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Adoption Request: Hi Casliber, I saw your name of the list users offering adoption. I've been a WP for about 2 months, editing anonymously. I created a user name because of all the benefits. So far I think I know the "basic" stuff like a bit of wiki markup, making articles, e.t.c. I'd like to learn some of the advanced stuff. Is it possible for you to adopt me? Regards. Arjun G. Menon (talk · mail) 14:38, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Casliber! Thanks for accepting my adoption request. Your help and assistance will be of great value to me.

My main interest is article writing as well as article editing. I intend to contribute primarily to Computer science and engineering related articles as well as Hinduism-related articles (esp. Mahabharata). Apart from that I will indulge in rectification of grammatical errors, etc. of all articles (that I read). I stay in New York and I plain to be on WP from 10pm to 11pm EST (minus 4 hours from GMT).

I also have 2 questions to ask:

I know certain users and all administrators have a rollback feature. From the description of the feature on the WP:ROLLBACK page it seems that what it does can also be performed in a more "manual" way by ordinary users. To rollback several edits, you could click on the older version you want to revert to, then click "edit" and save the page like that. So how does thisrolback feature differ from what I described? Or is my understanding of rollback incorrect?
Suppose a page I created and put a lot of effort in writing it gets deleted. If I re-create the page, can I get back my work from the revision history; ie. if a deleted page is re-created, is the revision history of the previously deleted page restored?

Thanks! Arjun G. Menon (talk · mail) 15:39, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In answer to your questions - yes, rollback is like the undo feature but more convenient. Regarding the second question, it is a straightforward fix. What an admin do is momentarily undelete the page and Move the page, complete with history, to userspace. I have done this before, so ask me if it happens. One way to preempt questions of notability is to begin an build on an article substantially on a draft page. I will make one for you if you don't already have one. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:20, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am primarily interested in expanding each parvan in the Mahabharata#The_18_parvans into seperate dedicated articles. Just for a short intro, the Mahabharata is an important Hindu scripture. It consists of 18 books called "parvans". Translations of each parvan can be found here. So I'll be making 18 articles for each parvan, but as of now I have only one reference which is the one above. I'm also rather sure that they deserve seperate articles since Wikipedia does have articles for each book of the Bible, Quran, Rigveda e.t.c. What do you think?

Additionally I have some doubts regarding your previously reply. Firstly, is a draft page a page created temporarily in something like a user sandbox? Secondly, You said an admin undeletes a page and moves it to userspace. Did you mean mainspace?

Cheers! Arjun G. Menon (talk · mail) 01:08, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, a draft page is a sandbox like you have done. It is in userspace. You can make any number of articles in userspace as subarticles of your userpage. Thus I would move article 'X' to 'User:Arjun G. Menon/X' (i.e. userspace). Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:06, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thankyou. I will work on the draft page you have made for me. I have not yet read the translations of the parvans. I will read the parvans & summarize them for the article. Cheers. Arjun G. Menon (talk · mail) 14:20, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Great. I can check your progress as you go. Once you have some commentary and references as well as a plot summary, I can let you know when and how to move it to article space (with the history preserved) Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:26, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think it would be nice to create stub articles for the parvans and then work on them in mainspace. Pros are the articles will all have discussion pages & people will start noticing them (after I linkify the parvan titles in the Mahabharata) and therefore contribute to them. Is this possible or will the stub pages get deleted? Arjun G. Menon (talk · mail) 21:05, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You can try. I like it that way better, but I am wary of overzealous deleters patrolling. OK, let's do it that way and I will keep an eye on it. It encourages others to drop in and help. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:48, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Casliber. Sorry for the lack of communication. I was busy with college (started on 2nd), and never really got much time to read the parvans. Those parvans are really lengthy and it will be quite some time before I finish the first. I've decided to refocus my editing to CS articles for the time being. If I need any help, I'll ask you. Cheers! Arjun G. Menon (talk · mail) 02:33, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I recently uploaded this image for the Arc (PL). I believe the author has made it public domain, but could you verify please... Arjun G. Menon (talk · mail) 03:08, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know of any link releasing the image to the public domain, its basically a pic that Paul Graham has uses in his site's Arc page. Paul has also got a page on his site dedicated to this image: which dates the chair to 1947. I recently got this notice regarding the image. My guesses are the image is public. Do we have to prove this? What do you think? Cheers. Arjun G. Menon (talk · mail) 04:59, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I wanted to add a userbox for my university (SUNY Stony Brook / Stony Brook University), so I took a look at Wikipedia:Userboxes/Education/United_States#New_York, but couldn't find it listed there. How do I create one for it? Arjun G. Menon (talk · mail) 05:57, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've figured out how and made a couple. Arjun G. Menon (talk · mail) 06:55, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have a another small (unrelated) question to ask you. Is it OK to upoad to whatever images I like on Wikipedia, as long as I'm the one who created. I have created a page User: Arjun G. Menon/Photos where I would like to put up photos of me. I'm talking about creating a photo album on WP's servers. These images won't be used in articles and stuff, they are mostly family photos (and I don't mind releasing them to the public domain). So is using WP to host one's personal photo album against the rules? Cheers. Arjun G. Menon (talk · mail) 14:20, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Casliber! I'd like to know whether images taken from Google Maps can be unploded onto Wikipedia. I also ran into trouble for the recent image I uploaded for this template. Cheers. Arjun G. Menon (talk · mail) 06:35, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Casliber. Regarding the logo; you said don't use Fair Use for userboxes. My quesiton is, which license/copyright-notice whould be used on such images (non-free images inteded only to be used in userboxes) ? (BTW, I've uploaded a new image for the userbox in question, so this one won't be used. Just wanted to know how the system works.) Cheers. Arjun G. Menon (talk · mail) ..? Arjun G. Menon (talk · mail) 06:06, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's true, swoopo does indeed deserve an article, especially considering the controversy that surrounds it. I just googled swoopo and came across a list of news articles, blogs, interviews, e.t.c. about it. (most of them focus on the controversial aspect). Neverthless, can these suffice as means to prove the notability of swoopo? Can I use the links (obtained from googling swoopo) as sources for the proposed article? Thanks. Cheers. Arjun G. Menon (talk · mail) 06:06, 20 October 2008 (UTC) ..? Arjun G. Menon (talk · mail) 02:45, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Searched Google News for "Swoopo", could not find any articles on it from UK national newspaper. There was only one [website] from the UK, but the subject of its article is something totally different and only mentions Swoopo in a passing. There are a couple of articles on it from the Technologizer although. Arjun G. Menon (talk · mail) 05:11, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Casliber. I'll certainly contact the people at the Reliable Sources Noticeboard and ask them for advice, once I finsih writing the article. Thanks for pointing me there. BTW, I tried moving User:Arjun G. Menon/Workshop/Swoopo to Swoopo, but it seems that the Swoopo (redirect page) needs to be deleted first, before I can move my page to it. Could you delete the redirect article Swoopo for me? Thanks. Arjun G. Menon (talk · mail) 00:32, 24 October 2008 (UTC) ... Arjun G. Menon (talk · mail) 21:50, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Arjun G. Menon (talk · mail) 03:32, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Casliber! I was checking out an article's history today, and I notice that the external tool "Revision History Statistics" has been replaced by "Enhanced revision history". I found the older tool, a lot lot more useful/better than the new one. I was wondering, if you have an idea as to what happened. Cheers! Arjun G. Menon (talk · mail) 09:52, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The name has been changed to back to "Revision History Statistics", but the actual tool remains the same. Any idea what happened? Arjun G. Menon (talk · mail) 06:44, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

More unIDed fungi

G'day Cas,

I've been frogging over the past few days, and the fungi season has definitely started! I have a coral fungi that I thought you would like for wiki, plus I also have a puff ball which I will upload later, will leave a message here when it is uploaded. Saw lots of fungi over the last few days, but only photographed the really interesting ones as I was using my small memory card, and wanted to leave some space for frogs.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/52507572@N00/465979784/?rotated=1&cb=1177065560324

Thanks. --liquidGhoul 10:41, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There was another nearby (about half a metre) which was 8cm tall, so I would go with Ramaria lorithamnus. It was taken in rainforest, was very little Eucalypt around. Do you want me to upload it to wiki? Thanks. --liquidGhoul 11:38, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nomenclature of fungi

Hey there. I recently stumbled across an issue of Nova Hedwigia Beheift titled "the genera of fungi" (or was it agaricaceae?). It's filled to the brink with mind-numbing nomenclatural discussions of all the genera ever described (I think, anyway). Would it be any use if I looked up the specific ref or any specific genera? Circeus 00:20, 14 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That would be friggin' trés bién. The first one that would be absolutely great to get a clarification on is Agaricus which was called Psalliota in many texts fro many years and I've been mystified as to why. Other articles I intend cleaning up are Amanita muscaria, which is the one I intended taking to FA first but it just didn't come together well, Gyromitra esculenta as a future FA, Agaricus bisporus as a future FA, and cleaning up the destroying angels - Amanita virosa, Amanita bisporiga and Amanita verna. Boletus edulis would be a good one to check too. let me know if anything interesting pops up. I'll see ifd I can think of any other taxonomic quagmires later today. Work just got real busy :( cheers, Cas Liber | talk | contribs 02:01, 14 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Generally, that's pretty arcane and only relevant to genus articles, or species that were tightly involving in defining them (for example, there seems to be an odd debate over the multiple type species for Amanita). I'll look up Agaricus, Amanita (since A. muscaria's the current type) and Psalliota. I'll also dig up the ref so you can look it up yourself, with any chance. Circeus 04:52, 14 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cool, keen to see what pops up. cheers, Cas Liber | talk | contribs 05:17, 14 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I only quickly thumbed through it and noted the full ref (Donk, M.A. (1962). "The generic names proposed for Agaricaceae". Beiheifte zur Nova Hedwigia. 5: 1–320. ISSN 0078-2238.) because I forgot about it until the last minute. Psalliota looks like a classic synonym case. It shares the same type with Agaricus, and might be older. Circeus 01:02, 16 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Weird! I thought Linnaeus was calling all sorts of things Agaricus so I wonder how it could predate that really....anyway I am curious.cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:46, 16 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, First thing I have to say is... Damn, 18th-19th century taxonomy and nomenclature of fungi is a right mess. Whose bright idea was it to give fungi 3 starting dates in the ICBN???

LOTS of "per" in citation here. See [1]

On Agaricus: Etym.: Possibly "from Agarica of Sarmatica, a district of Russia" (!). Note also Greek ἀγαρικ^[1]όν "a sort of tree fungus" (There's been an Agaricon Adans. genus, treated by Donk in Persoonia 1:180)

Donk says Linnaeus' name is devalidated (so that the proper author citation apparently is "L. per Fr., 1821") because Agaricus was not linked to Tournefort's name (Linnaeus places both Agaricus Dill. and Amanita Dill. in synonymy), but truely a replacement for Amanita Dill., which would require that A. quercinus, not A. campestris be the type. This question compounded by the fact that Fries himself used Agaricus roughly in Linnaeus' sense (which leads to issues with Amanita), and that A. campestris was eventually excluded from Agaricus by Karsten and was apparently in Lepiota at the time Donk wrote this, commenting that a type conservation might become necessary.

All proposals to conserve Agaricus against Psalliota or vice versa have so far been considered superfluous.

On Lepiota: Etym. Probably greek λεπις, "scale"; Basionym is Agaricus sect. Lepiota Pers. 1797, devalidated by later starting date, so the citation is (Pers.) per S.F.Gray. It was only described, without species, and covered an earlier mentioned, but unnamed group of ringed, non-volvate species, regardless of spore color. Fries restricted the genus to white-spored species, and made into a tribe, which was, like Amanita repeatedly raised to genus rank.

The type is unclear. L. procera is considered the type (by Earle, 1909). Agaricus columbrinus (L. clypeolarus) was also suggested (by Singer, 1946) to avoid the many combination involved otherwise in splitting Macrolepiota, which include L. procera. Since both species had been placed into different genera prior to their selection (in Leucocoprinus and Mastocephalus respectively), Donk observes that a conservation will probably be needed, expressing support for Singer's emendation.

On Psalliota: Etym.: ψάλιον, "ring"; Psalliota was first published by Fries (1821) as trib. Psalliota. The type is Agaricus campestris (widely accepted, except by Earle, who proposed A. cretaceus). Kummer (not Quélet, who merely excluded Stropharia) was the first to elevate the tribe to a genus. Basically, Psalliota was the tribe containing the type of Agaricus, so when separated, it should have caused the rest of the genus to be renamed, not what happened. It seems to be currently not considered valid, or a junior homotypic synonym, anyway the explanation is that it was raised by (in retrospect) erroneously maintaining the tribe name.

On Amanita: Etym.: Possibly from Amanon,a mountain in Cilicia.

A first incarnation from Tentamen dispositionis methodicae Fungorum 65. 1797 is cited as devalidated: "Introduced to cover three groups already previously distinguished by Persoon (in [...] Tent. 18. 1797) under Agaricus L., but at that time not named. It is worth stressing that [The species now known as Amanita caesarea] was not mentioned."

With Agaricus L. in use, Amanita was a nomen nudum per modern standard, so Persoon gave it a new life unrelated to its previous incarnations, and that is finally published after a starting date by Hooker (the citation is Pers. per Hook., 1821). He reuses Withering's 1801 definition (A botanical arrangement of British plants, 4th ed.). "The name Amnita has been considered validly published on different occasions, depending on various considerations." Proposed types include (given as Amanita. Sometimes they were selected as Agarici):

A. livida Pers. (By Earle, in 1909). Had been excluded in Vaginata or Amanitopsis and could not be chosen.
A. muscaria Pers. (By Clemens & Shear, 1931) for the genus (1801) from Synopsis fungorum, was generally transferred to the one from Hooker's Flora of Scotland, which is currently considered the valid publication of Amanita (or was in the 50s).
A. phalloides (by Singer, 1936) for the 1801 genus.
A.bulbosa (by Singer & Smith, 1946) for Gray's republication. This is incorrect as Gray's A. bulbosa is a synonym of A. citrina. Some authors consider Gray to be the first valid republisher.
A. caeserea (by Gilbert, 1940). Troublesome because not known personally to Persoon or Fries.

Donk concludes the earliest valid type is A. muscaria, the species in Hooker, adding that he'd personally favor A. citrina.

The name has been republished three times in 1821: in Hooker, Roques and Gray (in that order). Roques maintained Persoon's circumscription, including Amanitopsis and Volvaria. Gray excluded Amanitopsis and Volvariella into Vaginata. Right after, Fries reset the name by reducing the genus to a tribe of Agaricus, minus pink-spored Volvariella. This tribe became a subgenus, than genus via various authors, Quélet, altough not the first, often being attributed the change. Sometimes it was used in a Persoonian sense (whether that is a correct use according to ICBN is not clear to me).

Homonyms of Amanita Pers. are Amanita adans. (1763, devalidated) and Amanita (Dill) Rafin. (1830)

On Boletus: Not including (Not in Agaricaceae, sorry).

Phew! Circeus 18:52, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I hope you intend to clean that prose ASAP? It's definitely not article-worthy as is. Circeus 01:05, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm working on it. Got distracted this morning...cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:08, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

ndashes

HTML ndashes suck. If you're on a Windows box, you can get a real ndash (i.e. unicode) by holding down the ALT key and typing 0150 on the numeric keypad. Hesperian 11:35, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm...thanks for the tip. I'll try that next. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:33, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for indulging me, dude. :-) Hesperian 00:00, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If, like me, you're stuck with a laptop without a numeric pad with ALT functionality, n- and m-dashes are the two firsts characters after "insert" in the list placed under the edit window. Circeus 22:54, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

FWIW, I've edited my keyboard layout for "easy" dashes with a little Microsoft utility (yes, I use Windows). It takes a while to set up, but now I can add en and em dashes with only two keystrokes—quite an improvement for WP editing :) Fvasconcellos (t·c) 23:57, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I add shortkeys all the time on various programs. If i used a reallot of weird characters, I'd totally do that to have across windows. Circeus 16:34, 1 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Pork

LOL, I love your sense of humour. Maimonedes is a good reference. The reality is that Islam takes food restrictions from Judaism; and Christianity doesn't have any restriction (courtesy of three references in the New Testament). The reason why pork should be restricted (along with many other things) is not given explicitly in the Hebrew Bible, hence Bible commentators have been offering guesses since ancient times. My own favourite, however, is Mary Douglas, wife of Louis Leakey, daughter of a Lutheran pastor. Her theory is excellent, based on her cultural anthropological observations, with a decent feel for how Biblical text works. It's rather an abstract theory though. Anyway, I'll see if I can manage a literature review of dietry restrictions in the ANE, especially if there's anything explicit about pork. Don't think I'll find a reference for "why" the pork taboo is in place, though, if it's documented, I'd have read about that in commentaries. Perhaps a clay tablet with the answer has been destroyed in only the last few years during the "troubles" in Iraq. :( Alastair Haines (talk) 21:27, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This is the great thing about uncertainty. Lacking an answer, the reports of Maimonides, Mary Douglas and the other guy mentioned are fascinating.Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:15, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Scotish pork taboo is a remarkable article! Thanks for that, lol. Alastair Haines (talk) 21:59, 8 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Spotted this. I'll look for a ref to the Maimonides comment. The normal teaching is that pork is no more or less offensive to Jews than any other forbidden meat (dog, horse etc) or forbidden part of kosher animal (blood, Gid Hanasheh etc). The pig (NB pig, not pork - an important distinction which is relevant for the Maimonides comment too, I note) is "singled out" because it alone of the animals that have one of the two "signs" (it has split hooves but doesn't chew the cud) lies down with its legs sticking out. Most quarapeds have their legs folded under them. There's a midrashic lesson to be learned there, apparently, that the pig is immodestly and falsely proclaiming its religious cleanliness, when it is not. Anyway, that said, I'll look into the M comment - he was quite ahead of his time in terms of medical knowledge (check his biog). And NB my OR/POV antennae buzzed when I read that little section. --Dweller (talk) 22:52, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Someone has tagged the Religious restrictions on the consumption of pork for OR, though the talk page seems to indicate it is for a different reason....Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:03, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm... makes me more dubious, but I'll check. btw... I'm not Alastair! --Dweller (talk) 23:10, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Have found good stuff, including online version of Maimonides text. I'll dump it here for you to use as you wish.

I maintain that the food which is forbidden by the Law is unwholesome. There is nothing among the forbidden kinds of food whose injurious character is doubted, except pork (Lev. xi. 7), and fat (ibid. vii. 23). But also in these cases the doubt is not justified. For pork contains more moisture than necessary [for human food], and too much of superfluous matter. The principal reason why the Law forbids swine's flesh is to be found in the circumstance that its habits and its food are very dirty and loathsome. It has already been pointed out how emphatically the Law enjoins the removal of the sight of loathsome objects, even in the field and in the camp; how much more objectionable is such a sight in towns. But if it were allowed to eat swine's flesh, the streets and houses would be more dirty than any cesspool, as may be seen at present in the country of the Franks.^[2]

So, Maimonides argues "pork contains more moisture than necessary [for human food], and too much of superfluous matter", whatever that means! More importantly, the "principal reason" is that if you keep pigs, you end up with a dirty and unhealthy environment. Important note: Maimonides was writing from Islamic Egypt at the time, which is why he mentions "as may be seen at present in the country of the Franks." (ie France)

The comments about the pig's habit of lying with its legs outstretched come from Midrash Vayikra Rabba (ch 13) where it is mentioned as part of an elaborate metaphor, but not in connection with any reason for particularly abhorring the creature.

Hope that helps. --Dweller (talk) 09:48, 8 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Greek proofing on Wikisource

Hi Cas,

Would you mind bringing your knowledge of Greek to bear on these three Wikisource pages for me please: [2], [3], [4]? It should only take five minutes I think. If you've got a Wikisource or unified account, you can correct any errors you find; else you can let me know and I'll fix them.

Hesperian 02:46, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Much obliged. Hesperian 06:37, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Easy peasy you say... nearly all of the yellow pages on this work contain Greek. s:la:Liber:De assensione Stoici quid senserint.djvu. If you could verify even a few of them, especially p.20, that would be fantastic. John Vandenberg ^(chat) 15:57, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You did a good job on p. 20, only one accent switch. I'll have a look later. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:23, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Updated Ucontribs

I added two columns and refined the scan logic on my most recent run, and since you are the originator of the concept, I re-evaluated you. Feel free to find any problems with the latest update, if you need an incentive, let me just say how disappointed I am that two weeks have passed and it is still not a solid list of FA's :) Also, if you're thinking of asking for a new program to show the changes between runs of my other program - no (at least not yet:). I'm wondering about putting in the latest "failed" status too, as in (Failed GA), but I'd need some category hints to work that in.

Thanks for the idea, what a great way to learn about article assessments; the wide range(/incoherence) of category names; and mostly, the great diversity of interests and accomplishments of editors of the wiki! Franamax (talk) 12:21, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oh heck. I'll go and reply over there...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:30, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Attachment theory

Wikipedia:Peer review/Attachment theory/archive1. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:28, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

userpage

(continuing in this thread despite the different topic) I've skimmed through several categories on commons, like Books and Mappae mundi and Image:Vinland Map HiRes.jpg comes closest to what I think you want. I like the borders, esp. the hue. Unfortunately, it's not easy to lighten and probably not possible at all to remove the ink (I gave it a half-assed try with GIMP). Anyway, just to see if we're on the same page as to your idea. Ideally, several similar but non-identical images of blank pages could be used for something similar to the DT userpage, considering that you have quite a lot of stuff on your userpage (with a different section on each page and some playful navigation). Or did you have something like a central disambiguation in mind, putting all the stuff in different subpages? I envision a self-made treasure map (the real problem would be to get the ragged border to look authentic) with an imagemap overlay on the different words (rendered into the image, possibly handwritten), linking to all the different sections (like on my old userpage or using subpages). And I see a compass rose in one of the corners (bottom right?). Everyme (was Dorftrottel) (talk) 18:34, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(i) I like the font, but I'm not sure how well it would blend into the treasure map concept. (ii) I still can't believe that commons wouldn't have dozens of images like we're looking for among their roughly estimated ten thousand primary and secondary sexual characteristics copyvios. Oh well. On a related note, my GF is a graphic designer, maybe she has an idea where to get such an image, or can help create one that could be filled in. She's also great —professional, actually— with Photoshop, maybe she can alternatively clean up the Vineland map with some of those tools I never use). Everyme (was Dorftrottel) (talk) 06:13, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for not getting back to you earlier. Yes, I look for compass roses on commons, too, and I agree this one is nice and can also easily be used to put it in another picture. It's a pity that the background you found isn't free, because then we'd be ready to go. I've asked my GF about the Vineland map, but she said it would take ages to get it right. Everyme (was Dorftrottel) (talk) 23:09, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A bird-related article that could benefit from your attention

Don Merton. Okay, you made one edit to it back in January 2007. I have a feeling this is a pretty interesting fellow, as would be the saving of the black robin. Of course, I also have a feeling that there are a few other bird-loving editors who pop into this page occasionally and might also be motivated to improve the article. At least this fellow is from the same hemisphere as you. :-) Risker (talk) 04:04, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dunno much about him, for some reason someone really enjoys vandalising Black Robin and I am mystified why. I'll see what I can do. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:12, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

New article

Hello again, I have recently dropped my previous article, Biodistribution, and am now working on Musculoskeletal system. Upon research there is more information regarding this new article.--Dondevoy01 (talk) 14:11, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In need of assistance

Hello Casliber, I saw that you were interested in biological studies and am currently engaged in a project to raise a stub article to GA ( hoping for FA) statis. Incase you are interested please take a look -> Biodistribution. I have found some stuff on it as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dondevoy01 (talk • contribs) 14:56, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sandwich Tern

I see you've taken it on, good work. The display and vision bits at Crested Tern apply for all the genus. The opening sentence isn't fully supported by Bridge - although Elegant is very close, Lesser Crested isn't, other than being in the same genus. I won't abandon this article (after all, one good ... aaaarrrggh, it's catching), but let me know if there's anything specific esp from BWP, Olsen or Harrison, where I have the books. Now, must be time for a couple of slices of bread with some meat in. 10:36, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Attachment theory peer review

How are the frontal lobes doing? Fainites ^barley 21:46, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sleep deprived and head cold. Only doingmindless things. Thx for reminder. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:00, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Australian figs

Been a bit of a spike in editing the few days... Guettarda (talk) 00:22, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cute tool that. We'll see how many GAs, DYKs and FAs we can get. Got bits and pieces of horticultural stuff to add yet :) ...just musing on how to bonsai my species... Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:34, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

UFOINFO

Hi, a site called UFOINFO is used in multiple articles as reference. Do you think it should be considered RS? I cannot see any editorial board or anything by which it can be considered RS. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 05:04, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Neither can I. I guess next step is googling principal writers to see if they are notable independently. Not really my area. Otherwise the newspaper reports listed on the website themselves may have to serve...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:11, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

perennial user page project

How about this? The hue is crap, but it's just a quick edit to see if you like the direction. user:Everyme 14:11, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ooo-arrrr me hearties, it be a fine 'n' tidy start, I be lookin' with keen oyes at what comes next..(seriously looks good, be good if you could make it somehow stretch, as in slot in horizontal bits to keep the bottom pattern at the bottom IYKWIM) Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:20, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I see a minor typo. It says "Welcome to Casliber's Cove" where it should say "Abandon all hope, ye who enter here." Hesperian 14:33, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OH you mean like depressive realism or something...ergh....Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:36, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You could use the image as a fixed frame, with a scrollable text frame overlaid within it, and/or you could use it as a frame for different "pages" like my old userpage (the final revision of my old userpage combined both: "individual pages" each with a scrollable "inner" frame for the content of each page. btw: could you do me a favour and restore it? I find I need access to some formatting tricks I've collected there). At any rate, I'm going to work over the hue and upload a version without the text. It'd be possible to clone the middle (blank) part, but the limitations are manifold (apart from the challenge of making it look halfway acceptable): Different browsers and different users prefer wildly different font sizes, so you'd end up with a scrollable frame any way (where people would have to scroll "twice", once within the page and once within the frame) or you'd end up with blank space towards the bottom. user:Everyme 14:52, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

At User:Everyme/Casliber, I've installed a simply formatted proposal to get us started. Let me know what you think. My idea is to slowly and occasionally keep exchanging until something you like develops (otherwise until you decide you want something completely different, or to keep the current design). user:Everyme 17:04, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've made it width-scalable. I image a pseudo-frame layout similar to my old page, with the added fun of people clicking the Welcome text to arrive at a table of contents with every entry right next to the inner (text frame) scrollbar, at the point corresponding to the position of that section. Should be great after I brush up the background images. user:Everyme 18:27, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

aharon42 new user. adoption

Hi, I saw that you are willing to adopt newbies. I looked over your userpage and I think I really like your eclectic interests. I am starting medical school this coming year after completing research I am doing so I have a whole year to become an experienced WP editor. I would like to learn the basics and even after reading the WP introduction, some things are still not clear so I would really appreciate a mentor to help me through the gray areas. With respect.aharon42 (talk) 05:52, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK aharon42, ask away with whatever you have trouble with and I will see how I can help. Happy to help/mentor etc. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:06, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I'll read up on those pages. Also, I would be very happy to intern with you and do any scut work or research for any of your WP articles so that I can gain experience (Just like I do in the ER already!). I was also going to read your archives and look over edits so that we will be on the same page. You know watch one, do one, teach one.. I am at the watch stage of course. Thanks again.aharon42 (talk) 08:41, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the lead. I will get working on it over the next couple of days. Should I respond here or should we just communicate in one place (Is this crosstalk?) I have seen editors follow both practices. And I love whales and dolphins. I think I have watched every video ever made about them! I would love to write and article about a specific species with you as a more advanced project when I am more skilled.aharon42 (talk) 15:00, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I will also read your lessons to Arjun so you don't have to teach the same thing twice. May I contact him and offer to collaborate with him? I am learning Hindi and am very interested in Indian culture.aharon42 (talk) 15:03, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know of any offhand. Thanks for looking. I'll keep working on that other article you mentioned. Thanks.aharon42 (talk) 15:45, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I took a look at the mallard article and I tried to reference the the first book listed there. The premade template link that you sent me to does not show me how to make a refernce for two authors. I am going to make the reference for one author and then maybe you can show how to do it correctly?? with respectaharon42 (talk) 10:42, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I tried to put in the reference, but I believe that its a chapter or article in a larger book and once again, I dont see that kind of template so I have been defeated, at least temporalily. Any suggestions? aharon42 (talk) 10:50, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(outdent) - I looked through your contributions - did you proceed with the edits or did you just look at preview. I will give you an example at this duck genus. I often just slot them into the first author tag to avoid too much fuss. Give me a minute. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:24, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK, you watching? Like this - see my formatting, illustrating what you do with this, showing the diffs is often very helpful. So note that I can replace the 'first=, last=' with plain old author= and then stuff all the authors in the one category. Different editors do different things so no problem, some like those two sections. Do you follow it? Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:34, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

X-ray specs

I've made another tweak to the uContribs tool. I've run it for yourself - updated numbers, plus the addition of analysis of your Wikipedia-space contribs. (Theoretically, this will be any-space) The notable feature of this is that the program can consolidate your edit counts into "families" - a family being defined as everything before the first slash (/). This gives a little further look into the user activities outside of article space.

All my new software is almost certainly wrong, so prizes for figuring out where it's gone awry. Of course, I already know it works perfectly! (NB there's a little whiffle with total edit count at the "Family" table, so that doesn't count!) Additional comments and suggestions are welcome. Franamax (talk) 01:38, 22 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Aha! Allowed me to check and rerate templates. Fascinating, especially a slew of FAs I helped way down the list. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:05, 22 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

For the record, I tweaked the class rating of the templates so there should be no conflicts (can't tweak the importances but nevermind), if that is worth checking. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:21, 22 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Banksia sphaerocarpa var. pumilio

FloraBase has an entry for this, but no other information.[5] Know anything about it? Hesperian 04:54, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Never mind; I found it.[6] Hesperian 04:55, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... and I see your name in the Acknowledgements too.... Hesperian 05:00, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

XD - cool! We were all always arguing about the distinctness of northern ashbyii, and Alex told me about the incana. sphaerocarpa makes my eyes goggle, I knew about latifolia but had no knowledge of pumilio. Wow, must go and read it now. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:09, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I guess you might want to have a look at this too. Hesperian 11:47, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed a comment of yours

Casliber;
I've undone and edit of yours. It was fairly provocative, don't you think? That being said, I'll do no more w.r.t. it should you (or anyone else) decide to put your "child grooming" comment back.
Cheers big ears,
brenneman 06:55, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(sigh)...(shrugs shoulders) yeah, fair enough. We'll stick to the subject, though I am getting less confident of all aprties accepting consensus in debates outside AfD and FAC...for amusement have a look at Talk:Werewolf#Merger_proposal - at what point do I close this as consensus/no consensus or how %#%(&%%*& long do I leave it open....(jumps back to original topic in stream-of-consciousness typing) I can't chase these Monty orginal sources, I have tried to find a psych definition of pederast but it appears to be treated synonymously with pedophilia or not mnetioned at all in any psych material I have found. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 07:54, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Schizophrenia FAR

Schizophrenia has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 05:21, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What a gem. Can't be bothered with janitorial work (right, that's what I'm for, because I have all the free time in the world), then introduces MoS breaches and reverts me when I correct them, then removes messages from his talk so you can't communicate with him. I guess the world revolves around his needs and the rest of us are just here to clean up. I'm going to unwatch since I'm absolutely certain you can deal with it. In all your free time, ha ! So much for the MDD FAC. Sheesh. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 06:41, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I realize it's been a delicate balancing act, but sheesh; there is WP:UNDUE all over that article. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 05:18, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Which particular bit are you worried about? I will see what I can do. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:49, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Issues and controversies", "Violence" (OR, should rely on one real review rather than stringing together primary studies), "Alternative approaches", "Defining recovery". I suspect a lot of that relies on primary studies and is OR rather than a due weight representation of what secondary reviews say. I'm not going to fuss, as I don't have time to research, but I think that stuff is what is chunking up the article size and it looks like attempts to keep fringe editors happy. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 05:57, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fringe is interesting, had alot of "fun" addressing more extreme stuff fairly regularly. What's left I am not hugely fussed about as there are some valid points there. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 09:35, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK. I'm not inclined to fuss over a non-compliant-with-MoS list with an editor who submits a perfectly fine FA to FAR either :-) I think I'll just let that one go; it's really not worth it to fuss over a good FA with someone who has never significantly edited any article, might not understand FA standards, and doesn't appear to know much about MoS either. Someday, Tony will see that list and fix it. I still think Violence is sending up whitewash red flags, but I've always thought that. It would be good to find what one, solid secondary review has to say, rather than stringing together a lot of primary studies. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:33, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

FWIW it is a much debated topic in psychiatry with differing opinions...and hard to predict. I suspect that as a controversial topic, it will end up at FAR again sometime in the next 12-18 months when someone else is unhappy with it. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:10, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I wish those people would take a gander at Wikipedia:Unreviewed featured articles and pick on the real problems instead of a fine article :-) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:13, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thnaks for the link. Interesting. Now there is some fun hapening at Major depressive disorder, but I need to take teh dog for a walk first I think...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:24, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A Sydney Meetup

G'day all - I'm dropping this note in to let you know that there's to be a Wiki Meetup the week after next, on Tuesday, 21st at 18:00 at The Paragon in Circular Quay. If you've ever thought about popping along to one of these, but haven't had the chance - now's the time! If you love the idea, but the time and / or place don't quite work for you, please do feel free to wiki edit away at the meetup page and I'm sure we can sort something out :-) Meetups are a great way to share wiki-thoughts, meet wiki-friends, and generally learn how to prefix all areas of your life with wiki- :-)

It's a very friendly bunch, and we're hoping to be able to formally collect membership fees and details for the Australian Chapter (did you know that we're the only current english speaking chapter? Join now for kudos and future bragging rights!) - as well as just generally have a good 'ol time. I look forward to seeing you there :-) best, Privatemusings (talk) 07:48, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Schizophrenia

I hope you are able to review my last edit at schizophrenia; I've added a picture from Flickr from the house of someone who shows typical features of schizophrenia. Please review the images on Flickr and let me know what you think. --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 19:02, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'd appreciate your insights here: Talk:Schizophrenia#I_like_the_image_but..... --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 13:22, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject Birds October newsletter

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RfA thanks

Hello Casliber. Thank you very much for your support in my recent Request for Adminship, which was successful with 111 supports, 0 opposes, and 0 neutral. I have to say I am more than a little overwhelmed by this result and I greatly appreciate your trust in me. I will do my best to use the tools wisely. Thanks again. Regards. Thingg^⊕^⊗ 01:13, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Horsey stuff

Cas, I saw this issue mentioned on Lar's talk page;[7] you're the Australian horsey guy :-) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:00, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(groan) I can't actually ride a horse, so my knowledge on the equipment is meagre at best....will take a look if I have time. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:21, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for William Shakespeare Burton

On 14 October, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article William Shakespeare Burton, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Keep up the good work! ~ User:Ameliorate! ^{(with the !) (talk)} 00:20, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Holidays

Thanks, we just had a week on the Isles of Scilly, no new birds for my British list, but Little Bunting, American Golden Plover and Red-eyed Vireo were good. The first Alder Flycatcher for Britain was in Cornwall for the two days before we returned to the mainland, but we missed it by a day, and had to settle for a Rosy Starling. Morocco next, Bald Ibis is the main bird plus assorted larks and wheatears. I'm useless at bird photography, so don't hold your breath! I've stopped doing FAs for the time being because I think you have to allow a month for the process. Good luck, jimfbleak (talk) 13:42, 15 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, having limited time to address stuff is not prudent...I am still bogged down with Major depressive disorder, but was interested in Australian Magpie as it is magpie swooping season here. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:45, 15 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

PS: Loved the food in Morocco, Fez has the best souk/medina I have seen in hte middle east, but OMG the hassling!!! Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:47, 15 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for John Wharlton Bunney

On 16 October, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article John Wharlton Bunney, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

JayHenry (talk) 02:39, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks,but

Thanks for placing Nebraska in the American Civil War on DYK, but I also nominated Alice Springs Reptile Centre.--Gen. Bedford ^{his Forest} 16:20, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, will fix. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:20, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks.--Gen. Bedford ^{his Forest} 23:31, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cheese trees

I was inspecting the hooks at Wikipedia:April Fool's Main Page/Did You Know, and I notice that there needs to be a source that states that the species is called cheese trees. I'm sure that you have a RS for something so basic.

I guess this was my first time looking at your userpage. I didn't know that you were an Aussie, or that Anon Dissident was one either. I love knowing that I have friends all over the world. I do the Great Midwest Trivia Contest, and I once had a player help in a chatroom from your country/continent. The man's accent was interesting and I'm sure that he felt our "Ya der hey" accent was "interesting". The sleep time-warp thing was very advantageous to us. Cheers! Royalbroil 03:03, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, the cosmopolitan aspect is cool, just sucks that it is most likely one won't meet most of them IRL ever, but anyway...back to the topic, the first sentence in the Taxonomy_and_naming section I thought covered it. That ref could be duplicated to the lead, no biggie. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:15, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Major depressive disorder

Yep, the article's looking pretty good, and I should be around. Feel free to let me know when you're ready--I'll also keep checking the talk page. Cosmic Latte (talk) 07:08, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dipor Bil

Hi! Casliber, Thanks for accepting my DYK hook--Nvvchar (talk) 16:04, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Copyedit

Hello, would you like to copyedit The Other Woman for its FAC? Thanks, –thedemonhog talk • edits 00:37, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cripes, bad timing but I will see what I can do. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:44, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Tiger article edit

Hi Casliber,

I've made a few edits to the tiger article recently, but I'm not sure if one of my edits is allowed. In order to lend credence to the claim that unrelated tigers may sometimes be observed feasting on the same prey animal (despite being primarily solitary), I quoted a paragraph from one of my sources, describing a gathering of nine tigers at a single location. I'm still not entirely sure what's allowed with regards to copyright - is quoting a paragraph from a source without obtaining permission from the author first okay (I did reference the quote)? If it isn't, I'll delete it, no worries.

(I originally posted this question in the tiger talk page, but it didn't receive any responses).

Cheers Alphard08 (talk) 04:24, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Help!

Gosh Casliber, I've really done it this time, and desperately need your help. After the exchange about JayHenry's attorney I gave Ceoil a {{uw-preview}} template as a joke. Joking in kind, Ceoil left some obscenities in an edit summary to me. Unfortunately a passing admin User:Tanthalas39 (a good admin, I might add. Under normal circumstances we want admins who defend content contributors from attacks. It just so happened that this was a joke, not an attack, but the difference is hard to pick up on without knowing the history) gave Ceoil a block. I explained and Tanthalas quickly unblocked, but Ceoil was justifiably upset. You know how block logs are on this project. I know I'd be angry to get blocked as part of a misunderstanding. Anyway, Ceoil lashed out a bit, again justifiably. Yet another passing admin, User:MaxSem, gave a 72 hour block. I feel ill. It was just a joke that spiraled out of control, as can only happen on Wiki. MaxSem appears to have left on a short wiki break. I'm at a loss what to do. Ceoil, as you probably know, is one of the project's absolute best contributors, who doesn't deserve to be blocked for my joke gone awry, certainly not for 72 hours. Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated. There's an ANI thread as well, where I've made this plea. --JayHenry (talk) 20:50, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yea, Cas, it may be a good time to shut down that thread ... I'm afraid even if unintended, How Do You Turn This On's posts seem to be rubbing salt in Ceoil's wounds, and we don't need another issue. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:19, 19 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

50K limit?

Cas, I saw your note on the FAC page about 51Kb being over the limit for FAC. That surprised me -- I don't recall an upper limit. Can you point me at where this is written down? I had a quick look at WP:FACR and didn't see anything there. This section of WP:SIZE seems to indicate 100K is really the upper limit for all articles, but perhaps whatever you're referring to is specific to FA? Mike Christie (talk) 13:05, 19 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, using Dr PDA's size tool, there is a readable prose section, which for this article comes out to 52k as opposed to 130 odd kb for the whole shebang. Sandy has quoted it, but I can't remember where the original discussion or consensus was...have ta ask methinks...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:21, 19 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mike at WP:SIZE#Readibility issues, you have to look at readable prose rather than overall size. It has to do with (supposedly) average reader attention span being around 10,000 words max. That page has been around for as long as I have, and was scrutinized during that "Extra-long article committee" deletion debacle. Specific to WIAFA: SIZE is a MoS guideline that falls under Crit. 2, but it's frequently ignored by most reviewers (well, many reviewers frequently ignore a lot of things ... when I was reviewing, I always opposed articles above about 60KB, and I think everything above more or less 11,000 words should be FARC'd or should use better summary style, since I can't load them even on a fast connection). For some size data, see WP:FCDW/October 13, 2008. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:34, 19 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

FA-Team new mission

Hi Casliber, You've probably noticed that the FA-Team has just launched a mission to help WikiProject AP Biology 2008 and WikiProject North of the Rio Grande improve articles towards featured quality. As one with biological skills :-), I'm hoping you would like to join in and support a few articles from one or both of the projects. If so, please add your name to the articles you are watchlisting on the mission page. Thanks, Geometry guy 20:02, 19 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Yellow-rumped Thornbill

On 21 October, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Yellow-rumped Thornbill, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Gatoclass (talk) 03:27, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

For your eyes only

I was mulling a follow-up, but the only thing that came to my mind again and again is the following horrible but great but horrible joke I first heard on Harald Schmidt years ago. There are not many places left for me to go to in order to make new enemies, but I'm confident some may take issue at this.

A guy walks into a butcher shop and orders "Half a pound of liverwurst — but from the chunky, fatty one, please." Says the butcher: "I'm sorry, she's off to vocational school today."

Everyme 14:10, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Is he like a german Andrew Dice Clay or something? I found him funny, but was he serious....Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:22, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Categorisation of dermatology articles on Wikipedia, input wanted

Hey Casliber. Kilbad (talk · contribs) has asked me to ask around a few people to get their opinions on the current catagorisation tree proposed at this discussion, as he seems rather eager to get going with the work but would like a few more opinions. Any chance you could have a quick look and post your thoughts? Cheers. —Cyclonenim (talk · contribs · email) 15:22, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Rainbow Lorikeet split

How is the split going down? I am going to be in Vanuatu in March next year and that species is there, so I will try and get a photo of that subspecies, but it would be especially important to get a photo if it is a split species now. And yes, I'll be getting lots of other images too. Sabine's Sunbird talk 00:12, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Heck, need to read up on it first! My guess would be v. likely, so photos are good. We need some photos for the Category:Arses too....I just stubbed Frill-necked Monarch...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:18, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No Arses in Vanuatu. Try Tom (Aviceda), there are some in Queensland, and if he doesn't have any his photo group might. I have been in email contact with an ornithologist that has been ringing in New Guinea for 20 years and has offered me images. I need to make sure that he is happy with Wiki compatible licences but that would be a major boost even if many are in the hand. Sabine's Sunbird talk 02:27, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Golden Monarch

On 24 October, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Golden Monarch, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Thank you for all that you do for DYK! Royalbroil 00:45, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Arses telescop(h)thalmus

Nevertheless, Ares telescopthalmus for HBW, Howard & Moore, Avibase and the Commission INternationale pour les Noms Français d'Oiseaux. Arses telescophthalmus only in Clements ! Best regards. Jo WARNIER (talk) 14:39, 24 October 2008 (UTC)(Jo WARNIER)[reply]

Peer review on Satanic Ritual Abuse

Hello,

I noticed your name here.

have requested a peer-review on Satanic Ritual Abuse. I would be much interested if you could present your views on the present state of the article. Here:

Wikipedia:Peer review/Satanic ritual abuse/archive1

Thank you,

—Cesar Tort 20:02, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There's a section on Dissociative Identity Disorder in the SRA article about which you might want to tell us your opinion in the peer-review page, if possible. Cheers, Cesar Tort 05:09, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Template Substitution

Hi there. When you add a welcome template to a users talk page please remember to substitute it. If you need more details, help or wish to reply to this message please contact me on my talk page. Thanks ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 14:21, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Tropicbirds

Yeah, I have been more or less trying to figure out the Federal Reserve's reserves in the last 2 weeks or so ;-) As the only other guys in Phaethontiformes would be Prophaethontidae, there is presently nothing to suggest against a merge. It ought to be de-merged eventually, but that I would postpone until we have a fix on where the while lineage actually does belong.

Maybe 5 years from now or so ;-)

So yeah, a merge would be in order I guess. Dysmorodrepanis (talk) 23:06, 27 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Attachment therapy

Could I bore you with a request for another quick peek? Fainites ^barley 23:41, 27 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Will see what I can do. Bit busy for a few days, saw the latest exchanges. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:40, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Fainites ^barley 13:49, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Major depressive disorder - efficacy of treatment

I'll have a think about it later if I get some time. This isn't a subject I know anything about so can only comment from the pov of a new reader. I think the article should give the reader some idea of what is achievable by the two main therapies and also what happens anyway (the natural course of the disease -- you usually get better). There's also the effect of combining the two therapies. Perhaps comment on effectiveness can be better covered within the two treatment sections rather than in a third. Explaining early on what NICE, for example, regard as clinically useful, would help the reader know what is meant by "improved". I believe encyclopaedic articles should prefer to mention the facts rather than the research behind the facts, unless that research is particularly interesting or notable, or if the limitations of the research help the reader understand the limitations of the confidence behind those facts. The recent meta analyses do seem to be notable and the comments made in one seems to have stirred debate. Am I right here, or is this nothing new? Is it possible to confidently state something on the efficacy, or is it too controversial? If the limited effectiveness of the treatment is a point of controversy, then we would be wrong to be silent and give the impression that both therapies are very effective. This is just a quick brain dump. I'll try to write something later more coherent on the FAC or talk page. Colin°^Talk 09:40, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Synapse illustration

I wouldn't have figured that it'd need a source, given that it's pretty basic neuroscience, but I went ahead and added this: "For further information on the image's contents, see, e.g., Julien, R. M. (2005). The neuron, synaptic transmission, and neurotransmitters. In R. M. Julien, A primer of drug action: A comprehensive guide to the actions, uses, and side effects of psychoactive drugs (pp. 60-88)." New York, NY, USA: Worth Publishers." This is my first time editing in the commons, so I'm not completely sure if I did that right, but I hope it's okay. Cosmic Latte (talk) 14:07, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nice one. I'd leave out the 'e.g.' though. We'll see if that is enough. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:03, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

RfA

Hi Casliber! Thank you very much for your support in my RfA, which passed yesterday. I hope not to let you and the others down, and use the tools for the benefit of the project. Cheers, Ynhockey ^(Talk) 22:50, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A shroom I can love

Tuber (genus). Only for making money. Not for eating!!!! OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 23:14, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Happy Halloween!

File:Halloween Hush Puppies.jpg

Photograph of my Halloween-themed Hush Puppies plush basset hounds in my bedroom.

As Halloween is my favorite holiday, I just wanted to wish those Wikipedians who have been nice enough to give me a barnstar or smile at me, supportive enough to agree with me, etc., a Happy Halloween! Sincerely, --A Nobody^{My talk} 21:14, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

can I twist your arm?

I can't be the first to swing by here and wonder if you might be entreated to put your hand up for arbcom? Heck, I might've even pestered you before about this, 'cos it's certainly not the first time the thought crossed my mind!

You'd be outstanding in my opinion, and I think you'd contribute a great deal. If burnout's an issue, then run a wiki-mile, but if you're feeling pretty cool about the whole place, then please please please! - give it some thought anywhoo.... :-) cheers, Privatemusings (talk) 22:04, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Possibly. Let me think about it; I am just revelling in a nice cool day after a few stinky humid days....Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:16, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Gosh. Light at the end of a very dark tunnel. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:57, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'll say, I hate humidity, and Sydney summers are...often keep an eye on cooler palces like New Zealand and Tasmania and Antarctica....Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:08, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Heh Cas - move to Canada ;) 19 today but SNOW earlier this week. I strongly endorse the above suggestion, fwiw, and urge you to consider this. Eusebeus (talk) 23:24, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

alright already! Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:37, 1 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Good for you! MDO looks good btw, especially given the complexity of the topic. You and the other principals deserve a lot of credit. Eusebeus (talk) 19:48, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

here goes nothing...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:16, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed deletion of Lost Tomb of Martek

A proposed deletion template has been added to the article Lost Tomb of Martek, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but this article may not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice should explain why (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page.

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yep, I saw - it has a reference, needs copywritten material addressed. removed prod.Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:48, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ghost Legends of Indiana

Ghost Legends of Indiana was a co-nom by myself and Bruce1ee, but I didn't get nom credit. Would you mind doing me the honors? Thanks.--Gen. Bedford ^{his Forest} 05:41, 1 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oops, sorry, I guess I forgot to add you, Bedford, when I added your nom to the next update. – RyanCross (talk) 05:49, 1 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Religion ref in MDD article

What's your opinion about referencing the (currently-referenced) primary study--as well as the secondary study noted immediately afterwards, for that matter--regarding religiousness in the MDD article? I've been agonizing over this, because so many people (including, I presume, the majority of folks who'll read the article) are religious in one way or another, and so they might like to have this sort of information. I respect your opinions enough that I'm willing to defer to your views on this. Cosmic Latte (talk) 22:29, 1 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have thouht about it and am inclined to leave it in for the reasons you mention above. Big topic in psychiatry (i.e. schizm or ignorance of religion). Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:47, 1 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Flaming joel-wiki - you missed one!

Is it me, or have you overlooked RJHall, nominator of Earth? ;) — Ceran → (Talk) (email) 22:32, 1 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Crap. Don't remember, I will have a look later. I thought I did but it was a while ago, did you chekc his archives? Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:46, 1 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, yea. Looks like a miss. Sorry for troubling you, I didn't know if I could actually do it myself, and didn't really think it was a case of boldness... — Ceran → (Talk) (email) 23:04, 1 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

s'fine. Yes, you can be bold in future, I dont own the joel-wiki :) Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:10, 1 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Beer thirty

Dude, you need a beer for your FAC on Major depressive disorder that seems to be getting more fun by the minute. This is about all I appear to be able to do right now. I seem to be zealous enough to work on topics I'm a bit removed from; depression is not one of those topics. Stay strong. You're an excellent article writer. --Moni3 (talk) 03:50, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Heh, need something a bit stronger than that! (Deep breath...Calm blue ocean, Calm blue ocean, calm blue ocean....) Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 09:19, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Morocco

Surprisingly, no hassle at all, even in the souk of Marrakech. This was a fairly laid back trip, since the birds are largely the same as in southern Europe (although often different ssp). Ten new species for me though, and four others which I'd not seen in the western Palaeoarctic before. 129 species in total seen. Like I said, I'm no bird photographer, and my few feeble efforts aren't as good as the existing images. I've added a photo to Houbara Bustard, which didn't have one. The endangered Northern Bald Ibis was seen every day (apart from the last three when we were in the Atlas Mountains) in numbers ranging from 25 to 86 per day, and feeding flocks would come quite close if you got ahead of them and then kept still. Cold in the mountains at night (snow on the high tops), but a wood stove was lit in our room every afternoon. jimfbleak (talk) 13:23, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Went through, stayed three nights at La Bergerie a bit further on from Asni, near Ourigane. An Interesting road! jimfbleak (talk) 13:28, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Elting Memorial Library DYK

For some reason, this was accidentally credited to Otherleft with New Paltz (village), New York, as the new article. Just letting you know. Daniel Case (talk) 15:50, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Medical Smartness

Hi, saw you on adoption page, know you're busy, but I'm a newbie, would like to save Lisa Masson; can you help? Webwinnow (talk) 00:22, 4 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

heads up

The discussion at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals/2008/November#Cat:Australian plant stubs: by state, or by taxon will impact you. Hesperian 00:38, 4 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Star of life

Do not give up. You are doing an amaizing job with depression. Lets hope its enough. Best regards

Unwanted advice

Deep breaths, gritted teeth and fixed smile. If that doesn't work, try a primal scream. Fainites ^barley 19:24, 4 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks both of you :) Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:20, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Marking interruptions

Hi Casliber! Did you see my concern about the major depression FAC discussion being difficult to follow? I'm wondering if you could start using the {{interrupted}} template when you write something in the middle of another editors reply (like here)? I understand that this takes a some of your time away from actually addressing the issues raised, but it would really help someone like me, who is trying to follow the discussion and hopefully have something to say. Thank you for all the great work on this article! /skagedal^... 12:30, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I will try that in about five minutes once I have stuck in some refs for the 2nd last of Vassyana' points. Good call. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:44, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

PS: How was that? I tried to stick in a few. I am knackered! It is 1am here and I need to sleep (thunk) (sound of head hitting keyboard...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz)

Thank you, I really appreciate it! Hope you have a very good sleep! /skagedal^... 14:09, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Noisy Friarbird

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Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions. – RyanCross (talk) 07:12, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Black-throated Finch

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Gatoclass (talk) 11:42, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Apostlebird

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BorgQueen (talk) 02:11, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Efficacy section in MDD

Just wondering what you think about my suggestion here to trim the section--either that, or perhaps eliminating the section entirely, so that it can be reserved for Treatment for depression and receive due expansion there? Cosmic Latte (talk) 10:06, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Hydnellum

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Victuallers (talk) 16:06, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wollstonecraft and Shelley material added to talk page

I hope that the material I added on Wollstonecraft and Shelley won't make you tear out your hair. See, they are right on the cusp of the melancholia/depression switchover. Think of it as an "opportunity". :) Awadewit (talk) 16:41, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting article

See this. I usually don't think in such psychological terms, but it's an interesting concept. Curious what you think. MastCell ^Talk 18:23, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hehehe, fairly standard practice in consultation-liaison psychiatry to use the availability of various items - physican availibility, an escalating assortment of medication for insomnia/pain/anxiety etc. in this way, the "don't worry, if X happens we can do Y", a sorta cloak of security. Not seen it written WRT attachment theory before, but nice to link it to a theoretical framework - can also link it to psychodynamic ideas too really WRT a secure frame (of availability) a la big Don Winnicott's Holding environment. Lotsa cool ways to look at things in psych. I thoroughly recommend Games People Play for a good read on relating to patients - easy to read and humrous at the same time, Becoming Attached by Robert Karen is a fantastic book as well which is a great introduction to attachment theory and written in clear english which is a pleasure to read so anyone can read it.

Attachment theory kicks arse :) Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:30, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'll look at Games People Play. My approach to the physician-patient relationship is more based on The House of God, but maybe there's room to learn something new. :) MastCell ^Talk 22:50, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Although actually, my favorite take on psychoanalysis is What Do You Hear In These Sounds, by Dar Williams. Spend the $0.99 on iTunes - I think you'll appreciate it. MastCell ^Talk 22:55, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK then, House of God was fun when I was a med student/intern I must admit...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:57, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject: Dungeons & Dragons

Hi! I’ve been working on a lot of ‘’Dungeons & Dragons’’ articles lately and saw that you've edited some too, and am inviting you to join Wikipedia’s D&D group. I've been hard at work removing tags placed inappropriately on D&D articles, as well as modifying articles to remove tags that were placed legitimately. In addition, I have been compiling related articles together so that the articles are longer, making it easier to remove tags and to have short articles on lesser topics by just putting it into another appropriate article (links to such compiled articles can be found on my userpage). Check out the project here , and ask any questions that you may have here. Thank you for your time. Drilnoth (talk) 21:08, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Little Pied Cormorant

Regarding your DYK nom of Little Pied Cormorant...is the verification for the hook (that the eggs are covered in lime) given at Beruldsen, G (2003). Australian Birds: Their Nests and Eggs. Kenmore Hills, Qld: self. pp. p. 190. ISBN 0-646-42798-9. {{cite book}}: |pages= has extra text (help) ? I just wanted to check, because it's unclear to me (because of the placement of the ref in the main article). Thanks, —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 23:19, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that actually references the whole paragraph. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:29, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

MDD FAC

Perhaps the three-initial acronyms are to be the end of me at FAC. I sense that some of the frustration is arising from the length of time it is taking for issues to be addressed, and in the meantime, more issues arise (for example, the prose deterioration that was introduced today is troubling to me (for example, Rating scales is now such a jumble of clauses, out of order, and confusing that I expect Tony would have something), and it's all still there). I think getting on issues quickly would be helpful, as the FAC page is mushrooming. How did you find time to write a DYK today ? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:58, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The DYK was a pleasant diversion, which this page is less of. The good thing is most of the subclauses can go to daughter pages, which I have just done with Hamilton and will do with others. What I was wondering now was what happened to the comorbid section as I was sure those things were cited before and the inlines seem to have disappeared (??) Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:38, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's why I'm now worried more about this article than earlier in the FAC: I left a link on the article talk page of what the Comorbid section looked like coming in to FAC, and it's been reduced to something that's problematic in terms of 1) prose, 2) comprehensiveness, and 3) focus (it's straying off topic now, and doesn't cover the basics of comorbidity and depression). And comorbidity in depression isn't a hard topic to research, there is so much to be said about it, sources are easy to come by, yet it's been reduced to some hard-to-parse phrases about people and their backgrounds. Look back at the link to the pre-FAC text I left on talk: the section was clear (albeit a bit brief, IMO). I'm not sure, but it seems like some editors may be basing edits on article abstracts only, rather than accessing full text. I don't know if those cite tags are warranted: if I had better journal access, I might be more able to help. Maybe you need to ask Eubulides or Tim Vickers to come in, as they have good journal access ? From a FAC point of view, the FAC is such a Dog's Dinner that it's hard to tell what is addressed and what isn't, but each time I go back to the article to check, I find more jumbled prose. And based on RCC experience, a restart isn't effective to clear things up until/unless reviewing editors understand that they need to manage the FAC page differently. I wonder if this is an indication of why we have so few FAs in the psychology realm: what a jumble! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 04:20, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Russula brevipes

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Gatoclass (talk) 03:16, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Little Pied Cormorant

Hi Casliber... I see you have been improving the Little Pied Cormorant page and inter alia have adopted the Microcarbo genus name. I haven't reverted it, because I see you are basing this on a new and reliable source (which I don't have), but as you no doubt know Phalacrocoracine taxonomy is even more of a mess than most groups and we have been struggling with it on the Cormorant family page. So I wonder if you could hold your horses before doing any more genus changing in the family, while we seek consensus? It would be highly desirable if the genus names on individual species pages continued to reflect the ones used on the family page. For the moment there we are sticking to a single genus Phalacrocorax, though that is certainly not immutable - I and others who have wrestled with this lot would certainly welcome continuing discussion not to mention the introduction of recent research results. Thanks. seglea (talk) 19:32, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK, to make matters even more fun, the same book (Christidis and Boles 2008) also has Phalacrocoraciformes listed as the order name, with Pelicans placed in Ciconiiformes, and the whale-billed stork as close relative (to pelicans). It gives a good summary of teh recent developments taxonomically and which studies support what. I would love to get involved but am just going through a rather hefty featured article debate on Major depressive disorder..maybe in a few weeks.Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:50, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I'm in favour of giving this one time... It would be good to get some of our taxonomy experts involved too so we can establish a consensus way forward before we start changing anything. But I don't have time at the moment either. seglea (talk) 20:59, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Maslow image in MDD article

Do you think that the image of Maslow's hierarchy of needs should be kept in the article? Is it too tangential/bulky/hard to read, or is it of limited relevance (as Skagedal suggested about a larger version that I'd added earlier), or is it a useful illustration? Cosmic Latte (talk) 14:28, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It is a bit off-topic, but OTOH I know the difficulties finding images. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 18:47, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protection request

Hi Casliber. Would you please assist by semi-protecting Confucianism? There are daily depredations, and it's been going on far too long: mostly anonymous tinkerings without edit summaries. The fact that some of these look vaguely plausible makes them more insidious than vandalism of the four-letter-word genus.

–_⊥^{¡ɐɔıʇǝo}Noetica!^T– 02:54, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done. ping me after three months and if it continues then I will make it indefinite. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:15, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks. I'll continue to watch over the article, and I'll keep you informed as necessary.

Best wishes.

–_⊥^{¡ɐɔıʇǝo}Noetica!^T– 03:41, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

ah go on :-)

I'm hoping the one on the left will go into the one on the right. :-) Privatemusings (talk) 03:36, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Took me a few hours to get that joke...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:49, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

and a few more to think about it! - I'm very pleased you've stuck your hand up, and hope it all goes smoothly, no matter what the result.... :-) cheers, Privatemusings (talk) 02:34, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject Birds November newsletter

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DYK for Little Pied Cormorant

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Thank you

Thank you very much for your support in my RfA, which closed as successful a few hours ago. The backing of major content contributors such as yourself and Hesperian is particularly flattering, and enough to drive me to read up on banksias. So thanks again, and feel free to stop by with any advice or gentle pushing in the right direction along the way. Euryalus (talk) 11:30, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ska

Thanks for the tangently related Shane Meadows link, but, erm this is ska [8]. Be more correct, man ;) Ceoil ^sláinte 22:18, 14 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you want something nice to look at, have a look at this dish. Oh Mercy. Ceoil ^sláinte 22:25, 14 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, would never have taken you for a cramps guy! You have hidden depts; or should that be hidden shallow spots! Either way, any band that can build a career out of being even more basic and cartoonish than the Ramones is ok in my book. Ceoil ^sláinte 22:30, 14 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Iggy Pop? grungy pub? front row? 1988? I'm not worthy.......Hail Casliber..... Ceoil ^sláinte 22:45, 14 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dead Kennedys? The odd thing is that I used to really believe in that. I only care these days about this. As you get aulder you hair goes grey, then falls out, then girls call you mr, then open doors for you, next thing you know...spat.Ceoil ^sláinte 02:27, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(DKs are quite fun too, loved too drunk to fuck) My other half likes that song, and I don't. Her prerequisite is intelligent lyrics and (most often) an indy/guitar sound, which I make fun of, OTOH she writes of my taste in decerebrate chantlike monotony, that one of hwich I regarda s one of the best songs of all time. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:36, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

O Casliber, I can only imagine how annoying a partner with a taste for "intelligent lyrics" can be be. Poor, poor you! If nobody else, at least us guys on the internet have sympathy. Anyway, cant think of any other hardcoreband at this hour so here is a random sketch from the fr ted guys.[9]. Ceoil ^sláinte 04:15, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Found this on my travels, an 1810 painting by Caspar David Friedrich. The article is titled "The Depths of Despair, as Plumbed by Artists", a very flippant title, and demeaning to Friedrich. The other images in the article I don't care for, but The Monk by the Sea is really somethinig. Ceoil ^sláinte 06:02, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ahaaa, very interesting! Nice ~~photo~~ painting...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 07:15, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cas, re[10]; you mean she listens with her brain, you listen with your....Ceoil ^sláinte 00:21, 16 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

He he; sorry if I offended you delicate sensibilities, you dirty fecker! Ceoil ^sláinte 02:08, 16 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I can never remember if its yesterday or tomorrow in Oz, but if its tomorrow there now, here is a nice sunday morning tune for you. Ceoil ^sláinte 02:12, 16 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

this should cheer you up!. Ceoil ^sláinte 04:44, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

MDD updates

A couple things you might want to have a look at: 1) I completely reworded the existentialism section, so hopefully now it has clearer clinical relevance, and it also refers only to psychologists; and 2) I found a review about bullying and added it to Talk:Major_depressive_disorder#Bullying_and_depression. Cosmic Latte (talk) 14:22, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Opinion requested

Hey Casliber, would you care to weigh in at WP:ANI#Everyme? Thanks, Grsz ¹¹ ^→Review! 22:25, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Albatrellus subrubescens

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Cirt (talk) 06:07, 16 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comprehensive articles

We are planning to get British India up to featured status. Details on the peer review are on the talk page. =Nichalp «Talk»= 13:52, 16 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Art, depression, melancholia, and beauty

An article I thought you might find interesting. A bit superficial, as it is a review, but fun nonetheless. Awadewit (talk) 20:44, 16 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ceoil had just pointed it out to me above, I like it, especially the Monk by the sea painting. We don't use the "chin resting on hand" sign clinically...but amusing nonetheless :) Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:05, 16 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Editor review

Just so you know, I've put myself up for editor review here. Because you've been familiar with my work for several months now--in fact, you're probably more familiar with it than anyone else is, because you're the principal editor of the MDD article, which is where most of my WikiEnergy (is that a word?) has gone--your feedback would be most useful and most appreciated, if you have a moment. Thanks, Cosmic Latte (talk) 23:43, 16 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the feedback! Much appreciated. Cosmic Latte (talk) 02:55, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dispatch interview

Per this discussion, I'm hoping you'll be interested in being interviewed for the Dispatch, to be published in the Signpost within a few weeks. I started a temp page at Wikipedia:FCDW/WBFAN. Usually, the format is that interviewees drop in some text and Tony1 or Jbmurray copyedit, but I suspect that we won't need copyediting and trimming here, so I see it as more of a pick and choose, narrowing down responses only if needed. The goal is to highlight your work, and to guide, inspire and motivate other writers. If you're interested, dig in ! If not, just leave a note on the talk page of that temp page and I'll remove you. I'll tentatively aim for the November 24th Signpost. Thanks, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:48, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fine by me. Drop in text....where? Or wait for questions? Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:30, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's at Wikipedia:FCDW/WBFAN; dig in :-) When it's ready for publication, I'll move it to regular Dispatch page. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:31, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Queries at Wikipedia talk:FCDW/WBFAN; images and the Danish journal article link. Best, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:09, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Arbcom Election Questions et al

Good morning. I've posted the list of general questions for all candidates at your Questions for the Candidate page, found here. You also have one individual question to answer; I imagine there will be more, we look to be question-heavy this time around. If you have any questions, please feel free to ping my talk page. Good luck with your candidacy, UltraExactZZ ^Claims~ Evidence 14:21, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your candidacy

I have often felt that ArbCom required the services of a psychiatrist, though perhaps not quite so literally. :) Good luck. MastCell ^Talk 20:02, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hehehe. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:39, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Paecilomyces lilacinus

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~ User:Ameliorate! ^{(with the !) (talk)} 00:25, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A year or so later and I need the admin bit

Would you be so kind as to undelete Image:SteinbeckCortez.jpg? It was replaced in The Log from the Sea of Cortez by a no doubt well-meaning editor, but unfortunately the new image (aside from already being in the article) is of an earlier, different book. Cheers, Yomangani ^talk 02:29, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like BL beat me to it :) Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:37, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, thanks for the Monkey Magic. Yomangani ^talk 02:45, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

pass me my magic cloud and faithful priest sidekick...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:52, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Don't bring out the nasty headband. Oh mosta... do stop it.... it hurts.....YellowMonkey (click here to choose Australia's next top model) 03:37, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think he got the joke - no sense of humour...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:40, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

DRV on Shirley the Loon

The deletion of that article is being discussed, and I appreciate your input. FMAFan1990 (talk) 02:33, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Music

I'm bringing the war directly to you: [11]. WesleyDodds (talk) 04:37, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't need this pressure on! Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:31, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Review

Now that MDD has quietened somewhat, can you finish your review of Attachment therapy please. Fainites ^barley 08:36, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How about - when it stops being so bloody noisy in here!!!! Fainites ^barley 18:07, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Entoloma hochstetteri

On 19 November, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Entoloma hochstetteri, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 05:41, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

graphic request

Hi Cas, Sorry for flaking out and not getting back to you. I've started a new job IRL running a lab and have much free time now than I did in the spring/summer. I should probably mark that I am on a wikibreak, as I am mostly logging in to make sure that a bunch of pages that are on my watchlist but not many other people's don't get trashed. Best regards. de Bivort 18:54, 20 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's cool. Good luck with your job..Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:05, 20 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Vampire

An astute observation about vampires in movies: "I Vant To Upend Your Expectations". --JayHenry (talk) 14:09, 21 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nice little read that, need to keep it up me sleeve for those befanged daughter articles was gonna get round to doing for a featured topic sometime...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:25, 21 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

An even better one: A Vampire's Life? It's Really Draining. --JayHenry (talk) 04:05, 26 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Gawd, gotta get 'round to making all teh befanged stuff a Featured Topic at some stage, a more immediate one is critters in my garden what make drive my dog crazy and make him bark at 5AM...Laughing Kookaburra, Rainbow Lorikeet, Willie Wagtail (FA), Brown Rat (in neighbour's compost bin), Superb Fairy-wren (we..ell, they don't make him bark but they should be included for all-round cuteness)....the first two species have tunnelled a hole in my 6m high date palm and littered the patio with crap. Stupid pooch wants to catch them...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:16, 26 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Twilight (2008 film)

Not quite a good Zombie movie, but it's getting good press here in the US of A. Hopefully, it's better than that crappy HBO series that I won't mention! OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 17:50, 21 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Paraphrasing

Did you want to try rephrasing some of the existential paragraph in MDD, so that it doesn't rely so heavily on quotations? In my estimation, Rollo May writes so eloquently that it'd be difficult to paraphrase his words without diminishing them, but I'd have no problem if you'd like to give it a try. Cosmic Latte (talk) 14:33, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I did but I found that he phrased it rather well and found it difficult to capture the meaning so succicntly. It is late here and I need to sleep, but I have just found this nice review article to replace a a Sadock ref and I am digesting the fulltext..Let me think on May. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:44, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Barnstar

Thanks for the barnstar, and for getting me 'hooked' on DYK! Let me know if you'd be up for a fungal-related collaboration sometime. Sasata (talk) 16:35, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Redlink in Isla_Nublar#Triceratops_Enclosure

Hi Casliber! I think I have seen you work on plant related articles in the past (sorry if I am confused), but anyway, I noticed in that section a red link for West Indian Lilac. It does get a number of Google book hits, so do you think it is worth starting an article or would I be better off redirecting it somewhere and if so, where might be a good place? Best, --A Nobody^{My talk} 20:21, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Peer review

Any help would be appreciated here. Libro0 (talk) 20:36, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment on Gavin.collins

Hello. :) Could you please comment here on the latest outbreak of activity from Gavin.collins? Thank you. BOZ (talk) 21:26, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Alastair Haines situation

Hi Casliber-
I read your note on AH's talk page and I thought I'd attempt to provide some insight into my thoughts that I may not have provided on his talk page.
The first block was placed solely because he violated his arbcom editing restrictions. To characterize what happened before the block as an argument is not entirely accurate: he was close to violating his arbcom sanctions, I warned both him and the other edit warrer with exactly the same warning. He responded with a statement something along the lines of 'this is none of your business, I'm not edit warring but everyone else is' (I'm paraphrasing here, I don't remember what exactly he said) I replied something along the lines of 'actually, that's not correct'. After that I walked away and waited to see what he would do and... lo and behold, he ignored my warning and reverted. Per his arbcom sanctions he is confined to one revert per page per week, and the diffs clearly show that he violated this. Thus, I blocked him for 48 hours. That's when the circus began of him removing my statements and replacing them with misquotations out of context. Somewhat bewildered, I went out and found an uninvolved admin with whom I've never before had any major interactions (so AH couldn't say it was just a buddy of mine- although he did anyway) and asked him to review the block- which he did and agreed with me about the correctness of the block. He decided, after some rather bad behavior on AH's part, to lock the talk page and extend the block.
While I do support transparency and the idea that admins are not above other editors and don't really have the right to boss others around- I would strongly suggest that for the sake of your own sanity you not get involved. This is a very messy situation that seems to operate much like a black hole- it sucks everything in and all you're left with is bad feelings all around. You are free, of course, to ignore my advice since it's only that, advice, but... L'Aquatique[talk] 22:21, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(sigh/groan) I know - i was also going to look at the context of events leading up to it too as well, WRT editing that accursed page...I can see both sides and acknowledge your explanation as I too would have asked someone...gotta run.Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:29, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

British India

Hi! Thanks for the suggestion on British India. My earlier post actually referred to your reply to my comment that confused you on WT:FAC. I immediately pinged you, and would have made sense at that moment, but since it was awhile that you logged in, you probably missed the connection. I need to work on clarifying my posts. Thanks for looking into it. :) =Nichalp «Talk»= 14:55, 23 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Horce race

Heh, didn't know you were running for the AC too. It's really turning a bit into the U.S. Democratic caucuses, no? Everybody longs for change in the AC, and there are many excellent change candidates. And my tactical voting plan gets more complicated by the hour, thanks for that. Anyway, good luck in the horse race and see you around. 78.34.157.179 (talk) 19:36, 23 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hehehe, we'll see what happens ;) Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:53, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

FYI

It looks like no one notified you re: this. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:14, 23 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Editor review, part 2

Thanks for the additional comments. Your advice is sound, and I'll do my best to heed it. You might also want to have a look at Mattisse's review, as she mentioned you in it. Cosmic Latte (talk) 06:07, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Typos

Re: [12] – thank you for correcting my typos, it is appreciated! :-) /skagedal^... 11:15, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No problems, we just have to be really careful not to change meanings. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:28, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

RfA thanks

		The RfA Barnstar
		Casliber, I would like to thank you for your participation in my recent Request for Adminship, which passed with 112 supports, 4 opposes and 5 neutrals. A special mention goes out to Stwalkerster and Pedro for nominating me, thanks a lot for having trust in me! In response to the neutrals, I will try to double check articles that have been tagged for speedy deletion before I CSD them and will start off slowly with the drama boards of ANI and AN to ensure that I get used to them. In response to the oppose !votes on my RfA, I will check that any images I use meet the non-free content criteria and will attempt to handle any disputes or queries as well as I can. If you need my help at all, feel free to simply ask at my talk page and I'll see if I can help. Once again, thank you for your participation, and have a great day! :) The Helpful One 22:23, 25 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

design by neurolysis | to add this barnstar to your awards page, simply copy and paste {{subst:User:Neurolysis/THOBS}} and remove this bottom text | if you don't like thankspam, please accept my sincere apologies

BLP cases

If you're searching for cases related, I think two of the more important are the Badlydrawnjeff case and the Footnoted quotes case. Footnoted quotes isn't really about BLP content, but it established the "special enforcement" provisions that relate specifically to BLP. The Matthew Hoffman case also wasn't directly about BLPs, but it did get into how we deal with BLP-like problems involving editors and administrators who edit with their real names. Fair amount of interesting discussion in the workshop and on the proposed decision talkpage, although you'll have to wade through neck-deep crap to find it.

Going through the closed cases page, here are some links:

Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Sarah_Palin_protection_wheel_war (wheel war on the protection of a high profile BLP)
Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Footnoted_quotes (special enforcement provisions)
Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Bluemarine (The subject of the case was also the subject of a BLP, Bluemarine edited the article about him almost exclusively and the issues discussed related to his conduct and the leeway given to an article subject)
Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Privatemusings (only tangentially related to BLP, mostly "conduct on BLPs" and no new principles that I'm aware of)
Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Jeffrey_Vernon_Merkey (same basic issue as Bluemarine, subject of a BLP editing Wikipedia)
Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Badlydrawnjeff (prohibits admins from undeleting content removed as violating BLP without full discussion with deleting administrator)
Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Daniel_Brandt_deletion_wheel_war (More internal drama than anything else, but is specifically about the deletion of a BLP)

Those I think are the big cases that deal with BLPs in 2008 and 2007. I'm sure I'm missing one or two, but if you look into them I'm sure any major principles articulated are cited to previous cases if they aren't new. I didn't follow arbitration prior to 2007, and the descriptions aren't very in depth, so I'm not completely sure which if any of the pre-2007 cases apply. I don't recall any being major factors in the above decisions. Avruch^T 00:34, 26 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that, much appreciated. My free time is frustratingly evaporating ATM...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:27, 26 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cooper's Hawk

Greetings. The article Cooper's Hawk is no longer being edited by Peace Maker as part of the Wikipedia:WikiProject AP Biology 2008. I apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused. Hopefully, this will not discourage you from continuing your participation in other such projects. I've encountered a steady stream of students who have opted for "Scholastic Attrition". Those that remain should represent a very dedicated group. Respectfully. --JimmyButler (talk) 14:52, 26 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

no problem. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 17:29, 26 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Banksia serrata type specimen

I'm reading Richard Fortey's Dry Storeroom No. 1: The Secret Life of the Natural History Museum, and I noticed that he includes a colour plate of the Banksia serrata type specimen. It's a picture of an old book, open, with the left hand side showing the pressed and dried type specimen, and the right hand side showing an illustration of it. Is this something you can justify fair use for, and use in an article? If so, let me know and I can scan it for you. Mike Christie (talk) 16:15, 26 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

thanks for the offer, but I think I have an illustration of B. serrata type specimen in another book as well (popular subject :)) Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 17:33, 26 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I should have guessed you'd have everything there was on the topic! -- Mike Christie (talk) 17:36, 26 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

yeah, pretty much XD Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 17:39, 26 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Straw poll on whether I should remove the cheers bit from my sig

Dear all, as it is often customary to end a talkpage entry with some sort of "cheers", "regards", "sincerely" or "yours faithfully", I appended "cheers" onto my sig as in 95/100 cases I was ahving to type out the damn thing or something similar, and I would rather the impression of a positive tone more often than less often. Now, Mattisse has a problem with it, so I will stick up a straw poll here to see what/if anyone else cares. If there is a majority saying I should remove it I will - I will end this poll the first time I log on in December:

Keep

.Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 18:00, 26 November 2008 (UTC) (actually this usage is the only other annoying time :) )[reply]
I like that we all use a variety of different pleasantries. In any event, I find niceties as a good thing and way of defusing hostility. I would never be annoyed by even a little gesture of being nice, courteous, and respectful. Sincerely, --A Nobody^{My talk} 18:09, 26 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Do you know, I thought you typed the damn thing out every time. I'd miss it if it went. (Shouldn't these sections be marked "Cheers" and "Boos" ?) Fainites ^barley 18:57, 26 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Seriously, this really shouldn't even have to be a straw poll. –Juliancolton ^Tropical ^Cyclone 20:00, 26 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
[13] Hesperian 03:16, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You must be Australian, I wager! Its a nationalistic thingie. —Mattisse (Talk) 04:20, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I respectfully advise Mattisse to choose her battles (more) carefully (than this). Cheers, Cosmic Latte (talk) 03:48, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, my! Respectfully? Wow. The world has shifted on its axis! I rather like the idea of Arbcom decisions being sprinkled with an automatic "Cheers" all over the place. It will make those other stuffy Arbcom members take notice! Perhaps they will even become cheery! Cheers, —Mattisse (Talk) 04:16, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Remove ( retitled 'Keep so as to impress the editors you sanction in Arbcom with your cheeriness' by Mattisse)

.—Mattisse (Talk) 19:57, 26 November 2008 (UTC) - I prefer the personal touch rather than the impersonal, automatic "Cheers" built in to Casliber's signature, as it is a meaningless automatism. Is it that hard to personalize a signature? A built-in "Cheers" is in no way personal to the comment Casliber is making or the person to whom he is making it. I can just see the "Cheers" on his signature as he votes to sanction an editor in ArbCom![reply]

Happy Thanksgiving!

I just wanted to wish those Wikipedians who have been nice enough to give me a barnstar or smile at me, supportive enough to agree with me, etc., a Happy Thanksgiving! Sincerely, --Happy Thanksgiving! Sincerely, A Nobody^{My talk} 02:53, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

^ Letter is script and looks like a Russian и.
^ Maimonides, Guide for the perplexed, Book III ch.48. Can be viewed online at http://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/gfp/gfp184.htm

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+::You must be Australian, I wager! Its a nationalistic thingie.  &mdash;[[User:Mattisse|<font color="navy">'''Mattisse'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Mattisse|Talk]]) 04:20, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
 #I respectfully advise Mattisse to choose her battles (more) carefully (than this). Cheers, [[User:Cosmic Latte|Cosmic Latte]] ([[User talk:Cosmic Latte|talk]]) 03:48, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
 ::Oh, my! Respectfully? Wow. The world has shifted on its axis! I rather like the idea of Arbcom decisions being sprinkled with an automatic "Cheers" all over the place. It will make those other stuffy Arbcom members take notice! Perhaps they will even become cheery! Cheers, &mdash;[[User:Mattisse|<font color="navy">'''Mattisse'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Mattisse|Talk]]) 04:16, 27 November 2008 (UTC)