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February 11

2nd RfC possibly being disrupted

I have just posted a second RfC on an issue related to WP:VER. The first, for a different article, drew just three comments, hardly enough to adjudicate an issue in the lead of a page that has one million annual visitors. Part of the reason for the poor response, I believe, is that I worded the issue in as neutral a fashion as possible, which was only fair but may have given the request little "appeal". Meanwhile, the issue - an editor's apparent mis-use of a source (I'm well versed in WP:VER) - affects the lead sentence of about 30 other articles. My larger concern is that his assertion has stood for nearly four months and is beginning to affect content in sources outside Wikipedia. The other editor and I have been debating this issue for weeks, rather congenially all things considered, but it was going nowhere so I turned to the RfC process in hopes of finally resolving the matter. With the second RfC posting, in a different but related article, the other editor immediately pasted two full paragraphs from our previous discussions and accused me of "forum shopping", of not being able to read, and of making baseless attacks. I refuse to respond, but my concern is that his behavior is disruptive and may be a "turn off" to the editors whose input I am seeking. I would appreciate suggestions regarding what I can do at this point. BTW, I'm patient and am willing sit back and let things play out for the moment, if that's your advice. It's just that I don't want this to linger too much longer. Allreet (talk) 00:55, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Talk:Continental_Association § Request_for_comment_regarding_WP:VER_and_the_use_of_sources TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 01:31, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

• Well, well...

Allreet, you are doing a lot of things wrong here, regardless of whether you are correct or not (which I have no idea, no opinion about, and frankly no interest in - as a non-American, I feel the precise definition of "Founding Father" is more theology than history).

1. Discussing another editor without mentioning them is poor form. (ping: Randy Kryn)
2. You write very long posts to make fairly simple points. Try to summarize your thoughts before writing them.
3. Regarding the RfC you just opened: it was maybe acceptable to open an RfC at this point, but the title and short description you used are terrible (see WP:RFCBRIEF). Regarding WP:VER, does "clear and direct" mean relying solely on the text of a source, as opposed to allowing verification of an assertion with a combination of the source's title and text? makes it seem like you want precisions about general interpretation of WP:V. But you are not asking for edits to be made to WP:V, you are asking for a precise dispute, namely Are the 53 signers of the Continental Association Founding Fathers of the United States?. That would have been a useful short statement for editors who rely on automated tools to screen which RfCs they want to click on.

I believe you are allowed to change the RfC statement after the fact. Considering nobody else chimed in, I would suggest you do that, and then wait for outside participation. If you feel that you need to answer to comments that others make, keep it as short as possible. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 14:11, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

thanks for alert ping. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:48, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

New 2nd RfC (one ongoing, this is the 2nd on same topic) and maybe 10th page discussion is on "if a title can be used as a source premise" (and as wording goes that would be as simple as It gets rather than a huge rambling question), and All has admitted the source is reputable and the Continental Association is one of the four founding U.S. documents. My computer broke so can't use some keys (copy and pasting 't' so I am at a big disadvan'age as this weeks long journey goes from page to page in a forum shop. Help!). Randy Kryn (talk) 14:39, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

@User:Randy Kryn Is it your computer or simply the keyboard? If it's hardware related (debris, for example, that's preventing a connection), a USB keyboard would be the cheapest/easiest solution. Software-wise, you may need to replace/update your driver. Google the issue. I'm willing to wait a reasonable amount of time for a "fix", since this would put you at a disadvantage and promote taking some unusual, less than helpful steps. Let me know. Allreet (talk) 16:20, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

• To answer Allreet’s post on my talk page (well, the part that is a question, anyway): no, the short caption of the RfC should definitely NOT mention anything about sources/titles/etc.

That is a XY problem. The question you both want solved is whether the 53 signers should be mentioned as Founding Fathers. You both might have locked on a question of whether certain sources say some stuff in the title, but other editors might bypass that question entirely (for instance, because they have found other sources, or because they disagree with a basic premise of your reasoning). You should ask the actual problem you want to solve, and not a sub-question of your own (possibly flawed) analysis of the problem. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 16:31, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Easiest it seems to me would be to close the current RfC as is allowed and open a new one with the question re-phrased per @User:Tigraan's suggestion. Changing the current RfC's question presents complications regarding @User:Randy Kryn's comments. Since no other editors commented, with this approach we can start afresh.

The personal attacks need to cease. If Randy wants to charge "forum shopping", the proper procedure would be to file a formal admin case of some kind. Allreet (talk)

Admin cases aren't my style. I think coming up on 3 RfC's and maybe nine talk page discussions falls near the circle of forum shopping. It's been Groundhog Dayish for weeks now. Randy Kryn (talk) 00:38, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Compromised Password

When I open Wikipedia my browser (Edge) tells me that the password for an account I don't use is compromised. I am not able to login with the username and password that is compromised. How do I kill, delete or inactivate this account? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mtraylor (talk • contribs) 02:24, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

@Mtraylor: Hello Mtraylor! Mind telling us what the username is (not the password, we don't need to know that)? It'll allow us to see if the username is actually register on Wikipedia. If it is then if the account is truly compromised then the account may also be able to be blocked due to it being compromised. Otherwise nothing else can be done since accounts are unable to be deleted for a multitude of reasons. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 02:27, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

How to Duplicate a page from another language to English

Hi,

I would like to duplicate this page https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stéphane_Célérier from the French Wikipedia to English Wikipedia. can anybody help me with that ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sjanapgs (talk • contribs) 10:23, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

You'll find advice at WP:Translation, but of course without any references it would not be acceptable in the English Wikipedia. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:30, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

'My page does not exist' notification

Dear Wiki help desk,

I created my Wiki account 3 days ago and wrote an article in order to submit it for the review. I only worked on it in my sandbox and it was deleted the second day. Now, my account apprear as 'this page does not exist'. Can you help me understand how can I deal with this? Thank you in advance! Serendipityyyy (talk) 11:03, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Serendipityyyy You have no edits, deleted or live, to the project(except for this one). Was it created while you were not logged into your account? 331dot (talk) 11:08, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

The message at User:Serendipityyyy is unrelated. It just means your account hasn't created a user page. It's optional to do that and doesn't affect other edits. Save a draft by clicking "Publish page" (not the most logical button text). If you say what the draft was about then we can search for it but if you were logged in then it wasn't saved. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:25, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Question re template:end tab

Hi. could you please help me understansd what is the role or purpose of template:end tab? I am fully familliar with the use of template:start tab.

I just don't see what role the template for "end tabs" serves. could you please help? thanks. --Sm8900 (talk) 11:30, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

@Sm8900: It adds a "Next page:" button to go to the next tab. It also adds two closing divs. These are needed for {{Start tab|frame=yes}}. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:44, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

I have added it to the documentation.[1] PrimeHunter (talk) 15:12, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter:, I think that is excellent. I appreciate your adding that to the documentation, and also your answer above as well. Thanks! --Sm8900 (talk) 17:56, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Help me

help me (2400:AC40:A0C:BEE7:C5F1:1A9D:50ED:D072 (talk) 12:20, 11 February 2022 (UTC))

What is it that you need help with? 331dot (talk) 12:25, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Watchlist gap

When I collapse the filter menu on the watchlist, there is a gap of approximately 4-5 lines between the collapsed filters and the actual watched titles. I achieve this both under Vector and under Monobook. Is this behaviour by design? Have I accidentally screwed up some configurations? Is it possible to remove the gap, and if so: how? Utfor (talk) 13:34, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Vandalism help request from 199.48.0.5

I have noticed some vandalism at Montgomery bus boycott Namely, they changed Jim Crow laws to Ben Dover laws and also changed a man’s name on the page to something rude. I tried to fix one of the vandalisms but don’t know how to link to other Wikipedia pages. Would an editor please assist me with fixing it? Thank you, 199.48.0.5 (talk) 14:37, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for alerting us to that. I have restored the article to the version it was at before the vandalism occured.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:16, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

I need help

Hello, everytime i edit in wikipedia, there was this message appearing while previewing the page: Error, something unexpected happened upon loading the preview. Please close and try again. How can i fix this??? Filipinohere (talk) 14:47, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

updating information

Will you please update the Mayor of Medical Lake, Washington. It is now Terri Cooper. Ms. Cooper was just elected started 1/1/22. Thanks. :)

Sincerely,

Karin — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.31.127.60 (talk) 14:52, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello. You are welcome to do so yourself, or you may wish to direct these comments to the article talk page, Talk:Medical Lake, Washington. 331dot (talk) 15:03, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

I have updated it. If you have any interest in doing things like this yourself for the future, Help:Edit may be helpful, though admittedly that was included in a template which is more complicated. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 17:08, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Creating translation page from CZ to EN

Hi there! I am trying to make translation of my father's cs.wiki page to en.wiki. The only thing I could do so far was draft and user page because I am not "experienced". Could anybody please help me to publish english page so I can link the czech one to it?

Thank you! Azgalus — Preceding unsigned comment added by Azgalus (talk • contribs) 15:53, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

@Azgalus: I have added the AFC template for you to submit it for review. I would review it myself, but I don't feel particularly comfortable reviewing biographies. Alternatively, if you make another edit, you will be able to move it to being an article, as you will gain autoconfirmed permissions, which allow moving articles; please remove the AFC template I added if you go that route. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 18:15, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

I wouldn't recommend moving the article into Mainspace yourself, even if you are technically able to do so. It would still get reviewed by our New Page Patrollers, who might treat it more harshly owing to the COI, the foreign-language sources and the (possible) notability issues. Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:30, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

References

@Azgalus: As has already been noted on your Talk Page, you have a conflict of interest and possibly even could be construed as being paid by your father. However, that doesn't matter when creating drafts, provided you disclose these things as you've already done, at least for the COI. I'm not a new page reviewer but do know that English Wikipedia's standards of notability are probably more stringent than the czech one. The best way to find out is to submit your draft for review. You can do that at the shortcut WP:SUBMIT. The only other advice I'd give is to try and add a couple of references to sources in English. While foreign-language ones are fine if no others exist, it does mean that the person who reviews the draft may need to understand a bit of czech, which will limit the number of editors who can do it. Note that once in Mainspace here you should not make further changes to the article because of your COI and should only request alterations via its Talk Page. Good luck! Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:21, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Notability of artists

Are there discussions about how the notability of artists is determined (see WP:ARTIST - scroll down to Creative professionals)? I am concerned that the current criteria mean that digital art, which is rarely exhibited or bought by institutions, is basically invisible in Wikipedia and that that is a serious problem for scholarship on art. I am a researcher and have been trying to connect my dataset on digital artworks, video games, novels and movies that reference technologies to wikipedia and Wikidata, and I found that games and movies are very well documented in Wikipedia and Wikidata, but that I couldn't match more than about 5% of the digital artworks and artists in my dataset. Their work is on the web, they present it at festivals but it's not in museums and I doubt many of them would count as "notable" by current criteria - but I think it's a huge problem if the Wikipedia renders these invisible. Especially when individual episodes of TV shows have their own entries... Lijil (talk) 16:21, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Lijil Not every episode of every TV show merits its own article; it must receive significant coverage in independent reliable sources. The same applies to digital artists- they must receive significant coverage in independent reliable sources showing (currently) how they meet the broad definition of a notable person. The more specific criteria listed under creative professionals are not meant to override the more general notability criteria, but are specific points that satisfy notability. This does mean that certain topic areas may be underserved, but it is necessary for verification purposes. However, you are welcome to discuss this topic at Wikipedia talk:Notability (people). 331dot (talk) 16:29, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

The notability of anyone can be determined by WP:GNG. Ignore any other advice you find, only pain is in that direction. If you want to demonstrate notability, you just need to show that the subject has previously been the subject of extensive, independent coverage in reliable sources. That can be an artist, a business man, a scientific theory, a building, a concept from a branch of philosophy, whatever. It doesn't matter what it is. Wikipedia doesn't care. It just cares that the text in a Wikipedia article is verifiable, and for that to happen, we need to have solid, independent, reliable source texts to use to verify the information. If you have reliable and extensive books and articles and things like that about the artist, just cite those and you should be good. --Jayron32 16:29, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Well, I believe the point of WP:NARTIST #4b/d (criteria based on exhibition / permanent collection) is that usually such exhibition / permanent display would come with critical commentary from the museum/gallery curator (for instance, in exhibition brochures, guided tour speeches, etc.). Those would be valid sources to meet GNG, but are not easily available (you need to go physically to the gallery, possibly back in time if it was a temporary exhibition and the signs are down).

Digital art will never be exhibited with a sign next to it, but it might still be subject to critical commentary in art journals and the like. (Many of Banksy’s works are notable, even if not exhibited in museums.)

I suspect there might be an availability bias at hand here. One web page is as easy to access as the next one, so unnotable digital art is easy to come by. On the other hand, unnotable physical art pieces might well outnumber notable physical art pieces, but the unnotable masses are hidden in artists’ workshops, museum storeboxes etc., so that the stuff you see in galleries/museums is much more likely to be notable. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 16:56, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

The point of WP:NARTIST is to let you know when it is likely sources exist, so it may be worth it to spend the time looking for them. WP:V, a cornerstone Wikipedia policy, still requires that any text still needs sources, and if the sources don't actually exist (or cannot be found), then there shouldn't be an article until they do. --Jayron32 17:39, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Highlight entries on recent changes and related changes

Is there an easy way to show all namespaces, and highlight any entries that are not in article space. Of course, I can select the highlighting options for all namespaces but article space, but this is awkward. So, as said, is there an easy alternative? (This might apply to e.g. any entries that are not project space, or whatever. What I seek is an easy and quick method, regardless of what namespace I am more or less interested in.) Utfor (talk) 17:34, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

@Utfor: When selecting namespaces in a search filter, there is a button that says Exclude selected in the top right. After selecting the namespace you don't want to see (in your case the article namespace), you can hit the button, which will search for everything but the selected spaces. ― Levi_OP^Talk 18:54, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

User:Levi_OP I am aware of this. I look for the highlight option to use on the no.wikipedia with lower editing rate as compared to en.wiki. What I want is to show both articles and other pages, but as articles are much more often edited, highlighting them results in "visual overload", and I find it easier to get an overview with the highlight just on the relatively few pages outside article space. Utfor (talk) 19:04, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

@Utfor: Oh, my brain skipped over the part that said "highlight". As far as I know, highlighting certain types of articles in recent changes isn't a built in feature. You could use a script to do this, which I imagine would be incredibly easy. If you'd like something like this made, you could make a request at Wikipedia:User scripts/Requests. ― Levi_OP^Talk 20:47, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

User:Levi_OP Thanks, I'll head over there. I'm a bit unsure though, right beside the exclude selected as you mention, there is a button called highlight results, I would assume this is "built in" (as I have not set any special settings in order for this to work) -- or is it a user script involved? Utfor (talk) 20:55, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

@Utfor: Yes, this is built in. I don't usually use the recent changes page so I didn't know about this functionality. It doesn't look like there is a built in way to highlight everything except something and a user script probably is still the thing that you want to do. My question though, is why would you want to do this? If you're highlighting everything except one thing, you're kind of defeating the purpose of highlighting. ― Levi_OP^Talk 21:46, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

User:Levi_OP It sorted it out. The trick is to choose "blue" for all contents and all discussions and choose "yellow" for (Article). Then, add

.mw-rcfilters-highlight-color-c3{background:white}

to a CSS userpage. The reason for these "inverse" recent changes colour filters is that there are much more edits in article space, and reducing the number of coloured lines improves readability (my personal experience). Utfor (talk) 12:37, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Are 'obituary' reliable sources?

I want to know if 'obituary' article piece of a living person can be considered reliable or not for the neutral evaluation of that person if the source is "The Independent"? Thank you! 🙏 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arorapriyansh333 (talk • contribs) 17:55, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

If you mean an obituary written by the subject, no. (An obituary is an article about a person's death, so a living person should not be a subject of one.) —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 18:11, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

An obituary published by a reliable source such as The Independent would normally be regarded as reliable, Arorapriyansh333. But whether or not it is independent depends on who wrote it. If the obituary was written by a close associate of the subject, it would not be regarded as independent; if it was written by a respected critic or journalist, it may be. --ColinFine (talk) 18:31, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Arorapriyansh333. There are two distinct types of obituaries. The first type is written by family members or close friends of the person who died, and usually, they pay the newspaper to run the obituary. An obituary of this type is not fact checked and is not a reliable source although it may provide clues for refining online searches for better sources. The second type is written by professional journalists about higher profile people who have just died, and often these are researched and written in draft form and fact checked even before the person dies. This type of obituary is a reliable source. Cullen328 (talk) 02:02, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Made edit

Hi, I made an edit on a page that was correct, but somebody changed it, what can I do? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Disinformation Corrector (talk • contribs) 23:28, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Disinformation Corrector I assume this refers to Julien Blanc. You removed sourced information and replaced it with unsourced information. All information must be sourced to a reliable source that can be verified. Wikipedia does not deal in truth, as truth is in the eye of the beholder, we deal in what can be verified. If you have a source, please read Referencing for beginners and then offer it on the article talk page, in a discussion with other editors to reach a consensus. 331dot (talk) 23:42, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

February 12

Is there is anyway I can make the Template:FranceFlagNote template work like the Template:UKFlagNote template

I wanted to make the Template:FranceFlagNote template in any French flag articles (e.g. List of flags of Île-de-France) work like the Template:UKFlagNote template in any British flag articles (e.g. List of English flags). But how can I fix this template? SpinnerLaserzthe2nd (talk) 00:39, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

@Paine Ellsworth: - is this something you are able to assist with? Mjroots (talk) 09:32, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

To editors Mjroots and SpinnerLaserzthe2nd:  Checking... P.I. Ellsworth - ed. ^put'r there 01:27, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

To editors Mjroots and SpinnerLaserzthe2nd: preliminary tests show positive results. Can more specifics be added here to aid in troubleshooting? What exactly does the FranceFlagNote template not do that you want it to do, or what does it do that you don't want it to do exactly? P.I. Ellsworth - ed. ^put'r there 01:48, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

It supposed to display something like "reg" just like in List of English flags. When clicking on the "regd", it supposed to go directly to the footnotes section. Instead, it displays like this: (Registered by the French Society of Vexillology) SpinnerLaserzthe2nd (talk) 03:30, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Yes, it displays what the template tells it to display. For example, at List of English flags#Historic counties, the "Flag of Oxfordshire" displays (Registered by the Flag Institute), which is what the {{UKFlagNote}} template tells it to display. That's governed by the switch function in the templates: |registered=<small>(Registered by the Flag Institute)</small>. In the {{FranceFlagNote}} template, the switch is set to |registered=<small>(Registered by the French Society of Vexillology)</small>, so that is what will be displayed. In the List of flags of Île-de-France, I used {{FranceFlagNote|regd|Île-de-France}} (in preview, not saved) for the "Regional council flag of Île-de-France". That created a footnote and a link to https://drapeaux-sfv.org/drapeaux-de-france/ (like this: (Registered by the French Society of Vexillology)). That is what the {{FranceFlagNote}} template makes it do. Exactly what would you have the template do differently? P.I. Ellsworth - ed. ^put'r there 10:28, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

References

Wikipedia

What exactly does Wikipedia do? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1006:B024:44B8:55BB:5B28:F4D5:677D (talk) 00:52, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello IP! To answer your question I'm going to quote the first sentence of WP:Purpose. "Wikipedia's purpose is to benefit readers by acting as a widely accessible and free encyclopedia; a comprehensive written compendium that contains information on all branches of knowledge." Hope that helps answer your question! ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 00:55, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Payment debit

I have had £2.00 deducted from bank account. These are the details as displayed:

Wikipedia -£2.00 Website: https:/www.Wikipedia.org PayPal Wikipedia Visa Purchase 402-935-7733 US

I’m hoping you can help identify what it is for Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.161.48.119 (talk) 09:02, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello. Almost everybody who looks at this page is a volunteer editor of Wikipedia, and we have no knowledge or information about donations, which are handled by the Wikimedia Foundation; so nobody here will be able to help you. Please go to donate:Problems donating. --ColinFine (talk) 12:48, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Template:Digital clock – how to change color of the clock for each day in a week?

How to change color of the clock for each day in a week? For example, Monday is orange, Tuesday is yellow, Wednesday is lime-green,… Sunday is red. Thanks for much. Ccv2020 (talk) 09:21, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

@Ccv2020: You can use a {{#switch:}} statement over {{LOCALDOW}}(with a similar effect as Template:Digital clock#Random colors), which outputs a number corrsesponding to the current date in weekk (Sunday=0, Monday=1, etc). Example:

{{Digital clock |color = {{#switch:{{LOCALDOW}} |0=red |1=orange |2=lime |3=yellow |4=cyan |5=magenta | 6=white}}}} produces

Hope this helps, Victor Schmidt (talk) 12:08, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Polytonic

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Hello. What is your question about editing Wikipedia? --ColinFine (talk) 12:51, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Nonpartisanism and Non-partisan democracy, two articles i do not understand. (I think they are to blame for it, not me)

Maybe some of my problems are due to my en-2(at most), but i think at least a part of my problems are issues of the articles. In Talk:Nonpartisanism#The word "lack" and in Talk:Non-partisan democracy#A contradictory sentence i addressed some of the problems. I was not the first one to state lacks of quality on these talk pages.

The article Nonpartisanism is imho not a low-importance article, since for instance the National Rifle Association article links there (quotation: "Until the 1970s, the NRA was nonpartisan"), and the NRA is categorized in Category:Nonpartisan organizations in the United States. Many other articles link there, some of them dealing with scientific advisory committees to governments and so on.

What can i now do there? For instance, is intensive use of the Template:Citation needed allowed for a Wikipedia youngster (youngster = ~400 edits in en Wiki, many of them m or talk) like me? I do not know sources of information that could serve as references for the articles. --Himbeerbläuling (talk) 13:37, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Himbeerbläuling: Nonpartisanism is not about a subject, it's about a word – moreover, a word which, as it shows, has been used with a wide range of meanings. In my view, the whole article should be deleted, citing WP:NOTDICT.

I sympathise with your comment at Talk:Non-partisan_democracy#A_contradictory_sentence, though I would instead object to the whole paragraph being included in an article on "non-partisan democracy". If elected advisors have no control over the laws passed by an unelected person or body, it is not any kind of democracy. Maproom (talk) 08:21, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Nonsense user talk page

Special:Pagehistory/User talk:167.98.223.66 is quite useless. What is the proper action to be taken? Utfor (talk) 14:26, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Blank and leave the history seems fine; I'm not even sure you have to go that far, but it does somewhat impede with communication. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 06:14, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Pop-up ad delivered by article source

I was looking at East Bay Walls. Some time later I noticed a little window - actually it was a pop-under, hidden behind my browser, advertising McAfee antivirus. I haven't seen one of these for years, I thought they belonged to a bygone era. But looking at my history, it evidently emerged from source number 1 on the article (I had visited the source to read it), a news item on the site "Newser". I just wonder how to react to that: if I delete the source, well, I'd be depriving the article of a source, one which it makes extensive use of. I guess it's only an ad, it was just delivered in a nefarious sort of way through a series of redirects and window data apparently embedded in URL strings. Should I write "warning, contains popup ads" in the reference? Is there a template for that? Or does it not matter?  Card Zero  (talk) 15:38, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Critique of political economy - apparently needs to be updated

Hi!

First of all thank you if you answer this request.

I'd like to know what I should do if I've gotten a request to update something on this page, but I can't really understand what needs to be updated. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critique_of_political_economy

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Critique_of_political_economy&diff=1071283588&oldid=1071283143

Any help will be appreciated.

Kind regards//Pauloroboto (talk) 15:50, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Pauloroboto. There's no particular reason why anybody who looks at this page will have any knowledge or interest in the content of that article. You are doing the right thing in engaging with the other editor on Talk:Critique of political economy. If you want to involve other knowledgeable editors, there is a list of relevant WikiProjects at the top of the talk page, and you can ask at the talk pages of those WikiProjects. By the way it is not true that I've gotten a request to update something: an editor has added a tag suggesting that the article needs to be updated. If you choose to work on it, that's fine, but it is not a request to you. The article, like all Wikipedia articles, is not owned by anybody. --ColinFine (talk) 16:43, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

You could start a section on the article's talk page, and then leave a link to it on User:X-Editor's along with an invitation to explain the tagging. The tag does say "discuss these issues on the talk page", after all, so in my opinion the user ought to have initiated that first before slapping the template on.

...I see you've recently done exactly that with another editor. This is the sort of article that tends to be fought over, unfortunately, because from the point of view of every editor, every other editor is biased.  Card Zero  (talk) 16:42, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

The reason I put those tags on the article is because User:SPECIFICO raised concerns about its neutrality and datedness on this talk page. If you want to discuss the problem, you should invite him to the talk page of the article in question. X-Editor (talk) 16:53, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello ColinFine. I get that wikipedia is decommodified for now, sorry for my bad phrasing, what I meant to say was rather that I've ran into someone who wants a page updated, and I'd be glad to help.

CardZero

Thanks for the suggestion. I found it interesting that one user placed another template due to the wishes of another user as well. That makes the situation somewhat unclear.

When I'm already here, how does the praxis look regarding when a user creates a template and she isn't willing to elaborate much on how it can be resolved and one has looked at e.g the POV page, but if can't figure out anything more to improve after reading that, how should one then proceed in trying to improve the page? I removed it once according to the instructions on this page, after improving the article, (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Maintenance_template_removal) but that was apparently to no satisfaction.

Kind regards,

Pauloroboto (talk) 17:01, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

I'm just going to be blunt here. You are publishing a lot of content from a Marxist point of view that does not represent mainstream thinking on the subjects of the articles. In other cases the names of the pages are themselves problematic, e.g. Critique of political economy -- do we have an article called critique of physics, critique of cooking, critique of animal behavior, etc? You might do better to go to, e.g. the page for Mills Principles of Economics and add text that narrates widely voiced significant views about that work and its content and implications. The editing I see you doing now, over and over, is building content forks or POV forks that accumulate a lot of article text that details views that are not widely held or are WP:FRINGE. Finally, after an editor has responded to you and stated their view of a problem with your proposed content, the WP:ONUS and the WP:BURDEN are on you to find RS sources and to demonstrate their significance relative to the subject. Just one more observation -- you might be more successful if you would treat your work as falling within the field of sociology rather than setting up the last 200+ years of economic thinking as a straw man. That is certainly not a mainstream approach and it's not likely to be a productive use of your time. SPECIFICO talk 17:20, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

I note that prefix:criticism of returns a lot of interesting results. I think that it wouldn't hurt you to explain what you want, to begin with. If this turns into a kind of fillibustering on Pauloroboto's part then by all means wheel out the ONUS link again. If I was Pauloroboto I'd follow your advice to use WP:RSN and WP:NPOVN, and see what happpens. Get a bit of oversight in, for reassurance that Pauloroboto isn't trying to sneak fringe views into Wikipedia (heavens!) and that you aren't pressuring the poor innocent (?) editor to conform with your personal preferences either. I note that this article was originally in Swedish: just mentioning that because what seems like a case of being politically fringe may turn out to actually be a case of being culturally Swedish, where Marxism is possibly more mainstream.  Card Zero  (talk) 17:58, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Right, so move the page to Marxist views of classical economic theory and it gets at least a little closer to on track. But there are similar problems on many articles. SPECIFICO talk 18:01, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

The behavior is escalating at various articles, including the Critique of political economy. I am about done giving OP advice on PAGs that could help them edit constructively. If anyone's interested in mentoring OP, please begin. SPECIFICO talk 17:56, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Moved the page

I have moved the page to Marxist critique of political economy. I think this goes a long way to resolving some of the worst NPOV problems and setting a course for possible improvement of the article. SPECIFICO talk 13:59, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for this response SPECIFICO. It's always helpful with communication. I'm glad that you still want to improve the article even after all this time. I've missed a lot due to the lack of tags, which has made this slightly frustrating due to me having missed that you've written some kind of response.

I disagree with this move completely. And have called upon other users to take a look at the page, something we probably should have done a long time ago.

Please note that there is a page regarding this in german, arabic and spanish by this point. It's hardly a fringe subject and has been around for ages. Marx, Baudrillard and Ruskin is hardly fringe.

However! It's fringe within the subject of economics, but the thoughts that's commonplace in economics is also fringe in the critique of political economy. Hence what you're pointing out does not really amount to much. It's equivalent to saying that soccer is fringe within hockey. It is different fields.

Regarding some edits you make I sincerely doubt that you have much understanding of the topic at hand, but I might be wrong and would like to be proven wrong. However, edits like the one where you changed the definition to make it look like critics of economy claim that "the economy doesn't exist" really makes me wonder.

I also do not think that you really think that critique of political economy is some swedish cultural phenomenon. At least I've never heard of some form of traditional ABBA, smörgåsbord and ekonomikritik, if you know someone who has that's really somewhat of a black swan. If you would have checked the Versionsgeschichte on the german wikipedia you would have quickly found out that it is a page created in 2007.

Regarding this viewpoint "You might be more successful if you would treat your work as falling within the field of sociology rather than setting up the last 200+ years of economic thinking as a straw man. That is certainly not a mainstream approach and it's not likely to be a productive use of your time.

If you are going to read the article without grasping the context within which the authors write, why bother? I'll guess that what you reacted to was the recent addition "A brief sketch of the contemporary critique of economy". If you glance at the footnotes you'll quickly notice, that is if you didn't manage to read the whole topic, that it's a critique of contemporary (mainstream) economics. That you call the opinions of authors within the academy "straw-men" speaks volumes in my opinion. I'll gladly argue about this in good faith, but I guess that you certainly understand that those three topics aren't meant to address every sentence that has been written about economics since 1822.

My only intention here is to spread knowledge, I assume you're trying to do the same. Which makes it hard to understand why do you question my motives? Do you think this debate would get to a higher quality level if I started questioning your motives. Let's talk about the issue at hand.

I hope we can reach a understanding soon enough, and that the opinions of other editors can contribute to a worthwhile process for everyone involved.

Kind regards, Pauloroboto (talk) 15:16, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Created new article and can't find it now

I just spent 3 hours creating an article for Emily James, the American actress that just hit with the DraftKings commercial, and I can't find it now to continue editing. My computer's browser crashed and I had to restart the computer to resolve. I looked at "Contributions", but it isn't showing up. Is there some "undo" I'm not aware of? Did I lose everything?

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ron12589 (talk • contribs) 16:05, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Ron12589 Your edit history indicates no edits to any such article. I suspect your browser crashed before you could click "publish changes". Unfortunately I think you lost it. 331dot (talk) 16:13, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Ron12589, I recommend that you develop new content in a personal sandbox page (not the main sandbox) or in a draft page, clicking the blue "publish changes" button frequently. This will minimize any losses due to a crash. Cullen328 (talk) 19:39, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

My search history

How can I recall my recent searches on Wikipedia? I want to go back about a week. --GWS — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6C55:7F:FD2F:ECD0:985C:E9DC:D4A5 (talk) 16:18, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Maybe your browser history can help. Unfortunately, Wikipedia can not. --Himbeerbläuling (talk) 16:20, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I think that your only hope is the "history" menu of your browser, seeking the URL of the pages you visited at the time. Wikipedia itself doesn't hold records of searches, only of edits made. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:22, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

wikipedia new name

Hi

I wish to include a name who is globally known in wikipedia , can u let me know the steps

thank s Surya [mail redacted] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.123.171.68 (talk) 16:38, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Surya. I have removed your email - nobody will reply to you from here in that way, but having your address on such a public page is inviting spam.

The operation you are considering is not "include a name" but "write an encyclopaedia article" - that is the only way to include somebody in Wikipedia. Writing an article is much more difficult than people realise, and I always advise new editors to spend a few months learning how Wikipedia works by making small improvements to some of our six million articles before trying this. But when you feel ready, please read your first article. Note that unless you first find the sources required to establish that the person meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability, then you may be wasting any work you put in. --ColinFine (talk) 16:50, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Recreation of a G11 deleted page

What is the next step when a user simply recreates a page (with the exact same problematic content) that had previously been speedy deleted as unambiguous promotion (G11)? See the deletion log -- Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 20:09, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Just tag it for deletion. --Orange Mike | Talk 20:18, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

If it keeps happening, you could ask the deleting admin to add create protection when asking them to delete the latest version - Arjayay (talk) 20:27, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Or tag and then ask for a salt at WP:RPP. Protection and deletion both require the same user right (Administrator). —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 20:36, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

LGBT-related slurs category page update

Hello! Is there any way I can take the term truscum off the LGBT-related slurs category page, or any way that someone else could do it? I'm not quite sure how to edit it myself, but truscum is not an LGBT slur. It's slang, and usually used in a derogatory way, but that does not make it a slur by any means. It would be like saying MAP or TERF is a slur. Thank you in advance! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:2D80:AF0F:2000:9D40:DF7D:2B10:676F (talk) 23:56, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

You must remove the category from the article, not the article from the category. However, please obtain consensus to do so on the article talk page first. 331dot (talk) 00:03, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Truscum is a redirect to Transmedicalism and not an article. Redirects rarely have activity on the talk page. A word with "scum" used in a derogatory way sounds like a slur to me but I don't know any of the terms truscum, MAP, TERF. You could try Wikipedia:Reference desk/Language. PrimeHunter (talk) 06:35, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

February 13

Help me template

What is {{Help me}} template do? 2001:44B8:41C6:F700:3C6D:291E:E243:942A (talk) 02:42, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

It is documented at {{Help me}}. --David Biddulph (talk) 02:45, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Change Title

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Rao_Balaji_Rathore

In above link ............

The page title is "Template:Rao_Balaji_Rathore" pls remove word 'Template' from it — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rajsingh123456 (talk • contribs) 05:45, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

@Rajsingh123456: Hi there! I've nominated Template:Rao Balaji Rathore for deletion, as well as Template:Kaptan and Template:Jalore1. Victor Schmidt moved the content to Draft:Rao Balaji Rathore, since it is not ready to be an article as it has no references. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) GoingBatty (talk) 06:13, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

(yet another edit conflict) please see Your first article for guidance on what is required for a new article. Victor Schmidt (talk) 06:15, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Adding Net worth of people

How to add net worth of people in their infobox person, if they are predominantly known for their net worth like investors, entrepreneurs etc Pritam Shaw🍀 (💬 • 📝)

@Pritam Shaw: It was deprecated at Template talk:Infobox person/Archive 36#Deprecating the net worth parameter? and has been removed from the output. There may be more specialized infoboxes which still have such a parameter. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:23, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Deletion of a page

Hi - Can you tell me who I have to contact about deleting a Wiki page It is concerning an airfield in North Devon, UK. The information is completely wrong, and of course, could be dangerous to pilots visiting. It also links to Facebook and the airfield has a Facebook page, but the page with incorrect information keeps showing up in searches which means pilots cannot find the CORRECT information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Altomar718 (talk • contribs) 08:37, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

There are a number of avenues to deletion of articles detailed in the guide to deletion. It's hard to say what the best approach would be without knowing the name of the article in question. Beeblebrox (talk) 08:47, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

@Altomar718: What is the article in question? What is the incorrect information? Mjroots (talk) 09:27, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

What kinds of pilots use Wikipedia to formulate their flight plan?! Clarityfiend (talk) 09:30, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Hopefully so few that we don't need an addition to Wikipedia:Legal disclaimer and Wikipedia:Medical disclaimer. "Wikipedia does not offer advice on where to land your plane without crashing"? PrimeHunter (talk) 09:58, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

The poster has blanked Belle Vue Airfield. I have restored it. "It is most popular for model aircraft". Yeah, that's where I will land my plane without checking anything. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:06, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

I suspected that might be what they were getting at, and it is possible that a single short, private, grass runway primarily used by model airplanes is not notable enough for an article, but of course simply blanking it is not the way to proceed. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:33, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

No target errors

I am not sure how to fix the sfn no target errors on Lake Estancia - to me it looks like the titles match. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 10:14, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

@Jo-Jo Eumerus: Special:ExpandTemplates can reveal where a category is added (except Special:TrackingCategories added automatically by MediaWiki). Category:Harv and Sfn no-target errors is added three times. I haven't examined why but maybe the location can help you. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:24, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Tried that, but it didn't help at all. Perhaps it's a matter of nesting a sfn in an efn but I wouldn't know how to resolve it then. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 10:28, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

@Jo-Jo Eumerus: I examined the first case:

{{sfn|Dictionary Geotechnical Engineering/Wörterbuch GeoTechnik: English-German/Englisch-Deutsch – closed basin|2014|p=236}}
...
* {{cite book |title=Dictionary Geotechnical Engineering/Wörterbuch GeoTechnik: English-German/Englisch-Deutsch |date=2014 |publisher=Springer |isbn=978-3-642-41714-6 |page=1018 |url=https://link.springer.com/referenceworkentry/10.1007/978-3-642-41714-6_162627 |ref={{harvid|Dictionary Geotechnical Engineering/Wörterbuch GeoTechnik: English-German/Englisch-Deutsch|2014}} |language=en |chapter=pluvial lake}}

The " – closed basin" part is not matched. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:47, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Um, in the source they do match. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 11:10, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

The dash in " – closed basin" was different in the two locations, so I copied the second onto the first to fix it. There are are still errors at references 125 and 126. TSventon (talk) 11:25, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

@Jo-Jo Eumerus: I made a wrong assumption about what it was trying to match. It was this:

* {{cite journal |title=closed basin |date=2014 |pages=236–236 |doi=10.1007/978-3-642-41714-6_32452 |url=https://link.springer.com/referenceworkentry/10.1007/978-3-642-41714-6_32452 |ref={{harvid|Dictionary Geotechnical Engineering/Wörterbuch GeoTechnik: English-German/Englisch-Deutsch - closed basin|2014}} |publisher=Springer |language=en}}

As TSventon says, the dashes were different (en dash versus hyphen). That's tricky because some browsers may match them in the browser's own string search feature. If you copy-paste in the source then all browsers will hopefully copy the right character. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:51, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, that worked. It was a dash-emdash-whatever sort of thing. It's solved now. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 12:50, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Help with AfD

Hi, I filed a AfD nomination at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2016 United States presidential election in American Samoa. The problem is it was my very first filing, and I tried to file multiple articles for all of whom it is the 2nd nomination. Looks like I wasn't well prepared to file this and now I'm stuck. It will be of immense help if an editor can continue from where I left. Thanks! ---CX Zoom(^he/_him) (^{let's talk}|_contribs) 17:05, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

CX Zoom, the nomination looks fine, the AfD notice and today's AfD page bioth link to the discussion. However you need to add notifications to the three other article pages that you added to the nomination. TSventon (talk) 18:51, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Changing information in wikipedia?

Hi! I am new to wikipedia and the roles of users and editors. I noticed that a couple of pages are using a lot of my research, which is totally fine, but that some of the information is not factual. For example it says 1940 Tokyo Olympics were cancelled due to world war 2, when in fact they were forfeited back to the IOC. Someone from the Washington Post then also said the games were cancelled due to world war 2...which in fact they were forfeited by Tokyo, then Helsinki forfeited them, and then they were cancelled. Perhaps this is my being really anal and specific, but I think mislabeling events leads to further confusion. So my request is, how do I suggest that the 1940 Tokyo Games be relabeled as Forfeited by Tokyo Organizing committee, and the 1940 Olympic Games were cancelled due to war? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.131.141.25 (talk) 19:34, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello. The article 1940 Summer Olympics already uses the word "forfeited", but if reliable sources also use the word "canceled", then so too will Wikipedia. Please discuss your concerns at Talk:1940 Summer Olympics. Cullen328 (talk) 19:53, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

If you want advice or edits regarding other articles then please link them so we can see the circumstances. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:26, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Need table so I can put in an article

I would like this patent table done so I can put into Lambert Gas and Gasoline Engine Company. I would like to place it at the end of the History section. It is too technical for me to do. Any help would be appreciated. I can then place a reference at the end so I can show where I got the info, which happens to be from the Library of Congress. Thanks for help.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 21:56, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Do you just need that done as a table? Shouldn't be that hard in that case, but I'm not sure that's what you want – I'll put it together in my sandbox as such. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 03:28, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

@Skarmory: Yes, that will do it. Thanks! --Doug Coldwell (talk) 10:50, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

February 14

Cite a musical recording

Hi Folks! How would you a cite a musicial recording. It is for The Aesthetics of Resistance, specifically this: [2]. Thanks. scope_creep^Talk 01:44, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

I found Cite AV media notes. Would there be anything else that would be suitable, for example citing classical music. Thanks. scope_creep^Talk 07:27, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

In the section heading, you refer to a musical recording. Then, in the OP, you link to a WorldCat web page (presumably about the recording). In your second post you name {{cite AV media note}}. That template is to be used when citing "print liner notes from albums, DVDs, CDs and similar audio-visual media."

What is it that you really want to cite? If the musical recording: {{cite av media}}; if the musical-recording liner notes: {{cite av media notes}}; if the Worldcat page: {{cite web}}.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 12:02, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

@Trappist the monk: Those cites are really for physical recording. They're very generic and don't contain the fields that would typically need to be filled. I'm trying to find something that will cite the whole details of the symphony. I found this: {{Template:Cantata discography row}} which display a row in table. There must be a template that can cite a symphony name, who created it, the orchestra name, the conductor name, the label it was recording on, the leading people, recording date, what type of symphony it is e.g cantata, how many and names individual sections with in, the name of the choir, when and who commissioned it and so on. That must exist somewhere. This template comes close but seems to need the table to work. scope_creep^Talk 02:48, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Query regarding wikipedia usage

Hey, I'm new to wikipedia and I want to know how to search for the files I need. It'd be great if you can help. Thankyou :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:6B0:2A:C280:686D:A36D:E91:738C (talk) 02:05, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Query regardingHey, I'm new to wikipedia and I want to know how to search for the files I need. It'd be great if you can help. Thankyou :) wikipedia usage — Preceding unsigned comment added by Testuser73537 (talk • contribs) 02:42, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

@Testuser73537: Hey! You can attempt to search for files like you would for any article in the top right, but put File: before what you want to search for. Alternatively, you can look at image categories, either here or on Wikipedia Commons. Hope this helps! Skarmory (talk • contribs) 03:30, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Que Re: Finding relevant matter

Hey, I'm new here and I want to know how to search for what I want. Can someone help? Thank you :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Testuser73537 (talk • contribs) 02:59, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

You may use the search bar at the top of the screen to search for a topic or article you are interested in. 331dot (talk) 03:05, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Where to request a copy of a deleted article?

I am aware that some Administrators are willing to provide copies of deleted pages. Is it advisable to make such a request on the Admins' talk pages? NotReallySoroka (talk) 06:06, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

See WP:REFUND. It's usually a request on the closers talk, and bare in mind it depends on why it was deleted if it would be returned. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:57, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, Lee Vilenski, but I only need the copy of the deleted page for myself. NotReallySoroka (talk) 09:16, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

That is the process for recovering deleted articles. Most would put this into a draft or userspace on request. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:19, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

I'd like to upload some images which are PD in the US, but copyrighted in Australia.

There's a category on Commons for Norman Lindsay's works. (commons:Category:Works_by_Norman_Lindsay.) He was Australian and died in 1969, so his works are not in the public domain in Australia (unless they were works-for-hire or made for the government). However, I found this exhibition catalog from 1923, which, by publication date, is in the public domain in the United States, though not in Australia, as I understand it. I think I can I upload this to the English Wikipedia (given commons:COM:URAA and commons:COM:HIRTLE. Is there a way I can add a note or metadata to say that it will be out of copyright in 2040, and should be moved to Commons then? Which copyright tags do I use? Is {{PD-US-expired-abroad|2040}} correct here? grendel|khan 07:01, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

I think you are correct and the tag you suggest is all that is required. I'm surprised the template doesn't provide for saying for which country the copyright continues. So far as I know there are no country templates for such in-copyright files but I'd like to be proved wrong. However, you can state the country somewhere in the file description, as I'm sure you will. Our content guideline is at WP:Non-U.S. copyrights. Thincat (talk) 11:41, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Issue with my Wikipedia page

Hello there, I am the owner of a Wikipedia page, under my name, Narges Ranjbar Sari. I’m former athlete of the Iranian national team in two disciplines of taekwondo and shooting and one of the few Iranian women athletes who succeeded in wearing two completely different disciplines wearing the national team jersey. My name is registered in both the World Taekwondo and Shooting Federations as Iran's representative in international competitions. As well as the few international positions I have gained over the years. I posted all this content on my Wikipedia page and now domestic and foreign news agencies, but unfortunately, due to uncertainty, this content is not accepted by Wikipedia. I would like to ask you if you can help me.

Thank you Best regards

Narges Ranjbar Sari

Narges Ranjbar Sari (talk) 07:03, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

This is regarding Draft:Narges Ranjbar Sari. Clarityfiend (talk) 07:22, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Narges Ranjbar Sari I think that you mean that you are the subject of a Wikipedia draft, not the owner of it. No one owns any Wikipedia content, it belongs to Wikipedia. Be aware that while not forbidden, writing about yourself is highly discouraged, please read the autobiography policy. You have provided sources to document your significant sporting career, but you must provide sources that discuss you personally and not just tell us that you were on the team and what you did. Please read Your First Article. 331dot (talk) 11:04, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

New Article

Hi there, I am relatively new to Wikipedia and just wanted to check the contribution for 'Irish Pickers TV series' was submitted in the correct way?

Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Joyce1959&action=edit&section=3

Thanks in advance!

Joyce1959 (talk) 10:58, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

@Joyce1959 No, it was not. You added it to the bottom of your user talk page, which is a place designed for people to leave comments for you. Draft articles should be in draft space. I would encourage you to copy it over there. Another problem with it is that your references are all clumped together at the end, rather than being properly located inline, next to the information they support. Once you've moved it to draft space and fixed the referencing issues, put the magic text {{subst:submit}} at the top of the draft and someone from articles for creation will come along and review it. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 15:37, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

New to wikipedia

I have done my research on Meethaas and would like to write about it here. Please advice further. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Meethaas (talk • contribs) 11:40, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Meethaas Wikipedia is not for posting original research. 331dot (talk) 11:42, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

If Meethaas, whatever that is, meets the demands of WP:GNG, you'll find advice at WP:YFA. If not, you can't write about Meethas on Wikipedia. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:00, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Apparently it's a sweet shop in Haryana. --Orange Mike | Talk 15:06, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

That could be it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:17, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

How to move a submitted draft to mainspace

Hi, I had already submitted a draft for review. In the mean time, I have also contributed more than 10 times.

Can I now move/ publish the page in the mainspace and how? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sjanapgs (talk • contribs) 12:49, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

I've done some minor edits to the pages. You can move to mainspace, although I am concerned that this person has just been involved in a series of things, rather than being particularly notable themselves. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:04, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Question asked and answered at the Teahouse. Please do not cross post.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 13:14, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

I would like to delete my profile permanently

Delete my profile — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pickaxe2020 (talk • contribs) 15:48, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia doesn't have "profiles". You have an "account", whose only edit is this question. Accounts can't be deleted, but you can simply abandon it. See also WP:Retired. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:01, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Pickaxe2020 Since you created your account today, I assume you are referring to an article about yourself(Wikipedia does not have "profiles") and not your account. It would help to know who you are and/or the article involved in order to give you the best answer. 331dot (talk) 16:04, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Further information would be very helpful. While you did create an account today, might you have an older account to which you refer? If so, WP:RETIRE might help. If you have an old account and desire to begin anew, perhaps WP:CLEANSTART would be helpful.Hu Nhu (talk) 20:37, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

I think by "profile" the user is referring to an article, a common error as many consider Wikipedia no different than social media. 331dot (talk) 21:17, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

...and assume that said "profile" is theirs to edit or delete. --ColinFine (talk) 22:25, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Publication cost of an article published in EUROPEAN JOURNAL OF PHARMACOLOGY

Dear Editor

May I know the Publication cost of an article in your Journal.

Regards, Dr. Shoeb — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.91.25.38 (talk) 15:48, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

This is the Help Desk for Wikipedia, not for the journal you mention. Please communicate with them directly to make inquiries. 331dot (talk) 16:00, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Try their website:European Journal of Pharmacology Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:24, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Question.

So, was Jawico666 banned on Wikipedia? Or was it just Wikimedia Commons, because I happen to like know him uhh yeah. Jawico665 (talk) 20:21, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Special:CentralAuth/Jawico666 is blocked on Wikimedia Commons, but nowhere else. Victor Schmidt (talk) 21:42, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Okay, I was just curios about that have a nice day! Jawico665 (talk) 21:52, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Purely for information, Jawico665, Wikipedia bans are on a person, not merely an account, so if, hypothetically, an account holder banned on Wikimedia Commons was to create another account and edit on Commons with it (or if they did so as an IP), and if this was detected, that second account would also be banned and the person might be further sanctioned for sockpuppetry. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.193.130.191 (talk) 08:56, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

February 15

Previously Deleted Article

If an article was previously deleted at AfD should it be speedy deleted? I've heard people use the the phrase that a deletion should be "salted" in what I assume means to keep anyone from recreating the article. Is this one of these instances: The Overnightscape. TipsyElephant (talk) 02:19, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

We have a speedy deletion criterion for it (WP:G4), but it only applies if the article was deleted at AfD before and the new incarnation doesn't address the concerns that were raised in the AfD. I don't think a SALT is necessarily in the cards quite yet, but it's getting there. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 02:30, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Global block

I have used and edited Wikipedia for many years from IP address 2600:387:b:3::b1.

A message posted by someone says this IP address falls within the range of something called a “global block.”

There is wording within the message that begins “if you believe you were blocked by mistake,” but the words that follow this invitation are completely incomprehensible.

Is there any way to unblock IP address 2600:387:b:3::b1. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bigturtle (talk • contribs) 02:49, 15 February 2022 (UTC)