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== Politics ==
{{main|Politics of the Netherlands}}

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Significant non-event ?

Should we mention Fidel's no-show at today's military parade ? And Raul's avoidance of the topic of big bro ? -- Beardo 18:27, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, since it seems necessary to polish up his nibs obit. El Jigue 12-02-06

If you guys can find verifiable sources, on this subject. Then by all mean, add it to the article. GoodDay 00:42, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[1] [2][3] [4] El Jigue

I've heard people joking, that - as the guy whose birthday was celebrated did not appear himself - the 'Great leader and teacher' might have been dead for months already. You never know, consider that my acquaintants had lived in the USSR for decades, so if we remind us of the late comrade Brezhnev's last years...Constanz - Talk 11:02, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

The last video was 28 October - so that's five weeks and no sighting, isn't it. Odd that there wasn't even a video from him on the 2nd. -- Beardo 21:54, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunately, "between Raul and Fidel there is not the slightest bit of difference."[5]]Constanz - Talk 11:04, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

EJ, you've got the varifiable sources. Now add the facts to the article, it will update the article further. GoodDay 17:12, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

But he can't do it, since the article still remains half-protected for some reason. Could someone ask for unprotection?Constanz - Talk 10:46, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I requested semi-protection again because of the continual mindless vandalism (look at the history - 7 reversion on 30.11 alone). (I mentioned that under the Castro "chemo" comments above. -- Beardo 21:54, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

EJ will have to become a registered user. Then (maybe) he can edit the page. GoodDay 19:45, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Oh yeah, article also protected from 'new' registered users. Will just have to wait until the page is unprotected. GoodDay 19:49, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

number of political prisoners said decreasing

It appears that the number of recognized political prisoners in Cuba is said to be decreasing [6]. However, limitations on free communication do not allow ready verification, and the actual number of political prisoners is believed to be far larger than the 399 mentioned above. El Jigue 12-10-06

Believed by whom ? What do Amnesty International say ? -- Beardo 16:57, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Beardo What does how much AI dislikes Castro's policies in this regard. Last year they were talking of an absurdly low number of about 70 [7]. However, even the low estimate above is five times higher. In Cuba charges often do not reflect reality and repressive forces seem to be showing even greater force than usual [8]... In addition the Red Cross is not allowed access to prisoners [9]. El Jigue 12-10-06

Sadly EJ, those links are not much use to me, as cubanet is one of the few sites blocked from here. -- Beardo 22:42, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Beardo thank you. I imagine you can get Nuevo Herald material since the editor is "hijo de comandante Castelló." El Jigue 12-10-06

I think that I can everything that would fit Wikipedia's definition of "reliable sources" and a lot more besides. But cubanet is blocked. -- Beardo 03:12, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

The only problem with skip to table of contents.....

is it doesn't work with just two headings. -- Beardo 16:55, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

It needs four. Note to archivist - In future, please leave four items when you archive this page. -- Beardo 22:47, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Forced "Contents" using "__TOC__", should work now with any number of headings. --Qyd 16:51, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

History of Cuba

Some of the stuff from here really needs to go into the main History of Cuba article, too. -- Beardo 22:45, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Beardo: Castro is dead according to three reliable sources, apparently already embalmed. Raul is negotiating with the US for survival,,,,El Jigue 12-12-06

EJ - which sources are they ? -- Beardo 04:12, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Beardo, check the 'edit history' of this discussion page. There might be an El Jigue imposter, among us. I've informed 'EJ' himself, of the possible impersonator(s). GoodDay 01:56, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Suitable responses to this might include *Wasn't El J always an imp poster?; or * Given El J's enthusiasm for downbeat disinformation he's probably impersonating himself; or * I have it from several reliable sources that El J has been dead for several years, the imposter's getting careless; or *It's Fidel channeling from beyond/playing games from his sickbed (depending which rumour (sorry - reliable source) you are open to); or *Might this not be a better tactic than banning him for Wikisins - drown his true voice in impersonations until he registers as the only means of claiming authenticity. MichaelW 08:09, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

External links creep

The "External links" section has grown again to inacceptable proportions. Many links are commercial, some are suitable for sub-articles (or can be found there). Many links have no usefull content, or content only marginally related to Cuba. Remember, this is an overview article, it shouldn't cover all details, and nor should the external links provided. I propose a thorough cleanup of that section. --Qyd 16:58, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Indeed, Qyd.--Zleitzen 17:24, 13 December 2006 (UTC)