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November 13

Request for removal of User:Man4bep

The information on the page "User:Man4bep" is incorrect and needs to be removed immediately. It should be speedily deleted because Polo Molina is blatant advertising for a company, product, group, service or person that would require a substantial rewrite in order to become an encyclopedia article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Managerw (talk • contribs) 00:05, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

 Done Fixed by TheRedPenOfDoom, whose edit summary‎ was "(blanking per FAKEARTICLE - single contribution of long dormant user)". -- John Broughton (♫♫) 04:28, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Article not showing in the deletion log

Hi! Like two months ago I post the article: Alfredo Cristalinas Kaulitz. It is a biography of a living person.

Today I found out it was deleted or missing. The deletion log doesn´t show anything. I also tried searching with my username. I don't know either who is the administrator.

I really appreciate if someone can help me out with this one.

My user is Fiscalizacionpartidos

Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fiscalizacionpartidos (talk • contribs) 00:11, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

This post is the only edit your account has saved at the English Wikipedia. There has been a deleted page at es:Alfredo Cristalinas Kaulitz at the Spanish Wikipedia. Only administrators at the Spanish Wikipedia can see who created it and what it contained, so I don't know whether it was you. This help desk is for the English Wikipedia. If your post is about the Spanish Wikipedia then they have a help page at es:Wikipedia:Café/Archivo/Ayuda/Actual. I don't know Spanish. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:28, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

military drones.

Hi there! According to Wikipedia Cyprus has military drones. (Cyprus is a Country). But i know Cyprus and i assure you that the only military aerovehicle that Cyprus has is a broken Harrier by the side of the road somewhere. An ornament and basically garbadge. So maybe Turkish Cyprus has military drones but Greek Cyprus does not. Wikipedia is filled with bullshit and i am not a cripple or a worm to waste my time on a computer. But perphaps you are so good luck with that all. Kind regards, Danny. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.207.78.111 (talk) 00:55, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Apparently you are, if you read our article. And how do you know the full extent of the military of Cyprus ? StuRat (talk) 01:17, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Here's a link: [1] It clearly states that the Cyprus Air Force has Elbit Hermes 450 drones. AndyTheGrump (talk) 02:03, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

How to edit the whole page

I want to edit a page thats been outdated more than 3-4years. Is it safe to edit by deleting the whole text and inserting what i wrote? or just simply adding/changing that needs an update. Also, is it safe to SAVE the content and go back and edit and SAVE again? or doing it all at once. I'm worried that it may be some sort of a violation or that it will be deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yoonchip (talk • contribs) 01:47, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

If the article really is of no use in it's current form, then yes, you could replace it entirely. But many times people just don't like the writing style or POV of somebody else and replace the article for that reason. That's not allowed. It would be better if you can keep as much of it as you can. Perhaps if it's about an event that's constantly changing, like a war, you could divide it into sections, one with the info as of then, and one with the current situation. What is the name of the article in question ? StuRat (talk) 01:59, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for the reply. The page I want to edit is a for a certain company, however I've read some news that it is a violation to edit for a living person and for a company which I may be related to? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yoonchip (talk • contribs) 02:01, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

yes, it is generally inappropriate to edit articles for which you have a conflict of interest, and a complete blanking an replacement would probably be seen as REALLY inappropriate. The best method is to make suggestions for changes by supplying relevant reliable sources on the talk page. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 04:07, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

@Yoonchip: Also, please note that articles about companies are *not* just about what the companies do now. For companies, there generally should be a "history" section. Also, readers appreciate *comparative* information. So, for example, if the article says "Product X has 1 million users", and cites a 2009 article, you can (and probably should) change this to "Product X had 1 million users in 2009 <citation here>; by 2013 the number had increased to [whatever].<new citation here>". In short, it's often wrong to just delete "outdated" text, particularly text that is footnoted (has a citation). -- John Broughton (♫♫) 04:25, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

whats a stub

whats the difference between a stub and..a normal article? if i click "expanding it" it just redirects me to the edit page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yoonchip (talk • contribs) 01:51, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

A stub is a short article that needs to be fleshed out. StuRat (talk) 01:53, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

See more at Wikipedia:Stub. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:24, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Template:Asbox reads: "This article is a stub. You can help Wikipedia by expanding it." Clicking on the "expanding it" does not expand the article using the Asbox template from a stub to a normal article. Rather, when you click on the "expanding it" portion of Template:Asbox, it redirects you to the edit page to help Wikipedia by adding source text to the stub article to increase the amount of information in the article. -- Jreferee (talk) 14:30, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

"Expanding" a stub does not mean doing anything automatic, such as with a template. It means editing the article to add more information. Anyone is welcome to add to a stub to make a longer article, as long as they follow the usual rules, such as use of reliable sources. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:33, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

International page- how is it different

I want to make an edit on a page thats on two languages. meaning, theres an aritcle for English Wikipedia, and an aritcle for Korean Wikipedia. I already am a autoconfirmed user on English Wikipedia, but do i need to be an autoconfirmed user for the korean wikipeida? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yoonchip (talk • contribs) 01:55, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

The rules for each different language are slightly different and up to the editors on those Wikipedias to decide. Each language is basically independent from one another. So, it would be best to ask at the Korean Wikipedia about their own rules. Dismas|^(talk) 02:15, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

To edit, you don't need to be an autoconfirmed user, on any language version of Wikipedia. You can even edit without being registered, on any language version of Wikipedia. It's true that each language version of Wikipedia has their own rules, but it's also true that the Wikipedia - any language version - can be edited by anyone. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 04:19, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Always assuming that the page has not been protected, which might well require the user to be autoconfirmed. Arjayay (talk) 10:19, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Adding a category in an RfC

Hi, there's an RfC on Deafness here about a cultural issue. The RfC is listed under Math, Science, and Technology but I think, since this is really about a cultural issue it should also be listed under "Society, sports, and culture." How do I add it to this category? I've never really done one of these, so I apologize for asking this dumb question. Thanks. Malke 2010 (talk) 04:24, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Change {{RfC|sci}} under the heading to {{RfC|soc}}. ~HueSatLum 04:39, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! Malke 2010 (talk) 04:55, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

What body style are these vehicles?

From our Mercedes Benz SL article i found these two pictures:

• File:1999 Mercedes-Benz SL500.jpg
• File:SL73.JPG

Is anyone able to confirm that these are Saloon/Sedans or Coupes? And if they are both convertibles (One clearly is). There is no mention of the available body styles in the infobox or article. Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 09:55, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

They both appear to be coupes. Although the talk page for the article is probably a better place to ask then here. And yes one is a convertible. XFEM Skier (talk) 20:27, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

If anywhere, i'd ask at Wikiproject Automobiles, but i thought this would be quicker. Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 09:33, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Delinking specific part inside a template (that is otherwise normally to be linked)

Hi, I'm trying to get the pages on Danish rail transportation going. I've created a simple sandbox page for a train station here User:C4K3/sandbox, but I have a slight problem with the template S-line. See, it uses the Template:S-line/DSB_left/Sydbanen page to get info on the left-hand side for the terminus station. The problem is, this line has both a formal and actual terminus. I wanted the end result from the template to say Østerport station (formally Ringsted station), but I'm not quite sure on how to do it, <nowiki> didn't work. I'm not 100% sure on how the templates work, so I might be doing it all completely wrong. Any help is much appreciated Cake~talk 12:35, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Are you asking to have the |next= parameter (the end result of the line from the template) in the Template:S-line/DSB_left/Sydbanen read Østerport station (formally Ringsted station? The usage page for Template:Infobox station indicates that it is the |services= parameter that allows inclusion of the s-rail/s-line boxes whereas you have them in the |line= parameter of Template:Infobox station. You are using Template:S-line/DSB_left/Sydbanen, but mention that your problem is with Template:S-rail. Also, you mention formal terminus and then note "formally Ringsted station." It would help to know how you want Template:Infobox station to read. -- Jreferee (talk) 12:57, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

The services/line parameter in Template:Infobox station was a mixup. I have no problems with the Template:Infobox station template (unless it's causing problems I don't know of.)

No, the next parameter is displayed properly. Template:S-line automatically adds terminus stations to the end of lines based on the system and line parameter. In my case this leads to it using Template:S-line/DSB_left/Sydbanen to display as the terminus station below where the next parameter is displayed. Example: Melrose (Metro-North station) displays Grand Central Station based on [[2]].

I want to change Template:S-line/DSB_left/Sydbanen to make it such that the text Østerport station (formally Ringsted station) is displayed Cake~talk 13:11, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

I think what you are saying is that you created Template:S-line/DSB left/Sydbanen to be transuded into a parameter of Template:Infobox station on the User:C4K3/sandbox page, but the Template:Infobox station parameter itself adds double brackets around whatever is placed in it, causing the displayed image in the User:C4K3/sandbox infobox to not be what you want. Is that what you are saying? -- Jreferee (talk) 13:17, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Yes and no. It has nothing to do with the Infobox station template. I made a separate page for just the s-line template, and the problem still persists User:C4K3/sandbox/s-line

The s-line template itself adds double brackets around whatever is placed in Template:S-line/DSB_left/Sydbanen, as well as station to the end (so that Grand Central in the template file becomes Grand Central Station). I want it so that User:C4K3/sandbox/s-line looks like http://imgur.com/dKjxRmh instead Cake~talk 13:31, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

And I was hoping it was something that could be fixed in Template:S-line/DSB_left/Sydbanen Cake~talk 13:32, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean by a "formal terminus". Did you perhaps mean "formerly" rather than "formally"? - David Biddulph (talk) 13:03, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Officially, the line ends at Ringsted, and then the trains continue on Vestbanen. But this is a rather confusing way to divide the lines up, so it is commonly written as the line simply continuing Cake~talk 13:16, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi, Jreferee pinged me about this. The way to accomplish this is to create an entry in {{DSB stations}} displaying the desired variation on the station name. I've made an example entry there. Please drop a line on my talk page if you have any further questions. Mackensen (talk) 13:37, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

how to include a formatted wikipedia text file into wipedia

Hi, i don't know (i couldn't find) how to include a output script file with WIKI format in order that the appearance on the wiki shows it fine. if i create a page with this content on wikipedia it prints OK, but i want to reference the text file from wiki, because this file will change avery day, and i want something like "include (/PATH/TO/TESXTFILE/textfile)" and wikipedia prints with this same format than if i "write" the same code on a wiki page. 217.14.40.189) (talk) 12:39, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Why do you want to do this? Wikipedia articles are not meant to change daily as a matter of course - see WP:NOTNEWS, so you need to explain in detail exactly what page you want to add this changing section to and why. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 13:05, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

To reuse Wikipedia content in wipedia, see Wikipedia:Reusing Wikipedia content . -- Jreferee (talk) 13:12, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Oops! I misread "wipedia". Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 15:47, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Shared account/Honorkid197

It seems that User:Honorkid197 is a shared account for a school project. My first impulse was that shared accounts are frowned upon by WP. I want to point that out to the "members" of the account without breaking their b____s, (so to speak). They have not committed any offense so I don't want to come on to strong. Is there a specific welcome available for accounts with shared users? ```Buster Seven Talk 14:38, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

We don't have a specific welcome message, since such accounts aren't allowed, period. I've softblocked their account and told them how to register new accounts. Yunshui 雲‍水 15:51, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

WP:BLP

Perhaps this isn't even the place for this ... Just want some input from people familiar with BLP practices. Wanted to add Former Australian PM Julia Gillard to the List of atheists in politics and law: seemed a curious omission. Turns out there has been a revert war. The controversy surrounds her statement in an interview with Lally Weymouth for The Washington Post, [3], in which she says, "I think it would be inconceivable for me if I were an American to have turned up at the highest echelon of American politics being an atheist, single and childless." To my mind this is equivalent to saying that she is atheist, single and childless. Gillard has been removed from the list a few times, most recently with the explanation 'The statement referred to starts with ""if I were an American""... This is not consistent with WP:BLP.' So how does WP:BLP work? Is the only sentence that could be considered a self-identification as an atheist "I am an atheist"?Ordinary Person (talk) 15:24, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

You could use a different source, if people are being picky about the Washington Post's wording- this would probably suffice. Yunshui 雲‍水 15:39, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

question about adding a photo

I have a photo of my Dad with the Heisman trophy that I got from his files when he passed away. I cannot see how I can give you copyright information on it. The photo was taken at his home about 50 years ago. It has been used publicly over the years but always by him or by me. I want to put it on his wiki page. I have several other photos I want to use in the future. All were in his files when he passed. Frank Eliscu 1912 - 1996 NBELQ (talk) 16:18, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Using non-free content in Wikipedia requires meeting a variety of conditions. If you donate the photo, it will be much easier to use within Wikipedia. To donate, see Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials. In general, uploading the photo to Wikimedia Commons is the easiest way to use the photo in Wikipedia. There's no reason to limit the photos to your dad with the trophy. If you have photos from his life (early life, career, family, work studio, etc.), please consider uploading those to commons as well as those may be used in the Frank Eliscu 1912 - 1996 as well. -- Jreferee (talk) 16:29, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Help on Two Topics

Hello, and thanks.

First, I'm trying to use the live chat and my computer won't allow me to type anything on the screen. Any suggestions as to the problem.

Secondly and more importantly, I need help on trying to move a thoroughly edited article out of my Sandbox. Could you advise me on this or send me to the right spot.

Thanks so much. Beth — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeberlin (talk • contribs) 17:05, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

I cannot help you with the chat, but I have place the Articles for Creation template on your page. When you are ready for the article to be reviewed, you can press the button .

Before you do so, you should probably look at WP:CITE and get the footnotes into a format that makes use of the Wiki markup. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 18:53, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

T. G. Shevchenko University

T. G. Shevchenko University is a double entry for a university that already has its own article (Shevchenko Transnistria State University). Can anyone help me with setting it up for the Articles for deletion list? --Rodislaw (talk) 17:17, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

That is NOT a good reason to delete an article, instead merge any useful content and then convert the page to a redirect. Any editor can do this, it doesn't require special rights. I see you have placed an AfD nomination. I urge you to withdraw it, because the redirect can't be done as long as the afd discussion is open. DES ^(talk) 17:27, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Newbie Advice (Please Help ?)

Hi folks,

I have just created a page entitled 'Monsterjazzlicks'. I had some questions and emailed Wiki at the beginning of the week but have as yet not received a reply. So I thought I would post my questions on the Forum. I am a rather basic user of computers and so need some help with setting up a few things please. I have read thru some of the previous threads here but either I can't find a solution or I am not able to follow the instructions.

So firstly, I would like to upload a couple of photos to the page. I can see the icon (I think) relevant to this task, however I do not understand how to upload the JPEG file(s) and place an incline on the page.

Ideally I would like my site-name to read 'monsterjazzlicks' but I believe the first character must start with a capital letter. Though I did read that it is possible to set it (in this instance) with a lower-case 'm' on my Profile Page. Again, I can not seem to make this work and so I wondered if anyone might be kind enough to take a quick check to see how it reads please.

Many thanks in advance for any assistance offered.

Best,

Paul David Seaman — Preceding unsigned comment added by Monsterjazzlicks (talk • contribs) 18:05, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Paul, you seem to be laboring under a rather grievous misapprehension. User:Monsterjazzlicks is your user page: the place where you tell us who Paul Seaman a/k/a monsterjazzlicks is and why he is editing here. It's not a "site": Wikipedia is not Facebook or MySpace or any kind of social medium where you set up a "site" for or about yourself. Does that make anything clearer? --Orange Mike | Talk 18:34, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

With regard to your question about images, you may find Wikipedia:Images helpful. Note that Wikipedia can only accept images for which you are the copyright holder* and for which you wish to license the images for free public and commercial use. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 18:40, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

*under very specific conditions, some copyright materials can be used, but generally not for living people

There are, i think, several misunderstandings here. Wikipedia is an online encyclopedia, it is not a social networking site. (See what Wikipedia is not.) The User page associated with your account (often called "your user page", but it isn't really "yours"), which is Monsterjazzlicks, is not "your site". It is intended to identify you and give some information about you that may be useful when others work with you on developing the encyclopedia. It should not be an online resume. It may be unwise to list your exact date of birth, as this can make identity theft easier, but that is up to you.

You can change your signature in your preferences to use a lowercase letter. You can enter this ins the "signature" section of the "User profile" tab of the preferenes page.

To upload files you must be "autoconfirmed" This means that you must have been registered for at least 4 days and made at least 10 edits. You may only upload images and other files that have been released under a free license, except in some very narrow cases. This means that you must have created the image yourself, or the creator or copyright holder must have released it so that anyone in the world may use it for any purpose, and may make modified versions of it. See Wikipedia:File_Upload_Wizard. DES ^(talk) 18:44, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi guys,

Thanks very much indeed for the kind replies.

i am really not quite sure how/where to REPLY so i hope that this method is correct !! Apologies if not.

It says that i am not able to upload a photograph until i have been a member for (i think) four days.

Ta,

Paul — Preceding unsigned comment added by Monsterjazzlicks (talk • contribs) 00:15, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

You need to be an autoconfirmed user before you can upload photos. To become an autoconfirmed user you need to be a user for 4 days and have at least 10 edits. WP:AUTOC XFEM Skier (talk) 00:21, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Skier,

When you say i need to make 10 x edits, do you mean i need to have made 10 x edits to my own page, or 10 x edits (as in 'corrections') to other contribution here on Wikipedia ??

i managed to get my username to have a lowercase first letter on my own page !! Cheers.

Ta,

Paul

18:27, 9 November 2013 RHaworth (talk | contribs) deleted page Jonathan Smith (music producer) (A7: does not indicate the importance or significance of the subject)

The so called "importance or significance of the subject" is self explanatory through the article. Wikipedia staff should feel a shame for allowing a deletion of this nature to stand as valid.

Despite all of Jonathan Smith's EMMY Award Winning Achievements as it relates to his being recognized as one of Go-Go Music's Founding Father's (Instrumental in the shaping of Go-Go Music, Washington, DC's Indigenous Music Genre) having produced at one time or another (over the course of over 28 years) ALL of the DC's Major Rap Artist and Go-Go Musicians). "Jonathan Smith (music producer)" is recognized and HIGHLY respected as the primary activist and Inner City Youth Advocate who was the Primary Individual Responsible for having had a major impact on stemming Washington, D.C.'s (which is only 37 mile wide) Street Violence and YOUTH on YOUTH Homicides during the 90's wherein over 400 Inner City Youth had been killed (Gun Downed) in less than ONE YEAR from drug and Gang related violence when Mr. Smith devised and implemented a plan to bring the killing to an end. Although the killing did not stop completely (and was not expected to have), Smith's novel idea of bring together all of DC's Most Notable Musicians & Rappers (Respected by all of the Gangs) together (for the first and only time since) for the Stop The Violence LP And Music Video (The first Go-Go Video Production to air on MTV) "D.C. Don't Stand For Dodge City". His historically significant musical production was instrumental in casting a bright light on the issue which had been left ignored (because it was embarrassing to be happening in our Nation's Capital). The WASHINGTON POST article on Smith and his "D.C. Don't Stand For Dodge City" Featuring All of DC's National and Internationally Recognized Musicians was in fact Extremely SIGNIFICANT in awakening the City, Legislators and Nation to the Horrific Circumstance! ([SEE: Wikipedia.org Article: Go-Go Subheading Violence] While go-go's international profile was on the rise in the 1980s, go-go clubs in D.C. were acquiring a reputation for violence. In 1988, an all-star go-go band dubbed the Go-Go Posse recorded "D.C. Don't Stand for Dodge City," conceived, written, and produced by the "I Hear Ya Records" production team of Jonathan Smith, Mitch Bebbs, and Derral Johnson (also known as JJ&J) as an attempt to raise awareness and stop the violence.)

WHY WIKIPEDIA SHOULD BE A SHAME FOR ALLOWING THE Jonathan Smith (Music Producer) deletion to stand.

The problem has always been that situations "of this nature" and other important historical accomplishment of many Blacks is often Judged by individuals (like RHaworth who deleted the article) who are completely Non-qualified to speak or write on anything on behalf of or regarding the Significance of such achievements within the Black Community! The editor of the article (RHaworth) has Absolutely NO understanding of what is or what is not SIGNIFICANT when it come to elements withing the Black American Experience and his edits should be more closely scrutinized in that he hay very well be deleting other important articles related to our culture.

Another major problem and my objection with RHaworth's and Wikipedia's arbitrary deletion of the Jonathan Smith (Music Producer) article is that it is just another example of the Devaluation and Marginalization of the value of our "Inner City Youth's" Lives. There is no doubt what so ever in the fact that if White Children were the youth being Killed in one City at a rate and number more than that of U.S. Troops in War Zones, our citizen's would be OUTRAGED! And if someone (a notable award winning music pioneer) were to have devise a means which Drastically reduce the Youth on Youth Killings (Remember: We're talking OVER 400 in less than one year), that individual would be considered heroic. I'm certain the (Jonathan Smith (music producer)) article would not have been deleted as being considered: I N S I G N I F I C A N T "! And it's such a shame that humanity has not yet come far enough along that this sort of thing (and it being allowed to occur) is no longer so commonplace. Cantthinkofonetouse (talk) 18:28, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

The same criteria apply to all article subjects. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 18:32, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

@Cantthinkofonetouse: Wow, way to rant and to make presumptuous and condescending claims about who is "qualified" to write an article about the black community. I haven't seen the article, (because it has been deleted,) but I can say from experience that it is not uncommon for editors to write well-intentioned articles about significant people, then present the information so poorly as to leave readers in doubt as to the significance of the subject. Is there a possibility that this was the case here? After all, saying the article "does not indicate the importance or significance of the subject" is not the same thing as saying "the subject is not important or significant". If you think you want to take a stab at improving the article, you can ask the deleting admin to put the article in your userspace so you can improve it and resubmit it. But yelling at Wikipedia isn't going to accomplish anything. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:00, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Cantthinkofonetouse did you try to calmly discuss this with RHaworth prior to coming here and complaining? If you did and you don't agree with the out come then the next step is to ask for reconsideration at deletion review. GB fan 20:09, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Problem with disambiguating a name with Vietnamese diacritics

When searching for pages that link to Le Chat, I found this article Lê Văn Duyệt. It links to Le Chat, but it mentions that he was Lê Văn Duyệt's deputy. I don't think this Lê Văn Duyệt person had a Belgian cartoon cat as his deputy. A Google search returned a link to a Google Books page that shows that this Le Chat person's name is properly written with some Vietnamese diacritics. Unfortunately I don't know any Vietnamese, and anyway that language is famous for its multitude of different diacritics, misspelling which can change the whole meaning of the words. So how am I supposed to disambiguate the link properly? JIP | Talk 18:40, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

As we don't have an article on the Le Chat you are referring to, I'm not sure why it needs disambiguating. Disambiguation pages are an index of articles, not a definition of every meaning of a word. If you are writing a new article Le Chat (politician) might be suitable - many WP users cannot, or do not know how to, enter diacritics - assuming they know what the correct diacritics are. Arjayay (talk) 18:49, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

It needs disambiguating because the link was going to the wrong place. The link Le Chat goes to a Belgian cartoon cat, not to a Vietnamese politician. If Le Chat had been a redlink itself then it would have been fine. Anyway I've now changed the link to Le Chat (politician). JIP | Talk 18:52, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Ah sorry, I now understand - but as we don't have an article on Le Chat (politician), and the red-link is unlikely to suddenly encourage someone to write one on an 1789 Vietnamese deputy, it would probably be easier just to delink it. Arjayay (talk) 18:59, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Mirror problem?

Where is the the right place to report this? If you find a mirror website that has text that may be of concern, what is the best place to go to? The website is Digplanet (example page provided). Look at the end. Or is this nothing of concern? Simply south...... cooking letters for just 7 years 19:47, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

I believe, per WP:REUSE this is ok. They attribute the content of the page back to the wikipedia article it's taken from. CaptRik (talk) 19:51, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

The only issue I see is this statement at the bottom. "Copyright © 2009-2013 Digparty. All rights reserved." because only some rights are reserved on that page because of the SA portion of the Creative commons license (CC-BY-SA) used on Wikipedia, but as it is a mirror that directs you back to the free (as in freedom) source it is should be fine. If they were making derivatives and not allowing people to use is that would be a violation however. XFEM Skier (talk) 20:13, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

The part which I thought might be of concern was "A portion of the proceeds from advertising on Digplanet goes to supporting Wikipedia.". Simply south...... cooking letters for just 7 years 20:35, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

I don't see why that would be an issue. Commercial use is allowed and company are free to donate money to Wikipedia. Or is the concern with the use of Wikipedia. XFEM Skier (talk) 21:57, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Google show that statement in wide use.[4] This page at digplanet.com links to http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate, but does not expressly say that proceeds from advertising on Digplanet goes to the Wikimedia Foundation. Digplanet does not seem to have a specific interest in any particular topic, so any donated money probably is going to the Wikimedia Foundation rather than some place else. -- Jreferee (talk) 14:13, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Submitting a word and definition

What are the steps for me to follow to submit a word and definition to be added to Wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.174.192.164 (talk) 21:01, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a dictionary. You should not submit a "word and definition". However if you can write an actual article about the concept or topic, and if that subject is notable and can be supported by citations to reliable sources then you may draft such an article. I suggest the use of articles for creation. DES ^(talk) 21:08, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Also, Wiktionary actually is a dictionary, so you might want to look there instead. Cheers! Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 21:11, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Do have a look at WP:NEOLOGISM though. If this word already exists and expresses a notable concept, thst's fine. If t's a new word you've invented yourself, it's probably not suitable for Wikipedia. - Karenjc (talk) 08:09, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

sandbox

The following message is listed in sandbox:

======================== Reviewer tools[show]

Warning: This page should probably be located at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/ School of Music of Indiana State University (move). ========================

Do I need to move my page?

Thanks Myisuwikiaccount (talk) 22:05, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

According to the page history "Anne Delong moved page User:Myisuwikiaccount/sandbox to Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/ School of Music of Indiana State University: Preferred location for AfC submissions)" so it looks as if the suggested move was done more than 2 weeks ago. Anne Delong is one of the regulars at articles for creation. DES ^(talk) 22:14, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

The space after "Articles for creation/" confused a template. I have moved the page to remove the space and the message disappeared. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:32, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, I guess that was my error. Sometimes those little spaces are hard to see. —Anne Delong (talk) 04:30, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Harold Naughton

Hi, I just literally spent 1.5 hours trying to upload an image onto your page because I am HORRIBLE at computers, but then when I got home someone had taken it down. I am literally on the verge of tears. I was so proud and now it's just gone.

I re-uploaded the image on this page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Naughton,_Jr.

PLEASE don't take it down. I know there was a copy right problem, but we are government employees. He is my boss and we are members of the government and have absolutely no problem with you using the work of our Commonwealth.

I'm literally begging.

-Laura — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lauracrowleygirl (talk • contribs) 23:20, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Harold Naughton, Jr. This article has an image, one that appears to be suitably copyright & license compliant. Are you trying to use a different one?-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 23:32, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Laura, as far as I can tell, you have correctly uploaded the image and placed it in the article. And it's a good image, thank you. (And I accept TheRedPenOfDoom's assurance that you have got all the tedious copyright stuff right.) The article is titled Harold Naughton, Jr., not Harold Naughton, Jr without the period/full stop – this would not matter to humans, but it matters to computers, and we all have to learn to cope with that. Maproom (talk) 23:42, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Log/Lauracrowleygirl confirms that you uploaded a deleted image commons:File:Hnaughton.jpg. And you did include the ending period in the url above, but our software omitted it when interpreting the url. We avoid such issues by making wikilinks like [[Harold Naughton, Jr.]] which produces Harold Naughton, Jr.. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:29, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

November 14

Putting contact details on Wikipedia

hi there I am going to create an article about a writer known to me. I suspect he will want to have contact details such as his email address or phone number included in the article. Is this acceptable practice? many thanks Fiona Stocker (talk) 00:34, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

No. Absolutely not (see here for more detail). Bfigura ^(talk) 00:35, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

No. See here: "articles should not include postal addresses, e-mail addresses, telephone numbers, or other contact information for living persons, though links to websites maintained by the subject are generally permitted". And if you are creating an article about someone you know, see the Wikipedia conflict of interest guidelines. AndyTheGrump (talk) 00:41, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Before writing the article, you may want to confirm that the person is notable first. Dismas|^(talk) 02:37, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

And both of you should be aware of our positions on conflict of interest and on neutral point of view. --Orange Mike | Talk 02:41, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

advertisment?

What do I do if i've read all the policies for an article that is violating to be an advertisement, and I still don't agree with it and do not understand why it is considered an advertisement when all i did was update the facts. (I did not use any adjectives that may contradict advertising the subject.) Yoonchip (talk) 01:09, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

to add, could I just delete the banner that indicates its an advertisment? or is that a violation too. Yoonchip (talk) 01:12, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Can you link to the article you are talking about? GB fan 01:26, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

The OP is likely referring to LG Display since that has the advertisement tag and it's the last article they've edited. Dismas|^(talk) 02:35, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Other editors have removed most of the advertising content: "Main Products" lists, links to press releases, and the like, which have no place in an article like this. Your edits would lead the reader to suspect that you work for LG Display in some marketing capacity, Yoonchip. --Orange Mike | Talk 02:46, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

thanks everyone!! Yoonchip (talk) 05:04, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Nomination deletion for Al Allen Schwartz 208.185.19.114 (talk) 01:38, 14 November 2013 (UTC) I am confused..I was contacted by NatalieN

Al (Allen) Schwartz (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

I would like to respond to NatalieN. I do not want to have my biographaical material deleted I do not know how to respond to requests regarding problems with my information...How do I provide linqs... how do I verify included information...I need somoeone to talk to ...to assist me in making the needed corrections...I do not know how to reach NatalieN. or anyother editor... Can someone help me?

Al Allen Schwartz 208.185.19.114 (talk) 01:38, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

I think you mean User:MelanieN. I'll ask her to respond here. AndyTheGrump (talk) 01:46, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Al! Thanks for your note. I was the one who suggested deleting your article, because it does not seem to meet Wikipedia standards for notability. The problem with your article is that it does not currently have significant coverage by independent reliable sources. Things like IMDb and blogs are not considered reliable sources. Ironically, even your own personal statements about your biography are not enough, because they are not independent. When I searched Google News Archive for coverage, I found you mentioned in many news stories, but only mentioned; I could not find significant coverage. But here is what I will do: let's move this conversation to my talk page. (Click on "talk" after my signature.) If you can show me some actual significant coverage from independent reliable sources, I will re-evaluate. If the sources are good enough, I will add them to your article and withdraw my nomination. Meanwhile, you can post your own comments and objections at the discussion about your article, which is here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Al (Allen) Schwartz. Good luck! --MelanieN (talk) 02:44, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

By the way, you should log in when you comment. Then we can see your signature instead of just an anonymous number. --MelanieN (talk) 02:46, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Later: some of the people at the discussion are coming up with good sources. I'm pretty sure we will be able to save your article. Talk to me. --MelanieN (talk) 03:17, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Reviews

I've received notifications that a couple of pages I created have been "reviewed", which presumably refers to peer reviews, but clicking on the notification only takes me to the article. So how do I actually see the reviews, in case the have constructive criticism? Yellow Mage (talk) 02:33, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

We don't work that way. All "review" means is that some harmless drudge like myself has taken a look at them and not noticed any totally horrible problems that would prohibit the continued existence of those articles in this Wikipedia. If you're lucky, they may have added some tags suggesting ways in which the articles (not "pages", by the way) could be improved. --Orange Mike | Talk 02:50, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

There is a process where you can request another volunteer editor to come look at your article, see the instructions: WP:PR. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 04:16, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Help needed.

• LG Display (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

I want to know if its okay for a certain user to bully someone by deleting and being unreasonable. They may be reasonable, but don't i deserve an explanation? I've clearly asked why the user deleted my edit for being an advertisement because clearly, I did not understand WHY. .............are users allowed to be so rude? This is what the user wrote back to me.

"I deleted materials because Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and not a free webhost for advertisements for your employer. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 04:40, 14 November 2013 (UTC) Just because something is a "fact" does not mean it is appropriate for a encyclopedia article. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 04:42, 14 November 2013 (UTC) If your company wants to list its products on the web, they can build their own damn website, but you have no say over what appears in the Wikipedia article. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 04:51, 14 November 2013 (UTC)"

-- Yoonchip (talk) 04:58, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Is this the edit of TheRedPenOfDoom to which you are referring? I think the 04:51, 14 November 2013 post above needs some clarification as it is not how TRPoD normally replies. -- Jreferee (talk) 05:19, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi @Yoonchip: Let's not throw around the word "bully" as if it were a fact, because all users, including you, have to assume good faith of other users. The frustration you seem to be feeling is one of the reasons why we discourage people who have a close relationship with a subject to edit articles, because they tend to get personally tied-up in the content, and sometimes forget that this is a community project, not a personal project. Of the last few edits I saw from TRPoD, I noticed the removal of WP:PEACOCK phrases such as "one of the world's largest" TRPoD also removed unnecessary detail about the vastness of variety of displays produced by LG Display. "Wide range" might be perceived as subjective phrasing. TRPoD also made the lead a little more succinct. As to the removal of the "Key technology and products" section, it might be best to ask TRPoD what the justification was, but I could see an argument being made for it being an indiscriminate product list, which could be perceived as promotional, particularly if there is no context for understanding why these products are "key". Monitor panel wattage, for example, seems a bit strange to include in an article about a company. Further, information has to be significant and provided from reliable independent sources. See WP:42 Hope that helps. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 05:21, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

(e/c) Hey Yoonchip. The edits you made did read as quite promotional and more importantly, they were blatant copyright violations of this. Accordingly, I have reverted much deeper to cleanse the article of that problem. The response you received is hostile. I can't speak for TRPoD but we do spend so much time dealing with a never ending tide of advertising, spamming, casual copyvios and the like that people can get a bit raw around the edges. By the way, if you're going to bring up the conduct of a specific user somewhere, you should inform them. I will do so by linking the user's name at the end of this post. @TheRedPenOfDoom:--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 05:23, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Thank you all for the kind explanation. I now understand why some parts may seem like an advertisment or promotional, like all of you have explained to me, but for some parts im still being confused, and I clearly asked TRPoD for an explanation and the above answer was what I got fromi it. All i needed was a explanation to an edit I made. Thanks. Yoonchip (talk) 05:29, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

BTW, YEs, Thats how TRPoD replied to me, if you want to check, please go ahead and see that Talk page. User:TheRedPenofDoom — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yoonchip (talk • contribs) 05:33, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

I dont feel the need to be very kind to someone who asks a question [5] , gets 2 answers [6] [7] and then proceeds to ignore them both [8] . -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 05:48, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

And you should note that the media has been covering the conflict of interest editing at Wikipedia quite a bit lately- LG would probably not be very happy if that media spotlight started shining them. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 05:57, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

is translating a sentence possible in Wiki?

is translating a sentence possible in Wiki? Whether I can find out the language of a particular text? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.62.74.194 (talk) 07:45, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

I am not sure what you mean by "in Wiki". There are thousands of web sites that use Wiki software to allow users to edit their pages, Wikipedia is just one of them. And Wikipedia has many language versions: this page in part of English Wikipedia. No part of Wikipedia does translation. Maybe you could tell us the URL of the sentence you want translated, and someone here could advise you what language it is in. Maproom (talk) 08:13, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Google Translate will detect the source language of most langauges if the language is not known. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:27, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Visual I uploaded is not embedded

I uploaded an image yesterday to Wikipedia Commons. The image is a satellite imagery loop over the Colorado area during the 2013 Colorado Flooding. It can be accessed HERE.

The image is not embedded like a similar visual seen to the right.

any thoughts on why this is happening? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonathanhoffmann225 (talk • contribs) 07:54, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

I observe that the image visible to the right is specified as "File:Typhoon_Haiyan_2013_making_landfall.gif", and is at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Typhoon_Haiyan_2013_making_landfall.gif. But the image you want to use is at https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/16/Water_Vapor_Systems_Seen_From_GOES-15_and_GOES-13_Satellites%2C_12_September_2013.gif. I don't know how to use an image like that, with no "File:", and more path after "commons". Maybe someone else does? Maproom (talk) 10:14, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

The correct link is Commons:File:Water Vapor Systems Seen From GOES-15 and GOES-13 Satellites, 12 September 2013.gif but that isn't loading for me at the moment. It might be because the file is nearly 10MB. Bencherlite^Talk 11:02, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

See commons:Category:Animated gifs exceeding the 12.5MP limit. The category is added manually so your image isn't currently in it. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:08, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Water Vapor Systems Seen From GOES-15 and GOES-13 Satellites 12 September 2013Reduced

Try uploading it to a different page, but without the comma "," in the page name, such "Water_vapor_systems_animation_over_western_North_America_on_12_September_2013" or, even better, "WaterVaporSystemsAnimationOverWesternNorthAmerica12September2013". -- Jreferee (talk) 13:48, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

That won't help. The problem is the 12.5 MP limit. The image is 1385 × 932 pixels × 23 frames ≈ 30 MP. It should display a single frame but doesn't even do that for some reason. Reduce the resolution and upload again. With 23 frames there should be room for 898 × 604 pixels. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:49, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Oh - MP, not MB. I saw "1,385 × 932 pixels, file size: 9.8 MB, MIME type: image/gif, looped, 23 frames, 6.9 s" and thought 9.8 was less than 12.5. -- Jreferee (talk) 14:56, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

@Jonathanhoffmann225: I chopped the file way down and now it works. I did it on a different location but can upload it to the orginal and then request a deletion of mine or is there a way to merge image files. XFEM Skier (talk) 20:57, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

How to upload images

Hi,

I am trying to upload images but this is a true puzzle!

I do not understand how by writing File:Example.jpg|Caption1 this can help me? I type into the EXAMPLE section the name of the photo but nothing happens when I try and look at the preview. How can one paste an image? or what is the right way to do so? step by step? sorry for being ignorant.

Thanks, Neil Huddyhuddy (talk) 08:43, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

You have uploaded an image Leon_Paweł_Marchlewski.jpg to English Wikipedia. (There may be a copyright problem there. You have claimed the image as your own work; but it is a picture of a Polish document dated 1927, which I assume is not your own work. I know nothing about Polish copyright law, but it may be that for works created after 1922, they remain the copyright of the creator until 70 years after the creator's death.) It might have been better, assuming that there is really no copyright problem, to have uploaded it to Wikimedia Commons instead, so as to allow it to be used in all language versions of Wikipedia, not just English Wikipedia.

You then tried to add the image to Leon Marchlewski, but you got the filename wrong. You edited what you had done, and got the filename right, but you left off the extension ".jpg", so it still didn't work. Then User:Phil_Bridger saw what you had done, and fixed the link so that it worked. The image is now visible in the article.

I hope you won't be disheartened by this. Uploading and using an image for the first time is really difficult, and you got almost all the way there by yourself. You will find it much easier next time – I hope you will use your newly-learned skills! Maproom (talk) 09:24, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

As their edits to Leon Marchlewski were back in February, I suspect the editor may be trying to do something else - especially with the phrase "Paste" an image. Huddyhuddy - where is the image you are trying to use? on your computer, on Wikipedia or on Wikimedia Commons? Arjayay (talk) 09:32, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Picture tutorial explains how to insert pictures into Wikipedia articles using wikitext. -- Jreferee (talk) 13:31, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Jaffa–Jerusalem railway

Reference help requested. I cannot identify the problem. How shoud I proceed? Thanks, Grid1312 (talk) 10:46, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

See WP:REFB. If you put the reference next to what it is being used to cite, the error message will not be valid. For now, I have removed it, but it is still visible if you click "edit". --Mdann52talk to me! 11:13, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Your problem was that you had <ref>...</ref> tags after the {{reflist}} template. The {{reflist}} needs to come after all the <ref>...</ref> tags. - David Biddulph (talk) 11:18, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

The edit in question is this one and the very bottom of the page showed the error in read. Another problem with the edit was that when an editor used cite id="refMerrill" to cite the "The Jaffa and Jerusalem Railway" reference, your "Current Flow" reference piggy backed on to that usage, which was fixed.[9] -- Jreferee (talk) 13:22, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Can I have an opt-in please for the feedback tool for 1 article ?

Here is says "On the English Wikipedia, it was disabled (made OPT-IN) on March 5, 2013, following an RfC.". Please can an administrator apply the feedback tool to abuse only. I think it will be useful in helping decide if the article needs structural changes.--Penbat (talk) 14:03, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Comment 17 by Nemo here notes "AFT is on all pages, first in the toolbox and then with the usual box at the bottom after one click." Per Wikipedia:Article Feedback Tool/Version 5, simply click "Enable feedback" in the column to the left of the article under the "Tools" heading (Tools>Enable feedback) to enable feedback on articles you are working on. I tried it for Eutricha capensis and it brought up a change protection level for "Eutricha capensis" page, with one option being "Article feedback" which shows "Disable for all users" (likely by default). The feedback took generally was turned off for all articles due to abuse. There is Category:Article Feedback Blacklist, but there probably should be a category for articles where the Article Feedback option has been turned so editors can review it for abuse. I don't see anything at Wikipedia:Article Feedback/Help about how to opt-in or what it means. Perhaps Nemo or Nemo bis can explain the opt-in option. -- Jreferee (talk) 14:34, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I switched on feedback on abuse and it just asks did you find what you were looking for and prompts you to enter a comment. What i had in mind was basically just the star rating info for trustworthy, objective, complete, well-written as it used to have before March. --Penbat (talk) 15:17, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

From looking through Wikipedia talk:Article Feedback Tool/Version 5 it seems that the stars were dropped in the change from v4 to v5 of the feedback system and that there was much controversy over the whole thing. DES ^(talk) 16:05, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

It all seems a sham to me. I found the star system in V4 to be useful. It was harmless and innocuous. The controversy seems to be centered on the ability in V5 to enter feedback comments which is pretty much what the talk page does and therefore fairly pointless. BRING BACK VERSION 4.--Penbat (talk) 16:30, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

I have no strong views on the matter myself. Such a change would have to be done by the Wikimedia Foundation developers. They might act if a significant nubmer of editors here asked them to, but they seem convinced that v5 is an improvement over v4. I think that Wikipedia:Article Feedback Tool and its talk page and subpages is probably the place to raise the matter. DES ^(talk) 17:13, 14 November 2013 (UTC);l

serial number or VIN for vehicle prior to 1980

I have been told that Wikipeda has a list of serial numbers or VIN for vehicle prior to 1980. Can you help me find that list??15:12, 14 November 2013 (UTC)~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.209.93.36 (talk)

That sounds like some kind of misunderstanding or urban legend; Wikipedia is not a directory service, and that kind of things is not appropriate content for an encyclopedia. --Orange Mike | Talk 15:59, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

I thought "no way" also, but I think maybe what you heard about was the books at our sister site, Wikibooks, in Category:Vehicle Identification Numbers (VIN codes), and maybe the articles that were deleted at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/VIN Codes. There's one article still here: Porsche VIN numbers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:11, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Allan Sharpe and Fifth Estate Theatre Company

Could someone please review my latest articles. They are both connected. Many thanks, Gomach (talk) 15:50, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

They both look pretty good to me – but I know nothing about drama. I think it would help if, in the list of plays, you italicised the actual names of the plays, so as to distinguish them from the following text. Maproom (talk) 17:48, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Many thanks, plays italicised. Gomach (talk) 17:58, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

I have made several comments on the sourcing at Talk:Allan Sharpe DES ^(talk) 18:06, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Biographical articles on wikipedia

Hello, I am relatively new to editing here. 1. I wanted to know if a personality's personal website or blog can act as a reference source for his page on Wikipedia? For example, if his personal website mentions that a person is doing charity, can that be mentioned in his wiki entry? 2. Also, I am concerned that some biography pages have a particular editor (the same user or ip address) who removes any neutral referenced information, and adds only a particular perspective. I doubt that it may be the case of a conflict of interest from the editor, as these accounts work only for maintaining a single page. Msec109 (talk) 15:52, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

What we call "self-published sources", i.e. sites and blogs controlled by the subject, are not generally considered reliable sources, as people naturally tend to want to make themselves look good. As to the other: we hold fairly strict standards for biographies of living persons. The best place to address these matters, at least to start, is on the talk page of the article in question. --Orange Mike | Talk 16:03, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Many thanks, will do that. And I was talking in context of this user, ip-address and article. I was sceptic about this user's identity as his/her only contributions have been writing non-neutral and unreferenced stuff about a single personality. Msec109 (talk) 16:43, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

There is a term "SPA", or "Single-Purpose Account", for editors who are here not to help improve Wikipedia but to promote (or sometimes discredit) a single person or organisation. Maproom (talk) 17:31, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Sometimes, personal websites are used for early life biography information (date of birth, mom and dad's name, elementary and high school attended, a childhood interest that has some relevance to their adult notability). All the other information should come from reliable sources (think newspaper articles, books, and magazine articles) that are independent of the topic. The K. D. Singh (politician) article is more of a -- I'm not sure we have a name for it -- a hit piece? than a biography. I'll add a request at WP:BLPN to take a look. -- Jreferee (talk) 03:11, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

A

Hi,

I registered an account on wikidata but not with the same user name as on wikipedia (though with the same email--I just wasn't thinking when I made an account). Then I thought I'd link it with the unified login but it's showing linked accounts already and it says my home wiki is ru.wikipedia and that is definitely not right (and if I try to unify I get an invalid password message), though there does seem to be a user with my wikidata name there. Is there any way for me to make it work? If I login on wikipedia then I get en.wikipedia as my home page.

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mcsmom (talk • contribs) 16:00, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

What is the Wikidata username? Is it OK if Mcsmom becomes your unified name? Unified login requires that the same username is used. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:55, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Mcsmom is fine, the name on wikidata is Elin. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mcsmom (talk • contribs) 20:55, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

wikidata:User:Elin has no edits. Accounts are not deleted but you can just abandon the account and use Mcsmom instead. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:18, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

The right to unified login goes to the wiki with the most edits. https://toolserver.org/~quentinv57/sulinfo/Elin shows that is the Russian Wikipedia where the name has 64 edits. If you wanted Elin as unified login then you would have to make more than 64 edits at one wiki, but after that you would also have to request usurpation at all wikis where the username is already registered and you want it. The English Wikipedia is one of them. You already have the unified login for Mcsmom, noone else have registered accounts with that name, and noone can when you have the unified login for it. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:28, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

information about footwear sole

i couldn't find out the information about footwear sole i.e what is P.V.C. or EVA sole? what kind of contain its carry? what is the procedure of making such sole's? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.95.29.70 (talk) 16:46, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 4 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck.Template:Z25 - David Biddulph (talk) 16:55, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

I believe that the OP is, not without good reason, drawing attention to the paucity of our coverage of this topic at Shoe#Parts. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 00:53, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

EVA - Ethylene-vinyl acetate, P.V.C. Polyvinyl chloride. P.V.C. or EVA sole: Google books search. -- Jreferee (talk) 03:00, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Uploading images while edit

Hi,

I am trying to upload images but this is a true puzzle!

I do not understand how by writing File:Example.jpg|Caption1 this can help me? I type into the EXAMPLE section the name of the photo but nothing happens when I try and look at the preview. How can one paste an image? or what is the right way to do so? step by step? sorry for being ignorant.

Thanks, Neil — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.19.81.58 (talk) 17:00, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

You may wish to read the answers to the identical question asked earlier today, at #How to upload images. - David Biddulph (talk) 17:06, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

It would be easier for us to help you if you would

• Always sign in before you do any editing. Earlier, you signed in as User:Huddyhuddy.
• Sign your postings here, and to talk pages, by writing four tildes "~~~~" at the end of them.

Then we could see what you have been trying to do. Maproom (talk) 17:43, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict)On the off chance that this IP and the previous registered user are the same person, I posted a talk-back message to the user's talk page so that they might learn that they have a response here instead of wherever they might think that they're going to get a response. Dismas|^(talk) 17:45, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

If you are trying to upload images, you need autoconfirmed status to do so, which means you have to:

1. Register an account and
2. Have your account be at least four days old and made 10 edits.

If however you are simply trying to put an image on a page, then type [[File:ImageNameGoesHere.jpg]]. For more complex syntax, you can see WP:FILE or WP:EIS. Darylgolden^(talk) 06:02, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion

Dear editors: I have been working for about 30 minutes so far, following the instructions and trying to nominate a page for deletion. At times I needed three tabs open at once on my browser in order to read the instructions, copy complicated text and edit summaries, substitute the file pathname, etc. I'm only part way through the process - no wonder we have so many pages that should be deleted but haven't been. At any rate, it didn't work, and now I have no idea how to fix the problem, which you can see at the top of the list on the above page. I have two questions: (1) How do I repair what is probably some missing brackets on a page I can't find, and (2) Is there no more streamlined process to get rid of an old sandbox draft? —Anne Delong (talk) 17:49, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

If you turn on Twinkle in your preferences, a handy menu appears at the top of every article that allows you to choose a deletion option. After that, it's just a few clicks and entering a reason for deletion. Dismas|^(talk) 17:52, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

• (edit conflict)Hey, Anne! I think I've fixed it. You're right, the problem was missing brackets, but the missing brackets were on the MfD discussion for the article, not the general MFD page. The thing is that what you do on the general page is transclude the discussion page onto it, so that anything that's on the discussion page gets inserted into the general page. That's why it looked like the missing brackets were on the general page when they were actually on the discussion page. Here's the diff of the fix, for future reference. As for easier ways to do it, Twinkle should take care of all this for you, but other than that, I don't think so. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 17:55, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

• Thanks. I already have Twinkle; I keep finding out more things that it will do. May I respectfully suggest an addition to the MFD instructions to the effect that there is a less labour intensive process available? I realized that it was a transclusion problem, but couldn't work out how to get to the right page. —Anne Delong (talk) 18:05, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Looking for feedback/advice about Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Bhargav Sri Prakash

Hi, I would greatly appreciate any help or feedback for the article I am creating/editing. I am a nutritionist and health-ed teacher with an interest in education technology/startups/silicon valley innovation etc.

Thanks,

(Chippadum (talk) 17:54, 14 November 2013 (UTC))

I have changed the URL in your question to a wikilink. - David Biddulph (talk) 18:19, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

It comes across as promotional waffle. The references that I followed did nothing to indicate that he is notable. It would help if you removed most of the references, then readers could more easily find the ones that to indicate his notability (if there are any). References like this just make the article look even less convincing. Maproom (talk) 18:43, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

It rteads like a resume or a speaker's entry in a conference program, not an encyclopedia article. Too many primary sources, too many unreliable sources (esp social media) and passing mentions, to many minor events, not enough focus on what the person has done that is significant, and who considered it significant. Maproom had some good suggestions. DES ^(talk) 21:07, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Put your references in Template:Citation. Also, don't just use any website that mentions Bhargav Sri Prakash. Try only using books, magazine article, and newspaper articles for your sourcing. Facebook is not a reliable source. Also, per WP:LEAD, the lead paragraph should be a summary of the body of the article, so you should not need footnoted in the lead paragraph. You also are using wp:original research to write your article. You personally identify him as an inventor then try to prove it by linking to his patents. Just summarize what the source material says and don't worry about describing Bhargav Sri Prakash how you personally think Bhargav Sri Prakash should be described. A biography basically has two sections - early life and career. The article instead highlights "Entrepreneurship" (which is WP:POV) and Public Speaking. He makes his money by owning a company. A reason to highlight his public speaking by placing it as one of two subsections is to use Wikipedia to advertise that Bhargav Sri Prakash is available to speak "at your next event." Bhargav Sri Prakash obviously spent much time in everything he does to become so accomplished. How do you think Bhargav Sri Prakash would feel about the effort that went into learning and complying with Wikipedia's only three core content policies to present Bhargav Sri Prakash to the world through Wikipedia? -- Jreferee (talk) 02:40, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for the detailed feedback! I only heard Bhargav Sri Prakash at two different conferences recently and hence do not know any thing about his early life or career. I have used his bio in the conference program at the Bloomberg Conference where he was a speaker and other sources I could find online, which is probably why it reads a lot like a conference program bio! I am however hoping this will be a start to documenting his ongoing contributions to nutrition education, for which I have a lot of passion and expertise. I will make the suggested changes and will circle back for any more suggestions. (Chippadum (talk) 07:21, 15 November 2013 (UTC))

Please note that you MUST NOT add to Wikipeida text which has been published elsewhere, unless it has been released under a free license. Even if it has been released, it is usually best to start with a blank slate for a Wikipedia article. A biographical article ought to describe in neutral, objective terms the life and accomplishments of the subject. It should NOT function as an advertisement for the subject, or for the subject's business, products, or services. "Early life" and "Career" are common divisions, but other patterns are possible. But all the information should be supported by reliable sources, preferably via citations to references. The various cite templates ({{cite web}}, {{cite news}}, {{cite book}}, etc) may be used for this purpose. DES ^(talk) 16:01, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Got it! Thanks again. I have written the article only from a blank slate and my goal is definitely not to create an advertisement. I am only writing original text based on news reported on reliable online by reputable sources such as Bloomberg News, The Hindu, VentureBeat, American City Business Journals etc. I will also try to add references per the cite templates. I would greatly appreciate your continued advice, as well as would really welcome any edits to my draft article itself. Thanks! (Chippadum (talk) 05:57, 16 November 2013 (UTC))

Removing links from footer

I have a link in the footer that links to a page about my organization.

I have removed all other links from the footer by putting a "-" in the contents.

When I try to delete the article that this link goes to, the article is deleted, but the link remains.

I need to remove this link. I've looked every where!

Help! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.162.202.3 (talk) 18:07, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

If you tell us which page you are trying to change, then we may be able to help. Your IP's contribution record shows no previous edits other than a rather impolite message on another IP's talk page. - David Biddulph (talk) 18:17, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

I cannot figure out your request. Are you talking about the What links here feature to the deleted article? The use of brackets [[]] to link pages? Is the link in the footer that links to a page about your organization a link to a URL external to Wikipedia or internal to Wikipedia? By putting a "-" in the footer content, are the footers now showing up as dashes instead of citing a source? -- Jreferee (talk) 02:18, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Search for sources used in WP

Hello. I want to find all the citations in WP where "Los Angeles Times" is used as a source. How would I do that? Yours, GeorgeLouis (talk) 20:10, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

That wouldn't be easy. You could search for the text "Los Angeles Times", but that would find mentions as well as citations, and wouldn't find citations via bare URLs. You could look through the what-links-here on Los Angeles Times, but that would again find wiki-linked mentions and would not find cites that didn't use a wiki-link. and both of those would probably be very large lists. You could also search for their web domain to find bare web links. Pruning each of these long lists to remove mentions that aren't cites and then combining them might give you something close to the result you want. I think it would take many hours of work. What is the purpose of such a request, anyway? DES ^(talk) 20:59, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Glad you asked. The Los Angeles Public Library has been allowing patrons to access its file of Los Angeles Times articles from their home computers—until just about six months ago. Now the LAPL requires patrons to go to a branch library to access the files. I have been in contact with the LAPL to rectify this situation. I have used this service from my home computer to a great extent over the past many years to help in writing Wikipedia articles. I thought that a list—or anyway a sampling—of such references might help persuade the LAPL of the utility and importance of restoring home access. (For them, it is a matter of cost. They have to make a new agreement with Proquest, and it appears that it would be very expensive for the city,) Sincerely, GeorgeLouis (talk) 22:35, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

@GeorgeLouis: It certainly is not a complete list, but this search (just as DES suggested) is a start as most of these I would think will be from citations. I don't know if there is any way to 1) make it only show one occurrence per article so you don't get an article with ten links showing up ten times, and 2) whether there is a way to restrict it to the mainspace. Maybe someone else can shed light.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:32, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

this search is the samew but 5000 at a time instead of 500. DES ^(talk) 00:02, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

This Google search may help - [10] Hack (talk) 07:59, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Need a page deteted asap

please help - created page a year ago ... lost password and login - orginal user name "doesnt exist" need to delete b/c brand changed name - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlo%C3%A9_comme_Parris — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lindsaytt (talk • contribs) 21:57, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

We don't need to delete the page just because the brand changed its name. We can move it so it has the new name. You should post the new name at Talk:Chloé comme Parris, preferably with a reference to a source confirming the information. Rojomoke (talk) 22:14, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

The article was created by User:Nancy423. After a Google search I have moved Chloé comme Parris to Beaufille and mentioned the name change with a reference. I also updated the link to the official site. They were foolish enough to let the old domain expire so now it's full of unrelated ads instead of redirecting. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:15, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

November 15

Wikipedia search function!

Sometimes when I use the search function, I get unsatisfactory results. For example: I typed in the city name of "Sedro-​Woolley, Washington".

I get the results window that says "The page "Sedro-​Woolley, Washington" does not exist. You can ask for it to be created, but consider checking the search results below to see whether the topic is already covered." Yet, the very first listing in the "search results below" is for "Sedro-Woolley, Washington". If there is any difference between 1) "Sedro-​Woolley, Washington" and 2) "Sedro-Woolley, Washington", I cannot see it. Two works in the search feature and one does not.

Frustrated,

Dave

75.85.105.221 (talk) 04:34, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Your dashes are different. Did you copy and paste in the search the first time from another location. If I search using a copy paste from your first post into a plain text editor it shows "Sedro-<200b>Woolley, Washington", so to computers those are different. I think if you clear your auto-completes from your browser and type in the search it should work properly for you. XFEM Skier (talk) 05:33, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

One of those searches contains a Non-breaking space. I can't fix it by creating a redirect since it requires an admin. Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 09:20, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Both above replies are a little inaccurate. The same normal hyphen-minus is used in both strings but the first contains a Zero-width space (not the same as a Non-breaking space) after the hyphen. You said I typed in the city name of "Sedro-​Woolley, Washington". Did you literally type on the keyboard? That string has the zero-width space which is sometimes added to pages by software but I would be surprised if it was added when you type with the keyboard in the search box. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:53, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Fort Hood Shooting

I didn"t see anything on Wikipedia about President Bush. While President Obama was addressing the post, President Bush was in Darnall and Metroplex hospitals visiting the wounded and families of the dead and wounded.

I'm a Navy veteran and was an Army wife living on post with my family when this occured. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.205.34.102 (talk) 05:15, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

If you have a source for that information, you might be able to find somewhere in the article about the Fort Hood shooting to place it. If you don't feel comfortable adding it yourself, you can certainly suggest it on the talk page for the article at Talk:Fort Hood shooting. Dismas|^(talk) 05:40, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Categorizing people with ambiguous birth years

I recently created the article Don Gorman, for whose subject I can't find a source for a year of birth. What we do have, however, is a source indicating that in 1996 he was aged 58. Working from a vague sense that this is how things are done I've included "(born 1937 or 1938)" in the lede. My question is, how do we categorize such an article? Presumably neither Category:1937 births nor Category:1938 births would be correct. Should it go straight into Category:1930s births? (but what if the years were 1939/1940?) Or Category:Year of birth missing (living people)? – Arms & Hearts (talk) 10:17, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

I would think if the source is good enough to rely on in the lead to give an exact "1937 or 1938", it's good enough for the category to be pegged as 1930s births. I know this is what we did for an FA where the year was also only know to a two year period in the same way (though it was 1910s). Not sure what to do if it it fell into the 1939 to 1940 gap. By the way, have you tried the 1940 census? If you know his father or mother's name and know or presume they were living in New Hampshire you would have a good bit of information to search with. Strike that. Apparently through NARA you can only search the 1930 census by name and need the location to search the 1940s, which wouldn't help here unless you located the parents in the 1930s, and used the same address to search the 1940s. I know there are third-party websites where you can search by name but I only know of pay sites. You can sign up for some for a one week free trial but they take down your credit card information and then you have to remember to cancel or they charge you automatically.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:44, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I've added it to the 1930s category. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 02:47, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Man Booker Prize

The logo on the Man Booker Prize page is very outdated is it possible for it to be changed to the current one: http://www.themanbookerprize.com/themes/manbooker/images/header/h_logo_official_large.png — Preceding unsigned comment added by MatfieldMan (talk • contribs) 11:28, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

I see that you have made a request for the new image to be uploaded.

Incidentally – though it is named "h_logo_official_large.png", it is quite small, and being a png it won't scale well, and won't look good if used in Man Booker Prize the way the old one is. The image currently used there is an svg, which scales nicely. Is it possible that somewhere in themes/manbooker/images there is an svg version, or a larger png? Maproom (talk) 11:57, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Technical problem

I have encountered problems in some recent edits on a couple of pages. Tried to make routine additions to Wayfarer (dinghy) of the following text: <no wiki>"An optional Asymetrical spinnaker and spinnaker chute is available; also available is a "sail patch" which provides flotation for the mast in the vent of a capsize (and particularly to prevent mast inversion –turtling."</nowiki> I did not intentionally touch anything in the footnotes. When I save it all of the footnotes were eliminated, which certainly was not my intention. I can't figure this out. Not sure if it is unique to me, a browser problem (I use Firefox, or if there is an issue on Wikipedia. I will also report this to the Village Pump techmical people. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 13:40, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

If you delete the references - the markup and the text between the <ref></ref> markup - from the article as you did here, the deleted references won't appear in the reference subsection of the article. When you added that text to the article lead, did you consider whether or not it defined the topic and/or summarize the body of the article with appropriate weight as per WP:LEAD? You also need to include an independent reliable source at the end of that sentence. -- Jreferee (talk) 14:46, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

I just edited the article and had no trouble posting my edit.[11] So I'm not sure this is a technical problem. -- Jreferee (talk) 14:57, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict) You have several times deleted all fifteen footnotes from the article, seen what you have done, and added them back in again. You have not achieved this by accidentally leaving an unpaired bracket so as to screw up the formatting. You have been physically removing over 4000 characters of references, before reversing what you have done. Are you by any chance using Wikipedia's "Visual Editor"? Maproom (talk) 14:53, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

It's not VisualEditor. Those edits say "Tag: VisualEditor" like in many edits at [12] (it actually took work to find an example, the first 500 at Special:RecentChanges had no VisualEditor but that just shows how little used it is). Let's keep discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Technical problem. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:30, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Username change

Hey How can I change my username?? thx — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lauracrowleygirl (talk • contribs) 15:35, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

@Lauracrowleygirl: Read WP:U and then request at WP:CHU. --Glaisher [talk] 15:38, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Difficulty with a new article, multiple names

Hi I was wondering if someone could help with this.

Right now I'd like to make an article for a short story collection originally from Sweden called 'Let the Old Dreams Die'. The US/UK edition comprised of material of two different books, one is also a short story collection called "Paper Walls" and the other is a book called "Let the Old Dreams Die" which has the title story.

So basically we have three books here: Paper Walls and Let the Old Dreams Die, from Sweden, and Let the Old Dreams Die, from the US, which has all the material from the former and the title story from the latter.

If I were to make an article, how should I go about this?--CyberGhostface (talk) 16:27, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

The first thing, CyberGhostface, before worrying about the name of the article, is to make sure that the book is notable. If it isn't there won't be an article and the name is unimportant. Read the general notability guideline and our specialized guideline for books. If you think that you can establish notability for this book, using independent reliable sources, then the article can be started. The article must have one title, for your description I would suggest Let the Old Dreams Die. Then the article can indicate that related content was included in Paper Walls in the UK. A redirect could be used to help readers searching under the alternate name. DES ^(talk) 16:38, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

{e/c} Firstly, be sure it meets Wikipedia:Notability (books) before spending too long writing the article. As for the title - as this is the English Wikipedia, and the English version has the title Let the Old Dreams Die, I think you should use that, with an explanation of the history in the lead, and a redirect to Let the Old Dreams Die at Paper Walls (book) or some similar disambiguation, as Paper Walls is an existing article on a 2007 album. Arjayay (talk) 16:45, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

How Do I Change The Logo On A Page?

I am looking to change the logo on the wikipedia page of the company I work for. The logo displayed on the Wikipedia page is outdated. We want to update to the current logo but the edit section of the page won't allow me to do this. I have tried embedding the logo using both the file name of the logo as saved on my computer as well as a URL from an online link. We are eager to get the logo changed ASAP. Any help on the matter would be greatly appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hannahedun (talk • contribs) 16:51, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

First of all, before doing any edits to an article about a company where you are employed, please read our conflict of interest guideline. It would be better for you merely to suggest edits on the talk page and use the {{editrequest}} mechanism to have an independent editor vet any edits.

That said, any image to be displayed should first be uploaded to Wikipedia or better yet, to Wikimedia commons. Uploads to Wikipedia can be done using the upload wizard, Be sure that the image complies with our Wikipedia:Image use policy, and is under a free license or else is used under a valid fair use claim. (Logos are often under fair use, as was the previous logo on EDUN. Fair use images are not accepted at Commons.) You might want to look at the tags and source notes on the existing logo image. Once an image is uploaded the Picture tutorial will help you understand how to include it in an article. DES ^(talk) 17:01, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Files must be uploaded before they can be used. Due to copyright concerns, logos often have to be uploaded to the English Wikipedia and this can only be done by an autoconfirmed user. We can do it for you but where is the logo? I have seen Talk:EDUN#Changing the Logo and examined all recent edits to EDUN but couldn't find a url anywhere. [13] has a file name but no url. I also looked at the official website but couldn't find a logo there. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:11, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Logos are usually "fair-use" so cannot normally be uploaded to Commons. As the editor is not WP:Autoconfirmed (has not been registered four days, nor made 10 edits) they cannot upload files, so should see Wikipedia:Files for upload for what to do in these circumstances. Arjayay (talk) 17:12, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Files for upload requires a url. If we just get the url then we can also do it here, but it's hard to help when the poster hasn't said where the logo is. If you are eager to get something done ASAP then it would be a good idea say what you want done. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:22, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

I am adding images

to a chart (or table or something) at Eli Harvey and I know that there is a way to do this so that the image fills the entire field rather than have a double border, and more. I tried to figure it out from other charts, but to no avail. So rather than drinking more coffee and trying harder, I decided to ask here. Thanks, Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 16:59, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Omit |thumb if you don't want the double border or a caption (the reason for the double border is to make a place for a caption). PrimeHunter (talk) 17:14, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Or replace |thumb with |frameless. ~HueSatLum 17:23, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict) And then use style="padding-left: 0em" and the same for right, top, and bottom to force a true fill. (See Help:Table.) I have done this on Eli Harvey. However, because of the position of the sun, that image is quite unclear at a small size. Can a better image be obtained? DES ^(talk) 17:26, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, you are both gentlemen/gentlewomen and scholars. And probably good cooks too. Carptrash (talk) 17:24, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Using interwiki data to find articles needed for English.

Given that the Interwiki data is now in a database, what would be the easiest way to find out the interwiki dataset which has the largest number of entries and *doesn't* contain a page in English?

I understand that may be caused by a situation where an English language article contains information that in most other languages is split between multiple articles and only one interwiki dataset can be chosen for an article. (OTOH, if French and German and Japanese have a concept split, then splitting the English article should be considered (even if not formally). My guess is that this would be a tool, but that the interwiki data may not have existed long enough for this to be created. Naraht (talk) 17:29, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Wikidata is a separate project. You might want to look through d:Wikidata:Tools, and if you don't see something there that meets your needs, you might want to ask at d:Wikidata:Project chat. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 00:39, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Silver City Daily Press Entry

Hello,

I'd like to try and update the page on the Silver City Daily Press (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_City_Daily_Press) --I tried to do so about a year ago, but was turned down because I didn't cite any sources. However, I am the son of the owner, and I represent the company. If you look at the current page, it is terribly written, cites NOVELS as sources for info, and is horrible all around. I'm fairly certain our competitors have posted that info, as well (the novel citation makes the paper seem biased, through it is complete fiction).

That being said, the page contains virtually no information about the paper (Circulation, history, reach, etc,). How can I change it without getting my edits removed (which was the case last time I modified it?).

Please provide some guidance?

Best, TS — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.113.95.9 (talk) 20:30, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Before editing the page as your have a close relationship with it you should see WP:COI. You are encouraged instead of editing the talk page with requests for edits as it will be challenging for you to have a neutral point of view. Also all information on Wikipedia needs to be be verifiable by reliable external sources. While some information slips through the community of editors providing information without citations if often caught and reverted. Unfortunately personal knowledge is not verifiable if you provide reliable sources you can find editors willing to help. XFEM Skier (talk) 20:38, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

For basic factual data like circulation, the masthead statement of the paper itself should be a sufficient source. I agree that the current article is sub-standard. Place suggestions on Talk:Silver City Daily Press, and if you have a specific edit or edits to suggest you can use {{Edit request}}. DES ^(talk) 20:42, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Editing when there's no Edit button on a page

I wanted to edit the One Direction page but it has no edit button. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.90.202.189 (talk) 20:47, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

One Direction has been semi-protected since 13 August 2012. This means that only WP:Autoconfirmed users can edit it. This was done by User:Acalamari, in response to a high vandalism level. It may well be that the protecting admin would be willing to unprotect at this time. or see requests for unprotection. DES ^(talk) 20:55, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

You can also click the "View source" tab to see how to suggest an edit. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:11, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Adding edited information

• List of films shot in Oregon

I'm not sure how to add data to this url.

"Blast (2000 film)" Vernonia, OR 2000 "Untraceable" Portland, OR 2008 Tony711978 (talk) 23:08, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

You would have to find reliable sources supporting the information first, if these films are not mentioned in the sources already used in the article. I'm afraid IMDB doesn't count, as no fact checking is done there. Rojomoke (talk) 23:20, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Edits do not appear

I added some comments to the following Talk Page Talk:Richard Hickock. Why are they not showing up? I looked through the edit page, but I can't seem to locate the problem. Any ideas? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 23:38, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

The comments of other editors on that Talk Page also seem to be "hidden" and do not appear. Why is this? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 23:40, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Fixed.[14] Whenever this happens, look at the source code near the last displayed part. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:53, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict) As far as I can tall your comments and all others are visible. There were two identical section headings "Plagerized" which could have lead to section links going to the wrong place this not displaying what you thought you were displaying I have changed this. DES ^(talk) 23:56, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

My error, I looked at the history before the changes made by PrimeHunter, but edited after them. DES ^(talk) 00:02, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

I am still confused. What exactly caused the problem? I looked at the "differences" between versions as indicated above by Prime Hunter. But, all I noticed changed was that the four tildes indicating editors' signatures were deleted. Why were the tildes removed? And why would the tildes cause this problem? People always sign their posts with four tildes. Please explain what the issue is here. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 03:47, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Look again at PrimeHunter's first change. There was a '>' missing. Rojomoke (talk) 05:42, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Joseph A. Spadaro - Instead of reading <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> as hidden text, the '>' was missing so the text read <!--Autosigned by SineBot--. That left a "<!" looking to match up with a ">" or something else. Since "<!" could not find a suitable partner, the page got done messed up. To spot these subtle changes, you can add a show improved diff view button at the bottom of each diff page. In Preferences>Gadgets, put a check next to "wikEdDiff, improved diff view between article versions (not needed if wikEd is used)". -- Jreferee (talk) 10:57, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Yes, the tildes were a sympton and not the cause of the problem. Everything after the initial <!-- became a part of the comment, including the tildes which don't expand to signatures inside comments. When I fixed the comment, the tildes would have expanded to my own signature so I removed them (I was too lazy to track down the posters in the page history and manually add their names). PrimeHunter (talk) 12:06, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

November 16

Article about West Siberian Laika

I have found an article about West Siberian Laika written by Vasko Raichev. It is full of errors and misleading statements about the breed and its history. I can write my own article on this subject based on my own experience and sources published in Russian. I have registered and can log in, but still have no idea how to get my article about West Siberian Laika in Wikipedia?

Vladimir Beregovoy — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ufimych (talk • contribs) 00:49, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

The article does seem to have some issues and they seem to be long standing. I made a very minor correction to at least allow it to render more correctly. I think you have a slight misunderstanding of how Wikipedia works which is very common for new users. Article don't belong to any one author and are actually a community effort meaning anyone can edit any article. There are exceptions to this for administrative reasons, but they are not many. So what you want to do is edit the current article to improve it, you should see and edit towards the top of the page and at the start of each section that will allow you to change the source for the page. I provided you a welcome message on your talk page that also has a number of useful links that allow you to better understand how Wikipedia works.

As for using foreign language sources it is better to use English sources if available as most editors on English Wikipedia don't speak Russian, making it hard to verify that the article is correct, but if no other sources exist, then you can include them. See WP:A for more information about this.

Thanks for joining Wikipedia and helping improve the project. XFEM Skier (talk) 07:41, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

The copyright violation issue now posted on the Wikipedia page “Milan Zeleny” I created on October 28th Comment

(Zhuyuxiang (talk) 01:15, 16 November 2013 (UTC))

I first created the Wikipedia Page "Milan Zeleny" four weeks ago https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milan_Zeleny. But then administrator Palu https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedista:Palu posted the copyright violation issue on my page on October 28th and all the related contents on that page have been blanked.

Right now the fact is first: I really get the permission from the copyright holder, which is my professor, Milan Zeleny. He allows me to post this text and photographs describing biographical information, personal CV information, professional information and professional publications on Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Actually the point of that Wikipedia page I created is to introduce the biography for this Czech-American economist.

Second, Professor Milan Zeleny has already written the Permission Request Letter and sent it to permissions-en@wikimedia.org two weeks ago. But there is no reply from OTRS until now. Milan Zeleny wrote this letter in reference to the template on Wikipedia: Declaration of consent for all enquiries. As for the problem of the modification of the text from source http://ebooks.iospress.nl/Download/Pdf/29019, Milan Zeleny is copyright holder of the source book. In his Permission Request letter, he said he agree to contribute and publish that work under the free license "Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported" and GNU Free Documentation License (unversioned, with no invariant sections, front-cover texts, or back-cover texts).

Basically, I don't think there is still the copyright issue on the Wikipedia page of "Milan Zeleny". The reason is that I did research on the Wiki policy of Donating the copyrighted material and Milan Zeleny's permission letter meets the Wiki requirements.

How long should it take for OTRS respond to the permission from the copyright holder Milan Zeleny? In addition to OTRS, who is also responsible for "Donate Copyrighted Material" issue in Wiki? SO I COULD send the permission letter directly to other administrator so that they can help me revert my original page assuming that they check and approve my permission request?

(Zhuyuxiang (talk) 01:15, 16 November 2013 (UTC))

Zhuyuxiang - The copyright issue noted by Palu seems to have been resolved. The "text and photographs describing biographical information, personal CV information, professional information and professional publications" donated from Milan Zeleny is not usable in the Milan Zeleny article since it is not independent of Milan Zeleny. In other words, even if OTRS recognizes permission from the copyright holder Milan Zeleny, the material from Milan Zeleny is not usable in the Milan Zeleny article since it is not independent of Milan Zeleny. The article was stubbed 5 November 2013 by Ymblanter.[15] You reverted TheRedPenOfDoom.[16] WP:CREDENTIAL does not say anything about not using post-nominal letters indicating academic degrees in infoboxes and there was no edit summary as to why they were removed from the infobox. If you have photographs of Milan Zeleny, those would be great for the article. Please upload any photos of Milan Zeleny to Wikimedia Commons. -- Jreferee (talk) 10:37, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

An easier way to access Diff comparison page

Hey, is there an easier way to access Diff comparison page? Using AJAX is prefered, such as MediaWiki:Gadget-QPreview in Commons. --Capim Dourado (talk) 02:24, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

I use the "show improved diff view" button at the bottom of each diff page. To get this button, go to Preferences>Gadget and put a check next to "wikEdDiff, improved diff view between article versions (not needed if wikEd is used)". -- Jreferee (talk) 10:59, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Question about the WP:MOS

Does anybody know what the procedure is for making a change to Wikipedia's Manual of Style? There's a bit of disagreement over the use of the capital D when referring to Deaf culture and the Deaf community. This is how the Deaf community identifies, in the same way as Gay culture or African-American culture, etc. Currently there's an RfC on the talk page at Deafness. But I'm not so sure an RfC is the proper venue for something like this. Any suggestions, opinions, would be most welcome. Thanks. Malke 2010 (talk) 04:25, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Malke 2010 - An article talk page RFC won't change guideline Manual of Style/Capital letters. You can try an RFC at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Capital letters and bring attention to it via a note at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Wikipedia style and naming and Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Wikipedia policies and guidelines. Long term editors who are interested in policy/guidelines hang out at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy). I suggest starting at Village pump (policy) first and ask something like 'I'm interested in changing policy/guideline so that Wikipedia uses a capital D when referring to Deaf culture and the Deaf community. At this time, I'm looking for help with how I can best present arguments that will provide a productive discussion. What are several arguments that I might make consistent with policy/guidelines in this area and what are the policy/guidelines that would need to be changed to make this happen.' -- Jreferee (talk) 10:17, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Ward Melville High School Alumni

Ward Melville High School Distinguished Alumni-Kenneth Eriksen (1979); Head Coach of the USA Women's Softball Team; Gold Medal 2004 Olympics — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.200.178.181 (talk) 05:05, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Kenneth Eriksen doesn't appear to have an article about him on Wikipedia yet, which is usually a prerequisite for appearing in such a list. If you read WP:Notability, which is our guideline on who qualifies for such an article, maybe you could write one yourself. Rojomoke (talk) 05:50, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

James Buchanan Eads page has strange error.

note: Eads made his initial fortune in The porn industry, by creating a diving bell for retrieving goods from the bottom of rivers... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.198.68.131 (talk) 05:27, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Some lovely vandalism. I corrected it. Thanks XFEM Skier (talk) 05:46, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Why has my Wikipedia page not been published

The first article I wrote published no problem there. The next two, on documentaries can't be accessed when I Google them. I don't believe they have been deleted because I could not access them on Google from the get go. They have references they link to other pages so just wondering what the issue is. There is a message that says they have yet to be reviewed but would that stop it being published? Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by MFM14 (talk • contribs) 06:01, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

As soon as articles are created in Wikipedia article space (as yours were), they are 'published' as far as Wikipedia is concerned. We have no control over Google, and it may take time to discover articles here. AndyTheGrump (talk) 06:08, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Are you referring to JFK: The Lost Bullet and Living Broke in Boom Times: Lessons from the Movement to End Poverty? In your Google search string, add "Wikipedia" as in "JFK: The Lost Bullet Wikipedia."[17] The Wikipedia pages are only one day old. When enough time passes, you may not need to add "Wikipedia" to the Google search string. -- Jreferee (talk) 09:59, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

How do I read an article (of the same content) in Hindi which I have Spotted in English?

I am willing to read the English article "Hindu Cosmology" in Hindi/Devanagri script. Kindly Guide me. Thank You for your Support.

Regards, Hem Shailabh SahuShailabh sahu1 (talk) 06:05, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

User:Shailabh sahu1 There does not appear to be an interlanguage link to Hindu cosmology on the Hindi Wikipedia, but this seems to be their article on Hindu in general which may point you in the right direction: hi:ब्रह्माण्ड. - Purplewowies (talk) 06:26, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Olton Hall

Having recently completed a history of both the former Olton Hall and Olton Castle in the Solihull area, there is now much more detail available than Wikipedia currently offers. Also, the Harry Potter connection which has gained the Olton name, worldwide fame. In your Famous People section, I was surprised not to find mention of a gentleman born in the Hall, who subsequently (amongst much more) became Governor of Bombay and High Commissioner of Egypt.−109.104.102.41 (talk) 08:09, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

You are welcome to improve Wikipedia articles if you can provide additional relevant information cited to reliable sources. If you are contemplating citing your own published work, please read WP:SELFCITE first. Bear in mind that original research cannot be included. - Karenjc (talk) 09:30, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

In regards to detail available that Wikipedia currently offers, are you referring to GWR 4900 Class 5972 Olton Hall or Oulton Hall? Also, Wikipedia does not have a Olton Castle article (I did find Bolton Castle). What article has the Famous People section to which you refer to above? For the Governor of Bombay and High Commissioner of Egypt, are you referring to George Lloyd, 1st Baron Lloyd? -- Jreferee (talk) 09:56, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

The OP is probably referring to our article on Olton, which has a section on its notable people. (At Wikipedia, we prefer "notable" to the more subjective and transitory "famous". See Wikipedia:Notability (people).)--Shantavira|^{feed me} 10:29, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Need assistance with Wikipedia page of Professor Cuno Pumpin please

Hello,

We are having troubles figuring out how to fix the errors on the English version of Professor Cuno Pumpin's Wikipedia page. There is a German version which is fine with no problems. A note on the English version however indicates the following "This article has multiple issues...".

Is there anyway we can obtain some assistance in fixing these multiple issues please ? We would be eternally grateful.

Thank you in advance

Signed: Disciples of Prof. Pumpin's works on Corporate Strategy — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.76.139.30 (talk) 11:21, 16 November 2013 (UTC)