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Template:Location map I need help

I don't know what I'm doing wrong. I just copied the model of Belgium from the help doc as instructed and put in my own values and it throws errors all over the place. Could it be that the map file I just uploaded to commons hasn't propagated down yet?

I may as well save this to "live" because no-one will be using it yet - I have stuff in my sandbox I don't want to lose - Template:Location map Bantayan

Johnmperry (talk) 15:07, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, whatever it was wrong has gone away. Must have been that propagate thing.

Glad the problem was resolved. —Theopolisme 16:11, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Well it solved itself really. Could have been that I was previewing before I'd ever saved it. Who knows? Johnmperry (talk) 16:15, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

when you create a new location map, the display on the template page won't work until after it is created. once it is created, you then have to open it, make no changes, and hit "save page". this is to refresh the cache of the template. I know it sounds silly, but that's the way it goes. Frietjes (talk) 00:42, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Just wanted to add that the method mentioned by Frietjes works, but I find it faster to have a "purge" link which accomplishes the same thing in one click. To add this just click Preferences, select the Gadgets tab, scroll down to the Appearance section, then select either "Add a 'Purge' tab to the top of the page, which purges the page's cache when followed" or "Add a clock in the personal toolbar that displays the current time in UTC (which also provides a link to purge the current page)". -- Zyxw (talk) 19:43, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

wiki markup?

I always believe in Third Normal Form - I don't want to supply data more than once. So for example how can I use the value I put in infoxbox:islands as elevation_m within a #expr ? Eg Distance to horizon in km = 3.57 * ((elevation_m)^0.5)
Generaly, how do I reference data in a template outside the template, i.e. in the main page (or even, in a related page)?

Johnmperry (talk) 02:23, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Do you mean referring to the same reference more than once in an article? To do this you can use 'name' parameter of the <ref> tags, eg. <ref name="Reference Name">.

So the first reference would look like this: <ref name="Ref1">Reference 1</ref>.

And subsequent references would look like this:<ref name="Ref1" />.

References:

Does this answer your question? See WP:NAMEDREFS for more info. If you still need more help reply here and I will answer. -- Patchy1 03:20, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

You mean I have to explicitly add a <ref> ... </ref> to each field I'm interested in? Like this? - elevation_m = 40 <ref "name=elevation_m"></ref>. When I say reference I mean "use". I just want to pick up the value of elevation_m as defined in the infobox:islands to use in some sort of {#expr:
Johnmperry (talk) 03:30, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

I have given you the answer to a different question, I think I see what you mean now. You want to to be able to put data from the infobox parameters into the article as hotlinks so if you change the infobox value, the info in the article changes automatically, is that what you mean? As far as I know this is not possible, and it is easier to just repeat the information. Although in saying that you shouldn't need to repeat a lot of the information in an article, like elevation, because the whole point of infoboxes is to list that kind of information. -- Patchy1 03:36, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Yes that's what I want to do. It's OK I suppose for fairly static data to be re-entered, such as elevation which isn't likely to change. Something like population though changes at each census or whatever, and it would be a bore to have to go through looking for all occurrences, and also open to error and/or omission. In infobox:settlement it is possible to re-use some info by putting it in brackets - (population) but that is not universal and I think only works inside the box.
:Johnmperry (talk) 04:17, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Being able to re-use infobox parameters within the article text is a great idea, but to my knowledge we don't have such functionality at present. In regard to Patchy1's comment ("shouldn't need to repeat a lot of the information in an article, like elevation, because the whole point of infoboxes is to list that kind of information"), as per Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Infoboxes, the purpose of an infobox is to "summarize key facts in the article in which it appears". Therefore details displayed in the infobox can and should appear in the article. -- Zyxw (talk) 20:15, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Template:Bantayan map acknowledgment

A tag has been placed on Template:Bantayan map acknowledgment, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done for the following reason:

A combination of both T2 and T3. This template contains information that should only be placed on, and can be found on, image files.

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The copyright information you have provided here is sufficient. -- Patchy1 05:27, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

OK Johnmperry (talk) 05:32, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Need to rename a category I created

I just created Category:Islands of the Don group, (Bantayan) but now realise I should have left out the comma.

Note:To link to a category instead of adding to it, put a colon at the start of the link. eg. [[:Category: ...

Create the new category and put {{db-g7}} on the old one. -- Patchy1 09:30, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

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About your question at Help:List's feedback page: Try Wikipedia:Help desk for questions like thst. WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:00, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Actually, I found the answer within Help:Image (or something like). The answer is {{clear}}. I didn't see any way though of updating my bleat to tell you that. Johnmperry (talk)

I'm glad you found the answer you needed. I don't think there's really an update system. You might be able to mark it as "resolved" from the feedback page, but I don't know if anyone can do that for their own feedback. Perhaps someday I'll find out.  ;-)

Happy editing, WhatamIdoing (talk) 23:11, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

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Spanish Peseta

Sorry, I did not mean your edition when I wrote "undoing vandalism", but whoever came before you and changed "Peseta española" to "Peseta mexicana". Then you did some format change to that, so I undid both changes, but did not realised the additional removal of the "Pegged by" line. That removal is not right, anyway; it is "pegged by", not "pegged to", which is the opposite. Those minor currencies were indeed pegged to the Spanish peseta.--Gorpik (talk) 15:09, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

I've removed your edition myself (I left the new category, since that was correct) and moved the discussion to the Talk page in the article, in case you want to continue it. Have a good night.--Gorpik (talk) 15:23, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Article assessments.

I looked over a couple of articles that you have been editing. I upgraded Bantayan Island to C-class because it does seem pretty well cited and informative. If you think it should be higher, it would really be better for the specific projects themselves to reassess. Or at least someone who has more experience assessing B-class or higher articles. Thank you for your work! -- JoannaSerah (talk) 16:25, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your time. I was going to reply earlier, but the internet was off all night (this is China - anything can happen!). Regarding Bantayan, Cebu, in fact barangay was already wikified in the infobox, and my understanding was that wikilinks shouldn't really appear more than once. I am in fact generally puzzled by infoboxes - my thinking is that they should provide at-a-glance basic info, and the article itself should provide something more substantial, whereas others say the infobox should merely contain a summary of facts embedded in the article. This seems rather pointless, apart from duplication, it means that a lot of key information needs to be hunted out by the enquirer.

I am puzzled too about the assessment criteria of the projects - how does Barber Island qualify for A-class by the islands project?

I don't know what happened to the table of birds - previously it showed fine, now it doesn't. And it doesn't in history either! Very puzzling.

John of Cromer in China (talk) mytime= Tue 10:24, wikitime= 02:24, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Seems like column widths specied in em no longer work, so I changed them to px, which I don't care for.

I was hoping you'd remove some (all) of the of the hidden categories to do with references/citations, so that box doesn't show at the top.

John of Cromer in China (talk) mytime= Tue 10:58, wikitime= 02:58, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Concerning article assessments, a good bit of it is subjective. Some of the wikiprojects have more specific guidelines and generally, the higher you go up the "class" ladder, the more specific requirements there are. Unfortunately, sometimes people have put their class assessments on some articles without regard to any actual guidelines. If you disagree with some assessment, or, at least, question it, it is best to post a question about it on that article talk page and/or at the associated project talk page. -- JoannaSerah (talk) 16:57, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Regarding the infobox and linking of terms in an article: Yes, the term should generally be linked only once in the article text. This does not include the infobox though. Infoboxes usually should have the terms linked there as well. WP:MOSLINK has info about linking. I'm not sure where the confusion of what goes in the infoboxes comes from. Providing both at-a-glance basic info and a summary of facts in the article is not contradictory. The infoboxes themselves are generally summaries of facts contained in the articles. However, it depends on the type of infobox. Sometimes it includes stuff not in the article (and, if so, should have a cite with it). I would say, for now, just keep adding what you think should be in it. If others disagree, they'll take it out and provide reasons why. -- JoannaSerah (talk) 16:57, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

That is strange about the tables. I don't know right off-hand. Might have something to do with an update to the MediaWiki code. -- JoannaSerah (talk) 16:57, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

As far as the refimprove hatnote on Bantayan island, that doesn't depend on any hidden coding. I just left that on at the time because, even though you had added a lot of references, it appeared to have several sections still unreferenced completely or depend on one ref that doesn't cover all the info there. That's why I left it instead of adding much more code pointing out all the different places that needed refs. Thank you. -- JoannaSerah (talk) 16:57, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

& to and

Thank you for your note. Perhaps you would give me an example of what you consider was major editing. I never want to do that as I usually know very little about the subject; I just do cosmetic work. About the dates: Wikipedia doesn't care what style is used, but the same style has to be used throughout the article. And I remember not changing some of the &'s. As I recall, the ones I didn't change where in the boxes listing the various denominations of coins. I didn't feel it necessary to change them since they weren't in text. Wikipedia guidelines don't allow "&" in the text. All the best, Caeruleancentaur (talk) 03:51, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

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Leith Links

Many thanks for your kind assistance in reducing the multiple references I added to the above article. There seems, however, to be a problem with how the amended version is appearing: page numbers appear behind the reference numerals in the text, and the reference vol. number appears in bold for no reason. Is that something you could tweak further to make it display more correctly? And could you satisfy my curiosity on the following point. How does someone like yourself come across something that needs cleaned up? Are you automatically alerted in some way? Kim Traynor (talk) 22:09, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

Referencing Leith Links

Thanks for the detailed explanation you sent. On b)..now I know. On a) that leaves me with a certain challenge. Yes, it was a book that I was citing. I'll see if I can make the changes to the way the footnotes are displaying at present, but I'm pretty sure from past experience that I'm likely to muck it up. At least, I now know where to look for the explanation as to how to do it. Thanks for that. Kim Traynor (talk) 23:09, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your latest suggestion. It occurs to me that I may have been reacting to seeing a form of citation I wasn't used to. I've looked at a couple of previous articles I've created and see that I didn't give specific page references, so when multiple references were removed, no page numbers appeared next to the citation numerals in the text. It seems that the only time I've specified pages in the past has been in the case of single references. By the way, China seems a long way from Norfolk. It's not as if you can just nip down to the pub after a hard day. I hope you're managing to keep your spirits up! Saunders Street was one of those parts of Edinburgh where horrible old slum housing which could have been saved and renovated was demolished and replaced with what's there now. But at least you had good shops and a pub or two round the corner. Kim Traynor (talk) 23:48, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your brief bio. Knowing Edinburgh so well, I feel a great empathy. B&B in Leith? Boy, you must have had a hard time (unless it was in the Hermitage area facing the Links). Annandale Street - hardly a tree in sight and yet it was originally the (second) location of the Botanics before they moved to Inverleith. The little green park you may remember from around the corner has been nicely spruced up with a little tree named after Charles Darwin. I used to play there on a bike when I was a kid. It was really neglected then. And having to face the climb up Gloucester Lane first thing in the morning! That takes fortitude, although it is a shortcut. See if you recognise this [[1]] And you may also appreciate this caption [[2]] Click on the link to the police cells before you say too much about your current host country's timeline position. I've done quite a few captions using McGonagall which you'll find if you put his name in the www.geograph search box, top right. Here's a good starting point [[3]] You know, I think the guy was very clever. I thought, when I was younger, that he must have been some kind of buffoon, but on closer acquaintance with his life and work I realise it was all a big music-hall style act that earned him a living during what was for most people very tough times in the struggle for survival. If you want to explore Stockbridge on that site, you'll find some very interesting phenomena, such as the mysterious leaf sculptures which appeared overnight a while back, only a stone's throw from Saunders Street. And, no, the blocks of flats haven't been replaced yet. If their predecessors were anything to go by, I'd give them another hundred years. A friend of mine was telling me recently how the kids in that area used to go along to Saunders Street with their fishing nets and try to capture the rats - before your time. But, back to the referencing. If you look at the Leith Links View history, you'll see I did try changing from book to journal, but saw no difference in the page display. Both seem to show the page numerals outside the citation, as I think they are meant to do. I must say I don't particularly like the style, but if it's normal on Wikipedia, I'll go with it. Kim Traynor (talk) 02:48, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) As far as using the reference pages template outside of reused named references, that is standard to have them this way. Alternatively, instead of {{rp|14}} which gives you , you can use {{rp|page=14}} which will give you . For multiple pages use {{rp|pages=14–23}} which gives you . Just need to keep it consistent in the article. Hope this helps some. -- JoannaSerah (talk) 03:02, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

I've seen your latest message and the one that was mistakenly posted to your talkpage when intended for mine (I think). I'm now set up with various options and will plump for the one I think best once I'm more familiar with them. I hope you had a wee wander through Stockbridge on www.geograph.org.uk and found stuff like this [[4]]. Your comments on arriving in Edinburgh and living there reminded me of my foray south to London, probably, I'm guessing, when I was about the same age as you were when you arrived in Edinburgh. My equivalent of rain hitting you horizontally was getting up at what seemed like an unearthly hour in Ealing in the dark and travelling to work by Underground in the dark. I thought "this nightmare can't last". It didn't. I had a good year and a half in what can be quite a thrilling place, but a lonely one if you don't grow up there and know many people. Then, one day, a work colleague from Bermondsey, who was married to a Glasgow girl, said to me "What are you doing here anyway? Why don't you go back to Scotland and get a decent life?" He was right. I was living like a poor immigrants always do when they reach the metropolis. I was really no better off in terms of prospects than someone in a South American shanty town. I took his advice and have never looked back. Now my wannabe actress daughter is following in my footsteps, living in poverty in Camden. It depresses me when I see how she has to wrap up at night to go to bed rather than switch on a central heating system to keep warm (not that the rest of us can afford that nowadays!). Kim Traynor (talk) 11:10, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Just back from an afternoon's exploration of the area around the Grange, mainly to get a photograph for the Jordan Burn page I wrote up the other day. Re your last message: Now that's spooky. I lived and worked for a short time in Acton. I can't remember the address but the view from my room overlooked the old Ealing Studios. I liked the Ealing shopping area, even though I didn't know at that point that the Stones had started playing in John Mayall's Blues Club in the High Street before they were 'discovered' at the Crawdaddy Club in Richmond. Wish I had known. That would have been a shrine for official fan club member No.1783 (or thereabouts - I reckon there were more than that in the queues at the Crawdaddy). I worked at the time in a nondescript industrial estate in Acton, working out on a slide rule bonuses for drivers distributing Younger's Ales (hence the Scottish connection). Unfortunately, an industrial dispute blew up and the workers identified me, rather unfairly, with management. One night as I left work a lorry returning from the Thetford Depot swerved close enough to me that I had to pin myself against a wall to save myself. That's when I thought it was time to go and, luckily, I landed a humble job with Reuters in Fleet Street. That was much more civilised, but I still had to wander through the danger spots of Peckham after moving there (almost as dangerous as Leith). Kim Traynor (talk) 17:39, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

I don't remember a school. I was in a bedsit in a detached house on the east side of the studio lot (the road running north-south - is that North Acton Road?) and seem to remember a lane and entrance to it which I assume from memory must have run between the houses. There was never any and coming and going, so I suspect this was a back entrance. It was a BBc studios, which I assumed they'd taken over from the old Ealing Film Studios. I'll check it some time on Streetview, but right now I'm very preoccupied with trying to improve, i.e. totally rewrite the Burgh Muir page. Kim Traynor (talk) 14:58, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

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Requesting an IP address block exemption, because (I am on winter break in Philippines. I use a local internet cafe, and I got a block on one of the assigned addresses, depsite being signed-in on my own computer using wifi hotspot. Block was put in place in November-2011 by user Vizuttu and expires November-2013. Two years seems a long time). John of Cromer in China Philippines (talk) mytime= Tue 14:17, wikitime= 06:17, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

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Bantayan Island/sandbox

Hello John, this page was accidentally created in the main space. It is now located at User:Johnmperry/Bantayan Island. --Vejvančický (talk / contribs) 14:10, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

Hi, I replied on my talk page. --Vejvančický (talk / contribs) 12:24, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Tambayan_Philippines/History_of_the_Philippines_(citations)

responded on my talk page. Frietjes (talk) 23:14, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

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How far back?

The most complete coverage I know of, at NHC and JTWC, is as follows:

Atlantic (NHC) 1851

West Pacific, North Indian Ocean and Southern Hemisphere (JTWC) 1945

East Pacific (NHC) 1949

--Keith Edkins ( Talk ) 14:19, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

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AIV

John, I am sorry but everyone else seems to find this page as very straightforward. If you have trouble understanding the intructions may I suggest that you avoid using the page until they become clearer to you?--Anthony Bradbury^"talk" 14:30, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

I fully appreciate that you want to help here, but please learn to walk before you try to run.--Anthony Bradbury^"talk" 14:39, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

I apologise if you found the above comment(s) rude and patronising, as you say on my talk page. that was not my intention. If you look at the top of the AIV page the instructions are there.--Anthony Bradbury^"talk" 16:15, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

Warning users

Hi Johnmperry. I've just responded to your vandalism report by warning the user you reported. When you revert vandalism, you do not have to report he user straight away - it is best to give them a few warnings first. You can find out more about user warnings here. ItsZippy ^{(talk • contributions)} 14:37, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

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Ylla: Hatari!

Greetings and thank you for including the film Hatari! and how Ylla's life and activities inspired Howard Hawks. This is welcome news. I am Ylla's godson and have written a biography that will accompany a selection of her best photographs, soon to be published, and would like to include more information on Hatari! if it is available (had she met Howard Hawks, etc). This example is an important manifestation of memory and the extent of her continued popularity after her death.

I created this web page to help promote Ylla within the world of photography and publishing. You will notice that I moved your insertion further down the page, as I want to first present information directly related to her contribution to photography (Julian Huxley wrote the introduction to her most important book of animal portraiture and Charles Rado was her agent turned executor who created her career).

Thank you in advance for your understanding.

Sincerely,

Pryor Dodge

P.S.: You may reach me directly at: pryordodge@gmail.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by Waverley123 (talk • contribs) 04:14, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Followup

The reference category problem is a bug, somewhere in Wikimedia software that recategorizes articles. The articles had an error sometime in the past, and the state got stuck. I've verified that simply opening the article and hitting "save" recalculates the categories and sets things right.—Kww(talk) 15:57, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

user Johnbastias for entry Fotos Politis

Dear namesake, We seemed to have bumped between us, as I was trying to copy/paste on the edit page one text I had just written to another part of the page. I'm sorry, I didn't know someone was on my edit page as I was working on it. If there is something you want to improve, please go right ahead. Take care.--Johnbastias (talk) 11:01, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Tacloban Climate

No thank you. Please, feel free to edit it. I am exhausted right now so I will let you do the editing. Cheers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Glaxal (talk • contribs) 05:58, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks :)

I'm still not great with the Reference syntax and I didn't realized I needed to do anything special to make the note appear at the bottom. Thanks for fixing it! --✶♏✶ 05:43, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Need to report persistent vandalism

Page is Pasadena City College

It contains an item about an ongoing dispute,basically students+faculty V admin

It has proper citations.

It has been reverted three times in the last 24 hours by user PCC1924, who I believe is within the admin of Pasadena City College (which was founded in 1924). This use has no user page nor talk page, so I'm not sure how to send any warnings.

The three reversions were once of the original posting, and twice of mine. (The page came to my attention because I work on Category:pages with missing references list)

User needs to be warned/blocked

John of Cromer in Philippines (talk) mytime= Fri 21:09, wikitime= 13:10, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

• The proper response is to welcome the editor and let them know that blanking content is not in accordance with the encyclopedia's policies and guidelines. I have placed a first level warning template on the user's talk page. (The way to create a talk page is to simply leave a message.) If the editor continues to remove content, restore the content and place an escalating warning for removing or blanking content (or whatever relates to the specific act of vandalism). If you have additional questions, feel free to contact me. Cindy(need help?) 13:24, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Contains Japanese text

Hi! Concerning your question in the edit summary here, I don't feel strongly about it, but rather tend to not use {{tl:contains Japanese text}} for the reasons mentioned in this discussion. If you want to keep it, that's fine with me as well. bamse (talk) 16:18, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

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Thanks

Thanks for tidying up those citations on Hermunduri.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 17:18, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

March 2013

Hello, I'm MelbourneStar. I wanted to let you know that I undid one or more of your recent contributions to Eye-Fi because it didn't appear constructive. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. —MelbourneStar☆^talk 07:13, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

A bowl of strawberries for you!

Apologies for the Eye-Fi issue - slipped my mind to check your edit summary, which you did leave. Again, sorry, and I hope you enjoy these strawberries. Regards, —MelbourneStar☆talk 09:23, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion declined: Stuffed ham

Hello Johnmperry. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Stuffed ham, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: not a valid speedy deletion criterion. Consider listing at WP:AFD after following WP:BEFORE (maybe the article's scope could be expanded). Thank you. SmartSE (talk) 17:43, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

"the bot is a vandal"

I noticed this edit. The bot had a bug that has been corrected. I thought I had found all cases where it had damaged the article, but I apparently missed this one. Still, it works a lot better if you notify me (like it says in Chartbot's edit summary) when you see a problem with Chartbot instead of just reverting it and accusing it of vandalism. Chartbot runs three times a week: if you just revert it, it will redo itself. In this case, it worked out: I had already fixed the bug, so it went right the second time. Usually, it will put the exact same edit back.—Kww(talk) 16:47, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

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Decline reason: Procedural decline: user reports he is able to edit, so must have moved to another IP. JohnCD (talk) 12:49, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

I'm using mobile internet, in the Philippines

That IP address is nothing like what appeared in the original message. I've been editing all day.

John of Cromer in Philippines (talk) mytime= Fri 19:51, wikitime= 11:51, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Is the above true, or just a spoof? I've done nothing more, but am able to carry on editing. It seemed like a dodgy page I was trying to roll back at the time - Tim Deegan

Everything seems OK, and I carry on editing like before, although I've had no admin contact.

John of Cromer in Philippines (talk) mytime= Fri 20:31, wikitime= 12:31, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

No, that is a real autoblock, but the autoblock finder does not report your account as blocked, and if you can edit you must by now have moved on to another IP. JohnCD (talk) 12:49, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

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CSD Criteria

In this edit, you marked the page for speedy deletion and left the reason, "lacking in everything". This isn't a valid criteria for speedy deletion and speedy deletion isn't like PROD where almost any reason can be given. It wouldn't even qualify for A1 or A3 which are the closest criteria to your reasoning.

Not trying to be a jerk but creating your own CSD criteria is just a waste of other editors' time. OlYeller21^Talktome 00:09, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

thank you for correcting my article ...

dear Johnmperry, thank you for editing my page! Some citations are there more than once, because many different publications has been published in one book (journal, etc.). you are doing a great job! best regards anna karolina heinrichAnna Karolina Heinrich (talk) 08:19, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

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Billy Wagner

If you don't mind, check out Billy Wagner again. I was half asleep and am pretty rusty at editing and I see clearly I messed up the article. It wasn't vandalism, though -- it was just me doing a bad job. I think I got it right this time. Erechtheus (talk) 01:30, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

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map width

I, personally, think it's odd that the location map in articles like Santa Fe, Cebu is narrower than the other images. if you agree, we should really start a thread at Wikipedia talk:Tambayan Philippines or some other centralized location. I tried to revert some of the edits that made the map more narrow, and received some backlash from the editor who introduced the change. Frietjes (talk) 19:55, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

You mean the location with Phils map? I don't like that at all, because the shading makes it hard for me to see anything, and like you say, it's narrower. The alternative would be to replace it with one wider, which implies taller.

That editor has made several changes with which I disagree, claiming some sort of standardisation. I think anything which removes knowledge or functionality is a bad move - Wikipedia is a fount of information (or should be), not a fashion magazine. He is not amenable to any sort of criticism, and basically in my view, has made several pages completely ugly, partly by moving pictures away from their subject, thus opening up a lot of white space. I think the demographics population change box, apart from also being ugly, has some demonstrably dubious mathematics. I think the basic subdivision title should be 'barangay' not 'barangays'. I don't like galleries in general, because they divorce pictures from their topics, and also because they offer unviewable pictures little larger than a postage stamp.

How do you suggest we go about any move?

John of Cromer in Philippines (talk) mytime= Thu 06:54, wikitime= 22:54, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

perhaps start a thread in some centralized location, make some suggestions about what should be the standard format, and then go from there. we could start with say the format of the infobox, or other common sections. we could mention that WP:IG that suggests that images should be located near text, etc. I will start watching your talk page, so you don't need to use the wb or tb templates, unless you want to do so :) Frietjes (talk) 23:29, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

My trouble is I find it hard to be nice to people I don't like, and I find this user one of a small group who act according to their own personal notions, make destructive contributions rather than mending things which are broken. If you start a talk I'll follow you. John of Cromer in Philippines (talk) mytime= Thu 12:55, wikitime= 04:55, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

It is interesting that my efforts to create consistent infoboxes and information are considered "destructive". Frietjes, we may disagree on the pushpin mapsize, but you are equally concerned about having a "consistent appearance across all of WP". I am merely following the pattern that was established by community consensus long before my involvement. Until a new consensus is reached in the wider community, that's what I do. But looks like John's critism is purely subjective, using words like "ugly" and "I don't like". -- P 1 9 9  ✉ 14:23, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

My understanding was that I am able to express my own opinions on my own talk page.

I think any intervention which removes valid information from a working page is destructive. Case in point is removal of 'military time zones'. That is a simple and well-used method for referring to local times without needing the technicalities of e.g. UTC+8.

I think as far as possible information should be presented in a single place, and that was what the infobox purports to be, as well as the page itself. The infobox is supposed to present information in a nutshell, with expansion of some in the article itself. No need to send the viewer off to other pages (such as commons) when the information could be presented at the origin. Gathering photos together arbitrarily to form a gallery is the opposite of helpful, and as WP:IG says, not desirable. The images should be shown in context.

Including information which is demonstrably false, as I have shown with {{Philippine Census}}, is undesirable, regardless of the aesthetics of its presentation. Similarly offering information which is unviewable, such as the Philippine pushpin map, is a waste of page space. Not everyone views in wide-screen. Me for instance, with my 10" notebook, or a lot of people with tablets and smart phones. They don't want white space, they want succinctly presented info, obtainable with the minimum of clicks.

I haven't yet seen any evidence of any community consensus despite asking more than once. Standards only work if they are published and publicized. And of course open to development. Anything else is personal fancy.

John of Cromer in Philippines (talk) mytime= Fri 08:04, wikitime= 00:04, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Navotas local elections , 2013

Hello and welcome to WikiPedia ! , please clarify why did you placed Deletion in the article, it can not be deleted because it has importance like other locations in the Philippines we need to have an article like that for the residents of Navotas.- GeLoDC (talk) 05:25, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

I made it exactly clear - it has no notability whatsoever. There are elections all over the Philippines on that date. Why do you think your local election has any significance whatsoever?

John of Cromer in Philippines (talk) mytime= Thu 13:48, wikitime= 05:48, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Navotas election

I know that there will over election . but look at Philippine general election, 2013 that will be the for the whole country. Look at other articlesCaloocan local elections, 2013 Manila local elections, 2013 Quezon City local elections, 2013 are on National_Capital_Region_(Philippines). So you dont know about the Philippines. It significates importance . Thats the reason why it has 'LOCAL ELECTIONS. Ok? - GeLoDC (talk) 10:35, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Do you know how to speak filipino? -GeLoDC (talk) 10:52, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Eh ayun naman pala . marunong kang magsalita ng tagalog. taga pinas ka? di ka proud sa sariling bansa mo? . idedelete mo yung article. Metro Manila to dre ! Gumising ka. -GeLoDC (talk) 10:55, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

2013 local elections in the Philippines.

I deprodded your PRODs on provincial-level 2013 local elections in the Philippines; or at least jurisdictions that have larger population than Manila, where identical 2010 AFD had already produced a KEEP vote. If you disagree on my deprods, try AFD again. I didn't touch the municipal/city-level elections as I'm mostly on the fence on retaining those; I won't be surprised though if someone else does.

As a rule, the "smallest" elections for which election articles are allowed to exist on their own are by-elections (or special elections). An example would've been Oldham East and Saddleworth by-election, 2011; the district of Oldham East and Saddleworth has an electorate of just over 72,000. Compare that to municipal-level elections in the Philippines where I left the PRODS that have ~250,000; coincidentally, that's the minimum number of the electorate for electoral districts in the Philippines. –HTD 12:07, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

So, what you are going to say ?

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User:Gian de la cruz

I've given Gian de la cruz a final warning. Any more disruptive editing will be escalated for Administrator intervention. Mr. Gerbear (talk) 19:47, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

I'm glad he's been blocked. However, the period has been reduced from indefinitely to 48 hours. I'll keep watching to see if he tries anything more without following policy. Thanks for keeping watch with me! Mr. Gerbear (talk) 02:20, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks again for editing help!

Hi, Johnmperry -- I hope this is posted in the right place! Thank you for the editorial guidance on my children's theatre article. I think I always say what has been done (edit, add ref, etc.,), but did not realize this was not considered a "minor" change. Consider my wrist slapped! Thanks, and please let me improve the thing -- my heart is in the right place! Hairhorse (talk) 06:27, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

As you said, we learn from our mistakes -- so every day is an education for me! I appreciate it. Hairhorse (talk) 20:14, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi, can you please help me to make my article that is not an orphan page anymore? I have no idea how to organize it :) Thanks in advance! Anna Karolina Heinrich (talk) 08:41, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for a quick answer!! Now I know more about it! I will try ... That is for you :)

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Thanks! Thanks! Thanks! You will get 1000 stars from me :)! Anna Karolina Heinrich (talk) 06:56, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

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A notability tag? REALLY? Passes NMUSIC 2 for certain, 1 probably, 4 almost certainly, and 5. And possibly some of the others as well. Seriously dude, did you do no research whatsoever? Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 19:48, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

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Hi again :). Need your help! Somebody deleted almost a half of my article. Twice. I "undo" it and he did it again. Now I "undo" it again. He commented his edit, that my article looks like a cv and it is too long. I don't agree. The main publications are very important for the scientific article! Please give me some advice what to do! Thanks!! Anna Karolina Heinrich (talk) 09:19, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

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Rittenhouse Elementary School

I'm definitely reverting that. Did you not see the IN CREATION flag that you deleted? Yes, the article is screwed up, in a lot of ways. Yes, it probably was ridiculously overlinked. If you notice from the list on the talk page, (and the edit history, yes, it's long) we've had like four different people collaborating on this, and other people giving input.

You deleted my hidden note, the in creation flag, half a damn paragraph leaving a sentence fragment, and an entire citation. Pay attention to what the hell you are doing!

Also, some of the text you changed (for instance, the school has a dropped ceiling, but it is NOT an acoustic ceiling) specifically introduced incorrect statements into the article, and removed things that were correct (the 'preservation expert' IS specifically a historic preservation expert, which you deleted.

AS THE FLAG SAYS, DO NOT EDIT THIS ARTICLE UNNECESSARILY, and LOOK AT THE TALK PAGE FIRST!

Making this article (specifically, doing all the text) is part of a graduate school assignment for a brand new wikipedian. PLEASE do not screw with it. Revent (talk) 05:16, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I did see the {{in creation}} flag, as well as the comment both of which I removed. (And so has another editor subsequently).

Yes I took out a lot of absurd wikilinks.

I don't know what half paragraph/sentence fragment you mean. Yes, I removed inappropriate material only peripherally associated with the article's subject, and that certainly included at least one citation.

Removing wikilinks does not change the text - the acoustical [sic] ceiling was already there.

Amongst the 128 edits over the previous two days, between you the project has not really moved forward. In fact backward. You also reverted the list of references which I had made from the various contortions in the text, and between you you saw fit to move them all back. For what end?

Any articles you write for Wikipedia should be complete when put live. Development should be in your sandbox, not in the live article.

Read WP:OWNER. Read the documentation for the templates you use, including {{dm}}, {{cn}}, {{rp}} and of course {{in use}}. Also read WP:GF and WP:EQ

John of Cromer in Philippines transit (talk) mytime= Wed 18:55, wikitime= 10:55, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Several things.

1. Though I originally wrote that note, I was not the one who put it there or hid it.

2. I am well aware of WP:OWNER, and I am not the person who put it live. That was done by a brand new editor who posted the text she wrote in Word into the new article. Because of the nature of her assignment, we were trying to let her work on the text while other people worked on the formatting and such.

3. When you messed with the references before the 10+ references to the nomination form were seriously broken, including missing section and page numbers. Other refs had also lost page numbers. The /original/ reference list included no inline cites, had 10+ references to 'ibid', etc.

The references now to that are templatized for both the NRHP citation itself, and use rp for the section and page numbers. The majority of the my edits were me slowly and carefully fixing the refs so I didn't lose data while fixing it.

I was specifically editing only sections to try to avoid edit conflicts, and so could not see the format of the references without committing the edit. Also, there were a /lot/ of incidental broken tags after fixing the refs that did not display errors until I commited the edit.

4. As far as the 'half a paragraph with a fragment', sorry, that was a misreading of the way the diff was displayed. For some reason I was seeing splits that weren't there, and the bottom of the para was hidden off the screen. I apologize for that.

5. The reference you completely deleted (the NHRP criteria) was not currently actually 'used' as a source, explicitly, except for the fact that the quote from the OTHER cite in that sentence was a direct quote from the criteria. I realized this last night, added the new source, and addressed on the talk page that the paragraph needed to be rewritten. The intent was to use about four quotes from it as lead ins to the sections of 'eligibity' that are specifically about how the school is 'special' in those ways. Deleting it was entirely unhelpful.

6. You also deleted the ORIGINAL cite there, which was the reference for what criteria the school was approved under, leaving half the para with no cites.

Yes, WP:OWNER and all that. Help with working on the article is welcome. Ignoring that there is a collaborative work on it going on, and making an edit with a summary that talks about OVERLINK but edits the text, is not.

As far as the templates, the 'data missing' was added when that cite had a page number that got lost in the conversion to inline cites, to remind me to dig it out of the edit history. I missed deleting it when I fixed the ref. The 'citation needed' on the section is because that whole section, while sourced, is missing the specific citations. When I was using the 'in use' flag, it was after I got edit conflicts that made me lose a LOT of work on fixing the refs, because of bot edits. The 'nonstandard' use of the rp template was not added by me. It was initially added, after discussion, by another editor as the best way to deal with all the repeated cites to pages and sections of the nomination form. The nonstandard use is actually documented properly in the displayed citation, if you look at it.

As far as etiquette, when people ignore the Talk page and make edits with incorrect summaries, it admittedly tends to get a poor reaction from me. Also, because of the difference between the edit summary and what you actually did, if looked like you were being /extremely/ careless. Revent (talk) 13:03, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Please look at this, specifically how the reference list was formatted BEFORE I spent several hours reformatting and debugging it. Revent (talk) 13:24, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

BTW, looking back, your version of the references was completely gone, and in the version I linked above, before I even got involved. The problem was that Gags had NO IDEA how to properly add references, and not all were in the text who you worked on it. Revent (talk) 13:37, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Actually, having my attention drawn to your version of the refs is helpful, and I thank you for that. Gags had lost metadata you added, and I can retrieve it from the old version instead of having to re-reserch it. Revent (talk) 13:55, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Apology =

I owe you an apology for how I reacted. My excuse, to be honest, is that every single 'argument' I get into with another wikipedian has been the direct result of my seeing what appeared to be a refusal to discuss, including many ways I have tried to politely ask people to read or consider something before they do an edit. Like I mentioned, putting it as a 'hidden note' like that was not my idea (it was moved there by someone else with over 100,000 edits). I also get /really/ irritated when I am working on something, and someone uninvolved (your last work on this was prior to the /ton/ of work I've done on this) makes an edit that changes things that are only apparent from a diff.

My tendency to get pissed off so quickly at things that have been a repeated issue like this is a personal failing, and a direct symptom of a medical condition I have. I need a HUGE injection of WP:FUCK at times, not because of a feeling of 'ownership', but because of....well, lets skip the autopsychoanalysis.

It was not my intent to 'block' or 'drive away' the input or collaboration of other editors. That is /always/ a good thing. It was my intent to let people know that there was an ongoing collaboration (though noone else is working now, and I was actually taking a break from that article for a while) about writing the entire article, and to.....communicate. Revent (talk) 20:53, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Apology accepted. As I said in my original {{copyedit}} the article needs substantial pruning because it says the same things at least three times. In addition, there are irrelevancies which have no place in that article. And as for those absurd wikilinks ...

The way to move the article forward is not to revert contributions but to consider what they mean. And as I said, you ought to work out the article fairly fully before putting it live. That's what your sandbox is for.

I've got no idea which major this is meant to be a graduate assignment for. John of Cromer in Philippines transit (talk) mytime= Thu 09:48, wikitime= 01:48, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

She mentions on her userpage that she's studying history, etc. She's not a 'computer' person at all, and trying to teach her how to do the actual editing in a 'more wiki friendly' way this point would make her even more confused. I got involved with this because she was repeatedly asking for help various places with how to do fairly basic 'technical' things. This was after her initial creation of the article. Take a glance at what she originally put live. [5] The article was also initially misnamed.

Because of the issues of how it was being edited by her, the citations were EXTREMELY screwed up. She had used 'ibid' inline, and then relocated the text without changing the cite. The ref tags were all in the right place, but nearly all of the citations were not to where they were supposed to be. When I was changing the cites with all those edits, I was actually specifically referring to the original text and tracing down the actual page of every citation.

Because of the intricacy of the changes, and how long it was taking, there was a substantial period where another editor making ANY changes to the live article would have completely fucked it up again, or I would have been forced to blank all of their changes when I incorporated my fixes. The only way I could figure out to do it, and avoid edit conflicts (I had several during this process, with both Gags and bots), was to tendentiously edit and commit a huge number of small changes. This was EXTREMELY tedious.

You're right about the text that was there, I was just trying to let her do the actual writing (I do NOT write copy, btw, I suck at it) and let other editors know that and why. She needs to actually learn how to do it, instead of just having it 'done'.

Without actually rewriting anything but the lead, I completely reorganized the text and removed quite a bit of the redundancy. Hopefully it is a /lot/ better now, and I would appreciate you looking at it. The issue with the 'style' of the original text was huge, simply because it was written as a 'research paper' instead of a 'encyclopedia article'

A long-standing point of aggravation with me is when editors undo something because it was 'incorrectly done' without actually doing it the right way, giving any feedback about how to do it the right way, or clearly communicating what they are doing. Honestly, trying to avoid conflict over things like that is a large part of why, over the 7 years or so I've been contributing to WP, I've in the past not gotten involved with the 'community' here at all and just done 'invisible' things like adding data to the infoboxes on asteroid stubs. (There are a /ton/ of those, that are horrible because they are nothing but an infobox, and not even marked as a stub. I think they were created automatically. At least the infoboxes are correct on a bunch now). Revent (talk) 20:10, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

As my name says, right now I'm in transit, but should stabilise in a couple of days. Not sure about internet though! Then I'll take a considered look at the article, when it should itself have stabilised too.

I was going to set up a {{cite isbn}} for Salge, but saw you'd beaten me to it. And you'd made the same mistake I did - change the name to include the check-digit!

One thing I hate is those editors who are out to notch up their edits score, so make inane and pointless changes but don't stop to check the results, so category:Pages with missing references list often shows the result. Bots which remove multiple spaces, which are there for a reason; changing the sequence of references (so they're ascending) without moving any associated {{rp}}; etc. Things which would perhaps be OK as part of a larger edit, but in themselves are not the slightest bit constructive. I imagine your asteroids are in there. I have the same with very small villages in Eastern Europe or further east, with no notability whatsoever, or bottom-ranking professional sportspeople whose only claim to notability is that they once kicked a ball in a park.

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Notdirectory vs notable buildings

Hi Johnmperry, I am familiar with Notdirectory, but the churches you removed from two neighbourhoods of Montevideo do not seem to fall under that policy. When we describe a populated place we usually include among other its main street(s), main square(s), monuments, landmarks, museums, churches, educational institutions, sport venues, tourist attractions, rail stations (and more generally transport system), main hospitals and more. These are not "loosely associated topics", but very much connected to the place described and make it be what it is. When we come to hotels, supermarkets, gasoline stations, cinemas and so on, then we do enter the yellow pages area and I can see how the Notdiectory policy applies. Even in this policy section it is mentioned "Of course, there is nothing wrong with having lists if their entries are famous because they are associated with or significantly contribute to the list topic." "Places of worship" is a valid topic/section for a populated place and its cathedrals contribute to the topic. Hoverfish Talk 08:16, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

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Thanks for fixing that DEAP omission.

I hadn't noticed the lack of {{reflist}} before. 71.41.210.146 (talk) 08:51, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

BGR

Wikipedia is full of links to not already existing articles and the links are opening new articles Reference is already an article and information for new article in WP and prooving the existence of BGR and short writting www.bgr.de with full name references already inside WP with BGR source for all german fossil energy reserves from governement. In germany BGR stands reserved for that !

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	Thanks for reverting the vandalism on Lagged Fibonacci Generators. I don't do too many edits and was having trouble, but you came in and saved the day! Malitiatus (talk) 22:36, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

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{{ACTinttop}}

Hi John,

The template is a shorthand way of writing the inputs to a larger template, not for testing.

Nbound (talk) 11:28, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Yes, can you please explain why you thought this was a "test"? It certainly does not fall under G2 - G2 is an obvious test like random sentences or words in the mainspace on a newly created article. --Rschen7754 11:30, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

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IOS 3

Hi why did you undo IOS 3 it was not Vandalism because if you say that was Vandalism you should look at iOS 4 and iOS 5 and iOS 6 and iOS 7 90.218.233.141 (talk) 17:06, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Guillemont

Thanks for the tidy-up, I hadn't a clue where the errant reflist template should go. ;O).Keith-264 (talk) 22:21, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Cite journal to cite PMID

Unsure why you made this change? Usually we at WPMED use cite journal. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 20:03, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Is there consensus for your change? How is this standardizing them when every other ref is expanded like this? [6] Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 21:00, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Am collaborating with a group to translate medical content into as many other languages as possible. This change of format does not work in Panjabi for example. [7] Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 21:13, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

In the PCSK9 and Time perception, there was a pre-existing citation style in this article that did not include {{cite pmid}} templates. Per WP:CITEVAR, if you wish to change that citation style, you first need to gain consensus on the talk page. So far, you have not done so. Also please note that the {{cite pmid}} template comes with the following caution:

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Stefan Ristovski, Can Korbajram

Apparently what happened is that User:Becan started by trying to take over Stefan's page (which has been around since 2009) to write about Can. Later, apparently, he realized that he should create a separate article about Can. That's why the two articles looked the same -- Becan had left the information about Can on Stefan's page. I've fixed that so now each page is about the player whose name is at the top of the page. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 15:48, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

• However, the Can Korbajram article is probably a hoax anyway and I've tagged it as such. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 15:55, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Ningbo University

I think it's likely a copyvio. I can't find it though. Can you? Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 06:32, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

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Contested prod on Florence Green

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My mistake, I assumed your "Undid revision by" edit summary was literal. Her being the last surviving service member of WWI seems adequately sourced, unless I've misunderstood your point, and going from being "last service member to still be alive" to "last service member to die" doesn't seem much of a change in significance. By all means AfD it if you think it merits discussion, though. --McGeddon (talk) 10:28, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Morecambe

John - Morecambe and LONSDALE is different to Morecambe and LUNESDALE, so there needs to be two separate articles. Further, the redirect omits three or four election results, so I've made the article BETTER

Please do not revert in such a rude and disruptive manner again.

doktorb _words^deeds 15:37, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

For ignorance, try you. I understand you don't know the difference between Lonsdale and Lunesdale, or that the two constituencies are different? Each UK Parliamentary constituency has its own article, as each constituency is different. Whilst you look for a map to confirm what I'm saying is true, I'll go back to fixing what you're breaking. You'll note that I'm filling in missing election results, by the way, so am making a new article better than the existing one.

Do not revert again, there are rules against it. 

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A cheeseburger for you!

Good old American junk food. If you are a vegetarian, you can give it to your dog. Thanks for the edit at Template:10 black neighborhoods in Los Angeles County. GeorgeLouis (talk) 17:14, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

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I would also appreciate if you would acknowledge the comments made by other users in the above section. Thanks. Boghog (talk) 21:27, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Please take a more careful look at the history of the Time perception article. In particular, look at the error you introduced in citation #12 ("Cite error: The named reference morrone was invoked but never defined"). You are reverting without thinking. Also please read my comments on my talk page. Boghog (talk) 21:48, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

PCSK9 and Time perception

Before you revert any more of my edits, I urge you take a much more careful look at the actual changes I made. You are jumping to conclusions that are not warranted. In particular:

• PCSK9:
  • Nothing has changed as far as the citations look. (diff) – Please carefully compare outputs before and after your edits, especially how authors are formatted. The original citation format used a Vancouver system author system. The {{cite pmid}} template uses first1, last1, first2, last2 author parameters which renders the authors to include periods after author first initials, first and last names separated by a comma and authors separated by semicolons. The Vancouver system omits the periods and the comma between the last and first names.
  • They just come from a standardized place. – Both User:Citation bot that you used and Wikipedia template filling tool that I used obtain their data from the same place: PubMed. Furthermore I ran Citation bot afterwards (diff) to make certain all the data in the citations were complete and accurate.
  • Moreover, because I made all the references alphabetical – In my subsequent edit, I preserved the alphabetical order of the further reading section.
  • WP:LDR is much easier – Again, in my subsequent edit, I preserved the list defined references.
  • Finally as described here, there are legitimate reservations about using {{cite pmid}} templates.
• Time perception:
  • There was no citation style. A mixture of all sorts. (diff) – Before your edits, the was a predominate style that used {{cite journal}} templates. Furthermore all the citations were directly in the article and none were transcluded using {{cite pmid}} templates. After your edits, there was a mixture of transcluded and non-transcluded citations.
  • No consensus for rollback to version with information missing or wrong (diff) – Please take a look at the results of my edits. I retained all of the PMIDs that you had added. In addition, I inserted several additional PMIDs that were previously missing (5 to be exact, compare 19 PMIDs after my edits vs. 14 PMIDs after your edits). Your subsequent reversion removed these 5 PMIDs. Finally I had ran Wikipedia template filling tool followed by User:Citation bot (diff) to make sure all the data in the cite journal templates were accurate and complete.
  • You have obviously not spent any time at all – <ahem>, please take the time to look at the results of my edits and not jump to conclusions.

Thank you. Boghog (talk) 04:22, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

One advantage of both WP:LDR and {{cite pmid}} that you have pointed out is that they both reduce clutter within the raw article text. However using both methods at the same time is redundant and unnecessary. Either method alone would reduce clutter. The disadvantage shared by both methods is that they separate the citation from the text making it more difficult for editors to see the connections between the two and for editors to spot and correct errors in the citations. (Please don't try to claim that the citation bot never makes errors, sometimes it does.) Using both methods simultaneously compounds the problem. Finally including the "noedit" parameter in the {{cite pmid}} templates makes it very difficult for editors, especially new editors, to find the raw citation data. Using all three methods together (LDR, transcluded templates, and transcluded templates with the "noedit" parameter) becomes ridiculous.

IMHO, the best compromise is to use LDRs and non-transcluded citation templates. While making slightly more difficult for editors to find the raw citation data, at least with this compromise, the raw citation data is still included in the same article. An additional advantage of non-transcluded templates are that they allow variations in citation formatting to suit editors preferences. The {{cite pmid}} and {{cite doi}} templates enforce one type of citation style and this is contrary to WP:CITEVAR (see for example this discussion). Finally transcluded templates, especially if many are used in the same document, can considerably slow down page load times making editing more frustrating. Boghog (talk) 11:01, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

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Shi De Yang editing

I believe I do not understand under what circumstances have you decided to delete almost all of the contribution to Shi De Yang's biography, if you have some doubts about it, please visit the website http://www.shaolinspain.com/ if I'm not mistaken you are supposed to justify the editing and more than editing all what you did was to indiscriminately deleting info without even knowing about the topic, so please next time you erase the edit...try at least to say why...and if it is the case "adulation"? try editing Shi Yan Ming's topic...THAT...my friend is 100% adulation. The thing about wikipedia is to contribute not to destroy as what you have done...

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