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I'll take a look

I'll take a look, although I also manage to screw up the tags. Thanks for the heads up. Neutrality^talk 23:27, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Oh, that's a clever template! thanks! Neutrality^talk 00:05, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

@Neutrality: (you can reply in your talk page, and use {{ping}} as in

{{ping|Cwobeel}}

to notify me.) - Cwobeel (talk) 00:11, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

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Edit warring at Jeb Bush Political Positions

Cwobeel, would you please join in discussion instead of edit-warring? Thanks.Anythingyouwant (talk) 14:43, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

The pot calling the kettle black? - Cwobeel (talk) 14:45, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

I said that I have made my last revert about this for the day. It's your call what you will do.Anythingyouwant (talk) 14:50, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

Presidential candidate comments on Charleston church shooting

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Mention at 3RR

You were mentioned here. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 02:24, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

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Josh Duggar

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Eyes

I'd appreciate some eyes at the Jared Fogle article along with some wisdom and help insofar as policy and dealing with a stubborn newbie editor who is truly testing my patience. Edit warring is going on, too. Take a look at the most recent discussion section on the talk page and the most recent edit warring and aggressive edits, if you would. It will likely shed light on what's going on. Thanks,-- WV ● ✉ ✓ 04:04, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

I'll take a look. - Cwobeel (talk) 04:08, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

ROFL Wikipedia:Fringe theories/Noticeboard#Josh Duggar - Cwobeel (talk) 14:43, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Correct

You are right. My assessment? A complete prick. Only here to win and goad, not create and improve an encyclopedia. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 06:47, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Exactly. I will most definitively not take the bait. He enjoys the drama to no end and I will not give it that benefit. - Cwobeel (talk) 13:26, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

ROFL Wikipedia:Fringe theories/Noticeboard#Josh Duggar - Cwobeel (talk) 14:43, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Nice. ;-) -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 14:49, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

I did look into the issue(s) you two have had in the past out of curiosity and to see if I could find a behavior pattern. Didn't have to look far to find that pattern. All I can say is "Wow" and am forced to wonder why the community has put up with such behavior for too long. Definitely the worst of the dark underside of Wikipedia. Clever and tricky along with conniving and dishonest, but not always the brightest bulb on the tree when allowing true motives shine through through what's being said. This is the kind of person I look at and wonder, "With the talents you obviously possess, why not use them for good instead of hurting others?" Plenty of books have been written about that type of personality, and a lot of them are on my bookshelves. Take care, stay away. No good can come of ever getting sucked back into that again. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 16:38, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

yep. My personal opinion is that this guys has lots of problems, so out of compassion I would not indulge. - Cwobeel (talk) 16:45, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

The email claim was interesting and revealing in a weird, slightly scary way. Willing to go to all kinds of lengths, obviously. If you haven't seen it (and if you can stomach it), look at my talk page and the response(s) I left for him that give links to more of his handiwork as parting shots. Oh, and commenting at a 3RR I filed was an interesting touch, too. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 16:52, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Did you see the Jared Fogle changes in spite of consensus and policy? -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 21:12, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Again

Look who showed up out of the blue for no valid reason. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 17:15, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

My apologies. I didn't think he would go there and mention you. I wasn't trying to involve you, just a "can you believe this?" kind of thing. I know you and I have had severe differences in the past, and I imagine we will in the future. That said, I'd like to extend a sincere olive branch so that, in the future, when we do have differences, that they will be only in the spirit of each of us wanting to improve the 'pedia. I've come to respect you over the last week or so and hope that we can find some middle ground that will keep us from feeling as if we are adversaries. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 17:49, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Sure, no problems.- Cwobeel (talk) 17:50, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

So you know, I haven't pinged you at AN/I so you will get involved, just so you know I am mentioning you and why. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 18:43, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, I understand. - Cwobeel (talk) 19:30, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Your opinion, please

What do you make of this? Is it a joke? If so, I'm not getting the punchline. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 21:31, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Just harmless fun in response to a strange comment by Lootbrewed. - Cwobeel (talk) 21:35, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

I guess. With everything else that's been going on, I'm open to anything being possible. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 21:37, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)(edit conflict) You haven't asked for my opinion, I know, Winkelvi, but you can have it anyway: it's a joke. Or rather two jokes, by BlueSalix and Mandruss respectively. Sorry, but I thought it was fairly funny. :-) Bishonen | talk 21:38, 26 August 2015 (UTC).

After what I've been experiencing with one of the two over the last six days, I'm not feeling the humor. Maybe at a later date. And your opinion is not unwelcome, Bishonen -- thanks for adding your comments. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 21:46, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Now past 3RR

See here. I count 7 in 24 hours. Let it go? -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 05:02, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Winkelvi, why is it that you feel the need to constantly bring Cwobeel into your drama? Yet again, you are going behind someone's back to whine about them. Your wars with so many other editors is endless and it is likely to result in some type of action by administrators that will make you very unhappy. You need to stop constantly looking for trouble. Have you already forgotten the final warning you received today? Lootbrewed (talk) 05:34, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Never mind the right and wrong, innocence or guilt. In my time around you for the recent weeks, you have been perpetually short-tempered. That's detrimental to both you and the project, and the wise editor takes as much wikibreak as they need to avoid reaching that state of mind. ―Mandruss ☎ 05:46, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Who are you addressing, Mandruss? -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 05:58, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

You. ―Mandruss ☎ 05:59, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Ah. You know another thing wise editors do, Mandruss? They realize some people have had enough chastisement, advice, raking over the coals, being yelled at, being told they are a worthless pain in the ass and should leave Wikipedia forever in one day for yet one more editor to pile on even more. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 06:04, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Look at this talk page. Five threads. All senseless drama. And who started all of them? Lootbrewed (talk) 06:26, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Yet more reason for a wikibreak. You seem to have missed my point, which has nothing to do with who is in the right. If I'm being repeatedly victimized to the point of serious and protracted anger, I take a wikibreak. For the alternative, see Don Quixote. ―Mandruss ☎ 06:51, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

I saw your point right away. More importantly, you're you, I'm me. What you would do (and what you said above), I wouldn't. Different people, different way of dealing with things. C'est la vie. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 06:56, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Ok. I think it's pretty clear a wikibreak is in your near future, voluntary or otherwise. ―Mandruss ☎ 07:01, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

And there you go piling on again. I find it fascinating how so many anonymous people who only know other anonymous people from reading what they type into a computer keyboard and onto a computer screen think they know so much about that other person's life online and what's in store for them. Or that they even have a right to speculate. It's amusing, really. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 07:06, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Caution

I am just starting to look over your many edits during the past 24 hours at Carly Fiorina, and may then ask for an edit-warring block. So, you may want to consider reverting your most recent edit. But, if you think it's totally legitimate, and that there is no edit-warring issue, then you can (of course) leave the edit in place.Anythingyouwant (talk) 15:56, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

Okay, since you didn't self-revert I have filed a 3RR report. I do these very rarely, so hopefully I crossed the i's and dotted the t's. Link is here.Anythingyouwant (talk) 16:38, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Cwobeel for the self-revert, and I have withdrawn the 3rr report. Enjoy the break.Anythingyouwant (talk) 18:35, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

HP

This edit of yours doesn't indicate whether the 145,000 was before all of the 30,000 layoffs or before some of them, or after all of them. So I don't see what purpose is served by the edit. If it makes you happy, I'll accept your edit, but not for any other reason.Anythingyouwant (talk) 04:11, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

Layoffs, if you read the other parts of the article, were implemented after the merger (in fact one of the reasons for the merger was to reduce costs by reducing headcount). So all in all, if you take into account that 8,000 jobs were added via other acquisitions... it ended up being a wash. That's is why that material is really not relevant; the ony relevant thing is that she created massive disruption in 30,000 families. - Cwobeel (talk) 14:21, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

Twenty-five hours is not "a few days", is it?[1] Please revert your edit at Fiorina or I will report this.Anythingyouwant (talk) 19:42, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

Is the edit wrong? Do you disagree with the content? I though that it was a very useful edit as it provides the entire picture. I will revert, but please consider re-adding it because it improves the section. In any case, I inted to resume editing tomorrow or day after. - Cwobeel (talk) 19:55, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

Your comment

I'm assuming that this wasn't aimed at me? --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 22:47, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

Not you. The poster above your comment. - Cwobeel (talk) 00:39, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Aah, okie. Thank you. :) --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 03:07, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Thank you.  :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rural Legend~enwiki (talk • contribs) 16:44, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

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Maggie Hassan

The reason for the Maggie Hassan edit was as stated. The matters removed and subsequently replaced were in the wrong place. The Tenure section applied to her time in the Senate. Perhaps you could put it under her time in the Governor's office?

Also, why did you remove the act of the veto? It was relevant. Was that in error on your part?

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rural Legend~enwiki (talk • contribs)

@Rural Legend~enwik: feel free to move things around if needed, but do not blank material that is properly sourced. - Cwobeel (talk) 23:42, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

I can appreciate that, but what about the governor's action of the veto? Why was that blanked out by you?

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rural Legend~enwiki (talk • contribs) 23:47, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

Restored. I deleted that by mistake. - Cwobeel (talk) 23:51, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

Guns & shootings

Re: Talk:Shooting of Samuel DuBose, etc. Some folks believe that "guns don't kill people - people kill people". Others believe that there's more to it than that. WP:NPOV warns us not to bias articles by structuring them or choosing facts which support one viewpoint over another. I see this as an NPOV matter, and that the policy not only allows but requires us to include this type of information. In response, others have mostly just said that either it's outside the scope of the article, or that they simply don't like it (in one way or another). You made the former argument, but I fail to see how identifying the firearm used in a shooting is irrelevant in an article about a shooting. This is an issue on which there can be a good-faith disagreement. It's unfortunate when otherwise good editors declare that certain POVs are off-limits and must not be included in an article, and that anyone proposing them is being disruptive. 2602:306:C5B4:E3D0:BCE2:A74:FB06:BFB7 (talk) 06:14, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Whatever the issue, there is no need to get into such a dispute for the fucking brand name of a gun. - Cwobeel (talk) 13:41, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

I suppose I agree. I'm not sure why there's such opposition to a short, factual addition. But looking over the history of the talk page, it appears that it's par for the course. I just recently found that, after "consensus", the editors agreed to remove "unarmed" from the article, despite that description appearing in numerous sources and despite it being one of the main reasons the case is notorious. So the idea that a small group of WP editors can suspend policy and just decide article content based solely on personal preference, as decided by collaboration and consensus, does not seem to result in a comprehensive, neutral article. Even worse when anyone who disagrees with the local consensus is labelled as disruptive and threatened with bans. 2602:306:C5B4:E3D0:8DC4:BB80:568F:2021 (talk) 22:33, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

What is obvious by now, that you don't give a hoot about this project. With your actions you have managed to get an excellent editor out of our roster. Shame on you.

I filed a 3RR report. You've been on both ends of reports too. I didn't make any editor leave the project. I have nothing against this editor, despite the fact that he's called me names and threatened to have me blocked. So long as he follows policies, I'd be most happy if he returns. 2602:306:C5B4:E3D0:8DC4:BB80:568F:2021 (talk) 03:11, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Need your input for a dispute resolution on the Bill Cosby article

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This thread is forum shopping and IDHT behavior. Hamster totally reordered talk page sections, placing them in opposite order and thus changing the meaning and progression. They also changed headings made by others, and also created an improperly formed RfC to hijack the discussion. All is now restored. We had a consensus until this disruption occurred. This is massive IDHT behavior, and this thread should be closed. Such behavior should not be rewarded. Hamster should be blocked for this. -- {{u|BullRangifer}} {Talk} 19:59, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

Ben Carson

Okay, I get why plausibility might trump the absence of records. But, an armed robbery of a restaurant with patrons present probably should have generated a report. This seems to be one more unsubstantiated Carson claim in a a long string of such claims. Given that, I think it bears inclusion. Carson has made this claim, so I think it should be somehow included. What do you think? I'm not going to make any further edits on this issue until I hear from you .Lahaun (talk) 05:27, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

Lahaun, Give it a try, restore it, and see if it sticks. - Cwobeel (talk) 14:22, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

Rick Alan Ross

I want to apologize for judging you rather than being as civil as possible and demonstrating good faith. I have since spent time studying Wikipedia guidelines and rules regarding civility, personal attacks, bullying, etc. In my defense regarding my dismissive attitude I can only say that my bio has a history of sock puppets, disruptive editing, tendentious editors and people editing it with a conflict of interest. Having said that there is nothing in your history or background that warranted my suspicion. I am now taking the advice of several Wikipedia editors to cool down, step back, read the rules and take a fresh look. Again, I apologize.Rick Alan Ross (talk) 16:24, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

Boldface?

I did not remove "rescinded" - I removed the bolding as being contrary to the MoS strictures about where we use bolding. Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Text_formatting#Boldface Collect (talk) 20:34, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Got it. Thanks. - Cwobeel (talk) 20:43, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Alex Gilbert Article

Hi Cowobeel! I found your username from here - Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard. I hope you don't mind! Otherwise disregard my message. I was wondering if you can check out this here Wikipedia:Help_desk#Alex_Gilbert_Article for Biographical Feedback. I have improved this article Draft:Alex Gilbert. When do you think I should resubmit to the Deletion Review? Thanks! I have added and detailed all the references on the Draft Article below! I just need your opinion and help as I want to get this to the mainspace without it being deleted. Before when YES it wasn't notable for Wikipedia it was deleted. Though the article now has gone through massive improvements!

Long list of references

References that cover his 'I'm Adopted' Organisation [2] Анатомия дня TV Show NTV Russia Retrieved 29 October 2015. Source covers his Non-Profit Organisation 'I'm Adopted' and talks about him helping others. [3] Retrieved 22 August 2015. Whangarei boy who traced Russian roots helps fellow Kiwi adoptees find bloodlines (TVNZ) - This source also talks about 'I'm Adopted' [4] Retrieved August 7, 2015. Russian adoptee shares stories The Northern Advocate - This source is only about his 'I'm Adopted' page and mentions A former Russian adoptee raised in Whangarei is helping other adopted people share their stories. This is not a BLP1E am I correct? [5] Retrieved 4 November 2015. Adoption project enthrals Russians The Northern Advocate - This article talks about what impact his page has had with the Russian Media. I have also added these news outlet links to the article. This is due to his 'I'm Adopted' page. [6] Retrieved 29 October 2015. In social networks, a new unusual community. Children of Russia, adopted by foreigners looking for their biological parents Translated from Russian. NTV Russia - This source is from a huge Russian Media outlet about his I'm Adopted Organisation. Read the article or watch the video. Other References [7] Retrieved February 26, 2015. From Russia with love The Northern Advocate - This article is about his Book 'My Russian Side' that he published in 2014. It reads Now 22, Alex, has written a book about his journey. [8] Retrieved 23 February 2015. TVNZ - This is his actual Full Length NZ TV Documentary Story which aired in NZ and yes at the time was an issue where BLP1E was talked about in the previous deletions. New Sources have since been found and updated. ALOT MORE [9] Retrieved July 2, 2014. The New Zealand Herald - This article covers a meet up Alex Gilbert had with another New Zealander he found through his TV Documentary. [10] Retrieved 16 November 2015. Change One Life Russia - This article is an excellent interview with Alex Gilbert about his own story and journey. [11] Retrieved 5 June 2015. - TV3 NZ - This TV Show features Alex who talks to other adoptees who are going through the same journey as he went through. References in Russian Language If you can't understand them then don't comment. People have been ignoring these. These are put up as a support to the article. It shows you how much coverage it had. [12] Retrieved 21 October 2015. yarcom.ru - This article talks about his experience and journey. [13] Retrieved 21 October 2015 New Zealander Alex Gilbert found his mother in the Rybinsk, threw him in the hospital . echo76 - New Russian article talking also about his life and journey to Russia. [14] Retrieved 21 October 2015. New Zealander found in Rybinsk own mother - 76.ru - This article notes if translated Now the young man helps the other people who find themselves in a similar situation, to find their loved ones. [15] Retrieved 21 October 2015. progorod76.ru- The guy from New Zealand found in the Yaroslavl region his own mother [16] Retrieved 21 October 2015. http://rweek.ru/ - This article talks about his journey and experience also [17] Retrieved 21 October 2015. yarnews.net - New Zealander Alex Gilbert found his mother in the Rybinsk [18] Retrieved 21 October 2015. vesti.ru - This source is from Vesti News. One of the largest TV News outlets in Russia - Russia-24 [19] Retrieved 22 October 2015. http://bsvesti.ru/ - This is another alternative news source [20] Retrieved 1 November 2015 yar.kp.ru - Another news source in Russia [21] Retrieved 22 October 2015. http://rybinskcity.ru/ - A news source from Rybinsk City, Russia [22] Retrieved 16 November 2015. - sguschenka.com - A reliable source talking to Alex directly about his experience and journey. [23] Retrieved 21 October 2015. http://1news.uz/ - Another Russian News Source

Thank You! -- --DmitryPopovRU (talk) 23:18, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

@DmitryPopovRU: I think you should move it to mainspace and see if it sticks. If someone brings to AFD, it can be evaluated through that process. - Cwobeel (talk) 00:37, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi Cwobeel . I can't move it to the mainspace as an admin has to. Also.. last time when it did get reviewed and passed reviewing.. it got deleted again as it had to go through a deletion review. If someone brings it to an AFD in the mainspace.. I would prefer that than having to go through the annoying undeletion review when it is just no consensus. --DmitryPopovRU (talk) 00:43, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

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A discussion about your conduct has been started here [24] Legacypac (talk) 03:00, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

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The posting of DS templates was not done maliciously, on the contrary. I checked these editors' contributions before alerting them about the BLP discretionary sanctions. I am puzzled about the need for penalizing an editor in this context. - Cwobeel (talk) 14:29, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

@MaxSem: I understand that my actions in posting the {{tl:Ds/alert}} to a few editors may bee seen as a disruptive manner to try to gain the upper hand on a content dispute, but that was not my intention whatsoever. The article at hand was current event, and was being edited rapidly by many editors some of which were adding material that was very poorly sourced. Please look at the page history and see that I made hundreds of edits since the incident and removed many BLP violations. - Cwobeel (talk) 14:42, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

Please stop invoking BLP here: are you really claiming that perpetrators being muslims is negative information on its own? With all due respect, in the US context whether religion should be mentioned here is a party distinction and we at Wikipedia should really really just stick to facts. Whether the facts are notable enough for inclusion into articles is an editorial decision and should be achieved through discussion, as opposed to edit warring and warning-slapping. Looking at your block log, I realise that I probably should have blocked you for a month as opposed to one day. Other admins: I don't mind an unblock but please don't do that unilaterally without a broad discussion. Max Semenik (talk) 14:54, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

@MaxSem: I guess that you have made up your mind already anyway, but I will try again: I still would argue that posting these notices was not malicious. As for your comment above about Muslims/negative information, that would be a content issue and that was exactly what was being discussed in talk. I started the discussion in talk myself, and consensus was being sought. My removal of material was based on WP:BLPREQUESTRESTORE. My comment about about BLP violations was about many other edits not that one about religion, just check the page history in which I made hundreds of edits since the story broke. - Cwobeel (talk) 15:05, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

Nope, per ANI discussion it was felt like a pressure and against the spirit of collaborative eidting. Max Semenik (talk) 15:11, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

Sorry Cwobeel--while I am probably with you on the substance of the issue, that was a bit much. Drmies (talk) 15:37, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

MaxSem, Drmies: Thank you for your consideration. I will take this as another hard lesson learned, and enjoy the break. - Cwobeel (talk) 15:40, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

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Your outrageous edit has been reverted. All time low. Want to say so much more but won't. Quis separabit? 17:17, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

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Thanks for your intervention on Gaffney and Center for Security Policy. I suspect the same batch of institutionally-supported socks are about to reappear given his reference in yesterday's Donald Trump speech. LavaBaron (talk) 16:54, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

I'll keep an eye on these two articles. - Cwobeel (talk) 16:58, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Thanks very much. We're going to have our hands full. Zeke1999 just had his sock block lifted by JamesBWatson on the condition he not edit Gaffney. My biggest concern is that the recent Gaffney edits by this newly-registered SPA essentially mirror the problematic issue that we previously had with Zeke1999 - namely his insistence on adding "by the left" or "by the radical left" at the end of any potentially unflattering description of Gaffney (i.e. "Gaffney has been accused of conspiracy theorizing" ... "by the radical left"). As in here [27] with the newest SPA and [28] here with Zeke1999. Cirt and I learned, in the previous and voluminous sock cases involving these articles, however, that it's virtually impossible to protect these articles from a very savvy spiderweb of socks. Bishonen previously protected it but even that won't do much when it is committed enough to registering accounts instead of just using IPs. I suspect we just need to keep our eyes open. I'm traveling at the moment but will attempt to "go full time" on these articles when I return. Your help in the interim is appreciated. LavaBaron (talk) 17:11, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

If you review LavaBaron's edits to Frank Gaffney and the Center for Security Policy over the last several months you will find he gradually erased half the FG article to leave a ludicrous shell in its place. Among other creepy comments he posted in the article, he added that Gaffney "had at least one child," unsourced of course. He then tried to fabricate a consensus around what he had left in the article while falsely accusing other users who disagreed with him of sockpuppetry. There's been a string of anti-Semitic vandals attacking this page. Blocking this vandal might get the point across. Baramop (talk) 17:30, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

/sigh/ Welcome back, Zeke. LavaBaron (talk) 17:36, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Please violate WP:3RV. Please. Baramop (talk) 17:42, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

That's quite enough. I've opened a sockpuppet investigation of your latest incarnation so let's keep the taunts there so Cwobeel doesn't have his Talk page cluttered. LavaBaron (talk) 21:52, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

@Baramop:: No need to introduce animosity into the discussion. Slow and steady, we can get the article to a good shape. - Cwobeel (talk) 17:55, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

• Since LavaBaron has pinged me in connection with my unblock of Zeke1999, I will just say that I am by no means committed to that unblock. I unblocked because there was a clear consensus among others who commented (both on Zeke1999's talk page and on the talk page of the blocking administrator) that Zeke1999 should be given another chance, but that does not mean that I am perfectly happy with Zeke1999's editing, nor that I don't think the block should be reimposed if there are further problems. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 13:03, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. There was a suggestion by Floquenbeam at here Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Center_for_Security_Policy.2FFrank_Gaffney to reimpose the block on Zeke1999 and add this new account, Baramop, to it. It'm ambivalent to that proposal; it's pretty much established at this point that the sockmaster is committed to rotating through an unlimited number of identities to whitewash these two articles and, given the probable IRL entity CW indicates is involved it will most likely be beyond the resources of any number of editors here to resist this in the long run. Short of permanent protection, which seems unlikely, we're probably at the point where we just have to surrender these two articles to the Center for Security Policy's PR team. LavaBaron (talk) 13:21, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

I think the ANI discussion about this matter is proceeding well, except for the anti-Semitism charge by Baramop which I have separated myself from. LAVABARON's claims about socks and the CSP PR team is his own conspiracy nonsense. He clearly knows Gaffney and is a personal or professional rival.

I want to emphasize that I was perfectly content to watch this mess from afar until LAVABARON lodged a new false sock charge against me today. I am hopeful an editor will stop LAVABARON from filing these false charges to shut down editors who disagree with him.

LAVABARON, not everyone who disagrees with you on Wikipedia is conspiring with other editors. I also suggest you stop arguing this on pages away from the ANI complaint against you. Zeke1999 (talk) 18:38, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Your work on Rick Alan Ross

Thank you for all of your work at Rick Alan Ross. It is a horribly frustrating environment but the article is unquestionably better for your work on it. Jbh^Talk 12:40, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

The environment is not the issue, RAR is. An arrogant real pain in the behind, who played into the hands of one of the most abusive governments as it pertains to human rights, and that wants to hide that fact at all costs in his bio. - Cwobeel (talk) 15:44, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

@Jbhunley: I am archiving this, moving on to other, more rewarding endeavors. Good luck there and happy editing. - Cwobeel (talk) 15:46, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

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By reverting back to the original liabalous section you are putting us in danger of being sued by this person. He has sued twice in Britain and won over this allegation. The "Daily Mirror" is not a trustworthy newspaper as it was proven that they were part of the telephone hacking scandal not so long ago. The person in question has always denied ever giving that interview and with the left-wing putting names on the supposed list to cause trouble I think it would be VERY wise not to keep putting this back in when it has no baring on the actual person. He is not a member of the BNP and never has been. Even the BNP have said that this is the case.

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