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January 3

Identifying a classical piano piece.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkG5RUTyj_A Anyone know what the extract Lang Lang plays from 6:40 onwards is from? I've been trying to figure out to no avail. BankerK (talk) 03:43, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

That would be from the 1st movement of Beethoven's Piano Concerto No. 1 in C major. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 04:00, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! I assumed that it'd be a sonata or some other solo piano piece, which probably explains part of my difficulties identifying it. BankerK (talk) 04:12, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Whoa! My apologies. It's not Beethoven at all. It's from the 1st movement of Franz Schubert's Wanderer Fantasy. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 04:30, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Sorry but where exactly? I can't really find it. BankerK (talk) 05:42, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I'm having my own doubts too. Now, I'm thinking it's a cadenza from Beethoven's 2nd Piano Concerto, and am listening to it right now to identify the exact moment. Watch this space. Some day I'm having. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 05:48, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

OK. This time I definitely have it, and I have the youtube to prove it, with Lang Lang and all. It was Beethoven, but his Piano Sonata No. 3 in C, Op. 2, No. 3. Watch here from 2:00 for the section played above. Sorry for the earlier misfires. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 07:29, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Building a Casino Related iPhone App and Looking for Suggestions for Card Game / Casino Themed Achievement Levels

I'm building an iPhone app and I'm want to come up with cool/interesting names for specific levels of achievement within the app. I would like the levels to be card themed so the beginner level might be something like The Rookie, The fish or The Shark to the top level (i.e.: Card Ace or High Roller) with about 10 to 15 levels in between. If anyone can suggest cool level names accordingly, I would greatly appreciate it. thanks 50.138.80.176 (talk) 03:58, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Well you have to call the final level "The nuts", as that's the term for having an unbeatable hand ie the best... I'll take my share of the royalties in cash please....... gazhiley 09:34, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

"The nuts" only means the best poker hand at that point. You can be beaten if the remaining cards to be dealt fall just right; e.g. you may have flopped the nut straight, but lose (as I have too many times) to a flush or full house. "The absolute nuts" or "stone cold nuts" cannot be beaten under any circumstances. Clarityfiend (talk) 12:08, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

I know - my point still stands though... It's the most suitable name for the final level IMO... gazhiley 09:05, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

"Donkey" seems to mean a poor player who always loses, so put that near the bottom. You could put "Card Counter" near the top. Another thought is that you could give them titles related to casino jobs. So, "Dealer", "Pit Boss", etc. StuRat (talk) 07:06, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Temporal Portal - The Final Countdown Vs. The Evil Dead II

I caught the end of The Evil Dead II on TV the other night & seen the scene with the temporal portal. Is the temporal portal the same one used (as in made using the same spacial effects/ CGIs) as the one used in the film The Final Countdown ? Also, how was the temporal portal effect made ? 80.254.146.140 (talk) 12:17, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

"Birth of Europe" opening theme

In 1991, the BBC broadcasted an (obviously not too well remembered) threepart documentation, The Birth of Europe. It had an epic opening theme I never heard anywhere else again and which I'd like to retrieve. Can anyone remember? --KnightMove (talk) 16:47, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

According to the BBC website, "Music Arranger: Terry Oldfield". Whether he composed or arranged it, I'm not sure, but it's listed on Terry's Film Music - FILM AND TV CREDITS 1978 to 2008. According to this blog, the soloist was Imogen Moore. Alansplodge (talk) 18:38, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

There's a contact page on Terry Oldfield's site, so you could ask him. Alansplodge (talk) 10:16, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! --KnightMove (talk) 12:23, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

January 5

Missed BBC3 i-player programme

Hi each and a Happy New Year to all of you. Question, my wife and I were away from home around Christmas and today were told by a friend that I had been in a spoof interview broadcast I think on Boxing Day last. I have tried to find it on BBC3 i-player but understand that only goes back 7 days. I remember the spoof interview as my wife and I had been shopping at the Britannia Quay Shopping Centre in Edinburgh a few weeks earlier and would love to see the clip. The producer at the time promised to let me know when to expect it being broadcast but I suspect we were on a cruise when and if they called. Any help would be really appreciated. Thanks 77.99.122.161 (talk) 05:07, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

You can search the Radio Times listings to see if you can spot the show you appeared in. The page for Boxing Day is here, although I scanned through the listings for that week and didn't see anything on any of the main channels that matched your description. Can you remember any more about it, like the subject you talked about?

If you do manage to find the show you were on, and if it does turn out to have already disappeared from iPlayer (you're correct that most shows only stick around for 7 days), then your options are limited. It might be repeated sometime, either on the same channel (in which case it will most likely reappear on iPlayer) or somewhere else. Many BBC shows end up on Dave (TV channel) or Gold (TV channel). It might also come out on DVD, if it was a part of a series. Many BBC videos can be found at the BBC shop, although they may be cheaper elsewhere.

Finally, if all else fails, those who make a 'significant contribution' to a BBC show may request a copy. The details are available here, but be warned: it is somewhat expensive! - Cucumber Mike (talk) 11:59, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Might it have been this show or something similar? I would normally suggest posting a plea on various web forums asking if anyone had recorded your show, but I doubt if such a show broadcast at 03:00 after midnight would have many people pressing the record button. But that show seems to be one that will be repeated either on BBC or elsewhere in the future. Good luck. Sussexonian (talk) 14:12, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

If all else fails, try youtube... There's a LOT of BBC content on there (not all of it legitimately added by BBC, but they haven't challenged it)... gazhiley 11:46, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Hi each, I just want to thank you all for your interest and helpful suggestions. I followed them all up but hit a brick wall with each of them but thanks anyway. I did, however contact the shopping centre management and they have promised to get me the name of the programme producer so that I can make contact and perhaps obtain a copy of the clip. So, once again, thanks to everyone and also to Wonderful Wikipedia. 77.99.122.161 (talk) 00:15, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Some stuff about national bias in the List of best-selling music artists

I must say that I am very suspicious of your list of the best selling artists of all time - not that I think that anyone has purposely done anything wrong but the results are so skewed that they seem highly questionable.

Virtually every artist listed is American and virtually every artist is contemporary and did not start their career until the 60's.

I remember reading once that the best selling artist of all time was an Indian woman unknown in the west. I have no idea if this is true but if Bollywood rivals Hollywood in world wide appeal, it seems reasonable that Indian singers might rival American artists in world wide sales. Obviously artists from Japan, Mainland China, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Japan and the Philippines could have long strings of hits without selling a single English Language record in North America.

By the same token, it seems strange that Frank Sinatra is the only performer who started before the mid fifties and who is on your list. I am thinking for instance of Guy Lombardo and the Royal Canadians who were stars from WW1 until the 1970's and (according to Wikipedia) sold between 100 million and 300 million records but I am sure that there are other early recording artists who are not getting their due.

Most people didn't have television to entertain them at home until the mid-50's and (from what I have read) many people didn't even have home radio sets until the 30's but did have phonographs starting over 100 years ago so it makes sense to me that in the first half of the 20th century a popular artist with popular songs could sell hundred million singles even at a time when people in North America were poorer and less numerous - no competition in terms of home entertainment.

I am guessing that part of the problem might be that in the past artists focused on selling singles and you are not counting singles and that whatever criteria you use to determine what is a certifiable sale are biased to exclude almost all record sales before 1955.

I know that you want to have a clear and objective way to determine what is a true sale but if this creates a huge bias against foreign artists and pre-1955 artists, then the whole exercise becomes meaningless. I think that you need to consider changing your criteria to better reflect the entire history of music and the entire globe.

Otherwise, your results look far too much like the typical results that would come when an average young (under 50) music fan of limited musical knowledge decides to sit down and list the "greatest artists of all time" - it is understandable when an average individual casually making up such a list happens to come up with a list almost entirely made up of post-1960 American artists plus Frank Sinatra (because every knows Frank) but it just seems quite absurd when a serious study comes up with such results - I really just can't believe that not just the top few but basically all of the best selling artists of all time for the entire world are recent American artists selling virtually all of their records in the U.S.. Sort of hits me in the same way as lists that purport that the "most beautiful" ten women in the world all happen to live in one city (Los Angeles) and all have the same job (actress). Wikipedia is great but you really don't want to look that silly - I hope. It's a big diverse world out there and it has been around a while and certainly didn't begin in 1960. Thank you.

                     Geoff  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.229.227.52 (talk) 05:11, 5 January 2013 (UTC) 

You make a good point, but I wonder if Wikipedia is the place for "Lists of best selling..." or whether such lists really belong on the Guinness World Records site? Maybe we need to make more explicit the criteria for appearing in our lists, as opposed to GWR site? --TammyMoet (talk) 09:53, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Michael Jackson's Hairstyles

It seems that Michael Jackson has had many hairstyles; personally, my favourite was his Bad curly and long hairstyle. Like, is there any way to count the number of unique hairstyles he had? I remember watching his "short film" for You Are Not Alone. He had very short hair. Then there was his ponytail (In The Closet), his giant afro (pre-Off The Wall), long straight hair (Dangerous) etc. Is there a page on his hairstyles? Cheers. MJ Fanatic, Bonkers The Clown (Nonsensical Babble) 07:12, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Unresolved

Les Misérables (2012 film)

Just watched the new film last night. A mystery remains. Why did Fantine die? HiLo48 (talk) 09:43, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Because her dream died. Bonkers The Clown (Nonsensical Babble) 09:51, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

If it is worth anything, according to Victor Hugo's original novel, she dies of an unspecified disease (sorry, Hugo was not specific on which disease it was). Zzyzx11 (talk) 22:09, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

I'd say that is worth something. If Hugo didn't feel the need to tell us, the film is being true to the novel. I don't have a problem with that. Thank you. HiLo48 (talk) 00:30, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Having to listen to Russell Crowe singing might have done her in. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 00:25, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

You may have a point. But I do hope you realise that he does have singing experience, in a Sydney rock band. Never heard them perform though. HiLo48 (talk) 00:30, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

• I thought it was clear she died of consumption, which is what they called tuberculosis back then. (Our article Fantine says that's what she died of.) Hugo discusses the disease at two parts in the book, although the latter discussion is not visible at Amazon--in the first it is addressed as advice to Fantine to avoid raising her blood sugar, which was known to strengthen the disease. There used to be some stigma with the consumption, my mother is still embarrassed to mention that one of her ancestors died of it. μηδείς (talk) 17:42, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

  I stand corrected. Medical knowledge and terms were very different 150+ years ago when the book was written, so I sometimes get confused. Cheers. Zzyzx11 (talk) 03:54, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

I am not sure that counts as "correcting" so much as just explaining. Consumption was one of the major causes of death before antibiotics, and a heck of a lot of novels feature it as a factor of life, often almost unspoken, from Thomas Mann's Magic Mountain to Ayn Rand's We The Living. μηδείς (talk) 04:35, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Is there a database of lyrics with faulty language?

(for current development moved to the Language desk. --KnightMove (talk) 16:47, 5 January 2013 (UTC))

What animated cartoon is this?

There was an animated cartoon in the 1960:s (?) with a woman in a wheelchair armed with machineguns, and training asian swimmers for the olympics by having sharks in the training pool. I distinctly remember the best trainee emerging from the training pool supporting himself walking on his hands, because the sharks had bit off everything below his navel. Possibly italian produced, most likely for tv. What cartoon was that (, and is there any good link to it)?

(I thought that one was great when I was a little kid. It didn't harm me none. :-) I have failed utterly googling for it.)

cheers/Rolf

85.231.111.211 (talk) 14:47, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Well, for one thing, it seems to have impaired your googling skills. The dangers of violence in cartoons should never be misunderestimated.  :) -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 21:21, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

You may be right there. Incidentally, may I invite you to a swimming contest? ;) cheers/Rolf 85.231.111.211 (talk) 12:29, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

That's probably Bruno Bozzetto's VIP my Brother Superman from 1968. There "Happy Betty" (the woman in the wheelchair) rules a commercial empire based on asian workforce. I don't remember the part with the asian swimmers and "the best trainee emerging from the training pool supporting himself walking on his hands, because the sharks had bit off everything below his navel", but perhaps that part was cut when I saw that film as a child. I do remember a part where workers are automatically incinerated if they spend too much time on the toilet. Does that ring a bell? — Tobias Bergemann (talk) 08:53, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! That's most likely the one. I don't remember the part about toilets, but short clips on Youtube show both the toilet scene and Happy Betty in her wheelchair. cheers/Rolf 85.231.111.211 (talk) 12:38, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Bourne series

I've watched and read the Bourne legacy article but I'm confused. What's the link to the previous 3 Bourne films? Is it a parallel programme to treadstone that Aaron Cross was in? And were Noah Vosen and Pamela Landy linked to Aaron Cross in any way? What about Ezra Cramer? It seemed like it was a parallel programme to Treadstone/Blackbriar and Pamela Landy etc had no link to it. 90.219.64.4 (talk) 21:19, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

The 2nd paragraph of The Bourne Legacy (film)#Plot covers this pretty well. Project Outcome (the genetic supersoldier project) isn't really related to Treadstone, but the investigation of Treadstone threatens to spread to expose Outcome too. So the people responsible for Outcome, who don't want to see their careers end on C-SPAN, decide close down Outcome and dispose of its product. -- Finlay McWalterჷTalk 21:49, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

So do Noah Vosen and Pamela Landy know about Outcome? And im confused about a scene when Noah Vosen calls Eric Byer and says Bournes in New York. How is Byer linked to Treadstone? And what about Cramer? Does he know about treadstone and Outcome? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.219.64.4 (talk) 00:18, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Another key difference between Treadstone/Blackbriar and Outcome/LARX is that the first two were CIA programs and Outcome/LARX were not. Vosen, Landy and Kramer were all CIA officers, and most likely had no direct connection with Outcome (or its successor, LARX). The connection is that all four programs were "Beta" programs involving genetic engineered "super soldiers"—those privy to the conspiracy (Abbott, Hirsch, Vosen and Byer) were likely aware of each other's involvement in the Beta programs, hence Vosen's warning to Byer. --Canley (talk) 05:21, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

January 6

Earl Campbell Professional Football player

On your list of Heisman Trophy winners you do not list Earl Campbell as a member of the Pro Football Hall of Fame, which he is.

Sorry , couldn't figure out how to do an edit.

He is listed correctly on his own page, but not on that page of Heisman Trophy winners. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.198.17.44 (talk) 00:11, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

I guess you refer to the color coding in List of Heisman Trophy winners#Winners. Earl Campbell has blue background, meaning both "NFL Draft #1 selection of draft" and "Pro Football Hall of Fame Inducted". This looks correct to me. Maybe you think he should have green background but that means he is only in the Hall of Fame and was not #1 selection of draft. He was drafted as #1 in the 1978 NFL Draft. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:23, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

List of Stand Up Comedians.

Why is Barry Sobel not included? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.125.128.215 (talk) 04:51, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Because you haven't added him to the list yet ? See WP:BOLD. StuRat (talk) 04:53, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Because lists are silly. They can never be complete. They represent the whims of whoever notices that page from time to time. HiLo48 (talk) 05:17, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

You've just described all 4 million+ articles, HiLo. No need to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Any encyclopedia that doesn't have a goodly sprinkling of lists should probably not call itself an encyclopedia. Wikipedia has its fair share of lists. Are they incomplete? Yes, they often are. But then, is Wikipedia complete? I think you know the answer to that. Are they silly? No, I don't think so, because if they were, they wouldn't survive. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 06:10, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Oooh. Aussie fight. I need a fourecks and a vegemite sandwich to watch this one... --Jayron32 06:13, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

XXXX is from Queensland. Know why they call it XXXX? Because Queenslanders can't spell beer. (No. Neither Jack nor I is from Queensland.) HiLo48 (talk) 06:56, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Shouldn't that be "Neither Jack nor I am from Queensland?" μηδείς (talk) 17:34, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

It struck me as odd, too. A pedant would probably say "Neither Jack is nor I am from Queensland". -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 18:49, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Both Jack and I are from elsewhere. —Tamfang (talk) 21:37, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

It makes a change from the ongoing US Civil War we sometimes see played out here. Incidentally, I did live in Queensland for 10 years, and for close to 5 years I lived on Milton Road, Toowong, not far from the XXXX Brewery. I still carry the smell, 40 years later. At least that's my explanation.  :) -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 08:21, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Not all lists are silly, but this one seems rather ridiculous because it's indiscriminate and doesn't further anyone's understanding of anything. It should actually be done up as categories and sub-categories, as with the list of singers. Matt Deres (talk) 18:58, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

No, it shouldn't. Nor should the perpetual list vs. category war be re-fought here. Rmhermen (talk) 02:12, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Tracing Tenor LUCIANO RAMPASO (Italy)

I am referring to the following: Philadelphia Lyric Opera Company From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia The Philadelphia Lyric Opera Company was an American opera company located in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania that was active between 1958 and 1974. The company was led by a number of Artistic Directors during its history, beginning with Aurelio Fabiani. Many notable singers performed leading roles with the company including Luigi Alva, Carlo Bergonzi, Grace Bumbry, plus many other names. The final opera performance by the company was held on November 22, 1974. Another staging of La bohème, it starred Jean Fenn as Mimì and Luciano Rampaso as Rodolfo

The name Luciano Rampaso is of interest to me. I am researching for a book on the history of Musical Societies in Ireland. One Society 1956 - 1979 In 1966 an Italian Tenor Luciano Rampaso had a leading role in Song of Norway, an operetta written in 1944 by Robert Wright and George Forrest. Is this the same person? I am trying to get some history and possible a photo of this person. Thanking you Joe Connolly — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.46.108.155 (talk) 12:38, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

I found one of those tantalising "snippet views" on Google Books, from a publication (maybe a magazine?) called Opera Canada (Canadian Opera Association, 1982) says, "Luciano Rampaso, who has sung leading roles in Tosra, Tabarro and Pagliacci with the Canadian Opera Company, is an accomplished artist in oils." That seems to be all there is.

However, if that is correct, Anne-French Fine Arts says of the artist; "LUCIANO RAMPASO was born in Milan, Italy in 1934. He studied at the Academy of Belle Arts and now resides in the British Isles since 1970. He travels extensively from Great Britain to France and to Italy, painting the scenic splendors of their glorious cities." There's no mention of an operatic career, but the painting displayed is of the Paris Opera House. A birth date of 1934 would make him 32 in 1966. I couldn't find a photograph of him, but a Google Image search brings up a lot of his paintings and examples of his signature. Alansplodge (talk) 15:56, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Yes I also have come up with the same name Lucian Rampaso - an artist born Italy 1934 but no mention of a singing career or music? Maybe some one out there could solve this mystery. Thank you for your reply. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Puredrama (talk • contribs) 16:40, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

I found a few mentions of him by googling "Luciano Rampaso tenor" - [1], [2], [3], [4]. They may be of interest. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 19:07, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Luciano Rampasowas married to my cousin and living in Washington, DC when I was a young child. I recall hearing him perform in an opera, and painting a portrait of my brother. My cousin and he moved to Killincarrig, Co. Wicklow later in the 1970s. They divorced so I lost track of him.

January 8

Are horror films the most watched?

Or what other thing? Kyxx (talk) 12:46, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

By whom (age groups, male/female, other demographics)? In which country or region? On TV, at the cinema, on CD, downloaded, pirated, what? When (currently, and going back how far; or since the invention of film)?

Sorry, but if you can pin your question down to some specifics, we might have a ghost of a chance to help you. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 19:28, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Nice pun! --BDD (talk) 22:07, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Probably not, regardless of how you define it. Horror films tend to attract cult followings, but mainstream genres such as action films and romantic comedy films have much broader appeal (for one, people who are easily scared or have weak stomachs are likely to avoid horror). Scanning the list of Academy Award for Best Picture winners and nominees, horror films are almost entirely absent, with The Exorcist being the main exception. Not that Academy Award honors always have much to do with popularity. --BDD (talk) 22:07, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

The nightly TV news should qualify as a horror film. Almost every traffic accident is described as a "horror smash" these days. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 22:20, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Scanning the list of highest grossing films shows a lack of horror films. The exceptions being Psycho and The Exorcist which did well in their year of release but not overall. Rmhermen (talk) 21:52, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

@BDD — Aren't you forgetting something? ;) Kurtis ^(talk) 01:23, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedians on Jeopardy!

I aspire to be on Jeopardy! one day, and I think being a Wikipedian is tremendous practice. So I was wondering if any known Wikipedians have been Jeopardy! contestants before, or if any contestants have mentioned Wikipedia as a study aid or hobby. --BDD (talk) 22:39, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

What do you mean by "known"? I was one, though I didn't win anything other than a week in Miami Beach (which I turned down due to not wanting to pay the tax). Clarityfiend (talk) 00:03, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Not that this addresses your question, but being on Jeopardy! is nothing like editing wikipedia, and being a contributor won't help much unless you cover a huge swath of broad subjects. A thirst for knowledge and an ability to retain information is great, but as much as knowing the stuff is important, knowing the game is more important. Lots of smart people have bombed out. I've read a few books by Jeopardy! contestants, especially Ken Jennings and Bob Harris. Knowing the buzzer, the little word games they play to leave clues within each answer and how to wager intelligently are vital. I haven't been on Jeopardy!, but I did participate in a televised quiz program in high school, and it's those tricks (and dealing with the pressure. It goes very fast) that get you the win. Plus Jeopardy! is wide knowledge, not so much deep. Watching religiously is great practice. Mingmingla (talk) 00:12, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

One important key on shows like that is never buzz in if you don't know. The successful ones don't guess. Of course, you have to get there first. I understand Jeopardy! has a difficult preliminary written exam. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 01:23, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

The written exam isn't any more difficult than the online exam, at least when I took it. The key to that part of the audition is to be interesting and telegenic (I am neither). Adam Bishop (talk) 12:11, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Agreed. In the UK, contestants seem to be chosen for their entertainment value rather than their intelligence. The only exception to this could be Mastermind. Alansplodge (talk) 16:46, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Indeed. I had to get 35 of 50 written questions right. Those who passed (about 10% or less in my group, although they told us about one group, in Calgary I think, where no one did) were then put into a mock game with two others for a couple of minutes of questioning and answering answering and questioning to see how you came off. I passed the written exam twice, years apart. After I didn't get a call back the first time, being soft spoken, I made sure to speak more loudly the second, and also have a few amusing anecdotes prepared to use for the "get to know you" bit after the first commercial break. Clarityfiend (talk) 02:59, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

They travel around the country, and even to the Great White North, to recruit, so you might want to check their site to see if or when they'll be in your neighborhood. Clarityfiend (talk) 03:16, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

January 9

Love Me Tender recording

Love Me Tender (song) says that Elvis never re-recorded the song in a studio. Was the version we commonly hear from the film soundtrack recording? (It sounds like it.) Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 02:34, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

film genre dealing ethnic stereotypes like Bourekas films

Is there any film genre that has the name of a dish and it deals with ethnic or racial stereotypes like Israel's Bourekas film genre? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Donmust90 (talk • contribs) 02:54, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Spaghetti Westerns? --Jayron32 03:07, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Similarly, we have articles on Meat pie Western and Macaroni Combat. Not sure the films in these genres are about ethnic or racial stereotypes, but their labels are what they are. Kitchen sink drama? ---Sluzzelin talkñ

Hurricane relief benefit single

In the article about We Are Family (song), there were several cover versions mentioned. But I wish someone had edited into the article something about a Hurricane Katrina benefit version. Here are a few sentences to get that person started. In 2006, there was a re-working of the song for Hurricane Katrina relief. In 2007, there was a benefit concert. It was We Are Family: Hurricane Katrina Benefit Concert, hosted by Steve Harvey. The song might've been included. Where else is there a good place to start? Anyone know?142.255.103.121 (talk) 07:46, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Well, this is the encyclopedia anyone can edit - even you! But "The song might've been included"? We only deal in facts here. Was it included or wasn't it? If it wasn't, what's the point of the sentence or question? --TammyMoet (talk) 10:36, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

I tried looking around. But all I get is a lot of the wrong information. So I put the statements in bold for another person to help me out.142.255.103.121 (talk) 04:44, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Robin Hood's real name

In your article on the Errol Flynn 1938 movie "The Adventures of Robin Hood", you have a list of actors along with the character they play in the movie.

You show Errol Flynn and

"Sir Robin of Locksley"

and then

at the least "Earl of Locksley"

This makes no sense. Did you mean to say that at the end of the movie the King awarded Robin with the title of Earl of Locksley (a higher rank than Sir) ? If that is the case, you need to CHANGE the word "least" to "at story's end, named"

I think the writer meant to say "last", but I think it should be expanded as I've written above.

Thanks !```` — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.71.14.19 (talk) 18:04, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, that's a bit awkwardly phrased. It should be sufficient to credit Errol Flynn as "Robin Hood". The cast list doesn't need to become needlessly complicated with the intricacies of his titles and names. I'll fix that presently. If you want to know the full bredth and depth of the history of the fictional character in various media, and of his historical antecedants, the Wikipedia article Robin Hood is probably a good place to start. --Jayron32 18:13, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

And apparently "Robert", Robin being a nickname for Robert. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 01:21, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Songs from Horror Films

I am looking for songs that act, in horror films, as an entrance for the villain. This began after watching 1408 (film) and its use of "We've Only Just Begun" by The Carpenters. Unfortunately, I am not a huge horror film person, having only seen 4 before. The other example that jumps to mind is Jeepers Creepers (song) in the film with the same title. I prefer songs, not musical scores. Pop-like stuff. Thanks for any help you can provide. The Reader who Writes (talk) 21:13, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

The most singular horror movie song I can think of is Mike Oldfield's Tubular Bells, which I've never met a person who didn't think "Horror film" when they heard the opening of it. --Jayron32 21:17, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

There must be not a few people like myself who (a) first heard the tune on record and (b) have never watched the relevant movie, who therefore do not have that association. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 84.21.143.150 (talk) 14:00, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

"Jeepers Creepers" may have been used as kind of dark satire, like the renditions of moon-related songs in An American Werewolf in London, but the song itself is bouncy and lively. I'm not sure if the OP is ruling out instrumentals, but if not, then Mancini's theme for Experiment in Terror and Bernard Herrmann's theme for Psycho might fit. Also the Jaws theme by John Williams, a leitmotif for anytime the shark shows up (assuming you consider the shark a villain, which could be arguable). ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 05:49, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

If you are willing to include Horror comedy (genre) then Sweet Transvestite from The Rocky Horror Show and the The Rocky Horror Picture Show fit.

It's not exactly what you're looking for, but in the film Lady in White the song "Did You Ever See a Dream Walking?" is associated with the ghost of a young girl. The ghost is not a villain, but her murderer's whistling of the song is what identifies him as the killer. And my mention of whistling just now brings to mind Hans Beckert (Peter Lorre) in M, whose continual whistling of Grieg's "In the Hall of the Mountain King" serves as a kind of "entrance music", alerting the viewer to his presence. It's not technically a song, I guess, but its not part of the musical score of the film, either. Deor (talk) 13:23, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Telltale signs that this (show - recording - broadcast) is instructed / faux opposed to not instructed reality

Just wondering ..... I'm much more skeptical about freak news and other actually a lot of other things being shown on regular broadcast tv.

So this is it -> After I've been working as a Runner on two different film casts - one fictionary film with 10 shooting days in a lot of different locations I was amazed... shit... these people were not experienced filmmakers.... but ten days and no budget.. and still they managed spend like 8 hours for scenes only supposed to last maybe 20 mintes.

Anywyays...the other film was a sort of a documentary.... shot during 3 days.....very much different.

When these films will be shown it's of course gonna be advertised as movies/fiction...

But I just saw to much.... Moving around..doing scenes different...

If you get my idea.. iS THIS ALSO the reality for all the shows on tv...like ultimate survival, myth buster's and etc.

Damn I was in the midst of it all...and it was so many people faking reality...

The question is..... How much of what you can see in TV shows/programmes are not instructed... I think NOthing... Weird examples please...with cigars on top.85.81.121.107 (talk) 22:11, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

No, there's really nothing on TV that isn't carefully edited together to maximize the dramatic interest. At all. There's no examples of someone that just points a camera at a scene and leaves it on for a while and then airs that footage. Well, maybe C-SPAN. But nothing anyone actually watches. --Jayron32 22:20, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

How about interviews where the (smart) guest insists that they broadcast the interview in whole, to prevent them from warping what was said ? StuRat (talk) 22:43, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

If by "not instructed" you mean not scripted, then sure, there are quite a few. Most game shows, many "reality" shows (although some are faked), many interviews, many clips on America's Funniest Home Videos-type shows, much news footage, sports events, etc. StuRat (talk) 22:46, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Well, except that most reality shows, even if not scripted, are edited to be essentially scripted. The producers decide that certain persons on a reality show will fill certain archtypical roles (the nerd, the asshole, the priss, the nice guy, etc.) and then will edit scenes and dialogue to give them those archetypes, even if the people themselves aren't that way really. It's how they work: they create the "script" on the fly with creative editing. Reality shows are no more real than sitcoms, they just go about generating their fiction in a different manner. --Jayron32 02:56, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

It makes for a snappier package, for sure. Think of the average fishing show. Isn't it amazing how they always manage to catch some fine fish within an hour? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 05:43, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Wouldn't know. Never watched a fishing show. I'm aware they exist, but then again I'm aware that Inguinal hernias exist, but I do what I can to avoid them. --Jayron32 06:26, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Good plan. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 07:00, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Actually they don't always catch a fish "within the hour". Both Robson and that chap who searches exotic rivers for monster fish occasionally say things that amount to "...and then we waited for ages but that bit's not very telegenic so we'll only show enough of the waiting to give you the idea that it happened". Britmax (talk) 10:22, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Do the characters ever go to the toilet, just do their business and leave again? Most people assume Star Trek never had toilets (see this search), probably because it's never interesting enough to broadcast. Characters also rarely talk about the normal banalities like everyone else does. Film and TV is full of the interesting stuff that is usually essential to the plot in some way - the exception that immediately leaps to mind is Pulp Fiction which is full of Jules and Vincent chatting about European burgers, foot massages, and so on. Real life on the other hand is full of dull moments which very few TV shows bother to show the audience. Astronaut (talk) 17:19, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Of course not. TV is an escape from reality. So is the cinema, and novels, and music, and alcohol and drugs, and travel, and food, and Wikipedia, and sex. Not saying they're necessarily bad things. Ever wondered why so-called "reality television" is even less like actual reality than TV shows that are not so-described? -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 20:25, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Home movies were/are kind of a primitive "reality" filming. Imagine your family being filmed for 24 hours. That might be a bit much. 8 minutes? That, we could handle. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 05:04, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

US TV ratings

I was wondering if someone could direct me to a source giving ratings for a film that appeared on HBO on October 20, 2012. I've recently been expanding The Girl in the hope of getting it to GA status, and although I can find ratings for its UK television debut (like this one), the same information doesn't appear to be available for the US broadcast. Someone gave me this link which does give listings, but there's nothing for The Girl. Can anyone help? Cheers in advance. Paul MacDermott (talk) 22:33, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Think I have it from here. Paul MacDermott (talk) 23:54, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

OK, then I'll mark it resolved. If you disagree, please remove the tag. StuRat (talk) 00:43, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

I did think I'd resolved it, but unfortunately this isn't a reliable source as the stats are in a posting after the article. They're sourced from here, which in turn is sourced from Nielsen, but I can't seem to track that down. I've added it as an offline ref for now, but would appreciate it if anyone could find the original somewhere on the web. Cheers, Paul MacDermott (talk) 13:04, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

January 10

Singer whose name has escaped my mind

So there's a certain country singer (or blues/bluegrass, can't even remember) I had floating around a few years back, he was about 87 or 85 at the time and I think from Missouri or Kentucky (?). Recorded the mixer dance Oh Johnny. Name has totally escaped my mind, and it's bugging me a lot. Apparently there were rumours of his demise or something in the early 2000s but he came out to refute them, and as far as I know he should still be living. Any idea whatsoever? – Connormah (talk) 03:28, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Oh, and it's worth mentioning that I'm about 99% sure he had an article on here as well. – Connormah (talk) 03:35, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

There's Slim Dusty's version, though he's Australian. --Jayron32 03:47, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Here's a long list from Allmusic.com. Oh, Johnny (or Oh, Johnny Oh. Or Oh Johnny, Oh Johnny, Oh) is a bit of a standard, so there's a thousand versions out there, from everyone from folk singers to big bands and everything in between. Maybe that will help you find the specific version. --Jayron32 03:57, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Don't believe that's a match (Dusty). Could have been Fenton G. "Jonesy" Jones (1907–2003) but I swear that this fellow was alive about 2-3 years ago and I can't find the recording of Jones' online. The name was an unconventional one too I think (something like Fenton...). Will look through the list though. – Connormah (talk) 04:00, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Took a look through the list and did not find anything. Hm.. – Connormah (talk) 04:50, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Looks to be Fenton Jones after some more looking. The person I was looking for seems to have been completely unrelated, haha. Thanks for the help Jayron. – Connormah (talk) 04:27, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

January 11

snake venom murder scene

hi, i don't remember the movie name which has a scene where a victim is injected a snake venom to create a scenario of natural death by snake bite. Investigator finds it by analysing the injected body region which is not like snake bitten, but is set up to simulate a natural way. Any movies that u know involve this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.120.141.254 (talk) 03:46, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Murder in Times Square from the 1940s is one possibility. There's also the much more recent Fatal Trust, a Made-for-TV film. Just some things I found with Google, using "snake venom murder movie" as a search term. --Jayron32 06:41, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

identifying a song

There's a song that incorporates lines from many other (1960s, I think) songs. Among its lyrics are "peanut peanut butter" (from the song "Peanut Butter" by the Marathons) and IIRC "who put the ram" (from the song "Who Put the Bomp (in the Bomp, Bomp, Bomp)"). Alas (and surprisingly), Googling "peanut peanut butter" ram lyrics and Googling "peanut peanut butter" "put the ram" lyrics do not turn up the song. Can anyone identify it (and provide information about it), please?—msh210℠ 07:05, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

I removed one instance of "peanut" from your search, and Redman's "It's Like That (My Big Brother)" dominates the results. Were you looking for a song from the 60s? --BDD (talk) 16:14, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

No, that's not the song. I don't know when the song I seek is from (and searching with one peanut dropped doesn't find it for me), but it sounds like a '60s song.—msh210℠ 17:24, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Googling "peanut peanut butter" "who put the" lyrics also doesn't find it.—msh210℠ 17:38, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Was it a song that had the same person singing all those lines, or were they samples? If the latter, it could it have been a track from a sound collage artist such as People Like Us. For example, her album Welcome Abroad is entirely composed of samples from '60s and '70s, and collages like this don't turn up in online lyrics databases. Regards, Orange Suede Sofa (talk) 17:45, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

It sounded to me like the same person/group singing throughout, not samples.—msh210℠ 19:48, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

I should say where I heard it: recently, on an oldies station (IIRC KZQZ-AM).—msh210℠ 20:10, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Iconically complex rules in sports

In a discussion on the Miscellaneous desk about the rules of cricket, leg before wicket is described as "a mysterious and arcane shibboleth that only a 9th dan cricket watcher can describe properly". I can think of a couple of similar rules in other sports that are often considered particularly complex for outsiders to fully understand - for example offside in soccer, the infield fly rule in baseball. What other sporting rules might fall into this category? -OpenToppedBus - Talk to the driver 10:11, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Despite incessant attempts at rule changes, many of the infringements that are penalised by rugby union referees during scrummages, rucks and mauls are not only invisible to the fan, but difficult to comprehend. --Dweller (talk) 10:33, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

The balk rule in baseball is another fairly arcane one; most of the illegal moves it covers are imperceptible to the vast majority of observers. In American football, rules pertaining to illegal formations require some serious explaining for the profane to understand, especially when it comes to an offensive lineman having to switch uniform numbers for a play because he becomes an eligible receiver as a result of the formation, etc. --Xuxl (talk) 13:18, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

The fair catch rule in American football has a history of complexity that seems incongruous given it's simplicity on face value. It looks like "wave your hand in the air, and you get to catch the ball without being bothered", but historically it's been one of the most flexible rules with a history of complex changes and nuance that seems out-of-balance with what should be something fairly simple. David M. Nelson's The Anatomy of a Game[5] spends an inordinate amount of time on the evolution and subtleties of the rule, and calls it "the most altered in the history of the game"(p54) American football is a trove of complicated rules beyond that. The rules for Pass interference,[6] in the NFL have 4 subsections to delineate what may or may not be pass interference (with lots of "includes but is not limited to" language), along with several exceptions and clarifying notes. For people unfamiliar with the game, the "eligible receiver" and "legal formation" and "motion" rules seem particularly difficult to grasp at first. --Jayron32 14:04, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

The original intent of such rules was plain to see, but they've had to be fine-tuned over the years. One rule I get questioned about sometimes is the not-caught third strike. It seems a bit obscure, but it's been a rule since the days of the Knickerbockers. Also, recently I had to explain the "lining up in the neutral zone" rule to someone who's been a football fan for many years but isn't necessarily up on the fine points of the rules. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 15:06, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Indeed. The rationale behind the eligible receiver and illegal formation rules is a) to maintain a competitive balance between offense and defense and b) to ensure player safety. The formation rules for offense specifically exist to outlaw the flying wedge and other mass-attack running formations, which have a high potential for injury; it mandates that seven people MUST line up on the line of scrimmage so they can't all get a long running start. Eligible receiver rules exist because if the any of the 11 players on offense could catch a pass it would be impossible to defend them. Still, try explaining to the casual fan the difference between a flanker and a split end, or why "covering the tight end" results in a 5 yard penalty, or what constitutes an "ineligible receiver downfield", what it means for an "ineligible number to report", or other situations when it is legal for an otherwise ineligible receiver to be downfield, and you get that 30 degree twist of the head that is the universal sign of "I hear the words you are speaking, but it still makes no sense to me". --Jayron32 17:50, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Do you think that team sports necessarily develop more complex rules than individual sports? I can think of no rules in tennis or swimming, for example, as complex as those mentioned here. Maybe some combat sports might come close - I never really got my head around right-of-way when watching fencing at the Olympics. --OpenToppedBus - Talk to the driver 17:43, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, rules in fencing are fairly esoteric. I think another individual sport that gets very complex in its rules and interpretations is golf, for example the sorts of things you are, and are not, allowed to do with the ball, the ground around you, and your club. For someone not intimately familiar with the game, you'll hear some controversial call about someone receiving (or not receiving) a stroke penalty for some esoteric rule violation. --Jayron32 17:50, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Tennis is mostly known for the unnecessarily complicated tennis score, but players and spectators have to learn it and quickly get used to it. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:33, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

The theory behind the right-of-way rules is simple: fencing derives from dueling, so you need to at least pretend that there's a risk of getting skewered if you ignore the other guy's sword. It's the details of "enforced pretending" where things get tricky. --Carnildo (talk) 03:23, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Oh, and just to prove the entire point of the thread, I need to correct something Xuxl said above which is incorrect. When he said "when it comes to an offensive lineman having to switch uniform numbers for a play because he becomes an eligible receiver as a result of the formation", that's wrong. Offensive linemen are required at all levels of football to wear uniforms numbered in the 50s, 60s, or 70s so they can be visually identified by referees and by the other team. However, that doesn't mean they need to change their uniform number if the coach wishes to put them in another position: instead, what happens is that the player reports to the ref and says "I'm going to be playing in an eligible position". The referee will then tell the opposing team "Player number 77 on the other team will be lining up in an eligible position". This is called something like "Ineligible number reporting to play an eligible position". So, if a player that normally plays center is going to line up as a tight end, he just tells the ref, the ref tells the other team, and then he's allowed to do that. No uniform changes necessary. --Jayron32 18:02, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

The tuck rule is one of those needlessly complicated exceptions that doesn't really make any sense to new followers of gridiron, or even to people who have watched it their entire life. Livewireo (talk) 19:22, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

The tuck rule is an attempt to remove the need for referees to make a snap judgement as to the intent of the player. Regardless of the kerfuffle over the Brady example from 2001, the rule simply states that a ball lost in the act of throwing a forward pass is never a fumble, and for the purpose of deciding what is or isn't a forward pass, the only relevant information is the motion of the thrower's hand. If the thrower's hand is moving forward, it's a forward pass. The tuck rule is a clarification which just says "don't try to figure out if the thrower was actually aborting the attempt to pass in mid throw before or after the ball came out of their hand" because doing so is nigh-on impossible. If the hand is going forward with the ball in it, and the ball comes out of the hand, it's an incomplete pass and not a fumble. The rule is only made complicated by bitter Raiders fans who want to hold on to the belief that they were robbed. The rule itself is simple. Ball-in-hand moving forward, ball leaves hand, it's a pass attempt and not a fumble. To operate in a world where referees had to decide, in the moment (or with the use of replay) what manner of forward hand motion would constitute a forward pass and what ones would not would actually be more complicated. --Jayron32 19:51, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Back to the initial post here... As an Australian, brainwashed in cricket knowledge from birth, but also pretty familiar with baseball, I regard the infield fly rule in baseball as a very rational part of the game, far more logical than the present form of the leg before wicket law in cricket. It's worth noting that cricket laws these days are massive international compromises. The powerful nations (and no, it's not a democracy of equal rights) only allow law changes that won't disadvantage their teams. The current complexities of the leg before wicket law seemed to come out what England would allow back in the 1960s. HiLo48 (talk) 19:29, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

The intent of the LBW rule clearly is to prevent the batsman from "interfering" with the bowler's delivery. I think of it as being similar to a batter standing in such a way that he's actually within the strike zone. Thus baseball says if the batter gets hit by a pitch, it's a strike, not a hit batsman. Not so severe as the cricket rule (unless it's strike three), but the same idea... supplemented in cricket with a number of exceptions and exceptions to exceptions and so on. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 21:36, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

You've hit the nail on the head with "a number of exceptions and exceptions to exceptions and so on". You've explained the baseball analogy. Now explain those exceptions. HiLo48 (talk) 22:00, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

The history indeed seems complex, but it seems to have to do with fairness. A batsman might allow a spun ball to hit him, on the theory that it wouldn't have knocked over a wicket. But a bowler might throw a spun ball with the intention of hitting the batsman and getting him dismissed. To me this part is analogous to the batter standing stock-still while a pitch comes at him, hoping to be sent to first base. But if he lets the ball hit him, it's only a ball, not a hit batsman. Countering that, if a pitcher is obviously trying to intimidate a batter, he can be warned and then ejected if necessary. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 23:42, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Canada's Walk of Fame

When are known the inductees of each year? Thank you. Kyxx (talk) 13:59, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

I assume it will be the same time as last year's. It's not difficult to find List of inductees of Canada's Walk of Fame which includes towards the end "...the 2011 class were inducted on October 1, 2011 at Elgin Theatre in Toronto". Last year's inductees were announced in this press release from June 2012. So, the answer is: it's announced in June, but the ceremony is not until October. Astronaut (talk) 17:59, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Do any other sports than cricket have laws?

Having just posted in the Iconically complex rules in sports thread above, being pedantic enough to note that cricket doesn't have rules, it has the laws, I wondered... Do any other sports have laws? HiLo48 (talk) 19:38, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

I'm sure laws is just a synonym for rules here, it's an arbitrary word choice probably based on the specific time and place where such rules were first compiled. FIFA also calls their rules laws, and that's likely because association football and cricket were both first codified in the same place, at the same time (19th century Britain). This is confirmed also as Rugby (IRB) also uses the word "Laws" --Jayron32 19:44, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Laws of the Game is a disambiguation page. By the way, many languages don't have a special word for referee but just use the word for judge (compare interlanguage links to see examples). PrimeHunter (talk) 20:27, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Well, there's another difference - referees vs umpires. HiLo48 (talk) 20:38, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

American football has all three: referees, umpires, and judges. --Jayron32 20:42, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Now that's just being greedy. HiLo48 (talk) 20:48, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

I'm surprised they don't have lawyers as well. IBE (talk) 04:35, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Oh, but they do: [7]. --Jayron32 04:48, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

January 12

Which horror movie is this?

Would anyone happen to know which horror movie these stills are from? It seems to have been made within the last 20 years or so, and is about a female serial killer. -- noosphere 05:13, 12 January 2013 (UTC)