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Link articles into "languages"

Hi, I want to add an article, Ilya Oberyshyn, with the Russian, Ukrainian, and Estonian "other language". This could be seen when you press languages in the Ukrainian or Russian version of the article linked in the page above. How do I do it? Thanks, Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 03:03, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

@Wikiexplorationandhelping: When you view the article, in the top right corner you should see a drop down menu titled "Add languages". ~Anachronist (talk) 03:25, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

I don't see it, unfortunately. I am trying to add the page into Wikidata items. Otherwise the other languages do not show when a user presses "view this page in other languages". Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 17:26, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

@Wikiexplorationandhelping I can diagnose the problem but as I'm not an expert with Wikidata, someone else will have to fix it. The article Ilya Oberyshyn links to Q124303574 on Wikidata. However, the other-language articles all link to Q4329162. The solution will be to merge Q124303574 into Q4329162. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:12, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

@Wikiexplorationandhelping @Michael D. Turnbull: I've merged the two items so now the interlanguage links should work properly. --bjh21 (talk) 17:13, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Ok, appreciate your help! Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 19:29, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

How about a general answer for those of us who do not see the drop-down menu. Years ago, it was easy to link to other languages. Now, I can't figure it out. At the moment, I'm trying to link the English article on Heinrich Steinhöwel to the existing articles in other languages, but I'd like to know for the future as well. Kdammers (talk) 21:34, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

@Kdammers: In the "Tools" menu, you can click "Add interlanguage links". There is more info at Help:Interlanguage links. GoingBatty (talk) 21:39, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Where is the "Tools" menu?Kdammers (talk) 21:45, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

@Kdammers: At the top right of every page to the right of to "View History". GoingBatty (talk) 21:51, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

I am on a laptop. I don't see a "View History" tab. On the top right, I see "log out."Kdammers (talk) 21:57, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

@Kdammers: I'm on a laptop too. On this page, the "Tools" menu is to the right of "Read", "Edit source", and "View history". You can see the "Tools" menu on this screenshot if you zoom in and look to the right of "Read", "View source", and "View history". GoingBatty (talk) 22:23, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

What is going on? Even on the screen shot, I don't see what you're talking about. I see "Read," "Edit" [not "Edit source"], "History" [without "Edit"] and a star that doesn't yield anything that I can interpret at as adding language links. Kdammers (talk) 22:33, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

I've circled the "Tools" menu.

@Kdammers: Check out the cropped version of the screenshot I've added to the right here. I've circled the "Tools" menu for you.

Maybe we're using different skins. On Preferences > Appearance, what skin are you using? (I'm using Vector (2022).) On what page do you see "Read", "Edit", "History" and the star? GoingBatty (talk) 22:53, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

MonoBook Kdammers (talk) 23:29, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Okeh, I've changed to Vector (2000). I now see "Tools," but I don't see anything about adding links to other languages. Where should it be? Kdammers (talk) 23:35, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

@Kdammers: In MonoBook, go to the bottom left corner of the screen under "languages" and click the pencil icon that states "Add links". In Vector (2022), click on the word "Tools" and then scroll down the menu and click on "Add interlanguage links". GoingBatty (talk) 23:46, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

NOW (maybe a refreshing issue?), I see stuff about adding language links. At the bottom left, there is "Language links are at the top of the page." When I went up there, under "Add languages," I clicked on "Open language settings," I got something with only "Display language

Change the language of menus. Content language will not be affected." and the original page. Kdammers (talk) 00:21, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

@Kdammers: Now that you're using Vector (2022), do you see the Tools menu? If so, do you see "Add interlanguage links". If so, how does that work for you? GoingBatty (talk) 00:34, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Not very well! I typed in "German"in the language box, but how do I type the page name in the page box?Kdammers (talk) 00:40, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

@Kdammers: "German" isn't a valid value. Try typing "dewiki" instead, and then you'll be able to type in the "Page" field. GoingBatty (talk) 01:36, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. (How is an editor supposed to know that the English word "Language" calls for a non-English entry?) I appreciate your patience. This was ridiculously complicated, with all sorts of stumbling blocks that were not present ten or so years ago. I hope any easier set-up can be put in place. Kdammers (talk) 02:05, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

@Kdammers: By typing slowly in the "Language" field and seeing the suggestions pop up? GoingBatty (talk) 02:07, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

It would be nice to see BC and AD dates everywhere on Wikipedia.

So full disclaimer, I'm a Christian. And I realize that not everybody is a Christian. But it would be nice if there was an option on Wikipedia, to change the preference in settings in your account, to format all dates to the dating format you prefer, and doing so would update the way dates appear on every page throughout Wikipedia.

Currently in account settings, under preferences, you can set the format of dates, but it does not give the option to control if it shows BC and AD, instead of BCE and CE, or vice versa. NeedHymn (talk) 18:25, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Awesome idea, I’m a Muslim and I want to see Hijri dates. Cometkeiko (talk) 18:31, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

I've heard worse ideas, though whatever gadget is installed needs to see stuff like "ad hoc", people named "ad-din" etc. Consider asking someone to make you a WP:JAVASCRIPT, Wikipedia:Village pump (idea lab) maybe the place to ask first. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:38, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

I guess that wouldn't hurt. And yes, you can probably get a fairly simple JavaScript program to do it for you. 🌺 Cremastra (talk) 22:36, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

...and I think I've figured out how to do it! @NeedHymn and Gråbergs Gråa Sång: the code here, based off the examples at W3 schools, replaces all instances of the string "CE" with "AD". It could hopefully be expanded to turn "C.E." to "A.D.", and so on. Doing Hijri dates is harder, because you have to actually convert the numbers (thus somehow converting the string into a numerical value and then back into a string) but someone who actually understands JS should be able to do it. NeedHymn, you can copy the code into your common.js and it should work. 🌺 Cremastra (talk) 22:50, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

I haven't tested this, but it seems to me that that code is going to change every "CE" to "AD", regardless of whether it's part of another word. So "CENTER" would be changed to "ADNTER", "ANNOUNCE" would be changed to "ANNOUNAD", etc. At the least you'd want to make the regular expression be "/\bCE\b/g", but as Gråbergs Gråa Sång noted above, it will be tricky to make this work correctly in every case. CodeTalker (talk) 01:56, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Darn, you're probably right. 🌺 Cremastra (talk) 12:57, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

NeedHymn, for some historical context: while this wasn't precisely the change, it was attempted to have some aspects of dates or other data pages localized automatically, and it was undone due to complexity and complications with users without accounts. While a personal solution per above seems reasonable, it feels worthwhile to note this class of functionality has been explored for the whole site before. — Remsense诉 13:28, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

It is technically quite similar to {{Convert}} (unrelated to religious conversion) and the debate about localised reading experience. Since we're here, I recommend this essay Wikipedia:Systemic bias. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 19:10, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

That's about as impractical as an option to switch between varieties of English spelling based on preference. Logically, Wikipedia is a secular project so we should be using BCE and CE everywhere, eliminating BC and AD entirely, for consistency. ~Anachronist (talk) 19:53, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

I agree, but I don't think accommodating a single user's preference that doesn't affect others is that harmful. I would fervently oppose a proposal to actually use BC and AD in articles as the norm, but this seems OK. 🌺 Cremastra (talk) 20:04, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Curious about IMDb

Nothing directly to do with Wikipedia, but I've been curious about IMDb. I don't have an account there, and I wonder, if you did have an account, are you able to see the provenance of additions to that database? (On Wikipedia, I sometimes cross-check between different articles; e.g. OK, John Doe article *does* say he attended Lorem Ipsum University... how long has that been the case... Oh, four minutes before the suss article was changed. A couple of times, I've been able to see this happen at IMDb because I periodically checked the page.) So can a registered user there see more than the rest of us, regarding when items were added? _signed, Willondon (talk) 18:57, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

@Willondon welcome to Teahouse! Questions unrelated to English Wikipedia should not be asked here. That said, I looked it up and doesn't seem possible, but I am not certain. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 19:07, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

How do I show additional significant coverage in my film article

I apologize as this is my first time creating an article, specifically about films. Earlier, my article Draft:Head Burst was rejected because it didn't show significant coverage that are published from reliable, secondary sources.

I tried to make sure I added reliable sources for my article, even adding an IMDB link below it. Obviously I didn't add enough sources which is why it probably got rejected which is why I'm asking for help. How do I find more reliable sources, is there any mistakes in my article I should fix? Any help is appreciated as I want to contribute to Wikipedia's growth Virp2022 (talk) 03:58, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

@Virp2022: Welcome to the Teahouse! You could provide sources where you read the information that I have tagged with {{citation needed}}. You could also try asking at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Film/German cinema task force. GoingBatty (talk) 07:15, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

The problem is that you wrote the article WP:BACKWARD. You should have written it forward, and then you wouldn't be having this problem. Start by collecting reliable sources first, and then write your article based on what the sources say, not based on what you know. IMDB is user-generated content and not considered a reliable source. See WP:Golden Rule to get an idea of what's required. ~Anachronist (talk) 19:48, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

how can i verify my page as a musician?

i am a musician and i want to very my page Ex-boy france (talk) 15:19, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello and welcome. You will have to inquire with various social media and search engines to see what their verification requirements are. Some of them permit the presence of a Wikipedia article as one possible means of verification. However, that is not a concern of Wikipedia. If you meet the definition of a notable musician, as shown with significant coverage in independent reliable aources, someone will eventually write about you. You should not do this yourself, see WP:AUTO. 331dot (talk) 15:24, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

The content you created on your User page has been Speedy deleted with no record of it having existed except to Administrators. User pages are not the place to create articles (Wikipedia does not have profiles, is not social media). Furthermore, articles that succeed in being created are not 'owned' by the creator or the subject. The proper path for an attempt is explained at WP:YFA. Attempts at autobiography almost always fail. Absolute requirments include references that are indepedent from the subject, and all content in a submitted draft must be verified by said referencs. David notMD (talk) 20:12, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

See entry below this for more detailed guidance. David notMD (talk) 20:13, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

my user page

someone who doesn't have their own user page has thanked me for the creation of mine.... I find that a little weird. can someone explain what that would be about? WikiTikiTavi63 (talk) 17:22, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

@WikiTikiTavi63 welcome to Teahouse. I agree with you it is confusing. From a technical point of view, it is possible to have an account without a User page, or a User talk page. For such users, you can search Special:Contributions/Example and ping them {{reply to|Example}}.

User Experience wise, I personally would support every new User account creation also automatically including a User page, to make it easier for newbies to communicate. You can boldly create their User talk page for them. But they can request to delete it as well. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 18:37, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

WikiTikiTavi63, I have no idea why anyone (A) would thank any other person (B) for the creation of that person's (B's) user page; and so I don't know why anyone else would thank you for having created "WikiTikiTavi63". As for Shushugah's comment, creating a user talk page for somebody else isn't at all bold; it's how user talk pages are normally created. But in almost all circumstances creating a user page for somebody else isn't merely "bold", it's presumptuous and arrogant. And I for one would oppose the automatic creation of user pages. -- Hoary (talk) 22:23, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

No idea. User has 17 edits since 2018. Just strange randomness, I guess. 🌺 Cremastra (talk) 14:45, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Dispute resolution and Javascript

I don't have a dispute right now, but this is for future potential disputes:

For some reason, I cannot request a dispute resolution in the dispute resolution noticeboard. A message pops up and says that this page requires javascript to use the form tool. I don't know what javascript is required. Please help? Thanks, Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 17:52, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

@Wikiexplorationandhelping welcome to Teahouse. Technical questions are better suited for WP:VPT. You don't need to download any Javascript (every modern web browser is able to run it), but sometimes web-browsers disabled allowing any javascript to run for security reasons. I would google "enable javascript [name of your browser]" to find instructions. Happy editing and resolving disputes! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 18:26, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your help! Unfortunately, when I tried disabling and re-enabling Javascript for Safari, and pressing the "Request dispute resolution" again, nothing happened. I also tried this on Chrome browser to no avail. I'll continue to request help at WP:VPT. In the meantime, if, and when, a dispute happens, and I want to use the DRN noticeboard, how can I submit a dispute resolution request? Any alternatives? Thanks, Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 15:44, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

change user name

I want to change my user name from Sedlescombe46 (it's been compromised) to Runagood (a name I have trademarked) but I'm being blocked (on 27 Jan 24) because someone took that name on 24 Jan 24 (it was me!) So what now? Sedlescombe46 (talk) 17:59, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

@Sedlescombe46 you can request a new password for User:Runagood but if you cannot access it, there is nothing you can do about it. You have only made 3 edits with your current account, two of them about changing usernames. I would gently suggest you focus on improving Wikipedia. The usernames do not matter otherwise. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 18:22, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

@Dedlescombe46: If you have associated an email account with that name, you ca request a password reset. Otherwise, there may be a possibility at Wikipedia:Changing username/Usurpations. You'd basically be usurping your own username that you cannot access. Bear in mind that it would be blocked as a violation of Wikipedia:Username policy if it's the name of a product or company. In that case, you're better off without that trademarked name. ~Anachronist (talk) 00:35, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

looks like at least one product or company. 🌺 Cremastra (talk) 14:42, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Flagicon of the world

Hi! I need to indicate that a virtual event happened worldwide and so I would like to include a flag of the world in the flagicon format, but I cannot find it. I tried {{flagicon|World}} {{flag|World}} {{flagicon|world}} {{flag|world}} but nothing worked... any suggestion? Thanks --Larry.europe (talk) 19:27, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

@Larry.europe: There is no such flag. It isn't needed. Even if there was such a flag, its meaning in any usage I can imagine would be ambiguous, and therefore unnecessary. ~Anachronist (talk) 19:39, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks so much for your friendly welcome User:WillKomen. I can't wait to start editing! Walkerabroad (talk) 20:21, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

@Larry.europe: Are you referring to the article International Conference on Computational Intelligence Methods for Bioinformatics and Biostatistics? It seems to me that the flags shown there are MOS:FLAGCRUFT. GoingBatty (talk) 15:43, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

creating a page

I want to make a page about football player he is 6 years old and I have made an article about him but it have been speedily Deletion , how can i make one for him please help me DilovanAli (talk) 21:15, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

@DilovanAli Welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia of 'notable things'. So, does this 6 year old meet Wikipedia's NOTABILITY CRITERIA FOR PEOPLE? In other words, can you supply three or more links or citations to nationally recognised newspapers, books or magazines that have talked about this person in detail and in depth? If so, then it may be possible. But, if not, then Wikipedia is not here to promote every young person who loves football and who has simply been mentioned in a local newspaper or local TV news programme once or twice. By the same token, you must stop trying to create an article about yourself, too. These have been speedily deleted as there was no evidence that you meet our notability criteria, either. You might try using Facebook or some other social media platform to create a profile about yourself - this encyclopaedia is not here for that purpose! Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 21:22, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Please advise me on how to reduce the weight of draft.

Hi, I am a Japanese Wikipedian. I am currently translating an article I wrote for the Japanese version of Wikipedia, "チュアベトナム", into English at "Draft:Chua_Vietnam_(Japan)" and am in the finishing stages before submission.

I recently received very valuable advice about this draft from@GreenMeansGo at teahouse.

"you veer off into other subjects that are related, but not directly the subject of the article."

I think this advice is probably absolutely right. I intentionally included quite a bit more peripheral information on this subject because there are not that many sources, but I do think the focus should still be on the subject.

I have researched all the online sources on this subject, so I cannot add any more sources or significantly more information on this subject. Therefore, the only thing I can do now to improve the quality of the article is to shave off the extra fat.

In the draft space, it seems that the lead author is the only one who can do the heavy slash. Being a subject without so many sources, it must be done carefully so as not to damage its notability. This requires courage.

I have made a rough draft of my own ideas on how to reduce the weight of the articles. Can anyone compare these two articles and give me thoughts and advice?

Draft:Chua_Vietnam_(Japan)

User:狄の用務員/Chua Vietnam (Japan)

The modifications are as follows

About the "Religion in Vietnam" block.

In the Japanese Wikipedia, this paragraph was added because there is no article on Buddhism in Vietnam, but in the English Wikipedia, there is a full article on Buddhism in Vietnam, so I removed the entire block. There is a link to "Vietnamese Buddhism" in the Infobox of the article template, should there be a link in the article as well?

About the explanation of "Tam Quan" in the "Architecture" block

Since there is a separate entry for "Tam Quan" in the English Wikipedia, I substituted a link to "Tam Quan" in the photo caption.

About the photo captions in the "Annual Events" block

I removed the ancillary explanations and reduced the captions to the bare minimum.

about the "Geography" block

This is the most difficult part. For the time being, I reduced the amount of text to less than half and removed the pie chart. Some may think that this entire block is unnecessary, but I personally think it is better to have it. The high percentage of foreigners in Aikawa is one of the reasons why the town was chosen as the location for the temple setup. and the acceptance of Indochinese refugees has increased the number of Vietnamese residents and provided an economic base for temple operations, and the concentration of Indochinese temples, including Vietnamese, in this small town is very rare. I would appreciate any comments on the publication of this block. The first and third paragraphs of this block seems could be compressed a little more without changing the amount of information, but it is difficult with my English skills.

About the "Related articles" Block

I removed the description.

That's all for the proposed revision. If there is any advice, even if unrelated to weight loss, I would love to hear it. 狄の用務員 (talk) 02:11, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

狄の用務員様, as I'm rather tired today, I'm sidestepping your request; but perhaps if you look at some changes I made, you will find them of use. Other tips: Remove the address and opening hours: en:Wikipedia articles normally skip these, which can more reliably be obtained from the institution (here, temple) itself. 頑張ってね！ -- Hoary (talk) 05:14, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Meanwhile, 狄の用務員様, a couple of points:

1. Different versions of the same title should not be concatenated after "title=". For this source (as an example), you have: title=国際色豊かな神奈川県愛川町の魅力は？グルメに異国文化体験 地球の歩き方コラボシリーズ（2）/What is the charm of the cosmopolitan town of Aikawa in Kanagawa Prefecture? Gourmet food and exotic culture experience Chikyū no Arukikata Collaboration Series (2). Sorry, but that's wrong. As stated in Template:Cite_web/doc#Title, it should instead be title=Kokusai-shoku yutaka na Kanagawa-ken Aikawa-chō no miryoku wa? Gurume ni ikokubunka taiken: Chikyū no Arukikata korabo shirīzu (2) | script-title=ja:国際色豊かな神奈川県愛川町の魅力は？グルメに異国文化体験 地球の歩き方コラボシリーズ（2）| trans-title=What is the charm of the cosmopolitan town of Aikawa in Kanagawa Prefecture? Gourmet food and exotic culture experience: Chikyū no Arukikata Collaboration Series (2)
2. "author=" must never be followed by two or more people's names. The recommended method for two people is first1= | last1= | first2= | last2=; see Template:Cite_web#Authors. Offhand I don't how to deal with Vietnamese names. (I thought I might be able to infer this from the references supplied for Vietnam-related featured articles, but disappointingly few of their authors appear to be Vietnamese. The best place to ask is probably Help talk:Citation Style 1.)

-- Hoary (talk) 06:58, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

@Hoary: Thank you very much for your corrections and advice.

I have removed the address, opening hours and transportation.

I probably understand how to title the source and how to fill in the author. I have only corrected about a third of it, but I will revise all of it soon.

Since I do not understand Vietnamese at all, cannot identify Vietnamese first, last, or middle names, and have no knowlage about Vietnamese sounds, I will expect someone else to correct the Vietnamese source.

If you have any idea on the inclusion of descriptions such as "Religion in Vietnam," "Tam Quan," "Annual Events," "Geography," etc., please let me know. 狄の用務員 (talk) 08:02, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

狄の用務員, let's take Võ Nguyên Giáp (ヴォー・グエン・ザップ) as an example. The article starts: "In this Vietnamese name, the surname is Võ. In accordance with Vietnamese custom, this person should be referred to by the given name, Nguyên Giáp." (Incidentally, though this isn't the same as the correct practice for most Icelandic names, it has similarities.) I think that all Vietnamese names are given in this order, so we know which part is the surname. The question is of the meaning of "first" and "last" in the context of citation templates. So, Võ was the man's first name (you'd write and say it first), and Nguyên Giáp was his last name, but do these correspond to "first" and "last" for use in citation templates? If so, any work by him would be indexed first by "Nguyên Giáp" (good), but might give the impression that Nguyên Giáp was his surname (wrong). ¶ Although Wikipedia calls 谷崎潤一郎 "Jun'ichirō Tanizaki", not "Tanizaki Jun'ichirō"), it presents the first name of Tsubouchi Shōyō (坪内逍遥) as Tsubouchi, but if a citation template were to describe a book by him, I'm pretty sure that it would do so "last=Tsubouchi | first=Shōyō". -- Hoary (talk) 08:48, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

@Hoary: Thank you very much for your kind explanation with examples. I have rewritten the sources for the two papers by Vietnamese. I am not sure if this is the correct answer, I hope this bet is correct.

I can't find the Vietnamese language code on the help page, should I not write "VI"? 狄の用務員 (talk) 09:18, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Yes, List of ISO 639 language codes says that it's "vi" (which perhaps should be lowercase [小文字] for this purpose). -- Hoary (talk) 10:00, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

I am so sorry, I have tried both lower case vi and vie for the source of the temple website, but they all give me an error. If you don't mind, could you please fill in one successful example? 狄の用務員 (talk) 10:59, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your numerous corrections and suggestions. Although I am Japanese, I do not have an accurate understanding of Hepburn, but I will revise it all to Hepburn on my own soon. 狄の用務員 (talk) 11:47, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Fair Use under Wikimedia Commons

Hello,

I created an infobox for this page where I used an image from Wikimedia Commons. What else do I need to do to ensure it does not get taken down? BajaChikn (talk) 04:00, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

@BajaChikn: Commons does not allow fair use. But the image in the article is marked as being under a CC license. Please clarify what you are asking. RudolfRed (talk) 04:03, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Is there anything else I need to do to make sure it does not get taken down for copyright infringement BajaChikn (talk) 04:06, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

@BajaChikn: Please clarify what image you are referring to, I think we might be talking past each other. File:2022,_20,_Brady_Oliveira.jpg was uploaded in 2022 and does not seem to be in danger of being deleted. I wonder if you are referring to a different image. RudolfRed (talk) 04:11, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

@RudolfRed That's the right image, I was just confused on how properly adding images on Wikipedia worked and wanted to make sure I wasn't violating any rules as far as CC and licensing goes. BajaChikn (talk) 04:15, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

@BajaChikn: That image says it was uploaded by another user, Cmm3, who also says they created the image themselves and chose to release it under the right licence. It is in no danger of being deleted from Commons. I ran a TinEye search and it is very unlikely to be a copyright violation. 🌺 Cremastra (talk) 14:40, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Awesome! Thank you so much! BajaChikn (talk) 17:25, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

No worries. 🌺 Cremastra (talk) 18:02, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Create an article that was created by a new user and was deleted

Hi, i would like to ask that a article which i was about to create about an Famous youtuber named Ducky bhai (Saad ur rehman) the template told that it had been created and deleted by a user stating it had no significance or importance.

now that i went to the talk page to discuss it with the user who deleted it, i found out unfortunately the user is no more in this world and his account is inactive.

Now in this case should i create the article directly or within draft, also to the addition that the Guy Saad ur rehman has joined politics and people are Searching about him, making his page feels necessary as this news is attracting alot of people and makes him an important figure. Rahim231 (talk) 07:37, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Rahim231, on 12 September '20, the article Ducky bhai was deleted by Ritchie333. I'm surprised by your comment "the user is no more in this world and his account is inactive". As recently as the 26th, Ritchie333 made so many edits that I can't be bothered to count them. -- Hoary (talk) 09:01, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

I see there that you got confused for another user here is the article [1]

and the user [2]. Rahim231 (talk) 09:18, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Coverage exists, I'll say that much.[3][4] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:30, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

So i should refrain from making his article or so ? Rahim231 (talk) 09:35, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

@Rahim231 Since it has been deleted at least a couple of times, my advice is, if you have the WP:GNG sources and want to try again, write a DRAFT, take your time, and when you're ready, submit it for review. You can start a draft here. WP:BLP is very important, and there's good advice at WP:BACKWARD and WP:FLOWERY. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:27, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for guiding me. Rahim231 (talk) 10:55, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Help with notability & adjusting tone

Hi, I would like some feedback on this draft page - Draft:Don Samarasinghe. In particular, how to improve the tone and meet the notability criteria for an academic. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance. Nzkaioshin (talk) 09:51, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

As he is only a Senior Lecturer, this is probably too soon (WP:TOOSOON) for him to have a notable career. At a list of academic staff of Massey University, the great majority of people who are subjects of articles reached full professor there or elsewhere. Some of your refs are to his achievements, but few (none?) are about him, at length. The refs to capable.nz are to articles not written by him. Rather, he was interviewed and used for quotes. David notMD (talk) 10:50, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Broken link

Hi everyone. I found a broken link. When I click on it, it says page not found. I found another relevant source that I can include instead. How can I change the citation? Kamila376 (talk) 14:03, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

@Kamila376 I can help you, but it would be much easier if you can tell us the source you found and the article you're looking at. References with dead urls are generally not removed. Have you tried looking in The Wayback Machine for an archived copy of the website?

If you found a second, useful, source, then you can add it in to the article after the sentence which it verifies following the instructions at WP:REFVE. 🌺 Cremastra (talk) 14:36, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

I wrote something and can't find it>

I guess it didn't post, I guess I don't know how to post. Is it gone? Cookei1002 (talk) 18:28, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi Cookei1002, welcome to the Teahouse. This post is the only saved edit by your account. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:58, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

@Cookei1002 Welcome to Teahouse. Either it didn't publish correctly, or you posted it while logged out, in which case your it would publish an edit with your IP address. Sometimes your local browser has saved the draft edit, but I would simply edit and publish more regularly. See WP:TUTORIAL to get started! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 19:27, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Wikilinks to articles in non-English Wikipedias

I an looking at an article (Toast Hawaii) that contains a small number of wikilinks to German language wikipedia articles, within the main body of the article. I have not verified this yet, but I am guessing that the contributor did this because there was no English language equivalent article. My question is whether there are guidelines related to this? Ike9898 (talk) 19:33, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Ike9898, yes, there is H:FOREIGNLINK, which offers a number of alternatives, chief of which is using Template:Interlanguage link. The article should not link directly to German Wikipedia via a piped link, but use {{ill|Hans Karl Adam|de}} instead. Mathglot (talk) 19:42, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! I am putting your guidance to use! Ike9898 (talk) 20:12, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello everyone. I have a question about notability criteria for swimming sportsmen.

I have two draft articles about Ukrainian swimmers, which are declined some times. I kindly accepted the notability criteria for them, but they are being declined. What sources can be considered as notable for swimmers? Thanks!! Ілля Криворучко (talk) 20:15, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Note: Related discussion can be found here. --Finngall ^talk 20:36, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

@Ілля Криворучко: the policy is WP:NATHLETE. Don John McLongdong (talk) 00:22, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, but there is no criteria for swimmers, so I asked that question. Ілля Криворучко (talk) 00:24, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Ілля Криворучко, there is no specific notability guideline for swimmers. The notability guideline for athletes in general is at Wikipedia:Notability (sports). A swimmer who has received significant coverage in multiple reliable sources that are entirely independent of the swimmer is considered notable and eligible for a Wikipedia article. Cullen328 (talk) 00:20, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks!!! Ілля Криворучко (talk) 00:27, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Voices from Ukraine

Hello, is it possible for someone to check the page and publish it? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Voices_from_Ukraine Den22890 (talk) 22:21, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Den22890. Your only reference is a primary non-independent source, written by the organization itself. That is not adequate. Wikipedia articles must summarize the significant coverage that reliable sources completely independent of Voices for Ukraine devote to the group. Your draft has vast swathes of unreferenced content, which does not comply with the core content policy Verifiability. It cannot be accepted in its current form. Please study Your first article. Cullen328 (talk) 22:32, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Den22890, and welcome to the Teahouse. I have added a header to your draft allowing you to submit it for review. But do not do this yet, as it will certainly not be accepted. It has only one reference, and that is to the organisation's own website.

Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources.

You need to find several such sources, and cite them. ColinFine (talk) 22:32, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

I quote from the draft: "On September 17, in collaboration with Flixbus, we were invited to the Ukrainian festival "Family Day for Ukraine" in the Dutch town of Veenendaal, where we brought Ukrainian singer Serafyn" (my emphases). I quote from the template atop the draft: "It is strongly discouraged to write about yourself, your business or employer. If you do so, you must declare it." The latter has links that show you how and where you should make the declaration(s). Please do it, now. -- Hoary (talk) 22:42, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Den22890, thank you for your candor on your user page. -- Hoary (talk) 22:56, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Den22890, which one of Draft:Fundacja "Voices from Ukraine" and Draft:Voices from Ukraine do you want to work on? Whichever it is, somebody here (perhaps me) will turn the other into a redirect. -- Hoary (talk) 22:53, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Voices from Ukraine Den22890 (talk) 22:55, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, Den22890. I've turned the other into a redirect. If you go here you'll find a link to the history of the now-redirected page, and will be able to look at earlier versions. -- Hoary (talk) 23:02, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

thank you, does it possible to delete from name (Draft:) Draft:Voices from Ukraine

and link to Ukrainian version? https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voices_from_Ukraine Den22890 (talk) 23:10, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

No, Den22890, it is not possible to delete "Draft:" until Draft:Voices from Ukraine is good enough to be an article. If you read what's written above, and think about it, you will realize that no it is not good enough to be an article. It's not even close. One major problem is that there's no indication in the draft that the organization is notable (as this is understood by and for en:Wikipedia). (This has nothing to do with the worthiness of the organization itself.) No, there will be no link from the draft to any Wikipedia article (e.g. in Ukrainian) on the same subject. First, you need to improve the draft, very radically. You have to base it on what reliable sources unrelated to Voices from Ukraine have said about Voices from Ukraine. These sources don't have to be in English; they may be in Polish, Ukrainian, Russian, German, Romanian, Slovakian, Hungarian, etc. -- Hoary (talk) 23:20, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Den22890, I note that uk:Voices from Ukraine cites just three sources: Voices from Ukraine, a tweet, and something posted to Instagram by Voices from Ukraine. Perhaps uk:Wikipedia permits this kind of article; en:Wikipedia does not. Please look for solid material, for example articles within the websites of reputable newspapers. -- Hoary (talk) 23:32, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

I have many of them, but it not gives me permission to edit references( Den22890 (talk) 23:35, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

I don't understand you. If Zeit Online, for example, has usable material, then you may summarize what the material says, of course attributing it to the particular page within Zeit Online. In order to do this, you don't need permission from either Zeit Online or Wikipedia. (Of course you must not simply copy material from Zeit Online -- doing so would both be plagiarism and also violate copyright. I'm talking about summarizing in your own words.) -- Hoary (talk) 23:43, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

thanks Den22890 (talk) 00:49, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Amazon no longer valid for source for uploading image book covers?

i upload a variety of book covers under non-free use guidelines. Amazon.com was often a valid source for finding these book covers, but now two uploads that I have tried have failed and have listed my linking to amazon as "SPAM" or something to that effect? i do not know what changed in the last day or so. Iljhgtn (talk) 23:25, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Iljhgtn, I suggest that you try Google Books instead, or the publisher's website. Cullen328 (talk) 23:39, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

i am fine with going to other sources and places, but i just found that it only started listing this link as spam within the last 24 hours or so, so i was a tad surprised. Iljhgtn (talk) 00:00, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Unrelated to spam, but one problem with using covers from Amazon is that new printings with new covers are published quite frequently, and Amazon will usually switch to the latest, current version, whereas in Wikipedia the illustration captions often specify a particular edition (often the first). Popular, frequently reprinted books can accumulate a surprisingly large historical array of covers in a comparatively short time. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.205.103.187 (talk) 08:17, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

that makes sense and i do my best to look for the oldest, closest to first edition available, but when not available, i find the best non-free file that can fairly be used. Iljhgtn (talk) 16:20, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

@Iljhgtn

This is great – Iljhgtn/Tools#uploading_an_image/logo. Do you have a similar "instruction set" for book cover uploads? Learn new things in 2024 (talk) 02:16, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

no, but it isn't necessary. you use the same rules essentially, but then just find a book cover that you can use from a major source like goodreads or used to use amazon. i'd hunt to find one that is as early as possible mostly. Iljhgtn (talk) 02:24, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you @Iljhgtn

Could you link to a book cover that you've uploaded?

What license to you choose – I'm stuck here. Learn new things in 2024 (talk) 02:41, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

you are uploading it wrong, you need to upload as it IS copywritten but it is a non-free file that you believe is fair use, I then say in the bottom section "this image is being used only once, in the infobox of the named article and for purpose of identification only" when it asks me how the use will be limited. I will find one that I have uploaded for you. I've uploaded a lot of children's book covers from Mem Fox of Australia, so let me check there. Iljhgtn (talk) 02:48, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Here i found one at Let's Count Goats!. See if you can follow me that way. Iljhgtn (talk) 02:50, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you once again @Iljhgtn! 🙂 Learn new things in 2024 (talk) 02:53, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Different upload link, found it.

Thank you @Iljhgtn
Learn new things in 2024 (talk) 02:53, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Right. Yes. I have that link also in my list of "tools" saved on my userpage. Sorry I did not think to link to that sooner. Iljhgtn (talk) 02:57, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Uploaded a book cover and added to an article (Att vara Per Gessle). Works well. Thank you. Learn new things in 2024 (talk) 03:02, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

You are welcome. Iljhgtn (talk) 03:13, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Active voice or passive voice

Should I write articles in active voice or passive voice? Abigbagel (talk) 23:29, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Whichever. (Did some silly book or teacher condemn the passive? If so, and if you'd like to spend ten to twenty minutes to understand the matter, I warmly recommend "Fear and Loathing of the English Passive".) -- Hoary (talk) 23:36, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Abigbagel, hello! Above all else, you should accurately represent what the reliable sources say. There are no firm guidelines in the Manual of Style regarding grammatical voice. My personal advice applies to use of the passive voice in general:

• All else being equal, active voice is the most natural form in English, and should be used most of the time, as is the case across most English language writing.
• A primary purpose of passive voice is to avoid asserting a strong causality or intentionality regarding an event. This can be used accurately and intentionally, but often results purposelessly in unclear writing, or serves the above function in a way that is considered empirically inaccurate or dishonest.

If one took the philosophy of David Hume to its extreme, one should never use the active voice because strict causality cannot ever be proven in the real world. But to write like that would be misleading and unpleasant in almost all circumstances. Hume wouldn't do that, and neither should you or I. Much scientific literature uses the passive voice much more often—this is the area where you should pay special attention, and represent what the sources say accurately, as previously stated.
Cheers! — Remsense诉 23:49, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

I also largely agree with @Hoary—it's not that big of a deal. But it is a deal. — Remsense诉 23:51, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Note that in order to express what they wanted to say, Remsense used four instances of the passive ("be used", "is considered", "be proven", and "stated"), and the result is none the worse for it. "People can use it accurately and intentionally", "that people consider empirically inaccurate or dishonest" and so forth would have merely bulked up the prose. The passive voice is just a handy way to change the valency of a verb, best used when the agent is of no concern (or unknown). -- Hoary (talk) 00:09, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Hoary, agreed. — Remsense诉 00:10, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

The Manual of Style does mention the topic briefly at MOS:PASSIVE: "The passive voice is inappropriate for some forms of writing, but it is widely used in encyclopedia articles, because the passive voice avoids inappropriate first- and second-person constructions as well as tone problems." CodeTalker (talk) 00:51, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Need Help

With Makeing a wikipedia With sources 985thelou (talk) 00:43, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

@985thelou: If you are trying to create an article, read WP:YFA and WP:REFB for help on how to create an article and cite your sources. RudolfRed (talk) 00:57, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Okay Can You Make It For Me? For i Will Not conflict Wikipedia 985thelou (talk) 01:01, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

no. we won't make articles for you. ltbdl (talk) 01:08, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Teahouse Hosts are here to advise, but not author or co-author. There is a place to propose article topics, but the reality is a huge backlog and minimal success. There is a way to proceed with drafting and submittal of a draft despite haveing a conflict of interest. David notMD (talk) 02:33, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Question regarding inclusion of criminal charging in BLP

Hey - looking for some advice here from people who know the policies/guidelines better than I do :)

On the BLP Ben Eager, I noticed that a single-sentence paragraph that mentioned the subject being charged with a crime in 2012 was removed with the edit summary Defamation. The sentence appeared to be sourced (albeit with a dead link), and I have since found additional (seemingly reliable) sources from the time that support the statement (as well as finding an archived copy of the dead link). However, I'm looking for guidance regarding whether I should reinsert the sentence into the article (proposed version below).

I've found WP:BLPCRIME & WP:BLPPUBLIC, and my understanding based on what I've read is that the subject is a public figure for those purposes. (re. BLPPUBLIC, I've searched Google a bit, but haven't been able to find anywhere where the subject has responded to the charges - or what happened with them in the end at all.) I also think that a single sentence on this apparently well-reported-at-the-time incident is keeping in line with WP:DUE. However, as I'm not as familiar with BLP policies as I'd like to be (as well as being unfamiliar with how DUE is applied in these sorts of cases), I'm looking for a second opinion as to whether or not this should be reinserted.

Proposed sentence
In October 2012, Eager was charged with assault, assault with bodily harm and assault with a weapon, after allegedly beating up the doorman at a pub in the Rosedale neighbourhood of Toronto. References

Let me know if you have any queries, and/or if I've explained anything poorly. All the best, ‍—‍a smart kitten_[meow] 01:17, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

A smart kitten, as you're looking for advice from people who know the policies/guidelines better than either of us does, you should instead ask at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard. -- Hoary (talk) 04:22, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Being charged with a crime (as in this case) generally does not warrant mention in an article on a person. Being found guilty of a serious crime does warrant mention. (If reliable sources state that he was charged, but don't mention that he was found guilty, it's likely that he was not found guilty.) Maproom (talk) 08:33, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

@Hoary and Maproom: thanks for the advice :) ‍—‍a smart kitten_[meow] 00:15, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

copyrights for historical photos

Can I upload a commercial photograph from the 1940s whose photographer is unknown?

Draft: Anna Istomina 57.140.16 1 Boat Scherzo (talk) 02:21, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Boat Scherzo, unfortunately photos taken after 1927 whose creators are unknown are assumed to be under copyright. However, there are certain cases where non-free content can be acceptably used—these guidelines are stricter than "fair use", though. See this page for Wikipedia's acceptable use guidelines for images. Cheers! — Remsense诉 02:28, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

That depends, Boat Scherzo. c:File:Portrait of Teikō Shiotani.jpg is a photo taken in 1934 or 1935, yet in the public domain and legitimately at Commons (of course with no claim of "fair use"). So where was this "commercial photograph" taken? -- Hoary (talk) 03:35, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Arab Wikipedia Financial exploitation

There are many problems in the Arab Wikipedia, including financial exploitation in creating biographical articles Mohamed Alsananni (talk) 03:11, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

@Mohamed Alsananni: Welcome to the Teahouse! Each Wikipedia site operates independently, so the volunteers here at the English Wikipedia have no more sway at the Arabic Wikipedia than you do. It seems the Arabic Wikipedia have their own version of the Teahouse at ar:ويكيبيديا:بوابة المشاركة, where you can provide details about your concerns and request assistance. GoingBatty (talk) 03:21, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Page move

Hello, I just wanted to state that I moved a page from Save the Kids Token to Save the Kids. I did not provide a rationale, but this was entirely accidental (I forgot to write in there -- silly me). Does this need to be reverted? I am asking because I do not want this to appear like I was being malicious or acting unilaterally against consensus. I try to be bold, but I really should have been more careful here. I apologize for any inconvenience, I will open a requested move if it needs to be reverted back. Thank you. JeffSpaceman (talk) 03:22, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

@JeffSpaceman: Welcome to the Teahouse! If you like, you may post your rationale at Talk:Save the Kids, where you'll see a previous discussion about moving the article. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 03:25, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: Thank you for this. I was really worried that people would be upset with me. As much as I try to be bold, I actively try to avoid editing against consensus, and I wasn't sure how this would be taken. I will leave a rationale on the page, and if anyone feels the need to revert, I will let them. I appreciate your swift response. JeffSpaceman (talk) 03:28, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Need help with sourcing

Hi. I recently made edits to a personality page - Sanjay Jain (advocate) - Wikipedia. My edits were reverted to original by @Tenryuu citing a lot of unsourced content. Please help me understand how to fix the issue. Gazalsancheti (talk) 04:36, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

@Gazalsancheti: Verifiability is a core Wikipedia principle. See WP:V for more info on that. You need to cite your sources when you information into an article. See WP:REFB for some tips on how to do that. RudolfRed (talk) 04:57, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

All throughout your reverted content you made non-neutral descriptions: "In the new millennium, Sanjay Jain further expanded his horizons... during which his meticulous preparation and exceptional delivery in the court earned him enormous respect and admiration of the Bench and the colleagues at the Bar.... His appointment... consolidated his growing reputation as a dependable lawyer who could be trusted with sensitive and confidential matters. In recognition of his proficiency as a lawyer... marking a significant milestone in his illustrious career.... established an outstanding practice profile... This position marked his exemplary tenure... a role he served with distinction... achieved the rare distinction of being appointed... made invaluable contributions" and so on, and so on. NONE OF THIS IS ALLOWED. Neutral point of view is a requirement. David notMD (talk) 12:00, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Guest Appearances bulleted list

Hello

On Jimmy Carr I'm not sure what type of feature the "guest appearances" bulleted list is at the bottom. I have a number of items to add, but don't want to blunder in and break it (still feeling my way with edits). Can someone point me at the relevant help page, please?

Thx SecretSquirrel9 (talk) 07:02, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

To add an entry to a bulleted list (in source editing mode) you just need to add an asterisk on each line (*). I would make sure that whatever you're adding doesn't belong in the other tables on the page though. If you're still worried you can make sure you get it right by copying the relevant section into your sandbox and trying it out there. Reconrabbit 13:28, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you - sandbox is a good idea. Job for another day i think.

I'm planning out what needs to go in the tables / text or that bulleted box. There are quite a lot of shows that show him listed on the page related to the show - but then are not linked back to his personal page. I'm probably annoying someone, somewhere (by making lots of small edits and publishing) but trying to go slowly and get used to the interface. SecretSquirrel9 (talk) 14:30, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

@SecretSquirrel9 Small edits are fine and allow others to check they are OK. If you make one huge edit, someone may object to part of it and decide it is easier to revert the whole rather than just the bit they don't like. You made one external link to IMDb which I'll comment about on your Talk Page. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:43, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. I got that impression when I did my first edit that was rejected (discussed elsewhere) and I didn't know which part I'd sinned on! JC is kind of my specialist subject (and comedy in general) and I have a couple of decades of data and images. The problem for me is knowing it...and proving it. SecretSquirrel9 (talk) 17:15, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

seeking help, my article was declined.

good day, i am having challenges with an article and got a referral to Teahouse. can i talk to someone please?

i need to fix the errors or at least know what can be done Or Mbajor (talk) 08:46, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Or Mbajor, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia.

Unfortunately, like hundreds of other people who come here, you have joined Wikipedia and almost immediately started the most difficult task there is - creating a new article - without having spent the time to learn about how Wikipedia works. I see you have made a few small edits first, which is great, but you did not advance from those to more meaty work before plunging straight into the depths. Would you start learning engineering, do a couple of little bench jobs, and then start building a car from scratch?

My advice is to put your draft aside for a few months, while you learn about important matters such as verifiability, reliable sources, neutral point of view and notability. Then study your first article.

Your draft has no inline citation in the way that Wikipedia does them - please see WP:REFB for how to do this.

But more seriously, your draft has no sources that count towards establishing notability. The first five merely mention Ugbor with no detail, and the last is mostly quoting him.

Writing a Wikipedia article begins with finding sources that meet the triple criterion in the golden rule: they are published in reliable places, they are wholly independent of the subject, and they contain significant coverage of the subject. Then you write the article almost 100% based on those independent sources - which means that if you cannot find such sources, then you cannot write an article: this is what our criteria of notability are about. ColinFine (talk) 11:48, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Posting/Pasting from a google docs file

Hello and thank you kindly for taking the time to properly inform me regarding this topic.

I wrote the full page (including external links, sources, affiliations, publications, images and so on...) for the internationally-known artist Linda Saskia Menczel, taking inspiration from other wikipedia pages of great sculpors, artists and painters; such as Constantin Brâncuși, Michelangelo and Leonardo DaVinci.

I have just recently read about the copy-paste policy of wikipedia, and I understood that there are cases in which we can still paste our bulk-wrote text/article into wikipedia and edit it before posting.

My question is: Can I paste my article directly into wikipedia and sending it to review before posting it, considering that the article, and everything related to it was written BY the artist herself and I together, and according to the neutral-tone-guideline? Because re-writing it would be another effort considering it was finished already. (I should mention that we have not seen the copy-paste issue before starting to work at her page).

Thank you again, an please let us know if there is any chance to paste it into wikipedia to continue working at it & reviewing it without doing it all again by hand.

Kind regards, Emanuel (the artist's son). EuropeGotArt (talk) 08:52, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, EuropeGotArt. We do not permit shared accounts and anything you add to Wikipedia must be written by you and only you. Any content that was written BY the artist herself can only be added through the artist's own Wikipedia account. This is a matter of copyright law and handling freely licensed content properly. On another matter, comparing this artist to Brâncuși, Michelangelo and DaVinci is likely to attract heightened scrutiny. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Cullen328 (talk) 09:42, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

And please read WP:COI You have a conflict of interest in writing about your mother. Meters (talk) 09:44, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Understood! Thank you for the clarifications!

Regarding the other matter, by inspiration I meant we checked how other sculptors had their wikipedia page structured, and what info and in what order their article was written; there is no intention of comparing the contemporan artists with the 'consecrated' ones.

Again, thank you for the clarifications and the COI thread! EuropeGotArt (talk) 11:15, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, EuropeGotArt, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia. Besides the points that Cullen made, I have another concern about what you said: "taking inspiration from other wikipedia pages". While the format and appearance of a Wikipedia article is important, of course, the far more important part, that comes first, is the bit that most readers don't even notice: identifying the sources on which the article is to be based. Imagine saying "I have never done any house-building, but I am going to take inspiration from those splendid mansions I've seen". Unless you take the time to study and practice the necessary skills - and particularly the hidden skills, like surveying the site, meeting legal requirements, and building the foundations - your house is not going to be a success, and you are going to have a lot of frustration and disappointment.

Another part of this is that Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources.

What your mother says or wants to say is almost irrelevant to a Wikipedia article about her - as is your knowledge of her. In fact, one of the things that makes it difficult to write an article when you have a COI is that you need to forget pretty well everything you know about the subject once you start writing. Your article must be based almost 100% on what those independent critics have published about her.

I'm sorry if this sounds negative, but my experience is that most people who try to do what you are trying to do have a miserable time, unless they first get themselves thoroughly acquainted with how Wikipedia works, and adjust their expectations to match that. ColinFine (talk) 12:05, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

I may be interested in working on this, posted at OP:s talkpage. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:22, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Vandalising Robert E. Forsythe's wikpedia

Jfrser123 vandalised the Robert E. Forsythe Wikipedia page at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_E._Forsythe please fix this and ban the user. Jinjoioihjnuhjobhub (talk) 09:21, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

It's been undone by another editor, but there was nothing stopping you from undoing it yourself. Meters (talk) 09:27, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

And the editor is now on a level 4 warning. Meters (talk) 09:30, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

And OP indef'ed Meters (talk) 09:33, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

And now both editors are indef'ed. Meters (talk) 09:45, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Citations numerological order broke following an edit to a page? How to fix the numbering of citations?

I edited the Beta Lyrae page to add some notes regarding the etymology of the Sheliak star following a couple hours of original research. I added several primary sources to back my addition regarding the origin of Sheliak's name. I made 2 edits, one originally adding my findings, the second expanding on it and changing the wording.

Following my second edit, the citations now appear to have changed numerological order, and for the life of me I cannot tell why this happened. Might it be some issue with the visual editor? When I press edit on the page the numbers for citations do go into the right order, but then when I leave the editor it goes back to starting at 12. Any chance someone could help fix it so the citations begin with 1 again? MWvBins (talk) 09:32, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, MWvBins. The Mediawiki software renumbers references automatically when changes are made to the references. In this article, many of the references are first used in the infobox. Since the infobox coding is at the very top of the coding for the article, those references are automatically numbered 1, 2, 3 and so on. References in the body of the article that are not used in the infobox will have numbers like 13, 14, 15 and so on. This can be seen quite clearly in the article's infobox. Cullen328 (talk) 09:49, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi MWvBins, the VisualEditor does not parse references defined in templates. It treats those references as simple strings of text. The infobox at the top right of the page is created by templates like {{Starbox begin}}. If you try to edit the box in the VisualEditor, you will see that some parameters are references. To get the correct layout for a Wikipedia article (with the infobox in the top-right position), the infobox templates must come first in the article's source. The references for an article are automatically numbered. That's why references from an infobox or topmost image caption are often the first reference. Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 09:15, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

@MWvBins: I've switched the list-defined references in that article from a template to standard wiki syntax just now.[5] You should be able to see and modify more of the article's references in the VisualEditor. I would not worry much about the numbering, Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 09:24, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Supermoon

Hi, I am not an expert, but I like doing research in various different fields. One subject that specifically interest me is how different things in nature affects us, for ex the moon. Coming to read about Supermoons on Wikipedia I am now wondering if the September 8 Morocco Earthquake shouldn't also be on the list of quakes happening close to a Supermoon or Blue Moon. How can I find someone that would know more on this topic so that it could be added to that list of earthquakes?

Thank you kindly,

Sara Sara Elina (talk) 11:02, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. If you have an idea for improvements to an article, the article's talk page is the best place to discuss that: in this case, Talk:Supermoon ColinFine (talk) 12:11, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

See also Tidal triggering of earthquakes and do non-Wikipedia (Google, etc.) searches on moon and earthquakes. Theories include sun-earth-moon alignment distorting earth's crust and weighting/unweighting of ocean tides. David notMD (talk) 12:15, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you :-) I think I am too much of a novice to edit the source. Can you guide me further where to click so I don ‘t edit anything by accident before knowing if experts on the subject would agree.. Kindly /Sara Sara Elina (talk) 14:03, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

@Sara Elina, you can go to Talk:Supermoon and click the Add topic link at the top. Then type your suggestion for improving the article into the box labeled Description, add a title in the Subject line, and finally click the blue Add topic button. 57.140.16.1 (talk) 15:44, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Ip Vandal rv common notice text

Hi, I search of tasks on Wikipedia, I have decide to look on the recent ip edits list and start reverting any kind of vandal edits. In that case after reverting what is the default notice text that I am required to write on the IP eidtor talk page to notify them. Can someone guide me please. For example look at the latest edit on: Ministry of Culture, Sports and Tourism. Now what notice do I send to that ip editor? 456legendtalk 11:27, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, 456legend. There is no warning that you are obliged to give, (and it's not clear that there is always much point in putting warnings on IP user talk pages, because the vandal may not be on that IP address for long). But the series of templates uw-vandalismn is available - you can choose the n that you think is most appropriate in the case. See Template:Uw-vandalism1 for more information. ColinFine (talk) 12:15, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much 456legendtalk 14:37, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

@456legend: You might want to enable the Twinkle gadget to make it easier to add those warning messages. GoingBatty (talk) 16:28, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

How do I find out if a picture is still copyright protected?

I have a picture of my grandfather from a 1936 box of Wheaties. I would like to add it to his page, Truman Spain. DeeDotEssKay (talk) 11:30, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi, I think it's awesome that you have someone famous as your grandfather. Commons:Hirtle chart is a helpful guide for determining whether an work is in public domain. Since Wheaties is an American brand, this chart is applicable here. I hope this helps! Ca ^{talk to me!} 11:47, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Wikimedia Commons includes several boxes from 1937, like this one. Is that an indicator copyright was never claimed? Valereee (talk) 13:09, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

@Jmabel, does this [6] count as "Published without a copyright notice"? If not, we can put it on en-WP as "fair use", I didn't find any other image of him with a quick googling. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:35, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång: we'd need to see both sides of the card to know for sure, but if we've seen both sides of several similar cards, and they had no notice, you could mention that in the "permission" section of {{Information}} to explain why it is a reasonable assumption that this would not have had notice either. It would help to have links to a couple of similar cards for which we know that, from the closest possible date.

Basically, Commons has a "beyond reasonable doubt" standard. If it's part of a series, and we can show that something was typical for the series, and there's no reason to think this is different, that's good enough, as long as the reasoning is documented.

@Ca: Probably you cannot do all of this through Commons:Special:UploadWizard, so expect to make an edit after uploading. Feel free to ping me after uploading to Commons so I can verify that it was done right. Also, I see there is no existing Commons category for Truman Spain (Q7847732). Let me know if you need help setting that up. - Jmabel | Talk 18:50, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

@Jmabel Per my research today it seems this is a "WHEATIES PANELS SET", meaning it was printed on the box. So the other side would be blank. I guess there could have been something relevant printed elsewhere on the box. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:05, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Yes, if it was physically attached to the box then a notice anywhere on the box would suffice as giving notice. But the other thing I'll guess strongly is that such a copyright would never have been renewed (which would have been necessary for anything in the U.S. in that era, and is not too hard to check, it's all online if not organized as well as one would hope). For a 1936 work, you'd need to check the renewals in 1963 and 1964. - Jmabel | Talk 19:20, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

How to delete duplicate Commons category?

Hello, I just noticed that the category Garou (singer) has a duplicate on Commons, and I would like to remove one of them (one contains fewer images). You can see both here: [7]. Please help me sort this out, thanks! Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 11:52, 29 January 2024 (UTC) Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 11:52, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

That's a matter for Commons, Revirvlkodlaku. Better ask there, specifically at commons:Commons:Help_desk. -- Hoary (talk) 12:14, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

How to ad email to a wiki ad

I FreeMarketEnterprises (talk) 11:57, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

That's a rather surprising question (if I understand it correctly). Are you planning to advertise on Wikipedia, FreeMarketEnterprises? -- Hoary (talk) 12:11, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

What is a "wiki ad"? ColinFine (talk) 12:16, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

This user tried to add an email address to an Wikipedia article, tripping a edit filter that disallows such additions. The short answer is no, you can't. There is no reason to add emails to articles here given that this is an encyclopedia, not a site for advertising. – robertsky (talk) 12:31, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Actually you tried to randomly add your email address to an article about a tree! Regardless, Wikipedia doesn't allow advertising. Secretlondon (talk) 18:03, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Also Free Market Enterprises is a Trade name used at, for example, https://freemarketcompanies.com/.

If this is you, you must change your Username to explicitly represent an individual (say "JaneatFreeMarketEnterprises"), and only that individual may use it: shared Company accounts are not allowed on Wikipedia.

And if this is not you, you must change it so as not to (appear to) impersonate another entity.

Please read Wikipedia:Username policy, particularly Sections 2.4, 2.5, 5, and 7.

Please also read WP:NOPROMO. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.205.103.187 (talk) 19:31, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Selected credits

Hello, I was wondering if there was a standard that must be met for a work to be included in a section beginning with "Selected credits", on an article about an actor. And more generally why this may be added to a section: to avoid making the article too long? or because we assume it is too difficult to reliably confirm every role they've had? Thanks (perhaps there is a guideline about this that I haven't found) BloubDeFontenilles (talk) 14:52, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

@BloubDeFontenilles: I don't see any such recommendations at WP:FILMOGRAPHY or MOS:FILMOGRAPHY (which are shortcuts to different pages). When the filmography gets too long, a separate article can be created (e.g. Tom Hanks filmography). GoingBatty (talk) 16:22, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

@BloubDeFontenilles An alternative is to look at some of the featured article for the related Project, which in this case you'll find at WP:ACTOR. You could also ask your question at one of the Talk Pages associated with that Project, where those most interested and experienced will likely reply. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:25, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

How can I make sure my draft is approved?

Ok, so how can I be 100% sure that my draft will be approved? PlaneCrashKing1264 (talk) 16:03, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

@PlaneCrashKing1264: Welcome to the Teahouse! You have created several drafts, so I'll keep my reply general. Please follow the instructions at Help:Your first article, gather multiple independent published reliable sources that demonstrate that the topic of the draft meets Wikipedia's notability criteria, and write the draft based on those sources, following Wikipedia's Manual of Style, including footnotes. Good luck with your drafts! GoingBatty (talk) 16:18, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

@PlaneCrashKing1264 You can't be absolutely sure, as the whole point of the WP:AfC system is to get feedback from experienced reviewers if they don't immediately accept a draft. Looking at Draft:Chua Vietnam (Japan) you most recently submitted it seems in a pretty good state but I'm not a reviewer. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:19, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Chua Vietnam (Japan) is, I think, intended to be about a building. But its content drifts a long way from that topic. There's a whole section on "Religion in Vietnam", which is unnecessary as Wikipedia already has an article on that subject. There'a section on "Relationship with the local community"; but it's not the building that has that relationship, it's the abbott. There's a section on "Geography", which is about Aikawa town. An article in Wikipedia, or indeed any encyclopedia, should make it clear what its subject is, and stick to that subject. (If you were writing a newspaper article about the temple, it could be different.) Maproom (talk) 18:14, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

hi are you human

human gggggggggggggggggggggggg Hshaw1546 (talk) 16:20, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

@Hshaw1546: Yes, the Teahouse is populated by humans. Do you have a question about using Wikipedia? GoingBatty (talk) 16:41, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Making drastic changes to proofreader's marks article

I'm wondering if it would be okay to make changes to the List of proofreader's marks page? I've noticed that this page is missing a large number of markings from a variety of national and international standards which I feel should be included. Kjharcombe (talk) 16:26, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

@Kjharcombe We are encouraged to be bold but in this case I suggest you first mention your intention at Talk:List of proofreader's marks so that others interested (36 page watchers) can chime in if they don't agree with you. Good luck! Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:29, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

search for books without covers in their infobox from 2010s

I have been searching for images for infoboxes that do not have an image in most decades. I would love to do the 2010s next and then 2020s. I have this built, if anyone can help me to configure it next for 2010s and then 2020s?

[8] Iljhgtn (talk) 17:41, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

@Iljhgtn I think that all you need to do is add a "1" before the final / to get those from 2010 - 2019 publications. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:49, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

i will look at it then again, it is hard for me in source editor mode, i only normally use visual editor. Iljhgtn (talk) 17:52, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

@Iljhgtn When I click on the link you added, I get to the search results page and can just add the extra digit there before hitting the "search" button again. And, of course, placing a "2" rather than a "1" gets the 2020s results.... Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:55, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Please help User:Iljhgtn/Tools#Book_articles_without_cover_images Iljhgtn (talk) 18:05, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

@Iljhgtn:  Fixed in this edit. When making the edit, I presumed that "2000s" meant the decade 2000-2009, not the century 2000-2099. GoingBatty (talk) 19:50, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

you are correct in your assumption. i look at these by decades, thank you for your help Iljhgtn (talk) 19:51, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Explanatory footnotes

My article Draft:Aliasing_(factorial_experiments) produces an empty section entitled Explanatory footnotes. (1) What triggered this section to be created? (2) How do I move some of my footnotes from the Notes section into the Explanatory footnotes section? Johsebb (talk) 18:06, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Johsebb, welcome to the Teahouse. To answer your first question, that section was added in this edit from almost a year ago. It wasn't empty then, it was created to hold a short explanatory note which has since been shunted to the Notes section instead. 57.140.16.1 (talk) 18:31, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

To answer your second question, the "Explanatory footnotes" section contains the code {{reflist|group = note}}. To have a footnote appear in this section, change <ref> to <ref group="note">. For more information, see the documentation, examples, and other options at Template:Reflist. Hap[y editing! GoingBatty (talk) 19:46, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! Odd that I hadn't noticed the addition of that section before.... Johsebb (talk) 15:37, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

New stubs to edit

Hi, I mainly edit stubs of footballers but I was getting pretty sick of it. I will keep doing it but I wanted try editing stubs on other articles, though my knowledge of a lot of topics isn't great. What stubs could I edit and what resources could I use? Thanks :) RossEvans18 (talk) 18:57, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

@RossEvans18 Well, at Category:Stub categories you'll find 19,108 categories of stubs, pick something you like. As for resources, have you tried The Wikipedia Library? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:36, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

If you choose a topic area covered by one or more WikiProjects (you can find them via an article’s talk page), you’ll find that those Projects have an Article Assessment Table. These show ‘Importance’ as well as Quality, allowing you to focus on improving the highest priority articles. Hope this helps. Nick Moyes (talk) 19:55, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

@RossEvans18, you might be interested in the backlog drive that's starting in three days, WP:FEB24. Finding a reference for a totally unsourced article is often similar to expanding stubs. -- asilvering (talk) 00:17, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

This sounds really good, I'm not sure how much I'll be able to contribute but it's a lot of what I do anyway, adding references to articles with very little in them. Thanks for letting me know about this, I didn't know about this :) RossEvans18 (talk) 03:21, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Please help. Keeps getting removed. Below is my draft. what am I doing wrong?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Adriantrevorpunt/sandbox/Webafrica Adriantrevorpunt (talk) 19:53, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

@Adriantrevorpunt: Welcome to the Teahouse! I see you were editing Webafrica to change it from a redirect to an article. In this edit, Rosguill reverted your edits with a summary "rv, promotional, likely WP:UPE". Since the edit summary holds a limited number of characters, Wikipedia editors sometimes use abbreviations.

• "rv" means "reverted"
• "promotional" means "Wikipedia is not the place to promote a business" (see WP:NOTPROMO). The sources you have used in the draft seem to be press releases or interviews, not independent sources.
• "UPE" means "undisclosed paid editing", and WP:UPE is a link to Wikipedia:Conflict of interest#Paid editors, which provides instructions on how paid editors would disclose their relationship with their employer on an article talk page.

Disclose your relationship with the company, and then rewrite your draft based on multiple independent reliable published sources that provide significant coverage of the company. GoingBatty (talk) 20:20, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

The editor in question admits to being paid and possibly sharing an account in Special:Diff/1200557989 but has not properly complied with WP:PAID. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 20:40, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

How do I edit a protected template

Need to edit the Template:Top male singles tennis players by country to Remove a player that switched nationalities. Can you please help me. Sashona (talk) 20:45, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

@Sashona Hello and welcome to Wikipedia! If you could tell me which player you need to switch around, I could do it for you. NW1223<Howl at me•My hunts> 20:51, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

The player is Alexander Shevchenko (tennis) and he switched from Russia to Kazakhstan on 28 January 2024. Sashona (talk) 21:00, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Looking at the docs, it looks like it will be updated weekly. Give it a few days and it will update. NW1223<Howl at me•My hunts> 21:08, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

@Sashona: And it currently says "As of Jan 28, 2024". ATP updates rankings on Mondays so he was still listed as Russian in the Jan 15 rankings [9] which were current on Jan 28. There are no ranking updates during Grand Slams so it wasn't updated Jan 22. ATP moved him to Kazakhstan in the Jan 29 rankings [10]. Wikipedia should automatically follow in our next update. Come back if you see him as Russian in rankings saying "As of" with a date after Jan 28. However, {{Top male singles tennis players by country|RUS}} has to be changed to {{Top male singles tennis players by country|KAZ}} on his article after the next update. I don't know whether a bot does this automatically. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:59, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Templates with Rankings should be updated on Mondays when rankings are official, e.g. 29 January 2024 not 28 January. Then it would have shown Shevchenko is playing for Kazakhstan. Sashona (talk) 22:03, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

@Sashona: It's more complicated than I thought. Module:ATP rankings/data/singles.json was updated Monday Jan 29 but says as of Jan 28, probably because the source [11] says "Report as of Jan 28, 2024". The ATP rankings are updated Mondays but based on Sunday results. The "as of Jan 28" rankings are those listed by ATP on Monday so it is the current rankings now and not those from Jan 15. Shevchenko is listed as KAZ in the source. Maybe Module:ATP rankings/data/singles.json said RUS because Module:ATP rankings/data/overrides.json said RUS at the time. This entry has now been removed.[12] I have manually updated Module:ATP rankings/data/singles.json to change Shevchenko from RUS to KAZ.[13] This has affected {{Top male singles tennis players by country|KAZ}} on Alexander Shevchenko (tennis) so he is now listed there. Module:ATP rankings/data/singles.json is normally updated by a bot and I'm not entirely sure how it will list Shevchenko in the next automatic update. I hope it wil be KAZ now that his old RUS entry in the manually updated Module:ATP rankings/data/overrides.json is gone. You can contact me if you discover he has disappeared from {{Top male singles tennis players by country|KAZ}}. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:26, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, the template should still say "Rankings as of 29 January 2024", which is the correct day, always on a Monday when the official ATP and WTA tennis rankings are published. So the timing of this "bot" job needs to be revisited to make sure there are no issues in the future. Also it would be great if Wikipedia can automate the update process for the WTA female players templates. Sashona (talk) 03:07, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

special user name... Things

This might not be the right kind of question to ask here but, how do I get my user name signature to look cool? Jude Marrero \=D (talk) 21:07, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Jude marrero, welcome to the Teahouse. There are instructions and examples here. Just keep in mind that there are limitations on things like length, color contrast, external links, etc. 57.140.16.1 (talk) 21:23, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Question

What's this operation called [[The actual page name this link is supposed to redirect to|custom name]]. I saw a Wikipedia page explaining the code a while ago but I forgot the name. Bzik2324 (talk) 22:04, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

@Bzik2324 Welcome to the Teahouse. This is called a 'piped link' (the vertical character being known as a 'pipe') For more information, see Wikipedia:Piped link. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:16, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

this is called 'piping'! it's used to link something under a different title then the original! Babysharkboss2!! ^{(Hells Bells (Talk Page btw))} 00:09, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Help me witj my article

Hey Guys, what do you think of my text to wikipedia?

Sandbox text without citations - better to use link below

'Rebecca Victorino Faria Silva, born on December 11, 1992, is a Brazilian entrepreneur and wellness influencer with a focus on lymphatic drainage and health. She is known as the founder and owner of 'Detox By Rebecca.' Carrer Rebecca began her professional journey in Brazil in 2010, offering lymphatic drainage services in a makeshift space. Over the years, she specialized in the field and, by 2017, worked as a massage therapist. In 2018, Rebecca expanded her expertise by studying Oriental Medicine in Sydney, Australia. Subsequently, she established a specialized spa in the United States, emphasizing lymphatic drainage and gained notoriety by developing her own technique. Rebecca has gained recognition, having been featured in various magazines, including Forbes, POOSH and others. She has worked with a diverse clientele, including individuals such as Hailey Bieber, Kim Kardashian.'

See text and citations at User:OffBeat.us/sandbox

Is it ok to publish here? OffBeat.us (talk) 23:13, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, OffBeat.us, and welcome to the Teahouse.

I'm afraid that, as usual for people who try to create an article before they have spent time learning the craft of writing for Wikipedia, the answer is No, not in its present form.

You have done better than a lot of people: you have actually got some sources. The problem is that none of them meet the golden rule that is required to establish that the subject is notable: most of them are not independent, and one of them doesn't mention the subject at all.

Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources.

My advice, as usual in these circumstances, is to forget about your draft entirely for a few months, while you learn about Wikipedia by making improvements to some of our six million existing articles; in particular, learning about verifiability, reliable sources, neutral point of view and notability.

Then once you've got a hold on those, you can read your first article and try again to find sources with the necessary qualities. ColinFine (talk) 23:49, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

How do I create an article for my own personal use that no one else can see?

Just trying to create a reference for myself that no one else can see of a set of templates here that was deleted for no reason despite experts in the field referencing it all the time. 162.206.224.229 (talk) 23:55, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

uhh, well most things on here are public, but for that type of thing, i would recommend something like your sandbox? Babysharkboss2!! ^{(Hells Bells (Talk Page btw))} 00:10, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

How do I create an article for my own personal use that no one else can see? The answer is that you should use another website, or use your computer's hard drive. Or even better, use a typewriter or a ball point pen and sheets of paper. All content added to Wikipedia can be seen by others. Cullen328 (talk) 03:06, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

How many admins are women?

Hi everyone, I know that the Internet and technology tends to be male-dominated and I was just wondering how many Wikipedia admins are women? I feel like we shouldn’t have to specify but I guess it’s the world we live in, but by women I mean actual female. Karen.r91 (talk) 00:22, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello. I'm a bit concerned that the underlying premise of your question is limited to what I assume you mean to be those assigned female at birth. You are entitled to your personal views, but Wikipedia is an environment open to humans of all races, genders, religions, etc. There will be trans women around.

In any event, to answer you, no user is under any obligation to identify their gender, or identify it correctly. I do know some who identify as female, but I'm not sure of the percentage. 331dot (talk) 00:44, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

To be clear, it's not that 331dot, personally, is unsure of the percentage, but that none of us know the percentage, since wikipedia does not collect information on editor gender. It does collect information on editor pronouns, but that won't be useful to you, because many editors leave this blank (and thus are not gendered). Not to mention that "people who use the pronoun 'she'" does not accord with your desired definition of woman. -- asilvering (talk) 00:57, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog Babysharkboss2!! ^{(Hells Bells (Talk Page btw))} 01:04, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

It’s not my “desired definition”, it’s the definition. What a person “identifies as” is irrelevant in the face of objective fact. I respect your opinion and believe it’s ok for us to disagree, though. Karen.r91 (talk) 02:37, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Karen.r91, you may find the article Intersex enlighting. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.205.103.187 (talk) 02:41, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Karen is a known LTA troll who posts stupid stuff. I've blocked this account, and suggest it's ignored. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 02:47, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

BTW We have an article on Gender bias on Wikipedia. Shantavira|^{feed me} 10:41, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. David notMD (talk) 03:20, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

What do you know? Sockpuppeting trolls are unable to control themselves, waste other people's valuable time, and get blocked for acting like pests. "Tale As Old As Time". Cullen328 (talk) 10:52, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

2024 Race for Governor of N.C.

Please insert the website for Candidate, Attorney Marcus W. Williams: https://WilliamsHouseUSA.com or www.AttorneyMarcusWilliamsforGovernor.com Further, please remove the derogatory and arbitrary comment of: "...perennial candidate..." which was gleaned from some meaningless news article. Thank you. 2606:A000:FFC0:4:75DD:AA77:CC95:68D0 (talk) 01:04, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

??? ltbdl (talk) 01:21, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

user:ltbdl, it may be related to User:Whittman/sandbox, who knows. Drmies (talk) 01:52, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

More likely 2024 North Carolina gubernatorial election, but it would be nice if these drive-bys specified which of our 6.77 million articles they were talking about.

The requested link to this candidate's official campaign website is in fact already in the article, along with those of eight others, in the External links section. I do not know enough about USA politics to decide whether the specified comment is appropriate or not. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.205.103.187 (talk) 02:45, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

IP editor: Welcome to the Teahouse! The best place to make a comment or suggestion about a Wikipedia article is the article's talk page. For example, if you were referring to the article 2024 North Carolina gubernatorial election, its talk page is Talk:2024 North Carolina gubernatorial election. At the top left of every article is a "Talk" link that will take you to its associated talk page. Thanks, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 03:34, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

I have removed the unsourced contentious claim "perennial candidate", per WP:BLP. ColinFine (talk) 10:24, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Could someone cite topic bans and regular bans procedure?

What's the policy for those? I'm facing a topic ban right now and others are threatening a ban. I would like to see some revision to the procedure because there was no warning, no talking to, and it's been difficult to get the reasoning behind the ban. If someone is topic banned then they should be quoted for CIR, DEADHORSE, etc., not just told they've done those things. I'm just trying to make that point in the best possible place :) Cmsmith93 (talk) 01:09, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

• Cmsmith93, this is not the place. Wikipedia talk:Administrators' noticeboard was also not the place. You also tried User talk:RegentsPark. But it all started on WP:ANI, of course, where you were offered links to WP:CIR etc. So no: stop it. Drmies (talk) 01:24, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
  • Of course this isn't the place. The Admin's noticeboard was about different things, unrelated to this. I'm asking what is the place? Cmsmith93 (talk) 01:50, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
    • You could certainly start with WP:BAN. Cheers. Dumuzid (talk) 01:56, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
    • Well, you're not "facing" a topic ban, you have been topic-banned. And there was a note there that led you to User_talk:ScottishFinnishRadish#Could_you_explain_my_ban?, where an answer was given. On the administrator's noticeboard one or two editors expressed surprise you hadn't been blocked altogether, and those editors may have a point. Drmies (talk) 01:57, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Sharing a video from Flickr

Hello!

How could I share a video from Flickr? I did a test, but couldn't figure it out. On Flickr, there are a number of high quality and relevant videos with appropriate license. It would be good to figure out how to upload them on Wikimedia.

I tried sharing a video from Flickr but I get an error – "File extension ".jpg" does not match the detected MIME type of the file (video/x-m4v)" (printscreen here) However, there are videos originating from Flickr on Wikimedia, for example:

• example1
• example2

I found a couple of Wikipedia bots doing Flickr uploads, but I one is inactive (presentation page) and the other one does not work for me. It asks to login, I do, but it never logs me in. I tried different browsers too. There must be a better way. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Learn new things in 2024 (talk • contribs) 01:53, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Learn new things in 2024 (talk) 01:19, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Asked on Commons:Village_pump on the advice of Drmies. Thank you @Drmies! 🙂 Learn new things in 2024 (talk) 02:22, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Videos from Youtube on Wikimedia

I came across a number of videos on Wikimedia originating from Youtube:

• example1
• example2

What YouTube videos are allowed on Wikimedia and how does upload procedure look like? Learn new things in 2024 (talk) 01:36, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Sidenote:

Did these two videos - example3 and exmaple4 videos get uploaded via the regular Upload Wizzard? Learn new things in 2024 (talk) 01:39, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Those are on Commons: try asking here. Drmies (talk) 01:59, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you @Drmies

What's the difference between Wikipedia and Wikimedia, why are they separate? Learn new things in 2024 (talk) 02:08, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Wikimedia is the overarching organization, so to speak. Commons is where they have pictures and videos. We write beautiful articles. Drmies (talk) 02:13, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

@Learn new things in 2024: We write beautiful articles in English. There are dozens of Wikipedias in other languages. Commons is a central repository of pictures and videos that can be shared across all Wikipedias. Better to upload a picture or video once than dozens of places. GoingBatty (talk) 03:31, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Wikidata & Commons categories

Some people and organisations have a Wikidata entry (e.g. Bear Grylls), some don't. Some people and organisations have a Commons category entry (e.g. Bear Grylls again), some don't.

How do Wikidata and Commons categories get created? Can they be created automatically by a bot or something?
Learn new things in 2024 (talk) 02:26, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

@Learn new things in 2024: Welcome to the Teahouse! Wikidata and Wikimedia Commons are separate projects from the English Wikipedia. Some of there entries get created manually, but I don't know what bots they have. You could peruse the information in wikidata:Help:Contents (which includes a section called "Bot operators") and commons:Help:Contents. If you still have further questions, you could ask at wikidata:Wikidata:Project chat and commons:Commons:Help desk. Hope this points you in the right directions. GoingBatty (talk) 03:25, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Commons categories are created manually, just like enwiki. It takes someone to go to commons, decide there are enough files to be worth creating a category, create the cat page, and place the files in it. Like enwiki, commons tends to frown on very small cats, so sometimes it will just be a few files in a cat with a broader scope. There's no guideline that commons and enwiki need to have the same granularity. DMacks (talk) 07:05, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

{{course assignment}}

sometimes i see that, what does that mean that an article was a "course assignment"? Iljhgtn (talk) 02:29, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

For example: Paul Oliver v. Samuel K. Boateng Iljhgtn (talk) 02:30, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Specifically: Talk:Paul Oliver v. Samuel K. Boateng Iljhgtn (talk) 02:31, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Seems that students get to make an article as an assigment.

Talk page of your example – Paul Oliver v. Samuel K. Boateng Learn new things in 2024 (talk) 02:39, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

@Iljhgtn: Welcome to the Teahouse! The {{course assignment}} banner generates text stating "This article was the subject of an educational assignment", which links to Wikipedia:Student assignments. Did you have a specific question about the information on Wikipedia:Student assignments? GoingBatty (talk) 03:18, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

just does not seem like a good idea to me to be letting students create things left and right. Iljhgtn (talk) 03:21, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

@Iljhgtn: Knowledgeable instructors teaching people the proper ways to use Wikipedia seems like a much better idea than people trying to figure it out on their own, getting frustrated when they realize Wikipedia has actual policies, and wasting the time of our small pool of volunteers. GoingBatty (talk) 03:29, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

that does make sense. Iljhgtn (talk) 03:34, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia is the encyclopedia that anyone can edit. -- asilvering (talk) 03:50, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

There is an extensive and nice-looking set of training materials and practice/walkthough modules that instructors can deploy. That, plus careful instructor supervision of article-choice and content contributions can lead to good results. DMacks (talk) 07:02, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

More often, the assignments are to improve existing articles versus creating new articles, as new-to-Wikipedia editors are highly likely to fail at the latter. Basically, an unfair assignment. David notMD (talk) 13:25, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

i do not have strong feelings on this, apparently others might. i am happy to move on. thank you all for your thoughts. Iljhgtn (talk) 14:51, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Past or Present Tense?

I'm just wondering if all the words in any article should completely be written in past or present tense. Also, when and how to tell if it's supposed to vary, repeatedly from one of the two, during each section of the article. Finally, do we censor inappropriate words stated by celebrities, pilots, or just random people? If so, how? CreatorOfMinecraftHerobrine (talk) 04:55, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

@CreatorOfMinecraftHerobrine: Use appropriate tense. I try to avoid future tense, but past or present is appropriate depending on context. For example, when describing the past career of a notable person, use past tense, but when describing that person's current career, use present tense.

As for censorship, emphatically no, because we have a policy that Wikipedia is not censored. ~Anachronist (talk) 04:59, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

@CreatorOfMinecraftHerobrine The WP manual of style has a section about what tense to use and when: see MOS:TENSE. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:07, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

If you add a town or city category, should the historic or ceremonial county category then be removed?

For example, I've just added Musical groups from Bradford‎ category to the Bradford band Black Dyke Band.

Should the Musical groups from West Yorkshire category now be removed? Danstarr69 (talk) 05:09, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

@Danstarr69: Welcome to the Teahouse! Since Category:Musical groups from Bradford is a subcategory of Category:Musical groups from West Yorkshire, then yes, you should remove Category:Musical groups from West Yorkshire. For more info, see WP:PARENTCAT. GoingBatty (talk) 05:29, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Talk page etiquette

Hello, I have done a search for talk page etiquette, specifically regarding the interactions between user edits on the page while there is an active conversation going on on the talk page. After reading these pages: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Talk_pages https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Etiquette I haven't found an answer to my question. Would appreciate any insights. Thank you, Hemmingweigh (talk) 05:38, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi, I'm afraid I don't really get your question. Can you try rephrasing it? Ca ^{talk to me!} 06:54, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

@Hemmingweigh, I'm unclear what your question is, but Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines has some do:s and don't:s. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:18, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

We also have general hints as how to behave on-wiki, to be found here: Wikipedia:Etiquette; talk page behaviour is to be found there, under Wikipedia:AVOIDABUSE . Lectonar (talk) 08:20, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Need help

I recently moved a page from userpage to mainspace, but I forgot to remove my username, so the page appears as Youprayteas/Ardahan Castle. I can't seem to move it again since somehow Ardahan Castle is a redirect to Youprayteas/Ardahan Castle. Please help me, this is an accident and not an attempt on vandalism or something. Youprayteas (talk) 08:49, 30 January 2024 (UTC) PS: The issue is fixed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Youprayteas (talk • contribs) 09:00, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

@Youprayteas, it seems like User:Liz already fixed the problem. Don't worry about making mistakes, everyone does it sometimes! Ca ^{talk to me!} 09:02, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Puffery word

I just read the MOS:PUFFERY, where i didn't find the word 'Highly'. Have a look at this, It is written "He was born on 26 February in Sufi City of Safipur, in a highly religious Sufi family. May i remove the word highly or not? Kindly help. -- QuadriSyedSahab(T · C 09:58, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia articles should reflect what reliable sources say. Does that statement reflect what is stated in reliable source? If not it can be removed. The listed MOS words are only examples of puffery, and there are many more that are not listed there. Shantavira|^{feed me} 10:36, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

@Shantavira The subject belongs to a Sufi family but i don't think it can be 'Highly', there are many Sufi family in India. -- QuadriSyedSahab(T · C 15:02, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, QuasdriSyed, and welcome to the Teahouse. In this context, I don't see the word "highly" as making a value judgment, so I wouldn't call it puffery.

Much more serious is the fact that the paragraph is unreferenced. Until I just edited it, it had the appearance of being sourced, but the reference was to a website about the location, which did not mention the subject of the article at all. So I have removed the ref and added {{citation needed}}. ColinFine (talk) 10:37, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

@ColinFine, I understood and Thanks for welcoming me. I fixed and refilled some of the Bare URLs. -- QuadriSyedSahab(T · C 15:30, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

how long do i have to wait to have my account confirmed?

I'm really keen on updating pages that have concerningly incorrect information displayed that I can rectify and substantiate with the requisite sources and citations. would it be possible for someone to tell me how long this process will take? Sighsharehere (talk) 13:05, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

@Sighsharehere: Accounts become autoconfirmed after 4 days and 10 edits. You already have the requisite number of edits, so you should be confirmed at 7:15 (UTC) on February 2. Deor (talk) 13:21, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Sighsharehere and welcome to the teahouse. In addition to when your account will be autoconfirmed, if you see something that should be changed on an article that you cannot edit, you're free to make an edit request (see Wikipedia:Edit requests) to signal to other editors to fix it. Just follow the instructions and be as exact as possible about what needs to change. Skynxnex (talk) 14:00, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Can someone help me nominate a bunch of articles/stubs for deletion?

If you click around to some of the linked articles on this page, it would appear that there are dozens of stubs created for every little agency and sub-agency of this region. Most are written poorly, where there is any writing at all. Not to be conspiratorial but it seems like some entity created them for weird SEO or propaganda purposes. Government of Bashkortostan. Dreameditsbrooklyn (talk) 13:32, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

See under Agencies, list of agencies that Wikilink to short articles about those agencies. David notMD (talk) 13:39, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, I know. And most of them are poorly written if they have any words at all beyond repeating the title. Dreameditsbrooklyn (talk) 13:41, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Appears these were all created by User:Ayratayrat in 2014. As Ayratayrat is still an active editor, perhaps opening a discussion on that person's Talk page would be preferred to a multi-article deletion attempt. David notMD (talk) 13:44, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

I don't think stubs on government ministries is great propaganda, nor what Bashkortostan would want with English language SEO. Most likely they're created in good faith. If you feel they're not likely to improve and don't stand well alone, consider merging them before deleting. CMD (talk) 13:49, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! Dreameditsbrooklyn (talk) 13:58, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Stuck on The Wikipedia Adventure Mission 1?

Hi all,

Thought I'd try out the Wikipedia Adventure to sharpen up my skills at editing, as I'm new. I'm attempting Mission 1, where you edit your userpage to say hello, but I can't seem to get the game to understand that I've now done this. I left the box open, edited the source of my userpage, and published my changes, but the box is still there. Any advice?

EDIT: Seems to be related to me using the 2017 wikitext editor; everything worked fine after I turned it off in Preferences:Editing.

Thanks! Chronque (talk) 15:25, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

on whatever the fuck this is

what

for whatever reason, this exact error has been flooding the entire right side of my screen since... the second time i tried to turn my pc on today?

in case of need, the full link is https://en.wikipedia.org/w/load.php?lang=en&modules=ext.popups.main&skin=monobook&version=1ul2s

any idea what it could be? cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 15:52, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

It looks like a javascript error on the popups extension Polyamorph (talk) 16:07, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Need help

How to edit Wikipedia? I’m a recently created editor and wanted any welcome for me. What about Signpost? Plotogate3-7 (talk) 16:06, 30 January 2024 (UTC)