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December 4

Request for help with article

Can someone enlighten me as to how to establish due weighting for the entire Emotional Freedom Technique article? There are two studies in major journals, both of which are low quality science (latter IMHO). There are many self-funded studies published in journals with a bias. And there is a very large userbase with several people heavily promoting themselves as an authority. Commenting on the thread at the bottom of the talk page would be appreciated for those who are sure about the policy, though I will keep an eye on this page. Thanks. Mindjuicer (talk) 03:08, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Quick note to say I'm no longer keeping an eye on this page. Please feel free to comment on the talk page or on my user page Mindjuicer (talk) 17:25, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

I clicked the link for feedback on an article i created and it said to go here.

Hello there, I recently created the article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carter_Lee and would like feedback. I clicked on the link at the top of the article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_feedback but it read "This process is currently inactive. Please consider asking for feedback at the Help Desk"

Please assist at your earliest convenience, thank you.

Rick Sparx (talk) 05:17, 4 December 2011 (UTC) Rick Sparx

Your article was deleted under G11, which means it was unambiguously promotional and would need to be fundamentally rewritten to become encyclopedic. Based on that I suspect the you have a connection with the Carter Lee that gives you a conflict of interest that would make it nearly impossible to write an article about him from the neutral point of view that Wikipedia requires. If my guess is wrong or if you would like to try anyway, start by collecting neutral, independent reliable sources about him, and write your article base on those sources as though you knew nothing else about him, citing your sources inline as though you were writing a research paper for school. —teb728 t c 06:08, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Image rotated 90 degrees

As I was reading Languages of the United Kingdom#Scotland, I noticed that the image of the bilingual railway sign, which I'm including here at right, is rotated 90 degrees counterclockwise (or anticlockwise, if you swing that way). When I click on it and go to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:PartickPartaig.jpg, the same holds of the preview that's shown there — although when I click on that and go to the file of the image itself, now it's right side up, which is, presumably, how the original user uploaded it. Does anybody know what is causing this behavior, and if there is a way to cause the image to display properly in the articles where it is used? (Or, perhaps, is this behavior unique to my browser?)  Glenfarclas  (talk) 06:58, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

The thumbnail is rotated incorrectly, as seen in the metadata ("Orientation: Rotated 90° CW"). I've requested rotation on the Commons page. Rotatebot will rotate it in a few hours. Goodvac (talk) 07:38, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Except that Rotatebot is having problems at present, and quoting a few days rather than its usual few hours. Maproom (talk) 15:12, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. I find it odd that, as it seems to me, the jpg itself is oriented properly — 90° clockwise from how the photo was taken — but the software that produces the thumbnail thinks it knows better and rotates it back again. I can't imagine what the benefit to that would be.  Glenfarclas  (talk) 01:52, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Rather than wait for the bot, I have uploaded a rotated version of the file. – ukexpat (talk) 14:39, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Haha, I guess that works too. Thanks! -- Glenfarclas  (talk) 01:50, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

bad reference in the article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramayana:_The_Legend_of_Prince_Rama

in this article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramayana:_The_Legend_of_Prince_Rama there is a reference to http://www.matchless-gifts.com/store/ which i think is not related , inappropriate and more like a free advertisement to that web store.please check it out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.198.105.203 (talk) 07:30, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out. The link was inserted as a source in this 2008 edit by a good editor. I tagged the citation with {{fv}} and left a note for the editor. —teb728 t c 09:37, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

nonprofit using Inc.

I'm curious how you're able to use "Inc." after your foundation name. I've been incorporating nonprofits for years and they cannot use "company" or "Co." or "Inc." after their name. I know there are 2 corporations -- are they both nonprofit? Please email me at <email removed>. If you don't send personal emails, how will I be notified when/if you answer? Thanks, C. Read, Seattle, WA — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.172.55.118 (talk) 07:41, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Different states have different laws; perhaps the laws of your state are different. WikiMedia Foundation, Inc. is a Florida corporation. I don't know what other corporation you are referring to. I have removed your email address to protect you from being bombarded by spam and because like most helpers here I never reply via email (to protect us from being bombarded by spam). Instead we reply by appending a reply to your post. I will also post a talkback notice to the talk page associated with your IP address. —teb728 t c 08:13, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Incorporation is state-specific, unlike tax status. AFAIK the IRS does not impose restrictions on the entity designation for 501(c) non-profits, though it does make the distinction between "private" (individuals) and "non-private" (grants, donations) foundations.

As for the two corporations you are referring to, I assume you are thinking of Wikia, Inc., which was created by Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales but is independent from the Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.. Wikia is for profit; the WMF on the other hand is tax-exempt 501(c)(3).

In any case, we cannot give legal advice. See disclaimer. Best, CharlieEchoTango (contact) 08:32, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

In the UK the term "Inc." is not used for any company, instead two designations are used to indicate limited liability, PLC for Public Limited Company, which is basically really big companies and Ltd. for all others. A not for profit can be incorporated in a number of ways. The most usual is a "Company not for profit limited by guarantee' Such a not for profit MUST use the term Ltd unless it gets special permission not to. Many charities in the UK are just such companies which have separately applied to the Charities commission to be registered as a charity which carries tax advantages and then applied to Companies House for permission not to use the "Ltd." So it just depends what state, or country you are in..

Speedy deletion of unused files

Is it possible for me as the uploader of a number images here on Wikipedia that are now orphaned to request speedy deletion of these files? If so, what is the correct tag for such a case? The files in question are File:Page move test.jpg File:Screenshot 01.png File:Screenshot Toshio Yamaguchi.png File:Screenshot Toshio Yamaguchi 01.jpg and File:Wikipedia screenshot 2011 04 06.JPG. If not, I will take them to WP:FFD per WP:NOTWEBHOST#2. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 10:23, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

The general speedy criteria should apply to images, so you should be able to tag it with WP:G7. WP:G2 may apply too as they were uploaded to show errors, which I presume to be resolved now. Яehevkor ✉ 10:56, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. I tagged all of the files as G2. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 11:04, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

This seems like a hoax and scam with the Karthik Nadar asking for money.

https://wikimediafoundation.org/w/index.php?title=L11_1202_KN/en/US

Having Karthik Nadar asking for money seems like a hoax and scam when you have Donate to Wikipedia on the side bar. I would remove it if I were you. And check it out to see if it is a scam. or Karthik's way just to get recognition. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.5.133.241 (talk) 10:35, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

No, this page is part of the annual fundraising effort. You can read more about the Wikimedia Foundation here and more about Karthik Nadar at his user page. -- John of Reading (talk) 12:09, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

I don't bother about your comment because I m no where a celebrity, neither Wikipedia gives me anything. If you still believe it seems like a hoax, I will request Wikimedia to remove, and will quit Wiki too. -- Karthik Nadar (talk) 13:46, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

It is part of the fundraising effort by the Wikimedia Foundation to show messages from ordinary editors. Unlike wikipedia.org, normal volunteer editors like Karthik Nadar and I (who is a Wikipedia administrator) cannot edit wikimediafoundation.org. https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Special:UserLogin says: "You can only login if an account has been created for you by the Board of Wikimedia". If you still have concerns then you can click the Donate link in the sidebar either here or at http://wikimediafoundation.org and mail the email address shown there: problemsdonating@wikimedia.org. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:30, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Providing a suggestion for more information for a topic

Good day, This evening I was reading in Wikipedia about the Magna Carta. I know that there is a copy in the Cathedral at Salisbury, and another in the Parliament Building in Canberra in Australia (I have seen both). I don't know whether either is the original. I don't know if other copies exist. The article does not specify where the original is located, or whether it still exists, and where copies from that time are located. I would like to make a suggestion to the experts and editors writing about this topic that there is some information which has not been covered but which at least one reader would find useful, if anyone out there knows the answer. I could find no way to make such a suggestion. I recommend that readers cannot only edit the topics but can also suggest avenues of enquiry for those who may be able to supply the information. I recommend that Wikipedia provide a mechanism for such suggestions to be recorded. The reason I am using this mechanism to make this suggestion is that I could find no other. Thank you for considering this request. Oh, and if anyone knows where the original Magna Carta is, I'd be interested to know. :-) Cheers, Carl New Zealand — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.93.53.163 (talk) 11:28, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Hello Carl, if you want to request changes or suggestions to specific articles, the place to go is the talk page, so in this case it would be Talk:Magna Carta--Jac16888 ^Talk 12:03, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

real time scheduling

An operating system designer wants to use a scheduling algorithm that reserves 50% of CPU time for periodic real-time tasks. The remaining time should be used round robin for non time critical processes.

(a) Describe how EDF can be extended to �t the requirements. (b) Explain for your scheduling algorithm how for a given task set it can be decided whether it is schedulable. (c) Describe which parameters of your algorithm will a�ect the average response time for the non time-critical tasks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.70.68.211 (talk) 11:58, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Please do your own homework.
Welcome to the Wikipedia Help desk. Your question appears to be a homework question. I apologize if this is a misevaluation, but it is our policy here not to do people's homework for them, but merely to aid them in doing it themselves. Letting someone else do your homework does not help you learn how to solve such problems.
Please attempt to solve the problem yourself first. You can search Wikipedia or search the Web.
If you need help with a specific part of your homework, the Reference desk can help you grasp the concept. Do not ask knowledge questions here, just those about using Wikipedia. -- John of Reading (talk) 12:11, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Can this symbol be generated using HTML code

Resolved

Is it possible to produce the symbol seen between 2 and 5 in $2\nmid 5$ with simple HTML code, similar to how for example typing & equiv ; (without the spaces between & and e as well as v and ;) produces ≡? If so, what is the HTML code for that symbol? Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 13:00, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Never mind, I fixed it in this edit. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 13:08, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

That was using <math>...</math>. For pure HTML, use the entity ∤: ∤. — Edokter (talk) — 13:49, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Awesome. That's exactly what I originally looked for. I see you already changed it in the article. Thanks. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 13:52, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Link at top of the page asking for donations

I read the article on Charles Darwin and thought I'd donate. I clicked on the ad at the top of the page and the link didn't work. I clicked on "donate" and the link didn't work. So I went to other pages and clicked the same links there. Nothing happened. At all. Not a pop-up, not another page, not a Cap+click or a Ctrl+click reaction. Nothing. Nada. Rien. How do you expect to raise money if your links don't work?

I've spend 15 minutes trying to donate and testing links and finding this contact form and writing this message. At my hourly rate that would be approx. USD 120. It's my donation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Special:Contributions/ (talk) 13:54, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry you have had trouble with the donation links. Perhaps your browser has blacklisted the wikimediafoundation.org domain? Here's a direct link to the Wikimedia Foundation home page. -- John of Reading (talk) 14:40, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

If you are unable to view http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate and other pages at http://wikimediafoundation.org then perhaps you can try another browser or Internet connection, or you can send a mail to problemsdonating@wikimedia.org. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:39, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

External links - blogs

I edited an article - a book - South by Java Head by Alistair MacLean and I put up an external link - a book review which redirects to my blog(Google blogger). I had no intentions of spam / loading the page with irrelevant content and I wish to know why the bot removed the link. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tandyanderson (talk • contribs) 13:55, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

The Wikipedia content guideline on external links is stricter than many editors realise. Links to blogs are rarely appropriate. In addition, since this is your own blog, you should look at the advice on conflict of interest. -- John of Reading (talk) 14:44, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

"Requests for feedback" process now inoperative - so how do new articles get reviewed?

Hi, I notice the "Requests for feedback" process is now showing as 'inoperative' and redirecting to here. So what is the correct process now for requesting peer reviews for new articles and getting the "New Unreviewed Article" tag removed, please? I have two new articles - Charlotte Melmoth and John Street Theatre which I would like reviewed & untagged: how do I request this? 'Charlotte Melmoth' was submitted under the old 'Request for Feedback' system shortly before that system became inoperative; I was directed to this page when trying the same process for 'John Street Theatre'. I then tried the 'submit' link instead, which simply gave it an 'articles for creation' tag.

Any help or suggestions gratefully received! Butcherscross (talk) 13:58, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Charlotte Melmoth (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

John Street Theatre (Manhattan) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Hmm, it looks like the Help desk regulars will have to learn to review articles! These look fine, well-referenced. I've tweaked them a little and have removed the "unreviewed" tags. I invite other help desk regulars to have a look too, partly so that I can learn from their edits. -- John of Reading (talk) 15:18, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Many thanks, John of Reading! I appreciate that!Butcherscross (talk) 20:23, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Need CityVille Hometown Reviewed

I just created CityVille Hometown and would appreciate if someone could weigh in and remove the unreviewed tag if you see fit. Thanks in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JovanWelks (talk • contribs) 15:15, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Looks good to me, it's sourced, a few categories would be good. CTJF83 15:44, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

http://anexosolanadelmar.blogspot.com/

Hi, In my opinion this blog helps a lot to understand the history of the chair.

I recived this emeail from you:

Hello! I'm a bot created by another Wikipedia editor. I wanted to let you know that I removed a link that you recently added to the page Butterfly chair here. I did this because http://anexosolanadelmar.blogspot.com/ is probably inappropriate for an encyclopedia. We usually avoid linking to blogs, forums, and social media sites. We appreciate your help in making Wikipedia better for everyone. If I made a mistake, feel free to undo my edit. If you have any questions, you can ask at the Help desk. Thank you! --XLinkBot (talk) 17:03, 4 December 2011 (UTC) If this is a shared IP address, and you didn't make the edit, please ignore this notice. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.64.65.67 (talk)

Blog violate our policy on self published sources and guidelines on restricted external links, since anyone can write what they want in a blog they are unreliable sources and cannot be used. Яehevkor ✉ 17:18, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Mating habits

Hello, I am looking for information about the mating habits of the following animals:

hippogriffs gryphons dragons unicorns flying unicorns winged horses phoenixes centaurs — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.88.233.130 (talk) 17:27, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

The male's sperm fertilises the female's egg. PaoloNapolitano 17:38, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Strange to say, a similar question has been asked before. -- John of Reading (talk) 17:39, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Spacing ideas on Pakistan national rugby league team?

Can someone please take a look at Pakistan national rugby league team. I'm trying to get the boxes on the left to be in the same column and have had to resort to multiple < BR > to do so. The RLIF rankings include a reference, so the rankings template must be used prior to the {{reflist}}, but doing so without the BRs, pushes the first template box to the right to give really goofy listing. Personally, I'm not a fan of template boxes that include references that get placed on the page that they are in.Naraht (talk) 18:15, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

I've made an edit. Any good? The only proper fix will be to add three more paragraphs of sparkling prose, of course. -- John of Reading (talk) 20:39, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for the change, that works. I agree on the proper fix. :) This came out of an effort to clear the list of articles with the "missing references list".Naraht (talk) 21:37, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

different log in pages - is there a font recognition problem? do i need 2 log in names?

i log in using http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin&returnto=Main+Page&campaign=ACP3 without any problem. i am unable to log in using http://zh.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E7%99%BB%E5%BD%95&returnto=Wikipedia%3A%E9%A6%96%E9%A1%B5

after i log in, i went to edit a page in http://zh.wikipedia.org. wiki took my edit without recognizing my login name. but then when i tried to edit again, it no longer accepts my edit and requires me logging in first. however, i logged in using en.wikipedia.org. So, is it some kind of font recognition thing between zh.wikipedia and en.wikipedia? if you require the page i editted, then please let me know.

anyway, my problem now is that i cannot make edits in zh.wikipedia.org even though i can log in perfectly fine through en.wikipedia.org. do i need a separate log in name in zh.wikipedia.org?

thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hopf (talk • contribs) 18:19, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

No, you shouldn't need two login names. See Wikipedia:Unified login, and see if the "Merge account" link on that page helps you. (It's too long since I used it, I've forgotten exactly what it did...). -- John of Reading (talk) 20:31, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Go to Special:MergeAccount to unify your account. http://toolserver.org/~quentinv57/sulinfo/Hopf shows the username has the most edits at the Spanish Wikipedia. You may have to surpass that edit count to unify the account, or log in to the Spanish Wikipedia and use es:Special:MergeAccount if it's your account. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:23, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

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I think I misrepresented myself here. I do not have 2 accounts. Neither do I want to create 2 accounts until I absolutely must.

Please let me give an example: i logged in using http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_page Upon log in, i can edit this - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England but i cannot edit this: http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E8%8B%B1%E6%A0%BC%E5%85%B0 the latter is the same page of the former in a different langauge. Similarly, I cannot edit these http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%82%A4%E3%83%B3%E3%82%B0%E3%83%A9%E3%83%B3%E3%83%89 nor http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angleterre

The last 2 are the same of the first, in another 2 langauges. So, I want to learn how I can edit in other languages or what hoops I have to jump in order to do that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hopf (talk • contribs) 14:39, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

What do you see if you go to Special:MergeAccount? -- John of Reading (talk) 16:04, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

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Hi, the below text is what i see in pink: The home wiki for this account (listed below) has a different password to the one you entered. Please enter the password for the home wiki.

however, i do not see anything listed below. thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hopf (talk • contribs) 20:33, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

You need to make four more edits at the English Wikipedia, so that your edit count here is greater than the 20 edits made by the unrelated Spanish Hopf account; then visit Special:MergeAccount once again. You will then become the owner of the "Hopf" account name in all the projects where there is no "Hopf" account already. To make four quick edits you can visit the Wikipedia:Sandbox if you can't find anything better to do. -- John of Reading (talk) 20:54, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

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I went to the Merge Account page again and it asked me to merge. Therefore, I believe I now satisfy the 20 edit requirement. I went through that merge process. However, how do I know I went through that successfully? I tried to make a test edit in another page that is not en.wikipedia. That, I did not succeed. the zh.wikipedia continues to ask me to login. Is there a load time for this to be effective? Hopf (talk) 21:32, 5 December 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hopf (talk • contribs) 21:30, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

http://toolserver.org/~quentinv57/sulinfo/Hopf confirms you have the unified account and only miss the Spanish and German Wikipedia where the username was already taken. Set a checkmark at "Also log me in to other wikis of the Wikimedia Foundation" when you log in at Special:UserLogin. If you are not automatically logged in at another language or Wikimedia wiki then try logging in there with your normal password. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:24, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

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thank you. i can now make edits in other languages. it all works. this ticket can now be closed. Hopf (talk) 01:53, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

List of programs broadcast by Telefutura

This is my first time doing this, so please bear with me. This article has a tag since January 2011, but because there are 28 valid sources (a majority of which come from Univision's website), I would like to know if it's alright for me to remove it or not. Platinum Star (talk) 18:52, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

I'd day not, well over half the entries still lack sources. Яehevkor ✉ 18:57, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Sylvia Hyman

I did my best to post an article about this world-renowned sculptor, who is my mother. however, i can't figure out whether I did it right or what will show up. I have no idea how to code anything. i believe she ought to be represented on Wikipedia but the system has grown much more complicated than it used to be. If anyone wants to edit this, you're welcome to do so! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jdiamondme (talk • contribs) 19:24, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

You created the article for review but haven't submitted it. I'm not familiar with the process, but I took the liberty of doing some edits to make it look a little better. It still needs a lot of work, though. Nonetheless, if you want to submit the article, go to this page and follow this instruction: "If this submission is ready to be reviewed, click here and hit save to request a review". Be aware that creation of articles by the subject or someone closely affiliated with the subject is problematic at Wikipedia. See WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY and COI. Good luck.--Bbb23 (talk) 19:52, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Actually, I think you've done pretty well at writing a neutral article, which is the biggest problem for writers who has a conflict of interest; but some of the details included are probably not encyclopaedic. But the big problem is that a list of "References" at the end is not enough: articles need in-line citations for (ideally) every fact mentioned in the article, so that anybody using the article to research a subject can verify everything in it. See WP:Referencing for beginners. --ColinFine (talk) 22:52, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Possibly problematic link

Re: page at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madonna_del_Ghisallo

There may be a problem with the first external link at the bottom of this article. I clicked on the Museum link and once I was on the site I clicked on (I think) the home page and ended up with some sort of virus. I got my pc running again but I'm too scared to check the link, so perhaps some nice wikipedia person could check it out... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anacara (talk • contribs) 19:48, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

References in the "Further reading" section?

According to WP:ORDER, the references section should come before further reading section. However in Boxer Rebellion, the further reading section is so well done, with comments on issues such as about reading newspapers at the time, that there are references there. However since the {{references}} is above it, it gives the "Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page, but the references will not show without a {{Reflist}} template or a <references /> tag; see thehelp page." error. What is the proper way to handle this situation?Naraht (talk) 21:41, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

• When engaged in a detailed discussion of sources, there is no need to refer readers to yet-another-section on sources. Cite the source referred to in full for the claims either using inline attribution or parentheses. For example: "David D. Buck, "Review," The China Quarterly 173 (2003): 234-237." is cited inline in that section of the article in full. For "One newspaper editor claimed that "half the telegrams were deliberately 'faked'," and much of what was printed was not true. [1] " => "One newspaper editor claimed that "half the telegrams were deliberately 'faked'," and much of what was printed was not true. (Frederic A. Sharf and Peter Harrington. China 1900: The Artists' Perspective. London: Greenhill, 2000. ISBN 1-85367-409-5.)" Fifelfoo (talk) 22:06, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Hmm, meanwhile I've fixed the error message a different way. Take your pick. -- John of Reading (talk) 22:13, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Both solutions look fine and since John of Reading's change fixed it, I'm fine with leaving it that way.Naraht (talk) 23:15, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Adding talk page banners in sandbox?

Should I wait until transferring a sandbox entry to add the Wikiproject banners or is it OK to put them on while the page is in the sandie?TCO (talk) 23:06, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

You can add them to the talk page as you would normally do it, except enclose everything in <nowiki></nowiki> so that your sandbox doesn't appear in one of the categories. For example:

<nowiki>
{{WikiProject Biography}}
{{WikiProject Opera}}
</nowiki>

When you move the page into mainspace, the <nowiki></nowiki> should be stripped off. Goodvac (talk) 23:19, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Like it!TCO (talk) 23:22, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Media Representations of Haiti

Can someone please take a look at Media Representations of Haiti? It doesn't feel quite right as an article, but I can't point to anything specific that makes it non-encyclopedic. While it looks somewhat more like an essay, it does have at least one reference. (It's creation and additions are by what appear to be an SPA, but one that has made a *lot* of edits on it.Naraht (talk) 23:18, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

I would agree that it does sound like an essay. The article also has some original research. I added some maintenance tags to the article. -- Luke (Talk) 23:28, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

I've messaged the member who started the article about the tags -- Luke (Talk) 23:50, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

December 5

Is citing an episode a reliable source?

I want to cite that someone appears in an episode. If their name is in the credits for that episode, does the episode itself count as a reliable source? - Purplewowies (talk) 01:35, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

What "episode" are you talking about exactly ? A Wiki page or something else ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tanner Lin (talk • contribs) 09:02, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

An episode of a television show that contains an actor's name in the credits, which I can provide a timecode for. I'm wondering if the episode itself counts as reliable for the purposes of citing that someone was in it on a Wikipedia article. - Purplewowies (talk) 15:32, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

'Australian Business Traveller' tagged as 'probably not a reliable source for an encyclopedia'?

Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:101.169.48.3&diff=cur

I'm the editor of AusBT and not sure why this site is not considered a reliable source, as we are an established online publication with a solid track record of reporting and indeed breaking many stories. AusBT is as credible as other recognised media outlets and I believe that citations from information provided by AusBT can only help make Wikipedia articles more current and more useful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.169.48.3 (talk) 02:24, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Hi. We answer reliability questions at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard. Reliability on wikipedia is governed by the author, publication venue, the publicatished item itself, the statement supported on wikipedia, and the article on which it appears—no source is universally reliable. You certainly should not be posting your own publications to wikipedia pages as this is a WP:Conflict of interest. As a Reliable Sources/Noticeboard editor on wikipedia, I can tell you that your publication triggers a number of instant signals that are worrisome; but, I couldn't form a judgement outside of the specific context of an WP:RS/N request. Fifelfoo (talk) 02:46, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for that. We'd like to sort this out so that information sourced by AusBT can indeed be shared via Wikipedia – for instance, with regards to the new Scoot airline we already have exclusive information from an interview with Scoot CEO (which makes him a pretty reliable source) on the fact that all Scoot Boeing 777s will be extended-range ER versions but not rated and operated as such at launch (http://www.ausbt.com.au/scoot-debuts-sydney-singapore-in-mid-2012-china-india-to-follow); that Scoot will not use traditional in-seat video screens and is instead looking to tablets (http://www.ausbt.com.au/scoot-mulls-wireless-ipads-android-tablets-for-in-flight-entertainment); and also more info on Scoot seating, including that Scoot's business-class seat will in fact be a premium economy seat (http://www.ausbt.com.au/scoot-s-new-business-class-not-business-as-usual). That's on top of many other stories which we have broken or which we're first to report (often ahead of larger publications and newspapers due to the more nimble nature of focussed online media), and as this info feeds back into Wikipedia it should be cited appropriately. I'd welcome a chat about how AusBT triggers 'worriesome signals' and how we can work on fixing that so that if a third party updates Wikipedia articles with information from an AusBT article, and cites appropriately, that revision will remain live for the benefit of all users. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.169.48.3 (talk) 03:06, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

In addition to Wikipedia:COI see WP:EL#ADV. See also this archived discussion. —teb728 t c 03:17, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

On wikipedia I'm not in the business of supplying consulting services relating to online media; nor, generally, does wikipedia supply advice to editors of magazines regarding the current state of consensus because

• consensus is determined on a day to day basis by expert editors working together in discussion on RS/N
• we would rather not have our methods and structures "gamed" such that some outlets achieve an appearance of reliability without the substance.

My suggestion would be to take a specific article to RS/N when it has been used to support a specific statement on a specific article, and watch how RS/N editors work. If in general your articles get accepted by RS/N, then your publication will generally be accepted in future. Do keep in mind that I've opposed the reliability of Time The Times and The New York Times in certain articles when they're used to support certain statements. If you note problems with reliability for your publication on RS/N, then I'd suggest you consider correcting those issues at your end if you wish your publication to be used as a resource. Additionally, I'd suggest contacting an appropriate Wikiproject, such as Wikipedia:WikiProject Aviation where editors interested in Aviation congregate, and mentioning your publication to them. Fifelfoo (talk) 03:29, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, I noted Bidgee's observation that "ABT seems to be more than a blog and an apparently independent news source, but not notable enough for its own article yet" – so as we're a year on I should have that rectified and set up an article. We were adding a _lot_ of information into WIkipedia articles and thus AusBT citations with them, which I thought was more appropriate than inserting information without any reference (and only fair that if AusBT had the first/best story, AusBT should get the cite) – and I know of many other journalists who do the same with their own work. But to avoid potential WP:Conflict of interest issues I'll ensure that doesn't happen, so if you can help by removing the 'red flag' on AusBT that'd be appreciated. I'll also look into touching base with the Wikipedia:WikiProject Aviation folk. Thanks for your help! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.169.48.3 (talk) 03:38, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

The behaviour of writing articles and then inserting text into wikipedia sourced to your own article sounds like the perfect start to a Conflict of Interest issue resulting in banning. Please follow Wikipedia's conflict of interest policies carefully: post to the article talk page noting your new publication and its potential use in the article. There doesn't seem to be a hardcoded restriction against your website's link; but, reliability issues are judged on a case by case basis. Fifelfoo (talk) 07:06, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

in a bind

I typed my user name, then my password. After following the prompt to come up with a new password, I got the message that user 'cpopa' does not exist, which is untrue. What's going on? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.28.74.112 (talk) 03:15, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

User:Cpopa does exist. But be sure you understand that both usernames and passwords are case sensitive. —teb728 t c 03:28, 5 December 2011 (UTC) But I have never heard of Wikipedia asking for a new password. Are you sure you were trying to login to Wikipedia? —teb728 t c 03:39, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

User:cpopa only exists at the English Wikipedia at http://en.wikipedia.org. Was it here you tried to log in? Try again at Special:UserLogin. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:30, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

A side table is not editable.

Hello;

A side table in the article Municipalities of Mexico is apparently not editable, as it does not appear anywhere in the Edit tab and seemingly does not belong to any section. It also doesn't have an edit option at the bottom, as other table or box template have. On this table, at least one datum is wrong (the number of municipalities of the state of Jalisco is 125, not 126).

Could you please point me to a way to edit this table? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rene8 (talk • contribs) 05:01, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Go to Template:States of Mexico by municipality. That is the location of that table. GB fan 05:06, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

(edit conflict) It is being transcluded from a template rather than being part of the article (see Wikipedia:Transclusion for technical details). The table you wish to edit is located at Template:States of Mexico by municipality. If you ever see text included in double curly braces {{ }} at Wikipedia, that means it is from a template, so if you see {{Foo}}, you can edit the contents of that template at Template:Foo. Does that help? --Jayron32 05:08, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Thank you both. I know little about the technicalities of editing, so dind't know about transclusion. I know it now. I've edited the mentioned table. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rene8 (talk • contribs) 05:34, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

where can i go to buy mercury

where can i go to buy mercury — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.27.112.174 (talk) 05:48, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Which one? The planet, the god, the element, the car, the basketball team, the newspaper, or the football player? --Jayron32 05:58, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Probably the rock star. —teb728 t c 06:23, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

This is the Wikipedia Help Desk, for asking questions about using Wikipedia. If you can't find what you want in any of the articles linked from Mercury, you might consider asking at one of the departments of the Help Desk Reference Desk - probably either Science or Miscellaneous (if you do so, remember to tell people where in the world you are!) But you might do better just googling. --ColinFine (talk) 21:19, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

I have replaced "Help Desk" by Reference Desk in the above post. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:27, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

create own .dic and .aff files

Hi I want to create own .dic and .aff files without unicode ie is in ASCII codes. Can you please suggest me how to create it if I have wordlist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.100.175.66 (talk) 05:59, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

I don't know. I suggest you ask your question again at the Computing reference desk. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:25, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Images of the Prophet Mohammed

i read the article written about Mohammed the prophet (peace be upon him) and i was insulted and offended by the fact that a photo for the prophet was posted in the article, actually, the photo did not add any thing to the article and it can be removed or replaced by any other photo for his tomb or for any other islamic symbol without affecting the context of the article... it is banned in the islamic religion to imagine the shape of the prophet mohammed or even drawing any symbols for his shape.. Therefore, please remove the photo or replace it as this is an offence for the muslims and as you wrote an article about islamic religion, write it in the right way and you can add a note that it is banned and prohibited for muslims to draw the prophet. this will be a valuablr and realistic add...this issue is important for all muslims and no action is taken, i will sue wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.197.169.177 (talk) 06:13, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

There are no photographs of the Prophet Mohammed. He passed away long before the invention of photography. I suggest you read Depictions of Muhammad, and then read WP:NLT. In any case, for what it is worth, I can see little merit in including depictions of the Prophet on Wikipedia - but that doesn't justify threats, even unenforceable ones. This isn't an Islamic encyclopaedia, and while we need to consider the sensitivities of certain faiths, we are not ruled by them. AndyTheGrump (talk) 06:26, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Yes better to discuss about the photo graph of His Highness Hazrat Mohammed Mustafa better please try to know and fallow what he has taught to the human beings . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.0.9.62 (talk) 10:36, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

See also Talk:Muhammad/FAQ. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:56, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Can an admin upload the following file and reason inside

There is a logo of the United Russia logo in SVG format in Russian wikipedia I wanted to upload to English Wiki, but it gives me the error -

"Warning: A file by that name has been deleted or moved.

The deletion and move log for this page are provided here for convenience: 14:54, March 13, 2008 ^demon (talk | contribs) deleted "File:United Russia logo.svg" ‎ (Speedy deleted per (CSD I8), was an image available as a bit-for-bit identical copy on the Wikimedia Commons.) "

• Please note, that almost 4 years past and the logo should be uploaded.

SVG link - Файл:Логотип партии "Единая Россия".svg

En.Wiki OLD png format to delete after the above upload - File:United Russia logo.png

Thank you,
  – HonorTheKing (talk) 06:30, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Apparently what happened was that en:File:United Russia logo.svg was moved to Commons:File:United Russia logo.svg but then deleted from Commons as non-free. An admin should undelete the local copy. —teb728 t c 06:47, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

 Done, but it a) probably needs a fair use rationale, b) needs fixing (the SVG looks broken, at least from my computer). CharlieEchoTango (contact) 07:52, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Thank you, but I think it should be deleted and than created again as it doesn't allow a real upload, it shows the dimensions as 0 × 0 (131 KB), with no preview pic, but after clicking the date it shows it. wierd. tried to upload few times with no avail.
  – HonorTheKing (talk) 09:08, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

I tagged it {{db-f2}} which will get it deleted as a corrupt file, but that will probably just take it back to where it was before it was undeleted. Probably the thing to do is upload it under another name. —teb728 t c 12:52, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Modifying a chart or table

Where do I go to ask for help in modifying a chart at Los_Angeles_City_Council#Past_members? Thank you. GeorgeLouis (talk) 06:59, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

What sort of help do you need? The tables themselves are encoded in the page source as usual for content and the page isn't protected. On the other hand, table syntax can be confusing. The talk-page of the article would be a place to discuss ideas for improving layout before you delve in and get your hands dirty (and brain fried) trying to overhaul a whole table's organization. Or HELP:TABLE is a starting point for table syntax details (and probably links to specific discussion pages?). Or I guess here is a good enough place since it's active and lots of editors have a range of experiences with table tricks, just let us know details of what you're trying to accomplish. DMacks (talk) 07:09, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Where are drafts stored?

I saved a draft entry using the wizard, now I want to work on it some more, but I can't see it... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tatianagoldflower (talk • contribs) 07:26, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

You haven't saved anything other than this message under your current username. Can you be more specific as to which entry (title) you saved in the wizard? Perhaps you weren't logged in and saved it under your IP address. CharlieEchoTango (contact) 07:44, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Per the article wizard instructions I did not put in a title as it was a draft. Definitely hit "save page." Now its gone? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tatianagoldflower (talk • contribs) 08:11, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

We might be able to help you find it with a text search. What unusual names, words or phrases were in your draft? -- John of Reading (talk) 08:22, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

It was a start of an article on a person named Eran Thomson - unique words would include friendlet, prepare to live and koobar. thank you for your help :-) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tatianagoldflower (talk • contribs) 08:30, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Try this search again in 24 hours. It takes a few hours for the Wikipedia search indexes to be updated. If that doesn't find it, then I'm afraid that your edit wasn't saved. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:41, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

ہیموگلوبن

کس طرح بڑھایا جا سکتا ہے — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.0.9.62 (talk) 10:28, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

This is the English Wikipedia, please speak in English. We also do not answer medical questions. -- Obsidi♠n Soul 11:28, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

If you are interested in editing Wikipedia in Urdu, you can see the Urdu Wikipedia (ur:صفحہ اول). But they don't answer medical questions, either. --Philosopher ^{Let us reason together.} 21:56, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Murder of Keenan Santos and Reuben Fernandes

Does this particular event satisfy notability criteria? I would like to hear opinions on that. I plan on creating an article about this event. The following are the list of sources i plan on using:

Joyson Noel ^{Holla at me!} 11:56, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Notability (events). Considering that this happened last October and still seems to be controversial enough to be nationally significant, it may be notable. If there have been significant in-depth treatment of the event (like feature stories, etc.) as well, then it's very likely to be notable.-- Obsidi♠n Soul 12:37, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

OK. So my conclusion is that it satisfies the following:

• WP:EFFECT – The incident caused a great deal of public outrage all over India, and led to people protesting in Mumbai, and police being dispatched to patrol the streets to curb eve teasing. Also, calls are being made for tougher laws against sexual harrasment.
• WP:GEOSCOPE – The incident was covered nationally.
• WP:INDEPTH – Some of these articles do put the events into context.
• WP:DIVERSE – Sources are obviously diverse.

Joyson Noel ^{Holla at me!} 12:54, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

You need to consider WP:NOTNEWS. The absolutely most important criteria for deciding if an event is something which merits its own encyclopedia article is if sources exist outside of the standard "news cycle", that is if writing is being done beyond the immediate time period after the event. --Jayron32 14:30, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Huggle Configuration

I got rollback rights yesterday and downloaded Huggle but it doesn't seem to work. I've enabled it on my config. page but it still says I need to check it when I try to login. -Abigail was here :D (Need Some Help? Click Me!) 11:59, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

After looking at other user's huggle.css pages (search), I suggest you try "enable:true" rather than "enable-all:true". -- John of Reading (talk) 12:07, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Yes, that's documented here. -- John of Reading (talk) 12:08, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Choosing a category

Hello, I have recently successfully placed an entry on to wikipedia; 'The Peterloo Group', I chose as a category 'Arts, Manchester' which is showing highlighted in red as if it is invalid, could you please suggest a better category for this entry. Are there a chosen number of acceptable ones? Thank you.DonLorenzo11 (talk) 13:40, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Firstly you spelled the word "category" incorrectly. Secondly you had the format of the link wrong; as you used {{...}} it was looking for a template; it should have been [[...]]. The list of categories is at Special:Categories, & that includes a link to an index by topic. - David Biddulph (talk) 13:58, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

I have added two categories [1] but the article still has many problems. See Wikipedia:Your first article. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:11, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Alexa

Why wikipedia rankings seems to be based, only in Alexa rankings? --My Sistemx (talk) 14:47, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Some of Wikipedia's articles about web sites show the Alexa rank in the box at the top right - for example the Wikipedia article itself. Is that what you are referring to? The place to discuss that would be Template talk:Infobox website. -- John of Reading (talk) 18:01, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Splitting a Sandbox in half

Recently, I started to use User:Buster7/Sandbox-Belgian American Club of Chicago as a receptical for work on a seperate but similar article. In hindsight that was probably a mistake. I should have created a new sandbox right from the start. What is the best way to move the new article to its own sandbox? Move the whole "shabang" and then edit-out one from the other? Thanks! TRA! Buster Seven Talk 15:06, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Copy and paste would be OK in this situation. – ukexpat (talk) 15:58, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Copy paste would indeed be fine, but if you want to retain the article edit history you will need to request that an admin perform a history split (see WP:HISTSPLIT). I unsure of a correct venue for requesting this, last time I needed it done I asked at WP:AN. LxRv (a.ka. Rehevkor) 16:31, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

 Done Thanks! No history necessary. Buster Seven Talk 17:50, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Unhelpful edits to Behavioral optometry article

Today an anon has made several unhelpful edits to Behavioral optometry. they have to do with eating Indian food. Can somebody roll the article back to it's state before these many edits were made? Lou Sander (talk) 17:09, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Done, & IPs warned. For future reference, if you go to the article history and show the difference between the last good version and the current version, you can then use the "Undo" link, and merely add an appropriate edit summary. - David Biddulph (talk) 17:18, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Step-by-step instructions for undoing multiple edits can be found here. -- John of Reading (talk) 17:48, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Inappropriate Images

collapse trolling

In a survey done on over 400 university students, many of them my students, over 80% of Wikipedia users claim the images supplied at the top of the page on all wiki articles is misleading. To look up George Washington and to get a matching photo of Karthik Nadar is described in the survey as 'obnoxious'. I think Wikipedia needs some sort of editing staff to check for content. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.204.21.91 (talk) 17:13, 5 December 2011 (UTC) George Washington We have thousands of editors, all volunteers, who (mostly) do their utmost to improve Wikipedia. You are one of them. Please feel free to fix things. Wikipedia is amazing because it is entirely edited by volunteers. It would not be what it is, if we had editorial staff.  Chzz  ►  17:21, 5 December 2011 (UTC) P.S. I don't understand what you mean about George Washington? I just looked it up, and the top image of him is a portrait of him (as shown here).  Chzz  ►  17:24, 5 December 2011 (UTC) The complaint appears to be about the fundraising banner, rather than about content. Acroterion (talk) 17:26, 5 December 2011 (UTC) It's trolling. Яehevkor ✉ 17:30, 5 December 2011 (UTC) Indeed. There's no such survey.-- Obsidi♠n Soul 17:37, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Spoken Word

How does a user upload a spoken word version of an already existing wikipedia article? ThanksHigginson21 (talk) 18:16, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

See WP:SPOKEN, in specific Wikipedia:WikiProject Spoken Wikipedia/Recording guidelines and Wikipedia:WikiProject Spoken Wikipedia/Uploading guidelines. Hope that helps. - Purplewowies (talk) 18:50, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

ditetrahydrofurfurylpropane help

Could you ask one of your expert chemists, especially rifleman82 if he would help modify my new entry from today 'ditetrahydrofurylpropane' to make it more consistent with Wikipedia standards. The reference section is duplicative and I do not know how to add a structure to ChemBox.

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by George.kvakovszky (talk • contribs) 19:06, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Ditetrahydrofurylpropane (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

I have posted at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Chemistry, so with any luck some expert chemists will take a look at this article. Meanwhile Purplewowies (talk · contribs) has combined the references for you; see WP:NAMEDREFS for guidance on this. -- John of Reading (talk) 20:44, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

This author has written a few extremely specialized reports based on hyper-specialized references (including to himself). I begged him to read WP:SECONDARY with no response. I recommend that he drop his approach and try to contribute to notable themes sought by our readers. Wikipedia is not a personal stamp album.--Smokefoot (talk) 20:54, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Page for reporting Vandalism has been vandalized

In an effort to clean up an article, I was attempting to report a user for reported vandalism. However, the page at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:AIV, intended to provide instructions for doing so, appears to have been vandalized itself. The page is completely empty and does not provide any instructions for reportinga notehr user. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TowheadJeff (talk • contribs) 21:47, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

If it was, it was for <1 minute. Refresh.  Chzz  ►  21:49, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

This was my misunderstanding. I failed to follow directions. My apologies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TowheadJeff (talk • contribs) 21:54, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

I cannot play any sound in the page

I cannot play any sound from your site. In other sites, I can play sounds fine. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.122.6.86 (talk) 22:35, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

You need a program on your computer that can play Ogg files. I don't know which programs work with Wikipedia, though. - Purplewowies (talk) 22:43, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

See WP:OGG. - Purplewowies (talk) 22:45, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Is the old article available for research

At some point the article Algemeen Beschaafd Nederlands was redirected into the article Dutch language. There is no mention of ABN or AN in the Dutch article. Is it possible to see the article, as it was, before it was redirected? Thanks. Buster Seven Talk 23:31, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Aside from the fact that I would like to see the original article, I think the redirect should have been to Dutch Language Union. That would have been and IS a better fit.Buster Seven Talk 23:40, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Clicking on this link – Algemeen Beschaafd Nederlands – will get you to the redirect page. Or click on Algemeen Beschaafd Nederlands and at the top of the article where it says "redirected from Algemeen Beschaafd Nederlands", click on there. Then click on the "history" tab, and select a version of the article that predates the redirect, such as this one. If you want to change the redirect target, you can either raise it at Talk:Dutch language to see whether anyone has any views, or be bold and do it yourself (as long as you're prepared to discuss it if anyone objects). Bencherlite^Talk 23:50, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

 Done Thanks! Buster Seven Talk 00:26, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

December 6

IP Address Fraud?

Please help someone is using my IP Address to make unsolicited and non-constructive changes to Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.106.141.46 (talk) 01:52, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

You do not own an IP address. Your Internet Service Provider will often change the IP address that is assigned to you. If you want to take more responsibility for your edits, create a free account. -- kainaw™ 02:12, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Your ISP might allocate any address between 58.104.0.1 and 58.111.255.254 to you; if you restart your router you could get pretty much any IP address in this range. As Kainaw says, the best way to make sure your edits are your edits is to create an account. Having said that. the last edit from 'your' IP was this in January 2011, so what is your specific problem? Tonywalton ^Talk 02:32, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

The original poster might have got another IP already before posting. - Tanner Lin 09:31, 6 December 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tanner Lin (talk • contribs)

Indic font rendering w Chrome

Would s.o. mind taking a look at the question at Help_talk:Multilingual_support_(Indic)#what's_up_with_Google_Chrome? — kwami (talk) 05:15, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

How do you edit a Reference in an article.

I am the Webmaster of a site listed in the Reference section of an article. Actually, the site referrenced is no longer active and the reference is via The Wayback Machine circa 2007. The site was renamed that year and now has the same webpage with new and more complete information than the one that is on Wayback. I was going to change the URL in the Reference section but I have been unable to. I would like to know how to do that.TZMC (talk) 06:12, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

The short answer is to look at Help:Footnotes. It's difficult to say more than that without more specifics. Could you mention the article name and the URL at issue? Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 07:04, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

When you are reading an article and see a references section near the bottom populated by a series of numbered citations, you might think that if you edit the page, you will see those citations typed in that section and be able to edit them. However, normally what you will see is code similar to this:

     ==References==

   {{Reflist}} or </references>

The text of citations is actually in the body of the article, directly next to statements or paragraphs the citations support, using <ref>(citation)</ref> tags, which display as footnotes (e.g.^[1][2]) when you are reading an article. The template code shown above in the references section colates and displays all of the citations within the article in a numbered list in which the numbers correspond to the footnote numbers in the text. By clicking on the ^ symbol next to a citation display, you can easily find exactly where in the body of the article the citation text appears in order to edit it. For more, please see Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:05, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

What template to use to cite an entire magazine issue?

I tried to use Template:Cite journal, leaving out the article name, but that caused some weird italics issues (italicizing date and URL instead of magazine title) and just looked generally screwed up how the template rendered it (footnote 21 in this diff). I was wondering if there was another template I could use (or a way to get that template to work correctly) so that I can cite the entire magazine in a way that matches the other refs in the article. Thanks. - Purplewowies (talk) 07:48, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure if this is the reason but you did happen to not close the italics markup: magazine =''People: Special Collector's Edition. You forgot the two apostrophes after the word Edition. Dismas|^(talk) 08:23, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

The italics problem was probably my fault. I was copying various parts of the previous MLA format reference into the template, and I guess I accidentally copied the italics from the front end of the title. Oops. - Purplewowies (talk) 21:34, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

How about re-arranging the {{Citation}} parameters

{{Citation | title =''People: Special Collector's Edition'' | date = May 2009 | url = http://www.people.com/people/archive/issue/0,,7566090520,00.html}}

People: Special Collector's Edition, May 2009

which at least hides the ugly URL? -- John of Reading (talk) 08:24, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Use {{cite encyclopedia}}, which is for any edited collection:

• People: Special Collector's Edition. May 20, 2009 http://www.people.com/people/archive/issue/0,,7566090520,00.html. {{cite encyclopedia}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)

---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 08:40, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

or {{Citation |month = May |year=2009 | url = http://www.people.com/people/archive/issue/0,,7566090520,00.html |title=Dylan & Cole : Zack & Cody |magazine=People |issue=Special Collector's Edition}}

which renders as follows: "Dylan & Cole : Zack & Cody", People, no. Special Collector's Edition, 2009 {{citation}}: Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help)

or {{cite magazine}} (which reditects to {{cite journal}}) instead of {{Citation}}, rendering as follows:

"Dylan & Cole : Zack & Cody". People. No. Special Collector's Edition. 2009. {{cite magazine}}: Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help)

(I note that the article currently mixes the {{Citation}} template with {{Cite xxx}} templates.) Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 09:08, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

They're all {{Cite xxx}} now. I didn't realize they were both being used (even though I was the one who added them). I also didn't know they weren't supposed to be used together, so I wouldn't have changed them if you hadn't brought that up.

On which citation template to use, I hadn't even thought of using {{cite journal}} and using the magazine subject/title itself as the article. I think that's the one I'll use. (I was expecting an answer like the {{Cite encyclopedia}} example, but I'm a bit reluctant to use that one since it says it's not for magazines and that {{cite journal}} should be used instead). Thanks to everyone who helped! :) - Purplewowies (talk) 21:34, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

disambiguating word for electronic 'bands'?

What is the accepting disambiguating word for a group of electronic musicians? I am referring to, amongst others, Truth (Dubstep Artist). Truth (band) does not seem appropriate and I am struggling to think of another way round it. doomgaze (talk) 10:22, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

What about Truth (musical ensemble) (see Musical ensemble). Just an idea, I am not too familiar with the terminology though. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 10:34, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Hmm the article seems to suggest that an ensemble is one that is able to perform live music, which doesn't work for this situation. I'm stumped. doomgaze (talk) 22:43, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

You could use a general disambiguating term, such as Truth (musicians). Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 23:06, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Link to my site was removed from Wiki Article

I noticed earlier today that I started getting traffic from Wiki's page for The Roots' new album "Undun". I went there and found that my review of their album on my site had been placed there. I was kinda excited about that as that had never happened and I had no idea how to even go about that.

Not sure who put it on there, but I was appreciative. Then I noticed later on in the evening when I went there again to look up some info on the album, that the link was no longer there. It was in that little box that had the various reviews (metacritic, rolling stone, etc) and a link in the sources at the bottom. Now it's gone, and I was just wondering whether or not that was a mistake that it was removed and if not, what the reasoning behind removing it.

I'm not furious or anything like that, was just genuinely interested as it's a bit confusing for me.

Thank you for your time, and hope to hear from you.

For reference below I have linked to the wiki page as well as my review that was linked there earlier.

Gary Anderson www.searchingforchetbaker.com

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Undun

http://www.searchingforchetbaker.com/2011/12/review-roots-undun.html 67.185.33.67 (talk) 10:40, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Hi Gary. The review was removed in this edit by Dan56 (talk · contribs); as he didn't explain why he was doing what he was doing in his edit summary, I'll ask him whether he can explain here instead. I don't edit music / album articles, so I don't know what the accepted practice is for choosing which reviews to use, but it might be that blog-type reviews aren't favoured as much as reviews in magazines / newspapers / established online sites. Bencherlite^Talk 10:48, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia has guidelines on reliable sources, self published sources (i.e. blogs) and external links. Sites such as the above are not permitted as they are self published (anyone can resister a blogspot account write what they want in a blog) and are subject to no editorial control. Яehevkor ✉ 10:57, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Hi. I was dealing with a mess of vandalism through that article that included removal of professional reviews and addition of reviews such as this, so I did not explain my overall edit. Same sentiment as the comment above this one, and WP:Albums guidelines/policies, at least some of them, should be reviewed before making edits to them: Review sites or WP:Albums/Article body ("When choosing which reviews to include, consider the notability of the review source and keeping a neutral point of view"). Dan56 (talk) 20:48, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Catholic youth associations of French Algeria

Hello everybody!

Currently, the harv template is not functioning properly, regarding this specific article, given that syntax appears to be slightly different as what seems to be specifically relating to en.wp.

Is there an expert regarding this specific topic who would kindly have a look at this issue and see how it could be solved?

Thank you so much in advance!

Kindest regards!

euphonie ^breviary
11:00, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

I believe my edit has fixed it; you can now jump to the "Further Reading" section by clicking on any of the "Fatès 2004" links in the references. -- John of Reading (talk) 11:15, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Hello, John of Reading!

Great! It works perfectly fine now.

Thank you for your help!

Best wishes!

euphonie ^breviary

13:23, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

submitting article from Sandbox

I think I did something wrong and need guidance. I am a new editor intent on writing many articles on the countryside and history of France. I wrote the article Roman Villas in Northwestern Gaul in my sandbox and thought I moved it to request for permanent status at the same time that I looked for a request for review template. I never found a way to submit it and now it appears to be of permanent status. I have submitted previous article from my userpage Chateau de la Motte, Joue du Plain, and it worked fine as far as I can tell, although I have not received any acceptance notice. Are these articles accepted? and if so then in the future what should route should I take on shorter articles I anticipate writing? thank you in advance for any guidance.Mlane (talk) 13:42, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

There is no formal "acceptance" or "submission" process. Users are encouraged to create articles in a sandbox first, so that they can be worked on over time without fear of speedy deletion, but that is not mandatory. So your articles are now in mainspace and look pretty good. There is a little copyediting required and I will take a look in a moment. – ukexpat (talk) 14:37, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

This move is where you moved the article from your sandbox to mainspace. Unless there is something wrong with an article, that is all you need to do. (If someone had thought the article was inappropriate and should be deleted, they would notify you on your user talk page.) There is also a Wikipedia:Article wizard process: I have never used it but I understand that as a last step it submits draft articles for review at Wikipedia:Articles for creation. Even then (if I understand correctly) you are notified only if the article needs work; successful submissions are simply moved to main space. —teb728 t c 01:36, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Help with a parserfunction/Magic Word

Do we have a system variable / Magic Word / parserfunction that returns the size, in bytes, of a particular page? Something like {{PAGESINCAT}} or the like? I can't seem to find anything that would work. I have pagecounts on my userpage of various categories of article (Speedy Deletion candidates, mostly), and I'd like to replace the mostly unused Category:Articles for deletion using wrong syntax with the quite useful User:Snotbot/AfD report. But the bot report isn't category, nor does it place articles listed into a category - so I'd put the byte count (and subtract 183, that being the size when no articles are listed). Anything non-zero indicates that the bot report found a malformed or mis-closed AFD. Is there a way to make this work? UltraExactZZ ^Said ~ Did 14:53, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Yes, {{PAGESIZE:Wikipedia:Help desk}} displays as 100,638. See Help:Magic words. -- John of Reading (talk) 15:12, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Embarassingly, I had - and skimmed right past it. Thanks! UltraExactZZ ^Said ~ Did 15:18, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Another "Request for feedback" (should be quick i think!)

I created a draft for Unicoi Systems, a company in Cumming, GA: draft of "Unicoi Systems". Currently, only Dirk Beetstra and myself have worked on it. My biggest concern is notability. Dtate888 (talk) 16:36, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I just see how it meets WP:CORP, our standards for notability of companies. Recognition by local groups like TAG don't add up to notability as we measure it. --Orange Mike | Talk 16:42, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for looking into it. But I guess I'll keep the page in case the notability increases sometime in the future. Dtate888 (talk) 17:01, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Help with templates

All the pages here (the ones about projection) all have Template:Views on them, which has File:Example.jpg on it. I got my bot to revert this but they all seem to still have it on somewhere, and I can't work out where, but they stay on the WhatLinksHere. Any suggestions? Rcsprinter123 (rap) 16:45, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

The results from "WhatLinksHere" are not necessarily up to date; those articles will disappear from the list eventually when the servers catch up. If you wish, you can make it happen sooner with a null edit on each of those articles. -- John of Reading (talk) 16:59, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Upload Company Logo?

My account is less than 4 days old and I am wanting to add a company logo to my first page I am attempting to wikify, any help would be appreciated. The subject is "PretoSkills Alliance" Thanks in advance and I look forward to many more edits! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Limerick1988 (talk • contribs) 16:46, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

What does the logo look like? In order to add the logo to PetroSkills Alliance it has to be uploaded first. However, it is necessary to determine the copyright status of the image. Can you perhaps point to a website, where the logo can be seen? It is important to know, whether the logo is just a simple text logo or if it contains more complex shapes. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 17:14, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

www.petroskills.com it is in the top left of the page, thanks!

(Limerick1988 (talk) 20:50, 6 December 2011 (UTC))

Request for help with new article

I'd appreciate if someone would please review GlowCode, provide any feedback, and remove the "New unreviewed article tag." GlowCode is a performance analysis tool, aka "profiler," used by software engineers, programmers. (Previously, there had been a link to GlowCode on the following page: List of performance analysis tools, but the GlowCode page itself had no content.) Thank you! Esigc (talk) 17:28, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Worlds Biggest Liar Competition, 2011.

Sir, I would just like to point out that the current Worlds Biggest Liar is no longer Paul Burrows but Glen Boylan from Maryport who won the Competition in November, you can get information on the winner by going onto the Times and Star website. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.131.122.61 (talk) 17:23, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

If you like, and if you have a source for that, you can go to World's Biggest Liar and add the information yourself. Or some kind editor can track it down for you. UltraExactZZ ^Said ~ Did 17:48, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

I have updated the article. Though there seems to be two versions of the winning story... one involving a snail race and another involving a mayonnaise and peanut butter sandwich. The only thing they have in common is Prince Charles. :D -- Obsidi♠n Soul 18:27, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Something weird

Can anyone have a look at Portal:Fashion please, the image on the right I'm seeing has something to do with Gandhi, Nehru and Jinnah and Indo-Pakistani peace, but when I click on the Image, I get this. I don't know if this is intentional (:|) or whatever. Lynch7 17:54, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

It was supposed to be the image of the lady, but someone had uploaded a different picture over the same filename; it was undone, but the thumbnail version didn't update (for some reason). I've now forced it to update (by changing the picture size from 200px to 199px), and I think it is OK.  Chzz  ►  17:57, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

... and I've done the same at History of fashion design which had suffered from the same problem. - David Biddulph (talk) 18:02, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks guys :) Lynch7 18:15, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Information to Improve Stubs

My deceased step father is the subject of several different Wikipedia stubs. My family has lots of information on the man and his work. However, there seems no way to add information to "improve the stub", since the added information would have no verifiable citation. Any way around this problem? It seems silly to add information, only to have it removed as unverifiable. Sidewise (talk) 19:38, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Verfiability is one of the cornerstones of Wikipedia. As a tertiary source, Wikipedia in essence collates material from other verifiable sources. If you can get the information that you have published somewhere, perhaps by donating it to a library or museum, we may be able to make use of it. – ukexpat (talk) 19:47, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Adding a 'Reference'?

Hello,

I am not by any means an expert on I.T., I was shown how to use a computer by one of my Sons, who is very far away and very busy.

The questions I wanted to ask were:

How do I add a reference to a page?

The info I wanted to add is as follows:

I was in Band as a teenager, one of the first 'Rock and Roll' Bands, it was back in the '60's', I was with the band for three years, but then left due to several differences. Later on, I met someone with an unsigned Band who later became famous, I told Him about my experiences with the Band and that I had one or two friends in the buisiness and might be able to help get them a recording contract as I thought the Band was really great and had 'original' material. They got signed and the second record they made, was the name of my Band and it became a 'Hit', their first 'Hit' and still the favorite with their fans, who don't know anything about me or the connection to the Band I was in.

Could I add a reference to the Band I was in an an explanation, plus mention the songs which have my name in?

There is a page on the famous Band, whose Singer I met before they were signed, before they used the name of the Band I was in for a single that became a 'Hit'.

Brasstapewound

I can 'verify' this information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brasstapewound (talk • contribs) 20:17, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Welcome to wikipedia Brasstapewound. Wikipedia verifies information from published, reliable, secondary sources. We don't verify material from personal correspondence or life experience, as these aren't available in a fixed form for inspection, they're not reviewed through an editorial system for correctness, and they're too closely related to the topic to avoid fundamental biases. Have you considered being interviewed by a music journalist or social historian of rock who may be interested in your information, and may eventually publish it? Wikipedia could rely on that publication for the fact, as a publication in a recognised, edited music newspaper or magazine would be reliable. Fifelfoo (talk) 20:24, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Hello Fifelfoo, the Band I was in was an R.A.F./Army Band, who did get world famous and after I left, didn't get offered any more contracts, as being a Woman Rock Guitarist at the time, (1963-5,) was quite unusual. There will be records of that Band, because most of the Band were R.A.F. or Army, so both the R.A.F and the Army will hold records. Lots of people who know me have suggested I write a book or add the information to Wikepedea, but I don't kow any 'Rock Historians', perhaps you could suggest one?

So let me get this straight, you say unless there was some kind of 'Publication' about me, anyone can say they are me or were in the Band I was in or call themselves by that name or call their Band the same name and claim the 'Copyright' , ( does that mean a 'COPY'?) Anyone can call their new song by the name of the Band I was in and again claim the 'Copyright'!? I used to wear my hair in a 'Buffount', but now apperently it was an original style by another Woman? (who is now deceased.)

So anything written in the 'Wikepedea' is now Gospel? Strange there is NO mention of me on the Band's page, which is now owned by the people who have claimed 'Copyright'? The 'Star' died, much of His Music mentions MY name, but the 'Copyright' is owned by people who don't even know who I am!!!!

"May EVENTUALLY puplish it"???? I am 63, I do not want to go looking for Historians or Publishers, I do NOT need or want 'Fame', I was urged to attempt to let the truth be known, I tried.

So much for the TRUTH! 'History' is written by the winners of WAR, the losers get nothing! 'Wikipedea' is quite obviously no exception!

The BrassTapewound strings were called "____ ____" They were mine.

Brasstapewound (talk) 22:31, 6 December 2011 (UTC)--Brasstapewound (talk) 22:31, 6 December 2011 (UTC) Brasstapewound

Yes, this is unfortunately the way that things go. You could try writing a memoir and seek to get your notes, papers, and memoir deposited in a social history archive, and hope after you're dead that someone will write it up reliably. We rely on reliability, not truth. If you notice uncited material on wikipedia that you believe to be wrong, you can remove it; but, please also post to the article's Talk: page explaining why you removed the content. But you can't add material that cannot be proved from publication to be correct. Many of the publications open to publishing material from members of the public don't meet wikipedia's reliability criteria. If you contact Universities local to you, it may be possible to find a sympathetic historian. Additionally, the historians and archivists associated with the British military may have some interest in your material. Fifelfoo (talk) 03:14, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

New editors need feedback

Hey guys. I feel bad about being here because this is not the route by means of which I ought to be going for this kind of help, but I am over my head and need some assistance. Wikipedia:Requests for feedback directs here, by the way. There is a campus ambassador program on Wikipedia wherein university professors have their students edit articles as part of the classwork. I think this is a great way to introduce people to editing Wikipedia, but there are some problems with this new program.

Right now the problem I am facing is that I have a class which made articles and they are saying that they want a little more community review. I would appreciate anyone going to any of their articles and giving feedback on what should be changed - lots of short comments from different people would be great.

For the long term, if anyone has any ideas about how to get support for new users then please join/start conversations on the campus ambassador boards. I have a more full explanation here - User:Bluerasberry/jumpqueue. Thanks for any attention you can give. Blue Rasberry (talk) 20:29, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Lack of citation sources

I contributed an article some time ago about a software product that was historically important in a particular technological area. The product is long dead but the architecture was sufficiently different that it influenced the industry. There is now a note on that site that says it needs citations. Unfortunately, being a dead commercial product means there is little that can be cited in the public domain. As the software architect for the organisation from 1987-2002, my knowledge is reliable. However, even though I tried to write an objective report, I understand that I cannot cite myself as a reliable source. Is that true? How should I proceed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tonyproctor (talk • contribs) 20:43, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

I am afraid that personal knowledge is not sufficient as it is not verifiable. Note that sources do not have to be online: articles in print magazines etc if they exist can be used as sources, preferably using the appropriate {{Cite}} template. – ukexpat (talk) 20:50, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Unable to access articles

Repeated attempts to view references under 'right to petition' resulted in (1) first a message that my search had 'timed out'-- I don't know what this means or how to respond to it; (2) nest my browser was taken over by an unidentifiable site that kept duplicating itself and would not respond to 'X' close, finally had to shut down my browser to stop it; (3) finally I reopened my browser at the last page viewed and got the message: 'error has occurred, pls try again later'. I did try again with a new search and got the same 'error' message. It feels like I am being denied access to these articles, which can't be, right? Please advise. Thanks. scate39 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scate39 (talk • contribs) 21:38, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry you had this trouble. Can you tell us the name or URL of the Wikipedia article that you were looking at, and the footnote number that had this unhelpful link? -- John of Reading (talk) 21:42, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for answering. My initial search was "Right to Petition". Sorry, I didn't get the heading etc, but the article was exactly what I was looking for. The references I was trying to access were (1) 'S.1 An omnibus 'ethics reform bill' that contained a provision Section 220 to establish federal regulations for the first time of certain efforts to encourage grassroots lobbying, ie, voluntary efforts of members of the general public', and (2) Section 220. A few minutes ago I tried once more with a new in to Wikipedia and a change in search to 'Constitutional Right to Petition' and got to Honest Leadership and Open Govt Act of 2007' but no lead from that to Section 220. I want to see what efforts Congress has made to legislate control over our right to petition. Many thanks. scate39 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scate39 (talk • contribs) 23:16, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

The link in footnote 3 of Right to petition is faulty: whoever added the reference must have done a search, and then just pasted the URL into Wikipedia without realising that the URL was not a permanent link to the resource they had found, but a link to the particular search they were doing which found the resource. But the particular site (http://thomas.loc.gov) doesn't keep searches forever, and has expired that particular search. You can search for it again among the 110th congress bills at http://thomas.loc.gov/home/LegislativeData.php?&n=BillText&c=110, but I don't see a way to create a permanent URL for it. --ColinFine (talk) 00:26, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Article that I edited has disappeared

Its title is not showing with the various contributions. It is an article about Henry Landau 1892 - 1968, British spy. I have checked the deleted log and it does not come up there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wlzabi (talk • contribs) 22:24, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

You have an incomplete draft about Henry Landau at User:Wlzabi/Enter your new article name here. -- John of Reading (talk) 22:28, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

How to load profile picture in Wikipedia?

Hi,

How to load profile picture in Wikipedia? Can you please help me in this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abhilash.sai (talk • contribs) 23:54, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean by a "profile picture". Can you explain more about what you are having trouble with? --Jayron32 23:55, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

I am trying upload a free-licence picture in wiki page. How to do that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abhilash.sai (talk • contribs) 00:05, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

I also want to be an official editor. Can you help me?--Abhilash.sai (talk) 00:15, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, so it has articles, not profiles. To upload pictures to be used in articles, see WP:Image tutorial.

I don't know what you mean by an official editor. Anybody can be an editor, just by editing. Please read the links that somebody has put on your talk page. --ColinFine (talk) 00:33, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

(edit conflict) There are no official editors. The list of official editors is the entire population of the world. You became one when you were born. As far as uploading images for use in encyclopedia articles, see Help:Files. --Jayron32 00:36, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Maybe by "official editor" they mean an autoconfirmed editor? Dismas|^(talk) 00:39, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Unlikely. The OP has been here since 2008, and has a few hundred edits. They've been autoconfirmed for a while. --Jayron32 00:46, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Perhaps they mean an administrator? - Purplewowies (talk) 00:54, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Dismas is right. Maybe since i am new to this editing work in Wikipedia, i am trying find out how Wikipedia works. But also i have seen some users who are Authors?? --Abhilash.sai (talk) 00:54, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Maybe Purplewowies is more right. I always been an Admin where ever i worked--Abhilash.sai (talk) 01:00, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Information on Administrators at Wikipedia can be found at WP:ADMIN. --Jayron32 04:12, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

December 7

Donation by mail

I want to donate to Wikipedia through mail because I don't prefer using a credit card.Is there a way to donate to Wikipedia through mail ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by John aziz57 (talk • contribs) 03:10, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Yes, see here. Dismas|^(talk) 03:22, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Template:CSD-warn

Since I'm worthless for template coding, would someone kindly figure out what's wrong with this? The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 03:31, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

It seems to be in working order, make sure you subst: it. Is there a particular circumstance where it doesn't appear to be working? Monty₈₄₅ 03:36, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I forgot to subst it, sorry for being a dope. But while I'm here, I might as well ask why it has Template:Sub st: at the top of it. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 03:55, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

It is so that the additional uses of subst: in the template wait until the template is used before being substituted. There are <noinclude> tags that cause {{Sub_st:more markup}} to become {{Subst:more markup}} when someone transcludes the template. Unfortunately, there isn't a very good way to have the template display automatically on its own page as a result.Monty₈₄₅ 04:01, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Ah. No wonder I can never figure out the template system here; credit to all of you who work on them. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 04:14, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Confusion with "This sandbox has been placed in the article namespace. Move this page into your userspace."

I have just moved an article ("SEMF Pty Ltd") from my sandbox to Wikipedia. Now it has this in bold red at the top: "This sandbox has been placed in the article namespace. Move this page into your userspace." Under what circumstances should i move the page to my userspace? What should I do to get rid of this message and make sure the article is viewable to the public? Thanks. User:Wendyann83 Wendyann83 (talk) 04:11, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

While not directly responsive to your question, I think you should be alerted to the Notability Guidelines for companies. To be notable, a topic must have received substantive coverage by multiple independent reliable sources. Currently, the only references in the article are to the company website, and the external links don't solve the problem. The article also reads a bit like an advertisement, designed to promote the company, rather then a neutral encyclopedic coverage of the topic. If not corrected, either of these problems could result in the article being deleted. In response to your specific question, to remove that, delete the line that says {{User sandbox}}. If you want more time to work on the article without a risk that someone will start a deletion process against it, you can just move it back to your userspace. Monty₈₄₅ 04:25, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your help and advice. I have passed on your good advice to my client. Wendyann83 (talk) 05:45, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

If you are talking about "clients" in the context of editing Wikipedia, you will save yourself a great deal of frustration, and probably some work, by reading WP:COI and WP:CORPFAQ before you do any further editing. --ColinFine (talk) 08:22, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

I have reworded the {{User sandbox}} error message to avoid this confusion. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:41, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

WIKI BOOKS

i was creating a book on wiki book creator and it was almost done yesterday but to day its completly gone i dont know where to retrive my old book from plzz... help i cant create it once again ...:( — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.164.130.130 (talk) 07:07, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Only users with accounts can save a book (see WP:Books#Saving and sharing your book with others). Creating an account is free and has other benefits. --ColinFine (talk) 08:26, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry that this isn't made clearer when you start to create a book; I've begun a discussion about this here. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:30, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Appeal link does not work

I feel sure this has been raised before, but I couldn't find it in a quick search of the help desk archives. The "personal appeal" link on the home page does not work for me at all. When I hover over it, the link appears active, but the URL shown at the foot of the page is just "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page#". Then when I click the link, nothing happens – I remain on the home page. I suspect this may be a browser issue – I'm using IE7. Many thanks, --Viennese Waltz 08:44, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

I have copied your message to the Wikimedia website, where you may get better answers: please see meta:Talk:Fundraising_2011#Appeal link does not work.

You could also contact the fund-raising team by email, problemsdonating@wikimedia.org

 Chzz  ►  08:49, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

It was reported at Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2011 December 4#Link at top of the page asking for donations (currently transcluded above at #Link at top of the page asking for donations). The user gave no feedback to replies so the cause was not determined. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:33, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Footnote 1 in Mongol invasion of Europe

Hello. Can anyone have a look at the first ref of this article? The wikicode using <ref name="Sourcesvary" /> looks correct to me. Thank you, Comte0 (talk) 08:45, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

The infobox assigns strength1 twice. Sourcesvary is defined the first time but the second time overrides the first which is discarded. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:25, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Ah, I see. I've traced the problem to a bot edit. Weird. I'm moving the question to WT:MILHIST in the hope they know how to deal with that complicated template. Thank you, Comte0 (talk) 11:45, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

I mean that the code in Mongol invasion of Europe assigns twice to strength1. A parameter should only be assigned once when a template is used. The solution is simply to edit the article and remove one of the assignments, possibly merging content from the other. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:09, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Donating to Wikipedia from Nigeria

Hi. I am a reader based in Nigeria and I am interested in donating to Wikipedia. I checked the page where a debit card can be used, but found that Nigeria is not listed in the dropdown list. What other options are available for me to use?

134.146.0.43 (talk) 10:39, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

In the green panel on the right of foundation:Fundraising, there are links including Other ways to give. - David Biddulph (talk) 11:01, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Contribution to Wikipedia

Hello All,

My name is (Redacted), I am Indian by nationality living in Abu Dhabi, UAE. I have great respect for Wikipedia for the wonderful things you are doing to the human kind. We are from an Age where to reach the Information required is quite a struggle and it required a lot of effort to share the information across. It is so joy to see how the information is coming in front of us. In the generation of "Time is money" and "information is wealth" the contribution done by you all is priceless.

From my heart I want to be a part of your team and serve the cause with all my interest and strength. I am currently handling the Application Support for a Well reputed Finance company in the Middle East.I lead a team of 20 members, we take care of the database performance, availability of the sites, handling the application errors, Monitoring the resources and handle the tasks which our application cannot serve. I am confident that with my experience I can be a good player in your wonderful team and can live with pride.

I have a Masters degree in Computer Applications from University of Madras, 2005. and possess IT experience of around 6 years. I am passionate about photogaphy and spend my free time for it.

P.S I am married to a Moldovan National and am of father of a 3 months baby girl. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sundergaru (talk • contribs) 10:59, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia is run by the Wikimedia Foundation. Current job openings at the Foundation are listed here. Good luck. --Viennese Waltz 11:16, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Very short subsections

What is the minimal length a subsection (ie one under a level 3 heading) can / should have? The specific problem is, that I want to split Wieferich prime#Other properties into two subsections, since the way it currently is it looks too much like kind of a trivia section in my opinion. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 11:34, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

• There is no minimum length. If the two points in the section are distinct and both notable, then by all means have separate headings. For me, I would prefer it if the second point started with a full sentence of prose before you go into the formulas. Tigerboy1966 (talk) 11:49, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Done. Thanks. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 12:00, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

administrator's help is required for the "carl hirschmann" articles

despite all links and references we have two individuals who repetedly modified and then blocked the page without taking into consideration fact and links references for the article Carl Hirschmann. Please look at the facts and corretc. thks --Bioplus (talk) 12:29, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

The material added by Bioplus was suppressed as personal information. He has been indefinitely blocked for violations of Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons. This disclosure is made for information purposes only. User:Fred Bauder Talk 12:53, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Suitability of historical background in a novel as a subject for a Wiki article

We would like to create a Wiki article that discusses the historical background, and approach to writing, of a recently published historical novel. As the novel is self-published, we have searched the Wiki FAQ and read about Wikipedia's policy regarding such works as the subject for articles.

We have found a handful of novels, such as Shogun, Eragon, Elfquest, and others, that have Wiki articles. In particular, Shogun - while not self-published - discusses the historical basis for the story and characters, and seems a suitable model. Otherwise, we find that the majority of self-published novels have some additional merit, such as having been picked up by a major publisher, or making the best-seller lists, or having been made into a film; in a word, they have some maturity.

So we are wondering if our approach, that of discussing historical sources, issues of that day as they pertain to the events of the novel, and the representation of historical information as it is depicted in the novel, is sufficient to merit a place in Wikipedia.

Thank you, JamesLande (talk) 15:07, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

A self-published book is unlikely to meet the notability guidelines for books. In that event, the "background" stuff is unlikely to be notable either. – ukexpat (talk) 15:17, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

If, by any chance, you are to here to promote this book then you should also look through the Wikipedia guidelines on advertising and conflict of interest. -- John of Reading (talk) 15:18, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Yes, as stated above, the short answer is no, I'd assume, unless the relationship between the material in question and the novel is itself discussed in published reliable sources, which seems unlikely - and then probably only if the novel meets the Wikipedia:Notability (books) guideline. Articles are supposed to be based on published sources, and not on the original research of contributors, which seems to be what you are suggesting here. Two questions though: what novel are you referring to, and are you by any chance connected with the author - if you are, you need to read our policy regarding conflicts of interest too. AndyTheGrump (talk) 15:20, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

The worst thing would be to spend a long time working on this and then get it deleted. Unless the novel has received attention from reliable sources that is what might happen. If it has only recently been published it would be wise to wait a while for it to receive sufficient coverage. Tigerboy1966 (talk) 15:21, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

i want to request you

that you should add urdu language,,so that all users from Pakistan can get maximum benefits..we will be very thankful if you add URDU.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.186.48.16 (talk) 16:08, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Click here to jump to the Urdu Wikipedia. -- John of Reading (talk) 16:18, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

my user name appearing on the top of my sports Bio with wikipedia

could you please help me removing my user name from the top of my wikipedia sports article (bio) that appears everytime someone goggles my name.