it appears the concern is putting the article under EC keeps them from editing. Perhaps making a named account would address their edit restriction concerns. Springee (talk) 11:41, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

but both sides blame the other side! GeneralNotability (talk) 12:54, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

GN, I thought Haywire was a fun movie. Recommended. El_C 12:58, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

I think you'll find that I'm actually perfectly moderate and in the middle, and it's both sides that cause the problem because they don't agree with my (objectively true and correct) view. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:23, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

@GeneralNotability:The edit history of the Gina Carano article doesn't support this claim. The overwhelming majority of disruptive edits that led to the article being protected again, all tried to remove the same information. 46.97.170.112 (talk) 13:05, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

IP editor, my comment was a joke. GeneralNotability (talk) 13:46, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

@Springee: and I would add that the ANI you speak of derailed into bringing up old behavior from over a year ago, after it became apparent that my more recent behavior was not as bad as people made it out to be. My last edit to the Gina Carano article was a minor correction that better reflects the cited sources (and other users AGREED with me), and my comment on the Elizabeth Bathory talk page on hungarian academia is backed by reliable sources - which the user I was talking to was in agreement with. Neither of these instances involve me picking fights with anyone. The claim that I have a problem with an article getting protected is anso incorrect. If you're already keeping tabs on my edit history, you can verify for yourself that I'm usually the one asking for articles to be protected - If I want an edit made, I always take it to the talk page. And in the case of the Gina Carano article specifically, the changes I asked for were eventually done. Also, if you think my curent behavior is an issue, wouldn't it make more sense to take it up with me personally? 46.97.170.112 (talk) 12:57, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

InNeed95 did learn nothing

InNeed95 doesnt learn nothing, he still vandalizing, edit warring and POV pushing, per this Special:Contributions/InNeed95 your comment was indeed useless to InNeed95, he persists violating wiki rules and stalking other users... Aquinasthomes1 (talk) 11:09, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

What proof of "vandalism" do you have, Aquinasthomes1? Do you know what a WP:DIFF is? El_C 12:12, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

@El C: He was blocked by the admin @EdJohnston: for racist insults against Serb minority and againts other users. He has since his founding violating 3RV rule, he constant provokes edit wars, vandalizing and POV Pushing. He is absurd disruptive and visibly reverses everything Serb(ian) and even Greek, and tries to Kosovarize articles that have nothing to do with it.

• • • Just look at this:
    • He removed an important church in kosovo (in UNESCO) in cristianity of kosovo just because its serbian orthodox. [4]. This is a absurd vandalism
    • [5] This user falsified the source, novak djokvic, a serbian tennis play, does not recognise kosovo, only the Kosovo and Metohia (An Serbian province under UN), and he removes without any explanation the Republika Srpska, a Serb Majority Federation in Bosnia, falsificating the source. This is high POV ,violate the source Vandalism and violation of BLP policy
    • [6] He revert me without any explanation, and he got reverted by another user.
    • [7] He revert me with a spam summary, and if he had read what he was reverting, he wouldn't revert me.
    • This user is hides the occupation of nazist albania renaming the name, in an article about a serb(ian) orthodox church[8], this is unnaceptable
    • [9] Another example of vandalism that resulted a block
    • [10] another POV
    • [11] Holy See doesnt recoginises the republic of kosovo(Holy See–Serbia relations), and the user put POV and unsourced claim, literaly denyng Holy See Position, Basis of the article.
    • [12] this user blanks his talk page just to be unnoticed by the administrators.
    • [13] Here his block by admin.
    • [14] about serbia, he started inserting pov [15]

• • he said that he was wrong in [16], but repeat again [17]

• • he tries to albanize greeks inserting pov [18][19]

• • clearly not here to contribute to wikipedia, just gaming and edit warring. He should be blocked indef.

Aquinasthomes1 (talk) 13:03, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Aquinasthomes1, one diff that shows "vandalism," please. Sometime, less is more. El_C 13:17, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks

Just wanted to shoot you a quick thanks. I see you doing admin work all over the place, and generally trying to keep spirits high and cut down on unnecessary drama when you can. Obviously, not everyone appreciates your sense of humor, but at least you're trying to add some levity. Anyway, know that people you don't really interact with see and appreciate what you do. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:29, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the thanks, ScottishFinnishRadish! I'll take your show of support as a stern commitment to future claymore deactivation on my behalf. Congrats, you have been con-scripted! El_C 20:44, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Any time. I've always been a bit of a Leroy Jenkins. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:51, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Nice. Together, we shall keep that pool closed! El_C 20:56, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Keep on climbin'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St3kjsmOQQE Narky Blert (talk) 22:32, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Dude, I swear to God, for a second I thought that maybe you've just VERY IMPORTANT ABOVE! LISA'd me, but them are lottery odds. Still, Ted Hawkins is also good! What a voice. Velvet and rust. El_C 23:08, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Good, wasn't he? Narky Blert (talk) 23:12, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Great, even. El_C 23:19, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Request

Hi El C, sorry to bother you. Can you have a look at this report regarding disruptive IPs. Thanks a lot. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 12:56, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Paper9oll, I've seen it, but I'm not that adept at range blocking, so didn't really have that much to contribute. Regards, El_C 13:02, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

@El C If range blocking is not possible, it is possible to request you to help to just block the 4 mentioned IPs? — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 13:08, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Paper9oll, what I'm trying to say is that this should be determined by someone who knows more about range blocking (of which there are two here) than me. El_C 13:11, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

@El C Ok understood, will wait for next admin to come by. Thanks you for the help. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 13:15, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Minar-e-Pakistan

Greetings,

Since August ending are in communication (your comment @ my talk page) about #En masse public molestation and sexual violence against women.

In spite of reasonable effort from my side that includes communicating with content deleting IP's talk pages as well as related project talk pages, and couple of user talk pages from article history there is no response from content deletionist side.

One response which I received on my talk page supports encyclopedic notability of the incidence, but had some other query which has been answered by me.

Since it is almost 3 weeks there is no communication from deletion side I suppose Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle supported by semi protection might lead to the discussion, please do suggest.

Thanks and warm regards

Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 12:40, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

@Bookku: that's plenty of time for them to respond, so they could effectively be seen to have forfeited their position on the matter, while you retain standing. HTH. El_C 12:44, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Austria-Hungary

Thanks for protecting the page. There’s been a slow edit war on that for about a year. Something more than a 4 day lock is probably needed…but I don’t know what. DeCausa (talk) 13:24, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

No problem. Yeah, I didn't know that it was that longstanding. I'm not sure what to advise right now as I'm operating with very little background info. El_C 13:35, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Well, if you want some background (?) … there’s basically 2 camps. One believes that the flag in the infobox should be what’s called the “civil ensign” (which is an amalgam of Austrian and Hungarian symbolism) and the other believes that’s not a “real” flag, that there was no Austria-Hungary flag and only the two separate flags of Austria and Hungary should be shown. I’m not sure why the two camps get so upset about it. It may be connected with some sort of local modern POV that I’ve never been able to fathom or it may be just the normal WP pedantry-syndrome. Historically, the civil ensign was the flag shown in the infobox for many years.

Then it kicked off about 3 years ago - there was an RfC in 2019 to include the Austrian and Hungarian flags as well as the ensign - that was “no consensus”. I think for a while all 3 did appear. And then for about the last year it’s flicked back and forth in a slow edit war between only the 2 flags and only the civil ensign. There’s about 5 or 6 editors regularly involved but SPAs regularly show up too. Then a month or so ago another Rfc was opened on it and just closed as again “no consensus”. There was quite a lot of socking, new account SPA participation etc. (For disclosure: I opted for the civil ensign but I don’t care that much.)

The problem now is it’s completely unclear what the status quo ante the RfC is for the article to “go back to” - there’s been so much edit-warring over the last year. RandomCanadian proposed on the talk page that to fix that there be no flag at all until a consensus emerges and I supported that - and the latest reverts were the civil ensign camp putting it back in disagreement with that approach. That’s it in a nutshell - a total mess! DeCausa (talk) 14:04, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

I see. Thanks for explaining. Yeah, for sure, if it's even unclear which (flag) version is the longstanding and which one is the contending one, then indeed, that is quite a mess. Also, RE: I’m not sure why the two camps get so upset about it. It may be connected with some sort of local modern POV that I’ve never been able to fathom or it may be just the normal WP pedantry-syndrome — it can be two things! Regards, El_C 14:22, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Yep, total mess; which is why I suggested that no consensus = no flags; exactly to prevent this kind of utterly silly edit-warring; and as I was saying on the talk page over there, because the last thing we need is an RfC to determine what was the consensus before... As for pedantry, seems like the less obscure a topic is, the more of this kind of nonsense happens (hence why you don't see this on stuff like wonderful Baroque music). RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 15:21, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

But the timeline for the contested changes exists, so... ultimately, it should be explicable, no? El_C 15:34, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Well, this would probably require going a fair bit back in time. See [20] for a compilation of diffs from September last year. I have my doubts that this has been a perpetual edit-war, based on the following evidence:

• A flag was first added to the article back in 2003 ([21] - the corresponding file is long deleted (apparently for reasons of "OR"; so I have no clue what it was - you might be able to help); this was then removed at some point in 2004; skipping through a bit you get to this 2006 version; which includes all of them (war ensign, civil ensign, flags of austria and of hungary, and two coats of arms); then you get to this "new infobox" (only civil ensign); promptly removed less than a month later; added back in here...
• Seems to have been some further edit warring in early 2007 [22]. The civil-ensign then stayed in until March 2008; at which point it was removed by bot ([23]) for being a duplicate file but shortly re-added ([24]); until being changed again by an IP in July of the same year and then removed entirely ([25]); changed again in August. Further edit-warring (with of course the good old claim of "vandalism") in September.
• This seems to then have stayed as is for a while; with the next change being simply this change to an svg version of the same flag (civil ensign). The next significant change was to the war ensign (also "Naval ensign"); January 2011; but reverted back less than two weeks later ([26]).
• There's no significant change over the next five years. Unrelated to that; there's an interesting section on "Flags" (Special:Permalink/710231654#Flags which could potentially be added back in (this was suggested by some in the RfC).
• The first significant change in 8 years came when a discussion was closed, and this resulted in the addition of an additional flag (still keeping the civil ensign); although this was promptly reverted because the closure of the discussion was "no consensus". This is how the page remained for a bit; including when you appear to have first edited it, [27]. Thereafter, there was an edit war in early August 2020, which led to the inclusion, in order, of A)the civil ensign ([28]); B) both civil ensign and Habsburg/Austrian flag ([29]); C) stonewalling back to the civil ensign [30]); D) the "national flags" variant ([31]).
• This edit war seems to have ended after a discussion which resulted in the removal of the civil ensign (Talk:Austria-Hungary/Archive_5#Request_for_comments_on_correction_of_the_flag); although the arguments seem rather weak and I don't see too much besides personal opinion (note that there was no independent close of that discussion, either, and it was not an RfC, so it's worth not too much). This didn't last long; as it was changed (back to civil ensign) and back in October; in November ([32]); then there was this (in February of this year); with the civil ensign back (but not at the same place), in addition to the other two; but this was then removed here.
• From there on you can it is rather clear from the edit history that there was further disruption in regards to this point. This ultimately led to this; which led to the RfC; which led to this; which led to this.

In short, there's a fair case to say that there was a previous consensus for the civil ensign; but that this was disputed recently; and the new consensus is "no consensus"; whatever that means as far as "which flag goes in the infobox" being unclear. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 16:50, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

I see (again). Thanks for explaining. Yeah, for sure, seeing as the RfC question wasn't phrased as should X be changed into Y (with X being the longstanding version), the water sure stayed muddied in this latest iteration. Regards, El_C 17:12, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

I would've protected the article for 6-months, with no flag or symbol in the infobox. After six-months, a perma-semi-protection. Oh well, you've more patience then I :) GoodDay (talk) 17:29, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

It wasn't patience. Again, I just didn't realize it was such a perennial problem when I protected. El_C 18:07, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

I was also going to suggest at least permanent SP (as nearly always present for modern countries, and quite often for recent [one century is still rather recent] historical entities), based on this but also other disruption. Feel free to do what you want with the article and the temporary full protection; though if you're going to keep the flag as is then you could as least properly identify it as the 'Civil ensign'. Cheers, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 18:35, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Apropos of nothing

Homeopathic A&E. Narky Blert (talk) 20:52, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Whoa, that's strong stuff! El_C 01:32, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Question

Hi El C. Firstly, hope you aren't too bothered by this from yesterday. I was so confused when I read that, only thing that came to my mind was this (especially when I later took a look at their page and previous conversation with you).

Anyhow, my good friend SonofJacob was back. They started to edit-war (again) in Zakarid Armenia with an uninvolved user over their AfD result, who (rightfully) closed the AfD as speedy keep. Here are the diffs, it's quite funny actually (maybe sad who knows): [33], [34], [35].

Here comes the best part tho: When they finally reached the 3rd revert, they created another account to cirumvent yet another 3RR breach, see user Mukvani16 (talk · contribs) and their glorious two edits: [36], [37].

It was such an obvious WP:DUCK that the AfD closer themself opened an SPI investigation/SonofJacob. Finally, my question is, why was the SPI closed exactly? It had so many red flags and was a very obvious WP:DUCK case, and as you can see from the AfD, it isn't only my opinion. I asked Callanecc to kindly explain and maybe consider reopening, and showed them the previous issues with SonofJacob. I haven't got a reply to my latest message (understandably, it's weekends), so I hoped you could shed some light. Thanks in advance and best regards, ZaniGiovanni (talk) 23:15, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Hey ZaniGiovanni. I'm good, thanks for asking. In answer to your question: the reason I've never applied for CU or OS permissions and am unlikely to do so in the future is because I don't really care for having the extra rulesets. Accordingly, I can't really comment on the considerations made by an admin who is operating with those rulesets in mind. But at any rate, looks like Callanecc has now responded to your query. El_C 01:35, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Question

Hi El C. I noticed that you reverted Sjalel per WP:ARBPIA4 on Jul 13, 2020 regarding the Mandaeans article. The user appears to be making the same type of edits now for Mandaeism and also citing articles, but changing their meaning as they did in Mandaeism on Sep 16, 2021. I tried to change one such edit. Are these types of edits allowed? Thanks Mcvti (talk) 23:37, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Mcvti. My Jul 2020 revert concerned their addition which mentioned the "Palestinian origin theory," but at a glance, I'm not seeing how these latest edits are likewise ARBPIA in nature (possibly I missed it). El_C 01:38, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, if you take a look at 06:41, 16 September 2021 in Mandaeism, Sjalel again rejects Palestinian origin theory as they did in their edit on Jul 13, 2020 regarding the Mandaeans without providing a reliable source. Also adding a similar edit at 07:26, 16 September 2021 in Mandaeism without a source. Thank you Mcvti (talk) 02:11, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Mcvti, I can't find that edit. Please just cite the pertinent WP:DIFFs. El_C 02:15, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Not sure if I am posting the page correctly, here is the link as edited by Sjalel [[38]], the source cited does not provide the info that was posted. Again, in this page [[39]], the user adds "In addition to Edmondo Lupieri, Edwin Yamauchi and Christa Müller-Kessler both argue that the Mandaeans originate from Babylonia as a non-Jewish sect." without providing a source. Mcvti (talk) 02:31, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Mcvti, I don't really understand those additions as this isn't a subject with which I am too familiar. Still not seeing the ARBPIA connection there, either. El_C 02:35, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

OK, thanks anyway Mcvti (talk) 02:37, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Corrin, etc

As info I've applied a couple of wide range blocks that may help with this LTA. Edit: At least for a bit. I looked further back on Corrin now and see how bad this one has been. -- ferret (talk) 13:12, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Oh, there's just one? Sorry, I didn't pick up on that. El_C 13:14, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Possibly some others mixed in but from what I can tell this one guy has been hitting a set of 4-5 articles all year long in bursts. -- ferret (talk) 13:16, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

I see. Not to be Western-centric, but a bit too anime'y for my liking. I like my RPGs with long-bearded wizards and shit (FF excepted). El_C 13:22, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Request protection

Can you protect the National Democratic Party of Germany page? Repeated disruption (maybe even considered vandalism) by an IP user [40]. ZaniGiovanni (talk) 15:53, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Also, this IP 185.30.88.216 (talk · contribs) keeps adding unsourced POV and removing sourced info in AA articles. ZaniGiovanni (talk) 16:01, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Honestly, ZaniGiovanni, I'd rather pick and choose which requests to attend to. I don't really wish for my talk page to be a spillover for AIV/RFPP/ANI/AE. Thanks in advance. Regards, El_C 17:02, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

IP editing a protected page, impressive

Probably happened at the same time you protected it, so he just sneaked through. I'm sure it ends now, thanks. Ifnord (talk) 21:12, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Right, that's what I figured, too. But still funny. El_C 21:13, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks and Help, please?

Thanks for intervening on Godzilla vs Kong. However, the person that was edit warring left this (1) and this (2) on my talk page. He could get temporarily banned for these, right? Armegon (talk) 21:52, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Warned. El_C 22:05, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks re Dhar Mann

Just wanted to say thanks for dealing with the Dhar Mann salt issue. Have a great day! snood1205^{(Say Hi! (talk))} 23:15, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

You're most welcome, snood1205. FYI: there's a new Dhar Mann challenger, which cranks the insanity to 11! Plus, there's an Engrish bonus. El_C 00:44, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Assistance

If user:Idris Munaf Shaikh2 agrees, would you consider moving the List of Indian battles to their sandbox for them? It is in dire need of references, proper linking(to battles instead of people, places, or things), and overall verification.

Once it is moved can the current version be deleted or will that require a more complicated resolution? --Kansas Bear (talk) 15:49, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Wouldn't the WP:DRAFT space be better? But, certainly, if they consent to that, that'd be the path of least resistance. Fowler&fowler, sourcing aside (aside!), how does the veracity of that list article looks to you (even if only at a glance)? El_C 15:58, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Dealers choice. As long as the editor in question knows how to get to it(new user, I'm assuming).--Kansas Bear (talk) 16:00, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

:) Riddled with grade inflation it is (though not all the fault of the author; WP has done that already), every belligerent is an "Empire." It would be better if they named the person commanding each side, rather than the abstract empire they were fighting for. The early ones are legendary wars, described in mythological accounts. Some of the later ones, especially involving India and Pakistan, make India come out on top. I wonder how they would characterize 2019 Balakot airstrike. Has too many battles to be useful in an encyclopedia. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 16:20, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Fowler&fowler, thanks for the prompt assistance. For sure, it's of an inordinate length. But, of course, that could be remedied by splitting (some way, somehow) and refining, no? Though, it sounds like it'd be a lot of work, so maybe worth posting about it at WP:IN to see if there's interest in developing that. Kansas Bear, sorry, didn't look at that user talk page until now because... stuff? Otherwise, moving to draft space and will drop the author a note about it. El_C 16:33, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Draft:List of Indian battles. El_C 16:34, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Awesome. Thanks El_C! --Kansas Bear (talk) 16:36, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Yes, I was thinking about splitting it as well. Could be conveniently split into Ancient, Medieval, and Modern or somesuch. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 16:52, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Yes, dropping a note at WT:INDIA would be good. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 16:53, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Sounds promising. I noted the possible criteria for splitting on the author's talk page, albeit vaguely: User_talk:Idris_Munaf_Shaikh2#List_of_Indian_battles_now_a_draft. El_C 16:58, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Noted WP:IN, as well! El_C 16:58, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

My sincerest thanks to both of you! --Kansas Bear (talk) 17:01, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Amendment request: Nicoljaus, indef topic ban declined

The amendment request Amendment request: Nicoljaus, indef topic ban, has been declined by the Committee. You can review the closed amendement request here. For the Arbitration Committee, firefly ( t · c ) 12:00, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Gerda's September corner

September songs

Omas gegen Rechts - enjoy strong women! I thought of Yoninah on the first day of Rosh Hashanah. I hope you could help your friend. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:41, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

These unstoppable grannies are da best! A ray of light in my day. Thanks, yeah, helped for a while, but now someone else has picked up the slack. One way or another, we'll figure it out. El_C 00:49, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Good news, thank you! Could you please help us to Psalm 16 text? (Psalm 15 next). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:15, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

I am WT:QAI/Psalms -on it. El_C 21:53, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Good to glow. El_C 21:59, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Taken with thanks! - Rich Main page today: first TFA by promising author, pictured DYK by my friend LouisAlain who is discouraged by an AN discussion, and one of the Recent deaths. Enjoy! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:45, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Oh cool. Was always fascinated by him. I learned a lot from that article, in its various iterations, and looks like its time to read it once more! El_C 18:04, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Argh, should have said for long — lulz oversight. El_C 14:55, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

no problem, understood ;) - I like the author. - On 9/11, two meaningful DYK, you'll find them (or see my talk) - I gave today#s Precious to the one who built that set and many many more, in Yoninah's foot steps. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:20, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Nice. Ah, the Flight 93 article, that brings me back. But an EEng thing that's absent an image macro? I think he might be losing his touch. Or maybe images being superseded by video spam technology? To that: EEng, in advance, I don't remember asking you a God damn thing! Standard EEng angrily emoji follows → El_C 15:59, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

I have not the foggiest idea what you're talking about. EEng 14:15, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Sadness turns to extra-sadness. El_C 14:26, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Anger turns to sadness. El_C 16:19, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

?? - today: the day of bold red and black, for Dante who died 700 years ago, and Peter Fleischmann who died recently, leaving us films full of vision. Dante: just heard Inferno, imagined by a woman, the main character both speaking and singing with an inner 4-part voice! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:32, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Cool. Coincidentally, I re-read a Hebrew translation of Dan Brown's Inferno last month, which, fuck the haters, I like. BTW, the Israeli Association for Nature Photographers did their annual members' pick of pic of the year. Check it out, I think you'll like (all images are within Israel proper, or proper'ish, at least): https://www.ynet.co.il/environment-science/article/s14krn11gf El_C 00:49, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Amazing pics. So many creatures looking at me I have no idea what they are! For the beauty of the earth - The lady-bug on poppy matches the Dante talk colours best. I'll go now and switch to today's classic black&white. I experienced the conductor - listening - with the student orchestra. Keep my talk watched, more to come, and while this one is even pictured on the Main page, I'll take care of more red&black, and green, on my talk for those without image. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:10, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Will do. That is sleeping on a flower! El_C 06:15, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

as you probably saw already, today moar music, Beethoven, and my brother was in the orchestra, 10 July! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:20, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Double cool! Sorry, I forgot to look. You may now refer to me as Broken Promise Man. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ El_C 12:01, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

I promise more finds for the days to come, and I refer to you as El C ;) - This particular hook took weeks to pass, and some others the same, and then they all appear in a row it seems. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:05, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

promised: the next chapter, about chance --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:10, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Nice! Dumb guy over here. For some (not-enough-coffee, probably) reason, I misread "chance" as dance, and for minutes I just couldn't figure out what was happening! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ El_C 11:06, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Nasser

Really don't think that article should be E/C'd, yes he was a major figure in the A/I conflict, but he was so much more than that and the article covers wayyyyyy more than Israel related things. Think that should fall under the partially related part of things. nableezy - 15:24, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Of course. That's not what the protection implies. My rational followed so many of the disputes I sampled having been ARBPIA in nature. With the "related content" expansion of ARBPIA4, expect to see more ARBPIA protections of this nature. A random example I noticed in passing is Yair Lapid (who is usually seen as even less ARBPIA'y than Nasser), which CambridgeBayWeather opted to ARBPIA. In fact, there's ARBPIA "related content" protections that are far stranger (which is to say, strange outright). El_C 15:39, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

BTW, Nableezy, when I ARBPIA ECP pages that are not "primary articles," I nearly always add a "related content" note to the protection summary. I think the reason I failed to do that with Nasser may have been because it was in the midst of a ~40 protection requests marathon at RfPP (might have overexerted myself somewhat). El_C 16:28, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Well Jesus that clarification escalated things dramatically. Hadnt seen it but your protection makes sense in that case. nableezy - 22:01, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Good talk. El_C 22:04, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Wash Phillips

Lift Him Up. Bonus marks if you know what instrument he played without looking it up. Narky Blert (talk) 21:52, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Alex, I'll take Washboard (musical instrument) for 500. El_C 22:04, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Dolceola, WTF? El_C 22:07, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

One of two broken ones, which kindly white folks had given him. Narky Blert (talk) 22:48, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Heh, for a second, I misread "kindly white folks" as kind whitey folks. Hurrah! RIP Whitey the bunny. El_C 22:54, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Just a heads up, if you need a new rabbit I can take care of that for you. I got 14 fresh ones, barely a week old. I'll give you one if you make ScottishFinnishRadish's Wholesome Rabbitry a blue link. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:34, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Cool, that's a few. Breeding like... Is there a racist one? Asking for a friend whose into re-education (not stews). El_C 23:43, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

I'm sure I can indoctrinate one for you. A steady diet of am talk radio and a subscription to the Gribble report should do. I could probably wrangle up a homophobic quail too. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:48, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

I was reminded by someone with a better memory than my own that my white pet rabbit's name was actually Mister Whitey, because... respectable. El_C 16:38, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

About an article you protected

Thanks for protecting Mickey Mouse Clubhouse, (I requested it after noticing significant amounts of disruptive edits relating to massive fan cruft, and not the kind TV Tropes would like) but it seems that didn't do jack. Our disruptive editor seems to go right through the autoconfirmed wall. I just noticed that someone credited DHX Media (turns out they didn't get the memo it's actually called WildBrain now) for the series. Also, producers Sarah Wall and Kirsten Newlands have been added onto Dee Bradley Baker (Boo Boo Chicken and Coco the Monkey) and Nika Futterman's (the singing lock from season 4, episode 20, "Mickey's Monster Musical") credits respectively. I really don't wanna start an edit war. That would ruin my good standing.

Namethatisnotinuse Namethatisnotinuse (talk) 22:20, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

@Namethatisnotinuse: WTF? Boo-Boo isn't a chicken, he's a bear! El_C 22:29, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

No, in Mickey Mouse Clubhouse, he's a chicken. Link to picture of character Namethatisnotinuse Namethatisnotinuse (talk) 23:32, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Sacrilege! El_C 23:36, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

You

You're not dumb, you're a genius. Thank you for your edits. Also, Hey. Lostfan333 (talk) 22:45, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Dumb guy genius now? Hurrah! El_C 22:49, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Nice Lostfan333 (talk) 00:21, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

Pramod Bhagat

Hi, I saw you fully protected this page a week ago because of disruption caused by changing birth place. But unfortunately the unconfirmed or IP accounts continue to vandalize the article by adding wrong information. Can you please see this problem. Thankyou. 🌌Zoglophie🌌 14:20, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

K. El_C 16:34, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

Americana

Pearly Brown, possibly the last of the blind singing preachers. Docu.

Britiana isn't a thing, but I'm minded to give you a couple of examples. Narky Blert (talk) 18:32, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

Nice. Looks like it's a blues sort of day. I actually started watching season 2 of Britannia (sp.) a few days ago, so good timing, as always. El_C 18:43, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

That voice! (and I'm a sucker for bottleneck). Narky Blert (talk) 19:32, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

IP you blocked

You issued this IP their second block not that long ago.[41] They are still at it, it seems.[42]-[43] - LouisAragon (talk) 12:16, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

LouisAragon, April 9 is long ago for me. I'm having a hard time remembering anything from that incident, or following the material currently contested, with which I'm not too familiar with to begin with. El_C 12:24, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

You're right. I'll elaborate. They insist, though edit-warring, that the area of western Georgia (i.e. historic Colchis) was not part of the Achaemenid Empire, despite the modern-day academic point of view. They try to remove all Achaemenid maps from the article that show the area of western Georgia/Coclhis as part of the empire. They use 19th-century maps (by George Rawlinson) in order to interpret that the maps, based on modern-day WP:RS and/or consensus are somehow illegitimate. Bear in mind, they enforce this narrative not through discussion or whatsoever, but through their edit summaries while removing and reverting. The most recent, comprehensive works on the Achaemenid period debunk their narrative in any case:

• "The situation is reminiscent of Colchis and Caucasian Iberia. Once, it was inconceivable that they had been under Achaemenid rule; now, ever more evidence is emerging to show that they were, forming a lesser part of the Armenian satrapy -- Gocha R. Tsetskhladze, The Northern Black Sea (2021). in A companion to the Achaemenid Persian Empire, Bruno Jacobs, Robert Rollinger (eds). Wiley Blackwell. p. 665
• "From this we may infer similar political conditions in modern south‐western Azerbaijan as those prevalent during the Achaemenid period in eastern Georgia, Colchis, and Armenia. " -- same source, p. 676
• "It is increasingly recognized that Colchis was also part of the Achaemenid Empire, forming with Caucasian Iberia a lesser part of the Armenian satrapy" -- (2014). A Companion to Ethnicity in the Ancient Mediterranean. Jeremy McInerney, ed. John Wiley and Sons. p. 332

Their entire editorial pattern (which got them blocked in the first place), is loaded with a tunnel vision-like pro-Georgian narrative, which enforces them to violate WP:TENDENTIOUS. And no, I don't think supposed concerns about WP:RECENCY has got anything to do with their concerns at the Achaemenid Empire page (feel free to take a look at the edits they have made at other pages). - LouisAragon (talk) 12:47, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

Amidst their ongoing campaign at Achaemenid Empire: "Until you show me the source where it says that Colchis was in Satrapy and part of the Achaemenid Empire, until then I will always deleted these fake maps."[44] - LouisAragon (talk) 12:58, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

Blocked – for a period of 3 months. El_C 13:08, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

Idle thought

Ever look around Wikipedia, see the depth of so much nonsense and wonder if your are wasting your time trying to push back on the sea? - jc37 17:01, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

Never. When it comes to the ocean, I have a good spoon! El_C 17:12, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

(looks at my eye dropper) - They gave you a spoon?! - jc37 17:33, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

I've thought this myself from time to time. It's why I have no problem just removing an article from my watchlist and ignoring it when dealing with a problem editor that's not so much of a problem as to actually get sanctioned. There's so much nonsense going on all the time that there's really no reason to set up a fort to defend my hill of shit on a giant plain of shit. There will always be more shit to work on, so why deal with shit that's stressful or wastes your time. That's why I wrote Shit flow diagram, to explain how to go along with shit, instead of eating it when it hits the fan. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:16, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

(rofl) - I, I, I cannot believe that that article exists... - jc37 17:35, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

I determined about a month into serious editing that it was going to be the first article I wrote. Luckily researching for this AfD led me to the land of milk and honey that is Shit flow diagrams, and I knew it was made for me. I had the highest viewed non lead DYK in August, too! ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:45, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

Lol - jc37 17:49, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

Sockpuppetry

You blocked User:Pritam kumar roni das for lack of communication and copyright infringement is back and engaged in sockpuppetry. The new accounts are

• Pritam das 01022000 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• Pritam Das 2000 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Thanks. 42.105.4.65 (talk) 17:33, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

• (talk page watcher) The duck couldn't be quacking louder. I've tagged one of the pages at RfPP, the other one probably warrants it too. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 17:37, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

Got it. El_C 17:53, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

AFAICS the pages aren't protected yet; and job half done is as good as none :). RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 18:25, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

Explain the physics behind that dress. I predict that solving this equation will lead to a new paradigm: the Theory of a couple of things. El_C 19:13, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

I prefer musical theory - however, like everything else, that was broken down and made into something far too complex (like physics theories) in the 20th-century. re. fruit basket: actually, how inconvenient timing of yours, there's a lone apple tree in my backyard, but I'm afraid that there's not much left of the delicious harvest... Now, what I can offer: have any musical work you're fond of that is missing a suitable recording here on Wiki (piano, harpsichord or organ)? RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 21:47, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

Who Has Seen The Wind? El_C 21:57, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

I'd gladly help, but it's likely still under copyright and that brings other issues (Performing rights), even if I could actually find the version in question. Also the only article here I can find is about the version by Yoko Ono. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 22:11, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

El_C 22:30, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

Page move help

Hi El, can you please move North American A-36 Apache to North American A-36? The move discussion has been closed as "Move", but the article is still move-protected. Thanks. BilCat (talk) 20:12, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

K. El_C 20:16, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

Destiny

See also: User:El C/Songs from new lands, User:El C/Songs from the homeland

A blast from the past! (circa 2002). El_C 08:40, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Longing for Home (circa 2008). El_C 11:34, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

For when just plain Distractions are afoot. El_C 16:54, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Spinning over simple things. El_C 08:17, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Oceanic feeling

Everyone is Everyone (and Everything is Everything). El_C 23:02, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Lyrics:

(Intro) Somehow I found myself here today Awakened to these thoughts and feelings Or an oceanic sense of lucid dreaming? A strange sort of spherical sensation With an overwhelming sense of apprehension An emptiness that thunders out From beyond the mind's horizon So far beyond our reach Where consciousness coalesces Like the billowing loom of thunder clouds The streaming runs of thought goes 'Round and 'round and 'round Till the dancing funnels of wind touch down And the earth bows down in reverence Lest it should be torn to pieces And blown into oblivi-essence And all who live will run and hide And do what we’ve done since the dawn of time Everyone flees from the cyclone winds of One's own mind But if one day we should stand on the canyon’s edge Peer out through the beating rain, the pounding wind You'll find that everyone is everyone And everything is everything (Verse one) Open up Your hearts and minds 'Cause I remember Nothing One day now It all falls down But love must keep on Loving So start the show Here we go (Chorus) Dark to light The day from night A roll of a mountain A rip in the sky Turning the dust to flesh And ashes to breath A pull of a muscle A pin in the eye An initial spark To get this heart of mine pumping And another To get these feet of mine running But sadly they've just taken me To a place Where all is devoid Of your embrace So baby now we're falling Baby now you're falling Baby yeah, yeah Baby now we're falling, baby yeah Tripping and tumbling Flipping and fumbling Flowing on the rivers of sadness That have been forever rumbling But from dawn until now Of all the paths that I could have gone down Of all the valleys That I could have been flowing through In spite of all the chaos And all that has come between us How is it I still find myself Here with you (Outro) So somehow we find ourselves here today A feeling in this oceanic sense of lucid dreaming A strange sort of spherical sensation An emptiness that thunders out From beyond the mind's horizon And all of us, we run and hide Do what we've done since the dawn of time Peering out through the beating rain The pounding wind Everyone is everyone And everything is everything

Serrado. El_C 23:33, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Live with Me. El_C 23:52, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

River Man. El_C 00:05, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Memories of Spain

Tomatito & Michel Camilo (2000)

Hooni (2012)

Olivier Castellat (2010)

Stevie Wonder (2008 live)

Gary Valenciano (2017 vocals)

Chick Corea and Return to Forever (1973 original) / Live performance (date unknown, but laterer)

El_C 23:29, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Chick and Hiromi my 2p. regards. -Roxy the sycamore. wooF 16:20, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Resting: a compilation

Flite — El_C 10:06, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Void — El_C 15:01, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

What Is This — El_C 18:16, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

WhipTail — El_C 10:53, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Tell Me Where — El_C 10:03, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Nothing Nice — El_C 22:25, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Posição — El_C 10:05, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Quiet Nights — El_C 10:08, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Feel Free — El_C 02:02, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Dear Limmertz (Hello, guitar! Hello, Good Waves) — El_C 10:11, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

Que Se Sepa — El_C 10:14, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Mina Do Condominio — El_C 10:04, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

On Sight — El_C 10:06, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

The return of Remix surfing

Be Honest — El_C 22:47, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

Wade in the Water — El_C 22:47, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

Summertime Ride — El_C 22:47, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

This Thing — El_C 22:47, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

Barrio — El_C 16:51, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

Maybe I'll be Tracer... — El_C 16:42, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

O Mary Don't You Weep — El_C 11:40, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Love Intersection — El_C 18:52, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Inside — El_C 05:46, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Cosmix — El_C 15:42, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Let Me In — El_C 15:11, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Find You — El_C 13:23, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Bossa 31 — El_C 16:36, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Recado Bossa Nova — El_C 13:01, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Just The Two Of Us — El_C 00:56, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Unless You Love Me — El_C 11:33, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

A New Born Day — El_C 11:33, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Inspiration Zone El_C 11:33, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Elektric City — El_C 13:50, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Kiss from a Rose — El_C 06:22, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Golden — El_C 09:13, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Mozalounge — El_C 20:47, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Sorrow — El_C 13:57, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

Be With You — El_C 14:06, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Everybody Knows — El_C 10:42, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Butterfly — El_C 01:14, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Guilty Pleasure — El_C 09:13, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Blue Bossa — El_C 15:27, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Legend — El_C 18:40, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Who — El_C 05:41, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Losing My Way ^{London (2019)} — El_C 15:05, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Love Forever — El_C 16:20, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Brother to Brother — El_C 01:48, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

'Round Midnight — El_C 06:03, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Close Your Eyes — El_C 18:13, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Shut Up 'n Play Yer Guitar

Whipping Post→Mountain Jam — El_C 23:02, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Into the Sun — El_C 14:36, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

April — El_C 14:50, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

Desire And The Comforter — El_C 04:32, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Fire on the Mountain — El_C 12:51, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

A Go Go — El_C 14:33, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Broken Promised Land — El_C 15:18, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Mediterranean Sundance / Rio Ancho — El_C 18:56, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Eternity's Breath, Pt. 1, Pt. 2 — El_C 21:37, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Say the Brother's Name — El_C 22:16, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Drifting — El_C 22:46, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

The Epic — El_C 05:19, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Little Wing — El_C 13:14, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Bold As Love — El_C 13:32, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Moonlight Sonata (3rd Movement), Tina S ^{Dr.Viossy — El_C 16:44, 28 July 2021 (UTC)}

Reba, Brother, Glide, Rift — El_C 22:08, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

How Insensitive (Wes Montgomery), Pat Martino, Grant Green — El_C 02:35, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

White Rabbit — El_C 13:00, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Telegraph Road — El_C 21:47, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Yours Is the Light — El_C 23:59, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Burning Bridges → Mudmen — El_C 13:42, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

16/16 — El_C 03:25, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

Achilles Last Stand — El_C 12:07, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

La Grange — El_C 03:05, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

White Room — El_C 00:26, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Tupelo (Albert King, Pops Staples, Steve Cropper), JLH — El_C 00:49, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Mr. Soul — El_C 03:06, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

My Inspiration — El_C 12:51, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Our Spanish Love Song — El_C 20:36, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Change of Life — El_C 02:07, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Reunion — El_C 12:59, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Montevideo — El_C 02:01, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Recado Bossa Nova — El_C 02:20, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Treacherous Cretins (studio), Copenhagen (1979) — El_C 12:08, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Arabia→Hasta Siempre, Comandante→Arabia — El_C 20:59, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Dark Star — El_C 16:42, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Tangled Up in Blue — El_C 02:27, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Face to Face (masks save lives) — El_C 13:11, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Blue Bossa — El_C 22:26, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Under the Milky Way — El_C 12:51, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Wish You Were Here (studio), Pulse — El_C 02:30, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Albert's Shuffle, His Holy Modal Majesty — El_C 14:09, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Cārukeśī, Sunset Road (studio) / Sunset Road (Live Art) — El_C 09:17, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Gimme Shelter — El_C 17:02, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

The Great Gig in the Sky (Pulse) — El_C 20:09, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Eyes of The World — El_C 03:46, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Morning Dew — El_C 14:26, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Blue Sky → Kind of Bird — El_C 18:23, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

I'm Troubled → Been All Around This World — El_C 14:52, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

While My Guitar Gently Weeps (JHB) — El_C 14:24, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

La Sirena — El_C 12:01, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

The Landlady — El_C 12:58, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Dope-A-Licious — El_C 00:09, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Air

Unveiled — El_C 15:36, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Portia — El_C 23:55, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

El Niño — El_C 00:29, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Jungle Strut — El_C 09:06, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Dialogos → San Lazaro — El_C 16:42, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Love Has Come Around — El_C 13:07, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

In a Sentimental Mood — El_C 14:20, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

Blue Rondo à la Turk — El_C 22:06, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

La Fiesta — El_C 10:54, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

Yes, It Has No Chance (etc.) — El_C 12:47, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

Mr. Skin — El_C 13:13, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Manhã de Carnaval — El_C 21:22, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Dawn: Dawn Is A Feeling — El_C 11:22, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

In My Own Way — El_C 19:24, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Caged Bird — El_C 10:36, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Around the Bend — El_C 15:56, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

House of the Rising Sun — El_C 00:25, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Prism #1 — El_C 11:41, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Water

Deep down → Secret Blue — El_C 18:19, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Familiar — El_C 05:54, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Feel It All Around — El_C 11:28, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

What If This Storm Ends? — El_C 18:34, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Promise — El_C 23:27, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Breathless — El_C 09:56, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Waves — El_C 17:45, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Power of Love → Vision is a Naked Sword — El_C 00:04, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Running Away — El_C 11:45, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

On a Clear Day (You Can See Forever) — El_C 23:37, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Jack-A-Roe — El_C 11:16, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Fall songspam

All Along the Watchtower — El_C 04:10, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

Oh My God! — El_C 00:25, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Poetry — El_C 12:05, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Paroles, paroles ("Words, words") — El_C 02:02, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Ebatule — El_C 14:25, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Europa (Earth's Cry Heaven's Smile) — El_C 00:34, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Booty Step — El_C 11:17, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Gymnopédie No. 1 → Arabesque No. 1 — El_C 10:31, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Raat Ne Main Baandhi Chhe — El_C 15:34, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Reza, Meu Bem — El_C 23:13, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Because — El_C 12:30, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Noite Longa — El_C 18:03, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Voce Me Apereceu — El_C 05:27, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Lodger → It Starts When We Disappear — El_C 15:50, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

One More Day — El_C 00:17, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Sing Song Kitty → Bonaparte's Retreat — El_C 11:33, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Girls Love Kehlani → Table El_C 01:46, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Kkwy — El_C 01:11, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Convoy — El_C 15:43, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Black Water (studio) → Live (1974) — El_C 08:53, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Summertime → The House of the Rising Sun — El_C 13:40, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Bossa Esfera — El_C 13:06, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Down Man — El_C 13:36, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

The High Road — El_C 02:42, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Found You — El_C 14:16, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Quero ver — El_C 01:22, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Raag Gawati (Dhan Dhan Bhag Hamare) — El_C 17:11, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

I Adore You — El_C 13:55, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Angola Anthem — El_C 18:40, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

Dopesnotfunkae — El_C 21:26, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

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Chris Hedges: "The Meaning of Christmas" (December 27, 2020). El_C 23:50, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

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Sorry, everyone, I will not be accepting any new requests for the immediate moment. In the meantime, enjoy the music! (Also here) El_C 18:33, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Now also introducing Buck Flower, security guard (challenging times ahead!). El_C 12:46, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Margaret, Maid of Norway

Bored nationalist or monarchist has pov’d this. Given Margaret was a seven year old, can you semi or indef? Thanks awfully. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.150.39.166 (talk • contribs)

Hey IP. Sorry, why are you telling me about this? Have we met before? Though my memory is for shit, I don't think I was even aware that she existed until now. I'm really more of a 20th Century history guy than anything, even though I did watch Count Dankula's (And... I've been cancelled) docu on the Glencoe Massacre a couple of days ago (YouTube link), which is a definite recommend. What? What's 400 years between Highlands fweinds. What was I talking about? Oh, right, I don't understand the meaning of Maid. Did Margaret, Maid of Norway also had Maids (of Norway)? Because that would be trippy.

Anyway, wrt taking any kind of admin action, I don't know if there's anything to really do right now, as all the edits save one are from July 2021 or earlier, thus being quite Stale (likely too stale even for pc at this time). Or, do you just mean today's edit by Reefyj (diff)? If so, then indeed, that edit looks like it may not be entirely legit (I certainly dislike it being edit summary-less, at the very least). After briefly sampling their talk page, it looks like Reefyj, themselves, may not be editing in an entirely legit way (hard for me to tell one way or the other at a glance).

Finally, out of the wikiprojects listed on that page (Norway, Medieval Scotland, Women's History, and Scottish Islands for some reason), only Royalty and Nobility and Middle Ages seem active'ish right now (edits this month), so you can ask for help there, I suppose. Biography is also listed, but it may be too broad for our immediate purposes. But, the 1st place to post about this would be on the article talk page (Talk:Margaret, Maid of Norway), whose last discussion ended on May 2020 (so not terribly active, either). HTH. El_C 12:04, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

2021 AFL Grand Final Semi-protection

I think that 10 days was probably a bit excessive; 1-3 days probably would have been enough since the page now isn't as heavily edited. Also, didn't see your comment until now! Jeuno (talk) 23:02, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

Done. Cool, thanks for getting back to me. El_C 23:06, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

DriedGrape topic ban violation at Turkish War of Independence on Armenian genocide

You are banned indefinitely from editing or discussing anything to do with the WP:AA2 topic area, including anything to do with the Armenian genocide, broadly construed

Turkish War of Independence is related to the Armenian Genocide. Although DriedGrape's sanction was broadly construed, they engaged in a discussion in this topic area. I think this is a violation of their topic ban. Best regards.--V. E. (talk) 16:38, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

V. E., if you want me to look at this, please explain how you contend this to be so, by using summaries and WP:DIFF evidence. Thanks. El_C 16:40, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

Here are their edits diffs[45][46].--V. E. (talk) 16:45, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

Half way there: now the summaries. El_C 16:46, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

Their diffs are related to the content on the section historiography of Turkish War of Independence. This section discusses official Turkish historical narrative which has genocide-denialist characteristics. Also the article falls under AA and related conflicts: The Arbitration Committee has authorized uninvolved administrators to impose discretionary sanctions on users who edit pages related to Armenia, Azerbaijan, or related conflicts, including this article. (taken from the talk page of the article)--V. E. (talk) 16:49, 26 September 2021 (UTC)