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User:Acouillard

• User:Acouillard is vandalizing again. -- Curps 04:48, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)
• An admin blocked him indefinitely. -- Curps 05:31, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)

70.48.88.110 — return of Acouillard?

• (70.48.88.110 | talk | contributions) -- Curps 01:56, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
  • It's not quite the same style. Acouillard would delete whole sections, usually starting from the cross-language links at the end of an article and working backwards. 70.48.88.110 is making rather smaller, sometimes partial word, edits. I'll check the contributions again in a couple of days to see whether anything further has developed. Uncle G 22:12, 2005 Jan 20 (UTC)

Cervinia

• Hi there, thanks for fixing up the copyvio template. It's always great to see someone around who catches my brainless typos :P -- Ferkelparade π 00:04, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)
  • My pleasure. But there's no need to thank me. Uncle G 22:12, 2005 Jan 20 (UTC)

Two Finger Test

• Supercool Dude has reverted it, in abbreviated form. Rather than get into an edit war, you might just want to change your vote at Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Two Finger Test. -- Curps 02:40, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Swing Out Sister

• Irrelevant. *This* band didn't win a Grammy. It is a thing that we here in the business like to call "an example". It was intended merely to point out the untruth of your blithe assertion that "if the band took its name from the movie, the movie is notable." Since bands have been known to name themselves after hated childhood gym teachers and drug dealer's cats, your presumption that the only kind of movie a band would name themselves after must be a notable one is incorrect. The arrogance of assuming that the movie must be more notable than the band shows, mostly, that you don't do the faintest bit of investigation before instituting your big sweeping changes; don't you think that it's odd that a movie that's so (assumed to be) notable has yet to get 5 votes on IMDB? -- Antaeus Feldspar 19:04, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)
  • It's actually what we here in the business call "irrelevant", as I did. This band didn't win a grammy, so a comparison with a situation where a band did win a Grammy is a false one. And of course I nowhere said that the movie is more notable than the band. My exact words from the edit history, were "If the band took its name from the movie, the movie is notable.". I added a cleanup tag, one of the ones that asks for the article to be expanded, to the band at the point where the article merely said that "A count of heads of fans in America on the Internet is only about 450 people.". As for the "big sweeping changes", they were in fact nothing more than an ordinary type 1 disambiguation between a band and a movie of the same name, using the conventional Infobox_Movie layout for the movie section. Upon the discovery of a comma, I turned it into a type 2 disambiguation. Uncle G 19:21, 2005 Mar 8 (UTC)
  • I'm to have to concur with Antaeus Feldspar that your holier-than-thou, "big sweeping changes" that are almost always votes for delete can be quite annoying. I don't think you do much investigation and, when you do, it is based on faulty methods that only examine evidence supporting your preconceived notions. --YHoshua 19:32, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
    • You, YHoshua are, of course the Joshua Claybourn whom I questioned the notability of at Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Joshua Claybourn, coming here bearing a grudge and latching on to the only negative comment that you could find. My edit record, which involves a very wide range of things, not solely VFD, speaks for itself, of course, and belies your "almost always votes for delete" assertion entirely. Using a sample size of 1, the article about you, is a very poor methodology. Uncle G 19:21, 2005 Mar 8 (UTC)

Secondary modern school

Thanks

• Just to say though that I don't like necessarily to have everything linked and especially dates. There's no reason to link dates normally. Also British people use double quotes for direct quotes, although I know you can use both. WikiUser 21:48, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
  • I don't like necessarily to have everything linked and especially dates — There are very good reasons to wikify (It's not solely linking.) dates:
    • A wikified date ([[January 21]][[2005]]) will be represented in the reader's choice of date format.
    • A wikified year ([[2005]]) will link to the relevant year article. Not only does this allow readers to determine what else of note happened on the same year, it also allows them to use "What links here" to find out what articles (That have been wikified.) mention that year.
    • A wikified day of the year ([[January 21]]) allows readers to similarly check notable birthdays, anniversaries, and so forth.
  • British people use double quotes — Since it was your single quotes that I changed to double quotes, in line with the Wikipedia style guidelines, I have to assume that at least one British person does not use double quotes. Uncle G 22:49, 2005 Jan 21 (UTC)

RE: Overenthusiasm with {{delete}}

• I draw your attention to the following from Wikipedia:patent nonsense:
  • The following, while often regrettable, are not patent nonsense. Check the Deletion policy for information on how to handle these things:
    • Really poorly written stuff (See Why Aren't These Pages Copy-edited?)
• Please familiarise yourself with the CSD rules. Uncle G 02:48, 2005 Jan 22 (UTC)

• Uncle G I am aware of these rules. Some leeway should be given with interpretation of rules and I still believe that the article in question is borderline nonsense. My original question to you was why are you seeking to protect this article from a speedy delete. Is it just that you want to blindly follow the rules without any interpretation?
  • Your so-called "interpretation" stretches the rules beyond their breaking point. The CSD criteria are deliberately narrow precisely so that articles like this do not get speedily deleted. The article was not nonsense, much less patent nonsense. I did make this quite clear when I unspeedied the article (my exact words being "It isn't nonsense, nor is it random words."), so your original question was answered before it was even asked. I even replaced the speedy deletion notice with a VFD notice an explained a second time there that it wasn't nonsense. Uncle G 19:21, 2005 Mar 8 (UTC)
• Many articles that make more sense than this article get deleted by admins, so obviously it is not just me that believes that the rules are open to some interpretation.
  • It may well be that you are not the only one that takes shortcuts in this manner. That doesn't make it correct to do so. Uncle G 19:21, 2005 Mar 8 (UTC)
• If you look at my history you will see that I am not somebody who just sets every article they think should be deleted to a speedy. I use the VFD process when I believe that it is appropriate.
• One final point, you may want to reconsider phrasing your edit comments to make them less "assertive". I feel that such phrasing can only be counter-productive. TigerShark 10:53, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)
  • When you change a VFD back to a speedy deletion, even when the VFD discussion page explains why the article does not match the speedy deletion criteria, then a comment of "READ THE VFD PAGE", seems eminently called for. Uncle G 19:21, 2005 Mar 8 (UTC)

Thanks for the fix!

Thanks for fixing the User:.0/ Uncle G, I'd have never have been able to do it! .0

Userfy

• Along with your vote on Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/João Vieira, I noticed that you wrote:

  If no source for the information on this page other than User:Jvieira xemself can be found, then Userfy. Uncle G 15:27, 2005 Jan 28 (UTC)

• May I ask what you meant by "Userfy?" Thanks, -Willmcw 10:19, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • It's one of the Wikipedia:votes for deletion phrases. Uncle G 11:25, 2005 Feb 5 (UTC)
• Thanks - I hadn't seen that one before, or the list. I don't go to VfD very often, partly because it seems as if I always vote for Delete. Cheers, -Willmcw 18:18, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Vfd "vandalism" on Immune system

• Can Vfd be made my anon-users?--ZayZayEM 14:28, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • Yes. I've even seen such nominations succeed. They can also vote, assertions to the contrary notwithstanding. Being anonymous is not of itself evidence of bad faith. Hundreds of people make hundreds of good faith anonymous contributions to Wikipedia every day, and that occasionally includes VFD nominations and votes. (And remember that you and I are ourselves merely pseudonymous, which isn't that much different.) Anonymity merely lends weight to other evidence of bad faith. Uncle G 14:40, 2005 Feb 6 (UTC)

editing others edits

• You're going way overboard with your "no personal attacks" edits. Please slow down and discuss. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 04:00, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • No, I'm not. They are exactly as per the Wikipedia:Remove personal attacks remedy. I wouldn't have done anything had I been the only onlooker to adjudge these to be contraventions of the Wikipedia:no personal attacks policy. But I'm clearly not the only one. Uncle G 04:09, 2005 Feb 8 (UTC)
    • It's somehow a personal attack to say something should not have been nominated? It's somehow a personal attack to refer to a rude and thoughtless comment as rude and thoughtless? Please consider the chilling effect your broad brush interpretation of personal attacks might have on discourse. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 04:26, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
      • It is a personal attack to say "Should not have been nominated. A thoughtless waste of other users time.". I thought about removing just the second sentence, but the first sentence does not stand without it. And the echoing "rude and thoughtless" in the reply was refactored exactly as per Wikipedia:Remove personal attacks guidelines on simmering down both sides of the discussion. Policy recommends that both the attack and the response(s) in kind be refactored. I suggest that you refresh your memory of Wikipedia:Remove personal attacks.
        You may want the original attacks and the resultant counter-attacks to stand for all to see, contrary to policy, but I assure you that you will not be doing VFD any favours by doing so. There have been other recent murmurings in this same direction, and by preventing people from putting a lid on it now, and redirecting the discussion back to the task at hand, you're going to allow the situation to deteriorate yet further in future.
        And as for "chilling effect": Exactly the opposite is true. It's the personal attacks that are disrupting the discourse, as is plainly evident from the fact that people have stopped talking about the article pretty much completely, not their absence. I suggest that you consider the reasoning put forth in Wikipedia:no personal attacks. Uncle G 04:09, 2005 Feb 8 (UTC)
        • OK. Refreshing my memory about Wikipedia:Remove personal attacks finds this little detail that you may have overlooked: Following is a policy proposal regarding removing personal attacks from discussions. This proposal is not currently policy. (Besides, regarding the article in question, there's nothing to discuss anymore; what we actually need is a quick-removal-from-VfD policy.) --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 05:07, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
          • That is somewhat disingenuous, given that the same paragraph then goes on to state that the arbitration committee has suggested that people apply it, and that the page is categorized as Wikipedia:semi-policy. Given that you edited them back in, it is really you who should be answering the questions here. Why did you add these personal attacks? Uncle G 19:21, 2005 Mar 8 (UTC)

your user page

• Just out of curiosity, did you know your user page redirects to Talk:Euroscience? Gamaliel 20:00, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • I know lots of things. I know that adminstrators don't patrol Wikipedia:Speedy deletions regularly. I know that, contrary to what one is told, it's actually quite difficult for a user to get rid of a page in xyr user space that xe doesn't want, even when xe is the sole editor of that page. I also know that you didn't see the edit history of the page, and notice that I was the one who in fact created that redirect, when I moved a page, that some anonymous user had created, to the page where xe should have created it. ☺ Uncle G 19:21, 2005 Mar 8 (UTC)

• You don't need to have the redirect deleted (unless you don't want anything there at all); you can edit a redirect (like I just did, to add the {rfd} tag). You can blank it, or whatever you want. Noel (talk) 22:23, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC) PS: I don't usually check other User_talk: pages (so that I don't have to monitor a whole long list of User_Talk: pages - one for each person with whom I am having a "conversation"), so please leave any messages for me on my talk page (above); if you leave a message for me here I probably will not see it. I know not everyone uses this style (they would rather keep all the text of a thread in one place), but I simply can't monitor all the User_talk: pages I leave messages on. Thanks!
  • I stuck deletion notices on the page, listed it at Wikipedia:Speedy deletions, listed it at WP:RFD, explicitly wrote "unwanted user page", and people still questioned whether I actually wanted the page deleted! ☺ Uncle G 19:21, 2005 Mar 8 (UTC)

Voting in the standard manner

If you vote "support", it is unclear whether you are supporting the page's existence or the deletion nomination, and it makes it difficult for administrators to tally the votes. Use one of the standard votes listed at Wikipedia:Votes for deletion phrases instead, and your vote will be clear to all. Uncle G 13:55, 2005 Feb 11 (UTC)

Apologies, I will use one of the approved phrases from now on. As I proposed the Vfd I thought it was pretty obvious that 'Support' meant support the proposal to delete! However, I am more than happy to use a different word to avoid confusion. Cheers --Etimbo | Talk 14:32, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

cleanup-importance

• Thanks for your tip to Category:Wikipedia articles of dubious importance! I rewrote Stacey Farber, which you'd tagged there, and will continue to watch it. Samaritan 18:12, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
• Just as a heads-up -- David Gerard hates that tag, because even though it's obvious that only a very small minority of Wikipedians do not care at all about anything but verifiability, Wikipedia:Importance is still not formally policy. So he hates the tag and shortly after its introduction he went through the entire category and removed the tag from every single article it was placed on. That's why I created Template:Explain significance and have been using that instead -- David may be able to argue that Wikipedians' concerns about importance deserve to be removed if they are posing as official policy, but he'd have a harder time arguing that articles are not improved by better explaining the importance or significance of the subject, or that Wikipedians should not be allowed to ask for such improvement. -- Antaeus Feldspar 19:00, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • I know. I saw the blanket removal. I re-added the tag on some articles. Much as he may hate the tag, I think that it's only fair to tell contributors what notability is and to warn contributors that if they don't establish it a VFD is only a short time away. His concerns about policy notwithstanding, that is what actually, inevitably, happens in practice. With the tag, contributors at least have the opportunity to clean the articles up to avoid that. Uncle G 20:52, 2005 Feb 11 (UTC)

Dunlop disambig

Thank you for your work on this article. I'm still a newbie and felt inadequate to clear it all up. Excellent job and a model for me in the future. hydnjo talk 01:21, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Liver bird

I'm impressed! I write a stub to start an article, and less than 15 minutes later there's a redirect to it! Quick work! Grutness|^hello? 10:44, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

• As others have said before me: Never underestimate the power of New Page Patrol. Uncle G 11:17, 2005 Feb 14 (UTC)

Andrew Cohen

Now Andries' Andrew Cohen stub has turned into an author bio by our anonymous Cohenite.--Goethean 20:59, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Dead end pages

Hi there! Since you're one of the most experienced Wikipedians I've come across, I'd like your opinion on something... I've been reading a lot of dead end pages lately, and from what I've understood, once a page is categorized (e.g. bio-stub, or category:video games, or possibly vfd), that page is no longer a dead end and should be removed from the list. SimonP disagrees; he claims that pages are unlikely to be read from *-stub and thus they should remain on DEP until they are valid articles, and he claims to read every DEP article every day to remove those that are. Do you know if there's a consensual policy on this? (see my and his talk page for our discussion on this topic) Thanks for your time. Radiant! 09:33, Feb 16, 2005 (UTC)

Merging

Yeah, ordinarily I would just merge it. The problem is tha User:John Gohde, a user who has been twice banned by the arbcom for his edit warring, camps that page and reverts... more or less any change that isn't his, actually. It's nearly impossible to edit that or any other page related to alternative health without a binding vote of one kind or another. Snowspinner 14:02, Feb 17, 2005 (UTC)

Knee-jerk reversions

Not every edit to "your" articles is vandalism that is to be reverted on sight, you know. OAEP is a redirect to Optimal Asymmetric Encryption Padding, as per the article naming conventions on acronyms, and I'm just snapping the redirects to save time when OAEP becomes a disambiguation page, as it surely will (c.f. SSL). By reverting, you are simply making work for other editors to do, re-doing all of what I've just done, down the road. If you want to not display the full article name in the link, then please extend your editing skills by learning to make piped links, in addition to knowing how to hit that revert button. Please also learn the correct procedure, given at WP:CP, for putting up copyright violation notices. I fixed your notice at Optimal Asymmetric Encryption Padding to be in the correct form, and did the listing for you, but it was just luck that I happened to be on patrol at the time and spotted the page. Again, please don't make work for other editors. Uncle G 20:12, 2005 Feb 18 (UTC)

Hi UncleG. I have to say that this message is rather hostile. Sorry if I've offended you, but I think you're being rather unfair. First: "Knee-jerk reversions" — not so, I resisted any impulse to do it straight away and waited a few hours. Second: I don't consider articles to be "mine"; while I do spend a lot of time editing crypto articles, I'd prefer have more people working on these articles, and I'm always willing to discuss things. Third: I'm aware that we have a procedure for noting copyvios. However, I noticed it last thing at night (1am) and was too tired to go through the procedure. Rather than forgetting about it, I added a harmless comment to the page, to save me having to dig up the link again the following morning, and then promptly crashed into bed. It's good that you saved me the trouble, but it would have got done anyway. Fourth: I am aware of how to use the piped link syntax. Fifth: I believe that OAEP should either be the name of the page on the padding-topic, or redirect Optimal Asymmetric Encryption Padding. I don't imagine there's a need for equal disambiguation here, even if we should get other "OAEP" topics at some point. Sixth: The reason I reverted your changes is that we likely want the text to say "OAEP" — I believe it's mostly used in acronym form, like NASA. Before your change they did this; now they don't — I suggest they be changed back. It seems you didn't take kindly to being reverted, but I figured you wouldn't be particularly interested given that the page in question is going to be deleted soon, anyway. — Matt Crypto 21:26, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

VfD debates

• Please don't close the debates, as that is the job for an administrator to review the debate and close it. Also, if you do, please do not forget to sign your name. -- AllyUnion (talk) 04:03, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • I'm only closing the ones where the conclusion has been unequivocally and uncontestedly speedy delete, with enough people agreeing upon speedy deletion that had it gone through the speedy process it would never have hit VFD in the first place, and the article has actually been deleted. Uncle G 11:10, 2005 Feb 19 (UTC)
    • Only close speedy deletions after they have been deleted by an administrator. If they haven't been speedied yet, then the debate is still open, and subject to VfD. -- AllyUnion (talk) 00:53, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
      • I refer you to the last 7 words of what I wrote above. Wasn't the emphasised "and" clear enough? Wasn't the fact that all of my closures have (deliberately, in an attempt to head off exactly this sort of discussion) quoted one or more entries from the deletion log clear enough? I find it disappointing that in WP:AN#Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion_and_speedy_deletions you remind administrators that they've been forgetting to edit the VFD pages when they speedily delete a VFD candidate, and then when someone helpfully does this, tidying up after the administrators who forget, you complain. Furthermore: Who was it who just proposed Assume good faith to be given "official policy" status? Uncle G 02:20, 2005 Feb 21 (UTC)
        • I happen to find an article which you closed, which wasn't deleted. Okay? It may have been overlooked if an administrator wasn't paying attention, and I'm only advising caution. Fortunately, I deleted on your behalf, which is why I notified you about it. I asked for administrators to mark it close, because those administrators who are paying attention to the speedy deletion candidates may not be paying attention to VFD candidates... as they have the power to delete articles. I thank you for your assistance, it is appreciated, but I'm asking you to follow procedure. It is okay for anyone to add the close notice for any VFD article that has already been deleted, as I specified. Furthermore, {{subst:vfd top}} is placed above the section. And, I was very specific: if you see it meets any of the speedy criteria and have already deleted the page. I was asking to add the notice once the page was deleted. I saw the page you placed the notice wasn't deleted. -- AllyUnion (talk) 05:33, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
          • No, that's not OK. It's a falsehood, in two ways:
            1. Checking my contribution history for the word "close" I find that I've closed 6 VFD debates so far, 5 as speedy deletions, and the other 1 as Userfy. All of them were closed after the actions were taken. I know this because I know that it was their titles being redlinks in a list of blue, with comments saying "speedy delete", that caused me to even edit those discussion pages in the first place. You should know this because the evidence was staring you in the face. As I've already said, I put it there to head off exactly this sort of false accusation. On 4 of those 5 I pasted in the very deletion log entries. On the 5th, Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Samuel Baker White, I forgot to do so, but a simple cross-check of the VFD discussion edit history with the deletion log shows that I closed the discussion on 2005-02-17 00:54, which was after Dpbsmith deleted the article on 2005-02-16 18:31 (the previous day, no less!). Again, you demonstrate the irony of nominating Assume good faith to "official policy" status. Rather than assuming good faith on my part, with my contribution history of more than a thousand good-faith edits, you assumed good faith on the parts of the creators of the speedily deleted articles (assuming, for starters, that they didn't simply mischievously re-create the speedily deleted articles after they were first speedily deleted and the discussions then closed by me — even though at least one closure, Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/Hilary_Mutch, showed authors re-creating speedily deleted articles). You might do well to ask yourself whose good faith it would have been the more logical to assume.
            2. I can find no evidence that in fact you did delete any article on my behalf, as you state. Your first comment here is dated 2005-02-19 04:03. The deletion log shows no deletions at all by you on that day or on the day before. And your deletions on the day before that were all your own closures. Please name the article that you claim to have deleted.
          • I expect an apology forthwith. Uncle G 13:48, 2005 Feb 23 (UTC)

High school issue

Hello! I've been wondering about something... the most prominent thing that regulargly gets VfD readers into, well, shouting matches, is the issue of high schools. I believe that you'd agree that high school (or primary school) is not inherently encyclopedic. Yet several people vehemently disagree, and it seems likely that high school articles (and lists thereof) will continue to get added. So I figured that maybe such articles need another venue.

Would you think it feasible to call for transwikiing of high school articles, and related ones? And if so, where? Of the existing Wiki projects, the most appropriate one seems WikiTravel. But on Metawiki, there is talk of Wikiteer, which is to include extensive geographical and sociological information, but doesn't exist yet.

I'd like to hear your opinion on this. I've asked the same question of a couple of other users, so please respond on User talk:Radiant!/Schools. Thank you. Radiant! 14:33, Feb 23, 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/Argentine_Currency_Board

• I have noticed your thoughtful contributions to VfD (both ways!). Could I trouble you to take a look at Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/Argentine_Currency_Board. I am not lobbying for your vote either way, but no-one seems to be looking at this one(perhaps because it is a long article, and fairly technical), and I do believe it is worthy of some serious consideration. Thanks. HowardB 03:18, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • Thank you for the compliment. I'm afraid that I'm right in the middle of a big Wiktionarification project right now, as you can see from my contribution histories here and on Wiktionary. I'll try to get back to the article later. Uncle G 12:25, 2005 Feb 26 (UTC)

lists of foreign words

• I see you are adding templates to the lists of foreign words, asking that the lists be shrunk and removed. I like that idea much better than deleting the articles. Afterall, there are plenty of encyclopedic stuff to say about the history and etymology and linguistics of vocabulary moving from language to language without providing a list. It seems that your approach is best; change these lists into encyclopedia articles, move the rest to wiktionary. Should I try to undelete the latin list so that it can be subjected to the same treatment? -Lethe | Talk 12:04, Feb 26, 2005 (UTC)
  • I was thinking about that, too. At the moment Wiktionary:Category:Latin derivations is rather bare. ☺ As I recall, it is rather a long list. See List of English words of Polish origin and List of English words of Hawaiian origin, by the way. Uncle G 12:25, 2005 Feb 26 (UTC)

Copyvio lag times

Thanks a lot for giving a good link to read on this topic. I'm more calm now. Although, it's a pity, that these times don't work very well in practice. Cmapm 16:13, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Rutgers redirect

• It would have been nice of you to discuss your hijacking of Rutgers which was a redirect pointing to the predominant usage of the word in order to obtain consensus from the Rutgers University article's contributors. I will be reverting your misguided disambiguation later this evening. —ExplorerCDT 18:29, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • The "Rutgers University article's contributors" are at Rutgers University, and always have been, not at Rutgers. And this was not "hijacking", it was a perfectly ordinary change of an article for an abbreviation from a redirect to a disambiguation once the abbreviation became the abbreviation for more than one thing, something that happens all of the time here. The misguided act will be your intended reversion. I suggest that instead of doing that you re-familiarise yourself with Wikipedia:Naming conventions (precision) and Wikipedia:Disambiguation, and open your eyes and take a look around, outside of the one little corner of Wikipedia that houses your alma mater, at articles like Saint John, Darwin, Churchill, Pembroke, and the numerous other examples that can be found, and learn how surnames/placenames and the abbreviations of the names of multiple educational instutions are routinely disambiguated around here. Heck, you could have not wasted your and my time by simply remembering Queen's College. Uncle G 20:22, 2005 Mar 1 (UTC)
    • You went about it the wrong way. Also, it doesn't look good in your corner by removing negative comments from your talk page just out of fear that you'll look bad. Thanks to Tony Sidaway, your misguided edit at Rutgers was correctly addressed the way I would have this evening. —ExplorerCDT 21:32, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
      • You went about it the wrong way. — Rubbish. I went about it the same way that it had been gone about in all of those other cases. being bold doesn't require people to "ask permission" of a group of people on a completely different page before putting in a perfectly normal name disambiguation. Uncle G 19:21, 2005 Mar 8 (UTC)
      • it doesn't look good in your corner by removing negative comments from your talk page just out of fear that you'll look bad. — Since I'm the one with the talk page going all of the way back to when I first started, and you're the one with "I blank my talk page each month, as is my prerogative" and "If someone wants an archive, their needs are assuaged through a simple search through the history listing and it's up to them to find what I've cleared out" at the top of your talk page, I have to suspect that you are erroneously projecting your own motives onto me. I moved the conversation to your talk page from mine for probably the same reason that Matt Crypto moved a comment from his talk page to mine, above: conversation. Uncle G 19:21, 2005 Mar 8 (UTC)
      • Thanks to Tony Sidaway, your misguided edit [...] was correctly addressed the way I would have this evening. — Again, it was your idea of reversion ("I will be reverting") that was misguided. That wasn't what Tony Sidaway did at all, of course. He simply turned a type 2 disambiguation into a type 3 disambiguation. That, of course, wasn't the "reverting" that you were talking about at all. Uncle G 19:21, 2005 Mar 8 (UTC)

Dictionaries

Help! Xe's putting all of the dictionaries back in. Uncle G 19:09, 2005 Mar 3 (UTC)

• Er, yes. I'd be happy to help, but how exactly do you propose I do that? And who's Xe? Radiant! 22:15, Mar 3, 2005 (UTC)
  • Ah, I thought it was a user name :) I'd seen the Spivaks but I was unaware that there are actually multiple standards for gender-neutral phrasing. Out of curiosity what would then be the gn-form of history? (given that herstory is already a known term - would it be itstory? xestory?) Anyway I'll go and visit the talk page. Radiant! 09:03, Mar 4, 2005 (UTC)

Blocking policy and VFD tally boxes

6 hours is more like a slap on the wrist. The typical blocking time which is suggested is 24 hours. Vandalism has 4 strikes, then the 5 stike is a block. You may suggest an alternative you wish. 4 warnings, then 5th as a block for 24 hours. But one should not attempt avoid established consensus, which is kind of the point for the block. I felt that 24 hours is a bit excessive for something so minor. 6 hours seems more appropriate and warning them with referring to this policy allows them to really make them think. The second warning is a stern warning that they should not disrupt the Wikipedia and that prior consensus has already been decided regarding these tally boxes. -- AllyUnion (talk) 13:14, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)

• It's the notion of blocking this as if it were vandalism that disturbs me. It's disruption, true. But it's not vandalism. Wikipedia:vandalism is emphatic that "stubbornness", and the unwillingness to follow consensus, is not vandalism. Uncle G 19:21, 2005 Mar 8 (UTC)

High school cabal

Hi there! I thought you might be interested in this... there are a number of articles on high schools up for deletion, that had a variety of keep-and-delete votes. However, GRider has been contacting a large amount of people to get them to vote for keeping those schools. So, in the fourth or fifth day of the process, these schools suddenly get a dozen additional keep votes. I'm not sure what to think of this myself, I would like your opinion. Radiant! 17:32, Mar 5, 2005 (UTC)

Quote GRider,

• As of March 4, 2005, the following (7) articles are currently listed for deletion under the POV suggestion that schools are not notable (even though this is invalid reasoning as per the Wikipedia deletion policy. Whether you agree or disagree, please be aware that the following schools are actively being voted on:

• VfD: Canyon Crest Academy
• VfD: Devonport High School for boys
• VfD: Eyuboglu high school
• VfD: Geylang Methodist Secondary School
• VfD: Maha Jana High School
• VfD: Robert Frost Middle School
• VfD: Wood Green School

Thank you for your time. --GRider\^talk

Proper use of Wiki

In Wikipedia:Deletion policy/Teletraffic Engineering#Confirmation, Ian Kennedy admits to using Wikipedia to create an examinable outcome. This has, as yet, provoked very little comment. What is your view? -- RHaworth 20:48, 2005 Mar 7 (UTC)

• I'll have a look later on. Uncle G 19:21, 2005 Mar 8 (UTC)

Babes in the Wood

Greetings. I'm wondering if you'd take a quick look at the rewrite I've done on Babes_in_the_Wood. I based the rewrite in part on your information in the VFD discussion, and I'd be grateful if you'd make sure that, in paraphrasing it, I haven't introduced any errors. I don't know much about the subject other than what you and Google have to tell me, to be honest. If the page does seem to make sense to you now, perhaps you might be willing to reconsider your vote for deletion. Also, Best, --Jacobw 16:40, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Vfding dicdefs already in wiktionary

I want to get those "already in wiktionary" dicdefs out of CSD. I de-tagged most of the ones I don't think should be deleted, is it reasonable to Vfd the rest? I've already done Disfiguration. Kappa 13:47, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)

• If they have been properly transwikied (according to the process described at m:transwiki) then putting them through the origin project's normal deletion process (which for Wikipedia is VFD) would be the final step. Some of them haven't been properly transwikied though, and should remain in Category:Move to Wiktionary with the tag on them, and not be nominated for deletion at all. Some of them aren't transwiki candidates, simply because parallel dictionary articles have grown up independently at Wiktionary. Those latter should be sent to VFD, too (as long as they haven't grown into encyclopaedia articles whilst they've been sitting in the Wiktionary queue, as some have — see how many cases I've closed at Wikipedia:Things to be moved to Wiktionary). Uncle G 14:06, 2005 Mar 17 (UTC)

Wardrobe

What are you planning to do with Wardrobe? Kappa 23:51, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Your userpage does not exist, so...

Hi Uncle G/Archive/2006-01-01, I've noticed that you currently don't have a userpage. Not a problem in itself, but it makes your name appear as a redlink when signing talk pages, or when seen in Special:Recentchanges. Some users feel that lack of a userpage is an indication that a user may be a troll, sockpuppet, or simply a newbie. One simple solution, if you don't want to create a userpage, is to edit your userpage and insert the following:

#REDIRECT [[User talk:Uncle G/Archive/2006-01-01]]

This will make your userpage a redirect to your talk page. If you ever want to create a user page, follow this link:

//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Uncle_G/Archive/2006-01-01&action=edit

Thanks, Alphax ^τεχ PS. Your talk page is getting rather long. 15:39, Mar 18, 2005 (UTC)

• It's getting long in part because of 5 paragraph additions that tell me nothing that I don't know already, and that have already been addressed earlier on the same page. ☺ The correct solution to what you describe is for people to un-learn the false inference that they are making about people with no user pages, just as they should un-learn the similar false inference that they make about contributions from anonymous users. (Some people falsely infer that anonymity brings bad faith, but anonymous users make thousands of good-faith edits to Wikipedia every day.) Uncle G 13:27, 2005 Mar 20 (UTC)

• • Is there any particular reason why you don't have a userpage? If you make it a redirect to your Talk page, it's one less page that someone has to load... Alphax ^τεχ 23:50, Mar 22, 2005 (UTC)

24/7 VFD vote

FYI, if the only reason you voted "keep" at Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/24/7 was because the process hadn't been followed, it now has and you might want to reconsider your vote. Just letting you know. Kevin Rector 17:39, Mar 18, 2005 (UTC)

3S vote

• Ahem. Rad Racer moved 3 S's to Shoot, shovel, and shut up, then expanded the article and removed the VFD notice from it. Saying that "Shoot, shovel, and shut up already exists" is rather bizarre, considering that that is the very article that was nominated for deletion here. Similarly, saying that the article nominated here should be deleted in favour of Shoot, shovel, and shut up is bizarre, considering that that is the article nominated here. If you want to delete 3 S's, the redirect created by Rad Racer, then that's fair enough (although WP:RFD is really the place to discuss it). But please be clear about what article is being discussed for deletion. My keep vote for Shoot, shovel, and shut up stands, by the way. I intended to improve the original article myself, but found when I sat down to do it that Rad Racer had beaten me to it by 20 minutes. Uncle G 08:24, 2005 Mar 19 (UTC)
  • LOL, yeah, I guess I got impatient with the vfd process. I was afraid all those vfd votes against 3S would end up being applied to the new article, and my work would get lost. For a moment there, it looked like no one was going to figure out what was going on. Rad Racer 11:43, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Transwiki Process

Please look at my comments on Category talk:Move to Wiktionary.

Also, please look at Category:Transwikied to Wiktionary and make any changes that you see fit, I'm not good at writing policy and I wrote it at 2 am. Kevin Rector 06:53, Mar 20, 2005 (UTC)

Edit History and my bot

Can you give me an example of a wrong comment please. Kevin Rector 03:15, Mar 22, 2005 (UTC)

• Thanks for pointing that out. There doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason, I've only found 2 pages that were wrong. I'm going through the rest of them to check them out. Kevin Rector 03:29, Mar 22, 2005 (UTC)

VfD/Sar

Hello, Uncle G. You noted on this Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/SAR that it was incomplete, which it was, and you properly got the context and that it was the wrong place to have the debate. Given that the conversation happened on the VfD page anyways, would you care to posit an opinion? I've posted a link to the policy on abbreviations and disambiguation pages that is pretty clear that these should be merged, which shouldn't even have required a discussion to begin with. SchmuckyTheCat 02:19, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

VfD Reinstate

I appreciate you watching out for ICE NKNU by reinstated the VFD notice. Hard to keep those things up sometimes. Thanks. -SocratesJedi | Talk 22:20, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Vfd: List of Words from FP

Just wanted to say, I really appreciate your contribution to Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/List_of_Words_from_Foucault's_Pendulum. Thanks for taking the time to explain the Wiktionary concordance stuff, and the benefits of moving the list there, in such a positive manner. FreplySpang 18:07, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Question on Speedy Deletion

Since you commented on speedy deletion in Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/Matthew Alford, I thought I'd take the opportunity to ask you a question that's concerned me. One of the things that speedy deletion seems to be silent on is slanderous articles about non-notable persons. I've deleted a couple of them on sight, reckoning them to be dangerous to the Wikipedia project and also grossly unfair to the person involved. It's been awhile back, but as I remember, these weren't mild cases - they accused persons by name of perversions, providing addresses and phone numbers, etc. I can rationalize it to myself as deleting nonsense, or deleting vandalism, but I'd feel uncomfortable if challenged on it. Any thoughts? Thanks. Catbar (Brian Rock) 01:53, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

• See the last paragraph of Wikipedia:No legal threats. What "call[ing] to the attention of an administrator and/or the community at large" might mean when one is an administrator, and can delete the article on sight, is tricky. One way of addressing this is to put the article through the normal deletion process, but to immediately refactor the personally identifying material and attacks (such as has been done by Lee M at Homeless Solutions in Edison NJ). If the article would effectively have no content left after the personally identifying material and attacks were refactored, you can probably justify immediate deletion on the grounds that the article proper satisfies speedy deletion criterion #A1. And you can always just remove the material and tag the article for speedy deletion (like the rest of us do ☺) rather than delete it outright if you want a second editor to review and confirm your decision. Uncle G 17:40, 2005 Mar 31 (UTC)

• • Useful ideas. I think the phrase 'not to be tolerated' gives me soolid justification. Cleanup, then ask for backup seems to be very prudent advise, too. Thanks! Catbar (Brian Rock) 22:10, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Moving to Wiktionary

Okay, apparently I just made a lot of work for you, or you did for me, or something, so I wanted to clarify. I'm sure you are the expert here, but this is what I did, in good faith. I searched for articles requested on Wiktionary to see if they had articles on Wikipedia, in which case I added the "move to wiktionary" tag. (e.g. carrion, carmelization, breakdancing, etc) Then you went through and removed the tags saying they were encyclopedic. It was my understanding that if a word is needed at wiktionary, we could just take the encyclopedia article and glean the definition of the term from it. After all, in order to be an encyclopedia article, it must define the term somewhere, usually the first sentence or the lead section. I think you are getting caught up in thinking the tag means I think the article is unencyclopedic, when really all I wanted was for their definitions which were in the context of an encyclopeic article to also be at wiktionary. What is wrong with this? --Dmcdevit 18:52, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

• I didn't doubt your good intentions. It wasn't until Talk:Bestseller that I figured out what you were doing. It's a lot more work to transwiki an encyclopaedia article (including all of the various log edits, the tagging, and the cleanup at the Wiktionary end) than it is to simply write a good stub at Wiktionary from scratch. It works a lot better to reserve the transwikification process to those articles that have content worth saving. (You'll notice that in some of my recent VFD submissions I didn't bother to transwiki the article, but simply wrote a fresh Wiktionary article of my own devising at Wiktionary from scratch. This is for similar reasons. The effort of transwikification exceeded the effort of simply growing a Wiktionary article independently and directly.) If you don't want to write the stubs, then make a Wiktionary page of redlinks, as I described at Talk:Bestseller. Uncle G 19:12, 2005 Apr 3 (UTC)
  • Yup, I see your point. Sorry again. --Dmcdevit 19:20, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Admin?

Hi there! I came across the list of admins, and was very surprised to see that you're not on there, given your knowledge of wikicedures and transwikefaction and everything. Would you like me to nominate you? Radiant_* 13:36, Apr 6, 2005 (UTC)

• I could have sworn that someone has made this very comment before. But I cannot find it. I don't regard administratorship as being some sort of élite club. In fact I've sometimes wondered whether "trustie" would be a more apt term than "administrator". Because the rôle is all about being entrusted with extra tools. So it's irrelevant whether I'd like to be nominated. What are important are whether you think that I can be trusted with the abilities to delete/undelete/protect/unprotect articles and block/unblock users; and whether giving me those tools will benefit the encyclopædia. I certainly cannot decide the former for you. As for the latter: I've not yet been in a position where the ability to block users or to protect pages myself would have been useful; and I don't forsee any need for me to be able to run SQL queries. ☺ However, maybe my having the ability to delete pages would benefit the encyclopædia. I tried to think of a case where the encyclopædia would have benefited had I had the ability. (It's not something that I find particularly lacking when doing New Page Patrol, for example.) After much thought, during which I almost came to the conclusion that there would be no benefit to be had at all, I came up with one. If I had had it, I probably would have pitched right in to help clear the backlog at WP:CP that built up a while back. Uncle G 15:50, 2005 Apr 8 (UTC)
  • Okay, let me paraphrase that. I do feel you can be trusted with said tools, and I'm sure you'll be as beneficial to the 'pedia with them as you have been without them. When I said "would you like me to nominate you" what I meant was "I think you would make a good admin and would like to nominate you as such, but I wanted to ask first if you'd accept it." If I understand your response correctly, that would be a 'yes'. Radiant_* 09:37, Apr 9, 2005 (UTC) - see Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Uncle G

Could you go to the Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Uncle G page and indicate your acceptance of the nomination, answer the questions, and create (even a minimal) User page? RickK 22:43, Apr 9, 2005 (UTC)

Category:Move to Wiktionary

I have just transwikied a big group of articles to Wiktionary. There are now only 23 ('bout 15) left. I left these because these are the ones that, for whatever reason, I was iffy about. I was wondering if you could look through them sometime in the future and give me your opinion about their merit. I will do the transwiki-ing myself. Thanks for your help (it's because I respect your expertise). And what is to be done about the talk pages and category listed there? --Dmcdevit 04:40, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Speedy delete?

I'm a little puzzled; can you confirm that you want your User page deleted? Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 20:58, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

It is confusing, isn't it? It took some work for me to figure it out, and it was apparently not obvious to you. Stylistic reasons, as it turns out... See Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Uncle G for an explanation, of sorts. --DropDeadGorgias (talk) 01:47, Apr 12, 2005 (UTC)

• On the same lines, if someone helpfully creates a user page for you, do you want it to be tagged for speedy deletion, or should it be left for you to deal with? (I guessed the former, apologies if I'm wrong). Kappa 03:13, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Second Family

Now that is is deleted as neologism, shouldn't it description in the First Lady article removed as well, or at least edited to reflect its uncommon usage? This was the main point of my clumsy question at the VfD with entangled logic (and the very vfd itself): if a term is notable enough to be mentioned in some article, then it deserves at least a redirect there. If it will sit there, sooner or later it comes back unto us, thru multiple mirrors (magic :-). Mikkalai 16:58, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

And by the way, is Second Lady OK to have? Mikkalai 17:01, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

What Wikipedia:WikiProject Rankings project is not

• This is not suggesting a hierarcal system.
• It will be used only by users who want to use it.
• Only ranking will be assigend to users who want to use it.
• The idea ment to make it like barn stars, but based on regular contribution.
• It is currently a prototype, likely that it is nothing like the final version.

I urge you to reconsider your vote based on this clarification. Thanks --Cool Cat ^{My Talk} 08:43, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

User:Dr Zen/keepschools

The discussion on this template on a user subpage has been moved from WP:TFD to WP:VFD as user:Netoholic closed the discussion in its former location with the comment that TfD is only for entries in the Template: namespace. I have taken the liberty of moving your vote from its former location to the present discussion at Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Dr Zen/keepschools. You may of course change your vote or stikethrough it all together in the normal way. To avoid any allegations of vote stacking I am contacting everybody who voted at TfD and Netoholic who closed the discussion, but not anybody who had not already expressed an opinion. Please feel free to disucss this on my talk page. Thryduulf 14:48, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

• Also, please give your opinion on the jurisdiction issue, at Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Proposal. Radiant_* 15:36, Apr 13, 2005 (UTC)

Changing the copyvio template

I've re-worked the copyvio template to address some problems users have mentioned to me. Please take a look at User:Feco/Templates/copyvioDRAFT and tell me what you think. I also posted more detailed info to Template talk:Copyvio Feco 01:40, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

User page

Hi! I see many people (8 till now) have opposed you at WP:RfA, simply because you don't have a user page. I find this controversy unnecessary, but then, it's not really troublesome to create a user page. You can probably put something about what kind of work you do at Wikipedia, or probably some bookmarks. :) utcursch | talk 11:58, Apr 15, 2005 (UTC)

Failing the creation of a user page, would you be willing to copy your explanation from RFA to the top of your talk page (before the TOC), or to a user subpage prominently linked from there? I suspect this would satisfy most of those who are currently neutral or opposing you. It would certainly satisfy me. (I also find it telling that, with one exception, only one person is refraining from supporting you for a different reason than this. I'd have nominated you myself a month ago, had I not seen the thrashing received by previous candidates with minimal or nonexistent user pages.) —Korath (Talk) 21:02, Apr 15, 2005 (UTC)

• Yes. Done. It's a good idea for another reason. It will stop the same question being asked yet again. ☺ Uncle G 17:19, 2005 Apr 16 (UTC)
  • I was receiving the same RFA opposition because I had made my user and talk page links appear red, and had "This space intentionally left blank." on my user page. Unfortunately, it became apparent that I wasn't going to get much support for those reasons, so I gave in, but I still support your effort. --brian0918™ 19:54, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    • I've read your reasons and I think they're very good. But - since you want your edit history as your 'official record', couldn't you simply redirect your userpage to your contribs log? Radiant_* 11:24, Apr 18, 2005 (UTC)
      • That would certainly say what I'm intending to say. The problem is that it doesn't work. I tried it in the sandbox. Apparently redirecting to special pages is currently turned off, just as interwiki redirects currently are. Uncle G 12:31, 2005 Apr 18 (UTC)
        • Hm, interesting. You could go for a userpage with a single [1] link, maybe. It's not entirely blank but still aesthetically pleasing :) Anyway I find the RfA reasoning somewhat disturbing, and it's very tempting to make a support - has a user page vote some time soon. Radiant_* 15:45, Apr 18, 2005 (UTC)

Vanity

Perhaps the 'vanity' tag is meant to be placed on Talk pages rather than articles (though I can think of a number of reasons why it shouldn't be, but never mind) — but there are two parts to that. Why just take it off the article James Longstreet (security) without bothering to place it on the Talk page? Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 23:05, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

• What user's talk page would one place it on? The talk page of an anonymous user who hasn't made any edits since February? How could one be sure that the original author was even still using that IP address, two months later? In any case, the article has survived a VFD since then. See the article's talk page. Uncle G 00:12, 2005 Apr 18 (UTC)

Hello, Uncle. I was going to post a separate note about vanity but found to my surprise that it's a current topic here. In Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Silly Goose Productions, a defendant of that article cites something written within Wikipedia:Vanity page, a page I hadn't previously noticed. Now that I look at it, this part of Wikipedia:Vanity page seems addled, and I've said so on Wikipedia talk:Vanity page. Take a look if you're in the mood -- and perhaps comment there rather than here, let alone on my page (I hate chopped-up "conversations"). -- Hoary 04:10, 2005 Apr 18 (UTC)

Music-importance

Thanks for reminding me about the {{Music-importance}} tag. I totally forgot about it since I saw it used a few weeks ago. I also realize the reason I forgot it: it is not currently listed in WP:TM. So I'll add it the template message listings now. Thanks. Zzyzx11 | Talk 18:31, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Anarchism article

You have messed up the anarchism page - it's now in two bits on the same page - max rspct 19:37, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

• Hmmm. I've no idea what caused that. My web browsers don't have the article size limit problem, as far as I know. I've fixed it, anyway. Uncle G 19:47, 2005 Apr 18 (UTC)

Oolon Colluphid

I am ashamed that I had to look up Oolon Colluphid. Good one. :-) android↔talk 05:06, Apr 21, 2005 (UTC)

Transwikification

Thanks for the lecture. I think it is done now. Note that for the content moved from Periscope I do not believe an entry in the logs should be done, because the article itself is still intact in Wikipedia, it is just the section that once was Demo periscope that is moved. -- Egil 15:13, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Ninja Strike Force

Note, that the article was expanded by GRider to include the information about the movie. You may want to review your vfd vote. Grue 17:14, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Mudita at move to wiktionary

Hi Uncle G - at Move to Wiktionary you deleted the proposed deletion of Mudita with the edit summary "Mudita has been transferred. This is the third time that you've listed it. Please stop." I find this odd for three reasons. (1) I have only ever listed this once; (2) it is still in Wikipedia, so even if it has been transferred to Wiktionary it has not been deleted - someone has simply removed the "move to wiktionary" template from it; (3) there is no "Mudita" article in Wiktionary.

Given that you do not want me to add the "Move to Wiktionary" template to this article and seem to think I've already listed it at "move to wiktionary" twice more than I have, and that the article still needs to be moved to Wiktionary, what do you suggest should be the next move? Grutness|^hello? 13:46, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

• I have only ever listed this once — False. You (plural) have listed it three times once here, the second time here, and the third time here. The latter two of those times were you (singular). By checking the history you would have seen that the edit immediately preceding yours was KevinBot noting the first transwikification. By reading the talk page you would have seen a big notice (two, in fact, because you marked the article for transwikification a second time, causing it to be transwikied a second time) saying that the article had been transwikied. Uncle G 14:34, 2005 Apr 22 (UTC)
• it is still in Wikipedia — If you want the article deleted, nominate it for deletion. Transwikification does not automatically end in deletion. Uncle G 14:34, 2005 Apr 22 (UTC)
• there is no "Mudita" article in Wiktionary — False. The big notice on the talk page provides a link to exactly where the article is on Wiktionary. Uncle G 14:34, 2005 Apr 22 (UTC)
• the article still needs to be moved to Wiktionary — False. The exact same article has been moved twice now. We do not need to move it a third time. Uncle G 14:34, 2005 Apr 22 (UTC)
• what do you suggest should be the next move? — I strongly suggest that it be you reading the article's talk page, the top of Wikipedia:Things to be moved to Wiktionary, where it is stressed to check that an article isn't already on Wiktionary, and Wikipedia:Transwiki log, where you will see the logs of the two times that this article has already been moved. I'm going to make a suggestion for McBot. Uncle G 14:34, 2005 Apr 22 (UTC)

• "I have only ever listed this once — True. it would have been far less confrontational to have use a passive voice. "It has been listed here three times" may be true, but to launch a direct accusation as you did is both false and provocative.
• it is still in Wikipedia — If you want the article deleted, nominate it for deletion. Transwikification does not automatically end in deletion. - I will do, once the article is transwikied.
• there is no "Mudita" article in Wiktionary — True - as you will find if you try [2].
• the article still needs to be moved to Wiktionary — True. You could also try a search of Wiktionary, which will fail to find Mudita.
• what do you suggest should be the next move? — I strongly suggest that it be you reading the article's talk page - done. it's incorrect, the top of Wikipedia:Things to be moved to Wiktionary, where it is stressed to "check that an article isn't already on Wiktionary" - have done so. The article isn't in Wiktionary, and Wikipedia:Transwiki log, where you will see the logs of the two times that this article has already been moved - it may have been moved, but it never arrived at Wiktionary. I'm going to make a suggestion for McBot - good idea, but first, I'd suggest making sure that Mudita is moved to Wiktionary! Grutness|^hello? 01:08, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

• Okay Grutness, I think you are misunderstanding the procedure. When I transwiki any article, including Mudita, it doesn't go directly into a Wiktionary article. It goes into the "Interwiki" area, so that the Wiktionary people can format it before making it an article. (So Mudita does exist at Wiktionary:Transwiki:Mudita). --Dmcdevit 18:16, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Now, Uncle G, sorry about that, but there's nothing I can do about it in the program. I usually try to check; I recently had to fix a bunch that had been done before (only because I remembered them). I'll try to check first, although it gets tedious for dozens of articles at the same time (when it could be none of them have been done before). Luckily, when it comes to Mudita, and probably most others, it didn't change at all, except minus a stub tag. Also important is it does not overwrite history or anything else, so they can always be restored. Sorry to trouble you, carry on. Also, I'm interested what you think I'm supposed to do with the category tagged for Wiktionary; should I transwiki all of its articles? --Dmcdevit 18:16, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

• No. I've been slowly dealing with the numerical prefixes (see Special:Whatlinkshere/Numerical prefix) and that category is considerably smaller now than it was. The remaining articles in that category are the difficult ones, that need finer attention than blunt transwikification. (The implied etymologies in twi- need to be hand-checked and the relevant individual Wiktionary articles updated, for example, which I'll do when I get the time. And note that Wiktionary already has articles for all of those prefixes, so transwikification won't be useful.) Uncle G 18:37, 2005 Apr 23 (UTC)

• Ahh... Good. I had no idea. Just had this vague feeling that I was suposed to be transwiki-ing them too, but categories don't show up on my program. --Dmcdevit 18:56, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Constituencies

Why are you unilaterally changing all the constituency articles to match your own disambiguation scheme? I suggest you stop what you're doing and discuss at the WikiProject (which you knew existed) at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_UK_Parliamentary_Constituencies - I really don't see why you've gone about changing all the articles to a silly disambiguation scheme that's much worse than before, it's a lot more effort for you. If you're doing it because other institutions such as the Scottish Parliament or the Welsh Assembly use the same constituency/same constituency names, and you want to disambiguate them, firstly it because you're changing it to "UK Parliamentary constituency" it doesn't neccessarily exclude the Scottish Parliament, and secondly, what does it have to do with all the English constituencies you've changed? -- Joolz 07:46, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

• It's not my disambiguation scheme, it's yours. I took it from an existing Scottish constituency, Dundee East, which disambiguates between the UK Parliament and the Scottish parliament in this very way. I'm simply using an equal-weight disambiguation. Also, this is already discussed at the WikiProject. See the very talk page that you pointed to, in particular Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK Parliamentary Constituencies#Commons_and_Scottish_Parliament_constituencies. I'm running with it for the remaining constituencies because (a) the same thing applies for the Wales and Northern Ireland because they have the same two sets of constituencies as Scotland (It's simply that those two haven't caught up with the problem yet, although they will very soon.), and (b) the same thing applies for England because town/borough names and constituency names clash and a disambiguation is required (See Epsom and Ewell and Epsom and Ewell (UK Parliament constituency).). Uncle G 12:06, 2005 Apr 26 (UTC)
  • Hey, sorry, I did read that section a few days ago, but obviously I'd forgot! Having read that, I agree with our disambiguation scheme, except for pages which do not need disambiguation (See project talk page) Sorry again! -- Joolz 16:12, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    • Do you intend to fix the mess you made at Cheadle (constituency) anytime soon? In the middle of a general election, you shouldn't really leave a page in this ugly state. Dmn / Դմն 15:47, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
      • The original article was the mess. Its tables were in a hand-crafted format, and it was missing several sections. It now has the sections and the Template:election box tables, ready for the result data to be moved into them, as will happen when the other editors in the WikiProject, who have taken on the task of filling in the results tables, make their passes over the article. Of course, you could always move the data into the tables yourself. You could also have read before writing, and seen from the very discussion that you are joining in to that there's a whole WikiProject, whose project and talk pages describe in detail how we are bringing constituency articles to election ready status, what state we aim to reach, where each article currently is in reaching that state, and the editors who are doing this. Uncle G 02:58, 2005 May 2 (UTC)
        • I'm aware there's a Wikiproject for this kind of thing and I appreciate that the new tables make the page look better. This doesn't excuse leaving the page in some ugly manner. Cheadle has the smallest majority in the country and is likely to visited. I attempted to do it myself but you should appreciate that the tables language are quite confusing with multiple templates here there and everywhere. Why do Wikiproject members presume to own every page they deem to be part of their project. This goes against the wikipedia encouraging anyone to edit pages if they think it helps. And for your information the page wasn't a mess before [3]. There were no misplaced empty tables. I'm sorry the tables weren't particularly fancy - but there was no standard constituency article beforehand. Dmn / Դմն 16:57, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

Your vote at Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/List of the Great Boners of all time

Your vote on the above page is being listed as uncertain or "ambigious". I'm not sure if that was your intent or not. Just an FYI - ignore this if you wish. Moncrief 23:47, Apr 27, 2005 (UTC)

Editing other peoples' user pages

Why did you edit my user page? Uncle G 12:17, 2005 Apr 28 (UTC)

• Because I don't like seeing red. Jooler 12:20, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • That's not your decision to make. Please leave other people's user pages as they want them to be, thank you. Uncle G 12:22, 2005 Apr 28 (UTC)
    • If you want to blank you user page, then blank it. While your user page remains empty the link to your name is to http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Uncle_G&action=edit actually prompting someone to edit it. Jooler 12:29, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
      • I'm well aware of what I could do. This has been discussed before, and there's a prominent notice at the top of my talk page. Please don't waste my and other editors' time by creating empty pages just because you see a redlink, and by not reading before you write. Uncle G 12:45, 2005 Apr 28 (UTC)
        • Your prominent message isn't very prominent, because you don't include your talk page in your signature, what appears on your signature is a red link that when you click on it begins the process of editing your page. This is also true of your name on "recent changes". Why don't you put the prominent message on your user page and edit your signature so that it doesn't show the red link. 12:52, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
          • This has all been discussed before. Please don't waste waste my and other editors' time by not reading before you write. Uncle G 13:53, 2005 Apr 28 (UTC)
            • You may have discussed it with others, but not me. And again - your page being empty positively invites people to edit it. I did not read - before I wrote, because I did not see your talk page, because I was not directed towards your talk page. My user page is blank and I maintain it as blank. If you want to stop people editing your user page, then get it protected. Jooler 15:41, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
              • You've been around long enough to know where user talk pages are without people having to customise their signatures just so that you can find them. You've been around long enough to know that you aren't invited to edit other people's user pages for them, redlink or bluelink. I ask you for the third time: Please don't waste my time. Uncle G 16:30, 2005 Apr 28 (UTC)
                • New users have red links on their usernames. On seeing a red link on your name I had no idea what length of time you had been an editor here. To my knowledge I've not had any interaction with you before now. When someone clicks on a red user page link it takes you into edit mode. If that's not an invitation to edit then what is? At the end of a day a red link is annoying. I put a single dot on your user page so that the link would no longer be red. I had no interest in having any kind of discussion with you and I did not look at your talk page. If you have had trouble with people before creating a user page, I'm sure that by now you must realise that I am not the only one who thinks that the red link is annoying and that this is going to be a recurring problem for you. The simple solution is put something on there to stop people going into edit mode when they click on your name. Fair enough that you want to make a statement about anonymity and not have a user page with a personal history. Guess what, I feel exactly the same, which is why my page is blank, and in fact my user page was empty before some vandal came along and created it for me. At the end of the day this is an extremely petty issue that would go away in an instant if your name did not come out as a red link, so by not having a user page you are drawing fire on the issue. If you really want to avoid communication with others, then making your name a blue link is the answer. 17:01, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Lazaretto

Just wanted to let you know that I moved Lazaretto/Temp, which I assume you wrote while the main article was in VfD, back to Lazaretto. --Fbriere 19:44, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

• Thank you. Uncle G 23:35, 2005 Apr 28 (UTC)

Cleethorpes

OK I have added a direct reference to the constituency page, but have also clarified that it doesn't cover just Cleethorpes. I would appreciate your thoughts on this. Cheers. TigerShark 15:25, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

• Your revision is better than what was there originally. There are a lot of articles where there are (at the least) a town, a local government borough, and a parliamentary constituency all by the same name. See Wikipedia:WikiProject UK Parliamentary Constituencies, Wikipedia:WikiProject UK Parliamentary Constituencies/Progress and the discussions on both of their talk pages. It's worth trying to come up with a standard, brief, wording to cover them all with respect to cross-linking them to each other. At the moment, the pages have the standard {{otheruses}} and {{otheruses2}} disambiguation templates (see Sedgefield and Selby for examples), which I think should be retained. However one user has suggested, at Talk:Blackburn (UK Parliament constituency), that it might be preferable for the constituency/borough articles to additionally link directly to the towns, and vice versa. There are roughly 200 more constituency articles to create in 4 days, and I don't want to get too bogged down in disambiguations at the moment, however. The details of those will come later. Uncle G 16:41, 2005 May 1 (UTC)

Election template

Complete explanation duly found. Shall endeavour to read, mark, and inwardly digest prior to Thurs. next. Doesn't look too difficult. Tnahks. –Hajor 00:11, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

Constituencies

The talk page does not deal with this point at all. Consistant and exact disambiguation is good, but not all pages need to be dabed, and those that do not need to be must not be mistitled. I agree also that getting the content in place is the most important thing, but that's not an excuse for being lazy with page names. Joe D (t) 02:24, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

• Wrong. They pretty much all do, and the talk pages cover this point twice over. This is not laziness, this is preparation for what needs to be done next (which has been explained on the talk pages). There's a lot of work being done by other editors, who are busy working at a furious rate. Your mucking around with the plan, a scant three days before the election when the rest of us have been at this for weeks, is not helping. Please stop. Uncle G 02:44, 2005 May 2 (UTC)

A lot do, I agree with this and have stated quite clearly that I agree with this, you are avoiding the point. Some don't. And telling people to give them that name means you are telling people to give them the wrong name. I really don't see why my rewording of the policy is a problem, I am simply pointing out that articles do not have to have the suffix in those instances where it is not neccesary. That is not ruining "the plan" or giving people extra work. I have noticed people moving articles such as Dorset South, thinking that the suffix was compulsory: that is a waste of their time, as they will be moved back to the correct page. If I am mucking about with "the plan", it is because "the plan" is wrong. But my "mucking about" is a very minor change that will make very little difference to editors, but will save the confusion of people moving articles that don't need to be moved. Joe D (t) 02:56, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

Section headings in constituency articles

I have been using Sheffield Hallam as my model page. As it is marked as election ready I assumed that this page had been formatted as was required, so I just cut and pasted from it. If this is incorrect then I apologise, and will make corrections. JeremyA 04:28, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

Maha Jana High School

Hi Uncle G!

The red link above is currently residing on WP:VFU. Just to recap the events which led to it winding up there:

• The school article was nominated for deletion. (Some inclusionists seem to think this is tantamount to nominating the school itself for deletion.)
• With a large squad of school inclusionists voting, there was no consensus to delete and Dbennben closed the debate declaring it to be kept.
• Dbennben probably saw your comment about the school not existing, and converted the article to a redirect to Erode.
• Someone, unknown to me, nominated the redirect for speedy deletion.
• Mel Etitis deleted this redirect.
• I was sifting through the old VfD debates and found a debate which had been closed with a keep but where the article had later been deleted, and brought it to VfU.

Currently, the debate there is about as terse as all other VfU debates, and part of the question is whether or not the school exists. Can you shed some light on the matter?

Sjakkalle 11:56, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

Definitions of socialism

Thank-you for slapping a copyvio tag on that ill-bred article. I raised my concerns about it as soon as it first appeared, but nothing further was done. Slac speak up! 08:55, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Transwiki log

Shall desist as requested, but something has to be done with this page: the moved to en.wiktionary.org section alone is 122k! Physchim62 08:47, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

• We refactored the transwiki log at Wiktionary. We could refactor (again) here. Discuss it on Wikipedia talk:Transwiki log. Uncle G 11:02, 2005 May 10 (UTC)

Norhuc and Content

Uncle, I completely agree with you that Norhuc is a space cadet who creates nonsense articles. But could you please refrain from sneering at him when you VfD his articles? They're obvious gibberish, so you don't have to work very hard to get a consensus against them. And we really, really need to have VfD discussions that talk less about people and more about content, and every personal comment, even the minor ones, make it that much harder. ---Isaac R 03:24, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

• I didn't sneer when nominating any articles. My exact words in Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Chart-graphing, for example, are "more original research from Norhuc (talk · contribs)". Uncle G 03:33, 2005 May 15 (UTC)
  • I perceived it as a sneer, even if you didn't mean it as such. Any comment on a person can be taken personally, with resulting offtopic sidetracks. That's why we need to focus discussions on content, not people. ---Isaac R 03:58, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

Template talk:Vfd2

As a VFD regular, I feel that you should be notified of this discussion being held at this template regarding its unprotection. -- AllyUnion (talk) 00:53, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

Wiktionary

Hi there! Since you're one of the foremost authorities on Wiktionary, could you please take a look at Category:Names and Category:Given names? It seems that most articles in there are simply a bit of etymology, and would be better off Transwikied. The same applies to Category:English words, although that has a couple of sensible articles. Yours, Radiant_* 10:20, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

• And also, Category:Vocabulary and usage stubs. Radiant_* 12:16, May 20, 2005 (UTC)
  • I agree with what Diderot said at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Criteria:

    Frankly. most if not all of the stubs in that category ought to go to Wiktionary. By collecting them in one place, at least its possible to deal with them coherently.

  • There are a few exceptions. List of Bush administration puns, for example. And there are a few articles where Wiktionary already has an article. Compare honkey with Wiktionary:honkey for example. Uncle G 15:07, 2005 May 20 (UTC)

>Wiktionary

Hey, I agree now that it's best that articles like List of English words of Spanish origin are transferred to Wiktionary asap. Decius 12:06, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

transwiki template

Dmcdevit suggested I talk to you. I was wondering if there was a consensus about putting {{Transwikied to Wiktionary}} onto talk rather than article pages. I have twice put a transwiki note into articles that had been already transwikied by Dmcdevit who of course is not thrilled to see the same articles again in his in-queue. I think I might be getting the hang of it slowly, that is, checking the talk page first in such cases, but it would be nice to have some reminder on the article page. Creating a smaller template for that purpose would mean more work in the transwiki process (i.e. adding two templates), so that is out. I don't see a problem with adding {{Transwikied to Wiktionary}} to the article page (as we do with {{pov}}, {{vfd}}, {{cleanup}}, etc, especially given that most of these articles seem to be destined for deletion anyway. What do you think? Rl 14:54, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

Might want to take a look at this

I noticed an anon recreated the Neleh Dennis article you put up for deletion back in January. I deleted it again, but while looking at their contribs, I noticed a lot more stuff. You may want to check out Jennifer Lyon and related pages on contestants linked to from there. Perhaps there's need for a VFD on all those people, or maybe in the months since January you've heard something about precedent on articles on Survivor contestants. CryptoDerk 17:41, May 24, 2005 (UTC)

Message from 63.124.185.186

Not having a user page disrupts:

• all talk pages with red links
• lists of most wanted pages
• the time administrators take repeatedly deleting your page

You compare the passive act of users not coming to wikipedia and not creating pages to the active effort necessary to maintain your page in a deleted state What hazardous pedantism! --63.124.185.186

• I've taken the liberty to sign the right anon IP and format this entry. Mgm|^(talk) 19:19, May 28, 2005 (UTC)

Faddabulous Wikipedians

You are active here and an administrator on Wiktionary, and seem to be an all round nice person. Thus I would like to give you a mention on Silversmith's new Fabdabulous Wikipedians page in the "active on more than one wiki" category. If you don't aprove don't worry, but I feel you are more than worthy of a mention. Thryduulf 20:04, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

• My first reaction is embarrassment, to be honest. Thank you for letting me know. Uncle G 23:12, 2005 May 29 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Freifunk

Article has been rewriiten by User:Sven-ola. I have replaced my delete nomination vote with a "no vote". Can you reread to reconsider or affirm your delete vote? Sjakkalle 08:09, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Toolshed --> Shed

I took your comment in the Toolshed vfd as a suggestion to redirect toolshed to shed; having done so, I added a line in shed to note that some are called toolsheds. :-) -- BDAbramson ^talk 04:10, 2005 Jun 4 (UTC)

• chuckle. Thank you for letting me know. Uncle G 14:00, 2005 Jun 4 (UTC)

Overdue deletion of uncertified RfC

Uncle G, on 28 MAY 2005 an RfC was initiated that was never certified by two people. Since you were the subject of that RfC, I was wondering if you want it kept. If so, please let me know or edit the RfC's talk page to indicate your wishes. If you do not want it kept, I will delete it per policy. Thank you. SWAdair | Talk 05:59, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• I didn't know that I had any say over it. I admit to unfamiliarity with the details of the policy on certification of RFCs, it having heretofore not been something I've had to deal with. I'll have a read of the policy. Uncle G 13:57, 2005 Jun 4 (UTC)
  • The specific section of the policy that applies is Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment#Comment_about_individual_users. The third paragraph gives you the option of keeping the RfC if you wish. Otherwise, it will be deleted. This is one of those times I think it may actually be useful to keep an uncertified RfC. If anyone ever gives you grief over your user page, you can point them to the RfC which, although never certified, produced an overwhelming consensus that you are not required to have a user page and that not having one is not disruptive. The choice, however, is yours. SWAdair | Talk 04:51, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

VFD

Just letting you know about Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/HYP (universities) 2. If you have an opinion, please vote. I am notifying people who have been active on either side of the debate. —Lowellian (talk) 23:54, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)

• Wait until the VFD has formally concluded before moving the article around and splitting it up; it just confuses the vote. Furthermore, in VFD votes, people often write words like "merge" or other actions. I am not seeing those so far, just mostly "keeps" or "deletes", suggesting that other people would disagree with what you're doing. —Lowellian (talk) 01:43, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)
  • You've got 4 editors saying (in various words) that a better title is needed, and 2 saying that a split is needed, on the VFD page, and more editors suggesting a move, before the article was nominated for deletion, on the article's talk page. Uncle G 01:48, 2005 Jun 6 (UTC)
    • There are also at least 13 editors who voted keep. And stop erasing my comments. That's against Wikipedia policy. —Lowellian (talk) 02:03, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)
      • Crying "He deleted my comments!" and then pointing to a diff where I clearly did no such thing (but rather merely put them into chronological order), and then turning around and deleting my comment (ironically, the very one explaining to you what I had done and encouraging you to read the diff properly, where you would see quite clearly what I had done), is a sure way to get egg all over your face. ☺ Uncle G 02:28, 2005 Jun 6 (UTC)
        • My apologies for that. I looked at the top of my page and saw that my comments were gone (not realizing they were moved below) and assumed they were deleted without reading the diff. My apologies to him you for accusing him you of deleting my comments when he you did not. I have stricken out my wrong accusations above. —Lowellian (talk) 03:19, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)

List of given names by language & list of Indian given names

These are both marked for transwiki to Wiktionary, but my bot won't do lists. In any case, there's surely no point in doing the first one (take a look), and in fact, all those pages should probably eventually be deleted. Th Indian names are nothing but a list of words, with no definitions or even language, so I wonder if its worth the manual transwiki. Anyway, I'd appreciate your opinion. --Dmcdevit 07:04, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• I agree about the first one. As you say, the second lacks pretty much any content. Adding a list of redlinks at Wiktionary:Wiktionary Appendix:First names seems the best course of action, and the articles about the individual name words can, when people write them, then turn the links blue. Uncle G 02:18, 2005 Jun 8 (UTC)

Good idea, unfortunately the first name appendix is split by gender, but the list doesn't specify. And I don't know anything about Indian names. I'm still at a loss. Will list the first at VfD now, though. --Dmcdevit 02:36, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Skulduggery Implied

You were kind enough to fix some stray emphasis (I must have been rushed by the wife, I usually preview everything - but she sulks if I come late to dinner!) in the Vfd debate: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/Human_life_begins_at_conception&action=history I direct you into the history, as your change is followed by an anom. contribution that totally wiped out my input. Who should this sort of nasty underhandedness be reported to? Thanks Frank Fabartus 23:23, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• I've treated the blanking of those two comments as simple vandalism, and dealt with it in the usual way, with what I hope is a clear edit summary. Uncle G 02:06, 2005 Jun 8 (UTC)

Ladonia (micronation)

Excellent work verifying the noteworthyness of Ladonia! -- BDAbramson ^talk 21:48, 2005 Jun 13 (UTC)

Countdown

Uncle G, in case you had forgotten about it, I wanted to remind you of the RfC issue. If you want it kept, you have to indicate so. The best place to do so would be the talk page of the RfC. Alternatively, you can do so here or on my talk page. Otherwise, I will wait until 24 hours after your next edit (to give you time to see this notice, read and decide) and then delete the uncertified RfC. Thank you. SWAdair | Talk 02:41, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• Thank you. SWAdair | Talk 02:46, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Pokemon

Hmmm...I don't know anything about Pokemon. I don't know anything about Totse. Cruft vs. cruft, as far as I can tell. I'd say delete all the cruft, and leave any verifiable article about a real person, vanity or not. But what do I know. I generally don't vote on VfD for precisely these kinds of reasons. But thanks for pointing out the flaws in my analogy. I'll just stick to calling cruft cruft. Guettarda 05:52, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

User page

I was wrong to stick my nose into that conversation you had a while ago about that matter. I read your essay on why you don't have one - it's reasonable. I prefer personally to have something to click on if I want to say something that clutters the place where the discussion began - like the Pokemon thing. I suppose you could make the argument that I should have admitted I was wrong in the public forum, rather than on your Talk page - but that logic though making a show of contrition is itself boastful. Guettarda 06:01, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Chewbacca Defense

Uncle G is awarded a barnstar for posting a comment on VfD. That does not make sense!

I hereby award you a Barnstar of Good Humour for one of the most lucid, well-reasoned, and funniest votes ever seen on VFD. If only all VFD debates were held in such good spirits! sjorford →•← 13:32, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

VfD tampering

Uncle, I've just noticed this vote alteration. I've changed it back. This vote alteration went undetected for over one week, an alarming thought indeed. I'd investigate to find more -- however, it's very late here, I'm very tired, and I have to knock off now. I can do no more for at least 12 hours, sorry. I'm willing to get to it tomorrow, but thought that I should alert at least one admin now -- and you might have a quasi-proprietary interest in this VfD, so I chose you. -- Hoary 13:44, 2005 Jun 17 (UTC)

Moved from your User page

Your attempts to stave off the growth of more tiny articles about splits/mergers are welcome. I could never figure why each article on a variety of English had to include comparrisons to every other variety of English. If people want to know what a particular variety sounds like they could simply read the article about that variety.

Less is more 20.06.05

- from 84.135.38.5 (talk · contribs)

Paper bag problem

The reason why I'm not citing the MathWorld page is because

1. it does not state the problem precisely, and
2. only gives one of the formulae, without justification.

As the later part of the article suggests, these formulae, whilst interesting, are only approximate, as there appears to be a construction for the square teabag giving results which are significantly better than the approximation. According to the VfD discussion, this page was started by Anthony Robin, the original author of the paper MathWorld cites: perhaps we should cite "Anthony Robin (personal communication)". As a result, we appear to be closer to the source of the article content than MathWorld. We should aim to have entirely independent (and better!) content from that of MathWorld, which has been involved in famous litigation in the past. -- The Anome 17:21, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)

• It gives one other valuable piece of information (which would have saved you deleting the formulae only to later restore them ☺) in the two words "(Robin 2004)" beneath the formula, telling us which of the references that it cites the formula came from. I half suspect that it was Mr Robin who submitted the MathWorld article, and that both of these articles are equidistant from a single source. If you check back in the article history, you'll see that I merged MathWorld's citation of Anthony C. Robin with the (informal) citation of the same in the original article. Uncle G 19:21, 2005 Jun 21 (UTC)

Joe Gould

Hello! I completely agree with you that Mr. Gould is only in Wikipedia because of James Braddock, and the Cinderella Man' movie. You've seen my reasoning, so I won't repeat it, for keeping him. However, I did some research, and have expanded the article a little bit, so hopefully the thought of this article staying in Wikipedia is slightly more palatable with the changes. Best Wishes. --Scimitar 19:47, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Re: Bot

You probably know about as much about bots as I do, :). The one I operate is an exact copy of Kevin's. But on a related note, do you think it's okay for me to continue transwikiing to Wiktionary. Since the Wikipedia articles are capitalized, so will be the ones I put in the Transwiki namespace. But since those are moved to the article (definition?) namespace I figure that can be changed after formatting and I'm okay as is. What do you think? --Dmcdevit 29 June 2005 22:14 (UTC)

• I would think that you are all right (given that the transwiki namespace was only a pseudo-namespace and thus case-sensitive already) as long as the MediaWiki upgrade hasn't broken your 'bot as it broke AllyUnion's. Ask at the Beer Parlour, though. Uncle G June 29, 2005 22:23 (UTC)
  • Well I've done a lot of checking and close-looking, and that update definitely screwed with my bot. I had actually done a few transwikis yesterday, not even thinking to look for changes. Now that I look, the transfer of the article history is not working. It only transfers the last edit (which is particularly unhelpful because it's just the tag). Compare wikt:Talk:Transwiki:Updation the day before the update with wikt:Talk:Transwiki:Aftertaste transwikied the day after. Plus the links to the users are broken. I'm going to have to stop using the 'bot until it can be patched up. Unfortunately, Kevin never released the code to me, and he's not responding to my emails and talk page messages. I'm going to have to wait for the code from him or find someone to write it from scratch. And of course, just to spite me, we've got 35 new articles put in Category:Move to Wiktionary in a day! That never happens. --Dmcdevit 30 June 2005 00:02 (UTC)
    • Is the 'bot a script or a compiled executable? I had the impression that it was a script. Uncle G June 30, 2005 12:09 (UTC)
      • It's a finished product, a .exe and a .dll that I can't touch. At least that's what AllyUnion tells me. I thought he'd be able to fix it if I just sent the file. Showa how much I know! Any better ideas? --Dmcdevit 30 June 2005 21:07 (UTC)
        • Uncle G is blue?! I'm going to faint. Oh, um. I mean, so... did you ever contact any bot makers about Wiktionary? And do you think that one might be able to help me out with the transwiki bot? I'm afraid the backlog will start to grow very large very soon. --Dmcdevit 2 July 2005 01:45 (UTC)
          • The only people I know off the top of my head to contact are the people that you've already attempted to contact yourself, alas! If it had been a script, or had the source code been available, I could have taken a look at it myself. But I cannot do anything with a compiled executable any more than you can. Uncle G 2005-07-02 02:10:05 (UTC)
            • I'll keep trying. But in the meantime, if this user page thing is permanent, I'd be honored to be able to nominate you for adminship. With a user page you'd go through easily. --Dmcdevit 2 July 2005 04:36 (UTC)

SuperDude

For your assistance to troublesome newcomers and help for them to become productive members of the community, I award you this Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar. Besides, you need something on this user page.  :^) - Lucky 6.9 30 June 2005 02:46 (UTC)

Hi, G. Long time.

I'd dropped out of the project for a while...so I haven't really taken the time to see what our friend has been doing. I'll see what I can do. Meantime, I'll swing by VfD to weigh in. Keep me posted, 'kay? Thanks for the info. - Lucky 6.9 30 June 2005 02:17 (UTC)

My, what a tangled mess our friend has weaved. I've voted to delete everything that wasn't already speedied and left gentle word on his talk page. Many kudos and a Barnstar (forthcoming) for keeping the discussion civil. Some folks over on VfD are not too nice about all of this. - Lucky 6.9 30 June 2005 02:43 (UTC)

lots of edits, not an admin

Hi - I made a list of users who've been around long enough to have made lots of edits but aren't admins. Since you've been previously nominated I added an '*' immediately before your name in this list. If for any reason you're NOT interested, my apologies and please remove the '*' (you could entirely remove yourself from the list also, if you'd like). I've suggested folks nominating someone might want to puruse this list. Thanks. BTW - I originally had you on this list and deleted you per a suggestion on the talk page to delete users who had gone through failed RFAs. Since then, I've changed my mind about who should be on this list. I've left a message for everyone on this list asking them to add, or for previous nominees verify, interest in becoming an admin. I don't know if you've noticed this list and were wondering why you weren't on it, but that's why. You're on it now (with a '*'). Do with it as you will. The whole point of doing this is to attempt to bring some sanity to the admin nomination and approval process. If you noticed you weren't on this list, I profusely apologize. Like I've indicated to a number of other folks, I don't know whether I'll bother to keep this list updated, or if anyone will ever look at it. It seems to annoy some folks (which I find kind of curious). I don't seem to have run into you yet, but given your RFA discussion I suspect I'd like you. Keep up the faith. -- Rick Block (talk) June 30, 2005 04:38 (UTC)

Tea Suckin'

I just wanted to congratulate you on the excellent rewrite of the Tea Sucking article. That topic didn't seem like one which could be salvaged even by a complete rewrite, but you've pulled it off admirably. I've voted to Keep, and I hope that others do the same. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind July 2, 2005 11:04 (UTC)

Surnames

I've commented. I can't understand why someone would think those should be "elsewhere." I'd feel pretty guilty if I had to just list those for deletion, rather than transwiki them. By the way, it looks like Triddle will be helping me out with a new bot. Oh yeah, and maybe you didn't see my comment above, but with a user page, you'd be a certain to pass a vote for admin. I think that was the only real objection. And so it would be my pleasure to nominate you. --Dmcdevit 3 July 2005 20:02 (UTC)

• Thanks for the heads up - I added my two cents to this vote as well. -- BDAbramson ^talk July 4, 2005 00:13 (UTC)
• Ditto. Also, thanks for the layouting of the CSD proposal. Radiant_>|< July 4, 2005 17:41 (UTC)

Criteria for speedy deletion

It seems to me that your recent removal of my comment from Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion/Proposal/A2 creates a situation where the case for the change is stated on the page where the voting is, but the case against is stated only on that talk page. If we want to also remove the case for the case for the proposal to the talk page, that's fine, but it can't be that one side's views are readily seen by all voters and the other's aren't. -- Jmabel | Talk July 4, 2005 18:45 (UTC)

• I didn't remove your comment or indeed anything at all from that page. I added your comment to that page, moving a comment (placed in a section entitled "Comment") to a discussion page, in order to keep things in line with the previous Wikipedia:Proposal to expand WP:CSD polls. If you have concerns about the actual wording of that proposal itself, please take them up with the people who actually wrote the wording (of which I am not one). Uncle G 4 July 2005 19:07 (UTC)

Hey, I wanted to tell you that your proposal to fix vanity articles is brilliant, and to personally apologize for voting to oppose it. There's a small controversy over User:Radiant!'s actions in some of the votes, and I cannot, in principle, regard as legitimate any policy resulting from such a tainted process. I'm not trying to involve you in this at all, I just want to tell you that I'm sorry I have to oppose your proposal because it is in my opinion the most ingenius of the lot. — Phil Welch 5 July 2005 10:43 (UTC)

Looks like the issue was resolved so I got to vote for your proposal after all. — Phil Welch 6 July 2005 04:49 (UTC)

I won't be refused!

You've been nominated again for admniship, because I'm sure you'll pass with a user page. See here to accept. And good luck. --Dmcdevit July 5, 2005 21:48 (UTC)

Conversely, if you wish to decline, please say so. The Uninvited Co., Inc. 8 July 2005 21:13 (UTC)

Uncle G, would you be kind enough to express an opinion on whetheryou wish to be an admin or not? -- Cecropia | explains it all ® 9 July 2005 01:00 (UTC)

Hey there. Just wanted to say sorry this nomination came at an inopportune moment. I had no idea when I was nominating (and it seemed so urgent at the time). I'm not really sure why some others were so quick to feel miffed, but it looks like it will end well anyway. So, anyway, keep up the good work! --Dmcdevit 20:57, July 9, 2005 (UTC)

verses

Hiya,

you recently suggested to merge at Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Matthew 1:verses

however, that VfD concerned only the verses from Matthew 1, wheras your proposal covered a much larger group of verses.

would you be prepared to make a similar vote at Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Individual Bible verses, which covers the full list of verses in your suggestion (as well as some more recently created ones)?

~~~~ 9 July 2005 15:12 (UTC)

RfA

Hello, Uncle G! I just wanted to call your attention to (and light up your "new messages" bar) once more to remind you that you've been nominated for adminship. Would you please either accept or decline the nomination (found here)? Thanks! Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk 9 July 2005 15:28 (UTC)

• I see that you've since noticed that I already had. ☺ Uncle G 9 July 2005 17:54 (UTC)

Sorry to bother you again

but, aside from the new VFD mentioned above, there is also the issue of the source text being inserted into the chapter articles.

I have created a poll at Wikipedia:Bible source text to discuss this.

Also, there is currently an edit war at Matthew 1, Matthew 2, Matthew 3, Matthew 4, Matthew 5, John 20, John 15 between me and SimonP. We have both reverted twice as of 9 July 2005 18:39 (UTC). SimonP has just dropped a note to User:JYolkowski, as he is aware that he is in danger of breaking 3RR and needs a method to get around it. I feel it would be helpful if you could counter JYolkowski's edits to act as a counterbalance.

However, I do apologise for what is essentially a request to join an edit war, though I feel it necessary now that SimonP has tried to cheat the system. ~~~~ 9 July 2005 18:39 (UTC)

Template locations

I have noticed you discussed template locations at Wikipedia talk:template messages.

One user has unilaterally been moving templates from articles to talk pages en-masse (over 100 articles are affected during a spate made by the user last night). I have spent some time trying to resolve this issue.

There is now a poll discussing where templates belong created at Wikipedia:Template locations, and a discussion at Template talk:Expansion. ~~~~ 14:02, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Spiritual health

An interesting, if not incomprehensible, revert of the Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Spiritual health begs the question of why introduction of a pinch of rhyme and reason might seem intolerable to you. Only detail oriented people would be entirely comfortable with your revert. The reversion to random chaos seems particularly odd in light of SchmuckyTheCat's deletion vote explanation. Not everyone can easily pick out such inconsistencies from a disorderly jumble, and your revert therefor seems ill-advised. Ombudsman 04:01, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

• Please read the good advice about not refactoring VFD discussions into lists or tables of votes that is to be found in the Guide to Votes for deletion and please follow it. Uncle G 04:14, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

• Sorry to have taken up your time, but your explanation didn't exactly inspire a safari into the Wikipolicy jungles; thanks for supplying the link. It took a while to find the exact paragraph, but your appeal to authority has succeeded. The one-size-fits-all alternative appears clearly established, so thanks to you are in order. Ombudsman 04:52, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

STOP

Please stop replacing wiktionary templates. That is not desireable. Please discuss first on Template talk:Wiktionary before proceeding any further. -- Netoholic @ 15:53, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations!

Congratulations! It's my pleasure to let you know that, consensus being reached, you are now an administrator. You should read the relevant policies and other pages linked to from the administrators' reading list before carrying out tasks like deletion, protection, banning users, and editing protected pages such as the Main Page. Most of what you do is easily reversible by other sysops, apart from page history merges and image deletion, so please be especially careful with those. You might find the new administrators' how-to guide helpful. Cheers! -- Cecropia | explains it all ® 21:31, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

• Congratulations from me as well! Radiant_>|< 13:52, July 13, 2005 (UTC)
• Congrats on your recent win! I knew Wikipedia would put things right this time around. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 18:25, July 18, 2005 (UTC)
• I voted against your adminship nomination, but am nevertheless confident that you will carry out your role properly and carefully. I congratulate you and wish you the best of luck. Cheers, smoddy 18:31, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Removal from the Order of Canada

Thanks for telling the nominator about redirects/merging is cheaper and cleaner than VFD's. However, I was wondering if you want to go back and clearly state your vote, since I have no clue if your just informing folks or voting for merge. Thanks. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 00:54, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

Star Wars kid

I decided to ask an administrator about this- was removing the VfD tag early legitimate? CanadianCaesar 01:31, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

• It's wisest to leave the tag on until the discussion is formally closed. I'll reinstate it. If there's still a unanimous consensus to keep when the 5 day lag time is up, then you, or anyone else, can close the discussion as "keep" and remove the tag. (See Wikipedia:Deletion process#Non-Administrators_closing_discussions.) Uncle G 07:06, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

Nice Catch!

You probably saved a few batches of muffins! To be sure I looked in my own copy of "Fanny Farmer 1896 Cook Book" Ottenheimer, 1996. A book incidentally that i have always found to be rather ambiguous concerning cooking temperatures. Of course when it was written cooking was done almost exclusively with wood-fired appliances. As a chef of over 20 years experience I would agree that 220C. or 350F. is an ideal temperature for tasty muffins! Enjoy!Hamster Sandwich 07:57, 17 July 2005 (UTC) P.S. (The recipe should be moved to a more appropriate section.)

1000000000000

Hi, Now that you're an administrator (and congrats on that!), I'll ask you this question. Someone has already redirected this topic to 11th Millennium and created the corresponding (number) article to link to large magnitude numbers. This occurred while the VfD was ongoing. Does this mean that VfD is no longer a valid place to handle the matter? I wouldn't have redirected, but now that someone has, shouldn't RfD take up the matter? Also, since "redirects are cheap" is the standard for deleting a redirect a little higher than the standard for instituting one in an instance of a VfD'ed article? Ah, minutiae! Xoloz 10:25, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

• Being an administrator only means that the community trusts me to wield certain tools on its behalf. Notice that you are talking about 1000000000000 and 1000000000000 (number), both of which are redirects (as is 1000000000000000000 (number)). The VFD discussion, however, is about 1000000000000000000. Count the zeroes. ☺ That article still stands unredirected, pending the closure of the VFD discussion. Uncle G 10:33, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

1000000000000000000

Hi Uncle G. In Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/1000000000000000000, I noticed you voted to delete the article 1000000000000000000. Could you please look into Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/1000000000000000000 (number)? Thanks. --A D Monroe III 01:07, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Merge/Bible verses

Hi there! Recently, quite a bunch of bible verses were put on VFD. I believe you had some good suggestions on merging them; if so could you please contribute to this centralized discussion? This will hopefully be more fruitful than individual VFDs that end in no consensus. Yours, Radiant_>|< 15:04, July 21, 2005 (UTC)

List of musicians that have made guest appearances on Nickelodeon shows

Thanks for the heads-up--I haven't had as much time to spend on VFD lately. Don't know if it will survive, but at least we tried. Niteowlneils 00:54, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Gave it a "keep" vote right after Niteowlneils. I think it could be an excellent companion piece to the main article. Thanks for thinking of me and leaving word! - Lucky 6.9 01:02, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Bosh

Hi Uncle G. I'm wondering if you think anything should be done about this. The repeated versions (from both sides) mean the VfD is basically meaningless and, even presuming a keep/no consensus will continue to be reverted. Page protection is not for content disputes though is used for stemming repeated reversions, and I'm not inclined to think the redlink users are actually socks so there's no immediately obvious recourse. Oh, and I imagine everyone is fully aware that you did not break the 3RR as that edit summary suggests. I've left a note to that effect on the relevant talk page, because misuse of policy irritates me. -Splash 16:21, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

• I re-counted my edits, just to make doubly sure. ☺ What we should do really depends from what decision the closing administrator takes when closing the VFD discussion, after the 5 day lag time is up. If the closing administrator closes it as keep, then it becomes a content dispute. Uncle G 19:41, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
  • Yes, I thought that was probably all that there was available. Perhaps they'll get bored by that time. -Splash 21:10, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Pope's Hitler

Hi- I write to canvas you back to see where this article is headed (if not the bin) . I left a note on the discussion for deletion too . I claim that the article is necessary to civilisation and where we are - that otherwise we are running forward blind , even on the WP. I ask you to please arrange me the time to do the article , and that we worry about the sense or otherwise when I get the links in there. Alternatively I would ask you to follow my user history which as I left beside Jimbo on NPOV last night, suffers from good faith is as good faith does . My placing of the obverse Hitler's Pope accorded with Jimbo's own guidelines , but forced out of there against Jimbo guideline -forced into a corner everywhere I try to reason for history . Please spare a few moments - to actually check on this all . I'll show what Pope's Hitler means, in Jimbo's terms , if you let me . Famekeeper 15:46, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

Dates in Act Against Slavery

Hi. You changed that date on Act Against Slavery back to 1793-07-09. Unless I misundertand how auto-date formatting works, the formatter should be able to detect either the date you used or the format I used. I changed it to July 9, 1793 since I felt that that date format would be easier for most users to read. Any users who are not logged in, or who have not set a date preference will see the date in the format in which it was entered in the article. Pburka 23:54, July 24, 2005 (UTC)

• Contrary to the documentation, that is not a format that is detected by the automatic formatting, and is thus not rendered in the user's preferred date format. Try changing your date preferences and viewing the two dates in this section. You'll find that 1793-07-09 varies according to preferences, and July 9, 1793 does not. Also note that ISO 8601 (which is what this is) is the date format that "most users" find easiest to read, given that even before it was adopted as standard it was the date format that was conventionally used by one quarter of the world's population. Uncle G 00:06, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
  • It seems to work for me. When I change my preference all the dates in this section change. Pburka 00:31:37, 2005-07-25 (UTC)
    • They haven't been working for me. Only 1793-07-09 is displayed in my preferred format. July 9, 1793 is displayed unmodified. This began (for me) with the MediaWiki upgrade. I do know that July 9, 1793 used to work. But for me it suddenly stopped. Perhaps it was a problem that was introduced with the upgrade but that has since been fixed. I spent a while experimenting with my preferences and date wikification when it first happened, but that was some while ago and I haven't checked lately. I'll save my preferences yet again and investigate. Uncle G 00:49:10, 2005-07-25 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/3.14

Much appreciated for the note, I do believe I will add my 2 cents. --InShaneee 02:26, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

Pope's Hitler 2

Your are correct that the article is fallout from an edit war. I had not been aware of this bizarre article when I wrote up Wikipedia: Requests for comment/Famekeeper but will add a reference to this article.

Basically, he thinks that leaders of the Catholic Church were guilty of complicity in the Holocaust. That is a POV that has support from some scholars. He also seems to think that any deletion of unsourced arguments to that effect is censorship, probably by the Vatican. Robert McClenon 16:36, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

re:Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Merlin Chowkwanyun

Thanks for pointing that out to me, your absolutely right the article doesn't fall under any speedy category and the only actionable reason for deletion would be notability which you argued fairly well isn't an issue so I changed my vote to keep since it appears to be notable enough for an article. Jtkiefer ^{T | @ | C} ----- 19:38, August 1, 2005 (UTC)

Maoririder

Seems to me we've created a monster. Much as I hate to say this, I think our friend may be a bit autistic. I guess we can look on the bright side, since we've made a rather good user out of someone with similar tendencies. I'll leave word on his talk page. BTW, I'm not signed up at Wikinews, but I'd like to learn more about it for myself. Besides here, I'm signed up at the Simple English Wikipedia and the radio control wiki at Wikicities. Nice changes of pace.  :) Thanks for the update. I'll do my best to help. - Lucky 6.9 15:13, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

• You're welcome. I'm not sure what you are referring to by the creation of monsters, though. Uncle G 15:43:21, 2005-08-02 (UTC)

Youssef Rzouga

• Hello Uncle G

Thanks for this infos concerning copyrights etc...thanks for all . ok dear Uncle G,I see..

• faithfully
• Youssef Rzouga

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.95.102.137 (talk • contribs) 2005-08-03 07:19:34 UTC (UTC)

Kashid- quiet beach on the Konkan Belt at 30 kms from Alibaug and 135 kms from Mumbai

KashidThis Indian location article is a stub. You can help Wikipedia by expanding it.pradeepsomani ^{\talk \contribs}

Uncle G's bot

Changes are not necessary to Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Log/Current as that is automatic from the software. --AllyUnion (talk) 08:37, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

• No, it isn't; and yes, they are. That title is wikified on User:Uncle G's 'bot and the fact that it is currently a redlink demonstrates unequivocally that the software does nothing whatsoever automatically with that page. (It wouldn't have. After all, I have only just invented it. It's a new scheme that I've constructed so that the 'bot doesn't end up editing Wikipedia:Votes for deletion at all, for safety amongst other reasons. Go to the test area at User:Uncle G's 'bot/VFD to see how it works.) I know what edits it is necessary for the 'bot to make. They are the very edits that I (and other editors) have been making by hand over the course of the past month and a bit. The elimination of our doing these very edits is what has inspired VFDBOT's creation.

  I suspect that you have confused Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Log/Current with Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Log/Today, which latter VFDBOT has no dealing with and the tool's description makes no mention of. Uncle G 17:07:59, 2005-08-06 (UTC)

Little help

Ghost in the machine is marked for a move to Wikisource. The article itself says it is "from Gilbert Ryle's Ghost in the Machine." I have a feeling it is copyvio, but I'm a little unsure about the copyright rules. Gilbert Ryle says he was born in 1900 (if that means anything about copyright). But also, I can't find any book he wrote called "Ghost in the Machine" (though it seems to be a famous quote of his). What's your take on it? Is it copyvio? Should I transwiki it? Or what? Thanks in advance for your sageness. :) Dmcdevit·t 05:27, August 8, 2005 (UTC)

• Some of it appears to be analysis of Ryle's work, rather than Ryle's work itself. It only contains 2 paragraphs that are unambiguously Ryle's own. It's certainly not a complete source text, and there's only the 1 definite quotation for Wikiquote to have. Looking at Ghost in the Machine (disambiguation), I suggest simply removing it from the transwiki queue and drawing it to the {{attention}}s of the editors of Dualism (philosophy of mind). Uncle G 13:50:09, 2005-08-08 (UTC)
  • Ah I see. Actually, there is an Arthur Koestler book of that name and this article's about that book, so I have fixed the intro accordingly. Also, I wonder if I could ask your opinion on the copyright status of that (it's was written in 1938). In any case, I don't think it should go to Wikisource as it's got a lot of prose and is very cut down. Opinion? Dmcdevit·t 00:08, August 9, 2005 (UTC)
    • Is the article the actual primary source text, the book itself, or is it simply a book summary written by someone else? In the latter case, Wikisource almost certainly isn't the place for it. Uncle G 00:18:29, 2005-08-09 (UTC)
      • Wait, okay, I don't know where my mind was. :) I was referring to another article: Nakamura Diary. Let me try it again. Also, I wonder if I could ask your opinion on the copyright status of Nakamura Diary (it's was written in 1938). In any case, I don't think it should go to Wikisource as it's got a lot of prose and is very cut down. Opinion? Dmcdevit·t 01:23, August 9, 2005 (UTC)
        • I saw that one when I was looking through the Wikisource queue earlier today. Looking in the edit history, it appears not to be the actual primary source text of the diary, but someone else's report on the source text, which furthermore appears to be an "original contribution to the project" — something that Wikisource excludes. Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Articles on Imperial Japan may clarify things. I doubt that Wikisource could do anything useful with any of the versions of this article. Uncle G 02:07:53, 2005-08-09 (UTC)

Government warehouse {Please delete once read}

As you requested I have entered comments on both pages to which you referred. I apologise if my earlier comments have caused problems. --Simon Cursitor 14:52, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

• Problems? What problems did you think that you had caused? You haven't caused any problems. I'm just pointing out that the "wiki way" to "block" unwanted content is for editors to be vigilant. There's no central authority that "blocks" unwanted content (and no mechanism in the MediaWiki software for doing so). It's up to you, me, and everyone else, to "mercilessly edit" unwanted content ourselves. Uncle G 15:28:30, 2005-08-10 (UTC)

Request for guidance

I note that you are an administrator. Could I ask for a steer on the Wiki protocols on editing one's own User/Talk page. At what point may I remove what I consider to be "outdated" comments without incurring the wrath of the Cabal (the gentlemen who patrol Wiki looking out for infringements of what they think the rules are, and invoking Dispute Rresolution) ? Thank you in anticipation --Simon Cursitor 14:58, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

• It's a matter of choice. Some users archive their talk pages to separate pages. Some users archive their talk pages to history, with clear notices that they are doing so. Some, as I have so far, just let them grow, and rely upon the magic of section editing. ☺ See Wikipedia:talk page and the articles that it links to, such as Wikipedia:How to archive a talk page. By the way, being an administrator only means that I've been entrusted by the community to wield the deletion/protection/blocking/SQL tools, in the belief that the encyclopaedia will be the better for it. Our King and Privy Council will be most displeased to hear you thinking that there's some form of cabal in charge of things, instead of them. ☺ Uncle G 15:28:30, 2005-08-10 (UTC)

• <parrot>Awk -- I knew it - I Knew it - I Knew It :: It's a Cabal -- It's a Cabal !!</parrot> Thank you for the guidance --Simon Cursitor 13:09, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

User:Uncle G/Wikipedia triage

I never got a response from you on this comment, I thought perhaps you might not have seen it:

I like this article, and I think there might could be a full WikiProject for NewPage triage. I was amused to find this article, as I had been doing pretty much what you described, so I was thinking maybe there could be some benefit from organizing it into a WikiProject. What do you think? EvilPhoenix talk 05:43, July 27, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. Ëvilphoenix ^Burn! 15:13, August 10, 2005 (UTC)

• I've tried to get around to responding on the talk page. I even have it open in another tab. But I've been busy elsewhere. As you can see below now there's bosh to deal with ... Uncle G 18:02:03, 2005-08-10 (UTC)
  • I couldn't help but overhear (Okay, that doesn't really work on talk pages...), but for what it's worth, I found the page helpful as well. I don't know if it needs a WikiProject (any more than RC patrol is a WkiProject) but it would be good to move it to the Wikipedia namespace and link it from lots of places. Dmcdevit·t 18:56, August 10, 2005 (UTC)

Bosh (slang)

Recognize this? It's not recreation of speedied content, but it is probably a WP:POINT since it defies consensus. Can it be removed or must we haul it through VfD again? For the time being I've turned it into a redirect, but that obviously won't stick. -Splash 17:57, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

• It occurs to me we could take the redirect to RfD since it is unlikely to help accidental linking, but it is very hard to get redirects deleted. -Splash 17:58, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
• It's not really a disruption to make a point. It's a fork resulting from the content dispute that has been there since the VFD discussion. Today seems to be the day for it. See the fork that has just sprung from the similar situation at Government Warehouse (Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/List of the Government Warehouse's contents). If the redirect at Bosh (slang) doesn't stick, take it through VFD. If a content dispute resurfaces at Bosh, ping the talk pages of the contributors to the VFD discussion and, if that doesn't help, take it to RFC. Since it is now involved, I recommend adding London slang to your watchlist, too. Uncle G 18:25:44, 2005-08-10 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Jamie Kane

Considering it's likely that somebody, sometime will keep removing the necessary material, I've decided we shouldn't keep these articles. Zoe 00:26, August 15, 2005 (UTC)

• I infer, since you appear to be thinking that the article is still a fictional biographical article from which reference to the BBC is being repeatedly removed, that you haven't actually read the rewritten article, as I suggested that you do first. Uncle G 00:39:04, 2005-08-15 (UTC)
  • You infer incorrectly. Zoe 00:51, August 15, 2005 (UTC)
    • Then your reasoning is simply bizarre. We don't delete articles on the sole grounds that they might be vandalized in the future. If we did, we'd be deleting the entire encyclopaedia. Uncle G 01:53:00, 2005-08-15 (UTC)

Excellent edit on the article. --P3d0 15:38, August 15, 2005 (UTC)

• Also sorry for the screwed up edit history. --P3d0 15:40, August 15, 2005 (UTC)

Sandbot is feeling fine now

Thank you, Uncle G. Sandbot is well and alive now. --AllyUnion (talk) 21:49, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

You might want to have your bot continue running these tasks:

1. It resets Wikipedia:Test to #redirect Wikipedia:Sandbox.
2. It resets Wikipedia talk:Test to #redirect Wikipedia talk:Sandbox.
3. It resets Template:Template sandbox, Template:X1, Template:X2, Template:X3, Template:X4, Template:X5, Template:X6, Template:X7, Template:X8, and Template:X9 to {{Please leave this line alone (template sandbox heading)}}, an HTML comment, and an explanation of template parameters.

--AllyUnion (talk) 23:46, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

I was just about to point out that Sandbot doesn't appear to be touching those. I've disabled the cleaning of the main sandbox and the tutorial sandboxes and changed the edit summary message (too late for the most recent run, which occurred as I was reconfiguring). Uncle G 00:22:42, 2005-08-20 (UTC)

I'll get to adding those features once I get VFD and CFD up and running. I'll let you know when. --AllyUnion (talk) 03:18, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

VFDBOT

The following tasks of VFD Bot have been upgraded and should be fully functional:

• Add the section on the new UTC VFD subpage day (1 hour before the UTC day)
• Add the six days ago link on WP:VFD/Old
• Close the VFD discussion, 5 minutes after a new UTC day.
• Update Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Log/Yesterday every new UTC day.
• Update Wikipedia:Votes for deletion according to the new shorten format.

This should cover your subset tasks you wrote. Thank you for your cooperation and assistance. I recommend that you keep your bot in an archive in the event that VFD Bot breaks down again. --AllyUnion (talk) 04:17, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

• Hi, I notice that its named VFDBOT, so do you plan on having it add headers to WP:CFD as well? If so, we use "Month Day" (August 21) for the header, as the log file is named "Year Month Day" (2005 August 21). We have another script that Rick Block wrote that parse's these headers, and the change would require the script to be changed, which isn't a bad thing. Just wanted to know if you plan on having it continue to do it, and request that it use the current format. Since the log file has the year, the header really doesnt need it. Thanks. ∞Who?¿? 03:00, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Oops, forgot to leave the diff link. ∞Who?¿? 03:02, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Corsican anthem

On Wikipedia:Don't include copies of primary sources, it says very clearly that

Avoid including entire texts of treaties, press releases, speeches, lengthy quotations, etc. In an article of a treaty, for example, summarize the treaty and then provide an external link (or, if the treaty is on Wikisource, an interwiki link) to the actual treaty. Smaller sources and samples are perfectly acceptable in articles. Pages on national anthems should contain the lyrics, and short poems are also included in their article, e.g. Ozymandias.

You're right the page itself should include more information on the anthem itself, that's what we're trying to fix. If interested, take a look at our mini-wikiproject here. Cheers. -Hmib 22:56, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

• You should read the talk page. It is very clear that consensus is that dumps of words are wrong. And no, you are not, in fact, "trying to fix" anything. Instead of writing an encyclopaedia article on a national anthem, you are repeatedly reverting to a version of the article where the primary source text gets in the way of writing anything. (Many articles have stagnated for this very reason. It's a bad idea.) You aren't actually making an encyclopaedia article at all. You are, rather, performing Wikisource work in the wrong project. Please stop. Please instead use Wikipedia and Wikisource combined, in the manner that I demonstrated. Uncle G 01:02:48, 2005-08-22 (UTC)
  • There is a guideline on this. Read it. If you have anything against that guideline, raise hell there. -Hmib 02:24, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
    • I have read it. I don't need to raise hell, because the discussion on the talk page is clear, and consensus is as I have said. I've pointed you towards that discussion three times, now. Uncle G 02:39:07, 2005-08-22 (UTC)
      • What concensus? If there is a concensus, why isn't the guideline changed? Please direct me to a specific sentence wherein your 'concensus' is located. -Hmib 03:11, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
        • The consensus isn't a specific sentence. The consensus is the large number of editors all asserting the same thing on the talk page that I have directed you to, four times now. Uncle G 03:18:49, 2005-08-22 (UTC)
          • The concensus is that most editors involved on the discussion page supports the guideline on the main page, is it not? -Hmib 03:29, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
            • Read what they actually write on the talk page. Uncle G 13:21:21, 2005-08-22 (UTC)
              • They have discussed nothing about national anthems, and thus I will take what is on the main page as the guideline. Even if they disagree with it on the talkpage, the guideline remains the same, meaning it's still in place. -Hmib 19:12, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
                • False. Most editors' comments cover the general case, talking of "source texts" and "static texts", which includes national anthems as well. The text on the main page that you are referring to was a recent addition by User:SimonP. It does not reflect either consensus or existing practice. Uncle G 20:01:17, 2005-08-22 (UTC)
                  • Nobody on that page has specifically rejected that addition. There is no concensus that anthem articles should not contain the lyrics. -Hmib 21:42, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
                    • There is plenty of consensus about source texts. The only editors who would have national anthems as an exception are User:SimonP and two others. Uncle G 21:59:26, 2005-08-22 (UTC)

If you say so. No one has even started a discussion on whether national anthem lyrics should be retained, despite that clause being added on 2 July 2005. The only discussion of national anthems on that page started 22 Aug, TODAY. -Hmib 01:06, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Supposed Copyvio on The Hyborean Age

It may have been hasty to full-out revert the posted text of The Hyborean Age. Although the text was last published in 2003, the author, Robert E. Howard has been dead since 1936, which, I believe, puts the text into the public domain. Like I said, maybe we should be sending it to Wikisource? --InformationalAnarchist 23:11, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

• See Talk:The Hyborian Age, where even you yourself said that it was a copyright infringement. Please note that "we send it to Wikisource" translates to "User:Uncle G, or another of the handful of editors who maintain the transwiki queues, transwikifies the article". ☺ Uncle G 01:43:14, 2005-08-22 (UTC)
  • I don't recall ever writing that it was a copyright violation, only that it may be. Otherwise, I would have properly used the copyvio tag myself instead of zealously reverting. And sorry for using the royal "we." I wrote that under the obviously mistaken assumption that Wikipedia and the related wikis are community projects relying on a community effort. --InformationalAnarchist 19:12, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
    • You have things exactly backwards: "zealously reverting" is what we are supposed to do when there is a prior non-infringing version of the article that can be reverted to, as was the case here. We are not supposed to use the copyvio tag in such situations. What you describe as being proper is in fact improper. Please read the instructions in Wikipedia:copyright problems.

      I don't see the point that you are trying to make with your final sentence. The WikiMedia projects are community projects. That doesn't change the fact that it's only Cryptic, Dmcdevit, myself, and a few others that volunteer to do the actual transwikification, as I pointed out. To many editors, sending something to Wikisource involves just sticking a {{move to Wikisource}} tag on it. But without anyone doing the actual work, that just results in some very well-populated categories. Nothing actually gets sent anywhere. (In early 2005, a backlog of more than 1100 articles had accrued in the Wiktionary queue, for example, because whilst editors had been tagging articles, no-one had been actually doing the transwikifications. I'm currently clearing another backlog of almost 300 articles, having just helped to pare down the Wikiquote, Wikisource, and Wikibooks queues.) Uncle G 20:47:23, 2005-08-22 (UTC)

CFD pages

Hi, I guess you missed my previous message since a user posted right after me. Could you have the bot use this format "month" "day":

===August 22===

Rather than the wikified "year" "month" "day"? The pages already have the year and date, and we have a post processing script that looks for the header as "month" "day". Thanks. ∞Who?¿? 00:39, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

• I've changed it. Uncle G 01:51:20, 2005-08-22 (UTC)
  • Thanks. Does it add it to the cfd main page, or do we still do that manually? ∞Who?¿? 02:15, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
    • If by "add" you mean transclude the day page, then no, not currently. I could arrange for it to do so, but the simplest and safest way to do that would involve creating an extra level of transclusion. What it does do is add a hyperlink to the day page to Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/Current (which is now transcluded onto the main page, notice). Uncle G 03:29:01, 2005-08-22 (UTC)
      • Yes, sorry, that's what I meant. It's ok, I'm used to adding it anyways. Also, could you change the comment text it adds to the new page to ask users to post at the top instead of the bottom? Sort of the standard now, and its in the instructions on the Howto page. Thanks again. ∞Who?¿? 06:44, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Immunopathologic;

Thanks - I think that was the right thing to do. Dlyons493 07:20, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Fernanda Abreu

I would have suggested you to put the Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Fernanda Abreu reference in Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Brazil rather than in Wikipedia:Argentina-related regional notice board. -Mariano 13:03, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

• That's an entirely superfluous WikiProject. There's no need to reinvent this wheel. Many regional noticeboards and topic projects have had "currently listed at VFD" sections, or have had attention drawn to relevant VFD discussions on their talk pages, for a long time, now. Uncle G 13:14:44, 2005-08-22 (UTC)

Perhaps you are right, but it wouldn't hurt adding it to such a list (I know I check the Argentine one!). Actually, the official VFD list of the Argentine Board is Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Argentina. -Mariano 08:30, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Transwiki

Er, you left a title on my talk page, but no message, can I help? Alf 21:16, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

• I hit enter to go to the next line after the title, and the web browser decided that it would trigger a save instead. Uncle G 21:21:33, 2005-08-24 (UTC)

OK, thanks for the info on transwiki, I'll bear the trouble involved in mind. Alf 21:24, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

VFD bot conflict

See: [4]. Your bot created the VFD page, I added an entry, then the real VFD Bot wiped it out. ~~ N (t/c) 00:16, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

• First: My 'bot is no less "real". Second: There's no conflict between 'bots here. Third: Why tell me? I don't run the 'bot that wiped out your edit. (My 'bot is carefully written to not wipe out other people's edits if someone has already created the per-day page and added nominations to it. That was one of the first things that I tested.) Tell the person who actually owns and operates the 'bot that wiped out your edit. Uncle G 12:12:54, 2005-08-26 (UTC)
  • Okay, sorry. Will do. ~~ N (t/c) 13:51, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

VFD bot

"Policy consensus" has been renamed to "Centralized discussion". Could you please update your bot to transclude {{Cent}} instead? Radiant_>|< 13:04, August 26, 2005 (UTC)

• <cough> Uncle G 13:34:17, 2005-08-26 (UTC)
  • You already did? Great. The reason I asked was that a recent page still used the old link, and I thought it were botted. Another question... on Wikipedia talk:Votes for deletion, a preference was expressed to rename the process to "pages for deletion" (to get rid of the perennial confusing of newbies that it isn't really a vote). I've made a simple start by moving today's log and fixing two templates to point there. Could your bot please make new pages as "Pages for deletion/log/date" and create a redirect from "Votes for deletion" for the time being? If done gradually, the change should be easy. Radiant_>|< 14:35, August 26, 2005 (UTC)

Talk page redirect

Hi there:

Um, is there some reason why you put a redirect on Talk:Judiciary Acts (US)? (I've never seen a redirect on a talk page before.) I fail to see what value it adds; moreover, assuming I understand how moves work, if people were to decide to move the Judiciary Act article to Judiciary Acts (US), your redirect will prevent the talk page from being automatically moved as well.

Your talk page will be on my watchlist for a few days, so feel free to reply to me here.

— DLJessup (talk) 21:29, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

• Your assumption is in error. ☺ Please read Help:Renaming (moving) a page where renaming over redirects is explained. Ironically, it's actually the move from Judiciary Act to Judiciary Acts (US) that would be prevented, not the move of the talk page. Uncle G 22:29:27, 2005-08-26 (UTC)

Thank you very much. I knew that you could undo a move, but I had incorrectly surmised that the only criterion on that being allowed was an appropriate redirect on the article page; I was unaware of the page history requirement (although it makes perfect sense).

— DLJessup (talk) 00:33, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Want to be quoted in the Signpost?

You were one of the main proponents of moving VfD to PfD. I would appreciate any comments that you might have about the process...if you're interested, please leave a note in the appropriate section on User:Ral315/Signpost. ral315 01:02, August 27, 2005 (UTC)

VFD edit link still broken

See`details at Wikipedia talk:Votes for deletion#Incorrect link...? DES ^(talk) 05:41, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

WP is not infinite

...very nice guideline. Maybe we should mainspace it? Radiant_>|< 09:25, August 28, 2005 (UTC)

Your recent move of the Wikipedians for Decency VfD

You appear to have moved the Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/WikiProject Wikipedians for Decency page to Wikipedia:Non-main namsepace pages for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikipedians for Decency. I would just like to point out that you misspelled "namespace" as "namsepace". I hope this was a test move and not intended as official Wikipedia policy. — JIP | Talk 16:46, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

Ack... what's with the headers?

I started changing the headers on Wikipedia:Non-main namespace pages for deletion, noticed a few of them where unchanged, and then noticed you were reverting my changes. Why? — Ambush Commander^(Talk) 02:09, August 29, 2005 (UTC)

• Hello, I noticed your edit summaries that said that you were demoting the headers to fit page structure. Old habits die hard, however, and I am fairly certain most nominations will continue to use level-3 headings. I propose that the structure be changed by zapping the Discussions and Current headings (so that there's no structure to keep). — Ambush Commander^(Talk) 02:20, August 29, 2005 (UTC)
• I reverted you because I was three quarters of the way through converting all of the headers when you started undoing all that I had carefully done over the past two days. Nominations will use {{nfd2}}, which already has the correct header level. And separation into "Current" and "Old" discussions parallels the existing identical separation that can be found on Wikipedia:Votes for deletion. Whether we want an "Old" section at all depends from how closers are going to manage old discussions. They could decide just to keep everything listed in Wikipedia:Non-main namespace pages for deletion/Log/Current until it is closed, and not use Wikipedia:Non-main namespace pages for deletion/Log/Old. However, that is something to be taken up on Wikipedia talk:Non-main namespace pages for deletion for a general audience to discuss. Please raise the question there. Uncle G 02:30:49, 2005-08-29 (UTC)

Okay, already done. I'll respond to your objections there. — Ambush Commander^(Talk) 02:33, August 29, 2005 (UTC)

{{vfd}}

"was only unprotected for rewording — Please note that it didn't actually get re-worded. User:Duncharris has been altering both links to point to the same place. Uncle G 14:40:05, 2005-08-29 (UTC)" - I know; I wasn't referring to that, but rather to this: "07:27, August 28, 2005 Dmcdevit unprotected Template:Vfd (temporary, needs fixing)". Unprot was supposed to be temporary IIUC, and I believe you had gotten the wording right (and besides, you can edit it anyway :) ) Radiant_>|< 14:45, August 29, 2005 (UTC)

• I could, but where a page is protected I prefer my exercise of my administrator abilities to be the rare exception, not the rule. I'll happily edit under protection to revert obvious and outright vandalism locked in as result of protecting the page, as such editing is uncontroversial. But I'm far less happy to edit under protection when rather there is an ordinary content dispute, that I am party to. Uncle G 15:14:16, 2005-08-29 (UTC)
  • Of course, and so do we all, but this is one of those few cases where it would help to protect against well-meaning but ill-advised people. Note that the VFD template was always protected for high visibility. I don't think this qualifies as anywhere near an ordinary content dispute. Radiant_>|< 11:35, August 30, 2005 (UTC)

A side question. The instruction at the bottom of WP:AFD still refer to the VfD templates for the most part. Is it ok to change them over to AfD templates, which appear to exist? I ask rather than be bold as I know the morass of discussion is still ongoing. -Splash 15:40, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

• Are you referring to Template:AfD footer? Uncle G 18:04:15, 2005-09-01 (UTC)
  • Yes. -Splash 18:29, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
    • Renaming (and editing) the templates is one of the items on the to-do list at Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion. The instructions should reflect whatever the current names of the templates are. Uncle G 19:37:40, 2005-09-01 (UTC)

re: VfD renaming as a pagemove

Good evening. I just saw the proposal to open a formal vote on the renaming of the VfD page. Thinking this was instigated by user:Philip Baird Shearer, I put a request on his talk page asking that the nomination be reconsidered. He replied that you are the "official" proposer and must be the one to withdraw the RM nomination.

As I said on his Talk page, I understand his (your?) point and I'm in some ways glad that we've slowed the process down a bit. But I can't help thinking that turning the discussion into a "vote" about the pagemove is exactly the worst way to go about making the decision. The discussion on Talk:VfD so far seems to be working. If we continue, we might actually reach a real consensus rather than a polarized vote.

May I ask you to reconsider your proposal to hold a vote on the proposed name change? If we don't see true consensus in a few more days, we can always hold the formal vote then. Thanks for your thoughts. Rossami (talk) 23:57, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Update: Independent of my request, several people reverted the voting template from the VfD Talk page. On the one hand, my request is now moot. On the other, we now have a disconnect between the VfD Talk page and the WP:RM page. Rossami (talk) 03:19, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Sandbot Reset Buttons

For the templates, I was not certain of the scheduled time frame, and it appears that the templates are not used very often. As a result, I created some reset buttons that resets an individual template.

• Wikipedia:Test Reset
• Template:X1 Reset
• Template:X2 Reset
• Template:X3 Reset
• Template:X4 Reset
• Template:X5 Reset
• Template:X6 Reset
• Template:X7 Reset
• Template:X8 Reset
• Template:X9 Reset

--AllyUnion (talk) 10:19, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

• SANDBOT, running under the aegis of Uncle G's 'bot (talk · contribs), resets every 12 hours. Almost all of SANDBOT's edits to those particular pages are null edits (most of the editors to those templates having cleaned up after themselves when they were done), which is why they aren't recorded. Uncle G 10:38:38, 2005-09-01 (UTC)

AFD bot and Uncle G's bot

The two bots are conflicting. See: First edit made one hour ahead by AFD Bot, second edit made by Uncle G's bot. --AllyUnion (talk) 02:19, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

Say Hey

I noticed you reverting vandalism to this POS. But why didn't you just delete it? I tagged it as a re-creation - have I missed something here? --Doc (?) 12:42, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

• Having already employed three administrator tools with respect to this one article, I was reluctant to exercise a fourth. ☺ I've reverted to Fernando Rizo's redirect. It seems to be a reasonable one, given that it's the title of Willie Mays' autobiography. And I didn't need to use any administrator tools in doing so. ☺ Uncle G 13:50:08, 2005-09-02 (UTC)

Um, yup that makes sense - I has assumed this had been deleted. I doubt we'll have heard the end of this yet, though. --Doc (?) 14:20, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

Move graphics tutorials

I've commented. — Xiong熊talk* 17:35, 2005 September 7 (UTC)

re: WP:GVFD

Good evening. I have been working on a top-to-bottom rewrite of the Guide. My goals were, in order, to:

1. Reduce the size of the page
2. Remove the references to "voting" and return the tone to one of discussion
3. Clean up the order and flow

My current draft is 7 screens long (down from 13 screens in the "live" version. I think that I have kept all the relevant lessons, instructions and good advice. I did sacrifice some of what, in my opinion, were rare or secondary situations.

Before I post this for wider discussion, I wanted to ask the opinion of a few people like you who have been intimately involved with the existing process. When you have a minute, would you mind commenting on the draft? Did I cut too much? Have I changed the actual intent of any instruction? Do you consider this better, worse or neutral? By the way, I'd also appreciate any help with format and clean-up. I'm getting bleary-eyed. Thanks. Rossami (talk) 01:25, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

: ) &  ; )

Thanks for tidying me up, boy I can be so slap dash with my typing sometimes. Alf ^melmac 00:08, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

AFD

I'm quite aware that it's not about votes, ... In fact I argued the name should be changed months ago before anyone would have expected that anyone would agree for that to happen. So, is there something about sections that makes it voteish? Or was it just my text? I admin I should have considered the text a little better, but I was trying to get it in before midnight GMT so it could hit the new days pages. I'll go improve the template:afd2s text now. --Gmaxwell 00:24, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

• I have changed the word votes to views in the template, I believe this is more accurate and addresses your concern. I'll go fix any AFDs created via the old one as well. --Gmaxwell 00:26, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
  • I'm pretty sure I covered your objection as best as I understand it, and since you don't appear to be editing right now, I waited 15 minutes and gone and stuck it back in. If I missed something, please feel free to remove it again (or better, fix afd2s). If you do pull it again, please tell me more about your objection because all I had to go by in your previous revert was the edit summary. I think it was enough, but if you still don't like it then it wasn't. :) Thanks for your help! --Gmaxwell 00:49, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
  • It's not the word. It's the unwise idea of splitting things up into "keep", "delete", and "comment", rather than using normal chronological discussion order. Uncle G 00:45:32, 2005-09-10 (UTC)
    • When I saw your reply I went and pulled it again because it was clear that that wasn't your concern... I too agree that dividing things into keep/delete/comment would be bad. I think the important part of a AFD is the comments. As a result my afd2s template text made it clear that comments belonged inline... the bottom section was clearly labled for other desired actions and for standalone comments unattached to a discussion in the sections above action above. --Gmaxwell 03:34, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
• Ask Rossami for xyr opinion, and have a look at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Maintenance. Splitting things into sub-sections makes it difficult to follow the flow of the discussion. Since articles can change as the discussion progresses, being able to easily establish a timeline is important to closing administrators. As an example, consider how much more difficult it would have been to close Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Boy*d Upp if people's contributions had been grouped into sections by type, rather than listed in normal chronological discussion order. Uncle G 00:45:32, 2005-09-10 (UTC)
  • Okay, I reverted myself until I address these concerns. I wrote a talk page for AFD2 which explains the basis of this change. Importantly I made this change in order to facilitate discussion and preserve chronological order. The primary problem with split AFD is that the process of splitting them breaks up discussion and disturbs chronological order. However split AFDs are very useful on issues where there are a great many participants. If, however, we start off all discussions split this problem does not emerge. Users are able to comment wherever they like, and the motivation for others to come along and refactor the page is greatly reduced. Also far as discussion flow goes, since each secion will remain in time order within the section, following the flow should still be fairly straight forward. Am I off the mark here? As suggested I'll ping Rossami. --Gmaxwell 00:56, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

Protecting the Urdu page

Hello, I would like to bring to your attention that the Wrong Version has been protected on the Urdu language page. There are biased views in the current article that are far away from the truth. The article reads, "Urdu and Hindi are the standardized forms of the Hindustani language, also known as Hindi-Urdu.

Urdu developed as a vernacular dialect from the interaction between local Indian Sanskrit-derived Prakrits "

This is completely false if one reads the history of the Urdu language from authentic/credible textbooks. Hindustani is a language that arose after the formation of Hindi and Urdu separately. It wasn't a precedent, it is a mix of the two that many people speak nowadays. Also, Sanksrits/Prakrits had very little to do with Urdu's formation.

It is currently on a version that promotes a pro-Hindu mentality. It writes that it was developed in Delhi. In truth, it is not known to an exact location and was developed in numerous areas. The word Hindi is written moreso on the URdu page than urdu itself. If one would like to read about the Hindi page they would go to that language page.

These are two completely different languages if one studies the both of them and knows how to speak them. It is different from Hindustani which is the mix of the two. This is the Urdu language page and discussess the Urdu language, there is a separate page for Hindustani and Hindi. You can see for yourself by using these dictionaries: |Urdu Dictionary and |Hindi Dictionary. (For the Hindi dictionary you must choose English for the first option and Hindi for the second at the top).

Also, a large portion of the History has been cut out, which explains the Urdu development. The most incorrect part however has to be the introduction in which cities are named. Urdu is the official language of Pakistan and JammuKashmir (now considered part of India).

Please revert the Wrong Version to the correct one as soon as possible. One was posted on 1:21, 11 September 2005 by 205.188.117.14 .

Thank you. --JusticeLaw 05:45, 12 September 2005 (UTC)