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Errors in the summary of the featured article

Please do not remove this invisible timestamp. See WT:ERRORS and WP:SUBSCRIBE. - Dank (push to talk) 01:24, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Errors in "Did you know ..."

Current DYK

Possible T. rex coprolite

Poozeum

• ... that the Poozeum holds fossilized dinosaur feces (pictured) which may have come from a T. rex?

There are multiple issues:

• The copyright status of the image is not quite clear and is currently being challenged.
• WP:DYKHOOK specifies that hooks should be a "definite fact". Words like "may have" and "possible" are not definite.
• The sources in the article for the Tyrannosaurus rex connection are not respectable or reliable, being ClickOrlando and Thrillist. For example, Thrillist says that this is the "largest discovered coprolite" but it isn't because it forgot the word "carnivore". That site feels quite unsafe and so we shouldn't be using using it when there are more respectable sources like the BBC. Notice that the BBC also reports the "largest coprolite found that belongs to a carnivore" too but is more careful to not add the T. Rex hype.
• The coprolite is named Barnum. P. T. Barnum didn't actually say "there's a sucker born every minute" but instead that you should "Preserve your integrity".

Andrew🐉(talk) 06:14, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

@RoySmith: pinging. BorgQueen (talk) 08:46, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

@Gobonobo: pinging. BorgQueen (talk) 08:47, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

I trust that the image was uploaded by the copyright owner mostly based on this exchange. The crux of the deletion argument is that it is not similarly marked as CC-BY-SA on the website. To the guideline requiring a definite fact that is unlikely to change, we could say it definitely could be a T. rex coprolite, and that uncertainty is unlikely to change. Truth is, it is notoriously difficult to ascertain the creator of a coprolite. We know it was from a carnivore and that T. rex were found in the same area. I know of no larger coprolites. gobonobo ^{+ c} 10:41, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Fridge smuggling

• ... that a £142 wine fridge was smuggled into Downing Street on 11 December 2020, during the height of the COVID-19 lockdown in the United Kingdom?

Per smuggling, this is illegal transportation. But the delivery of a refrigerator by an ordinary supplier seems to have been quite open, normal and legal. The word "smuggled" comes from a headline in a British red-top tabloid and this is not an acceptable source for an accusation of crime. See WP:TABLOID, WP:HEADLINES, &c. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:23, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

• ALT3 ("Wine Time Fridays") is now fine as an alternative, as I've added an extra cite so that it's not just the Mirror. (However said red-top tabloid was the one that broke the Partygate story and I don't believe any of its reporting has been challenged, so it's probably OK anyway). Black Kite (talk) 10:05, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

• The nomination had a fraught history and was previously pulled by AirshipJungleman29 for violating WP:DYKHOOKBLP. I agree that there are significant WP:BLP issues here. And the page is poor quality as it's not a properly balanced article; just a WP:PROSELINE collection of newspaper headlines. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:26, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
  • That is the typical format of a Wikipedia:Timeline. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 10:31, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

"Smuggled" does not have to mean "illegal", just "illicit". ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 10:30, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Next-but-one DYK

In the fourth hook, "The American Pigeon Museum & Library", The being uppercase appears in only one of the refs, most don't include the word at all let alone capitalise it. Primergrey (talk) 08:40, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

@TCMemoire: pinging. BorgQueen (talk) 08:44, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

This was something I struggled to figure out. But per the website's copyright notice and their official Facebook page, "The" is included in the official name, although the branding omits it. – TCMemoire 08:51, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Per MOS:THEINST, "the word the at the start of a name is uncapitalized in running text, regardless of the institution's own usage". TSventon (talk) 09:47, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Errors in the summary of the featured list

Friday's FL

(August 16)

Monday's FL

(August 19)

Errors in the summary of the featured picture

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General discussion

nothing on the 2012 Quebec election and the shooting at the PQ victory rally?

I am very shocked and surprised that either has not made the top news on Wikipedia as both are big current events in Canada, and should been given more reconision than what they have by wikipedia and world news. So far only seen it covered by BBC News. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.180.155.198 (talk) 05:53, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

On the BBC, this isn't even the top Canada story. (That'd be the discovery of floating trunk containing a human torso.) The shooting only occurs as a brief mention in the story about the Quebec election. But in any case, if you want to nominate events for In The News, the page you want is thataway. For the record, we don't normally report on regional/territorial elections. AlexTiefling (talk) 11:01, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

For the record, the main story was not about the regional election. Unlike what sounds like a fair bit of the rest of the world, political shootings were unheard of in Canada -- until now. But I take your point about the nominating page. - Tenebris 13:25, 11 September 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.254.156.104 (talk)

Paralympics summary

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I'm sure this has been addressed before, but i don't know where to search for the discussion... can you tell me why there was an "Olympic summary" link in the news box but there isn't for the paralympics? Thank you.

Walkabout86 (talk) 17:34, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

The Paralympics receive much less attention. See Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates/August 2012#Summer Paralympics sticky. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:46, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

great event at its best — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.90.141.116 (talk) 05:07, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Apparently, the US channel gave the entire Paralympics 4 hours of highlights and 0 hours of live coverage. While I and maybe you may find that shocking, it seems that the love affair us Brits, for example, had with the Paralympics may not have been shared globally. WP:WORLDVIEW --Dweller (talk) 10:53, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

In the UK it's been been on multiple TV channels all day in the US almost nothing. But what about other countries? Regards, Sun Creator^(talk) 11:04, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Plenty on TV coverage in Australia, live and otherwise, several hours every day. As someone close to disabled sport for many years, it's apparent that the US is not as well organised on this front as it could be. The US finished sixth on the medal table, behind China, Russia, GB, Ukraine and Australia. So, no the US apparently isn't very interested, but other countries are. We must not let the US lack of interest influence this global encyclopaedia. HiLo48 (talk) 11:17, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

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Like I said...

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The US would get mentioned today, and yet you ignored both the London and Indian massacres. I bet you're still gonna come back with something like "but we're not US Centric". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.20.36.39 (talk) 05:45, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Right, because idly complaining about things has changed injustice exactly zero times in history. So keep up the good work! Correcting the bias that does exist is not done this way. But, as long as you are interested in not fixing the bias problems at Wikipedia, you go right on complaining about it and doing nothing to fix it! --Jayron32 06:34, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

It does seem similar to US coverage of Olympics opening ceremony, where NBC cut to an interview with Phelps during a terrorism memorial segment... and then a commentator complained about the lack of any memorial during the ceremony and called for a minutes silence (which cut to commercial)83.70.170.48 (talk) 08:59, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Ignoring all the nationalism and what-not, I'm curious if there has been a 11th of September front page that hasn't referenced the events in 2001? It is sort of hard to find out, I know it wasn't on ITN for a few years but that was because it was in either the Featured Article or Picture.--23230 ^talk 09:21, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Not on OTD last year. –HTD 09:35, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, I meant OTD rather than ITN, obviously. From what I've found I think the answer is no, given it was FA in 2011, FP in 2010, FP in 2009, FA, and FP in 2008 and I think on OTD all the previous years. So a) no there has never been a year that hasn't referenced it but b) this year is actually the least coverage it's got for the past 5 years. Perhaps working up to nothing next year...--23230 ^talk 09:46, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Assuming it wasn't a featured article on its 10th anniversary, I retract earlier agreement. Not being featured OTD 2011 and not being featured article is pretty anti-biased.83.70.170.48 (talk) 09:40, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

But it was FA in 2011...--23230 ^talk 09:46, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

It's not anybody's fault there are quality 9/11 content out there; we're not going to penalize readers by giving them crappy non-9/11 stuff. The only way non-WP:FC gets in is via DYK and OTD. The only way to get non-US items off the list is to find a historical article and improve it until it is suitable for OTD, which can be quite easy. They've already worked around this on the Kennedy assassination anniversary. –HTD 09:58, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

This isn't about not having 9/11, it's about also having 7/7 and similar notable terrorist events as OTD/ITN entrants. 83.70.170.48 (talk) 10:26, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

AFAIK, 7/7 has been in ITN when it happened. As for OTD, maybe it was on a crappy state last July 7. –HTD 11:08, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Tinfoil hat conspiracy theories. There's no bias here. If something isn't nominated for the front page then it doesn't go up, simple as that. If 9/11 got a mention because it gets more attention from editors here then that's called systemic bias and is no ones fault. It happens all the time. The OP, if it's the same one, made this argument on 7/7 yet didn't take the time or energy to try and understand why there was no mention of this particular anniversary, which was kindly explained to him/her by me and others. There's nothing wrong with mentioning such events on the front page, and that's never been claimed. --Τασουλα (talk) 10:37, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

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Overlinking in TFA

Can someone fix the overlinking in the blurb for todays TFA? It's something of a sea of blue links and yet the ones for North America and teeth are superfluous - is there likely to be anyone who doesn't know what either of those terms mean? Also there is a link to the abbreviation for million years ago even though it isn't used. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Richerman (talk • contribs) 18:15, 2012 September 11 (UTC)

To suggest fixes in the blurb, please make use of WP:ERRORS. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 23:54, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

...where our crack team of admins will sort out the problem with the maximum of efficiency and minimum of drama [1]. —WFC— _{FL wishlist} 07:55, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

By now this is yesterday's TFA. (I would really have been surprised if today's suffered from overlinking, with the author watching - whereas yesterdays's author left years ago.) You can look at the blurbs for TFAs to come if you click on "archive" under the current TFA - to fix things BEFORE they reach the Main page, - do it yourself, for maximum of efficiency and minimum of drama ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:23, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Equal opportunities...

Please do feature less British and American obscurities, and please do feature more worldwide-related articles. Reading your frontpage everyday, I witness an excessive bias upon British countryside locales and American Midwest landmarks (churches, parishes, villages, bridges, wooden areas, some local celebrities). While that might be of interest to some, they are hardly worth being featured more than once or twice per year, let alone twice weekly. Please raise your objectives a little higher and feature more world-oriented articles of real cultural interest, I'm sure there's tons of them ready in the wings. Max Ventura, Italy.

. .3 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.207.232.125 (talk) 07:34, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

I don't think people here would like more Japanese video games... –HTD 07:52, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Or video games from anywhere else.