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:You really cannot use it because the first [[WP:NFCC#1|non-free policy guideline]] concerns whether the image is replaceable and, being a drawing, someone could make a line drawing of the ship, so the fair-use rationale would fail. [[User:Ww2censor|ww2censor]] ([[User talk:Ww2censor|talk]]) 03:00, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
:You really cannot use it because the first [[WP:NFCC#1|non-free policy guideline]] concerns whether the image is replaceable and, being a drawing, someone could make a line drawing of the ship, so the fair-use rationale would fail. [[User:Ww2censor|ww2censor]] ([[User talk:Ww2censor|talk]]) 03:00, 2 August 2011 (UTC)


==old discussion on deleting legal images based on copyright paranoia==
==Testifying before parliament==
::::::::What the hell are you talking about? -'''[[User:Fastily|<span style='font-family: "Trebuchet MS"; color:#4B0082'><big>F</big><small>ASTILY</small></span>]]''' <sup><small>[[User talk:Fastily|<span style = 'color:#4B0082'>(TALK)</span>]]</small></sup> 08:48, 2 August 2011 (UT
A screengrab of a notable person testifying before Parliament. Similar images in pretty much every paper and tv in the world. Parliamentary license. Can Wikipedia use it to illustrate the person and the appearance before parliament? See [[:File:Rebekah Brooks 18 July 2011thb.jpg|image]]. Note that the image has been temporarily 'pixelated' out of an ABUNDANCE of copyright caution during discussion, but non pixelated versions exist for use in article. --[[User:Alecmconroy|Alecmconroy]] ([[User talk:Alecmconroy|talk]]) 07:24, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
: No, as long as it is not fully free, we can't use it. She's a living person, so we can illustrate her article with a free image that could be created, and a photograph of this particular scene of her talking before parliament is not necessary to understand the fact that she appeared there. There's nothing in this particular photo that tells us more about this event than any other free portrait photo of her would. Also, the earlier version of this file was deleted through a regular FFD ([[:Wikipedia:Files for deletion/2011 July 21#File:Rebekah Brooks 18 July 2011.jpg]]), because apparently you cited bogus licensing claims on it, so at this stage, procedurally, even if you could make a decent NFCC case for it, the only legitimate way of getting a copy restored would be through a [[WP:DRV]]. [[User:Future Perfect at Sunrise|Fut.Perf.]] [[User talk:Future Perfect at Sunrise|☼]] 07:39, 2 August 2011 (UTC)


Simple:
::For others, Future Perfect is a staunch believer that we can never have pictures of people testifying before parliament. He deletes such images, I think that's crazy, so this is why we ask.
# People ask for an image.
::I know his opinion, he knows mine. I'd like to hear a board statement or an office statement that clarifies, to me, why other news & educational organizations can show people testifying in government but we cannot. The conclusion is so absurd that something has gone wrong in the logic somewhere. --[[User:Alecmconroy|Alecmconroy]] ([[User talk:Alecmconroy|talk]]) 07:47, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
# People work to find an image.
:::<small>Ignore this specific image and answer based on the principle-- parliamentary license, historic event, house of commons. Can we use it?</small>
# People work to upload and image.
:::: There is no general answer, so don't try insisting on one. Every individual image has to stand the test of [[WP:NFCC#8]] (among other things). If a particular scene before parliament was so striking or of iconic historic value that a visual representation of it would be necessary for understanding the event, then maybe yes, we might use that. This is evidently not the case here. Generally speaking, though, you continue speaking of some "Parliamentary license" without ever having specified what kind of license that's supposed to be; the one you claimed for the previous upload was apparently bogus, so please do explain. [[User:Future Perfect at Sunrise|Fut.Perf.]] [[User talk:Future Perfect at Sunrise|☼]] 08:00, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
# People like the image.
# Someone else uninvolved deletes the legal image, potentially rudely.
# People get furious and scream and learn not to contribute their time.


* Repeat this a few thousand times and editors will hate your guts, you will hate them.
::::'''If a particular scene before parliament was so striking or of iconic historic value that a visual representation of it would be necessary for understanding the event, then maybe yes, we might use that.'''
* Wikia and our other for-profit competitors, however, will love you.
:::::So, it's not really about fair use at all? It's about the notoriety of the event, which in your eyes doesn't merit the coverage, but if it were -really- important, then it'd be cool?
* Your deletions EVICT our volunteers. Either you will stop deleting or they will stop volunteering.
:::::So, basically, three people decided that we're allowed to, just not in this story cause it's not important enough? When are editors "allowed" to use their best judgement???
:::::It's been very clear that you don't look to US law in making this decision, you admit that. And it's also clear you don't look to consensus in making this decision. As best I can tell, you guys are just making up the rules as you go along, and then getting pissed when people call you on it. --[[User:Alecmconroy|Alecmconroy]] ([[User talk:Alecmconroy|talk]]) 08:10, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
::::::Actually try reading the policies and guidelines which govern this site before accusing others of fabricating rules and throwing a childish temper-tantrum when others call you out on your errors. If you need help, use the [[Wikipedia:Help desk]]. -'''[[User:Fastily|<span style='font-family: "Trebuchet MS"; color:#4B0082'><big>F</big><small>ASTILY</small></span>]]''' <sup><small>[[User talk:Fastily|<span style = 'color:#4B0082'>(TALK)</span>]]</small></sup> 08:38, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

:::::::Do you have a foundation statement or a legal statement to justify that fair use images can't be used in news stories? No? didn't think so. --[[User:Alecmconroy|Alecmconroy]] ([[User talk:Alecmconroy|talk]]) 08:44, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
::::::::What the hell are you talking about? -'''[[User:Fastily|<span style='font-family: "Trebuchet MS"; color:#4B0082'><big>F</big><small>ASTILY</small></span>]]''' <sup><small>[[User talk:Fastily|<span style = 'color:#4B0082'>(TALK)</span>]]</small></sup> 08:48, 2 August 2011 (UTC)


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    The given source url is a "404 File not found", However, the same image can be found on at least two other pages from the same website ([1] and [2]), where it's attributed to photo agency Newspix. Newspix has the image here [3] where it claims "3rd Party Managed Reproduction & Supply Rights", and attributes it to "News Ltd." (that I don't know what is) and dates it to Melbourne 1950.

    Is it PD in Australia, The U.S., or the world? Thanks, --damiens.rf 15:52, 20 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

    I don't think anyone is claiming it's PD anywhere. The uploader claims it's copyrighted, but free to use for non-commercial purposes. On Wikipedia, that amounts to non-free. All the best, – Quadell (talk) 16:27, 20 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    Surely nobody is claiming it's PD, but I thought it could be, under Australian laws, and that's why I'm asking for help here. --damiens.rf 18:49, 20 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    Oh, I see. Yes, interesting. According to Commons:Commons:Licensing, Australia considers a photograph PD if it was taken before 1955. However, due to the URAA, the US will only consider it PD if it was PD in Australia in 1996, which would only be true if it was taken before 1946. Because of this, the U.S. considers it copyrighted even if Australia doesn't, and the photo can't be used as non-free either here or on Commons. – Quadell (talk) 19:04, 20 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    The URAA does not apply to Australian matrial since a separate free trade agreement between US and Australia agreed to recognise each others' copyright. This happened in 2005. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 12:30, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    Really? That's awesome! So, first off, does that mean the photo is PD in the U.S. as well? And secondly, what other countries does the 1996 URAA provision not apply to? Thanks for the info! – Quadell (talk) 13:14, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    If the photo was taken or published in Australia and not elsewhere before 1955 then the US will recognise it too. SO it sounds to me as if it would be. It would have become public domain in Australia in 2001 but tied by that URAA till 2005. If you can make a case that it was not published in USA before 2005 I think it would be PD there too. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 01:44, 23 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

    Okay, this photo was deleted. I asked the admin who deleted the file about it here, and he said there is uncertainty about the copyright status. This deserves more eyes. I can confirm that a photograph created before 1955 is in the public domain in Australia. (See the Australian Copyright Council.) Are these photographs also PD in the US? Can we get a definitive ruling on this? – Quadell (talk) 17:47, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

    On Commons:Template talk:PD-Australia, the discussion on this seems to indicate that photos created in Australia before 1955 are PD in Australia, but only photos published in Australia before 1946 are PD in the U.S. For photos taken between 1946 and 1954, the copyright has expired in Australia, but is still valid in U.S. courts until 70 years after the death of the photographer. – Quadell (talk) 18:04, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

    Can I upload it? And what copyright license should I choose? Mluker94 (talk)

    One possibility is to tag it with {{non-free logo}} and use {{logo fur}} for the required non-free use rationale. (With more details we might be able to give a different answer.) —teb728 t c

    Currency

    I am wondering if I can use the images in [4] under a currency (non-free) license. Can you please help me by telling me if this is allowed or not? Miguel AG (talk) 10:10, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

    It depends on what article you want to put them in. If the article is about the currency itself, it should be fine. Tag them as {{Non-free currency}} and add a non-free use rationale. (For other articles, it might not pass our non-free content criteria.) – Quadell (talk) 11:58, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

    Message from WikiPedia re copyright for File:Jneelwiki.jpg

    Hello,

    Last night I built a draft page for Johnny Neel. I uploaded an image File:Jneelwiki.jpg and included what copyright info I had. The image itself also has the copyright info displayed on it.

    The image comes from Johnny Neel's website (http://johnnyneel.com/gallery). I have been unable to contact the person shown in the copyright info on the image itself. I have searched for her name, company, etc. and the only link I could find is no longer an active site.

    I assume I'm out of luck but wanted to ask what else I could do that might allow me to use this image?

    Regards,

    Joe Pollock — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tojo45 (talkcontribs) 13:16, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

    If the photographer, Rachel Naugle, is unwilling to release the photo under a free license, then we can't use the image. If you want to contact Ms. Naugle, you can try through her Etsy page (though you would have to sign up with Etsy to do so). If you're going to try this, be sure to read Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission for how. All the best, – Quadell (talk) 13:27, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

    Thanks for the info/advice. The Etsy page has had no comments since 2007/2008 and has nothing for sale so I assume it is abandoned. What do I need to do to use a personal picture? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tojo45 (talkcontribs) 14:17, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]


    The photographer has to release it under a free license. If you created the photo yourself, you can simply upload it and tag it with a free license, such as {{cc-by-3.0}} (or whatever free license you wish). – Quadell (talk) 14:21, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

    Anders

    File:Anders Behring Breivik (Facebook portrait in suit).jpg is a photo amongst others that its auhor has granted permission for use in Europe, he has not given worldwide permission for reuse. The attributation is requires promoting text from his manifesto Wp NOR--Hemshaw (talk) 14:41, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

    That file is hosted on Commons, not here, and there is a discussion there about whether it should be deleted or not. You're welcome to discuss it there. – Quadell (talk) 15:13, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

    File:DarknessRising1-KOburger.jpg

    What would the correct tag for this image? (the photo is displayed to the far right)--WikiEditor44 (talk) 23:02, 26 July 2011 (UTC) File:DarknessRising1-KOburger.jpg[reply]

    Please clarify: What does the photo show? Where did you get it from? What right does Wikipedia have to use it? In the future please post new posts at the bottom. —teb728 t c 23:09, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    The photo shows animation outside KO Burger in Jasper, Nevada. I found this on Tfwiki.net. Could a right mean to show an animation piece from the television series? --WikiEditor44 (talk) 00:43, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    It's a non-free television screenshot, right? If so, tag it with {{non-free television screenshot}}. I started a non-free use rationale for you; modify it so that the purpose parameter explains why the use significantly increases reader understanding of the topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding; and modify the replaceability parameter explains why no free equivalent (including free text) is available, or could be created, that would serve the same encyclopedic purpose. (I suspect that no such purpose explanation is possible.) I linked to the image rather than showing it because non-free content is allowed only in articles. —teb728 t c 04:51, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you, for your support. Sorry about this, I am new to uploading/adding pictures to the Wikipedia. --WikiEditor44 (talk) 17:24, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

    Tagging an image

    In response to a question re licensing images I got the following response.

    The photographer has to release it under a free license. If you created the photo yourself, you can simply upload it and tag it with a free license, such as {{cc-by-3.0}} (or whatever free license you wish). – Quadell (talk) 14:21, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

    Is tagging simply a matter of selecting the appropriate licensing option on the upload page or is there some markup that I need to include?

    Thanks

    Tojo45

    As long as you created the image you are uploading, I believe you may choose any of the listed licenses. If someone else created it (or if it is a derivative work), however, things get trickier. –Drilnoth (T/C) 14:49, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    To add to what Drilnoth said, yes, "tagging" simply means adding the correct copyright tag to the image description page. If you created the photo, you can license it any way you want. (These free licenses are all acceptable to use of Wikipedia, though most people choose one of the Creative Commons licenses.) I can help with this if you like. However, if someone else created the photo, be sure the license tag is accurate. Most photos you find on the internet are not free, and cannot be used on Wikipedia. All the best, – Quadell (talk) 14:55, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

    question about license tagging image

    The two images that I downloaded were from the press packet released by a company I am writing an article about. I am not sure which license tag is appropriate for this type of material. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmasiulewicz (talkcontribs) 16:43, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

    How much are they paying you to do this?--Aspro (talk) 17:15, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

    To answer your question, it depends. Is the company willing to release the images under a free license (so that anyone may reuse the images for any purpose, including modifications and commercial purposes)? If so, then great! We can use the images. But if the company is not willing to do this, then we probably cannot use the images. For instance, if you were writing an article about Acme Widgets, we would need someone to take a photo of such widgets and release that photo under a free license (so that anyone can use the photo for any purpose). What specific product and photos are you hoping to use? – Quadell (talk) 18:06, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

    For File:All Purpose BGC.jpg you will need a free license as described by Quadell. For File:Bgc logo.jpg I tagged it {{non-free logo}} and provided a non-free use rationale (which should be adequate if it is not deleted as unused non-free content before your article goes live). —teb728 t c 19:58, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    As it stands, File:All Purpose BGC.jpg is almost certainly a copyvio of copyrighted product packaging and should be deleted. – ukexpat (talk) 20:42, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

    photo

    can i link a pic to see if my boyfriend made a fake account to make me mad? http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/273548_100002621927920_1398310_n.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.194.116.21 (talk) 17:21, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

    • This noticeboard is for issues having to do with media copyright and Wikipedia. Your situation with respect to your boyfriend has nothing to do with that. --Hammersoft (talk) 17:32, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

    John_Stott.jpg

    Hi, can someone have a look at File:John_Stott.jpg and tell me what I need to do. I included a PD-author tag but the bot has still tagged it and 2 out of its 3 concerns are covered by the PD tag. Sorry to be stupid but this is my first upload. Sidefall (talk) 14:00, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

    Greetings. Are you Kieran Dodds? Did you create this photograph of Mr. Stott? – Quadell (talk) 14:05, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    No, I'm not Kieran. The photo was provided to me today by an organisation that Stott founded. They told me in an email that Kiernan had donated the photo to them and it is public domain with no copyright. They did ask for his name to be included as a credit. What should I do? Sidefall (talk) 14:15, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    Well, all photos are copyrighted by default, unless there's a specific reason for it not to be copyrighted. In this case the photo is not is the public domain unless the photographer specifically placed the photo in the public domain. If the photographer is willing to do so explicitly, then we can use the photo. Alternatively, if the photographer wants to keep copyright, but is willing to allow anyone to use the photo for any reason so long as he is credited, then we can use the photo. However, since he holds the copyright, he would need to say so. Are you in contact with Kieran Dodds? – Quadell (talk) 14:32, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm a bit confused by your answer. Let me rephrase my previous statement. The people who supplied this photo to me said that the photographer, Kieran Dodds, has released his copyright claim to it and placed it into the public domain. The only thing he requires is an acknowledgement. They are an established and respectable christian organisation and I have no reason whatsoever to doubt their word. Surely that is sufficient? Sidefall (talk) 16:00, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    You may trust them, but on Wikipedia, we need actual evidence that the copyright-holder has released his work under an acceptable license. – Quadell (talk) 16:50, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    OK, so what sort of evidence will be suitable? Sidefall (talk) 20:28, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    See WP:IOWN. – ukexpat (talk) 20:39, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    That's right. To summarize WP:IOWN, one way is for the photographer to publish the photo somewhere on the web (church website, personal site, whatever) with a note that says "I am the photographer and I release this photo into the public domain." Another way is that the photographer could e-mail the Wikimedia foundation and say the same thing in an e-mail, with the url of the photograph in that e-mail. – Quadell (talk) 22:38, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

    coat of arms

    I would like to upload my hometown's coat of arms onto it's wikipedia page, how do I go about this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Flickarius (talkcontribs) 16:38, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

    You'll find instructions at Wikipedia:Uploading images for actually uploading the image. Is that what you're looking for? – Quadell (talk) 16:50, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    I've now looked through your history, and I see you've uploaded the image before, but it was deleted for having an insufficient use rationale. The coat of arms already exists on Wikipedia at File:Louth Co Co.png, and it's used in the Louth County Council page. – Quadell (talk) 16:54, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

    Elle and Blair Fowler image

    I noticed that the page for Elle and Blair Fowler has no image, so I uploaded File:elleblair.png for their page. It was marked as vandalism and I was also informed that I need to add a tag (sorry about that, I noted when I uploaded it that I wasn't sure of the copyright - I just know I've seen it on multiple websites, so I thought it might be fair game). I got the image from this magazine article: Elle & Blair: Sisters of Beauty. I'm still not sure how to figure out if it's available for use on Wikipedia. What is the best way to find images that are free to use? I checked the info page for uploading images and wasn't sure which category the image would fall under. There are a lot of pictures of Elle and Blair out there since they are web stars, but I'm not sure if I'm allowed to just screencap one of their videos for use on Wikipedia, which is why I searched for images in online articles that have been widely used. If someone could help me get a picture up for their page, I'd greatly appreciate it! --Lauren Irene (talk) 17:17, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

    Most images that you find on the web are not "fair game", and can't be used on Wikipedia. If a photographer creates a photo, that photo is automatically copyrighted, and reproducing the photo is a copyright violation. We can only use a photo of these women if the photo is released under a free license. There are two ways that there could be a photo of them we could use. (1) A Wikipedian could take a photo of them, at an event or something, and release that photo under a free license. (2) Someone could write to the copyright-holder and ask them to release the photo under a free license, and if they say yes, then that's fine. But we can't just use an image we find on the web. All the best, – Quadell (talk) 17:38, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you! That was very helpful. --Lauren Irene (talk) 22:15, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

    Photos of "Judge" George E. Crothers

    I am putting together an article about George E. Crothers, a prominent alumnus, trustee, and benefactor of Stanford University. I'm trying to find a freely usable photograph of "Judge" Crothers to include in the article, and I've found some photos with help from Stanford's archival collections office. However, the university archivist's office has told me that they have no idea whether these photos are still copyrighted or not. Here are links to the photos in question: [5]; [6]; [7]. I've also found this photo of Crothers from another source (a paper written by a student for a class). Since Crothers was born in 1870 and died in 1957, I can make educated guesses as to when these photos were taken, but in most cases I have no way of identifying the photographer, publisher, etc. I want to do the right thing. What do the experts suggest? Richwales (talk · contribs) 01:30, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

    Well one idea is to use a picture under fair use. Since he is dead we cannot take a new picture. Another idea is to check newspaper archives to see if you can find a matching picture. Anything published before 1923 will now be public domain. A couple of those images show dot patterns, so they were published in print somewhere. If you can find that source you will be closer to the original. A yearbook from 1948 may have more in it too. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 02:39, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks. The first photo I mentioned is definitely said (in Stanford's archive collection info) to have been taken no later than 1911. The second one has no date info, but given the subject's fairly obvious age range (he was born in 1870, and he can't possibly be anywhere near 53 yet), common sense says the second photo must have been taken well before 1923. Can I do anything at all with observations such as these? Or am I hopelessly stuck because of the "publication is not creation" issue? These two photos do not appear to me to be halftoned, so I really have no grounds to suppose they were derived from newspapers (or any basis to assume that they were ever printed in newspapers), and an exhaustive search of well over a decade's worth of archives from who-knows-which newspaper sounds like it would be utterly futile. Richwales (talk · contribs) 03:08, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    I think you would be fine to tag them {{PD-1923}} with a note that it's clear the photo was created before 1923. I think that would be fine. The only conceivable way it would be copyrighted would be if the photo was not published until 1924 or later, and it was published with a ©, and the copyright was registered with the US Copyright Office (which was required at the time), and that copyright was renewed 28 years later. This basically never happened for portraits. You might search for the subject's name or other keywords in the Stanford's Copyright Renewal Database (or Rutgers' version), or the Project Gutenberg listing, or the Catalog of Copyright Entries. (The last photo was created by Blackstone Studios, Inc., which you could also search for.) This is all to see if anyone has any record of this photo being registered with the copyright office. If you don't find anything relevant, you can be sure the photo is not copyrighted. Leave as much info as possible on the image description page, and you should be fine. All the best, – Quadell (talk) 12:25, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks. I went to the Stanford copyright renewal database and did a search for "Crothers". Several things showed up, but none of them were photographs. I also did an author search for "Blackstone", but also found no listings for any photographs. If I understand what you're saying, I should be able (on this basis) to invoke {{PD-1923}} for all four of these photos. I note, BTW, that {{PD-1923}} appears to cover works published in the US between 1923 and 1977 without a copyright notice; or would it be better to use {{PD-US-not renewed}} {{PD-US-no notice}} for the two later photos? Richwales (talk · contribs) 16:37, 29 July 2011 (UTC) 17:32, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    I should also probably mention that when I checked the copyright renewal database, I tried looking up the publication cited in the PDF as the source for the fourth photo — whose correct and full title appears to be A legal history of the titles, trusts and organization of the Leland Stanford Junior University, published in 1963 — but a keyword search for "history stanford" didn't reveal this book. Richwales (talk · contribs) 17:02, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, I think that should be fine. I think {{PD-US}} would be the most appropriate tag. – Quadell (talk) 17:38, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

    I've been communicating with this file's uploader via email and would like to get some more copyright-experienced eyes on it. I'd tagged the image as having no evidence of permission (it says it was taken by Mispillion crew member Joe McGlothan). The uploader is now saying that

    It was purchased aboard the ship USS Mispillion AO-105 in it’s ship store as an official navy photo by Joe McGlothlan in 1971.
    Joe scanned it and said I have permission to post it. See: http://www.navy.memorieshop.com/Mispillion/index.html#Longer
    I must have renamed it Mispillion-Longer.

    Does this sound like it is PD-USGov? Thanks! –Drilnoth (T/C) 18:49, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

    The key question is who took the photo. If it was taken by a navy person as part of their duties it is {{PD-USGov-Military-Navy}}. If it was taken by another US Government employee it's PD-USGov. If it was taken by someone else, then they own the copyright, unless it was a work for hire or they assigned the copyright to the US Gov. The fact that it was purchased in the ship's store probably indicates that it was taken "on government business" (my shorthand, for want of a better term}, but it's not conclusive. – ukexpat (talk) 18:58, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks, I've asked the uploader for further details. –Drilnoth (T/C) 19:02, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

    (edit conflicts) I agree with Ukexpat entirely. Yes, it sounds likely that an "official navy photo" would have been created by the military. The only alternative would be if the Navy were reselling some civilian's photograph, which seems very unlikely to me. But not impossible. Tough one. – Quadell (talk) 19:03, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

    It is not in the least unusual for the US government to commission a non-Federal employee to take pictures. The government does not have huge numbers of professional photographers on staff and often contracts out (and I don't doubt that rights control is one reason, too, they don't want some punk underselling the ship's store), for example, many official portraits, such as those of Supreme Court justices, are contracted out. and are not PD.--Wehwalt (talk) 14:03, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    Hrm, that's disappointing. – Quadell (talk) 14:12, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, it was quite a problem with Antonin Scalia, we just could not get them to give us an adequate license to use his two official pictures, even the old one. The Supreme Court was less than cooperative; suspect Nino doesn't like Wikipedia.--Wehwalt (talk) 14:46, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    Is he the one who still types all his decisions on a typewriter? Or am I thinking of someone else? – Quadell (talk) 20:26, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    Might be someone else. Don't give up on federal images, though, it's just that we can't assume that it is PD because it says "official".--Wehwalt (talk) 22:16, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

    (undent) The uploader says that he has no clue who may have taken the original image. I'm thinking this will have to go, unfortunately. –Drilnoth (T/C) 12:56, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

    That is a pity. Images can be a terrible pain. I can spend as much time finding and selecting images as I do with the text.--Wehwalt (talk) 13:11, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

    Library of Congress US news images

    I'm hoping to figure out a way of using this image. While the Library of Congress warns that some of these images may not be PD if they were taken in the photographers' private capacity, see here, I have some doubt that a photographer could have argued convincingly he was not working for the magazine while setting up right in front of Nixon and Khrushchev. Thoughts?--Wehwalt (talk) 13:52, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

    LoC says "No known restrictions on work taken by staff photographers. Other material may be restricted by copyright." Thomas O'Halloran, the photographer, was clearly the staff photographer. I'm certain the LoC's statement applies to this photo. On the other hand, I don't know why this photo wouldn't still be under copyright, and I'm not sure LoC's statement actually has to do with copyright. I'm not convinced that any of the photos in that series are PD. Am I missing something? – Quadell (talk) 14:23, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    Donation, it seems.--Wehwalt (talk) 14:44, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    Here is the U.S. News & World Report Magazine Collection Rights and Restrictions Information which indicates that all no staff photos are restricted but non-"work for hire" may be restricted. However, LoC cannot say which is which though they specifically mention staff photographers, Warren K. Leffler, Thomas J. O'Halloran, Marion S. Trikosko, John Bledsoe, and Chick Harrity, so this image looks good. ww2censor (talk) 16:08, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    I saw that, yes, it was linked. With the Nixon artilcle headed towards FAC in a couple of days, it would be good to have.--Wehwalt (talk) 16:18, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    I guess it's OK at Commons.--Wehwalt (talk) 16:27, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    That's great news! – Quadell (talk) 20:28, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, I've already inserted two into the Nixon article. Another great resource everyone can take advantage of!--Wehwalt (talk) 22:18, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

    Two images generated from statistics, need help

    Hi,

    I recently uploaded two images, on my Userpage. File:OntarioWaitlistByOrgan.jpg File:OntarioTransplantByOrgan.jpg

    I do not quite understand the rules with image uploads, when the user originally generates the image from statistical data. I did provide the data source, but I did not retrieve any images from any sources.

    Would anyone be able to help me? File:OntarioWaitlistByOrgan.jpg and File:OntarioTransplantByOrgan.jpg

    Should I just contact the data source and ask permission. If so, what would I do? Do I submit anything to Wikipedia to receive something to add in the description?

    See message on my talk page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ivanalu

    Can anyone help me?

    Ivanalu (talk) 16:39, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

    If I understand correctly, you created the presentation by yourself based on data from a published source. If that is the case you do not need permission to use the data; rather you need to grant Wikipedia permission to use your presentation by adding a free license tag such as {{cc-by-sa-3.0}} on the image description pages. —teb728 t c 19:21, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you TEB728 tc, I'll do that.
    Thank again. Ivanalu (talk) 12:58, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

    Promotional Image - need help

    Hi there. I am a new user and I really need some help. I have created an article in my own user page before I want to send it out into the world of Wikipedia. Now I tried to include a promotional image of the organization under a non-free media use copyright (the image was extracted from a promotional media kit), however the image was deleted by Dashbot, and this was the reasoning given:

    ""This file is unlicensed for use on Wikipedia and allowed only under a claim of fair use per Wikipedia:Non-free content, but it is not used in any articles. Unless some reason to retain it is given, the image will be deleted after Saturday, 6 August 2011. Please remove this template if a reason for keeping this image has been provided, or it is still used in articles.""

    Like I said, I'm new and not sure of where I am going wrong on this. I tried to give an eloquent rationale for its use, but I am not sure where I am going wrong here. Is it possible that since the image is has been uploaded to my user page that it doesn't qualify as an "article" and this is where I am going wrong? Any help would be greatly appreciated! Matt.Govereau (talk) 00:45, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

    You seem to have the basic idea. Non-free images are only permitted to be used in mainspace articles, not in your userspace. Finish the article, move it to mianspace and then upload and add the non-free image but make sure the image complies with all 10 non-free content criteria policy guidelines and all should be well. You may find it useful to read my image copyright information page. Good luck. ww2censor (talk) 01:04, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    If you have any connection with the organization that the article's about, you might also benefit from making yourself familiar with Wikipedia:Conflict of interest to avoid problems further done the line. --Aspro (talk) 16:03, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

    What is this insect fly?

    I have captured a fly/insect on my phone cam and it looks very unique so i would like to know some details about this fly. I dont know how to upload that image here in this question..

    Regards, Hasan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hassuwiki (talkcontribs) 07:00, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

    The place to ask the question is WP:RD/S, To upload go to commons:upload try to logon and upload your picture. Choose a free kind of license since you took the picture yourself. You have not been here long enough to upload an image to Wikipedia itself. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:22, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    If you are in North America, another place you can try is http://bugguide.net. They are pretty good at insect identification there. howcheng {chat} 16:00, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

    Is this image copyrighted? Sacramento_California_1849.jpg

    Is this image copyrighted? Sacramento_California_1849.jpg May I use in in a book I am writing?

    Thanks, -Bill Corp

    Is this image copyrighted? File:Sacramento_California_1849.jpg

    I would like to use it in a book I am writing.

    Thanks, — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.70.56.50 (talk) 14:07, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

    There is no such image hosted here, so we cannot help you. General reuse information is available at Wikipedia:Reusing Wikipedia content. ww2censor (talk) 14:45, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    Its hosted on our sister project Wikimedia Commons and according to that it is so old that it is in the public domain. So yes, it looks OK to me. --Aspro (talk) 15:53, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    For reference, it is at File:Sacramento california 1849.jpg. —teb728 t c 21:06, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

    Not a question, but a request

    Please add two issues to Commons:Template:PD-Sudan:

    • Article 6 of the Sudanese Copyright law, which mentions works not protected by copyrght
    • Article 198 of the Constition of the South Sudan which declares that "All laws of South Sudan shall remain in force [...] unless new action are taken [...]. As there is at the moment no new South Sudanese copyright law, the Sudanese one is still in force there.

    I am not a legal expert nor a native speaker of English, a post this request there, to make sure that a correct legal English is used there.--Antemister (talk) 18:25, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

    Thank you for bringing this to wider attention. But that template is on Commons. Perhaps you would want to mention it at Commons:Commons:Village pump? Or Commons:Template talk:PD-Sudan? I wish you the best. – Quadell (talk) 12:13, 1 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, I know, the issue was discussed on Commons, but there was no one there who updated the template, so I tried here...--Antemister (talk) 20:02, 1 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

    Possible government image

    Could I upload the image on this page to Wikipedia commons as an image of the UK government? I cannot find anything to specifically say that it is owned by the government but can also find nothing to say that it is copyrighted by anything other than the UK government. The same image can be found here, here, here, and here. Another option is the image here, but I think I am more concerned about that one. Please leave a talkback template on my talk page as it is easy for me to miss things. Ryan Vesey Review me! 20:48, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

    Unfortunately, I can't find any information at any of those sites to say when the photo was taken, or who it was taken by. Without that information, we can't determine the copyright status, I'm afraid. I note that the vessel was destroyed in 1940. If we can find an image with information about who holds (or held) the copyright, then we can probably use the image under our non-free content policy. Anybody else have any ideas? – Quadell (talk) 12:22, 1 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    Unhappily there is no substitute for good old fashioned sleuthing. As a first step, email the webmasters and ask where they got it. You only have to get lucky once.--Wehwalt (talk) 12:31, 1 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you both for the replies. Ryan Vesey Review me! 22:15, 1 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

    Photographs of Mexican periodicals

    I'm helping somebody who wants to digitize their slide collection & donate it to the Wikimedia Commons. A section of the images are from Mexican periodicals. (Probably in the 1960s, 1970s or 1980s) Am I correct that this portion of the images couldn't be donated to Wikimedia due to copyright? Some of these images are probably impossible to find, so I'd like to be able to archive them. Cloveapple (talk) 00:02, 1 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

    I am not positive on the copyright issues for your slides from Mexican periodicals, but I would check and see if any of them can be used on a page with a fair-use rationale. They clearly qualify if they are impossible to replicate and you can find a page to use them on. Ryan Vesey Review me! 00:06, 1 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    Based on the commons licencing page commons:COM:L#Mexico, Mexican images are copyright for 100 years pma, so you are way out of luck. ww2censor (talk) 01:37, 1 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you both for your replies. It looks like I am indeed way out of luck. They'll probably have to donate those slides to the same library that is going to archive the periodicals. Thousands of other images from the slide collection should be ok to donate to Wikimedia Commons though. Cloveapple (talk) 21:16, 1 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

    Can Carnildo delete File:Grundemoos.jpg?

    Can Carnildo delete File:Grundemoos.jpg? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Futbol vic (talkcontribs) 07:37, 1 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

    I tagged File:Grundemoos.jpg with {{db-author}} for you. —teb728 t c 08:41, 1 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

    Another ship question

    Can I use the image on this page under a fair-use rationale? It isn't a photograph; however, the ship has been sunk and I believe it would qualify under a fair use rationale for a depiction of a historic item. Ryan Vesey Review me! 23:51, 1 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

    You really cannot use it because the first non-free policy guideline concerns whether the image is replaceable and, being a drawing, someone could make a line drawing of the ship, so the fair-use rationale would fail. ww2censor (talk) 03:00, 2 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

    old discussion on deleting legal images based on copyright paranoia

    What the hell are you talking about? -FASTILY (TALK) 08:48, 2 August 2011 (UT

    Simple:

    1. People ask for an image.
    2. People work to find an image.
    3. People work to upload and image.
    4. People like the image.
    5. Someone else uninvolved deletes the legal image, potentially rudely.
    6. People get furious and scream and learn not to contribute their time.
    • Repeat this a few thousand times and editors will hate your guts, you will hate them.
    • Wikia and our other for-profit competitors, however, will love you.
    • Your deletions EVICT our volunteers. Either you will stop deleting or they will stop volunteering.

    TRUE or FALSE

    "A historic figure testifies before Parliament, filmed by Parliament Cameras. That image may be used in Wikipedia if that's the editors' consensus and allowable under WP:OFFICE and US LAW.

    True (cite Consensus)
    False (Cite a FOUNDATION RESOLUTION or US LAW, not opinion or guideline)