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134B Nethergate, Dundee
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Candidate entries

Articles created/expanded on December 1

Bovista plumbea

Template:DYKsuggestion

Andrew McKelvey

Template:DYKsuggestion at 14:05, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

List of Presidents of India

Template:DYKsuggestion at 12:42, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Battle of Metz

Template:DYKsuggestion at 12:23, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

.44 Webley

Scorpion Pass Massacre

Template:DYKsuggestion at 05:26, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Bǎ construction

Template:DYKsuggestion at 01:11, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Serenity High School

Template:DYKsuggestion at 01:16, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Chinese exclamative particles

Template:DYKsuggestion at 05:53, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

  • Sorry, but the refs you added are not inline citations, so they can't be accepted for DYK. Also, I don't know if Dict.cn, iciba, and similar dictionary websites (like n词酷.com) qualify a reliable sources. But anyway, something like the etymology of 嘿, even though it's something that every Chinese speaker knows, for the purposes of DYK still needs to be cited with an inline footnote to a reliable source. —Politizer talk/contribs 06:01, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Odontoglossum crispum

Odontoglossum crispum
Odontoglossum crispum

Articles created/expanded on November 30

Lisa the Vegetarian

Template:DYKsuggestion at 22:30, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Medical simulation

Template:DYKsuggestion at 10:41, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Panamanian Night Monkey

Template:DYKsuggestion at 02:48, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

  • Took out "nocturnal"; everything else is verified easily. The "nocturnal" thing led me on a bit of a wild goose chase; ref 7 said that the Aotus monkey was one of the only "New World monkeys" that was nocturnal but not one of the only monkeys in general, and it pointed that "all owl monkeys are at least somewhat nocturnal." Anyway, you're probably right about the nocturnal thing, but it's harder to verify, and besides we might as well bring more attention to the monogamous thing, since that will get more hits (it's got sexxx appeal, yo). —Politizer talk/contribs 04:11, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Richard Fortman

Template:DYKsuggestion Alansohn (talk) 00:30, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Should it be "by memorizing the board" rather than "while memorizing the board"? Presumably that was how he managed to play with the other operators, rather than being a separate activity. Yomanganitalk 13:44, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Spence Broughton

Template:DYKsuggestion at 22:30, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Tadeusz Pyka

Template:DYKsuggestion at 21:23, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Richard Haddock

Template:DYKsuggestion

Westbury Court Garden

Template:DYKsuggestion at 19:11, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

List of towns and cities in Devon by population

View of Plymouth Hoe
View of Plymouth Hoe

... that the city of Plymouth (pictured) is the largest settlement in Devon, England, with a population of 240,720 in the 2001 census? Created by myself, Jolly Janner (talk) 17:42, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cyril Pullin

Template:DYKsuggestion

Anne-Lise Seip and Jens Arup Seip

Template:DYKsuggestion 18:46, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Midnight Madness (basketball)

Template:DYKsuggestion--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 16:44, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Clewer Mill Stream

Template:DYKsuggestion at 16:04, 30 November 2008 (UTC)



Loyal B. Stearns

Template:DYKsuggestion

Steamboats of the upper Columbia and Kootenay Rivers

Template:DYKsuggestion

University of Plano

Template:DYKsuggestion Alansohn (talk) 05:03, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Erie Land Light

Template:DYKsuggestion at 00:47, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

    • ALT: ... that the tower of Erie Land Light (pictured) had to be replaced twice because it kept sinking into the ground?

Overchoice

Template:DYKsuggestion at 19:33, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

2001 Jos riots

Template:DYKsuggestion – RyanCross (talk) 22:00, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Go Down Death

Fountain of Qayt Bay

Template:DYKsuggestion – RyanCross (talk) 02:44, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Verified! Ecoleetage (talk) 03:55, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Women For Sobriety

Template:DYKsuggestion – RyanCross (talk) 03:38, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • History and stuff is good, but I find the hook awkward. How about:
I like that Alt hook -- you go, girls! Verified! Ecoleetage (talk) 03:44, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yellagonga Regional Park

Template:DYKsuggestion – RyanCross (talk) 05:04, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Imero Fiorentino

Template:DYKsuggestion – RyanCross (talk) 05:18, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Richard Menefee

Template:DYKsuggestion at 13:01, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 29

Irish immigration to Puerto Rico

Robert Howlett

Teopanzolco

I've tidied it up a bit, hopefully it's a bit more readable now.
Alt hook, possibly less bland:
...that the pre-Columbian ruins of Teopanzolco, in Mexico , are said to have been rediscovered during the Mexican Revolution when an artillery emplacement shook loose some dirt from the stonework? Simon Burchell (talk) 14:26, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The cleanup looks good, and the second hook is verified (with offline ref accepted in good faith). I think the second hook is better (although the first is shorter, but oh well). —Politizer talk/contribs 15:54, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Irving P. Krick

Template:DYKsuggestion - Sorry, cannot bypass the 5x expansion hardcoded into template. Anyway, all the edits are within a little over 24 hours. NVO (talk) 20:32, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Romantic Pieces (Dvořák)

Edward Vaux, 4th Baron Vaux of Harrowden

Template:DYKsuggestion - PKM (talk) 19:15, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]


List of Cleveland Cavaliers head coaches

My word processor counted 1517 characters in the prose part of the article, so I guess it qualifies on length. Date also is OK. It looks to me like the two named "nominators" both would deserve to be credited as "creators." I did not check the source(s) for the hook fact. --Orlady (talk) 06:03, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Illana Katz

Template:DYKsuggestion at 01:13, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

French weapons in the American Civil War

Template:DYKsuggestion at 22:26, 29 November 2008 (CET)

  • My first reaction to this hook was confusion ("if they were manufactured in the U.S., then weren't they American and not French?"). I assume what this is supposed to be expressing is that the designs were French and the North and South copied them, but it would be nice to have an ALT hook that expresses that more clearly. —Politizer talk/contribs 03:51, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

National Waterways Museum, Ellesmere Port

Edward William Pritchard

Template:DYKsuggestion at 20:57, 29 November 2008 (CET)

Good point:) I like it:) Malick78 (talk) 08:24, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bob Blake (ice hockey)

Template:DYKsuggestion at 19:58, 29 November 2008 (UTC)


Wahsatch, Utah

Template:DYKsuggestion at 17:37, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

I was about to nominate this for DYK when I found this here :-) As far as I can see, this is a fine article with no problems. Nyttend (talk) 05:25, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

HMS Agamemnon (1781)

Template:DYKsuggestion at 17:03, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

I like it - it's a bit less clunky sounding. Martocticvs (talk) 19:53, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Meshterski

Template:DYKsuggestion Todor→Bozhinov 14:38, 29 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Asthall Manor

Template:DYKsuggestion – Nancy talk 12:57, 29 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

midnight regulations

Template:DYKsuggestion at 07:28, 29 November 2008 (UTC)


John F. Kelly

Template:DYKsuggestion at 04:30, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Alternate 1: ... that John F. Kelly's 2003 promotion to brigadier general while in Iraq was the first promotion of a U.S. Marine Corps colonel in an active combat zone since Chesty Puller promotion in 1951 during the Korean War?
Alternate 2: ... that John F. Kelly's 2003 promotion to brigadier general while in Iraq was the first promotion of a U.S. Marine Corps colonel in an active combat zone since Chesty Puller's 1951 Korean War promotion?
— ERcheck (talk) 00:36, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Karen Vogtmann

Template:DYKsuggestion Nsk92 (talk) 02:05, 29 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The first hook is more straightforward, while the second is probably more interesting and maybe slightly WP:ORish. Not sure which is better.... Nsk92 (talk) 14:15, 29 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Quantum pseudo-telepathy

Template:DYKsuggestion

James Argyle Smith

Template:DYKsuggestion

or alternate hook

Template:DYKsuggestion

I prefer the alt hook myself.--Gen. Bedford his Forest 01:10, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Date and length of the article verified, off-line hook (the second one) verified via googlebooks preview. A suggestion to the nominator: you might want to include a link[1] to the googlebooks preview of page 200 of Welsh's book in reference no 4 in the article, which is verifies the fact cited in the hook. Nsk92 (talk) 01:32, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of Marcelae (756)

Template:DYKsuggestion – RyanCross (talk) 19:41, 29 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Verified. Ecoleetage (talk) 00:47, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Camp of Great Poland

Template:DYKsuggestion at 19:46, 29 November 2008 (UTC)


MGP Nordic 2008

Template:DYKsuggestion at 11:05, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 28

The Bronze Horseman (poem)

Template:DYKsuggestion -Oreo Priest talk 19:11, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

MV Biscaglia

Template:DYKsuggestion--brewcrewer (yada, yada) 17:38, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Kasim Reed

Template:DYKsuggestion--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 16:51, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Forage fish

Template:DYKsuggestion at 05:41, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

  • The sources for the hook fact are not particularly reliable (e.g., spacedaily.com). Also, more significantly, some chunks of the article seem to have been copypasted from cited sources, including spacedaily.com and treehugger.com. That's a serious issue, with or without DYK. --Orlady (talk) 05:36, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Saxon Brother War

Template:DYKsuggestion at 18:21, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Stephen Gardner Champlin

Template:DYKsuggestion AdjustShift (talk) 07:35, 29 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Charles Read (RAAF officer)

Wessagusset Colony

Template:DYKsuggestion at 05:41, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

William Vaux, 3rd Baron Vaux of Harrowden

Template:DYKsuggestion

, DYK articles are not allowed to be listed as Stub Articles Duke R. Oliver I His Duchy 21:25, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oops, that was a bad copy-and-paste on my part of the WP:BIO template from another article. Stub classification removed. : And I forgot to put (pictured) in the hook, which makes it too long, so...
:-) - PKM (talk) 03:46, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Apodemius

Template:DYKsuggestion at 20:04, 28 November 2008 (UTC)


Fremont Canning Company and Frank Daniel Gerber and Daniel Frank Gerber and Gerber Baby

Should it be "store-bought"? I don't know if my suggestion is in accordance with WMOS, but it made the sentence run smoother to me. Killiondude (talk) 19:51, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Fairuse pic Image:Gerberbaby.jpg is not free for use on DYK. Removed. --74.13.130.151 (talk) 19:54, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Doug - this hook needs a copy edit. I don't understand it... even by using "store-bought" Victuallers (talk) 20:28, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
What about the following? Hassocks5489 (tickets please!)
The ALT is much better. Thanks for suggestion. Four new articles self nominated by --Doug Coldwell talk 21:08, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Since the article baby food (which I linked in the above hook) indicates that commercial baby foods were produced in the Netherlands in 1901, I think it would be prudent to say that Gerber "pioneered the commercial baby food industry in the U.S." --Orlady (talk) 00:00, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, that would be better. Added that to the hook. --Doug Coldwell talk 12:31, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Robert J. Morris

Template:DYKsuggestion

Hurricane Holly (1969)

Template:DYKsuggestion I made this article in January and now I have de merged it and it had more that 13x of the bytes of the original article.--Irmela08 16:25, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Under 19 Bayernliga

Edward Milner

.476 Enfield

What does "interchange" mean? --74.14.18.55 (talk) 23:14, 29 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
All four can be fired in any weapon chambered (designed) to use any of the others; their dimensions are the same. TREKphiler hit me ♠ 08:52, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Length, date good. Offline ref accepted in good faith. It'd be good if there was a descriptive link to that interchange but I couldn't find an article about this. Chamal talk 14:18, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Let's Make The Water Turn Black

Template:DYKsuggestion at 08:13, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

America's Incredible Pizza Company

Alister Murdoch

DGF Flensborg

Bihari culture

Template:DYKsuggestion – RyanCross (talk) 18:30, 29 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It all checks out. Ecoleetage (talk) 00:50, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

List of combined European club champions

Template:DYKsuggestion – RyanCross (talk) 19:07, 29 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Verified. Ecoleetage (talk) 00:54, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on November 27

HMS Edgar (1779)

OR

Self-nom, 5x+ expansion today. Martocticvs (talk) 00:00, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I removed that part from the second version, in case it is preferred over the first. Martocticvs (talk) 19:55, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Expansion good and offline ref for ALT1 accepted in good faith. ALT2 has an online ref but I didn't bother looking at it because everyone seems to prefer ALT1. Everything is ready to go here...for the record, Harv refs mixed with php refs like this infuriate me, but consensus seems to be to accept them...so while I wish they weren't formatted like this, I won't hold it against the nom. —Politizer talk/contribs 03:36, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thomas West (clergyman)

Template:DYKsuggestion

Everything checks out OK, except:
(1) the article does not say he wrote the book in 1778; it was published in 1778. (I edited the hook accordingly)
(2) the hook fact seems to me to be rather unremarkable. I suggest this spicier variation (the Catholic priest part relies on an offline reference):
*ALT... that the first guidebook to the Lake District, published in 1778, was by Thomas West, a Catholic priest?
--Orlady (talk) 02:55, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It's a bit awkward, so let me jump into the mix:
ALT2: ... that the first guidebook to England's Lake District was written in 1778 by the Catholic priest Thomas West? —Politizer talk/contribs 03:23, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I assume you didn't intend for "written published" to be stuck together like that, but I'm not sure what you intended there. I didn't want the hook to say he published it, because the article doesn't indicate that he published it himself. --Orlady (talk) 03:46, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Whoops. That was supposed to be "written." Thanks for catching it. —Politizer talk/contribs 04:01, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I realise that you've added the 'in England' bit for geographical exactitude but it slightly alters the meaning of the hook, as it implies that the guidebook was merely the first to be written 'in England' about the Lakes. The Lakes are well known in the UK, and international readership can click on the Lake District article to find out where it is. If you're determined to have it though, perhaps 'English Lake District' would be better. Benea (talk) 13:55, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Benea regarding "in England." Either delete those words (I don't think they are necessary) or make it "English Lake District." --Orlady (talk) 13:59, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'll make it "English Lake District," then. We should never require readers to click on a link when we can avoid it...I don't remember exactly which policy page says this, but somewhere it says basically "make links but write the article in such a way that readers can understand it without following them.—Politizer talk/contribs 15:41, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Zhao Jing (Tang Dynasty)



Riccardo Cassin

Template:DYKsuggestion at 08:21, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

    • Date and length of the article verified, off-line ref accepted per WP:AGF, interesting hook. A recommendation to the nominator: the subject is almost 100 years old (will be 100 old in a little more than a month), so you may want to add some more recent references confirming that he is still alive. There are actually quite a few articles about him now in the Italian press, preparing to celebrate his 100's birthday (e.g. [2]), and it may be a good idea to add a few of them to the article. Nsk92 (talk) 21:15, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Pat Austin

Template:DYKsuggestion at 06:33, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Asher Lopatin

Template:DYKsuggestion Alansohn (talk) 04:52, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on November 26

Shigeko Higashikuni

Template:DYKsuggestion at 08:11, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. Have made change. --MChew (talk) 14:44, 29 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The hook is sourced to a geocities site. On a side note, the referencing style was a bit sloppy when I first checked the article (no title given for the Time source, for example); in the future please make sure to provide properly formatted references when you nominate. —Politizer talk/contribs 21:01, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Evolution: The Musical!

Template:DYKsuggestion at 07:20, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

  • Article length is more than ample and creation date is OK, but the only source for the plot summary (including the hook fact) is a link to a copy of the movie itself. --Orlady (talk) 17:58, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Almost all of the 4409-byte character count comes from an overly long and detailed plot summary that needs to be cut down. There is a tiny bit of info on production; the rest of the content is gone, I removed it because it was either a) unnecessary actor bios, or b) quotes from reviews. The article doesn't establish notability and the "press section" doesn't actually describe and summarize the response to and criticism of the film, it only lists links to other reviews. Finally, out of the three refs given, one is IMDB and one is the film itself. This article can't be passed without a lot of improvement. —Politizer talk/contribs 20:54, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

St. Andrew's cross (philately)

Template:DYKsuggestion at 03:09, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

  • From what I can tell, the hook says something different than what the article says, so here's an alt:

Expiring noms

Articles created/expanded on November 25

Monarchies in the Americas

Suggest moving/re-naming to "Monarchies in the Americas". --74.14.20.203 (talk) 15:40, 26 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Someone's done so. I've updated things here. — BillC talk 02:01, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Article (and thus the hook) is confusing. It appears to me (from the article) that there are 12 countries in the Americas headed by monarchs (I would not have called these "monarchies," but I assume that someone has verified that the nomenclature is correct), of which 10 are headed by Queen Elizabeth II. Some parts of the article refer to the total of 12, but in other places the total is given as 10. If there are twelve monarchies, then the hook should say:
--Orlady (talk) 05:41, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Manual of style suggests the number should be written as 10 and 12, not ten and twelve. – How do you turn this on (talk) 16:43, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I interpret MOS:NUM#Numbers as figures or words to say either is acceptable. "... numbers greater than nine are commonly rendered in numerals, or may be rendered in words ... " Art LaPella (talk) 21:19, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
There are no inline citations for these numbers, and reviewers (not to mention readers) should not be expected to have to count stuff like that. If the only verification available is the fact that there are 12 sources each calling some other country a monarchy, then that isn't really enough to claim that there are exactly 12 monarchies (it would only mean that there are at least 12 monarchies). —Politizer talk/contribs 20:25, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Sohan Qadri

Template:DYKsuggestion at 07:00, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

  • is article is full of paintings by Sohan Qadri which Payaluttam uploaded with the same licenses. I suspect (1) the wrong licenses are used, or (2) this article is nicely decorated with blatant copyright violations, or (3) Sohan Qadri and Payaluttam are the same person, violating WP:AUTO. --74.14.20.203 (talk) 15:50, 26 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • agree, this looks like either a major copyvio case or WP:AUTO or both. Wikipedia:Non-free content specifically says that non-free images of living people should not be used in articles about them and that fair use is not applicable to such images. The article contains a number of photographs of Sohan Qadri of questionable origin, for the years 1953, 1966, 1967, 1969, 1973. It seems rather unlikely that User:Payaluttam is the creator and copyright holder of these pictures, unless User:Payaluttam and Sohan Qadri are the same person. Either way, unsuitable for the going to the main page. Nsk92 (talk) 16:11, 26 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Those seem like valid reasons not to take a chance on featuring the image on the Main Page. I will send a note to Payaluttam asking him to verify the copyright status of teh images. But, all that said, Payaluttam has put a tremendous effort into building what looks to me like a solid, well-sourced article about a pretty fascinating character. Someone else should decide since I nominated the article, but I'd say ding the picture but not the hook. The quote in the hook is cited to a mainstream art publication, and the person making the comment (F.N. Souza) is himself a very well-known and respected Indian artist.Cbl62 (talk) 02:06, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Payaluttam responded to my question on his talk page. He says he is writing the article for a New York gallery, Sundaramtagore. He states that the gallery does own the copyright on the images. While that may solve the copyright issue, it does suggest that the author has a financial interest in promoting Qadri's work. Even though I think the article is quite good, I think we probably ought not to feature it on the Main Page, as it may be construed as an advertisement for the author/gallery. Oh well. Cbl62 (talk) 05:50, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Regarding the copyright issue, if the gallery indeed owns the copyrights to these photos, there is a specific process to follow. I am not an expert on our copyright plicy, but my understanding is that the gallery would either have to post a notice on its own website explicitly releasing the copyright to these photos or to contact WMF directly with this information. The licence files for the images would have to be modified too. Nsk92 (talk) 13:11, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Fairuse pic Image:Sqportrait001.jpg is not free for use on DYK. Removed. --74.13.130.151 (talk) 20:04, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sorry, I am marking this one as DYKno. It is an interesting and well-written article, but there are significant COI and copyright problems that cannot be handled quickly here at DYK. In particular, I think that all the photos of Sohan Qadri used in the article are not in compliance with WP:NFC. I looked up their licences and the images say that the photos belong to Sohan Qadri himself and they essentially make a "fair use" claim. My understanding of WP:NFC is that "fair use" is not applicable here, since, among examples of non-acceptable uses of "fair use" claims for non-free pictures WP:NFC specifically lists: "Pictures of people still alive, groups still active, and buildings still standing; provided that taking a new free picture as a replacement (which is almost always considered possible) would serve the same encyclopedic purpose as the non-free image. This includes non-free promotional images." Maybe there is an expert on our copyright policies who can comment further, but I think that we are simply not equipped to deal with the copyright complications that arise here in the short time that we have to make a DYK decision. The article can still go through a good article review, where there is no pressing time limit, and where both COI and copyright problems can be addressed properly. Nsk92 (talk) 05:37, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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