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:[[User:力]], Oh I agree, if the article is to include it, it is because the report was covered by reliable sources, not because of the number of employees the commissioning organization has. but let's not turn this into a debate about what the article should say, that's what the article's talk page is for. [[User:Inf-in MD|Inf-in MD]] ([[User talk:Inf-in MD|talk]]) 02:56, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
:[[User:力]], Oh I agree, if the article is to include it, it is because the report was covered by reliable sources, not because of the number of employees the commissioning organization has. but let's not turn this into a debate about what the article should say, that's what the article's talk page is for. [[User:Inf-in MD|Inf-in MD]] ([[User talk:Inf-in MD|talk]]) 02:56, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

I accept that invoking CIR was wrong , and have struck those references out .[[User:Inf-in MD|Inf-in MD]] ([[User talk:Inf-in MD|talk]]) 13:07, 10 December 2021 (UTC)


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    AmirahBreen 2

    AmirahBreen blocked for a week and banned from the article Gaza flotilla raid for a month. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 14:25, 6 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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    Request concerning AmirahBreen

    User who is submitting this request for enforcement
    Shrike (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 20:44, 2 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    User against whom enforcement is requested
    AmirahBreen (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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    Sanction or remedy to be enforced
    [[1]]
    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
    1. 22:58, 1 December 2021 First Revert
    2. 11:53, 2 December 2021 Second Revert
    Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any
    1. 26 November 2021 Block for 72 hours for edit warring
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    Right after returning from the user have edit warred again This content was previously removed by him as part of big revert "Five of the activists who were killed had previously declared their desire to become shaheeds (martyrs)" [2]

    The original diff are linked above. The user started edit warring right after returning from his last block. What more could be done and he was engaged in the talk page [3] by other user and seeing his response here he doesn't underhand what WP:1RR means --Shrike (talk) 21:26, 2 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

    [4]

    Discussion concerning AmirahBreen

    Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator.
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    Statement by AmirahBreen

    I made one reversion today and one yesterday. I am not clear is a 24 hour period counted from midnight to midnight or from one reversion to the next? I have made no further edits to the page today. I have opened discussions about it on the article talk page and am participating in those discussions to reach consensus.

    Please also consider that the information which I removed was defamatory and original research. The sources were clear that their primary motive was to bring aid to Gaza and to cherry pick from the sources what they said may happen as an alternative if they failed and to place that in the text with the implication that it was their primary motive is defamatory. Although this is not a BLP and those people are not still alive, there are still people alive who were part of this aid mission who it can effect 'by association'.

    GizzyCatBella wouldn't it be clearer if the warning said 'editors who revert this article should seek consensus before further reverts, and must refrain from from reverting the article again for at least 24 hours'?

    IMO there should also be warning there that if Wikipedia policies are not followed it could also lead to a block due to discretionary sanctions. I am not one to go straight for arbitration, but reverting my edit in a rollback with no explanation in the edit summary as to why, as was done here [5] and then reverting it again for no other reason than that the editor considered it a 1RR violation as was done here [6] despite the fact that I had still not been given any explanation either in edit summary or on talk pages as to why it had been reverted in the first place, is that really in line with Wikipedia policy? If there was more emphasis on adhering to Wikipedia policies in the warnings then this shouldn't have happened in the first place. Editors should give clear edit summaries and particularly when making reverts on an article which is under discretionary sanctions. You are enforcing 1RR yet you are not enforcing Wikipedia policies.

    What is more Daveout actually contravened the 1RR in one fowl swoop with a rollback of two completely separate edits with an edit summary which explained only one of them, but did you see me running straight to AE? He's also made a 3rd revert which is only just outside the 24hr mark and he's had talk page warnings for similar behaviour.

    Daveout also broke the 1RR by doing this [7] and this [8] which resulted in me getting blocked after being reported by a sock-puppet of a banned editor. I warned him about edit warring on his talk page. [9] and yesterday morning he went straight back and started another edit war, by reverting my edit with no explanation or edit summary, immediately followed by reverting another editors edit, for which he gave an edit summary but it turned out to be invalid. I've certainly learned a thing or two in all of this myself, but has Daveout learned anything at all? Has his username even been mentioned in this or the previous discussion in which I was not allowed to take part?

    When he reverted my edit yesterday with no explanation in the edit summary I actually thought he'd probably made two reverts, one immediately following the next, by mistake, being that his edit summary only covered his second revert. I reverted back asking him to provide an edit summary (or discuss on the talk page), not with the intention of starting an edit war, but because I thought he had mistakenly rolled two reverts into one, and the edit he'd provided an edit summary for had absolutely nothing to do with my edit as far as I could see. I hadn't even questioned the reliability of the source, I had questioned the way in which the source had been cherry picked.

    WP:WAR Referring to 3RR - 'Any appearance of gaming the system by reverting a fourth time just outside of the 24-hour slot may also be considered edit warring.' Is this any different for 1RR? According to WP:1RR it isn't.

    WP:1RR also says that 24 hours may be replaced by 'a week', 'a month' etc. If it's talking about the time between one revert and the next then why not arbitrary figures such as 6 hours, 18 hours etc. If a revert was made this month then it implies that a revert made next month would not be within the month, even if it were made on an earlier day of the month. A month is not a set number of days, so how can you count from revert to revert if a month could be 31, 30 or even 29 or 28 days. How do you know which length of month to choose? The length of this month or next month? I'm not saying that I don't understand now what has already been explained to me, what I am saying is I still feel that the policy pages don't explain clearly enough and that I should be believed when I say I did not fully understand if it meant 24 hours from the time the first revert was made or if it meant 'on the same day'.

    WP:3RRNO Point 7. also says under exemptions 'Removing contentious material that is libelous, biased, unsourced, or poorly sourced according to Wikipedia's biographies of living persons (BLP) policy.' Due to the comma after 'unsourced' but no comma after 'poorly sourced', I would read this to say that libelous, biased, and unsourced, may also refer to articles other than BLPs. I still maintain that the text I removed was libelous and biased in the context it was placed and in the way it was picked from the source which distorted it's meaning, it also turned out to be poorly sourced. If I am not reading this correctly, then a comma should be placed after 'poorly sourced' in point 7 to make it clearer.

    Cullen328 I don't even understand your comment, at the start of this discussion I was not asking if 24 meant 24, I was asking 'is it counted from midnight to midnight or from edit to edit'.

    Anyway, I have exceeded my wordcount now. Perhaps you will take into account that I was not allowed to make a statement in the last discussion, if you are counting the results of the last discussion against me too.

    Amirah talk 02:52, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

    Statement by GizzyCatBella

    Extended content

    @Shrike, these don’t work: (?)

    1. Date Explanation
    2. Date Explanation
    3. Date Explanation - GizzyCatBella🍁 20:56, 2 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Not clear what do you mean? Shrike (talk) 21:02, 2 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Links are dead - GizzyCatBella🍁 21:14, 2 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    I have deleted the dummy links Shrike (talk) 21:32, 2 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    (Okay, so that was nothing) - GizzyCatBella🍁 21:36, 2 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    @User:力 --> I'm not sure how several of the regulars don't understand the dummy links - One regular didn't understand the dummy links who thought the filing person wished to explain something - not several regulars (I'm sorry, I don't appreciate your remark) - GizzyCatBella🍁 21:49, 2 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

    I would say that a 1RR violation is obvious but I agree with Nableezy that the filing party could (and most likely should) ask for self-revert first. This resembles an "I got you now!" approach. (sorry Shrike, that's my humble opinion) (this [10] changed my mind.) One also should keep in mind that the initial report, that resulted in 72 hours block above, was produced by a sock-puppet of a banned user. I definitely would not agree with a topic ban proposed, not yet. - GizzyCatBella🍁 22:02, 2 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

    @AmirahBreen

    The warning was posted and visible here --> [11]

    WARNING In accordance with Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Palestine-Israel articles#Discretionary sanctions, editors of this article are restricted to 1 revert per 24 hours. Violations of this restriction will lead to blocks.
    Please comment only in your own section and do not start threaded discussions. Seraphimblade Talk to me 01:40, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

    1 revert per 24h - it's clear. There is nothing there about "day". - GizzyCatBella🍁 22:23, 2 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

    It does not say when the 24 hours starts and finishes. In my understanding a 24 hour time span means a day. Amirah talk 22:50, 2 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    But you know now, correct? So please keep this in mind going forward. (As I said before, I don't agree with the topic ban at this point, but I’ll not argue if the administrative team concludes a short block is required as a reminder that one needs to be very careful around that topic area) - GizzyCatBella🍁 23:13, 2 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, I know that now, and there is no reason to suspect that if I know the rules I won't abide by them. It's been explained to me, not in a simply clear and understanding way as it could have been, but it's been explained to me. <-- unsigned User:AmirahBreen comment moved down

    Statement by Nableezy

    Whats the first a revert of? Did anybody ask the user to self-revert? Did you try to engage on the talk page? With the user on the user talk page? Curious. nableezy - 21:06, 2 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

    Interesting a user who goes around telling others to review ONUS and start an RFC for challenged material reverts on the basis of a supposed 1RR without identifying the original revert too. This numbers game thing leaves a bad taste in ones mouth. The whole escalating the reporting without engaging the user at all on their talk page, when they have at the very least already stopped reverting, was unable to self-revert because they had already been reverted, and was never even asked to self-revert makes that bad taste more intense. nableezy - 21:10, 2 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

    Here Shrike, I tried to help you out with the whole not using AE as a weapon thing. Maybe see for example User_talk:Bob_drobbs#1rr for how a user might try to engage another and ask that they correct their actions prior to escalating things here even if they oppose their edits. nableezy - 21:13, 2 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

    I think it is inappropriate to report a user for a 1RR violation without ever asking for a self-revert. We always ask for a self-revert. I dont think its appropriate that the initial report was made by a sock of a banned user and now an admin is escalating this report without any attempt to engage the user for a topic-ban. I think the users who lecture others on ONUS while violating it left and right themselves should be looked at as well. nableezy - 21:32, 2 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

    HJ, nobody has tried to engage this person with anything besides threats at all. This was the sequence of the first block. Notice. AE report (by a since blocked sock). Sanction. Those are consecutive edits to their talk page, and not one person stopped in between to give her (I think from username?) even one chance at learning how to correct the issues. And here, again, no request to self-revert. You have one user reverting their edit so they could not self-revert, and another reporting them, and nobody offering a chance at a self-revert. And all the while, users are violating WP:RSEDITORIAL and WP:ONUS. That is, um, sub-par. nableezy - 22:26, 2 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

    Statement by User:力

    Nobody is covering themselves with glory here. I'm not sure how several of the regulars don't understand the dummy links ("difflink3") in the reporting template. I'm not sure I believe that AmirahBreen doesn't understand the 1RR rule after being blocked over it a week ago. I'm not sure why Nableezy thinks this filing is inappropriate after that block and after this talk page disucssion that suggests AmirahBreen thinks they did nothing wrong.

    As far as what should be done, a week-long page ban from Gaza flotilla raid (but not the talk page) seems to me to be both gentle and justified. User:力 (powera, π, ν) 21:27, 2 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

    Because when I was blocked it was for edits which were done on the same day. This arbitration request is for two edits which I made on two separate days. In my understanding a day is another word for a '24 hour period', or is it not? — Preceding unsigned comment added by AmirahBreen (talkcontribs)
    @AmirahBreen: Multiple editors are telling you that you are wrong about the policy, and that 24 hours means 24 hours, not a calendar day wherever you are. If you refuse to acknowledge this, you are certainly looking at a longer block to prevent you from continuing to violate that policy. User:力 (powera, π, ν) 22:57, 2 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

    Statement by Bob Drobbs

    1. A polite notice of 1RR violation was put on AmirahBreen's talk page.[12]. There was no request to self-revert because someone else did it for them. AmirahBreen didn't accept this, but instead doubled-down with seeming annoyance and frustration. And this was immediately after a 72 hour ban for the same violation.

    It would appear that for whatever reason, AmirahBreen is unable or unwilling to follow the rules.

    2. Digging a deeper hole. In the latest edit[13] AmirahBreen tries to argue that we should excuse this additional violation of 1RR, because it was their opinion that this text was problematic. That's not how 1RR works. -- Bob drobbs (talk) 22:52, 2 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

    3. While I appreciate the wide variety of human experience, the simple fact is that we all have to work together abiding by the same set of rules. AmirahBreen hasn't just slightly exceeded the 500 word limit in here, they've more than doubled that. It's another example, that at this point in time, this user isn't following the rules. They pointed out their own rule violation, yet they did not correct it. -- Bob drobbs (talk) 19:56, 4 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

    Statement by (username)

    Result concerning AmirahBreen

    This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.
    • This is a clear 1RR violation, and, since it is coming immediately after the user has been to this noticeboard last week, I am afraid we need a PIA topic ban.--Ymblanter (talk) 21:21, 2 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • It is a clear 1RR violation (the first revert was restoring content that was subject to the edit war they were blocked for previously), and some form of sanction is inevitable. I think a broad topic ban is overkill at this point. I'm more inclined toward a short-term sitewide block (of around a week) for the 1RR violation, and a longer-term ban from the article Gaza flotilla raid (but not its talk page). Obviously if their editing continues to cause problems, a topic ban from all of ARBPIA is the next step. I can see why Nableezy has a bad taste in his mouth wrt weaponisation of AE, but the easiest way to avoid having AE used against you is to avoid violating bright-line rules. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:17, 2 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • The user has been around long enough that the "I don't understand what 24 hours refers to" doesn't hold water. However, I agree with H J Mitchell that an escalating block (1 week) may be more appropriate than a topic ban. Enough time for that down the road if it becomes necessary. --RegentsPark (comment) 23:29, 2 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Agreeing with HJ Mitchell, a week block, and I would say a short-ish page block/ban of 30 days for the article, but not the talk page. That should be seen as the last chance before full blown topic bans come to play. Dennis Brown - 23:37, 2 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • AmirahBreen, firstly, please write any comments in your own section. Threaded discussion is not permitted at AE, nor are comments anywhere but in your section. That aside, if coming off an edit warring block to immediately start edit warring again doesn't merit a topic ban, I'm not sure what does. But if the consensus is for a "last chance" type block, one hopes this time will be more effective. I would remind AmirahBreen that the 24 hour cycle is a limit, not an entitlement—edit warring is not good in general, and if you get the idea that you should just wait a little longer between repeated reverts next time, you're rather missing the point. Seraphimblade Talk to me 01:45, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • I am unconvinced by any claim of failing to understand that 24 hours means the period of time right between 23 hours and 59 minutes and 24 hours and one minute. I endorse Seraphimblade's request to take on board the spririt rather than just the letter of the policy against edit warring. I am not prepared to support a PIA topic ban at this time but will advise the editor that they are on the brink of such a ban. Support a one week block and a pageblock from the article in question though not its talkpage, with an instruction to be productive not argumentative on that talk page. Cullen328 (talk) 05:36, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

    Inf-in MD

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    Request concerning Inf-in MD

    User who is submitting this request for enforcement
    Nableezy (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 01:41, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    User against whom enforcement is requested
    Inf-in MD (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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    Sanction or remedy to be enforced
    WP:ARBPIA4#ARBPIA General Sanctions (standard discretionary sanctions)
    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
    1. 01:10, 10 December 2021 accusing an editor of lacking competence (this was just struck, the others remain)
    2. 00:23, 10 December 2021 same
    3. 01:00, 10 December 2021 same
    4. 01:31, 10 December 2021 same
    Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

    N/A

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    Additional comments by editor filing complaint

    Inf-in MD, after having previously accused me pompous ignorance only to redact it when told he would be reported, has several times now accused me of lacking competence to edit here. The basis of this is my saying that a group known as "Jewish Human Rights Watch" There is no website for it, no charity information, no known board, no nothing. Inf-in MD did indeed find that it was a registered corporation in the UK under a slightly different name, but has claimed that I what I wrote "is completely false, nonsense by an editor who hasn't done even minimal research on the topic". One part of what I wrote was incorrect, that it does not have a board. The rest remains completely true. Regardless, claiming that I lack competence is inflammatory and uncivil, and if Inf-in MD feels I lack competence to edit here then the correct thing to do is raise the issue on an administrative board. Not drop a CIR link, four times, in article talk pages. As I had previously asked Inf-in MD to not make such personal attacks, and they have seen fit to ratchet that up substantially, I ask that he be restricted from participating in a topic area subject to discretionary sanctions.

    The first diff was later struck. nableezy - 01:43, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

    That's a pretty blatant misreading of my question, I was asking if it was a competence issue for me that I did not find the group listed under Jewish Rights Watch. Because I looked for Jewish Human Rights Watch and came up with zilch. I was asking that if I did not find it under a different name does that mean I lack competence. Not turning the question around. nableezy - 02:30, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

    Also, Im a little confused as to how an account with 2k edits and registered on July 16 of 2021 has any idea what I have a habit of doing. I haven't made a single request for enforcement here the entire time he has been active with this account as far as I can recall. nableezy - 02:45, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

    Notified

    Discussion concerning Inf-in MD

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    Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.

    Statement by Inf-in MD

    As I explained on that page, WP:CIR says "Sometimes editors have good intentions, but are not competent enough to edit in a net positive manner. They create work that others have to clean up." - that seems to be the case here. I don't doubt the editor's good intentions but he's simply not up to the task as demonstrated by his editing. He did not perform the most basic of research that would have shown that what they claimed ("this is not an organization in any meaningful sense. It is a Facebook group and a Twitter feed. There is no website for it, no charity information, no known board, no nothing.") is false. As the links I gave him show , it is a registered corporation (a PLC) in the UK, with a board that is named, with an address etc.. He further did not understand that 'Jewish Rights Watch' is the legal name for "Jewish Human Right Watch" (and seems to still not understand this, per his comment above), despite the fact that I gave him a link that made that connection explicit (and then he had the audacity to accuse me of failing CIR for confusing these entities which he incorrectly assumed were different ones - [14] "your link to the UK company information services is to "JEWISH RIGHTS WATCH", not Jewish Human Rights Watch. Is that a competence issue?" the same thing he's accusing me of doing here!).

    He thus created work for other editors (me) who had to do this basic research , and more work to explain this basic stuff to them and clean up the wrong and misleading stuff they posted. This user has a habit of trying to weaponize discussion boards like this one (or even Afd! -[15] "sanction the creator" , or this, same AfD [16] "you should be blocked and topic banned per WP:POINT and WP:TE") to sanction people who disagree with him. It's time someone put a stop to this behavior. Inf-in MD (talk) 01:57, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

    User:力 , I provided links to their corporate registration and filings. There have been 3-4 employees, since 2014. Not that it really matters, many organizations are sole proprietorships or two partners, that does not make them any less of a real organization. But I take your point about invoking WP:CIR not being a good idea. Inf-in MD (talk)

    User:力, Oh I agree, if the article is to include it, it is because the report was covered by reliable sources, not because of the number of employees the commissioning organization has. but let's not turn this into a debate about what the article should say, that's what the article's talk page is for. Inf-in MD (talk) 02:56, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

    I accept that invoking CIR was wrong , and have struck those references out .Inf-in MD (talk) 13:07, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

    Statement by User:力

    Bringing up WP:CIR on an article talk page is almost never a good idea, especially with editors who aren't new. Also, I'm not convinced that "Jewish Human Rights Watch" is anything more than a doing-business-as for an individual activist or two, based on the talk page discussion. User:力 (powera, π, ν) 02:24, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

    @Inf-in MD: I agree that it is more serious than "some guy who had a whim one night". That doesn't mean it's necessary to include something (I'm not exactly sure what diff the dispute is about) in the article. User:力 (powera, π, ν) 02:50, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

    Statement by GizzyCatBella

    Accusing a 14-year-old veteran of lacking competence is a bad, bad, bad idea. Particularly when it comes from somebody who initiated a journey with Wikipedia 4 months ago Let's study it all a bit closer... - GizzyCatBella🍁 02:51, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

    Inf-in MD opened an account on July 16th, 2021 editing an area entirely unrelated to WP:ARBPIA. One month later, on August 22, 2021, Inf-in MD reached 500/30 status with this edits and immediately (within 9 minutes) proceeds to WP:ARBPIA area with this edit.
    Since that time, Inf-in MD remains in the WP:ARBPIA topic area participating in AE reports, here too, noticeborards, here too, warns editors of possible topic bans breaches or 1 RR violations
    On October 14, 2021, Inf-in MD is investigated for possible sockpuppetry -->[17]
    On November 27, 2021, Inf-in MD knowledgeably commented at the Holocaust in Poland topic area (WP:APL) regarding the banned editor's report to Haaretz -->[18] and WP:COI issue.-->[19], [20],[21] despite never editing that topic area before.
    In my humble opinion Inf-in MD is not a 4 months old user. They are remarkably familiar with both WP:ARBPIA and WP:APL (Holocaust in Poland) issues. They target their likely prior rivals selectively with the intention of eliminating them from editing. The examples are this report where Inf-in MD accused his potential rival of WP:CIR and others (User:Piotrus and User:Volunteer Marek) of WP:COI. I don't think it is worthwhile to file another SPI at this time since WP:ARBPIA topic ban is on the table. If implemented, that should be sufficient. If I'm mistaken and Inf-in MD is indeed a new user (is it?) who accidentally stumbled into both topic areas, they may edit other subjects and appeal the ban at a later time. - GizzyCatBella🍁 09:23, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

    Statement by Aquillion

    First, per WP:ONUS, nobody is required to do your research for you. That means that even if nableezy had been completely and unequivocally wrong, it still wouldn't have been appropriate to accuse him of WP:CIR issues - he's entirely within his rights to evaluate a source based solely on what has been presented by the people who want to include it. Inf-in MD's complaint that nableezy made them do the work of researching the source that Inf-in MD presented is not appropriate, because that work was always Inf-in MD's responsibility. But on top of that, nableezy's argument wasn't even obviously wrong! Arguing that the source is WP:UNDUE because this is not an organization in any meaningful sense. It is a Facebook group and a Twitter feed is an entirely defensible position to take, and trying to argue that it also having a registered corporation drastically changes this is, at best, a bog-standard sourcing or content dispute, not something so glaringly right or wrong that it justifies repeatedly accusing an editor of competence issues. If Inf-in MD had dropped it after the first time, it wouldn't be a big deal, but it seems like he keeps fixating on it (to the point of doubling down on it above!) That, at least, needs to stop. Inf-in MD accuses nableezy of trying to remove them, but surely they are aware that WP:CIR is a policy intended to be used as a threshold for the removal of editors; constantly accusing someone of lacking competence to that degree across multiple forums seems reflective of both WP:ASPERSIONS and WP:BATTLEGROUND conduct. --Aquillion (talk) 03:23, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

    Statement by Shrike

    Nableezy complain that editors weaponize AE but he doing the same such filing were at AE multiple times and maximum what happened is mild warning that editor comments are not "ideal". It would be strange if there would be different outcome --Shrike (talk) 05:39, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

    @Johnuniq You said you didn't check the report but you already think that indef tban is needed it that what are you saying? It would be very strange if any sanction will come as there were no personal attacks in any of the diffs in the past users were sanctioned for filing such reports Shrike (talk) 07:16, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

    Statement by Zero0000

    To editor Shrike: Counting has never been my strong suit, so apologies if I'm wrong. As far as I can tell this filing brings Nableezy's count for 2021 up to 3. In the same time period, your count is 4. Maybe you should withdraw your "multiple times" remark. Zerotalk 08:29, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

    Result concerning Inf-in MD

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    • I confirmed the comments above regarding Inf-in_MD's account. It was created on 16 July 2021 and has made 2208 edits. I'll look at the details of this report later but the drama makes me suspect that an indefinite topic ban is required because a new account pulling CIR against one of the regulars on the other side looks like an attempt to prompt an over-reaction that might lead to that regular being sanctioned. Johnuniq (talk) 06:59, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • Of course I've checked the report and confirmed that the reported user is using a new account and has used WP:CIR in what looks like an attempt to provoke an over-reaction. I have not yet checked details such as all the diffs in the report or the background to the dispute. Johnuniq (talk) 08:15, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Personally I'd say that someone who uses an accusation of CIR against a 14-year-old account - four times in an hour, no less - probably has CIR issues themselves. However, there's a familiar pattern here. New account, gnomes its way to extended confirmed, immediately dives into ARBPIA issues, has a remarkable knowledge of that and related issues pre-dating their account creation, ends up at AE... we've been here a number of times. Topic ban. Black Kite (talk) 10:47, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

    RoyalCathayan

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    AlexEng (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 05:13, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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    RoyalCathayan (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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    Sanction or remedy to be enforced
    Discretionary sanctions per WP:ARBAPDS
    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
    1. Today
      1. Added unsourced statement and photo about a supporter of Hong Kong's independence to the Trump Rally section. Appears to be an attempt to link the 2019–2020 Hong Kong protests with the 2021 United States Capitol attack
      2. Added aggrandizing claim regarding the streets being filled with the vehicles of Trump supporters as a caption to a photo of one car bearing pro-Trump stickers and paraphernalia. Appears to be aggrandizing the scale of the protest using vague exaggerated and unsourced claims.
      3. Added photo of the US Capitol in darkness after the attack (Metadata shows it was taken at 5:33pm) and labeled it as Patriots look on the Capitol just before the attack. Appears to be elevating attackers to status of "patriots". Not really sure about the motivation for the incorrect description of the timeline; maybe just a simple mistake.
      4. Added claim that US Capitol Police allowed attackers into the building, sourced to a youtube video rather than secondary source analysis. Appears to be POV pushing diminishment of attackers' actions.
    2. Today
      1. Removal of "false" descriptor surrounding Trump's claims of fraud in several places; this is well-sourced throughout the article body.
      2. Addition of WP:COATRACK section of various isolated incidents of small-scale fraud or processing issues. Appears to be POV pushing electoral fraud narrative.
    3. Today Aggrandizing scale of Trump supporter crowds with obvious WP:PUFFERY.
    4. Today
      1. Removal of well-sourced "false" descriptor of claims again.
      2. Modification of "allies" to "supporters." "Allies" implies public figures rather than crowds of supporters. Not really sure what the motivation was, but this is a pattern of POV pushing.
      3. Removal of well-sourced big lie statement and the word "lie" in another place in the article.
      4. Addition of descriptor "in America and abroad" to a sentence about Trump supporters. Appears to again be aggrandizing scale of Trump support by adding irrelevant factoid about foreign support.
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    This editor launched into a foray of POV-pushing in articles about post-1920 American politics today. Worse, all of these substantial edits were marked as "minor," which may be an attempt to game the system by reducing the visibility of controversial edits on watchlists. AlexEng(TALK) 05:13, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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