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	For all good articles promoted about Iranian History. Renato de carvalho ferreira (talk) 05:38, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks mate :). --HistoryofIran (talk) 18:30, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Arsaces I of Parthia

Is there a source for the content in the section "Name" of the article? And I bet the section itself may be further expanded. Σανμοσα^{The Trve Lawe of free Monarchies} 07:47, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

Can't remember. I do however recall there was stuff regarding the name in 'The Parthian and Early Sasanian Empires: Adaptation and Expansion' which I planned to add. --HistoryofIran (talk) 02:56, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Damghan

I came across the article Damghan, which is obviously very important in your line of expertise and I wonder if you'd cast your eye over it to see if there are glaring errors or improvements that can be made. I've cleared up some of the language which was written in tourist guide-speak and added a lot of links, but I'm a bit baffled by some of the various transliterations and unfamiliar names. Thanks, and keep up the good work! GPinkerton (talk) 23:39, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

Heya, I'm not much active nowadays unfortunately, and editing articles regarding cities/towns, especially ones that still exist nowadays doesn't really interest me. --HistoryofIran (talk) 02:57, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Ah OK, maybe if you come across the name in your research maybe you could just let me know. It was supposed to be a/the capital of the Parthian period and there are lots of important Seljuk-era tomb-tower and other Seljuk buildings, and a fire-temple so I though perhaps you'd know more. Thanks anyway! GPinkerton (talk) 03:22, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

IR net censorship

سلام. امیدوارم حالتان خوب باشد. در مقاله زیر که در سانسو ر_اینتر نت در جهان است بخشی با نام Shutdowns به کشور هایی که به قطع کردن اینتر نت دست زده اند پرداخته است. نام مقاله: Internet Censorship

در رابطه با قطع_اینتر نت در ایران فقط دو یا سه خط نوشته شده است.... برای گسترش چند خط در این باره بنویسید:

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روز خوبی داشته باشید Samira0808 (talk) 10:48, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Reliability of Sources

If the reliability of Leonie Freida(..long story..) is based on the cited usage of her work then Kaveh Farrokh's works should also be considered reliable sources.

• Iran at War:1500-1988. [1] cited by 62. Cited at least once by Princeton University.

• A Synopsis of Sasanian Military Organization and Combat Units. [2] cited by 6. Cited by Cambridge University Journal, Anatolian Studies.

• The Armies of Ancient Persia: The Sassanians. [3] cited by 9. Cite at least once by Oxford University.

• Shadows in the Desert: Ancient Persia at War. [4] cited by 172. Cited at least once by Edinburgh University Press.

• The Siege of Amida (359 CE). [5] cite by 2. Cited at least once by Historia i Świat.

Just to name a few. Hope things are going well for you. Stay safe. --Kansas Bear (talk) 22:51, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Your opinion

When you have time, could you read through Philip III of France and give your opinion if it is GA material? Thanks. --Kansas Bear (talk) 18:33, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Sure thing. --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:58, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

@Kansas Bear: I'd say it's good for GA, though my only small gripe is that the 'Treaty with Navarre' section has one line, I would either merge it with the 'Reign' section or expand it if possible. Maybe a more detailed description of his infobox image as well, if it's a contemporary illustration or not, or where it's from. Though these are only minor gripes at best, and many GA reviewers probably wouldn't mind. --HistoryofIran (talk) 01:29, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Awesome! Thank you very much! --Kansas Bear (talk) 01:37, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Cadusii

According to encyclopaedia iranica, cadusii were an iranian people, some other sources say they were non-iranian. non of these theories are proved, so you cant write they were neither iranian or non-iranian in the begining of an article!!! May you are probably judging history tendentiously??!! Arash2018m (talk) 21:30, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

None of the two (Iranica) citations refer the Cadusii as Iranian, and you didn't even bother to add a capital letter as if you were writing a Facebook message. Also, don't accuse me of nonsense, thanks. Last but not least: writing !!!!! or ???? or !!?!?!? doesn't make your message more valid. --HistoryofIran (talk) 21:51, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Bahram II

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İ don't understand

What is problem with you? Why are you reverting all my changes on English Wikipedia? Seymur06 (talk) 14:59, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

There is no problem with me, please maintain a proper tone. Why am I reverting you? Well read my edit summaries. --HistoryofIran (talk) 15:00, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

Talysh Khanate after Treaty of Gulistan

Hello, HistoryofIran. I'm trying to map the Caucasus after Treaty of Gulistan , but in all sources I find, it says something along the lines of "Northern parts of Talysh Khanate was given to Russia after Gulistan and the rest after Turkmenchay" and this is very vague and impossible to map. So, I wanted to ask you if you have any sources or information that talks in more detail about what territories of Talysh khanate was lost after Treaty of Gulistan. Any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks. — CuriousGolden (talk·contrib) 18:08, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

I've no idea, sorry. Perhaps {{subst:DNAU|Benyamin}} knows? --HistoryofIran (talk) 18:17, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi. Yes, I have. @CuriousGolden: Accidentally, I'm now working on the Talysh Khanate. The problem of Talysh borders is complicated. The Gulistan treaty was signed on the basis of the status quo ad presentem which meant that each side would remain in possession of territories under their control pending future negotiations (source). Since the situation in Talysh was still contested, specification of its borders was left for a subsequent commission, however it was not solved until 1860s.

This is a good map, which Mammadova 2007a used it. It shows the greatest extent of Talysh Khanate before the treaty of Gulistan. Out of eleven districts, at least, three coastal northern districts of this map (approximately the present-day districts of Masally and Lankaran) was ceded to Russia in 1813. The two western neighbors of these three, were not in a stable condition. I think we shall assume only the western parts of the present-day districts of Jalilabad and Lerik in Qajar hands. The other districts was under Qajar rule, until the next ruler of the Khanate regained all of the territory under the Iranian suzerainty on 1826.

Note that the Imperial/Soviet Russian sources are biased due the ethnic purges. They often named the Talysh Khanate as "Lankaran Khanate".

Benyamin (talk) 21:58, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Hey, thanks so much for replying! So, are you saying that after Gulistan, only modern-day territories of Masally District and Lankaran District were ceded to Russia and the rest (Yardymli District, Lerik District, Astara District and the adjacent provinces now in modern Iran) stayed under Qajar Iran's rule? — CuriousGolden (talk·contrib) 15:30, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

You're welcome. Yes, and this situation remained until August 1826, when the present-day districts of Masally and Lankaran were retook by Iran.

Benyamin (talk) 19:11, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Salam Bera man Talysh hastam az Azarbaijan, afsus farsi khob balad nistam vali az mikham ye suale beparsem. Hi bro i want information about Cadusii or Gelae tribes. I know Gelae was Scythian tribe and greek called him Cadusii, another authurs wrotten Gelae same scythian legae. Sometimes i see article in internet about connection Gelae tribe with caucasian albania. Can u creat new article abot Gelae tribe like Cadusii? as to me i think Cadusii(Gelae) was scythian tribe and was same Cimmerians or Sarmatians may be Aorsi. In english wikipedia have not information about Gelae if u can and I'll be happy. Роман Арабов (talk) 21:43, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

Maybe in the future, I don't really have any sources about them atm. --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:58, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

LissanX

Perhaps notifying Drmies would be more productive? Drmies blocked LissanX for personal attacks last time. --Kansas Bear (talk) 04:58, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

True, perhaps I was a bit too fast with my report. Thanks. --HistoryofIran (talk) 04:59, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, I've been at work. Leaving them an additional message and throwing their contributions into another tab. Ian.thomson (talk) 10:48, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

About the change in the Magi article

Hellp HistoryOfIran, may I ask why you deleted my example of language input from the Magi page? In my view it is very common to have a language list on such pages. I'd be happy to hear of you. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:RedurMaye

Hi. It's really irrelevant, and unsourced as well. This would be more relevant for the wiktionary. --HistoryofIran (talk) 18:22, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

Right. The wiktionary didn't come up to my mind. --RedurMaye (talk) 18:51, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

Battle of Samarra

Hey HoI, I am currently rewriting the Battle of Samarra and was curious if you know of any other sources pertaining to the battle, perhaps something with a Sasanian perspective? It could possibly be called something else, its the battle Emperor Julian was wounded. --Kansas Bear (talk) 22:35, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

@Kansas Bear: I don't have anything about the battle itself unfortunately, but I do have some stuff about the ideology/motives/aftermath during the whole Julian war, would that be of any help? It seems you already know about this source? War and Warfare in Late Antiquity --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:01, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

I may have used that book, but I will check. Actually, ideology/motives/aftermath would be excellent! Anything you have would be great! --Kansas Bear (talk) 23:11, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

@Kansas Bear: Arsacids and Sasanians (from page 361) Sasanian Interactions with Rome and Byzantium (page 847-849), On the Rationale behind the Roman Wars of Šābuhr II the Great Sasanian Persia: The Rise and Fall of an Empire (page 19-20) --HistoryofIran (talk) 01:20, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Awesome! Thanks. --Kansas Bear (talk) 01:56, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

About Hyrcania

In republic of Azerbaijan have very many names of Hyrcan , for example https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hirkan_National_Park

I think Cadusii or Gelae were related with Hrcanians , Cadusian king was Watafarna same maybe Hyrcanian names. Роман Арабов (talk) 20:05, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

What we think is irrelevant, we need sources for this. Either way, Hyrcania has nothing to do with the history of Talish, they are situated in two completely different places. --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:06, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Missing references in Hormizd II

The article cites "Daryaee 2009", "Brunner 2014", and "Wiesehöfer 2001" -- there are no such works in the bibliography. Can you please add? Renata (talk) 01:57, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

@Renata3: Ops, I've fixed it now. Thanks for letting me know! --HistoryofIran (talk) 02:08, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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	Thank you for your efforts to create and improve Iran's historical articles! از شما سپاس گزارم Editor7798 (talk) 01:29, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

Kheili mamnoon :). --HistoryofIran (talk) 01:33, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Shapur III

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Medes

Hi! I would recommend to self-revert this[6]. Why make them look better than they are? The more behavioral evidence is openly visible (as long it is not a personal attack; this one isn't, it's a display of ignorance), the sooner it will fall back on them. I've dead ignored them in all their bulliness: User talk:Austronesier#Kurds and Medes :) –Austronesier (talk) 14:33, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

See my new ANI discussion

It's about the brou-ha-ha at Talk:Medes. Doug Weller talk 08:13, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Hyspaosines

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hey

Instead of reverting my edit, maybe you should address me on the talk page first where i left a comment? And there is no citation for "80 Tajik" either. Akmal94 (talk) 21:04, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

Instead of changing the long established revision, maybe you should address this issue on the talk page and wait for consensus? HistoryofIran (talk)

I did reach out on the talk page but nobody responded so i went away and removed it myself. There was no citation for it either which was a green flag for me to go ahead and remove it. If i show you a source, will that be ok? Akmal94 (talk) 07:01, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

[7] That's not reaching out, that's complaining. You wrote that comment at 18:26, and edited the article at 18:30. So you waited 4 minutes, how do you expect to get a response in such short period and with that comment? Also, you didn't remove it, you changed it to something else. Yes, if you have a reliable source go ahead and change it. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:50, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

It was not complaining, it was me trying to address the obvious flaw with the number because it wasn't sourced. Second, you just reverted my edit on "Pashtuns" may i know the reason you believe it was "disruption?" I reverted the Genetic section because its a mess created by a user called "pashtunfacts." Akmal94 (talk) 05:10, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

Feel free to ask any other user here and they will give you the same answer as me. If that was you trying to address the situation, then please do it in a lighter manner next time. And no, you certainly didn't revert the genetic section, you do realize I can see what you removed and didn't? --HistoryofIran (talk) 11:05, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

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Mithridates map

Hey, can you elaborate on your critique of my map, so that I can fix it and add it back? The only mistake I noticed was the mixed positions of Elymais and Characene, but seems like you meant something else. --Go-Chlodio (talk) 22:21, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

The map is lacking provinces, atm it looks like provinces such as Parthia or Aria (which was around Herat, not Sistan) encompassed a vast amount of territory (or is that intentional?). Merv isn't in Bactria. I'm sorry, but the map isn't too pleasant to the eyes either. --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:00, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

They aren't meant to be provinces, just loose regions to depict conquest. I realize Merv was in Satrapy of Margiana, not Satrapy of Bactria; Western Bactria refers to the western portion of Greco-Bactrian Kingdom, even the article refers to his conquest as "Western Bactria". I'm sorry you don't like the art of my map, what would you change? I could add satellite image, it would enlarge the file size though. --Go-Chlodio (talk) 12:01, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

Well, it still looks like the whole purple region was part of Aria for example, or blue region being part of Fars, due to the depiction of Babylonia in yellow etc, that's deffo needs to be improved imo. Western Bactria is around Balkh. If I'm not mistaken the eastern borders under Mithridates I were the same as Mithridates II, perhaps this could be of help? [8] Perhaps you could make the borders more defined? --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:42, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

I'm not sure what exactly did you mean but I did some adjustments, I seriously doubt it was the same under Mithridates II, seem kinda unlikely. I don't really want to make the borders too detailed, because we can't be sure about exact borders. Go-Chlodio (talk) 01:05, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Well, both ruled as far as India and also ruled Western Bactria, doesn't seem unlikely to me. Also, we do have somewhat of an idea what the borders looked like, as I did base my map on sources. The eastern borders are still very inaccurate. Isfahan/Gabae was part of Media, not Persis (Persis was around this size [9]). Atropatene did not extend that much to the north, etc. Adiabene seems to have been conquered as well per Sophene, Gordyene, and Adiabene: Three Regna Minora of Northern Mesopotamia Between East and West and The Persian Empire: A Historical Encyclopedia [2 volumes]: A Historical Encyclopedia. --HistoryofIran (talk) 01:15, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Good observations, but in my map the conquest already spans to the Indus river, which is what the article says, I don't know about eastern conquest beyond that, if you do, please add it to the article.
So, according to The Persian Empire: A Historical Encyclopedia [2 volumes], the extend of the eastern border is disputed, thus I reckon it's worth representing. Do you have any issues with this? --Go-Chlodio (talk) 17:18, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Well, no, because it isn't disputed. If Mithridates ruled as far as India, that would be through Gedrosia and Arachosia as they're in the way. I lost of my Parthian sources not so long ago due to f'ing my computer up (including two maps), but I quickly found this; Later on, the land was under the control of the Seleucid Antiochus III, Demetrius of Bactria (seemingly the founder of Demetrias), and the Parthian king Mithridates I. The desert in Iran isn't that big, you might as well color over it too. Armenia was more or less this size [10] under Mithridates I too, so the northwestern borders need to be reduced. Regarding Adiabene (from the Sophene, Gordyene and Adiabene source, you can download it on Pdfdrive for free): It is not clear as to what the status of Adiabene was at that time. However, there can be no doubt that Adiabene was first conquered by Mithradates I in ca. 145–141 BCE. Also, is it possible to change the angle of the map back to normal? Other than that, this is a huge improvement. --HistoryofIran (talk) 01:58, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

Okay, I will give you Arachosia, but the dispute I mentioned seems to apply more to Gedrosia:
"Accordingly to classical sources, the conquest of the Arscadid monarch brought Parthian armies to the mouth of the Indus River in Sind in present-day Pakistan, while at least one scholar has expressed serious doubt that the power of Mithridates extended so far into the kingdom of the Greco-Bactrian kings"
Regarding desert, I have reduced it and added labels for Great Salt Desert, Lut Desert, Sagartia, and Kharan desert. It's my preference that terra nullius wouldn't be depicted as conquered, I believe it gives a better geopolitical understanding. I couldn't find any cities from those regions, so I don't see their depiction as sensible. Regarding Sagartia, far as I know don't have much information about it; it seems to have ruled by nomads at some point, but there is no confirm that Mithridates had authority there.
And sure, I'll change the angle back.
How's this?--Go-Chlodio (talk) 17:50, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

Hatra should be removed, as it was insignificant during that time, if it even existed. Nishapur, Shiragan and Siraf are Sasanian foundations, so they should be removed as well. Babylon and Seleucia were neighbouring cities, so they need to be moved together. Arshak = Assak, Alexandria Aria = Aria, Merv = Marw. Europos = Rhages, or Arsacia (Rhages). Isfahan = Gabae. Balkh = Bactra. Darreh Shahr is a modern name, needs to be renamed to what it was known as or removed (I was thinking about adding as well on my maps, but couldnt find anything regarding its Parthian period). Not sure what Aran is? Slight typo at Nisibis. I've never heard of Sagartia during that time, do you have any source(s) about it? Otherwise looking pretty sweet! --HistoryofIran (talk) 11:41, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Sagartia: From this, we can deduce that they must have lived somewhere east or northeast of the Persians, and the oasis of Yazd is a good guess. --Go-Chlodio (talk) 00:50, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

I'm not sure what this has to do with the Parthians? It's just information where they lived under the Achaemenids. Either way, Livius is not WP:RS. Or are the very least of very low quality. We have much better sources than that. --HistoryofIran (talk) 01:04, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

It's just a geographic region, not an actual nation, by this time the Sagartians had migrated to the Urals. There is no evidence that nobody lived in Yazd region at this point, but I could rename the label or remove it. Also why isn't Livious a reliable source? It's written by a historian, no?--Go-Chlodio (talk) 10:37, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

I think it's safe to say that Iran was conquered by Mithridates I, there's no source that states otherwise, i.e. Sagartia was independent or something like that. An amateur historian yes, his work is not cited anywhere in the academic circles as far as I know. --HistoryofIran (talk) 10:59, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

Many of these maps make the mistake of depicting every exclave as conquered which doesn't respond to reality. Even if he conquered all of Iran, I wouldn't still color it because I don't want color wasteland for the reason I have already stated, I there is no reason to believe it was a wasteland at this time, unless you can a name city in that region that existed at this point in time.
How is he an amateur historian? He has a master of art degree in history.--Go-Chlodio (talk) 11:36, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

Not sure I understand, we still talking about Sagartia? If Sagartia wasn't a wasteland, then why not color it? Besides, Sagartia (which certainly wasn't a thing under the Parthians) was more east than what it is currently placed now. --HistoryofIran (talk) 12:05, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

Yes. There is no evidence it wasn't a wasteland. Sagartians were nomads and we don't know that they or anybody else lived there at this time. Even if they did, there is no evidence that Mithridates had any power over them, even if he dominated the surrounding area.--Go-Chlodio (talk) 02:04, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Why would it be a wasteland? --HistoryofIran (talk) 02:08, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Why would it not be? There are no know cities there during that time. Yazd Province is mostly a desert minus the oasis.--Go-Chlodio (talk) 01:07, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Sorry but that's just assuming. There are two deserts in Iran, which you already have covered. There are generally not many known cities in the Parthian realm. Btw, perhaps this excellent well sourced map might be of help for the desert(s). [11]. --HistoryofIran (talk) 01:08, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

It is as assuming as to assume it wasn't a wasteland. Most of Yazd province is covered by those deserts. The 11th-century map doesn't really help, considering all those cities within Yazd province would have been founded centuries later.--Go-Chlodio (talk) 12:58, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

I rest my case (I can't view all of the book so here are some bits);

"Gaius Plinius Secundus (Pliny the Elder, d. 79 CE), in his Natural History, mentioned a town of the Parthian period called Issatis, which would seem to correspond with the tribal name of the Asagarta/Istachae/Sagartians"

"The Tabula notes a Parthian way station called Cetrora (perhaps derived from chora), along a road heading easterward from Hamadan. THe place name Cetrora has been compared with an Islamic era toponym Kata/(Kata/Kasa, meaning 'hollow' and hence 'valley' from Old Iranian and Avestan kata-, 'enclosure', for Yazd. Indeed, much later, the fourth/tenth century Muslim geographer al-Istahri mentioned Kata as the hawma ('main urban area') of Yazd in his Kitab al-Masalik wa'l-Mamalik, 'Book of Routes and Countries', while placing the city and its hinterland within the Kirman administratiove province. But it is unclear whether the Yazd area fell within the south-western-most part of Parthia (Parthua, Paraetacene, Parthyene) sahr or rather the northwestern-most part of Kirman (Karmania) sahr, during the reigns of the Parthian kings. It could have ben reassigned from Parthia to Kirman, an administrative shift which would explain the divergence in provicinial allocation between the Strabo's (d. post 21 CE) account in his first century Geography, and Ptomely's subsequent account in the second century Geography."

"Despite the failure to appear in extant pre-Islamic Iranian documents, the area of Yazd did not remain a backwater."

--HistoryofIran (talk) 13:19, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Okay, then. Now everything is good? Map. --Go-Chlodio (talk) 11:40, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Sagartia needs to be removed, as its ancient area would have been part of other provinces during that time. The provinces of Carmania and Drangiana also need to be added. Ctesiphon and Nisa are missing, arguably some of the most important Parthian royal cities of that time, especially the latter, which is atm outside Parthian territory in the map. Gedorosia -> Gedrosia. I think that's about it. Map is looking very good! --HistoryofIran (talk) 12:40, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

The final. I also gave you credit for your help on Wikimedia.--Go-Chlodio (talk) 15:51, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Mithridates I of Parthia

Hi HistoryofIran, I hope this message finds you well. I was going through some harv ref errors and found one on Mithridates I of Parthia, where ref 45 refers to the (presumably) incorrect publication. Of course normally I would simply change the year myself but in the case of this article I would be unsure wether the 2012 ref is for the 2013 or the 2010 (or maybe 2018?) publication. Clarification here would be much appreciated. Best - Aza24 (talk) 05:25, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

@Aza24: I've fixed it by changing the authors name - thanks for notifying me. Btw, how do you how find harv errors? Is there a certain program? I think I need to start using it. --HistoryofIran (talk) 10:32, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Ah and of course the answer was to fix the name and not the year... good thing I asked! As for harv refs, I use this script: User:Svick/HarvErrors.js that you can paste into your js page. It's fairly useful, the only annoyance is that when you "show preview" for a single section it will say that every ref has a harv error since the sfns aren't linking with the sources in later sections, but I don't find that a huge deal. Also, I have to add that I've been familiar with and have admired your work for a while now – especially to Arsaces I of Parthia, an especially valuable contribution. Aza24 (talk) 17:21, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, it will deffo be of use. And why thank you! I feel honored. --HistoryofIran (talk) 03:05, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

Mentioned at WP:AN3

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Sophene

What do you think about these changes?[12] - LouisAragon (talk) 02:05, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

Tbf I think by 'native', the user meant native language of the population and not dynasty. But yeah I think it looks good. --HistoryofIran (talk) 02:08, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

Yeah I figured. But I think the word "native" is somewhat misleading for such mixed kingdoms like Sophene (or Osroene, for example). If you've got time to further expand the article (esp. about culture/language), then please, be my guest. Awesome output as usual mate. - LouisAragon (talk) 02:11, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

Also this:[13]-[14] - LouisAragon (talk) 23:10, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

Kashmar

Hello, I hope you remember me I do not speak English well But I like to have activities on the English wik, I made extensive edits to the Kashmar article And I like this article to be good Can you help me brother?

Fire Temple of Kashmar

And brother, I feel that Wikipedia needs such an article and I can not create an article Can you help, please read here. Thank you very much brother M.k.m2003 (talk) 12:51, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Well I would like to, but I can't find any (English) source on a so-called Fire Temple of Kashmar. I do however know of a Cypress of Kashmar. I can't read the Persian script, so I can't use Persian sources. --HistoryofIran (talk) 12:55, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Oh Yes, I think we should be carefree! But can you help me with the Kashmar article? M.k.m2003 (talk) 13:02, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

I don't have any sources about the city either, and I'm not really too big on editing city articles, especially ones that still exist. Maybe in the future. However, I can help you with the flow of the article if that helps. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:06, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Thank you :) M.k.m2003 (talk) 13:11, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

I need help

Can u help with this article https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gelae_(Scythian_tribe) and add new information? Роман Арабов (talk) 22:48, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

No, I already told you that those sources you used were not WP:RS, the same applies here. There's no such thing as a 'Gelae Scythian tribe', and thus I can't help. --HistoryofIran (talk) 22:51, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan

Have you looked at the recent edits on Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan by Keywan faramarzi? If so, would you say that Keywan faramarzi's edits are ok? Vif12vf/Tiberius (talk) 23:37, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

@Vif12vf: I removed it from my watchlist, as I got tired of him and his colleagues spamming the article. But i doubt it - looking at the article, there are three (new) citations on the lede on the part which refers them as communists, but for some reason Keywan is trying to push a social democracy narrative, whether it's somewhat true or not. Not to mention he has already made it clear that he is affiliated with the party, that and his edit warring makes it a bit hard to have good faith in him. Wasn't he told to take his concerns to the talk page? He doesn't seem to have done that. --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:57, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

Evidently not, so i might remove it right away. Vif12vf/Tiberius (talk) 00:28, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Oh, apparently User:LouisAragon has already reverted it! Vif12vf/Tiberius (talk) 00:29, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Freedom of the press in Iran

Hello. Almost every country have "freedom of the press" article... but we can't found freedom of the press in Iran article. Please create one about Iran. Thanks. Hamid00087 (talk) 12:12, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Sorry but I can't write about something that doesn't exist in Iran. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:51, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Peroz I

Hello my friend; Do you have time to improve the article Peroz I?! If this article becomes GA, it will be a great achievement. Thanks Editor7798 (talk) 10:00, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi. Yes, I do plan to make it GA in the future. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:07, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

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Peroz I

Should WP Armenia, Georgia, Central Asia and Caucasia be added to Peroz I or would you say its irrelevant? - LouisAragon (talk) 21:47, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

@LouisAragon: I would say they're pretty relevant. --HistoryofIran (talk) 22:55, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Done, thanks. Please do add additional WP's to articles about Sasanian rulers if you think any are missing. - LouisAragon (talk) 09:36, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

[15]-[16] - LouisAragon (talk) 03:22, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

@LouisAragon: I've looked at the source and its author, not sure what to think tbh. --HistoryofIran (talk) 03:27, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Yeah thats what I thought as well. - LouisAragon (talk) 12:44, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

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Karka d-Ledan

Hello, I was meaning to translate this article but I didn't but is the exact term of it in Farsi, would you please elobrate ? Mardetanha (talk) 20:02, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi. I'm not sure I understand. The name is of Aramaic origin. --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:04, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

I am not sure if you have Persian keyboard or not, but I wonder how is it written in Farsi Mardetanha (talk) 21:00, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Oooh, I don't know sorry. --HistoryofIran (talk) 21:02, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

I did some research and I came up with this, I assume this should be the name of the city, correct me if I am wrong Mardetanha (talk) 21:08, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Yes it seems. --HistoryofIran (talk) 21:39, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

hmm, I have created the article but now I found this, I am not sure if they same thing or not Mardetanha (talk) 22:42, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

It seems to be per The Archaeology of Elam: Formation and Transformation of an Ancient Iranian State, page 425 This is the Karka d’Ledan of the Nestorian sources, a city long identified with the site of Ivan-e Kerkha, c. 17 km northwest of Susa --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:02, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, I just saw the talk page of the article and it seems it is really confusing, I have asked a friend who is PhD student at the University of Tehran on Iranian history to take a look and probably help, though you are also an expert on the subject, Thanks for your time Mardetanha (talk) 23:08, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

It is confusing indeed, Karkha/Karka/Karkheh was a typical Aramaic city name and thus we have lots of ancient cities with that name. Feel free to ask if there is anything else. --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:10, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks and sure Mardetanha (talk) 23:13, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

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I need your help bro

Hi bro, can u help me with this article ? I cann not to write because i have nom many sources. If you help me I will be glad. Thank u broFaradzhoffEma (talk) 22:39, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

No sorry, this is not my field of expertise. --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:25, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

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EI2

I have all EI2 volumes on my pc. I can send all of them if you need. - LouisAragon (talk) 15:59, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

@LouisAragon: I would greatly appreciate that :o --HistoryofIran (talk) 16:00, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

For some reason I can't send it as a Cloud file nor through Dropbox, even though I've done so before. I hope Cplakidas can help us out. Sorry for the nuisance, Kostas. - LouisAragon (talk) 17:19, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi to both. I've emailed a link to HistoryofIran. No worries, LouisAragon. Constantine ✍ 07:04, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Just so you know

See here. --Kansas Bear (talk) 20:00, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Sabuktigin

Hello HistoryofIran! Could you please help me with a thing? I started translating Sabuktigin to wiki.pt. and the article says Sabuktigin was son of Qara Bajkam, but the source provided does not show the information to check. On the other hand, this book citing a primary source says he was fon of Juq ibn Qara Bajkam, not Qara Bajkam, who was his grandfather if we follow the genealogy. Any idea?--Renato de carvalho ferreira (talk) 18:30, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

@Renato de carvalho ferreira: Hi. The source used in English version does not seem very WP:RS imho (including many others), so I guess you're better of using that source. Otherwise than his role in the Samanid state I really don't know much else about Sabuktigin tbh, so unfortunately I don't think I can be of much help. --HistoryofIran (talk) 02:25, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Missing cite in Peroz I

The article cites "Martindale 1980" but no such source is listed in the bibliography. It also cites "Payne 2015" but unclear if it's "Payne 2015a" or "Payne 2015b". Can you please fix? Also, suggest installing a script to highlight such errors in the future. All you need to do is copy and paste importScript('User:Svick/HarvErrors.js'); // Backlink: [[User:Svick/HarvErrors.js]] to your common.js page. Thanks, Renata (talk) 03:31, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks! --HistoryofIran (talk) 08:02, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Abd al-Malik I (Samanid emir)

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Khalji dynasty

Hi i see that you reverted my edit and possibly left a comment but can you explain what part of my edit was unsourced ? Is my edit unsourced? Can you please explain the revert as it is unjustified and i am not using any other account. Kami2018 (talk) 04:02, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

You added unsourced info (But the distance between the Amu Darya and the Talas is such as it would have been impossible for the tribes living beyond the Amu Darya to use the Talas pastures as winter quarters, leading to the conclusion that the text has been corrupted somehow or that some Khalaj still lived near the Khallukh at the time.), altered sourced info (They were ethnic turks but they were wrongly treated is your own words) --HistoryofIran (talk) 09:48, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

The first part was not my edit rather was part of the article before and i have no issue in removing that. But the second part is clearly mentioned in the sources below and i dont see anywhere it to be mentioned like this "They were treated entirely as Afghans by the Turkic nobles of the Delhi Sultanate during the reign of the Khalji Sultanate." Also if you look at the entire origin section which you reverted is clearly mentioned in the sources. I would appreciate if you could at least correct the article according to the references. Thankyou Kami2018 (talk) 22:43, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Meh, seems legit. It seems I am in the wrong here - sorry for accusing of you pov-pushing and indicating that you were possibly a sock (doing my research now, you've clearly been here for some time), been reverting too much disruption recently so I'm a bit too trigger happy on the words (which is obviously not a good excuse). Thanks for being the professional one here, feel free to add the sourced bit back (I would do it myself, but I'm afraid I might f it up, since I'm not too familiar with the article). --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:33, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Sami Yusuf

What you said on my talk page about the IP editing is exactly the way I saw it, but in this kind of situation I like to write in an AGF kind of way to the editor in question. As for the new account you mention, I think it's so near to certain that it's the same person that we can assume it is. I've posted a couple of warnings to that editor's talk page. I suggest that in this kind of situation you might post messages to the relevant talk page (IP talk page or account's talk page). There are several advantages in doing so, including the following. (1) There is just a chance that it might lead the editor to stop. (2) If the editor doesn't stop, it's much easier for an administrator to take action if the editor has had adequate warnings; otherwise it is likely that the process will begin with the first warning at a time when we might instead have already gone past that stage and moved on to other steps. As far as this case is concerned, if you see any more problematic editing from the same person (whether by an account or by IP editing) please feel very welcome to let me know, and I'll consider whether anything needs to be done. JBW (talk) 21:02, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Yeah good idea. I've been here for almost a decade and still haven't properly bothered to post these kind of messages, that really needs to change. First question that comes to mind - where can I find these kind of messages? The one you just added in the talk page of the user for example, I assume I can find it on some guideline page? --HistoryofIran (talk) 21:08, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

OK, here's some information about the warning template messages. You may already know some of this; if so just ignore it.

The first important point is that you don't have to use the standard messages. I very often write my own messages, because they can be made more appropriate for the particular situation. Of course the disadvantage of that is that it takes longer to write, and so quite often if I think one of the standard ones is good enough then I use one of those. However, in my experience very often new editors get warning messages which really don't tell them what is the problem with their editing, because an editor just posts a generic message saying something vague such as that their editing "did not appear constructive", and while in many cases it must be obvious what the problem was, at other times a new editor may honestly not know what the objection is. With the best will in the world they can't stop doing whatever is wrong if they don't know what it is that's wrong. For that reason I do urge you to consider whether one of the standard templated messages is good enough or not, rather than just blindly using them.

To answer your question, the standard user page warnings are all listed at Wikipedia:Template index/User talk namespace. Unfortunately there is a huge number of them, making it difficult to find the one you want. If you use them at all often you will fairly soon learn the ones that you use most, so you don't have to keep looking for them, but you may like to have a user space page with a short list of the few that you think you are most likely to use.

Many (though not all) of the messages come in several different levels, from level one to level four. Don't make the mistake that many editors make of thinking that there's some sort of rule that says you have to start with a level one warning, and then follow with level two, and so on. In fact I almost never use level one warnings at all.

If you don't have much experience of using the warning templates it may help if I illustrate how to use the templates. Taking for example the level two vandalism template, Template:vandalism2, the most basic use is to post {{subst:vandalism2}} on the user's talk page, but if you want to add a mention of the page where the vandalism took place you can add a vertical bar followed by the title of the page, and if you want to add your own message in place of the default "Thank you" at the end of the message you can add a second vertical bar and then your message. Personally I find "Thank you" at the end of a warning about vandalism silly, so I like to over-ride that. Also most often I don't bother with linking to the page that's been vandalised, as if there's only one then it's obvious which it is, and if there's more than one then I don't want to single out just one for mention. Consequently I most often use something like {{subst:vandalism2||~~~~}} which puts no link to a vandalised page, and my signature, with no "thank you". Obviously that's just my own preference, and you will decide for yourself how to use the templates.

Well, there you are. As I said, you may already know some of that, and if so ignore it. Some of it you may not know but also not find helpful; ignore that too. I hope at least some of it will be helpful to you, though. JBW (talk) 22:28, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Many thanks for this very helpful message! Appreciate it. --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:53, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

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	★✪☆Thanks for everything.☆✪★ I can only say that!!! . Good luck to you...🌟🖤 Waltex40 (talk) 08:50, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank you :). --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:42, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

ANI

It may soon be time for an ANI if the forum shopping continues.Slatersteven (talk) 17:36, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

True that. --HistoryofIran (talk) 17:40, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

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Whyyyyyyy!

• Safavid dynasty (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Why did you remove my arrangement EVERYTİME? do you have a reason? or are you a 12-year-old ultranationalist Persian? Firatlal (talk) 22:10, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

Actually, I did state in my edit summary why. @EdJohnston:, I don't think this user is here to WP:BUILDWP.

Some other examples besides the praise I've just received here;

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--HistoryofIran (talk) 22:32, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

I left a note for the editor. EdJohnston (talk) 04:54, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Bahram IV

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Hi HistoryofIran, in case you missed it on your watchlist I have carried out a second review of this article, putting it on hold. Best, CMD (talk) 18:24, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

@Chipmunkdavis: Thanks! I will try to address the issues as quickly as possible. --HistoryofIran (talk) 18:26, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

Caucasian crosses nominated for deletion

The Albanian Crosses article has been nominated for deletion. Could you please elaborate here [[24]]? --Addictedtohistory (talk) 08:55, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

A request

Hey! What's up? I want to promote some articles related to the Caucasian Albania to GA. I've worked on history-related articles in AzWiki, but I'm bit inexperienced on working on such stuff from zero, as I mostly translated GA and FAs from English Wikipedia. Is there any recommendations you can give? I currently only have access to Baku-based sources, but I don't want to cite them for obvious reasons. --► Sincerely: SolaVirum 15:47, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

@Solavirum: Atm I possess the following sources about Caucasian Albania:

• From Caucasian Albania to Arran (300 BC - AD 1300) (which includes the section "The Chronology of the Arsacid Albanians" which I've used quite a lot for the Albanian rulers)
• Caucasian Albanian and the Question of Language and Ethnicity
• Construction Activities of Kavād I in Caucasian Albania
• Non-Muslim Provinces under Early Islam (not focused on Albania like the sources above but it does get mentioned quite a lot)
• INTRODUCTION TO CHRISTIAN CAUCASIAN HISTORY: II: States and Dynasties of the Formative Period by the one and only Cyril Toumanoff. This is just generally about the Caucasus in the antiquity really. Although this work is a gem, do beware that it contains some outdated info (not that major if I recall, but still good to know, I will help you with that if necessary) and it uses Latin rather than the native terms for many regions. So if you're wondering what the heck 'Otene' is, well that's just Utik. Gogarene = Gugark, and so on.

I've mailed you, if you respond back I will be avaliable to include these files in my next mail to you. Since this is an area I edit in I should be able to help you with other stuff here and there, so feel free to ask. I will most likely see it through my watchlist as well.

There is of course always these two Iranica articles [25] [26] by Chaumont and Bosworth respectively, although I'm not sure if they're outdated in some areas, and if so, how much (the conversation of Urnayr for example, seems rather unlikely).

--HistoryofIran (talk) 16:59, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Cheers! I might start working on the language when I've got time. I'm thinking to work on this topic with a friend who's better at these stuff. I know you as an editor who's got lots of experience in this area, so, if anything bothers you with our additions, feel free to discuss. Also, thank you for the sources. --► Sincerely: SolaVirum 17:11, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

2009 paper by Garnik Asatrian

This gem deals with every part of pseudo-history in relation to unsubstantiated/unsourced/irredentist Kurdish claims. From refuting the claims wherein the Sasanians, Madig, Mithraic mysteries and Medes are represented as Kurds by pseudo-historians and drive-by IPs/accounts, to debunking claims wherein the mutinies of Simko Shikak and Sheykh Ubaydallah are presented as cases of "Kurdish nationalism", to irredentist claims of a Kurdistan covering half of Syria, Iran, Turkey, Iraq and even Transcaucasia. It also provides a thorough outline of when the word "Kurd" actually started to refer to the Kurds. @Kansas Bear:, @Wario-Man: @Attar-Aram syria: @Beshogur: @عمرو بن كلثوم: You all might be interested in adding this material to your archives. - LouisAragon (talk) 17:27, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Many thanks LouisAragon. Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 17:47, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

LouisAragon You may be interested in seeing Talk:Syrian Kurdistan. The is a discussion just about that rn. Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 17:53, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Merry Christmas HistoryofIran!

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	Merry Christmas HistoryofIran!! Wishing you a Happy Holiday Season, and a beautiful and productive New Year! पाटलिपुत्र Pat (talk) 16:22, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Thank you mate, and likewise :D. --HistoryofIran (talk) 16:28, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

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Courtesy notice of mention at AN

Hi HistoryofIran. You/your editing hasn't been brought up, but a link to a post another editor made to your talk page is listed at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Kurds (search for your username on the page), which is being discussed at WP:AN#Advice re: would we need a new admin?. Since it's your talk page, I thought you should be informed. Levivich ^harass/_hound 17:49, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Asking for advice

Hello fellow Wikipedian. This more of a personal request and not an editorial issue. I am taking a holidays break and have decided to read about Iran and Ancient Persia. I have come to you as you are the most knowledgeable and hardworking Wikipedian that I know off in this topic. Can you suggest me some interesting articles or some good starting point from where I can continue into the Wikilinks? Thank you in advance, have a nice day. - Kevo327 (talk) 09:43, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

@Kevo327: Hi Kevo, I am very honored to hear that. Honestly, I wouldn't recommend anywhere on Wikipedia to start reading into Iran-related stuff, as they are still very messy. Well, maybe with the except of one, that is Parthian-related stuff, as the Parthian Empire article is FA and I've expanded most of the Parthian kings articles. I'm assuming you will be mostly interested in pre-Islamic Iran? I do have tons of sources about them, and also about Armenia and the Caucasus and how they all interacted in that period. How about I send you some sources about them? --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:50, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

@HistoryofIran: Please do, I would greatly appreciate it. As for the state of the Wikipedia articles, with enough time and devoted editors such as yourself, I'm sure that the Irani topics and history will be well represented and get all the appreciation they truly deserve. - Kevo327 (talk) 23:37, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

@Kevo327: I can't mail you, as you've not enabled the function. Perhaps you can write your mail here so I can send it to you? --HistoryofIran (talk) 15:07, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

@HistoryofIran: I've just enabled it after reading your message, please try again. - Kevo327 (talk) 15:11, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Overnight many kilometers..

... were added without supplying sources. Nor was it mentioned in the edit summary.[27] - LouisAragon (talk) 23:52, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Map of Caucasian Albania

Caucasian Albania in 5th and 6th centurires

Hi, I wanted to create a proper map of Caucasian Albania (similar to how I did in Atropatene) since the currently used map's primary focus isn't on Albania itself, but a rather general view on Armenian Highlands. Do you suggest I follow the borders used in this file or are there any maps you can suggest me? Cheers. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 12:56, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

@CuriousGolden: I mean there is also [28], but either should do I guess. Fortunately there is plenty to choose from [29]. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:30, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Would you say this works? — CuriousGolden (T·C) 13:38, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

@CuriousGolden: I mean it depends on how detailed you want the map. If you want to add many districts/provinces/cities then you might want to find a bigger map. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:40, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

All of the maps have very different borders, so I don't know which to choose. There's this map from armenica.org and this one by Samuel Butler and this old map. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 13:49, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

@CuriousGolden: In what era do you want to portray the map? I do have a unfinished detailed map of the Caucasus in the 5th and 6th-centuries, which includes Albania, would that perhaps be of help? --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:53, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

I'd rather it be in its greatest extent. Don't know much about ancient history, so not sure if 5th-6th were close to Albania's golden times, but it'd probably help regardless. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 13:58, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

@CuriousGolden: If I'm not mistaken it was more or less the same size after 387. The uncertain part is if Derbent and surroundings was ever part of it politically, at least in the pre-Islamic era. Reply to me mail so I can send the map. --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:16, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Done. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 14:20, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

@CuriousGolden: Sent! --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:32, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your help! I'll try to recreate the Albania on your map with the style of the Atropatene map. Cheers. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 14:34, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

@CuriousGolden: Yw, I will look into the Derbent/Chol issue later, see if I can figure it out. HistoryofIran (talk)

Hello again! I've finished the map. Could you please tell me what you think about it and point out any possible mistakes in the map? — CuriousGolden (T·C) 18:30, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

@CuriousGolden: I think so. --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:20, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

I feel like there are too many cities and they've become a little cluttered. Do you think so too? And if so, which ones do you recommend I should delete? — CuriousGolden (T·C) 19:27, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

I've moved some city/country/region names around to make it look less cluttered. I'll open a discussion about the new map in Caucasian Albania now. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 19:57, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

@CuriousGolden: I see you changed your comment, so I'm not sure how helpful this comment will be, I'll still post it just in case; Imho I think it looks good, it's good to have a detailed map of a pretty obscure region, so we have an overview of how it looked. Imho if you started removing cities it would just make those areas of Albania look deserted. Also, with more cities, it means we can make more use of the map, such as adding it to articles of the cities. --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:59, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Oh, I thought when you said "I think so", you were just agreeing that it looked good, didn't expect more comment. Sorry, lol. And I haven't removed any cities, so your comment is still helpful. My biggest concern was with cities in Iberia, since there seems to a much larger concentration of cities in that region than any other part of the map. Also, aside from this, do you know what I should name the place north of Albania or if there are any cities there, because it looks really empty right now. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 20:02, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

@CuriousGolden: Nvm, it's just me that need some sleep. I read a good chunk of your comments wrong. You didn't change any comment either, u just wrote a new one. To avoid confusion; I think the map looks great and it should be on the infobox of Albania, hehe. Personally the sight of Iberia doesn't really bother me - I will try to see if I can find more cities in Albania. --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:07, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your help! — CuriousGolden (T·C) 20:10, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

@CuriousGolden: I think I milked the cow as much as I could, I can't find more cities. Perhaps the explanation (besides the obvious "we dont know") of the lack of cities in the north would be that it wasn't that fun/smart to have much life going on there, as Derbent was specifically made to block the constant nomadic incursions? Perhaps geographical challenges played a role as well? Do you know of any special cities up there in present-day Azerbaijan? Perhaps we could try to do some research about them, see if any date back to the Albanian period. That's what I usually do when I have a hard time finding cities/towns in a certain place. --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:20, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

The white space above Albania would be modern Russia, but the empty part of Caucasian Albania in the north-east currently includes the modern cities of Quba and Qusar of Azerbaijan. I'm pretty sure Quba is a fairly old city. In the white space, which would now be Russia, the only old village I know is Akhty. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 20:30, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

@CuriousGolden: What I've found so far, will keep you updated I find more, will see if I can find something about Quba and the others;

"The early history of Baku is obscure, though the locality seems to be mentioned in Antiquity (cf. J. Marquart, Erannšahr, 97). It is perhaps to be identifed with the Gangara or Gaetara of Ptolemy (Geographia, ed. C. Müller, i/2, 929)." - Historic cities of the Islamic world, p. 47 --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:40, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Gerhard Doerfer

Removed because "The Turkologist" sound a bit weird and his profession being mentioned in his article. Perhaps remove the "the" only. Beshogur (talk) 16:41, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Not sure why it sounds weird, we need to introduce the person somehow. Eh, sure, go ahead. --HistoryofIran (talk) 16:43, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Jalal-ud-din_Khalji

The source calls it Ramazan, not Ramadan.आज़ादी (talk) 18:48, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

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I added Hyderabad State into page of Template: Karnataka History due to she ruled Gulbarga division of Karnataka. This region was also known as Hyderabad-Karnataka. However, you reverted this addition. Why ? Please, you stop making mistake about this fact and add her into Karnataka History.Cemsentin1 (talk) 22:55, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

I don't even recall editing this, feel free to add it back. --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:01, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

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Whether to create sanctions that might apply to the topic of the Kurds

Hello HistoryofIran. I see you as engaged in a lonely struggle to keep Safavid Dynasty in line with the available sources. At this moment it seems that Arbcom is considering whether to make the topic of the Kurds subject to discretionary sanctions. Is this something that might have value generally, at least for the topics you work on? Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 16:37, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

There is some reading matter at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#Syrian Kurdistan. See especially the arbiter comments at the end. The type of issue that you run into in your daily work is, I think, not so much the current wars on the ground but more of a traditional nationalist edit warring. That is, where members of various groups show up on Wikipedia and try to claim credit for their side, whenever there has been a famous person or kingdom whose precise ethnic affiliation is not clear. This is the kind of thing that used to happen in the domain of WP:ARBEE, where the availability of sanctions was beneficial. EdJohnston (talk) 18:05, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Well, imo as a whole I don't think that the topic of Kurds need to have sanctions, but there are definitely certain sections that need more order, such as the Safavids and (seemingly) Syrian Kurdistan. I'm just honestly tired of constantly being at odds with brand new IPs and users who tend to push ethno-nationalistic Turkic pov. Turkic history and heritage is so rich yet articles like Safavids, Scythians etc are the constant focus. Imagine if all that energy went somewhere else, to actually help improve the quality of articles. Obviously this is no attempt to undervalue users of Turkic background, as we do thankfully have many great users who do help a ton here in Wikipedia, but I sure wish there were more of these. As I say this, this happens [30]. --HistoryofIran (talk) 18:58, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Can you think of the wording of a sanction that would cover the Safavids? I could imagine a sanction that had the word 'Turkic' in it but that would risk being too broad. How about 'Disputes about ethnic identity in Central Asia'? EdJohnston (talk) 20:05, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Erh, would 'Disputes about ethnic identity in Western and Central Asia' work? Safavid history doesn't really belong to Central Asia. --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:49, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

How would you word something that includes Iran, and includes the largest extent of Arab control in the Middle Ages, as well as of Turks or Turkic peoples, and of Persians. So it would cover everything that could be disputed Turk/Arab/Persian in Wikipedia? EdJohnston (talk) 21:49, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Perhaps 'Disputes about ethnic identity in the Islamic world'? --HistoryofIran (talk) 21:53, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

That could be the best. The wording would also catch Southeast Asia but that shouldn't be a large problem. We don't care if the sanctions extend into South Asia because that area already has WP:ARBIPA. EdJohnston (talk) 21:58, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Reverting without concensus

My apologies, but it was you who started reverting my edits. Please discuss it in the talk page before reverting any edits. You can argue my comment in the talk page of Caucasus.KHE'O (talk) 18:43, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

@Kheo17: That's not how the guildelines work, it is you who is removing something, thus is it you who has to discuss it on the talk page, not me. --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:09, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

It was not something to discuss in the talk page, not all edits need to be discussed in the talk pages. It is just a fact one-click away from you. Please discuss it under the talk page now. I will wait for your arguments for a week as per the rule of thumb for closure suggested by Wikipedia. Thanks. --KHE'O (talk) 19:15, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

It was at that moment you got reverted. There's fortunately nothing to discuss, feel free to revert. --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:19, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Anniversary

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	Thanks for all your work for the encyclopaedia; it's twenty years old today! GPinkerton (talk) 19:44, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

@GPinkerton: Thank you and likewise :) That's a lotta years ^^. --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:48, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

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	BTW, I think you're an essential contributor to the project, and you've also been a great model editor to follow. I'll keep away from controversial articles for a while, so if you need help working on anything more history-oriented let me know. :-) Stefka Bulgaria (talk) 18:53, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you Stefka, honored to hear it from a user who is quite essential himself :) And sure thing! --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:01, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

I taught talking the truth will not hurt anybody.

Why did you erase the truth and even when you get back the page to what it was the reader will not understand the true reason for the Sassanid invasion of yemen Hussen Homeritae (talk) 23:10, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, but your English was broken (u didnt even use capital letters) and u added information which wasn't cited with sources, thus u got reverted. --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:14, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Quick Question

Hello, just a quick question as to why you reverted my most recent edit? I am new here and I would be grateful if you could briefly let me know. Thanks.

Because they weren't of Azeri origin, please read each respective article, and also the guidelines (WP:OR, WP:RS, WP:UNDUE, WP:NPOV, WP:SPS etc etc). --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:04, 19 January 2021 (UTC)--

Apologies, I'm still familiarizing myself with the guidelines and the community rules.

As for the origin, don't mean disrespect but it seems fairly clear that they were. I read the articles for Afsharids and the Qajars carefully, and here is what I see:

Qajar dynasty:

"The Qajar dynasty was an Iranian royal dynasty of Turkic origin, specifically from the Qajar tribe, ruling over Iran from 1789 to 1925."

> Qajar tribe > Background:

"The Qajars were one of the original Turkoman Qizilbash tribes that emerged and spread in Asia Minor around tenth and eleventh centuries...

In the 1980s the Qajar population exceeded 15,000 people, most of whom lived in Iran. According to Olson et al., the Qajars are nowadays considered as a branch of the Azerbaijanis."

So a couple of things I think (and maybe you will disagree):

1 (Just ignoring all the facts and using simple mathematics – probability) If they are Turkic, and if they are an Iranian royal dynasty, I think it's fair to say they are most likely Azerbaijani. If you look at any modern map of Iran, it is difficult to ignore the fact that the single largest Turkic ethnic group in Iran are the Azeris at 16% of the total Iranian population, and then in the second place come the Turkic Turkmens at a mere 2%. So if one completely ignores all other information and solely focuses just on this, one can clearly see that if it is a relatively recent Turkic dynasty, in Iran, it is almost definitely Azerbaijani or Turkmen in origin.

2 If Qajars were indeed a Turkoman Qizilbash tribe, then that means that the Qajars were a Shia militant group that flourished in Iranian Azerbaijan, Anatolia, and Kurdistan from the late 15th century onwards. That being said, if we combine this knowledge together with the knowledge in my point #1, then this means we can automatically exclude the possibility of the Turkic Qajar tribe in question being of Turkmen origin since Turkmens are followers Sunni Islam and have historically been followers of Sunni Islam, not Shia Islam that Azerbaijanis follow. So by default, excluding any other information and only focusing on my points #1 and #2, we can confidently assert that the Qajars are almost certainly Azerbaijani by origin.

3 It literally says on the page titled "Qajar tribe" in the "background" that "the Qajars are nowadays considered as a branch of the Azerbaijanis".

^ The above is the evidence for just the Qajars, the evidence for the Azerbaijani roots of the Afsharid dynasty is greater still.

Considering all the above, I think there is nothing wrong with my edits. If you think otherwise, please let me know and we can discuss further :)

This is why I advised you to read the guidelines. You're making your own personal conjectures, that's not how it works here. Please click and read the links above. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:49, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Helpful site

Search for books on this site.[31] --Kansas Bear (talk) 00:55, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks :)! --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:14, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Greater Khorasan

Hi, You might have overlooked the edits that I had made. You reverted everything just because of a single point (on Oxus). This is not constructive. I had added a credible source (Cambridge University's series on Iran edited by Prof. Yarshater), clarified the usage of Khorasan in its strict and loose sense, and had corrected the links. Regrettably you reverted all of them back. I am taking your point on Oxus, so preserved the initial rewording, but adding the other edits back. Please have a careful look before you revert them back. P.S. there is an internal inconsistency in the current definition. If we're saying that Khorasan stretched to Oxus (Amu Darya) in its strict usage of the term, then how come we're saying that it included parts of Central Asia. This is why I had corrected this saying that Khorasan stretched to Syr Darya. Anyhow, I am leaving this as it was, so no issues. Cabolitæ (talk) 16:37, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

@Cabolitae: No I did see it. There were various definitions of Khorasan, but the limit at Oxus seems to be the most common one (I initially wanted to expand on this myself, but got lazy [32]). Anyhow, looks like I kinda messed up, soz, and thanks. --HistoryofIran (talk) 16:39, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

@HistoryofIran:: If you allow, I'll add your reference to its establishment under Sassanians. I think it's an important point to be included in the article. Thanks. Cabolitæ (talk) 09:09, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

I mean, you did it anyways lol. But yeah sure, I don't mind. Btw, regarding the You might have overlooked the edits that I had made. I thought you were referring to the edits u had just made around the time you wrote that comment, not your original edit which I reverted. On that I did indeed overlook some parts of it. --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:36, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Map of Shirvanshahs

Hello again! Hope you're doing great. I have found some more free time recently and wanted to create a proper map for the Shirvanshah article, which currently lacks one. However, the only map of it that I could find was this, which I'm not sure is right or not. Do you have any map that I could use as a reference for borders, preferably at Shirvanshahs's greatest extent? Cheers. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 21:50, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

@CuriousGolden: Hi. This area is not really my expertise unfortunately, but I'm sure this source will be of great help [33]. --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:23, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

Vacca (2017)

"Albania also saw the rise of Iranian families in the tenth century, most famously the Sharwānshāhs, descendants of the Persianized Arab Shaybānī tribe who ruled over the area of Bāb al-Abwāb/Darband in the provinces of Sharwān and Layzān, with their capital at Shamākhiyya." -- Vacca, Alison (2017). Non-Muslim Provinces under Early Islam: Islamic Rule and Iranian Legitimacy in Armenia and Caucasian Albania. Cambridge University Press. p. 7. - LouisAragon (talk) 03:47, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

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Castle moves

You recently restored the Château du Tournel page after another editor moved and renamed it Tournel castle. Thank you and well done. The same user also moved/renamed Château de Miral and I have been trying without success to work out how to change it back. Can you do this? Emeraude (talk) 12:41, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

@Emeraude: I can't either unfortunately, need an admin for this. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:57, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

2 new titles

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Hello and question

Hi HistoryofIran, I was looking at this new page Laneh Muri and wanted to ask your thoughts about original research/synth in the article and on notability. They have also created this category Category:Laneh Muri and this navtemp Template:Laneh Muri.

Best wishes from Los Angeles,  // Timothy :: talk  21:38, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

@TimothyBlue: Hi. I've never heard about this 'Laneh Muri'. The citations don't look too convincing (one of the links doesn't even work) - seemingly isn't WP:RS. --HistoryofIran (talk) 21:53, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Caucasian Albania map

Hi, I've started fixing the Albania map based on Hewsen source to not include Caspian shore. However, I've noticed that in most other maps of Albania like here and here, the shore is included. Do you know why this is? And if so, should I still be changing the map to not include Caspian shores? Cheers. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 09:12, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

@CuriousGolden: Dunno tbh, but sources show that the Caspian region wasn't generally under Albanian control. I'm even more certain about it now that I've read about Balasagan and expanded its article. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:35, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

HistoryofIran, alright. I'll get to fixing the map then. Thanks. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 13:40, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

Regarding a user

Hello HistoryofIran, I noticed from the talk page of User POS78 that you are familiar with them and their works. They have created around 100 one-liner stubs over the past few days. Do all of these castles really warrant separate articles? --Ashleyyoursmile! 10:10, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

@Ashleyyoursmile: Sorry but I don't know tbh. I am not so well-versed on castles. --HistoryofIran (talk) 10:15, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. I'm just confused to see someone writing a bunch of one-line articles if they are not going to be expanded beyond stubs. --Ashleyyoursmile! 10:18, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

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Women in Iran

If we are going to revert my edits, going to the original version is better. The other one was too biased towards the IR. If there are any lingering issues with the original version, it’s best to discuss and resolve instead of moving in the opposite direction.

Aronanki (talk) 19:46, 15 February 2021 (UTC) Aronanki (talk)

Sorry but atm this seems like a WP:JDLI issue to me. Take your concerns to the talk page of the article and elaborate. --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:02, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

I’m fine with keeping the original. My edits were an attempt to address the issues brought about by another user who seemed to be trying to bias the article towards the IR. If you thought my edits were overcompensating in the other direction, I’m fine to keep the old version of the page (before either of us edited the section) for now. Aronanki (talk)

I didn't realize that was removed, thanks for restoring it. --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:36, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Okay, good to clarify the confusion. The original was fine for the most part, my issue was with the intermediate edits. Aronanki (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 20:49, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

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Thanks, but...

Hello, hope you and yours are well. Thank you for your edit at Talk:Second Anglo-Afghan War. You made a good point quoting the source. I have added to the conversation on the word protectorate. However, while I know that there is a lot of feeling around this page, and that there is lot of edit to-and-froing, tedious at times, some people who are raising certain points are trying to have the page reflect certain historical nuances. Your signal of exasperation at the beginning of your comment, while understandable, could be construed as of a dismissive nature to their concerns and to a better understanding. I have asked people to work on finding reliable references for the nuances of British control/influence on Afghanistan at the time. Thank you personally for your work on making WP a better thing. Brunswicknic (talk) 13:28, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Regarding comment removal

I think it might help reduce the temperature of the situation and of Soldier of A.M. if you allowed the comment to remain for now; I understand why you have removed it but in my opinion there isn't anything there so horrible that its removal is immediately necessary. 331dot (talk) 13:35, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

@331dot: Unfortunately his conduct is only getting worse, he is now on a crusade to get me blocked through nonsense attacks/aspersions. --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:26, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

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َList of Fire temples in Iran

Hi, I want to add this list to Featured lists, Can you help me? Thank you POS78 (talk) 18:39, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

You mean Featured articles? It needs to be a Good article first, which I'm sorry to say, but it's nowhere good enough quality to be that. For example, over half of the sources used in the article are not WP:RS. Please read [36] and [37]. Perhaps ask it for a Peer review first? --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:26, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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	This edit summary was pretty amusing, thank you for lightening the mood while trying to run the project smoothly. Ashleyyoursmile! 17:30, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

My pleasure friend :). --HistoryofIran (talk) 18:39, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

Help

Hello Please see Al-Tabari Moor9119 deleted two source and edited without source can you revert vandalism and lock pageMohammad Cowboy (talk) 00:45, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Berkyaruq

The article Berkyaruq you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Berkyaruq for issues which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Amitchell125 -- Amitchell125 (talk) 14:40, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

Hello HistoryofIran, not a lot happening here, and the deadline has been passed, so I'm probably going to fail the article tomorrow. Amitchell125 (talk) 17:27, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Mannaeans

Can you take a look the following page: Mannaea, if you wouldn't mind? It seems there are a lot of fringe, unreliable, and nationalistic sources here. Thanks.Booboosmith (talk) 19:10, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

Eh, what stuff in the article do you find fringe, unreliable, and nationalistic? --HistoryofIran (talk) 11:55, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Incorrect transliteration

All of your transliterations are incorrect i say it as a native speaker for example we don't say abolqāsim ferdowsi we say abolqāsem why do you use ridiculous arabic transliterations?arabic pronunciation is not similar to persian. Dara daryapour (talk) 20:07, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

Whether you're a native speaker or not is completely irrelevant. You do realize you're comparing modern age Persian to Persian spoken almost 1000 years ago? What you're trying to do is anachronistic. Also, please read WP:COMMON NAME, he isn't called "Ferdosi" in English sources, that's strictly modern Tehrani Persian. Also, randomly calling me an "idiot" [38] was uncalled for and is a violation of WP:NPA, the next time you do it you will be reported. --HistoryofIran (talk) 21:27, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

I'm sorry that i called you in an impolite way i promise i'll never do it again but i've been already reported and banned please unblock me from editing Dara daryapour (talk) 07:03, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

Leucosyri

Hi!

You seem to be interested in Cappadocia and ancient Anatolian and Iranian peoples. Do you have sources regarding the Iranic origin of Leucosyri? I saw that there were major content deletions by some ips and the deleted contents were about Iranian connections:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Leucosyri&action=history — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.154.43.115 (talk) 11:52, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

I don't sorry. --HistoryofIran (talk) 11:54, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Err, no worries. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:09, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Caucasian Albania dispute advice?

Hello, I come to your talk page to seek your opinion/advice. I see you are an experienced user who has previously made multiple edits in the Caucasian Albania article. Maybe you have followed some of the stuff that I and several other users have discussed in the talk page? If yes, maybe you have any opinions on this matter? – Creffel (talk) 12:29, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

I mean.. from my experience historiography in Azerbaijan is in shambles. That's nothing surprising from a dictator state. It's the same down in fellow dictator-ruled Iran as well, where pre-Islamic Iran apparently wasn't a thing and half of Sunni figures were actually Shia (they weren't). So yeah, welcome to the club friend. Perhaps the section (or a least some of it) could be moved to a more appropriate place? --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:04, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Well, you clearly know the technicalities of Wikipedia better than I do; I'll follow your lead if you have any suggestions. – Creffel (talk) 13:14, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

I don't really have the motivation to delve into it atm, but I'll put on my to-do-list. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:40, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

2021, Matthee

Check the "Table of Contents" :-) [39] Gonna be a good piece of work for sure. - LouisAragon (talk) 00:51, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Bahram IV

The article Bahram IV you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Bahram IV for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Ardenter -- Ardenter (talk) 09:01, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Seems a bit unfair to Bahram III, to be honest. CMD (talk) 09:25, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Yeah he's gonna need some loving as well. --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:28, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Delhi Sultanate

Hi! I feel sorry if my last contribution on Delhi Sultanate was considered a disruption, that was not my purpose. I tried to add a synonymous. By the way, did you take part on the creation of that page? It is very well written and I’m currently translating it on the Italian version. Plus, I took a look of your profile and felt proud for you even if I don’t even know you! 37 is a huge number! I’ll do my best to translate all of them in Italian because Wikipedia users deserve those good pages on my native language as well for sure! Hope I didn’t waste your time reading this discussion. Good work! -X3SNW8 (talk) 19:22, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

Map

Hi HistoryofIran! Would you mind helping me to translate File:Kerman Seljuks.svg to English? I want to translate it to Portuguese, but I know too little of Persian to try any translation of it.--Renato de carvalho ferreira (talk) 23:17, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

@Renato de carvalho ferreira: Hi Renato, unfortunately I am not able to read the Persian script :(. My best advise would be copying the texts in the map and translate them through Google Translate. --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:00, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

I see. Thanks for it. I'm gonna try. By the way, would you mind taking a look at Vahan Mamikonian? The article should be Vahan I Mamikonian because he was the first lord of his clan with that name (there were at least other two after him (Vahan II, the Wolf and Vahan III Kamsarakan)). There was another one before him too, Vahan, the Apostate, but with no number.--Renato de carvalho ferreira (talk) 23:31, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

@Renato de carvalho ferreira: I've made a move request [40] --HistoryofIran (talk) 00:15, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks once again. And about the same article, you removed some time ago Syvanne's book because he was not reliable. Did you have any discussion on it here? We use this book a little on pt versin. If it's not reliable, I need to remove from that.--Renato de carvalho ferreira (talk) 01:49, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Roman-Persian wars

I think that we should at least add that the casualties of the Romans were extremely higher than the Persian ones. Also as far as i'm concerned since specific sources are provided in each battle/conflict it is ok to sum up and make a total number. Holloman123 (talk) 12:10, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

But we don't know, unless you know of a reliable source states otherwise. Sorry, but what you're doing is WP:OR. --HistoryofIran (talk) 22:15, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Berkyaruq

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Mushki

Let's bring some sense and NPOV to the article? It is marred by identity-seeking Transcaucasian POVs, as if the only significance of the Mushki was their potential status as s.o.'s ancestors. The last source by the Georgian IP (Suny 1994) is actually useful, but does not belong in the lead and needs to be relativized. And of course does not deserve to be plagiarized :) I'll try something to integrate it with due weight; maybe you also have ideas for improvement. –Austronesier (talk) 08:32, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

I don't have the motivation atm, but I'll put on my to-do-list for sure. --HistoryofIran (talk) 12:30, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Source request

Hi. By any chance, do you have access to The Crusades Through Arab Eyes by Amin Maalouf? It seems to have a use in here. --► Sincerely: Solavirum 17:37, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

@Solavirum: Yes, sent you mail. --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:55, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! --► Sincerely: Solavirum 14:11, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Map updates?

These three books contain maps on almost every period of history, including the Safavids, Afsharids, Zands, and Qajars. Heck even the Ghaznavids and Seljuks are covered in Axworthy's book.

• Bournoutian 2021 (Kur to the Aras... book)
• Amanat 2017 (Iran: A Modern History)
• Axworthy 2009 (Empire of the mind... book)

- LouisAragon (talk) 18:33, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Mostly in response to this edit as the new editor was right in saying that Baghdad was not annexed to the empire (he was wrong in relation to other points though, hence the revert). But yeah we need to fix almost every map when time allows. - LouisAragon (talk) 18:35, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, I'll take a look at it in the coming days. --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:41, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

@LouisAragon: You don't happen to have a file of Iran: A Modern History that show its page numbers? --HistoryofIran (talk) 21:01, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

@HistoryofIran: I do have access to all individual chapters of the book through JSTOR.[41] Which in turn allows us to see every page number. Lemme know which ones you need. - LouisAragon (talk) 17:15, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

@LouisAragon: Could you send the Safavid sections? They seem very useful, I would like to use it for User:HistoryofIran/Ismail I and actually finish it this time (after I'm done with Peroz I and Shahrokh Shah). Btw, think I should base the maps on the same map used in the Parthian and Sasanian Empires? --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:27, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Sent, please check your mailbox! Btw, are you able to view Bournoutians maps here? If not, I can send them to you. Should help when you're trying to draw the northwestern cities etc., both for the Safavid era as well as Qajar. And yes I think such sort of map would look great. - LouisAragon (talk) 10:51, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

@LouisAragon: Got it, noice. And yes, I can see them. --HistoryofIran (talk) 17:47, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

@LouisAragon: New Iranica articles btw :o [42] --HistoryofIran (talk) 21:32, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

Damnnn that's great!

Btw found another Safavid map in a Brill work which depicts the Safavid borders in 1660 (its located on pp. 495-496). Sent it to your email. - LouisAragon (talk) 17:01, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Do you perhaps need this article for your work on Ismail I?[43] - LouisAragon (talk) 21:04, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

@LouisAragon: Yeah that would be nice :-). --HistoryofIran (talk) 21:11, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Sent. - LouisAragon (talk) 21:21, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

@LouisAragon: Btw, you don't happen to have 'Iran Under the Safavids' by Savory? --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:42, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Unfortunately I don't. - LouisAragon (talk) 20:55, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Another one: " Iran, however, was to be the dominant influence in Armenian spiritual culture. The Orontid, Artaxiad, and Arsacid dynasties were all Iranian in origin, and the greater part of the Armenian vocabulary consists of Mid. Ir. loanwords. The Armenians preserved strong regional traditions which appear to have been incorporated into Zoroastrianism, a religion adopted by them probably in the Achaemenid period. " -- Russell, J. R. (1986). "ARMENIA AND IRAN iii. Armenian Religion". In Yarshater, Ehsan (ed.). Encyclopædia Iranica, Volume II/4: Architecture IV–Armenia and Iran IV. London and New York: Routledge & Kegan Paul. pp. 438–444.[44]

@LouisAragon: I'm really bad at completing my other projects, lol (I'm almost done with the Safavid map though). Could you send me The Hazaraspid Dynasty’s Legendary Kayanid Ancestry: the Flowering of Persian Literature under the Patronage of Local Rulers in the Late Il-khanid Period? --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:11, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

Sent! Please check your mailbox. As for the map(s); that's really good to hear. - LouisAragon (talk) 17:46, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Zaranj/Nad-e Ali

Hi HistoryofIran,

This is about this revision:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1006380426

I'm pretty sure Nad-e Ali mentioned there is the one in Iran. Did you look at the sources? Jeffriban54 (talk) 20:57, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

You forgot to put in the source

Hi. When you created the page Azkajwar II, you listed as a source "Marshak (1994), pp. 235-236" without offering any further details for it. At Boris Marshak there are two 1994 articles listed, but none corresponds (see page numbers). Please add the source in full. Pls mind that you can use |author-link = Boris Marshak. Thanks. Arminden (talk) 06:43, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Idk, I created this article 7 years ago and barely touched it since. I'd probably take a look at it in the future. --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:21, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Chronology of Parthian kings in Babylonia

Hello! I've worked extensively on, and overseen, the List of kings of Babylon for some time. This list covers rulers up until halfway or so through the Parthian period, ending with Phraates IV (numbered as Phraates III if only rulers of Babylon are considered), the last known person mentioned as king in a document from Babylon. One of the sources I used for this section is Assar's work on a revised Parthian chronology, since he went into detail on Parthian kings who controlled Babylon itself, but I saw that you've pointed out here that Assar's theories on the Parthian chronology is not accepted by a majority of scholars. The big issue here is that the Babylonian list includes an 'Arsaces XVI' per Assar, for whom we have no article on Wikipedia.

I was wondering, since you've worked extensively on the Parthians, if you would like to help me revise the table of the Parthians in the list of Babylonian kings (especially if there are other errors), or if you have suggestions for other sources that could be used to establish the line of Parthian rulers who controlled Babylon (i.e. not including usurpers/rival kings in other parts of the empire). Ichthyovenator (talk) 12:34, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi Ichthyovenator; I have to admit that my knowledge on the Parthians is a bit rusty, since I haven't really edited that area in about a year. From what I remember, Assar is barely if ever cited in many Parthian related works, such as Shayegan (Arsacids and Sasanians: Political Ideology in Post-Hellenistic and Late Antique Persia, page 197), who comments on this issue;

"Others still, while reckoning that Godarz I possibly succeeded to Mihrdad II, have put forward other rival kings, be it Sinatruces, or be it Mihrdad III, as usurpers dunng Mihrdad II's latter days, and in defiance of Godarz I's rule, in the southern or eastern provinces of the empire. These assertions, however, repose primarily upon numismatic evidence, may find scant support in the literary and documentary sources, and can be contradicted by a diverging interpretation of the period's coinage, since as Morkholm clearly has established: "the six different coinages . . . between Mithradates II and Mithradates III were all issued in Babylonia, i n Iran , and in Susa, i.e. throughout the Parthian kingdom [italics mine]," which suggests that "[t]he rulers responsible for the coinages must all have been in control of practically the entire kingdom, thus, "[t]he numismatic material provides no information on local usurpers of restricted authority [italics mine]." From a numismatic perspective therefore there is no objection against the succession of Godarz I to Mihrdad II, nor any conclusive corroboration for the rival rule of a Sinatruces or Mihrdad III."

However, he is extensively cited in the recent Reign of Arrows: The Rise of the Parthian Empire in the Hellenistic Middle East, which, however, states that Arsaces XVI was the same person as Mithridates III. This new source seems to be reliable enough, considering it is by the Oxford University. If you give me your email I can send it you.

--HistoryofIran (talk) 14:39, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

I see - so Assar's conclusions are mainly based on coinage and may not hold up under scrutiny? That would be very nice, the email I use for Wikipedia is ichthy1994@outlook.com. Ichthyovenator (talk) 19:03, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Ichthyovenator That's how I've understood it yes. And sent! --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:31, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much! Ichthyovenator (talk) 20:50, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Mail

Hey, HistoryofIran, how are you doing? Thank you for giving me a hand in my search of quality sources about the Timurids. However, I have recently changed my email, and by chance, forgot to replace it in Wikipedia. Sorry to bother you, but could you please send your mail again?. Thank you in advance! --Visioncurve^{Timendi causa est nescire} 06:35, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

Xiongnu

hello i am the person on the xiongnu page. why did you delete my edit although i specified my sources.Can you write the answer on my page, it is difficult to find it here.

Noureddin Kianouri

Hey, I semi-protected the article and blocked the latest IP. I wonder if it's User:Nikrouz kianouri, with a penchant for adding German translations. The article is a mess, of course, and it seems to me that the man is well worth a decent article. I cleaned up the lead a bit and made some other edits to try and bring it in line with our guidelines, but there is much more to be done, including of course adding proper citations. If you could help with that, that would be great. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 14:53, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

• I see you got dozens of GAs--how about this be the next? It's worth a try. Drmies (talk) 15:19, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Sorry, but the modern era is not really my area of interest, at least atm. --HistoryofIran (talk) 15:20, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
    • Hmm. That's not helping me much. Drmies (talk) 02:52, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Khwarazmian dynasty § Splitting proposal

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Khwarazmian dynasty § Splitting proposal. Visioncurve^{Timendi causa est nescire} 06:41, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Karim Khan Zand

Hello HistoryofIran, I noticed that you removed my edit on the Karim Khan Zand wikipedia page because the source I used, Iran at War 1500-1988 by Kaveh Farrokh, is apparently an unreliable source. Can you elaborate on that? I've looked through Perry's book on Karim Khan Zand and compared it to Kaveh Farrokh's book. It seems like they both give similar information when talking about Karim Khan Zand's rise to power. For example, here's the quote from Perry's book regarding the war between Ali Mardan Khan and Karim Khan Zand: "Meanwhile, Karim Khan harangued his lieutenants concerning Ali Mardan’s perfidy, and early in 1751 entered Isfahan at the head of his augmented army to put an end to extortion and near-anarchy. The following month he met his rival in his own Bakhtyari mountains and attacked the depleted and dispirited band." Now compare it to the quote from Kaveh Farrokh: "Karim Khan had also prepared for the final showdown. Having secured the allegiance of many powerful clans such as the Bayat and the Khodabandehlu, Karim Khan thrust straight towards Isfahan to battle Ali Mardan Khan. Karim completely defeated Ali Mardan Khan at Chaharmahal in February 1751. Shah Ismail III, now bowing to the inevitable, joined Karim Khan.26"

The battle between the two did not occur in Little Luristan and did in fact occur in the Bakhtiari heartland, which is now Chaharmahal and Bakhtiari province. Based on that, I believe my edit to the article was indeed correct. --Kailanmapper (talk) 16:24, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

The usage of Farrokh has been downplayed at times since he does not have the academic qualifications in history. However, since the usage of certain individuals that also do not have any academic qualifications at all have been used to write history, I believe you should take this book to the Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard. --Kansas Bear (talk) 16:40, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Need your attention

Hello dear, can you please take a look here and let me know what you think? Thanks in advance.--TheEagle107 (talk) 09:15, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello

Brother I'm posting secure and trusted links. What's the problem??? Sarakhanjunglee (talk) 17:48, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

I'm not your 'brother', and please read WP:RS. Take your sources to [45] and they will tell you the same. --HistoryofIran (talk) 17:52, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

aimaq people

hello i have edited the aimaq people page but can i find out why it was taken back more than 450,000 kipchak origin of the aimaq so Kazakhs or Uzbeks need to be added there

Because it's WP:OR and imagine if we were to link all peoples as related because they supposedly have some genetic similarity. --HistoryofIran (talk) 21:48, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

ok thank you for information.

• سلام.

لطفا در مقاله دریای عرب به واگردانی های متعدد مطالب منبع دار نگاه کنید [46] و در صورت ممکن کمک کنید که صفحه دیدگاههای مختلف را [47] در نظر بگیرد.

 02:13, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan

Hello friend, you've reverted my last edits in Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan article, notwithstanding to the changes in that party and other parties named Komalah. "Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan" has converted to social democracy from marxism-leninism till it's sixth congress, and additionally the name of the party's been changed too. Of course I have to cite my edits, but the previous information was wrong and should be changed surely. Anyway I shall change that information again of course with official sources. With respect.Paraw (talk) 20:43, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

@Paraw: Please do not remove/alter sourced information. This issue has already been discussed multiple times at the talk page of the article, take your concerns there. If you continue edit warring without reaching WP:CONSENSUS this will be taken to WP:ANI. --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:46, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Göde Ahmed / Ahmed Beg

Hello. How are you? A question, why are you so negative about the article? I used that name because Encyclopedia of Islam used it. Every wikipedia including Persian ones used that name. Beshogur (talk) 18:46, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

@Beshogur: Not sure how I am being negative? It goes without saying that removing an article under construction is far from constructive. Why didn't you just add it there or discuss it with me first? Also, he is called Ahmad Göwde in the latest article about the Aq Qoyunlu, that is in Encyclopedia of Islam, vol 2.

Meanwhile in other places;

The Crisis of Kingship in Late Medieval Islam: Persian Emigres and the Making of Ottoman Sovereignty - Ahmad ibn Ughurlu Muhammad

Safavid Persia in the Age of Empires: The Idea of Iran Vol. 10 - Ahmad ibn Ughurlu Mohammad

The Cosmic Perils of Qadi Ḥusayn Maybudī in Fifteenth-Century Iran - Ahmad Beg

The Aq-qoyunlu and Land Reforms - Ahmad-beg

Islamica - Ahmad Beg

--HistoryofIran (talk) 18:56, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Actually I didn't knew such page exist, only redirected afterwards. For my it doesn't matter much. However, honestly I can't much agree that that page was under construction. We could move to Ahmad Beg imo. Beshogur (talk) 19:01, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Not sure I get your second sentence - an article under construction can take days to get completed. Because it didn't have much content doesn't validate its removal. But sure, feel free to add it to Ahmad Beg. --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:05, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Must be coincidence that we made both pages today. Thought that was staying for a while. I'm copying mine to Ahmad Beg fine? Beshogur (talk) 19:10, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Great minds think alike. Yeah sure go ahead. --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:12, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Peroz I

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Infoboxes of Savafid, Afshar, Qajar rulers

Hello, there are different successions on every ruler. Do you think we should establish something common? There are some as I see:

• 3rd Safavid Shah
• 2nd Safavid Shah of Iran
• Shahanshah of Iran
• Shah of Persia
• Shah of the Afsharid dynasty

etc What are your suggestions? Beshogur (talk) 12:17, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

All of them needs to be rewritten anyways. Imo it should be “Shah of Iran” or “Shahanshah of Iran” with their dynasty listed in the infobox, as they all ruled the same entity ultimately. HistoryofIran (talk)

Your GA nomination of Peroz I

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==Discussion at Talk:Prithviraj Chauhan==  You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Prithviraj Chauhan as a moderator. Be civil, neutral and objective on that discussion. White Horserider (talk) 00:03, 21 June 2021 (UTC) Blocked sock Chariotrider555 (talk) 21:38, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your edit

That was a great revert. My bad. Though I admit that initially I had my own doubts regarding that miniature, I still dared to think that the one beside the Ilkhanate sultan Ahmed was indeed Ata Malik. In reality, yes, it was his brother, Shams al-Din. Funny, I'm pretty much sure that the outsiders, who watchlist your talkpage for different reasons, are going like:"For God's sake, what are you guys talking about?";-) Nevermind, kheili mamnoonam az shomaa. Be salaamat! --Visioncurve^{Timendi causa est nescire} 16:41, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

No worries, sh*t happens ^^. And khahesh mikonam. --HistoryofIran (talk) 16:54, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Azerbaijani Khanates/Atabegs of Azerbaijan

Greetings, I am writing with an inquiry: on the page titled History of Azerbaijan, instead of using the valid, alternative, Azerbaijan-related names, you insist on using other specific wording. My question is: why? I don't know of any Wikipedia rule that dismisses synonyms based on the "majority" use? On the pages, you can see plenty of sources that support either wording.

If you have a template titled "the history of Azerbaijan", and you can use "Eldiguzids" or "Atabegs of Azerbaijan", either of which is perfectly valid, why would you insist on using "Eldiguzids"? - WimpyDood (talk) 17:50, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi. Those are not specific wordings, but the actual name of the articles. I'm not sure what you mean by "Azerbaijan-related"; because they have "Azerbaijan" in their names those spellings should be favoured? "Atabegs of Azerbaijan" is not even referring to Republic of Azerbaijan, but that of the historical region in Iran. --HistoryofIran (talk) 17:59, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

I understand that the title of the article is "Eldiguzids", but the title of the Wikipedia page for petrol is "gasoline", I think we can agree that one does not invalidate the other? Yes, I do believe that in a template titled "History of Azerbaijan", if they have "Azerbaijan" in their names those spellings should be favored; in the absence of applicable nomenclature-specific rules in this situation, wouldn't you agree that "Atabegs of Azerbaijan" seems more fitting under the "History of Azerbaijan" template? I understand your concern relating to the difference between Iranian Azerbaijan and the Republic of Azerbaijan, but I am not trying to spread any secessionist propaganda here, I believe my previous point still stands. And as for Azerbaijani Khanates, well the majority of them do seem to be within the borders of the Republic of Azerbaijan, not within Iranian Azerbaijan. Please let me know what you think. - WimpyDood (talk) 18:15, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, but I'm not convinced by this argument to change the article names to their less common version just because they share a similarity with that of the country template. Imagine if we did that with all other articles, such as the Weimer Republic or Persian Empire. You might want to create a RFC or something. --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:46, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Seconde Anglo-Afghan war

Hello thank you for taking the time to write to me but I think that the information on the British protectorate of Afghanistan should be corrected and replaced by the fact that Afghanistan was a protected state for several reasons the protectorates whether English or French must meet criteria I would take 2 example if you will allow me the first is the French protectorate of Morocco which consists of Morocco being under full authority while keeping the reigning French dynasty the French flag should appear on the Moroccan flag. The de facto Moroccan national anthem was the French anthem "la Marseillaise" and the official money of Morocco was the French currency and French settlers had to settle in Morocco also a French military and political presence had to appear in Morocco and to finish the morocco was considered as was in the french colonial empire now i would like to evoke afghanistan the treaty of Gandamak stipulating that afghanistan must renounce er to his foreign policy and the British Empire to give a sum of money to the emir but also there is other fact the english flag does not appear on the flag of the emirate of afghanistan the afghan national anthem was not the english national anthem the money of afghanistan was not the english money but was the rupee afghan or afghani, afghanistan was independent on its internal politics and no english politics and military were stationing in afghanistan and finally afghanistan was never part of the british colonial empire. In the "British Protectorate" page in the "list of former protected state" section there is a description that I invite you to read. Thank you for the time you give me for this dialogue and I hope that my text will be taken into account Thank you. AfghansPashtun (talk) 18:44, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Sorry but Morocco has zero relevance here. You removed sourced info, and I reverted you. It's simple as that. Take your concerns to the talk page of the article and reach WP:CONSENSUS. --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:12, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

its just an example i give after if you take it as its fine AfghansPashtun (talk) 19:20, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

New additions to the "Great Seljuk Empire" page

Hi there! How have you been? You have probably detected by now tons of new information I had added to the above-mentioned page, and shortly, I'm looking for your expertise on those additions. I'm convinced that this topic is not a dime a dozen for you and that it interests you a lot. Moreover, I utilised those really absorbing materials you had kindly shared with me last time, so I think this should be fun. Thank you! --Visioncurve^{Timendi causa est nescire} 12:16, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi. Certainly an improvement, well done. I'm glad that the sources were of use - imho Peacock is currently one of the best historians in Seljuk-related stuff. If there's any other topic/subtopic you feel like you're lacking in sources, feel free to ask. --HistoryofIran (talk) 15:23, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

I appreciate that. Thank you! --Visioncurve^{Timendi causa est nescire} 15:33, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

About a source

Hi, what's up? I just wanted to ask about a source you've used in Berkyaruq. Source 11 (Cahen 1960) has no page specified, do you know which page it is? A reviewer asked about it here, so I thought I should ask you about it in the first place. --► Sincerely: Solavirum 20:37, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

Hiya, Kansas Bear just fixed it. HistoryofIran (talk)

Poetry

Hi there! Long time, no see! How's everything? Sorry to disturb you yet again, but I won't forgive myself if I don't at least ask you - Don't you by chance have PDF books of classical Persian poetry? Doesn't matter if it's written with Persian script or transliterated into Latin (though Latin is preferable). I've been jonesing for these books and looking for them on the web for the last couple of days, but could only find those translated into other languages. So I am a bit down in the dumps right now. Take a quick look at this (masterpiece from Saadi), isn't this cray?:

hājat-e gūš o gardan-at nīst be zarr o zīvar-ī

yā be xezāb o sorme-'ī yā be 'abīr o 'ambar-ī

Hope you can help just like the last time. Please hit me up if you find something. Stay safe and strong! --Visioncurve^{Timendi causa est nescire} 13:18, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Im good thanks, and no worries, always happy to help.

Unfortunately not. I do however possess a few sources about Persian poetry and the writers themselves if that can be of any help. I’m home on the 28th July, so I will be able to send them then. And ngl, I barely understand the poem x). I suck at poetic Persian. HistoryofIran (talk)

Sure, that'll do nicely! Thank you as always for your time and assistance. --Visioncurve^{Timendi causa est nescire} 04:46, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

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Abu Mansur Wahsudan

Hello:

The copy edit you requested from the Guild of Copy Editors of the article Abu Mansur Wahsudan has been completed.

Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns.

Best of luck with the GAN.

Regards,

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Noice, thank you very much :). --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:01, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

پیام سپاسگزاری

درود بر شما همکار گرامی، از شما بابت گسترش مقالات در مورد تاریخ و فرهنگ ایران سپاسگزارم. با مهر Fakhravar jam (talk) 17:53, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

My pleasure :). --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:45, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

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Dangling ref

Hi HistoryofIran, I have been working on fixing dangling references that have no corresponding sources, and it appears you added a ref to Agha Mohammad Khan Qajar in this edit. Do you know the source? For now, I have hidden the ref. Let me know if you need any assistance if you do know the source! - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 04:21, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi @Aussie Article Writer:, the source is from here [48] --HistoryofIran (talk) 10:39, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 10:43, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Iranian politics evidence

I moved your response to Vice regent to the Evidence page's talk page. I explain a bit further there, please keep to your own section. Thank you, Moneytrees🏝️^{Talk/CCI guide} 00:12, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Right, just please leave me out of this. --HistoryofIran (talk) 00:15, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

FYI

Not that I am surprised or anything. See here. --Kansas Bear (talk) 22:36, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the heads up. I apologize I won't do mistakes like this; however, I was trying to restore older versions of the article and not exactly removing sources.

Thank you

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Avicenna Query

I'm thrilled to see you working on Avicenna's article! You probably saw that another user rewrote Averroes a few months ago and since then I've always that Avicenna was lacking in comparison. If its a topic you find less interest in, I would be happy to contribute a small music section on music theory Avicenna's article—do let me know. Best – Aza24 (talk) 18:56, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

Yes I actually got inspired by that article and even used it as a model for the article lol. Unfortunately I don't think I'm gonna expand much more in the Avicenna article as of right now least. Maybe a bit more in his life section but that's about it. Of course, go ahead if you feel like it. --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:17, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

Ah! Here I was, thinking that I was about to score a collaboration with HistoryofIran! I will certainly add it to my to do list. Aza24 (talk) 22:50, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

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Arsakes Ist of Parthia

Good evening,

In the page talking about Arsakes I I corrected a mistake saying that the inscription below the bow of the coin figuring on top was in aramaic. This correction was deleted so I will explain the reason of my action and why it is correct.

Arsakes took the title of "Autokrator". On the coin, which has not been struck correctly, but is a little shifted to the left, just figure the letters "okrator" of the genitive form "autokratoros" accorded with "arsakou" (==>[coin] of arsakes autokrator]). If you look just up the bow you can see the "T" of [au]tokrator[os] damaged by time and hands. So no, these letters aren't aramaic but correspond to the graphic style of near eastern coins (compare with the seleucid coins from the same period). Furthermore voyels are very rare in aramaic and if it were that idiom you shall not find an "O" and a "A" in a single word of that lenght.

All best,

TrebonianusGallus TrebonianusGallus (talk) 23:21, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi. Fair enough - thanks for explaining. --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:22, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

علت خنثی سازی ویرایش شما

درود، برشما بنده ویرایش شما را در جعبه اطلاعات فرعون خنثی سازی کردم ویرایش های من در جعبه اطلاعات فرعون برای هماهنگی با سایر الگو های مشابه بود Hello, I canceled your edit in the Infobox pharaoh . My edits were in the Infobox pharaoh to match other similar templates. Parsbod (talk) 19:47, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

They dont have to look like other infoboxes, please take your concerns to the talk page. --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:00, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

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I apologize

Sorry about fussing over the parentage of Artabanus II and Vonones II, I really didn't mean to cause conflict. Last time I checked, the links I provided were fully active, or that could be just because of the browsers I use. Lastly, I didn't mean to remove any vital links out of vandalism, I just thought I'd spruce up the pages in relation to the new information I provided, even if it meant deleting some information in place of new ones. Sorry for the trouble and I hope we can come to an understanding. --GOMUL13 (talk) 14:00, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Fair enough, but those sources are not WP:RS (the source apparently 'specializes' in Bible related stuff) nor are they even accessible. --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:04, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Turan (Sasanian province)

Would you mind explaining the issue with linking the "Indians" part of the article to the broadly South Asian peoples page rather than "Indian people"? Have you bothered checking the lede of the Indian people page? My recent edit did not even change the wording of the article, keeping at "Indians" as it was, but rather than linking it to the page about the citizens of India as it is today, I linked it to the more appropriate page. Context matters. The edit summary you had written appears to either have been written in haste in an attempt to quickly revert an edit of another user without checking the substance of the rationale behind the edit or it may have simply been fraudulent. Foxhound03 (talk) 15:15, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Would you mind explaining how linking 'South Asian' or 'Sindhi' is better than 'Indian people'? Have you bothered reading the two other articles? Also, don't cast Wikipedia:ASPERSIONS, I don't care what you think about me, keep it to yourself. --HistoryofIran (talk) 15:40, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

For the simple reason that it's an unrelated article. Turan is no way near the modern boundaries of the Republic of India so why should you link the ancient Indians of there to the modern day Indian citizens? Where as South Asian encompasses all the peoples of the Indian subcontinent - which by the way had clear historical and geographical boundaries - rather than the nation state of India today. I've already conceded Indian is fine to be left in the text but what linking to Indian people entails in that case is at best dishonest. We wouldn't link lower Kingdom Egypt or Hellenic dynasties in the post Yugoslav republics to the "Egyptian citizens" or "Greek citizens" pages, would we? Also I'm not trying to make any personal attacks here, when you deal with South Asian IP user spamming on unprotected pages on how Afghanistan to Myanmar are all Indian you can get drained. I apologise for any offence I may have caused and it wasn't my intention to argue with you. Foxhound03 (talk) 18:29, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

South Asian ethnic groups also include people who are not Indian. While 'Indian' is currently used to refer to any citizen living in India, that clearly wasn't the case not so long ago, as can be seen in its History section and whatnot. If anything, it seems like the lead of Indian people is lacking. --HistoryofIran (talk) 18:39, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

I agree, the addition of South Asia can be problematic due to the inclusion of Afghanistan in that page and most Wikipedia articles. The Indians page makes some mention of the people of the Indian subcontinent as a whole but no doubt its centred around the nationality and not the usage in a historical sense, so would you think its best to link it to the subcontinent page instead since it comprises most of what was historically considered India? Foxhound03 (talk) 11:19, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

I was about to say agree to disagree, but then I looked at Indian subcontinent and it has even less relevant information. So I gotta say I'm against this suggestion, as linking to that article is certainly not an improvement. --HistoryofIran (talk) 16:47, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

(King of Kings) or (shahanshah)

Hi, do you think it is not better to mention the Persianized word King of Kings which is like this (Shahanshah) which is in the infobox of Sassanid kings in the parameter [succession] section instead of the [title] parameter because the word (shahansha) It is an honorary title used even by Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, while Mohammad Reza Pahlavi was not really King of Kings, but Sassanid kings like the Achaemenid kings were really king of Kings in the true sense of the word. (Shahansha) in the parameter [title] and the title of King of Kings in the parameter (succession)To be mentioned.
Sardar ^talk 12:13, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi. No, the word 'shah' and 'shahanshah' are regularly used in WP:RS sources, thus I see no reason to omit them. Mohammad Reza Pahlavi was just as much a King of Kings as the Sasanians, as they both used the title; the size of the kingdom is irrelevant. --HistoryofIran (talk) 12:17, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your answer Sardar ^talk 12:43, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

Alexander the Great

@HistoryofIran:Hi, recently in the article of Alexander the Great, two new titles have been added to the Infobox article "The Liberator" and "King of the World", which I think these two titles have nothing to do with Alexander, if possible, Check out Sardar ^talk 22:07, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

Dunno if Alexander actually used those titles, but I do know that the sources that were cited to support the claim were certainly not WP:RS (reliable), thus removed. --HistoryofIran (talk) 22:19, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

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Fat fingered at Heraclius

Accidentally rolled back your edit, my apologies. I restored it. Jip Orlando (talk) 19:42, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

No worries mate. --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:48, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Battle of Firaz

It seems that the editor has a case, it's found on page 108 (not 180) here. Is there a particular reason you believe this is not a reliable source? Now, I need to go to the other editor and give a very stern warning regarding personal attacks, which I'm sorry you had to endure. All the best, 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 20:45, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Is R.G. Grant specialized in Islamic history, Sasanian history, Late Antiquity? His writing(s) appear to be generalized, lacking any real specialization. --Kansas Bear (talk) 21:30, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

@78.26: Author has no expertise in the subject and his work (which seems to be a very basic, general work) does not seem to be cited by any reliable, academic source. I don't have the time to find the primary source right now, but it looks like the author simply directly quoted the very numbers mentioned in Islamic text(s). Which are not to be trusted, because of WP:PSTS and other things; "Islamic texts usually report the number of the Persian soldiers to have been in the hundreds or tens of thousands and several times larger than the Arab armies. This is pure fiction and it is boastful literature which aims to aggrandize Arab Muslim achievement, which may be compared to the Greek accounts of the Greco-Persian wars." - Sasanian Persia: The Rise and Fall of an Empire, Daryaee, page 37. While I certainly wasn't fond of the tone of the IP, I do understand that it looks sus when a user named 'HistoryofIran' reverts something that is not "in favour" of Iran - especially when I could have been more thorough, which to be frank, I couldn't be bothered with, because these type of edits happen every now and then. --HistoryofIran (talk) 22:30, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

That is an excellent explanation. There's nothing inherently wrong with coffee table books, but certainly they are an inferior source to academic sources. So, I think it would be best if you put this information on the article talk page, then when you make a revert to a new user, you can point to your well-explained reasoning. Otherwise it looks like you're munching on newbies. . All the best, 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 00:15, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Fair enough. --HistoryofIran (talk) 10:57, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

TrueImperial might be back

See Dinobba (talk · contribs), what do you think? Beshogur (talk) 11:19, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

What ? Dinobba (talk) 11:20, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

I suggest making a WP:SPI. --HistoryofIran (talk) 11:34, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Cyrus the Great Day

Congratulations on the day of commemoration of Cyrus the Great Sardar (talk) 19:07, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you and likewise :). --HistoryofIran (talk) 10:22, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Mount Nemrut

I have joined the discussion if you wish to be included. --Kansas Bear (talk) 21:07, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Ishaq al-Mawsili

Hey HistoryofIran, I hope all is well. I finally finished Barbad for the most part and put it up for GAN. I'm turning some attention to Ishaq al-Mawsili and wondered if you had access to this Encyclopaedia of Islam article? If so, would it be possible to send it to me? I recall you using their articles in the past, which is why I'm reaching out. Best – Aza24 (talk) 22:29, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

Also, if I might ask your advice, a Grove article calls Ishaq "the foremost composer and performer of his day". Since the Grove article is on Arab music, there is no need to specify that this in the context of the Middle East. However, on Wikipedia there seems to be a need to a do so. How would I go about this? Since he is an Arab of Persian origin it feels incorrect to say he was the "leading Arab (or 'Persian') musician of his time"; maybe "leading Islamic musician..." or "leading Abbasid musician..."?—though both seem awkward still. Aza24 (talk) 22:38, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

@Aza24: Unfortunately I don't possess the source, which is rather awkward because I did have access to EI3 recently and thought I downloaded everything I needed from it. As for your other question, this is a very good question and I do think about it myself from time to time. This is generally my go to in articles:

I'm not fond of saying, say 'Ishaq was a Abbasid/Safavid/Sasanian person etc etc, because that could technically imply that he was from the royal family, and imo can just be worded in better, less confusing ways.

If Arab/insert other ethnicity here was not the nationality (i.e. the designation of the citizens under said empire/dynasty) of the lifetime of x person, then I would not mention it, like 'Ishaq was a Arab/Swedish/x person.

Thus I would personally go for 'Ishaq was a Persian musician active in the Abbasid Caliphate (or something like that). Someone like this; [49] [50] --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:26, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

Many thanks for all of this!! Your plans to work on Badi' al-Zaman al-Hamadani (re the library desk) sound exciting. I know its a big topic but if you ever take Khosrow II to GAN, I would be happy to contribute a new/more-comprehensive music section... Aza24 (talk) 00:28, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

@Aza24: Ops, thought I had already replied to this comment. I kind changed my mind a bit for the expansion of Badi' al-Zaman al-Hamadani, but it will deffo be on my do to list. Yeah I really want to make Khosrow II, but it's just sooo much work lel. I'm not too big on making big articles GA because with all that time I could make several, smaller articles GA. But that is deffo on my to do list as well. --HistoryofIran (talk) 16:20, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

The 'make many small vs one big GAs' is a very familiar sentiment to me as well, if my work on musicians like Barbad and Ishaq is any evidence. I find that adopting 'long term' projects is a remedy for this, so I've been chipping away at the History of music for a while now. I figure that if editors like us don't do it, no one will...! Before I got to this history of music article, there was virtually nothing of substance or quality outside some bloated and uncited sections on Western classical music. Such a predicament is even more ridiculous when considering that Wikipedia just celebrated its 20 year anniversary... Aza24 (talk) 20:53, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

@Aza24: True that. Well, tbf, I'm lowkey just hoping someone takes my place lol. Not that are not loads of experienced editors who edit around the same areas as me, many of them which are much better, but yeh. --HistoryofIran (talk) 00:45, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Deleting new changes without any valid ground

I have added some very crucial informations to the shaybanids article recently but you have removed my changes by claiming due to "disruption, addition of unsourced material + improperly and obscure cited sources". I sincerely sure that my sources were reliable. I didn't add sources for some of the infos i added because they are already well-known and common. If you wish, i can also add for them. Please take the removal back/let me edit again or state the reason of not doing. Ultimete (talk) 07:24, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

@Ultimete: Please see [51] --HistoryofIran (talk) 10:47, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Re: Reverting my most recent edits

My most recent edits on the House of Suren and House of Spandiyadh have been reverted. You sent me a message concerning that, saying that "did not appear to be constructive and have been reverted. Please take some time to familiarise yourself with our policies and guidelines". I did not violate any Wikipedia policies, the content was adequately sourced (reliable sources), not copied, and no spelling or grammatical mistakes. Why did my edits get reverted then?

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@Pls I dank memer: Please see my edit summaries on those reverts. You continued doing the same kind of edits, hence the message. I know your edits are done in good faith, of course. --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:12, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

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@HistoryofIran: Hi! I realize that you might haven't had the time yet but I hope I'd be able to receive a response from you on the Battle of Nahrawan's talk page :) Thanks!

Hi Albertatiran. I believe you might want to address the points made by AhmadLX in his edit summaries and then ping him. Sources such as Rogerson and Hazleton (who both are not even historians) are not WP:RS. -HistoryofIran (talk) 17:24, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for the input. Albertatiran (talk) 19:52, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

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Mithridates V of Parthia

It seems we’re at odds over the lineage (or lack thereof) of the Parthian contender Mithridates V. I never intended to make a big deal out of this and I apologize for the lack of communication I’ve had with you in regards to it, but due to him being the ancestor of the Arsacid dynasties of Iberia and Armenia, I’d hate to leave his page as a stub or at least not connect him to the other Arsacids. I have indeed been doing research on this figure, such as browsing web archives and reading up on encyclopedias and have managed to gather enough information to at least buff out the stub. Although I know I don’t have a definitive account for his life or family connections, I have gone above and beyond to make sure the sources I provide are valid and I am sorry for any inconvenience I have caused you. I have decided to reach out to you in hopes of sharing my thoughts with you before I do anything else. Thank you. GOMUL13 (talk) 11:29, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

I share HistoryofIran's concerns. First off, Britannica is not a reliable source and should not be used. Secondly, you made an edit here; I checked the source you provided and it did not say anything about a "Murrod". Care to explain? --Kansas Bear (talk) 17:59, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

@GOMUL13: If I did appear as a bully then I'm sorry Gomul13, that was not my intention - you don't have ask for my approval, I don't own anything here. However, I would love to help you if you have any questions. Nothing in the source indicates that this 'Meherdates' was Mithridates V. Likewise, the origin of Osroes I is unknown as well per his article. I would also love to know the origin of figures such as these as well, but that does not seem to be possible with the amount of knowledge there is about the obscure Parthians, which is not an unusual thing in history, especially in the Middle East. And Britannica is not WP:RS. --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:12, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

@HistoryofIran: Oh no! That’s not what I was trying to insinuate! I’ve actually appreciated the feedback you’ve given me, I’ve been trying my best to be as helpful as I could in regards to the ambiguous history of Parthian genealogy. I’m definitely no expert, but I’d be lying if I said I haven’t be trying my best with what knowledge I have available to me. Also I did not know Brittanica wasn’t usable for Wikipedia until now, so thanks for the tip I guess. GOMUL13 (talk) 01:58, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

@Kansas Bear: I probably shouldn’t have added that since it’s mainly based on hearsay, but multiple soyces (found within her page) refer to Murrod as a Parthian princess and a daughter of Artabanus IV. Also, on a similar but possibly unrelated note, the Kar-Namag i Ardashir i Pabagan refers to the mother of Shapur I as a daughter of the late Parthian king (although she was referred to as Zijanak). GOMUL13 (talk) 02:12, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Nishapur or Neyshabur?!

Thank you for your answer and help! I didn't change the WP:COMMON NAME this time and only added Neyshabur as the official name. I have also added a citation (An official governmental website along with my previous citations that are not included this time) to the Municipality of Neyshabur as my claim for the usage of this Romanization as the official name. You can check it out. You can change the article if you still disagree with me on this matter. Best regards! Ehsanbasafa (talk) 12:07, 25 November 2021 (UTC)Ehsanbasafa

Idernes

I have created a disambiguation page Hydarnes (disambiguation), and since all of the entries on Idernes are actually 'Hydarnes' titles, I would suggest making Idernes a redirect to Hydarnes (disambiguation) and adding something like 'and its Greek transliteration Idernes' to the lead. What do you think? Leschnei (talk) 14:50, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

@Leschnei: Hi Leschnei, sounds good to me. I will do it tomorrow (today technically?), or feel free to do it yourself if you want to ofc. --HistoryofIran (talk) 05:04, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Vedic period - meat consumption

Hello Historyofiran, you recently reversed contributions by me in the Vedic Period article where I changed the text which referred to Vedic diet (in the Vedic Culture section) as not consisting of beef, to being consisted of beef as a staple. You state that you reversed it to sourced material, but there is no reference material given that states Vedic people had an "aghnya" (not to be killed) attitude towards cows. Most serious academics accept that Vedic people not only ate beef, but it was a staple in their diet and formed a central part of their society as Aryan people were cattle rearers.

Please let me know your reasoning, I don't wanna be accused of "warring" in an effort to change it to the commonly accepted beliefs by academics.

Windafarna (talk) 21:04, 27 November 2021 (UTC) Windafarna

Hi. Per the cited source; However, the reference to cows as aghnya (not be killed) suggests a disapproval of their indiscriminate killing. If there are indeed other sources that say otherwise, please do add them. Perhaps is should be checked if A History of Ancient and Early Medieval India: From the Stone Age to the 12th Century is even WP:RS. --HistoryofIran (talk) 21:11, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

A History of Ancient and Early Medieval India: From the Stone Age to the 12th Century, published by Pearson Education, written by Upinder Singh.

Upinder Singh is an Indian historian and the former head of the History Department at the University of Delhi. She is the dean of faculty and professor of history at Ashoka University. She is also the recipient of the inaugural Infosys Prize in the category of Social Sciences.

Looks WP:RS to me. --Kansas Bear (talk) 22:22, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Yes, it states against their "indiscriminate killing", which to me is clearly suggestive language meaning that they weren't killed just for any sake but had some significance with cattle being a significant part of Vedic society and economy. The early Vedic texts clearly refer to beef consumption, with Indra ordering that he be served "15 plus 20" cows, Agni eating cows and goats, the late Vedic philosopher Yajnavalkya stating that he eats beef "if it is tender", among many others. After the statement of the alleged aghnya attitude towards cows, he states that the "issue" is "controversial", and that dietary practices change over time. A History of Ancient and Early Medieval India: From the Stone Age to the 12th Century is a general history of South Asia which glosses over many details on account if its need to cover the entire pre-modern history of South Asia in a single book. It leaves many details out and some details ambiguous despite them being completely uncontroversial among non-Indian scholars. The author even states that Dardic is a "non-Sanskritic" language, despite it being the closest language to Sanskrit and the most archaic Indo-Aryan language in the context of Proto-Indo-Aryan, some scholars believe it is the direct descendent to the language of the Rigvedas.

I'm wondering if I contribute to the article with a proper citation from a book that covers beef consumption in Vedic times, if it will stay there. In my opinion, the whole notion that cows were not eaten despite Vedic society and the Aryan way of life being centered around cattle, and with clear statements of beef eating by Devas and human beings alike, is out of the mainstream and only perpetuated by Hindu religio-nationalists who assert the same pseudo-history of Indigenous Aryanism and that Puranic Chronology is historical fact and not religious mythology.

Thanks, please let me know if my contributions will stay on the page with an added citation, I do intend to remove the assertion of that cows were not killed and eaten and replace it with commonly agreed upon facts on Vedic society. Windafarna (talk) 23:19, 27 November 2021 (UTC)Windafarna

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New info

Mithridates V is referred to as a son of Pacorus II by John Malalas in his Chronographia. Also, in Volume 18 of the 11th Edition Encyclopedia Britannica on page 621, he is called Mithridates IV and died in Commagene (which is located near Ectbatana) and appointed Sinatruces II as his successor, whom is referred to as his son. -- GOMUL13 (talk) 11:06, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

John Malalas is a primary source (please read WP:PSTS), and the Cambridge History of Iran still does not call Mithridates V a son of Pacorus, and Britannica is still not WP:RS. As I said earlier, the origin of Mithridates V and Osroes is unknown in modern scholarship. --HistoryofIran (talk) 16:10, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

GOMUL13, post a quote from The Cambridge History of Iran, Vol.3, Part1, page 91. And prove this information exists.--Kansas Bear (talk) 16:40, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Kansas Bear, I returned the copy I had to my library two weeks ago so I can't supply the exact information you want at the time. I have since been trying to download an online copy of it off of the Cambridge website but understand that I have come to respect the feedback and rules you two have shared with me. If you like, I will abandon my research into Mithridates V as I appear to lack sufficient evidence to warrant his page's expansion. Thanks for understanding. -- GOMUL13 (talk) 18:00, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

• "If you like, I will abandon my research into Mithridates V as I appear to lack sufficient evidence to warrant his page's expansion."

I never said that. Anything used as a source on Wikipedia has to be verifiable. This removes the possibility of original research. --Kansas Bear (talk) 18:09, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

I didn't mean to word it like that, what I meant was I was beginning to feel like a vandal as I kept adding when I had little to prove it with so I decided to end my fruitless journey with this obscure figure. -- GOMUL13 (talk) 18:35, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Edit war

Hi HistoryofIran! I'd like to ask for your help with an edit war at Talk:Ali#problematic_edits. Thanks! Albertatiran (talk) 08:18, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Sorry but that topic isn't really my speciality nor interest. --HistoryofIran (talk) 18:59, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

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Ghurid map

Map of the Ghurid Empire

Current map of the Ghurid Empire

A more conventional depiction

Hi HistoryofIran. The current map of the Ghurid Empire (attached, in white and green) seems quite enlarged compared to the cartographic sources I have access to. Please check this reference: Schwartzberg, Joseph E. (1978). A Historical atlas of South Asia. Chicago: University of Chicago Press. p. 147, map XIV.3 (g). ISBN 0226742210.. Also the very first version of this green and white map back in 2009 [52] was apparently based on the Atlas of World History (2007) - The World 1000-1200 (probably this source, by Oxford University Press). But I note that you modified this original map with major enlargements in 2013-2014 [53]. Would you have a reliable cartographical source for your enlarged version of the map? (I am not speaking about vague sentences such as "transient military empire which at times stretched from Gorgān (q.v.) in the west to northern India in the east" [54]). If not, I would suggest we return to more generally accepted depictions of the Ghurid territory, such as the ones by Schwartzberg or the Atlas of World History. Best पाटलिपुत्र Pat (talk) 13:16, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Disagree. These 'Atlas' sources are rarely accurate, often being very generic and contradicting sourced material written by experts on the subject. This is what History of Civilizations of Central Asia - Volume 4 says as well; "In 1201 Ghurid troops entered Khurasan and captured Nishapur, Merv, Sarakhs and Tus, reaching as far as Gurgan and Bistam. Kuhistan, a stronghold of the Ismailis, was plundered and all Khurasan was brought temporarily under Ghurid control" - p. 191. However, I do think that the shortlived possessions of the Ghurids should be shown in another way. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:26, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

It's probably that "temporary forays" are rarely considered as "administered territory" per se. I'm afraid we cannot create our own map based on our enlarged interpretations of these plundering expeditions, and I wouldn't discount reliable cartographical sources that easily. There might also be a problem with the synchronocity of eastern and western possessions: were eastern conquests achieved at the same time as western ones? In other words, does your enlarged map even reflect Ghurid territorial presence at a single point of time? Until you find a better map with temporary forays/possession, I suggest we reinstate my standard map which roughly corresponds to Schwartzberg and Oxford. पाटलिपुत्र Pat (talk) 13:53, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

The eastern conquests were earlier it seems; "Moʿezz-al–Dīn himself returned to Khorasan to aid his brother against the Ḵᵛārazmšāhs, but his conquests in India were carried on by his Turkish commander Qoṭb-al-Dīn Aybak (q.v.) and, expanding as far east as Bengal, by Eḵtīār-al-Dīn Moḥammad Ḵaljī. It was Aybak who at Delhi built the Qowwat-al-Eslām mosque (588/1192) and at Ajmer converted into the Arhāʾī-Dīn-kā-jhompŕā mosque (comp. 596/1200) a former Hindu college as visible signs of Ghurid might in India (Burton-Page, “Dilhi,” p. 259 with the plan of Qowwat-al-Eslām mosque; idem, “Hind,” p. 442)." I do agree that the map needs to be improved, but I do not consider the other much as an improvement, as we have at least two high quality sources that contradicts it. If I only a had a base map (doesn't have to be a map from Wiki) showing an area from Iran to Bangladesh then I could create a much better map from scratch. --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:04, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Like this? File:Topographic90deg N0E0.png? (may deserve stitching a small portion of the next map to the east). पाटलिपुत्र Pat (talk) 14:10, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

The map is not detailed enough when zoomed in - I'm going to draw over the map, so the edges and shape of the map is not gonna look too pretty using that map. Also, extending the map out even a little is too much of a hassle. --HistoryofIran (talk) 21:28, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

In case you're interested, I can do the stiching, it's easy. पाटलिपुत्र Pat (talk) 11:30, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Here it is, with significantly more detail than the initial one (x4). पाटलिपुत्र Pat (talk) 11:51, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

This looks good, thanks. I will create a new map from this one then. However, do beware that making such maps from scratch requires a lot of time investing, so this deffo won't be done by the next week or so. Drawing over the map perfectly alone takes several hours. --HistoryofIran (talk) 12:03, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

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Season's Greetings

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	Hi HistoryofIran! Wishing you a Happy Holiday Season, and a beautiful and productive New Year! पाटलिपुत्र Pat (talk) 13:10, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much पाटलिपुत्र and likewise 🎄. --HistoryofIran (talk) 15:49, 21 December 2021 (UTC)as

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Hello how are you thanks for your message but please let me know which one of my changes are inappropriate or incorrect Thank you Because as I know ibn nadim used the Persian word fehrest(فهرست) in his work and he was very likely to be Persian Same for Farabi recent research shows he was a Persian I will thank you for answering me Good luck — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alihd23 (talk • contribs) 20:05, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

@Alihd23: Hi, the issue was that you altered sourced information. If you have reliable academic sources that says something else, please do add them. However, at the same time please don't disregard the other sources. --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:11, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your response I'm not very obsessed with ethnicity of these scientifists but apparently historically both were Persians i read some small articles about them arguing their ethnicity with linguistic and Historical evidence i don't want to interfere inappropriately but i Suggest you to do a search to inform people with correct information again that you very much Alihd23 (talk) 20:28, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

For Farabi i only add his name in Persian because it was there before and someone eliminated that But i know you have to be strict about misinformation I won't interfere without having reliable resources anymore but how can i add resources to my changes? Thank you for your time Alihd23 (talk) 20:31, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Al-Farabi did not live under a Persian speaking government, nor did he write works in Persian, thus his name in Persian is irrelevant. What do you want to add? --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:44, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

I wanted to add this

Scholars have disputed his ethnic origin. Some claimed he was Turkish but more recent research points to him being a Persian (Rudolph 2017: 536–45)

From Stanford philosophy site Alihd23 (talk) 16:43, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

I see. Can you link the source? --HistoryofIran (talk) 16:46, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy

Rudolph, Ulrich, 2017, “Abû Nasr al-Fârâbî”, in Philosophy in the Islamic World, (Volume 1: 8th-–10th Centuries), Ulrich Rudolph, Rotraud Hansberger & Peter Adamson (eds.), Leiden: Brill, pp. 526–654.

I think this is the source Alihd23 (talk) 17:35, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

I have added it for you [55]. I highly advise to you look at Wikipedia:Good articles and Wikipedia:Featured articles to get a good grip on how information and sources can be added into an article. Also, beware that copy pasting is not allowed, per WP:COPYVIO. --HistoryofIran (talk) 17:52, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much I really like to be active in Wikipedia but unfortunately I don't have enough time but I'm really interested in History philosophy literature especially Persian literature logic medicine physics and science Alihd23 (talk) 20:18, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

But about ibn nadim I find this source about his ethnicity please check it and if you find it useful add it to his wiki page thank you very much Some scholars regard him as a Persian (Gray, p. 24; Nicholson, p. 362), but this is not certain. However, his choice of the rather rare Persian word pehrest/fehrest/fehres/fahrasat (cf. comments by W. Henning quoted in Borhān-e Qāṭeʿ, ed. M. Moʿīn , p. 1509, n. 1) for the title of a handbook on Arabic literature is noteworthy in this regard. Alihd23 (talk) 20:42, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

The source of it is encyclopedia iranica Alihd23 (talk) 20:44, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi how are you Can i add this to Abū Hayyān al-Tawhīdī page? Alihd23 (talk) 20:46, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Al-Tawhidi was an Arabic litterateur and philosopher, probably of Persian origin, and author of numerous books which reflect all the main themes of debate and reflection in the cultivated circles of his time. His basic outlook could be defined as a kind of simplified and vulgarized Neoplatonism, influenced by Gnostic elements, with four hypostases: God, Intellect, Soul and Nature. He also has a strong interest in moral questions on both the individual and social level.

'Ali ibn Muhammad Abu Hayyan al-Tawhidi was probably of Persian origin. However, Arabic is the only language he is known to have used, and most of his life was spent in Baghdad and in Rayy (Tehran) at the court of the Buyid princes and their ministers, in particular the famous Ibn Sa'dan. It is in the latter's presence that the discussions recorded in al-Imta' wa'-mu'anasa (Enjoyment and Conviviality) took place. His last years were spent in Shiraz, where he died in ah 414/ad 1023. From Muslimphilosophy.com Alihd23 (talk) 20:47, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Muslimphilosophy.com is not WP:RS (i.e. reliable). And again, please do not disregard already mentioned sourced information. Please see WP:RS and WP:NPOV. --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:49, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks i didn't disregard already mentioned information i just added something from that site Alihd23 (talk) 21:06, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

You wrote it as he was more likely Persian than Arab. The correct way to write it in that case would be that he was 'Arab or Persian'. --HistoryofIran (talk) 21:08, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

But the reference of this article is Routledge at the end of the article Isn't Routledge a reliable and accepted reference? Alihd23 (talk) 21:15, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

It is, but nothing suggests that https://muslimphilosophy.org/ is. It is very easy to create a website and claim a bunch of stuff. --HistoryofIran (talk) 21:17, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

You seemed some kind of expert in this work? Are you a professor or skilled researcher or just an interested person? Alihd23 (talk) 21:18, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Ehh, none of them I guess? I'm just a regular bloke. --HistoryofIran (talk) 21:24, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

U know I myself am probably of arabic descent but as i study history of science and philosophy many persian philosophers and scientist were assumed arab and i think Wikipedia has a very important role in clarification of this thing although the most important thing is to study the opinions of this scientists and philosophers and they were human beings of course Alihd23 (talk) 21:24, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for guiding me and please revise and correct me if i made a mistake thanks again Alihd23 (talk) 21:26, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Ancient territory of modern Azerbaijan

How is my contribution disruptive? The modern country of Azerbaijan was not named until the 20th century. This territory was known in ancient history under different names. This should be reflected when talking about the ancient history, using terms such as Arran, Caucasian Albania, Shirvan, Atropatene etc. The minimum should be "the territory that is today part of Azerbaijan. Simply saying "Ibrahim Yinal was appointed governor of Azerbaijan" is confusing. You have abused your privilege as an administrator by threatening me and my contributions as being disruptive. How is accuracy disruptive? There is a process for higher Wikipedia intervention process when someone is using their power to bully and threaten the constructive edits of another. Have I misunderstood something? Were you referring to some other edit? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Youngkyf (talk • contribs) 15:01, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

@Youngkyf: Again, this is not referring to the modern Republic of Azerbaijan in the Cacuasus, but the historic Azerbaijan region in now what is northwestern Iran, please see Azerbaijan (Iran). Atropatene was not the historic name of the present-day Azerbaijan country, but that of the historic region in Iran. See Atropatene. While we're at it, see Adurbadagan as well. Last but not least, please refrain from making accusations towards me, and also read edit summaries. --HistoryofIran (talk) 15:14, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Calendar

Hi. Based on your good edits and area of interest, I'd like you to take a look at Solar Hijri calendar. Until yesterday it was somewhat lacking in quality of style but I have made a major improvement to its structure. You might be able to contribute further to this article and maybe get its content to a higher level like in the Chinese calendar article. Thanks. --WR 21:25, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi Weaveravel. Thank you, I will put it on my to-do-list. --HistoryofIran (talk) 21:38, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

lur

my bro im lur and i know better than others lur have 3 big branches : bakhtiari , lorestan ,southern lurs dont edit plz راستزاد (talk) 13:21, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, but that is not how it works here in Wikipedia. --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:36, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

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Persian/Iranian categories

I know very little about mediaeval Iran/Persian, but its obvious that the categories are a mess. Do you have any ideas about how they could be improved? Rathfelder (talk) 15:21, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

@Rathfelder: Yes, for example changing the 'x-century Persian scientists/etc' to that of Iranian. Persian and Iranian are not synonymous. A huge amount of historical Iranian figures are not of Persian descent, such as al-Biruni. Scholarship routinely uses the word 'Iran(ian)' nowadays to refer to pre-1925 Iran, as it is more accurate. --HistoryofIran (talk) 15:24, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

I'm quite happy to propose they all be renamed - so long as you can back me up. What we have now make no sense. Rathfelder (talk) 15:27, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

I will, no prob. --HistoryofIran (talk) 15:27, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

• Will there be people who can properly be said to be Persian who are not Iranian? Rathfelder (talk) 16:49, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

@Rathfelder: Certainly. Though the lines are sometimes blurry, mainly in the medieval Islamic era. Some major non-Persian Iranian civilizations are Sogdians, Bactrians, Khwarazmians, Parthians, and Daylamites. --HistoryofIran (talk) 18:52, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

• So we may need to keep some Persian categories? And make some more? Rathfelder (talk) 18:58, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

That's up to you. For the sake of keeping it as accurate (and I guess simple?) as possible I personally would not. It might also open up a can of worms if we have both. --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:01, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

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Colchis in the 18th Satrapy

Name the source, which historian writes that Colchis was a satrapy. There is no source on earth where Colchis is written as part of a satrapy. CeRcVa13 (talk) 10:52, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

I've already did in my edit summary, so there clearly are sources like that. If Colchis was under Achaemenid period for the entirety of their period, however, is another story. --HistoryofIran (talk) 10:53, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

A less vague excerpt of the source; The situation is reminiscent of Colchis and Caucasian Iberia. Once, it was inconceivable that they had been under Achaemenid rule; now, ever more evidence is emerging to show that they were, forming a lesser part of the Armenian satrapy page 665 --HistoryofIran (talk) 10:59, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

I've already did in my edit summary, so there clearly are sources like that. If Colchis was under "Achaemenid period for the entirety of their period, however, is another story"

Which source are you talking about, where it is written that Colchis was a satrapy? There is talk in all sources about the vassal state, I saw that earlier Georgian Gocha Tsetskhladze's source was brought in connection with this issue. He never wrote that Colchis was in any of the satrapies. There is no source where Colchis is referred to as a satrapy.

The map must be corrected or indicate below the map that Colchis was a vassal and ally and not a satrapy (sources Herodotus and David Braund point to). CeRcVa13 (talk) 11:14, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

I am talking about A Companion to the Achaemenid Empire. As mentioned, it is on page 665. Even if it was a vassal state only, it still means that the area was under Achaemenid rule. There's nothing wrong with the map. I saw you attempted to do something similiar at Safavid Georgia; I would highly advise you to stop. --HistoryofIran (talk) 11:16, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

The vassal state and the province are two different commandments. I do not want to bother explaining this, you have to understand this. Nowhere is it mentioned that Colchis was in the 18th satrapy and why is the 18th satrapy on the map? Do you have a source to prove this? Of course not. So either indicate below the map that Colchis was not in Satrapy or delete the map. Safavid Georgia did not have such a thing, because western Georgia was a vassal of the Ottomans and Georgia was divided into many parts, so I will always have a problem with disinformation. CeRcVa13 (talk) 11:28, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Cercva. The quote I wrote literally says that Colchis was part of the Achaemenid satrapy. Even if it was a vassal state, that does not mean the map should be removed or changed, by that logic we would have to remove/change most dynasty maps in Wikipedia. Whether it was mentioned in the 18th-satrapy or not is of zero relevance, we go by what modern sources say, please read the guidelines. --HistoryofIran (talk) 11:32, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Question

Hey HistoryofIran, happy new year and I hope you're doing well. Noticed an editor you've with recently did these additions in Diauehi article. Wanted to ask your opinion about these edits, as your interests are more in history topics. Also this seems like canvassing by the user, maybe a warning is needed. Cheers, ZaniGiovanni (talk) 13:12, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you and likewise. Well, I can confirm that the source indeed supports his (copy-paste) addition. Whether it's appropriate or not, I don't know. To be frank, I know absolutely nothing about the Diauehi. It certainly needs a rewriting, though. --HistoryofIran (talk) 15:28, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

Probably a note on Kober's talk page would be most productive. --Kansas Bear (talk) 18:28, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your time, much appreciated. Quite frankly, I'm not knowledgeable about Diauehis either. I get alot of WP:TENDENTIOUS vibes from the user if I'm being honest, this edit is a prime example. Blank removal of sourced info, complete disregard of multiple sources in Diauehi#Origins, and clear POV imo. But no time for wiki-drama for me) Take care and thanks again. ZaniGiovanni (talk) 11:22, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Here is something interesting

I happened upon on of your "discussions", you always seem to have the most interesting ones, and found;

• Introduction to Christian Caucasian History: The Formative Centuries (IVth-VIIIth), Cyril Toumanoff, Traditio, Vol. 15 (1959), pp. 1-106.
  

especially, page 23. Seems informative and the note on the same page is interesting. --Kansas Bear (talk) 18:24, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

I see, I'm glad to hear that. It is indeed, I'll keep this bit in mind, thank you. --HistoryofIran (talk) 18:57, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

AND, regarding that particular person in the discussion above and their edit on Daiuehi, it would appear their candor, ?reading ability?, should be drawn into question. Page 18-19 of Donald Rayfield, "Edge of Empires : A History of Georgia","Under the Medes and the Achaemenid Persians, the Georgians of Colchis and of Iberia achieved parity, if not unity: Sasperi, or Iberians, formed the eighteenth Satrapy of the Persian empire, and Colchians(Herodotus lists them as Moskhi, Tibarenes, Makarons, Mossynooci and Mars) formed the nineteenth Satrapy."

Needless to say, it is good to be back from Alabama.--Kansas Bear (talk) 20:29, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

Haha I see, well I guess that settles it. --HistoryofIran (talk) 21:33, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

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Referring to your revert

"‎ rv, yeah disputed claim, those almost 40 sources are nothing serious "

Well, even the article on Orontid dynasty says some historians say so and others so, with dozens of other sources. Please read. Don't you think it's better to leave that part out of that section or to display both opinions, if historians themselves are not 100% sure. Thats common sense. If you are going to ignore this than don't come to my page and accuse. Thanks

Just because one article says something, doesnt mean other articles should too, per Wikipedia:OTHER. No matter how you put it, removing a piece of information supported by almost 40 sources is not constructive. I did not 'accuse' you of anything, I simply left you a warning because of your edit. --HistoryofIran (talk) 22:54, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

@UserXpetVarpet: WP:CANVASSING [56] is not allowed either. Also, what's the point of coming here if you're gonna ignore what I've said anyway? --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:33, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, have a good day UserXpetVarpet (talk) 23:45, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

i asking you assistance my sir/ma'am

hello Mr/Ms history of iran (sorry for lack of ability to speak english fluently). i just massage you to demand your help and assistanse in subjects related to kurdish history , language and ethnology ,as i saw your activity and conclueded that you are an old and professional editor and experienced in orientalism one of wikipedia editors name "semsuri" activley manuplating articles that have content related to kurdish subjects(direct or indirect) in order to back up kurdish socio_political strategy and goals ; in other words "non_scientific purposes", there is many examples that i see from him and the latest(3 month ego in article name "kurds" ) removed sourced content that explains differnce between languages spoken by kurds and deduce their difference as different as German and english ( he probably removed this sentences in order to keep introducing kurdish identity as unified and inseparable ) as i personally not able to fix this manipualtions i kindly ask you sir/ma'am , that keep your eyes on this editor and fix this deep and various manipulations

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Javansir clan

Please enlighten me, this is hard to understand. Khurshidbanu Natavan, who is from the Javanshir clan, is considered Azerbaijani in the English wikipedia So why is the Javanshir clan not considered Azerbaijani? They are descended from Afshar, yes, Afshars are already a sub-branch of Azerbaijani Turks (which is accepted as such in English wikipedia) Afshar dialect is considered as the dialect of Azerbaijani language. In short, the lineage of Javanshir continues even now, so why don't you allow writing Azerbaijani? Indeed, Wikipedia should be impartial. Aydın memmedov2000 (talk) 16:56, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

Just because it says something in one article, doesn't mean it still in the other, per WP:OTHER. Wikipedia should be impertial indeed, which is why you got reverted twice. Once again, I refer you to the edit summary of the user who previously as well as the lede of Afshar people. --HistoryofIran (talk) 17:36, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

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Khosrow Khan Gorji

Hello! I’m new here so thank you for any advice you can give, but I was curious about your reversion of the Armenian name added to this. Article. I realize that Armenian was not the official language of the place and time he lived, but as the son of an Armenian priest (per the source listed on the article), would Armenian not the the appropriate language of his birth name? Is there a particular style guide that delineates when a persons name in their native tongue should or should not be included in an article? Thanks so much!

-Evansknight (talk) 04:07, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi Evansknight, and welcome to Wikipedia. That's because it had no relevance/role in his life from what we know. See MOS:LEAD. --HistoryofIran (talk) 11:33, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Then why give his original Armenian name in the first place, in Latin characters? Im still trying to figure things out, and it seems like there is no real rhyme or reason to when and why names are written in their native language vs. when they are not. I've also noticed a huge discrepancy in the way the certain things are transliterated into English from Persian and I wondered if there was a specific style guide for that? In particular, ol-dowleh/ed-dowleh/al-duleh/al-daula. ol-Dowleh is the transliteration I am most familiar with, but it seems all over the place on wikipedia. Thanks! - Evansknight (talk) 15:11, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Because that was his original name, and written in Latin characters so we can read it. His Persian name wasn't written in Latin characters either. As for transliterations into Persian from English, that really depends on the time period and the source. During the medieval era, sources tend to use 'al-daula/al-dawla', and the other variants usually from around the Safavid era and after. --HistoryofIran (talk) 15:18, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. I think I understand that, and I appreciate you taking the time to explain it to me. Speaking of his Persian name, would it not be appropriate for that to be added to the article? I don't want to touch anything again without clarifying, and it seems like there is some discrepancy on articles about whether the Persian name is rendered in Persian as well as Latin script. -Evansknight (talk) 16:09, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Happy to be of help. Yup, it would. --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:20, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Lede

Just to make sure I conveyed my message correctly, I don't support removing the Persian name entirely from the lede, just the Persian script. Sources don't commonly include it at all, only the transliteration, and accordingly I think it should be given along with the fuller treatment of the name in the main text. If you don't support it I won't insist on it for now. Avilich (talk) 15:57, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Actually, now that I see it, you did the exact reverse, moving the transliteration down the text. I don't see how this helps the average reader. Avilich (talk) 16:00, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Like any other article, we usually add the script of the relevant language in the persons lifetime. I don't see why the Old Persian script should be an exception. Sources commonly don't include scripts, be it Old Persian or another script. I removed the transliteration to reach a medium with you, since you said that the lede was being filled with too much of such stuff. Re-added it. --HistoryofIran (talk) 16:03, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Yes, that's why the script would still be there, but there's nothing mandating that it be placed at the very beginning, where the reader first bats the eye. The lede is supposed to give a brief introduction, and, when it gets too long, a script which is completely foreign to most English speakers should be the first thing to be moved elsewhere. If sources don't usually include the Persian script (this one gives all names, except the Greek ones, in the Latin alphabet), it means that it's not as informative, and so it can be mentioned someplace other than the introduction. Avilich (talk) 17:55, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

If sources don't usually include the Persian script (this one gives all names, except the Greek ones, in the Latin alphabet), it means that it's not as informative, and so it can be mentioned someplace other than the introduction. According to whom? Also, I disagree with the lede being too long, and I'm even usually the first to point out such stuff. It also goes without saying that the Old Persian script is important to have in an article about the Achaemenid Empire. Moreover, it's just a few words - with all due respect, is it really that groundbreaking for the readibility of the lede? We have GA and even FA articles with ledes akin to this, and whose script should also be removed if we were to go by your suggestion. --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:24, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

First of all, I never said it needs to be 'removed', just moved down, and I don't even support doing this with most Persian-themed articles. My standard is usually one line and a half: if it takes more than than that in the 1st sentence to list all valid spellings, birth and death dates, and names in other languages (the stuff that goes bolded or between parentheses), then it should probably be cleaned up (two full lines until the actual text begins doesn't make for a pleasant read). "Bessus" has a section titled "Name", and I'm still not seeing the issue of having an actual name be mentioned there instead. If the sources don't find the spelling in Persian script immediately irrelevant, it's safe to assume that the average reader in English doesn't necessarily need to be told in the very first sentence about it, depending on the circumstance. Avilich (talk) 21:41, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

By 'removed' I simply meant removed from the lede. Sorry, but my opinion remains the same. --HistoryofIran (talk) 21:53, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Qajar Princes/Officials Inbox style

Would it fall within the style guidelines that y'all use for Qajar related biographies to list governorships in their infoboxes? I know it's hard to find immediate successor and predecessor info, and a lot of what I've found even just cursorily looking has been contradictory. -Evansknight (talk) 19:51, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

I guess that varies a lot. Something specific you're thinking about? --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:28, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, inbox usage on Qajar articles seems kind of sporadic, so I wasn't sure. For instance, Dowlatshah was a section of his article entitled Government positions held, and lists them chronologically. Would it make more sense to include those in his infobox, as I've seen with other individuals. The infobozes for Qajar princes on Persian wikipedia are similarly on-and-off. I don't want to post it on your talk page, but I've got an example of what I mean in my sandbox if you wanted to see a visual rep of what I'm talking about. -Evansknight (talk) 20:49, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Imo, what should be shown in the infobox should be based on its relevance/importance to the whole career of x person. But if we don't have enough information either I generally don't think it should be added, as it would make it look incomplete/messy. I don't really know much about Dowlatshah, so that's up to you. Qajar history is well-recorded, I'm sure you can find some of his governor predecessors and successors somewhere, such as here [57]. I hope I'm making sense lol. --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:56, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Absolutely you are, and you're right, Iranica is a GOLDMINE for obscure political information otherwise difficult to find in English sources. I know that you all put a lot of work into the Persian history pages, so I don't want to waltz in and start editing willy-nilly without first getting a good idea of how you all like to do things, and like things to be. I'd love to just perform basic maintenance like adding names in Persian when appropriate, I work well when I have a simple and repetitive task that other people usually find annoying. As with the Sayf ol-Dowleh page, I'd also like to assist in copyediting and grammar/syntax improvement if I can. I guess I just want to know in what wayI can be of most use to the wikiproject without getting in the way? -Evansknight (talk) 21:26, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Remember, neither me nor anyone else for that matter own anything here. I'm not really used to help people here (xd), but I will gladly try my best, feel free to write to me if there's anything. --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:07, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Of course, I understand. Collaborative means collaborative. I just see all of the incredible work that you and the other members of the Iran wiki project put into your edits and articles and I would hate to make a nuisance of myself by making changes or proposing things without running it by people who have years more experience than I do. I appreciate any advice you have, and I promise I won't bother you too much. -Evansknight (talk) 15:17, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Please help

Hello brother, there is a pan turk user in wikipedia (jddw3) he frequently changed my photo in (ethnics groups in Afghanistan) english page and has uploded a wrong map used by CIA agency because of political Issues to Minimize tajik population, fore example according to naval postgraduate school balkh province of Afghanistan is a province with tajik majority but in that map uzbeks are!!!!! I can not changed that photo to the Previous one, please do that i can't my photo i uploded was based on Al-Jazeera report, please help. Thank you 5644Khorasani (talk) 09:45, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

No, need i fixed it. Thank you 5644Khorasani (talk) 12:04, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Battle of Khushab

Appears to be a withdrawing action by the Brits which was blocked by the Persians. The Persians lost allowing the Brits to continue withdrawing to the coast. Will post a source when I get off work. --Kansas Bear (talk) 20:47, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

• "On February 7, 1857, the British defeated the Iranian army under Khanlar Mirza at Khushab (Khoosh-Ab) but did not pursue..." --Conflict and Conquest in the Islamic World: A Historical Encyclopedia, Volume 1, Alexander Mikaberidze. page 106.

• "On February 7, 1857, enroute to Bushire, a Persian force of some 8,000 men under Khanlar Mirza attempts to block Outram's force of 4,600 men at Khushab. Although the British have only some 400 cavalry to 2,000 for the Persians, the British cavalry charges the Persian infantry, and the British go on to win a major victory..."--A Global Chronology of Conflict: From the Ancient World to the Modern Middle East, Spencer C. Tucker, Vol 3, page 1221. --Kansas Bear (talk) 21:43, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

@Kansas Bear: Noice, I've added them [58]. --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:51, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

March 2022

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Points to note:

1. Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
2. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. --Hsynylmztr (talk) 13:49, 7 March 2022 (UTC)