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August 29

Userboxs

How do I create a Userbox. --VitasV (talk) 08:13, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This is a pretty broad question. What kind of userbox are you looking to make? — $PЯINGεrαgђ 03:39 2 September, 2008 (UTC)

Picture won't show

I tried to upload a picture to the Commons for use in the Bethmann family article but it won't show, please help.--Goodmorningworld (talk) 01:28, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Are you commons:User:Goodmorningworld on Commons? You appear to have not uploaded an image there: See commons:Special:Contributions/Goodmorningworld. x42bn6 Talk Mess 01:31, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the reply. Upload worked this time, but pic still won't show...--Goodmorningworld (talk) 01:41, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've WP:PURGEd the page which made the image show up. x42bn6 Talk Mess 01:46, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It worked, thank you very much! (I put back the Translated Page message on the article because that is where I want it to be.)--Goodmorningworld (talk) 01:55, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

PHD degree

Do you have to have a PHD degree to be a professor in a university?

”””°………≈≈≈ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.43.234.70 (talk) 01:59, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. Gtstricky^{Talk or C} 02:05, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Does there exist a list of previously deleted articles anywhere?

Hello.

Does there exist a list of deleted articles anywhere?

I ask out of interest in finding out whether a specific article has already been deleted before for whatever reason. That way, without accessing any article content, I can review any discussion around the deletion, and then based on that decide whether I should just not bother re-creating it in the first place. That would be my preference if I don't have more information to offer than whatever warranted prior deletion[s] and would save unnecessarily repeating prior discussions.

-thanks, Onceler (talk) 02:49, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, there is the Deletion Log. Also, if you go to create a new article, it should have a note at the top of the initial editing screen saying "This article has previously been deleted, blah blah blah". Is that what you're looking for? --Alinnisawest,^{Dalek Empress} (extermination requests here) 02:54, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) Well, there's a couple of options of which I know. There's the deletion log, which logs all of the deleted pages. Or, if you think the article in question has been deleted before by an articles for deletion discussion, you can type WP:Articles for deletion/PAGENAME in the searchbar on the left hand side of the page to see if brings up any results. I hope this helps! TN‑X-Man 02:55, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Try searching using WP:Articles for deletion/Name of Article For example, go to WP:Articles for deletion/Laurence Clancy. (This is an article I wrote, but it was eventually deleted.) Cheers. Dolphin51 (talk) 02:56, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

More information is under WP:EIW#Postmortem, including:

Deletionpedia – An automated bot uploads pages to this website as they are deleted from Wikipedia.

You can search Deletionpedia with {{Google custom}}:

Type this	To get this	What it produces, or searches for
`{{google custom\|deletionpedia.dbatley.com\|\|Search Deletionpedia with Google}}`	Search Deletionpedia with Google	Blank form to search Deletionpedia (articles deleted from Wikipedia)

--Teratornis (talk) 05:29, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks to all for this information. It looks like there are more options than I expected. -regards, Onceler (talk) 05:57, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Advanced Editing

Is there someone I can talk to or a website or page that deals with help on more advanced wikia editing? e.g. internal scroll boxes, tabbed pages, more expert font techniques Lovemuffin333 02:59, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Try Help:Wikitext examples and other pages in the box on the right of that page. --Alinnisawest,^{Dalek Empress} (extermination requests here) 03:12, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a site that has guides about advanced wikia editing? I have been eager to find one for some time. Lovemuffin333 03:53, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This is the Help desk for Wikipedia. Wikia is a separate of project Jimbo Wales. I'm surprised that Wikia itself would not have the manuals you need. Did you try {{Google}}ing?

Nothing jumps right out, so maybe this isn't easy to find. Did you look on the Wikia Help wiki? We can search it with {{Google custom}}:

Type this	To get this	What it produces, or searches for
`{{google custom\|help.wikia.com\|\|Search Wikia Help wiki with Google}}`	Search Wikia Help wiki with Google	Blank form to search Wikia Help wiki)

--Teratornis (talk) 05:42, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Anomaly

I have never edited the Simple English Wikipedia. I was just exploring the new user navigation links that pop up on the bottom of a user's contribution page, checked my global contributions, and found a single edit by "me" to the Simple English Wikipedia with a bizarre edit summary. I assure you I did not make this edit, never used (or would use) an incomprehensible edit summary such as that, don't know what it means, have never seen this template before, and have a super strong, 16 digit password. I understand that sometimes when pages are transwikied an edit made on another project can migrate but I have never touched this template on any project. So, how is this possible?--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 04:22, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm. It occurs to me that this was prior to unified login. I thought if another user had an identical account, I could not have automatically usurped it; maybe I'm wrong about that and therein lies the answer?--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 04:29, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think it was because of this edit you made here, which was probably dumped and merged somehow. --Kjoonlee 05:34, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The following edit to simple:Template:Uw-lang was [1] with edit summary "1 revision from en:Template:Uw-lang", and at the time the latest edit to en:Template:Uw-lang was by Fuhghettaboutit according to the page history. The edit summary there makes sense in the context. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:03, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fuhghettaboutit was working on templates at the time.[2] I see how this edit could easily be forgotten 8 months later when it was viewed without the diff at the simple Wikipedia. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:09, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, thanks everyone. So it was a GFDL violating transwiki (full edit history not imported) which implied I created the template with that edit summary. I would have remembered creating the template, but not the language tweak at the end, which now demistifies the edit summary.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:20, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

EXE Sandbox

I am interested in developing while offline and being able to see things. However I'm using a laptop and wish to do so offline, is there any downloadable version of MediaWiki/Wikipedia that I can use to test realtime(or page by page) changes I make on an offline version? I figure it just needs to be able to parse the pages, but I'd simply like to know if it exists, since finding stuff about Wikipedia ON Wikipedia is hard to do, especially with so many Wikis out there, and with information about other things out here. Pyrofyr (talk) 04:54, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You may find something helpful at [3], in particular mw:Manual:Wiki on a stick, a specific installation for removable USB media. There are also Wikipedia database dumps located somewhere around here, if you're interested in particular in working with Wikipedia content, although you will probably also need to install most of the extensions listed at Special:Version for things to work properly (and there may be other things not listed there, I'm not 100% sure). Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 05:24, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed link. --Kjoonlee 05:39, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to actually mirror all of, say, the English Wikipedia, you would have to download quite a bit. But if you just want your own MediaWiki wiki to try fairly simple edits, you can easily install MediaWiki as your own personal wiki via the wiki on a stick method. Installing MediaWiki gives you a very bare-bones wiki, compared to what you probably take for granted on Wikipedia. Wikipedia has extensions, lots of templates, some customized CSS (see MediaWiki:Common.css), and at least one extra program running on the server (HTML Tidy) which actually changes the behavior of the parser (which means some types of complex template markup won't run the same without HTML Tidy). Finding stuff about Wikipedia on Wikipedia is actually easy to do; you need two tools:

The Editor's index
The {{Help desk searches}} template on your user page

--Teratornis (talk) 05:53, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Why thank you, the wiki on a stick seems like what I want. I'm planning on eventually starting up some projects on a wiki that's not made yet, so I want to get some practice and learn most of the more advanced things like toolboxes and setting up complicated templates, but I want to be able to do it in the car on my laptop and stuff, so I'll definitely try it out. Also thanks for the link to HTML Tidy, I'll try and check out extensions that would be worthwhile as well for sure. 72.1.81.226 (talk) 15:10, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Article on Robert Marsden

I initiated an article on the British actor Robert Marsden, entering into correspondence over editing and providing references, and attempting to improve my use of Wikipedia. I subsequently supplied a photograph, which appeared in the article this week. Today the article is missing when I searched for it. I am curious to know what has happened.

Regards Rogersansom (talk) 07:08, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have not trouble finding it; it is at Robert Marsden. The log does not show any deletion of the article. —teb728 t c 08:10, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, I'm happy to hear that. If it's not my computer, then, it must be something to do with search engines I suppose. Obliged to you.

Rogersansom (talk) 09:10, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Linking to Conception dream

Hi, I've just started a stub, conception dream. However, I'm having a bit of trouble generating backlinks for the article. Any ideas, please? --Kjoonlee 07:44, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm assuming that by "backlinks" you mean "What links here"-type links. Is the topic addressed in any of the articles you list under "see also"? If so, go to those articles and wikilink the term (or whatever term those articles use for conception dreams, properly piped). --Orange Mike | Talk 13:03, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

By any chance, is the issue here that "Conception dream" is not itself an article but a redirect to "Conception dreams"? Wanderer57 (talk) 13:09, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nope; the redirect was done after the discussion started. --Orange Mike | Talk 23:28, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

ppast version of copyright infingement in Japanese Wikipedia

Why the past version of copyright infingement articles will be specific version delete in Japanese Wikipedia. RushdimIDlike (talk) 08:42, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I guess that's their copyright policy? Each Wiki in the Wikimedia system can set its own copyright enforcement policy, seeing as the official policy on this doesn't specify how to enforce it. In root, you can look at it as a legal issue. Under American law, a copyright violation is generally only penalized where it may undercut the copyright holder's profits. A copy of a copyrighted work in an obscure and non Google-able revision history, a work that is freely available online anyway, is unlikely to yield a viable lawsuit, and is unlikely to produce any lawsuit, in fact. So there is little point being paranoid and deleting every single CV revision. On the other hand, the complete works of some author, never published in digital form, can threaten his profits merely by existing in the history as someone might be linking to it. So certainly some CV revisions are worth deleting, but all is simply excessive. But if the Japanese Wikipedians want to follow that policy, that's their choice. Someguy1221 (talk) 09:17, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't disagree with the above reply, but in the future, Google says it intends to make the Deep web searchable, and presumably that would include things such as Wikipedia's revision histories. That's probably years away, if it ever happens. --Teratornis (talk) 16:35, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fonts

Hi. I'm trying to write an article on a mathematics theorem but can't find the right font. I want a sort of curly D. Where to find a list of fonts that I can use in <math> mode? Thanks, Robinh (talk) 11:06, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The <math> mode uses LaTeX to display math notation, a guide to using it can be found here. The code to display a curly D seems to be <math>\partial</math> to get

\partial

193.194.132.78 (talk) 12:10, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Or possibly <math>\mathcal D</math> (

{\mathcal {D}}

) or <math>\mathfrak D</math> (

{\mathfrak {D}}

). Algebraist 12:13, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks guys. mathfrak D was what I was looking for. I didn't know about Help:Displaying a formula; how would I have discovered this from the Main page if I didn't know about it? Robinh (talk) 13:25, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, from the Main Page I guess the easiest way would be to click on help and then use this search which reveals the page Help:Displaying a formula. The Main Page and main Help Page are general considered tools for the reader not the editor. This means us editors learn things by doing exactly what you just did, asking around and experimenting. Happy editing! Scotty dude _review 13:52, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

<hits own head> Thanks Scottydude; I've never noticed the clickable help link on the main page. Check out the totally stubby Helly metric and the devastatingly erudite use of mathfrak. Best wishes, Robinh (talk) 14:01, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Help link is on all pages. You could also have tried your luck with an upper case WP: shortcut like WP:MATH or WP:FORMULA. Both work and are probably the easiest way to get there next time. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:04, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It appears from [4] that WP:TEX is the shortest. Just enter that in the search box on any page. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:12, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

history

How do I use this site to find out history about Mcleansville Nc, or is this site not used for history. We need to know who Mcleansville Nc was named after. If I'm at the wrong site will you please help me with were I need to be.66.233.162.12 (talk) 12:54, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There is an article for McLeansville at McLeansville, North Carolina, but it does not include any history of the town's name. You may want to try Googling McLeansville. Cheers! TN‑X-Man 13:00, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Here is a standardized reply:

Have you tried the Humanities section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:08, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

why ban users not fair

why ban users cause then you cant make a account —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cyberdemon4 (talk • contribs) 15:27, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cyberdemon4, please stop asking such questions here. A bunch of us assumed good faith earlier, but you are quickly wearing out your welcome. A look at your contribs shows that you aren't interested in contributing to the project so much as constantly wondering inane questions about blocks, bans, and "getting an IP". Please stop wasting our time. Tan ǀ 39 15:31, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cyberdemon4 has been blocked indefinitely.Laenir (talk) 17:53, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

byebye, the wikipedia adaction.

I will put the wikibreak to prevent addcition on Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.68.144.2 (talk) 16:33, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Enjoy your wikibreak. Barring some unforeseen catastrophe, Wikipedia should be here when you want to resume editing. Imagine how great it would be if every business used corporate wikis and figured out how to make gainful employment as enjoyable as Wikipedia. Then everyone could get addicted to their job. While you're away, you might want to read some books by Clay Shirky and Yochai Benkler to get some insight into why you find Wikipedia so addicting. --Teratornis (talk) 18:43, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I can't seem to be able to Edit or Add any comments in the Questions pages?

As above, I have not experienced this problem before, and have even created a new account name and password, but the problem persists, and I cannot see any bold announcement on the Main Page or elsewhere to explain why not. Can you advise what I might be doing wrong please? Thanks Lacamisanegra (talk) 16:39, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Which pages can you not edit? --Alinnisawest,^{Dalek Empress} (extermination requests here) 16:49, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This is confusing. Clearly, I was able to answer your question here by clicking on the Edit and typing this. But I can't see the EDIT as I used to on any of the responses to Questions on the Reference Desks. So I can't add any responses myself or even ask any new questions. Confused? So am I. Lacamisanegra (talk) 16:52, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

More confusing yet - it only seems to be a problem in the Miscellaneous section of the Reference Desk. Any suggestions? Lacamisanegra (talk) 16:55, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A little confused. But let's see, why could that be... Have you changed any of your preferences lately? There is an option to get rid of the edit button... but that would affect all pages, not just the Miscellaneous Reference Desk. Also, if you go to the history and look at an older version of the page, the "edit" option will not show up. --Alinnisawest,^{Dalek Empress} (extermination requests here) 16:56, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks but no, I have not changed any preferences recently. But I did just try to "Ask a new question here" in the Miscellaneous section and the attached text jumped up - does this help you to see my problem better/ Thanks. This page is currently semi-protected, and can be edited only by established registered usersItalic text —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lacamisanegra (talk • contribs) 17:01, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Very odd. Has some admin semi-protected the page? An "established user" is someone who's had the account for... I forget how long, but they have to have made several edits. Let me check and see if it's semi-protected. --Alinnisawest,^{Dalek Empress} (extermination requests here) 17:04, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You have to be autoconfirmed before you can edit semi-protected pages. Your account has to be active for four days and you have to make at least ten edits. Why that page is semi-protected, I don't know though. Cheers! TN‑X-Man 17:11, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The protection level of the Misc. Desk has been changing over the last couple weeks due to vandalism. Just thought I'd throw that out there... Dismas|^(talk) 17:10, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I've solved the problem- the page was vandalized several times by both IP users and some "unestablished" accounts, so it was semi-protected to head off the vandals. Not the best choice, I don't think, but that's the reason. What was the question? I can post it on the Desk for you, if you'd like. --Alinnisawest,^{Dalek Empress} (extermination requests here) 17:11, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It has now been unprotected- feel free to add your question! --Alinnisawest,^{Dalek Empress} (extermination requests here) 17:20, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks folks - and you especially Alinnisawest - I really do appreciate your efforts in this regard. Again, many thanks. Lacamisanegra (talk) 20:11, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

citing pages within books

Dear all, try as I might I cannot find out how... do you reference different pages from one book at different sections of the same article. The obvious is to repeat the Citebook template and add in title etc every time. Is there a better, easier, tidier way. Thanks Edmund Patrick – confer 17:08, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Edmund; check out Landing at Kip's Bay for a good example of this. It's the "Chicago" citation style you're looking for. Tan ǀ 39 17:11, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

many thanks, I get the idea, why didn't I think of looking at other articles. I will sandbox play first, as all references move to notes including web etc, looks a bit of a mess. Thanks for the assistance. Edmund Patrick – confer 18:03, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WP:CITE describes some options, and see Wikipedia:Citing sources/Example edits for different methods. It's a good idea on Wikipedia to look at featured articles now and then, to avoid getting led astray by looking at the vast majority of articles which are of less than featured quality. Our goal is, ostensibly, to get every article up to featured quality, but most people learn about Wikipedia mostly by looking at the relatively few articles they find interesting, and if few or none of those are featured articles, people may build up an incomplete impression of where our articles should be going. --Teratornis (talk) 19:00, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Show/hide section?

I'm working on improving Razed in Black (not really a fan, just happened to stumble on it and noticed it needed some love) (here is the page as it appeared when I posed this question. Marvose (talk) 22:31, 29 August 2008 (UTC)). I've made the Compilations and Remixes sections hidden, because they're both very long lists that ugly up the article. I'm really not happy with the way they looks or the way they function, because they're not proper categories (like Albums), but merely titles in the {{hidden start}} template, thus, they don't appear in the TOC. Is there any way to make them proper sections, but also make them collapsible? I've done a good deal of searching and haven't found an answer.Marvose (talk) 18:00, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think I did what you wanted. Take a look. Gtstricky^{Talk or C} 18:49, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Gtstricky, thanks! I had actually tried a layout similar to that while experimenting to get my desired effect. I wasn't really happy with it because of all the extra whitespace. What I was really hoping for was for the show/hide button to appear next to the [edit] button for that section--like, making the category heading itself the title of the show/hide box. I don't know if I'm making any sense and I'm probably just being overly picky and it probably isn't possible anyway! ;). Again, thanks very much for your help and input. Marvose (talk) 18:56, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think I know what you mean. I tried a couple of other things. See what you think. Gtstricky^{Talk or C} 19:27, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's still not technically what I had in mind, but it's certainly better looking than anything I'd come up with. I'll play around with it a bit. Thanks again for the help! Marvose (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 22:28, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Letting someone know their page is being deleted

It was several months ago that a source I was using for the WDYT article mentioned Curly Howard (not the Stooge), and from what I discovered about him, he seemed notable enough to someday have a Wikipedia article, so I gave him a red link and also created a disambiguation page, since one of the Three Stooges is also Curly Howard. Amazingly, I saw another reference to Curly while adding to the WTQR article the day before the disambiguation page was to be deleted. I don't even know why I went to the disambiguation page. The notice was put on the article less than a week ago. How was I supposed to know about this?

I had no choice but to create the Curly Howard (DJ) article so there would be no red link on the disambiguation page.Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 18:09, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If the page is important to you, add it to your watch list (click watch at the top of the page) and then check your watch list once in a while (click my watchlist at the top of the page). -- kainaw ™ 18:19, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Where is my article?

About 1 month ago I began a new article, I was trying to find the article today, but can't seem to find it anywhere. I search the name of the article, I also, logged in checked "my contributions" and found nothing. How do I find it? Name of the article is Rose, Klein & Marias LLP. Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rkmlaw (talk • contribs) 18:46, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What was the name of the article? Algebraist 18:47, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) Do you remember the name of the article? There's a chance it could have been deleted. If you remember the name, we can check and let you know. Cheers! TN‑X-Man 18:49, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The article was in fact called Rose, Klein & Marias (and Rose, Klein & Marias, LLP for a while) and it was deleted by Lectonar under criterion for speedy deletion A7 as an article about a group/company/etc. that failed to indicate why its subject was important. Algebraist 19:02, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Why is any lawfirm "important?" I've compared the content from other firms with similar size and practice and their article hasn't been deleted. Do I have to recreate the article again? Can you add the article back and I'll edit? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rkmlaw (talk • contribs) 19:34, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A good resource for determining whether or not this law firm is notable or not can be found here. Also, an admin may agree to post the deleted content to your user page so that you can work on it there. I suggest contacting Lectonar, as he/she was the admin who deleted the article. Cheers! TN‑X-Man 19:37, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, and given your username, is it possible you have a conflict of interest..._Gb^T/c 20:17, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

See Wikipedia:Why was my page deleted? for the general guidelines on what to do, and how to get your article back so you can work on it further. --Teratornis (talk) 20:19, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Also be aware of Wikipedia:Alternative outlets for your article. Wikipedia does not want articles about every company, but Wikicompany does. You can put your article on Wikicompany while you grapple with figuring out whether your article can satisfy Wikipedia's notability requirements. You can search the Help desk archive for: wikicompany to read previous answers to other users facing situations similar to yours. --Teratornis (talk) 20:24, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"I've compared the content from other firms with similar size and practice and their article hasn't been deleted" is what we call the WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument, and is not considered a valid argument for retention or recreation of an article. --Orange Mike | Talk 23:32, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Forums as references- Exceptional cases?

I know that using forums as references is not encouraged here, but I feel strongly that the circumstances surrounding this person; Kenton Joel Carnegie warrant an exception. My reason is thus;

His mysterious death sparked a memorial site hosted by his parents. http://www.mtechservices.ca/Kenton/index.php/board,4.20.html

His parents offer valuable insight to the case itself which are not present in other news sites; eg. His death became the focus of a Nat Geo documentary, which his father criticises harshly on the forum. http://www.mtechservices.ca/Kenton/index.php/topic,152.0.html I find this to be very significant. Dark hyena (talk) 20:55, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This is a prime example of why we don't allow the use of forums as sources; a posting by a private party is unedited and self-published, and not a reliable source for a reference work. We in fact have no way of knowing whether those posts are actually made by the person alleged to have made them. --Orange Mike | Talk 23:38, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bronze Star Recipients of Korean War

My Grandfather is a Korean War Vet and a Bronze Star recipient for some battles he was in. I was wondering how to add his name in the list of Bronze Star recipients as well as his image and Bio. Please get back to me as this has been a project I have been working on for some time. We are trying to pay homage to my Grandfather and wish to put his accomplishments out there for the world to see. Thank you.

Respectfully,

Jason Stevens Jstevens82 (talk) 21:50, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is not a place for posting memorials; the only people on that list of Bronze Star recipients are people who are notable for some other reason, notable enough to have articles about them in this encyclopedia, and are also recipients. People like your grandfather and my father, who earned the Bronze or Silver Star, but are not otherwise notable, do not have articles about them here. --Orange Mike | Talk 23:42, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

To clarify a bit: there is no list of Bronze Star Medal recipients. As a ninth-level award, it has been presented to thousands of soldiers for a variety of reasons, some not very notable. There are 700 articles about people who were awarded the Bronze Star; those articles show in Category:Recipients of the Bronze Star medal. So: if your grandfather meets the Wikipedia:Notability requirements, then you can create an article and categorize it. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk - 15:36, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There may be other websites where your grandfather could become listed, for example http://www.amervets.com/bsmedl.htm. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:57, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Changing a username

Is it possible to change a username without creating a new account? If so, how? Lucas Brown 42 (talk) 23:55, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A bureaucrat can do it at Wikipedia:Changing username. Be sure to read all the directions carefully. Xenon 54 23:57, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

August 30

Non-Notable Site

How do you make an article notable, or how is it determined. I created an article about a site that I do not own, it was not an ad, nor biased but it was denied. It is a well known site in my area, and I was not even given the chance to discuss with a moderator. I posted a talk page and added the hang on tag, but it was deleted within minutes anyways. Also, I referneced the site directly, like there about us page for refernece, so it was verifiable. Just looking for some guidance or assistance.

BeigeLamp (talk) 16:05, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Website notability is hard to pin down. Which site was it? You may also want to read WP:WEB, that may give you an idea of what notability means in regards to websites. Also remember that Wikipedia isn't really for things well-known in your area, it's for things well-known all over the world, or at least are very notable. --Alinnisawest,^{Dalek Empress} (extermination requests here) 16:59, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

All Mixed Up

Here is a sentence from the article Devon Island. The numbers in this sentence are going in circles.

"The highest point is the Devon Ice Cap at 1,920 m (6,300 ft)6,299 ft/1,920 metres which is part of the Arctic Cordillera."

What should appear? metres followed by feet, or vice versa?

Thanks, Wanderer57 (talk) 00:41, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, generally you'd want to follow the same format in the rest of the article. In this case, it appears the the other measurements have metric first, then American measurements. So I'd say it should be just 1,920 m (6,300 ft). --Alinnisawest,^{Dalek Empress} (extermination requests here) 00:53, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed the duplicate height.[5] PrimeHunter (talk) 00:55, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Relisting AFDs

How do I relist AFDs? Schuym1 (talk) 01:10, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It depends on what you mean by relist and what has already happened to the AfD. Which AfD do you have in mind and what do you want to happen? PrimeHunter (talk) 01:21, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I mean relist AFD nominations so that concensus can be reached. I want to know how to do it so I can relist AFDs in the future Schuym1 (talk) 01:24, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If an AfD has been listed for a full five days and there is not enough discussion to form a consensus (e.g. only one person commented), then it will be relisted for another five days by an administrator. However, if you are talking about Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dinosaur Island (2002 film), that was closed as "no consensus" - that means there was a sufficient amount of discussion but no clear consensus to delete the article. Re-listing the same article after a recent AfD on that article has closed as "keep" is not a good idea. Xenon 54 01:35, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I wasn't talking about that. I was talking in general. I didn't know that only admins could do that. Thanks for the response. Schuym1 (talk) 01:37, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How to undo an archive?

How do I undo an archive? A talk page I have been involved in has been edited recently to include an auto-archive setup for MiszaBot, and the bot has come along and done it's archive thing. However, the article is about a TV channel which closed a couple of days ago and I believe the level of activity on this page doesn't really warrant an archive at all (only about 19000 bytes were moved to the single archive). Is there a simple way to reverse the effect of the archive (ie. put the archived discussions back in the main talk page and delete the archive sub-page)? Astronaut (talk) 01:26, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, yes. You can revert the page to the version before the bot was added (this version), manually add in the two subsequent edits by User:Hmr (these edits), and ask for the archive page to be deleted by tagging it with, for example, something like

{{db|CSD G6: archive created by bot, but was unecessary and the archiving has been reverted so the archive page is superfluous}}

. However, there is no hurry to do this. I think a better course of action is to first talk to the user who added the archive bot request to the page, Andrewcrawford, and discuss the matter with him. Many users would see such action to reverse something they had done, without at least a polite note first, as rude. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 02:12, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

User contribs

I have a few questions about using this;

Can you view how many edits a user has made by just looking at the contributions list instead of having to manually count? (I know this is available for your user account at Special:Preferences)
Can you check a user's milestone edits (e.g. their first, hundredth, millionth, etc.) without having to manually count?

♫Death gle an er 03:15, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, here's a link to several edit counters that are available. If you view the "user contributions" page for a user, there's also a block at the bottom of that page with links to some of the more useful/popular of these edit counters. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 03:25, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

regading my health

i do not know whether i am having pile problem or not. i got checked up with surgeon doctor but he is saying no. but sometime blood is going while passing stool. kindly advise . —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.243.0.130 (talk) 05:33, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Like it says at the top of the page: "...we cannot, under any circumstance, provide medical, legal, or any other sort of advice that is normally regulated by governmental authorities." The best advice is to go to your doctor. Doctors have had many years training at med school and therefore are people you can trust, rather than the non-expert opinion of us Wikipedia volunteers. Astronaut (talk) 09:47, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wanted to create new article and could not ...

Hi - I wanted to create an article about an American astronomer, Paul Herget, who was a pioneer in the use of computers in astronomy. There are several existing references to Herget on Wikipedia - I did a search on his name, followed one of the links to the page for the Minor Planet Center, then clicked on the red "Paul Herget" link. This took me to a "Paul Herget" page which read, in part:

"Wikipedia does not have an article with this exact name."

From there I followed the "Start the Paul Herget article" link, and landed on a page called "Unauthorized" which read

"This page is currently protected, and can be edited only by administrators."

Underneath that there is this not-very-helpful text

"The page title you have tried to create has been protected from creation. The reason given is: go away. You may also wish to check the deletion log."

As this page suggests I checked the linked "protection log" and found

05:01, 21 February 2008 East718 (Talk | contribs) protected Paul Herget ‎ (go away [create=sysop])

The deletion log contains

   * 05:01, 21 February 2008 East718 (Talk | contribs) deleted "Paul Herget" ‎ (csd g3)
   * 09:10, 15 February 2008 Fram (Talk | contribs) deleted "Paul Herget" ‎ (G3: Vandalism)

I guess I can piece together what happened, but am confused why a page about a fairly obscure scientist would be the subject of this kind of lockdown. Perhaps there is another Paul Herget? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lesonyrra (talk • contribs)

The deletion log has the answer - someone created a page with that title (twice). It was considered vandalism both times and deleted. To prevent further vandalism the page name was protected so that it could not be re-created. You can request unprotection at WP:RFUP and when unprotected and assuming your account is autoconfirmed, you can then create the article about the astronomer. Before you do create it, please read WP:BIO and WP:YFA. – ukexpat (talk) 14:55, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Both deleted versions were a crazy made-up biography starting "Paul David Herget (August 5, 1989 - August 5, 2036) was elected President of the United States of America in 2036." I guess the author is or knows somebody non-notable called Paul Herget. The page name was protected to avoid further recreation of this nonsense, and "go away" must have been aimed at the creator. I have unprotected it so you can create Paul Herget now. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:09, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Colons in links

Am I correct in thinking that using a colon in a link will prevent that link from showing up in the "What links here" list? e.g. [[:Foo]] Dismas|^(talk) 16:29, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It appears not. I just went to Special:Orphanedpages chose one at random, Abbasov, and threw it onto my talk page, first linked as [[Abbasov]], and then removed and linked as [[:Abbasov]. In both cases, checking Special:whatlinkshere/Abbasov returned positive results. So it appears that, with and without the comma, it makes no difference. Moreover, the link above to Abbasov I displayed using a colon; clicking on the preceding whatlinkshere link, now that I have removed the test from my talk page, I expect will show this page as a sole link, as further confirmation.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:41, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yep:--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:42, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, so what does it do then? Dismas|^(talk) 16:46, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It makes sure that a link is displayed instead of something else happening in certain cases. For example, [[:Image:Name]] creates a link to the named image instead of displaying the image, and [[:de:Name]] creates a link to the German (de) Wikipedia article in that place instead of adding an interlanguage link in the languages box. There is no difference between [[:Abbasov]] and [[Abbasov]] when Abbasov is an article. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:54, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

See more at Help:Link. Another example is category links. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:56, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The colon wikilink trick only works for media (don't display/play) and categories (don't place page in category). --—— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk - 18:01, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

- And interlanguage links. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:07, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And templates. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk - 01:52, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Another example of leading colon trickery (but inside curly braces) is to transclude a page in the main (article) namespace as a template, rather than looking for a template page in the template: namespace. See Help:Template#General. --Teratornis (talk) 20:51, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks all. None of these responses explains what I saw though. I went by some user's talk page today and saw that the previous section heading had something like ==[[:History of Iran]]== I think it had been added by a bot but I can't remember for certain. Having not seen the colon used like that, I asked here. Guess I should have bookmarked the page or something. Dismas|^(talk) 01:37, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If that's really what you saw, I don't think it does anything. Algebraist 01:47, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have seen it before, but it does not do anything. I suspect some editors may think it suppresses the backlink, but it does not. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk - 01:52, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have mainly seen bots do it. If you always want to make a normal link then it's easier to make a bot which always adds the colon whether or not it changes anything in a given situation. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:59, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

See Special:Contributions/CSDWarnBot for an example of a bot which always adds the colon to a reported page name, whether it's needed (as for images) or not. Many warning templates do the same. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:39, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! The explanation about bots adding a colon whether it be an image link or not clears up my confusion. It would just be easier to code for the bot owner. Thanks again, Dismas|^(talk) 02:50, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't have to have been a bot. Many templates contain automatic sections headers and those almost all use the colon because the subject may be a template or image or other thing which must not display. For example, most of the warning templates contain an option to place an automatic section header by using the parameter |header=1. For example, {{subst:uw-test|example}}. --Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 11:56, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

how can I delete the editing history from a Wikipedia page

how can I delete the editing history from a Wikipedia pages, as it contains senstive material or personal information already deleted from final article. Akpantue (talk) 19:10, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You can't, but admins can. If it's really sensitive, you should probably make a request for oversight, which will leave the information invisible even to admins. Algebraist 19:12, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Downloadable/Static Help Section?

I've already been answered about the sandbox, and have it set up (see EXE Sandbox above), but I also want all of the help pages so that I can actually read to learn about the stuff, and have a reference...

My main problem however is that I have WOS installed (looking back WAMP seems a little easier, but heh...), and I'm not sure how to go about getting the help pages in there (I don't want the rest, just help... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pyrofyr (talk • contribs) 19:25, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

See the links under WP:EIW#Download, WP:EIW#Export, WP:EIW#Mobile, WP:EIW#Research, WP:EIW#Mirror, and WP:EIW#Query. The odds may be low that anyone who is answering questions on the Help desk just now has actually done what you are trying to, and would have the necessary experience to tell you an efficient way to copy all the Help pages from Wikipedia. What you mean by "all the help pages" is not clear. Wikipedia has (at least) two large sets of help pages:

The MediaWiki Handbook, which focuses on what is common to all or most wikis that run on the MediaWiki software.
The Wikipedia: (Project:) namespace, which contains many pages that document things specific to Wikipedia.

What you want depends on what you are trying to do. If you are trying to set up your own wiki, you would focus first on the MediaWiki Handbook. If you are trying to learn how to edit specifically on Wikipedia, then you need all the Project: stuff too. The MediaWiki Handbook itself says you can import the Handbook into your own wiki, but it only links to generic instructions in mw:Help:Import. mw:Data dumps describes the dump files you can download. You might find it easier just to buy a book, such as Wikipedia - The Missing Manual. --Teratornis (talk) 21:11, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And note: this Help desk is for questions about using Wikipedia. The appropriate place to ask questions about running the MediaWiki software on your own computer or server is mw:Project:Support desk. See the links under WP:EIW#SingleSignon to get your account to work over there. --Teratornis (talk) 21:32, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hoping this is still seen despite being a bit up here now. In any case, I am looking for generic wiki information/help. It's mostly for syntax and the more advanced stuff, so that I can learn at my own pace. 65.11.205.172 (talk) 21:55, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How do I do signatures?

I tried making one using Wikified HTML, but the link just came up as the whole lot as a link, with (talk) afterwards – as you will probably see when I tilde this. Basically, I would like small caps and a HTML Unicode entity (does this work for U+10000 and beyond?). [[User:Nonmuscascapto|&66030;]] [[User_talk:Nonmuscascapto|<small>NMC</small>]] (talk) 22:14, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Check the 'raw signature' box in your preferences. Algebraist 22:19, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Do you want to save this file, or find a program online to open it?

Resolved

When I try to open the Subaru Legacy wiki entry (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subaru_Legacy) in IE7, I get a pop-up window titled "File Download - Security Warning", with the message "Do you want to save this file, or find a program online to open it?". The options or Find, Save, or Cancel. There is a help desk entry for "EFSA" which describes a similar problem, but with no resolution. Any advice would be appreciated. 68.116.199.190 (talk) 22:39, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a file name? Does it only happen on that page? The mentioned help desk entry is Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2008 July 17#EFSA. I have never had this problem with IE7 at Wikipedia. Try restarting your computer and clicking http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subaru_Legacy or Subaru Legacy. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:21, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I believe the file-name was "en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subaru_Legacy" or similar, I can't tell for sure because I can no longer reproduce the problem after the following procedure:

1. Created Wikipedia account and logged in

2. Opened Subaru Legacy page (no pop-up window appeared)

3. Logged out

4. Opened Subary Legacy page (no pop-up window appeared)

It's possible that something on the Subaru Legacy page changed in the interim that solved the underlying problem, but I can no longer reproduce the reported behavior. Rebooting and returning to the page (via search or entering URL) had no effect when the problem persisted.

I found two additional references documenting the same problem, one of which was on de.wikipedia.org. Neither reference included a working solution.

IE7 version is 7.0.5730.1100 and OS is Windows XP Professional SP3. 68.116.199.190 (talk) 23:28, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I meant whether there was a file name for the file the pop-up window asked you about, but never mind now. I suspect this is an occasional browser problem and not Wikipedia's fault. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:41, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

August 31

Correct placement/categorization of an RFC?

Hello there,

Typically RFCs are responded to quicker, I am wondering if my placement or categorization of this issue is correct? Do I need to change something?Yeago (talk) 01:35, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well I requested the page protection, and that is in place to stop from the constant reverting. In addition to the RFC you may want to contact relevant wikiprojects to get their members to comment. In addition to WikiProject Mammals and WikiiProject Cats, you may also want to contact Wikipedia:WikiProject Internet culture. -Optigan13 (talk) 20:16, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Didn't notice you've been blocked. I've contacted the three projects I mentioned above to get some outside input. -Optigan13 (talk) 20:31, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Where do I go from here?

I'm trying to move Where Do We Go From Here? (movie) to Where Do We Go from Here? (film) to bring the title in line with current guidelines, but it says the target page is protected. What's up? Clarityfiend (talk) 05:15, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure why the page is protected from being created. It may be that at one time someone repeatedly created an article by that name that was vandalism or inappropriate in some way. Pages can be protected from recreation to prevent persistent vandalism. You can request the move at Wikipedia:Requested moves, where an administrator can carry it out.--Beloved Freak 11:06, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I couldn't see a problem with my admin account and moved it. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:33, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think I capitalized "From" when I tried. It's correct the way it is now, so thanks. Clarityfiend (talk) 17:59, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How to Contact Gerry Marr!

Hi,yesterday I wrote an artical named "How to Contact Gerry Marr!. Before I wrote this I had to register to which I did, the automatic spam filter informed me I had to confirm my email to which I did. Can you please tell me where my article went to? Can the article be retreived? Can it be shown on the site?

Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gerryfmarr (talk • contribs) 07:53, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What was the article about? If, as it seems, it was about you, or how to contact you, then basically it was deleted because that is not what Wikipedia is for. It's an encyclopaedia, not a business directory or an advertising service. If it was an article about you, please note that you are very strongly discouraged from creating articles about yourself or things that you have a personal connection to. (See Wikipedia:Autobiography) This is considered a conflict of interest, and if you are notable enough to be the subject of an article here, you should wait for someone else to create it.--Beloved Freak 11:13, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your account has not many any edit before posting here. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:21, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Article traffic

Does anybody know if there's a way to find out how much traffic an article gets? I used to go to http://stats.grok.se/ but they haven't updated since June. Apparently there exists a function that can count article traffic, but it's just not active because...ehm, well, because suppressing the free flow of information is the fundamental principle upon which Wikipedia is built...? Lampman (talk) 09:45, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's disabled to avoid blowing up the servers, as explained at WP:FAQ/Technical#Can I add a page hit counter to a Wikipedia page?. Algebraist 09:52, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, last time I checked the rationale was that it was disabled to prevent vandalism to the least visited articles. Anyway, that wasn't really my question: now that grok isn't updating, is there any place - external or internal - to find article traffic count? Lampman (talk) 10:41, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Google has a way to track traffic to any page, I believe it's called Google Analytics RayvnEQ (talk) 12:23, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Reporting abuse

I've noticed that User:Khuttger has vandalised two articles. What do we do when this happens? Rogwan (talk) 10:23, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I've put on a vandalism template on his/her user Talk page and think I've done it right... Rogwan (talk) 10:23, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If he continues to vandalise following a level 4 warning, you can report him to Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism.--Beloved Freak 10:57, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How would I see this? I noticed that he vandalised one of the pages I watch and went to his Talk page and saw he'd done it to another one. Is it just for other people to notice and report? Rogwan (talk) 11:11, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to keep an eye on him you can check Special:Contributions/Khuttger, and if he vandalises again, add a level 4 warning. If he vandalises after that, report him. It may be that it is an account created merely to vandalise Wikipedia. When people realise they can edit pages, I guess it provides some short term entertainment for some people to vandalise them. There are many constructive editors that started out like that though, so he should be given a few chances to contribute properly. If you're not interested in keeping an eye on him, don;t worry - there's no burden on you to make sure he doesn't do it again. There are many, many vandals around, and there are many editors who dedicate their time to combating them, who patrol RecentChanges. If he continues to vandalise, he'll get blocked eventually.--Beloved Freak 11:20, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Database syntax error

Hi am I the only one experiencing this at present? Its taking my four or five times to save a page. Everytime I go to save an edit and my work it comes up with a database sytax error. Could somebody explain to me why this is and how long it is likely to last The Bald One ^{White cat} 10:19, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, this is happening to me too. Have no idea why. Beloved Freak 10:54, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm being affected by it as well. The code is:#

A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was: (SQL query hidden) from within function "ExternalStoreDB::store". MySQL returned error "1030: Got error 136 from storage engine (10.0.2.107)".

--Diniz (talk) 10:55, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes thats it exactly. I tried to save this page and the Schwatz article page at least twenty times and no luck. It must be wikipedia server trouble. We often get problems with database lag too. Perhaps its time they upgraded the hardware The Bald One ^{White cat} 11:05, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Others are reporting this at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Database error where some tech people hang out (but not necessarily on a Sunday). PrimeHunter (talk) 11:09, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Account creation

In my watchlist, it says

(User creation log) . . "User1" (Talk | contribs) created new account "User2"

(I've replaced the actual names). "User1" is an account with about 5 edits, and not an admin. I thought only admins could create new accounts for other people. What exactly has happened here? --Beloved Freak 11:48, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

User1 was logged in when they created User2. There are several reasons why they could do this - they could be unaware that they already created an account, they could be creating an account for a friend, or they could be creating a sockpuppet. Xenon 54 11:54, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Non-admins can also create accounts for others, but are limited to 6 per day if they don't have the accountcreator flag. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:55, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, thanks. Yeah, I thought that was the case PrimeHunter, but couldn't find the relevant page.--Beloved Freak 12:18, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WTF?

Can anybody tell me what the hell this is and how it can be fixed please??? biool (talk) 13:24, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What is wrong with it? --—— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk - 13:38, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The whole page was black, the navigation at the side and the the edit button at the top etc were missing. There was a big picture of a cross in the middle of the page and some creepy message. Someone's fixed it though. biool (talk) 13:51, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Actually one of the templates used on that page was vandalised and so the vandalism transluded onto the article. Like you said, someone has already reverted the vandalism. AngelOfSadness talk 14:04, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds like the Zodiac struck again. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk - 14:23, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, on {{Infobox animanga/Header}}. The used IP has been blocked. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:50, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Heading structure broken

The heading structure on every page appears to be broken. There is an H1 (the page title) immediately followed by an H3 ("From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia"); and the page ends with a bunch of H5s ("Views", "Personal tools", "Navigation", "Search", "Interaction", "Toolbox") with no parent other than H1 (and the last headings in the article, which are not meant to apply to it). I realise that this is not the place to ask for help resolving the matter; my question is - where should I do that? Andy Mabbett | Talk to Andy Mabbett 14:49, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It looks fine to me. Are you referring to the html of the rendered page? If it renders incorrectly for you then try clearing your entire cache. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:54, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. Since it apparently looks fine for you, please can you tell me what H2 you see, between the first H1 ("Wikipedia:Help desk)" and the first H3 ("From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia"); assuming you can confirm that you see those as H1 and H3 respectively? Andy Mabbett | Talk to Andy Mabbett 15:04, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There's no header between that h1 and that h3. Why should there be? Algebraist 16:41, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I mean the rendered page looks fine to me with appropriately sized text. I don't care whether the html source says H2 or H3. The important headlines seem to me to be those in the article text. Note that placement, look and other details of things like Navigation, Search, Interaction, Toolbox depends on the used skin, and most readers will see them in a separate column to the left. I don't know the proper place to discuss them. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:25, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

←Headings should follow a strict hierarchy H1 > H2 > H3 and so on. WCAG says:

3.5 Use header elements to convey document structure and use them according to specification. [Priority 2]
For example, in HTML, use H2 to indicate a subsection of H1. Do not use headers for font effects. ([6])

and:

Since some users skim through a document by navigating its headings, it is important to use them appropriately to convey document structure. Users should order heading elements properly. For example, in HTML, H2 elements should follow H1 elements, H3 elements should follow H2 elements, etc. Content developers should not "skip" levels (e.g., H1 directly to H3). Do not use headings to create font effects; use style sheets to change font styles for example. ([7])

On further reflection, "From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" isn't even a heading, and should probably be parked up as a paragraph. Andy Mabbett | Talk to Andy Mabbett 16:48, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hm... I think compliance with web-design principles such as this one should be discussed over at the Technical Village Pump. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 22:30, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Anti-vandal tools comparison?

Hello there. I have recently been trying out various semi-automatic Wikipedia tools designed to fight vandalism, but was wondering whether there is any Wikipedia page which offers a definitive review of all anti-vandalism tools (WP:TW, WP:HG, WP:VandalProof etc.), or a comparison of them, or a list of their strengths and weaknesses or something similar? If you know of such a page, or, alternatively, if you are willing to give me a review and / or comparison of Wikipedia's anti-vandalism tools here, please do so!

Thanks in advance.

It Is Me Here (talk) 15:46, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know of a page that directly compares the three tools you mentioned. As someone who has used all three at one point or another, I found it the most useful just to try them out and see which one I find easiest to use. In my opinion, Huggle is the best for rapid recent changes patrolling, while Twinkle is best for new page patrolling and article deletion tagging. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 18:02, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If there is such a page, it should either already have an entry in the Editor's index, or someone should add an entry for it. See WP:EIW#Vandal, and the subentry: WP:EIW#VandalTools. When you want to research some aspect of Wikipedia's technology, start with the Editor's index. --Teratornis (talk) 18:41, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

edit bots

i wonder, how can i make a bot that can work for me? for example, ral has his ralbot, there's the cluebot, can i make a btzbot? Btzkillerv (talk) 16:12, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please check out Wikipedia:Bot policy. As you can see there are bot requirements and a bot approval process. As to how you can actually go about the process of making a bot, please see Wikipedia:Creating a bot.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:27, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

More information: WP:EIW#Bot. You need to know (or learn) a programming language, although you don't have to write an entire bot from scratch, because other users have written bot frameworks you can use. --Teratornis (talk) 18:38, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image moved to commons

What should happen if an image i created is uploaded on commons by another user (not related) wih author still acknowledged? Will the one originally on Wikipedia be deleted? Also on Commons would i have to edit the image to show that i was the original creator? Simply south (talk) 16:26, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As long as the Commons upload correctly identifies you as the creator in its description, and satisfies the requirements for hosting on Commons, then yes, the local version will be deleted. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 23:58, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Can't read text on Wikipedia

i cannot read any of the text on wikipedia. it shows up as an illegible series numbers and lines, that looks sort of like chinese. i can only read some of the headlines. i never had this problem before i downloaded the new firefox update, which my computer recommended. help! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.83.64.231 (talk) 18:34, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm using the latest version of Firefox right now, and I've never seen any problem like what you describe. Are you using Firefox 3.0.1? Also, is your character encoding set to UTF-8? If it's not, try setting it to that. If that doesn't work, try restarting Firefox in Safe Mode, which will use the default settings and temporarily disable all extensions; if the problem is caused by an addon or by your settings, it will show up fine in safe mode. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 18:56, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There was a report of this problem a few days ago, so I did a Google search at that time where I found other reports of this type of problem (also appears to impact some pages of Slashdot and Craigslist - among others). I found this suggested solution: "disable the Helvetica Fractions font in Font Book". Please post back and let us know if this works, assuming you can read this text that's suggesting how to resolve the problem. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 22:33, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Featured picture has a wrong link to its candidate page

Image:Tartan Ribbon.jpg I corrected (added, really) the first one by piping Tartan Ribbon.jpg into the FeaturedPicture template, linking the word identified to Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Tartan Ribbon.jpg, but below it is another template which says "This is a featured picture on English Wikipedia and is considered one of the finest images." Considered is linked to Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Image:Tartan Ribbon.jpg which is wrong, but I can't find the template on the page. Balsa10 (talk) 19:20, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The template is in commons: Tartan Ribbon.jpg But I don't know what would be the proper course of action to fix it... fetofs ^Hello! 19:25, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There was an "ennom" parameter to the commons template, hope it's fixed now. fetofs ^Hello! 19:42, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Aha! Thank you! I found the ennom once you pointed me to Commons and was going to change it myself, but a Unified Login problem presented itself.

The accounts named "Balsa10" on each of the following sites have been automatically attached to the unified account: commons.wikimedia.org en.wikipedia.org

But when I go to commons, it says "Log in / create account". Eh? Balsa10 (talk) 19:49, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

So you've got an account on commons, but you're not logged into it right now. Just go to commons and log in.

.ogg's?

I was thinking of making recordings of the names of Portuguese towns, add them to the respective articles. Would .ogg be the most adequate format for the sound files? If so, any suggestions on which program should I use for the recordings? Thanks. Húsönd 23:20, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

.ogg is preferred, yes. Not sure what program to use for the recordings though :/ Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 23:24, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'll direct you to this. Don't know how useful it is, though, as I've never tried recording an ogg file. I c eUnshattered ^{[ t ]} 23:40, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think ogg is the only format you can upload, or embed. I may be proven wrong, though. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 23:48, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

We can also handle .OGV (Ogg Vorbis) files. See Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2008-08-11/Technology report --—— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk - 02:57, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I hear Audacity works in creating ogg's, but I've never used them. bibliomaniac 1 5 05:30, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The "N" word used in description of Kwanzaa

I just (Sunday, August 31st 2008, 6:50 pm CST) looked up the Wikipedia definition for Kwanzaa and noticed the "N" word used to describe it. Could you please have someone delete it from the intial title section ASAP. Thank-you, sincerely Melvin T. Hargrett (<email redacted>) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.141.119.91 (talk) 23:55, 31 August 2008 (UTC) It's probably WP:VAND. I'll check that it's been rv'ed. The smart way would be to revert the edit and warn the vandal (if you can identify him) with the methods described here. I c eUnshattered ^{[ t ]} 00:04, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Later- I think this is what you were referring to. As you can see, the vandalism was reverted. Thanks for your concern, but vandalism does not need to be reported here. Repeat vandals should be reported at WP:AIV. I c eUnshattered ^{[ t ]} 00:06, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It was indeed vandalism, and it has been reverted by User:Oxymoron83. Thank you for bringing it to our attention. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 00:06, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Forgot my email/password

Hi! I'm trying to unify my logins across wikipedia but when I input "lanika" and ask Wikipedia to send a new password nothing comes to my email account and I can't remember if I used a different email account to register at Wikipedia, it was some years ago... I created a second account, username "Lanika Moon", but would like to recover the user Lanika so I can have one login across pt.wikipedia, en.wikipedia, wikimedia etc. Is it possible? Can I at least know the email where the password is being sent? Lanika/Lanika Moon —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.42.197.209 (talk) 00:07, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

So you don't remember all your email accounts and still have access? I guess not. Have you checked your spam/bulk folder? Many users who think they aren't getting Wikipedia email are, but it gets filtered as spam. There is no way to provide you the password other than for you to retrieve it on your end through email. In any event, you could try usurping your old account name. You meet some of the prerequisites: the old account has no edits nor are there any significant logs associated with it. However, usurpation is normally only granted for reasonably well-established users. You have 4 edits total so you will probably need to stick around for a while under this name and make some decent contributions before you'd be eligible.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 05:17, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

September 1

Unsigned signed edits

Many of my posts on Talk pages keep showing up with things like "--TCav 23:37, 30 August 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by TCav (talk • contribs)" at the end. I sign my posts, yet your robot seems to pop up and add the 'unsigned' part.

What can I do to prevent this from happening? I'm using the four tildes. What am I not doing? --TCav 01:36, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

The signature should link to your user page User:TCav and/or talk page User talk:TCav. One way to do that is to uncheck "Raw signature" at Special:Preferences and leave the signature field blank. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:53, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Text overlaps picture box

I dont know how to fix this problem. I have a resolution of 1680pixels width and when its full screen the paragraph that starts "On September 22..." some of its text overlaps the picture box. I tried to use the br syntax but it doesnt solve the problem.

Link [[8]] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collapse_of_the_World_Trade_Center#Site_cleanup

Thank you ----Diensthuber (talk) 02:25, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Check now. It overlapped for me, too, at 1440 width. I added the {{clear}} before the section, and now it looks fine on my monitor. — Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 02:52, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(силе) Helping the (рдин) encyclopedia wikipedia edit?

I am new to your encyclopedia wikipedia потому что for the editing for сиздерден ? (new article helping)

Я хочу учить английский.

I wish to edit article please? --Danskovskiv (talk) 10:38, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I can only read the English parts of your post. See meta:List of Wikipedias if you want to find a Wikipedia in another language. If you want to edit here in English then write all of it in English and see for example Wikipedia:Tutorial and Wikipedia:Your first article. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:17, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I can edit article --Danskovskiv (talk) 12:36, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you are asking for permission to edit articles then it's not required. Go ahead and be bold, but try to satisfy rules like those at Wikipedia:Simplified ruleset. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:59, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

what is god

hjlkhj otkhjokh tohtjh —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.94.130.189 (talk) 12:59, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There are a lot of different opinions about God. Have you tried the Humanities section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:03, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

God is an imaginary being many people believe is real which is used to provide a non-explanation, explanation for the mysteries of life, and to provide comfort against and inject meaning into, death and other perceived "unfairnesses" of a capricious and indifferent universe.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 14:41, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Now that is WP:POV if I ever heard it!! Some people do believe the above (they're atheists), whereas some people believe in God as the creator/supreme being of the universe (the theists, imaginably enough!). --Alinnisawest,^{Dalek Empress} (extermination requests here) 14:55, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Can we not have this discussion on the helpdesk? Algebraist 15:01, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

my 1st posting for encyclopedia wikipedia (европейско)

Cacky Bird Legs бсудить for my first posting, review? --Danskovskiv (talk) 14:37, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Roadents

I'm not sure if my article, The Roadents, meets the speedy deletion criteria. Schuym1 (talk) 15:23, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Creating a New Userpage

I have changed my user name from Rich Guy to Genius101 Wizard. Am I allowed to create the User:Rich Guy userpage, and have it as a redirect to my page? Thanks, Genius101 Wizard (talk) 15:27, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Pagenames in templates

I tried to edit Template:Infobox UK Legislation (attempt 1 attempt 2) to link automatically to TheyWorkForYou's search page (e.g. Statute Law (Repeals) Act 2008. First I tried using {{PAGENAME}}, which only linked to the first word, like this. Then I tried using {{PAGENAMEE}}, which linked to the whole thing with underscores, like this, which their search engine doesn't understand. I'm out of ideas - I can't see anything else on Help:Magic Words that would work, and I can't think of anything else. Does anyone have any ideas? --HughCharlesParker (talk - contribs) 15:30, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How dare you send this to me

How dare you place such a slur against my name and reputation.

I have forwarded your message to the approbate body who in turn replied it was no surprise from someone such as you.

Don't bother contacting me as I would never return to such a site under any circumstances. It is both amatuer and so unprofessional and most information on the site is inaccurate anyway.

This is the message you sent

User talk:Efexor1 From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search

Welcome to Wikipedia. We invite everyone to contribute constructively to our encyclopedia. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing. However, unconstructive edits, such as those you made to Mudcat Cafe, are considered vandalism and are immediately reverted. If you continue in this manner you may be blocked from editing without further warning. Please stop. Consider improving rather than damaging the work of others. ... discospinster talk 14:14, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

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