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Please do not remove this invisible timestamp. See WT:ERRORS and WP:SUBSCRIBE. - Dank (push to talk) 01:24, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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  • More than two hundred people are killed in an Islamic militant attack in Barsalogho Department, Burkina Faso should probably be changed to More than two hundred people are killed in an Islamist militant attack in Barsalogho Department, Burkina Faso, without the emphasis of course. wound theology◈ 07:06, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    "Islamist" and "Islamic" have the same meaning so what's the difference? Andrew🐉(talk) 10:05, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    No, they do not have the same meaning. wound theology◈ 13:57, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Andrew Davidson: Indeed they do not: Islamism § Relationship between Islam and Islamism. Or, from elsewhere: [1] vs [2]. Bazza 7 (talk) 14:27, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    We're talking here about the words "islamic" and "islamist" used as adjectives. Per the OED, which is a reliable source:
  • Islamic adjective – Of, relating to, or characteristic of Islam; Muslim; conforming with Muslim practice or tradition. Of a political party, etc.: advocating a society ordered according to Muslim principles.
  • Islamist adjective – 1. Of or relating to Islam or Muslims; Islamic, Muslim. 2. Of or relating to Islamic fundamentalism or Islamic fundamentalists; that advocates or supports increasing the influence of Islamic law in politics and society.
There's no significant difference between these. As for that Wikipedia page, that's not a reliable source and is no doubt full of disputation as Islam has numerous sects and schisms. The attacking force seems to have been from the Jama'at Nasr al-Islam wal-Muslimin (Support Group for Islam and Muslims) so we should specify them if we want to be exact. Andrew🐉(talk) 15:19, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The "Islamic fundamentalism" part of definition 2 for "Islamist", and which is not part of the definition for "Islamic", is a compelling reason to amend the blurb, in my opinion. The words do have different connotations. — RAVENPVFF · talk · 19:29, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, the word "islamic" has the equivalent connotation, "Of a political party, etc.: advocating a society ordered according to Muslim principles." So far as I can tell the -ist form is an attempt to stigmatise people as bad Muslims rather than good Muslims. It's not a NPOV. Andrew🐉(talk) 21:02, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • 10th-straight time it was won by South Korea: "tenth consecutive victory by South Korea in this event" is a better way to phrase this. Also it's possibly worth clarifying that this hook refers to the 2024 Olympics. — RAVENPVFF · talk · 19:18, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
     Done, thanks. This is not overlong, but some brevity would be better. How about:

    ... that Nam Su-hyeon, Jeon Hun-young, and Lim Si-hyeon's gold medal in the women's team archery event at the 2024 Olympics marked South Korea's tenth victory in a row?

    Checking in with @Grnrchst and BeanieFan11. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:32, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ugly yellow donation banner when I'm logged out!

Omg! There's an ugly yellow banner at the top of the screen when I'm logged out! Kill it!--Lerdthenerd wiki defender 17:03, 10 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It's pestering you to donate, obviously. --85.210.97.62 (talk) 18:53, 10 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It's been there for quite a while, actually. If you want to make a proposal, though, Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals) is the place to make it. – Philosopher Let us reason together. 04:05, 11 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Don't log out? Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 07:48, 11 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Just for a change...

I'd like to praise the geographic coverage of ITN. Right now we have stories which relate to India, Mali, Ghana, Romania, Qatar and Egypt. There are two further indirect references to Japan and Tanzania, whilst Recent Deaths currently list a Bangladeshi, Mexican-American and Briton. Good going. Modest Genius talk 23:59, 12 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, but remember that just like times when there are five articles about British events or something like that, it is not through design. If you'd like to keep it the way it is, with a wide representation, it is incumbent upon you to take an active role in improving articles which deal with a wide variety of geographic areas, and to nominate those articles at ITN. ITN can only work with the raw material (in the form of quality articles) that it is provided. --Jayron32 03:09, 13 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Err, yes, of course. You do realise that I have over 1500 edits to ITN/C alone, and have made dozens of nominations? I'm not new to ITN, or unaware of how it works. Was just trying to encourage the good work that's being done there at present. Modest Genius talk 11:50, 13 December 2012 (UTC) [reply]

'Pleased of Tunbridge Wells'?

People do tend to comment when there is 'an excess of a particular topic' (on one day or over several days) - but not when 'the balance is reasonable/there is nothing that particularly irks them' (much as 'XX had a pleasant day' is not news but 'YY was chased by a sheep' is). Jackiespeel (talk) 10:22, 13 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

For god's sake, man, will you please stop trotting out your tired old Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells references every couple of months. If you look in the Talk: Main Page archives, you turn up with the exact same phrase on archive pages 146, 147, 149 (twice), 150 (twice), 151, 152, 154 (twice), 155 (three times), 156, 157 (twice), 164, 165 (twice), 167, 168 and 171. We get the point. It's getting beyond tedious – change the record. 87.114.90.71 (talk) 16:34, 13 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
'Don't shoot the messenger - good messengers are hard to find' (as it says on the Evil Overlord list somewhere). Perhaps if people did something rather than just complained I would use the phrase less (or there were a 'vanilla/totally random' version and a 'non-work-safe/theme-of-the-week' version there would be fewer complaints. Jackiespeel (talk) 13:21, 14 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
All I ask for, messenger, is a little variety in your posts. 87.114.90.71 (talk) 15:44, 14 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
^^^ "Fed Up of Tunbridge Wells".--WaltCip (talk) 17:28, 14 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The intent of the post varies - 'these things happen' or 'topics causing much discussion haven't surfaced on the MP lately.'

What is 'the face looking over the wall' annotated 'Wot! no....' again? Jackiespeel (talk) 16:10, 14 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

On the adequacy of the term "numerous atrocities"

Considering the severe odiousness of the Japanese actions in Nanking during the Second World War and the horrific death toll, I do not believe that the term "numerous atrocities" adequately conveys the seriousness of the event described, and the numbers victimised. 12:34, 13 December 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 221.194.178.22 (talk)

Part of the problem is there is not a widely agreed upon number to put in the blurb, nor is there room in the brief sentence on the main page to itemize each individual atrocity. If someone wants to know all of the details, they can read the article. --Jayron32 14:20, 13 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Atrocity means "an extremely wicked" or "cruel and violent act". Does this not describe the situation in the Rape of Nanking? Numerous means "great in number". Were there not a great number of such atrocities committed? How else would you describe the events (remembering that this is just a blurb to draw interest to the article where more details may be found)? --Khajidha (talk) 17:25, 13 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Show respect to them that Died today

Please put a picture of the Baby Jesus and the Lord's Prayer to show respect to them that got Shot Dead in a school. AmenMomaPraiseUp (talk) 20:10, 14 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

With all due respect, this is an encyclopedia, not a prayer meeting. The baby Jesus will be in the news plenty in two weeks' time, and the Lord's Prayer already has an article. We will report the facts, and permit people the freedom to grieve, or pray, or not, in their own way and time, as they choose. AlexTiefling (talk) 22:55, 14 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Are they even all Christians? What if some of them were Hindus or Muslims or something. It could get really complicated if everyone's deity or deities have to be included. And then what of the atheists? --86.40.198.87 (talk) 02:30, 15 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Elementary school shooting

This news story is breaking in every international news agency in the world and it hasn't been posted on Wikipedia?! How crazy are we?--68.101.71.187 (talk) 20:40, 14 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting GB fan 20:52, 14 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure: not too crazy to know the difference between an encyclopaedia and a breaking news source though. Kevin McE (talk) 20:59, 14 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Well there also the school stabbing. [3] That happened even earlier. Why didn't anybody complain about that craziness? --86.40.198.87 (talk) 22:48, 14 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Chenpeng Village Primary School stabbing if anybody is interested. --86.40.198.87 (talk) 03:34, 15 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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