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September 28

Sutro Baths

Where does the refimprove template go, at the top of an article or in the references section? It's the article refimprove template, not the section refimprove one. I saw it at the bottom of the references section at Sutro Baths a few days ago and moved it to the top of the article because that's where I've always seen it placed. Another editor quickly moved it back to the bottom. I looked at the edit history of the article and saw that the template was originally put in the article, at the top, in March 2014. In March 2015, the same editor who reverted me a few days ago moved it back to the references section. Where does the template belong? If it belongs at the bottom, that's fine. But if it goes the top, can someone put it there because I already tried a few times. Thanks. Czoal (talk) 05:53, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

• @Czoal: Cleanup notices that apply to the entire article should go at the top. You could go through the tens of thousands of articles that have that template and they are at the top of the article. Putting it at the bottom serves no purpose. Cleanup templates are supposed to notify readers and editors of what still has to be done to the article. Putting it all the way at the bottom, decreasing its visibility, defeats that purpose. --Stabila711 (talk) 06:12, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
• However, I recommend discussing this on the article's talk page since the other editor has initiated a discussion regarding the placement of the tag and continuing to revert will put you in trouble with 3RR. --Stabila711 (talk) 06:22, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
• There is now a discussion of this at Talk:Sutro Baths#Template placement, and a more general RfC at Template talk:Refimprove#RfC: Location of Tag. I urger all interested editors to express their views. @Czoal and Stabila711: DES ^(talk) 08:10, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Stabila71 and DES, thank you so much for your excellent responses and guidance. I posted my thoughts in the dicussions at those two places. Czoal (talk) 15:47, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

How to edit a page for RMOS Consultancy ?

Please help me editing a page for RMOS Consultancy ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rajnitsharma (talk • contribs) 05:59, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

• @Rajnitsharma: So I saw that you created an article with nothing but a redirect. What exactly are you trying to do? Are you trying to create an article about RMOS Consultancy? If so does it meet the notability standards for companies? Does it have reliable sources that are independent from the company? There are certain qualities that every article must have in order to be appropriate for inclusion in Wikipedia. You can see the general guidelines here. Please clarify exactly what you are trying to do so we can help you further. --Stabila711 (talk) 06:18, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Question about regex

So this wikipage keeps creating false positives in the copyvio bot reports. There is User:CorenSearchBot/exclude a page that lists all the webpages that the copyvio bot should ignore. I would like to exclude list that specific webpage but only that one; would sss\.wiki/magcon-tour/ be the right regex to do it?Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 08:08, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Looks correct based on the other examples, yes. RegistryKey^(RegEdit) 03:52, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Character images not allowed for actor infoboxes

I'm trying to find a policy or guideline that I've seen before but can't locate at the moment. It basically said that images of actors playing a specific character were not to be used in the infoboxes in the article for the actor. The rationale being that the image was of a character being played by an actor. Not an image of the actor playing a character.

Can someone help me locate this? Thanks, 198.169.189.230 (talk) 13:06, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

It is general copyright policies WP:FAIR and WP:NFCCP. use of a copyright photo of an actor to represent the actor fails WP:NFCCP#1. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 13:33, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

If the particular role is discussed in some detail in the article, then an image of the actor in role "might" qualify, for an article, but I would think would not be preferred for the infobox, at least not if an image of the actor out-of-role was available and free to use. Or if the image is out of copyright for any of several possible reasons. Or if someone (presumably not official) took a photo of a stage play and released it under a free license. All of these are rare exceptions. DES ^(talk) 15:36, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error ref no input

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Shishu Bankar (talk • contribs) 14:31, 28 September 2015‎ (UTC)

Hello, Shishu Bankar. Since you haven't told us which page the cite error occurred on, and you haven't edited any other pages than this, we cannot help you. Please tell us which page the problem is on. --ColinFine (talk) 16:18, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Redirects

I'd like to create a new page, but the subject matter is mentioned (briefly- about a paragraph) in another page. So when you search for it, it redirects to an existing page. I want the existing page to have their content, but I'd also like a new page with more in-depth information. How is this possible? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leigh Mce (talk • contribs) 14:50, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

A redirect can be replaced with actual content easily enough. If you follow the redirect to the article, you'll see a "redirected from" at the top of the page - if you click on that you'll go back to the redirect which can then be edited as any other page. If you do create a more complete article about a subject, a "see main article" link back from the article containing the brief description may be useful at that point. OTOH, I strongly suggest creating the article in your sandbox or draft space first, and getting some people to look at it before moving it into the main space (at that point if it's being moved over an existing redirect, you'll need an admin's help to delete the redirect first so you don't lose the edit history of the draft article). You *can* create articles in the main space, but stuff that's half baked can often get deleted quickly; stuff in your user space is much easier to work with . See Wikipedia:Your first article for much useful advice. Rwessel (talk) 15:03, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

@Leigh Mce: I undid your edit where you blanked the redirect. Feel free to convert it into an article, but please don't leave the page blank. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 16:39, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Will This New Article Be Allowed?

I want to write a new biographical article on an entrepreneur and businessman I know (at this point, I don't want to mention his name). As far as I can tell, there is no published material that does this. Some of the info I would include does exist (in books, articles, etc), but much of what I would write does not.

Given this, would such an article be accepted on Wikipedia?

Marc Berkowe — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mberkowe (talk • contribs) 15:06, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

@Mberkowe: Simply put, probably not. First of all, we do not advise people with conflicts of interest to create such articles directly. Secondly, we need reliable sources not only to prove the accuracy of the content but also to show that the subject is actually notable. In this case, you should consider whether the businessman meets the notability guidelines for people. It would also be useful to consider WP:My first article. The Average Wikipedian (talk) 15:18, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

@Mberkowe: Probably not. All information in Wikipedia articles must be able to be verified using information in published sources that meet Wikipedia's definitions of reliable sources. You are strongly encouraged to cite your sources using inline citation. Moreover, the subjects of Wikipedia articles must meeet Wikipedia's definition of notability, which basically boils down to a requirement that there must be multiple, non-trivial discussions of the topic in reliable secondary sources which are published independently of the subject. Since you are wanting to write about an entrepreneur and businessman, you should also check out the special notability requirements for subjects of biographies. Also, since this is a person you know, you may want to read up on our conflict of interest policy. Lastly, assuming the person is still alive, the rules on biographies of living persons would also apply, meaning the article would be held to a higher standard of verifiability.

TLDR: if there is no published material that discusses this person it is not appropriate to write an article about him/her. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 15:19, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Internal link without underline

In many cases, such as in Chinese numerals, the underscore under links is misleading. Is there a way to link without the underlines? — Sebastian 18:01, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

I completely agree with you, the underline can turn it into a complete different character.Naraht (talk) 18:15, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

I'm not logged in right now and there are no underlines. And from my memory of the preferences pane from when I am logged in, I think there's a setting to turn it off. 198.169.189.230 (talk) 19:02, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering has an "Underline links" box with options "Never", "Always", "Skin or browser default". It starts at the last setting. I don't know different browser defaults but in Firefox I only get underlined links with Cologneblue, and it disappears as expected if I select Never. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:37, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

I can see where this makes it better, but I agree that something to change the *actual* link would be best.Naraht (talk) 20:11, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

I was playing with this, and thought applying an appropriate style might work. For example, [[C (programming language)|<span style="color:green">C (programming language)</span>]] renders the link green: C (programming language). But style="text-decoration:none" doesn't appear to do the trick. Rwessel (talk) 21:04, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

I don't see links underlined except when I'm actually hovering over them (in Firefox). Perhaps this is your browser doing it? --ColinFine (talk) 21:57, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

That article ( Chinese numerals) has a lot of interwiki links to Wiktionary rather than internal Wikipedia. Is that the reason for the differences in display? -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 22:38, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Well, you can set your preferences so that underlining isn't done (or that it depends on your skin) as described above. The question is how the *article* can be changed so that these links to wikipedia don't have the underline. The best way that I can describe the situation in reverse is to imagine a language printed vertically and had the underline for links on the right. If that language wikipedia had an article on the latin alphabet, you wouldn't be able to see the difference between an a and an o in some fonts due to it looking like o| (sort of).Naraht (talk) 15:16, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Moving a picture to Commons

The article Joulupöytä has a nice picture of a Finnish joulupöytä that I have taken myself. In contrast, the Finnish article fi:Suomalainen jouluateria only has a picture of a Danish Christmas meal, despite the article's name meaning "Finnish Christmas meal". I'd like to add my picture to the Finnish article, but the problem is, it's uploaded to the English Wikipedia directly, not to Commons, so I can't use it on the Finnish Wikipedia. How do I go about moving it to Commons? JIP | Talk 19:29, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

• @JIP: According to this page, you can upload the file to commons then mark the file here for speedy deletion under F8. --Stabila711 (talk) 19:34, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
  • Thanks! I've uploaded the picture to Commons, marked the original for speedy deletion, and speedy deleted it myself with my AdministrativePower^TM. JIP | Talk 19:48, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
    • Do you have to go into a telephone booth to activate that? -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 22:36, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Website address

Sir I want to Add website address of the my village on the wikipedia of our village how i can add website there — Preceding unsigned comment added by Guddukumarjha (talk • contribs) 20:03, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

• @Guddukumarjha: Alright, which article are you talking about? The infobox for settlements has a parameter where you can put the official website in. --Stabila711 (talk) 20:08, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

@Guddukumarjha: see the guidelines for external links . in general we would include the official website of the city run by the city but not other websites about the city run by other entities. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 21:19, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

My watchlist has changed,

and I don't know if it's something I did or not. I've always used mouseover on diffs to see what's changed. Doesn't work anymore. Also other links, including usernames & their talk (in signatures) no longer show content by mouseover. Can I get that feature back?

(Otherwise there are triangles where there before were only dots (black or green) on my watchlist, and the time is in a different font. I may get used to these other things, or not. It's only the ability to see the content of a link without the bother of clicking on it, that I'm asking about just now.)

Thank you. --Hordaland (talk) 22:02, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

You import User:Lupin/popups.js in User:Hordaland/vector.js and User:Hordaland/monobook.js. Try to remove it there and enable "Navigation popups" at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets. If it still doesn't work then what is your skin and browser? PrimeHunter (talk) 23:31, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

OracleI

. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.45.108.35 (talk) 23:48, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Can you clarify what you are asking? OracleI is not an existing article on Wikipedia. Tiggerjay (talk) 05:10, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

September 29

Empty reason for deletion

Some pages, such as User:Tokyogirl79/book synopsis and Draft:Queensland State Velodrome, have a deletion log entry without any reason for deletion. How can one store a list of such pages? GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 04:30, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Are you looking for a list of pages which were deleted without a specific reason provided? Tiggerjay (talk) 05:09, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

In case you're not clear, it's always possible to delete a page with no rationale whatsoever. Never a good idea, but it's the default. If you're an administrator, when you click the "delete" button, you're presented with something like File:Delete-NAS.PNG, although the dropdown menu displays "Other reason" instead of a reason. "Other reason" always gets hidden when you click "Delete page"; if you click it without changing anything, the page gets deleted without a rationale, so you have to pick an option from the dropdown (e.g. G12 speedy, as in the image) and/or type something in the blank. For future reference, if you discover such a page, you can always ask the deleting admin, or if that's not practical (e.g. the admin's no longer active), just make a request at another administrator's talk page, or go to WP:REFUND and say something like "this page got deleted with no rationale, so please undelete this page and then re-delete it with a rationale". Nyttend (talk) 19:27, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Bulk download of images from a list

Hi.

Sorry, new to this and not sure where else to ask. I have searched the FAQ, archive, general internet and Mediawiki extentsion but cannot find a clear and simple solution.

I would like to download a list of images directly.

To explain why, I am trying to set up a working copy of Mediawiki/Wikipedia in order to learn how it works and how to administrate it. For example, I have most elements working, including various templates and portals, but am missing all the graphic icons for them.

Special pages offer a list of missing images (Special:WantedFiles).

I was wonder how it would be possible just to take the list generated, and use it to download them directly and automatically. Ditto for a few categories of topics (for dummy content). I appreciate that some graphics and images might be here, and some over at Wikipedia. I don't want to make a book or a PDF, just need the raw data.

I have read some really complex articles about downloading complete dumps from mirrors, setting up environments and and using command lines to extract images etc but that seem like overkill for what I'm after.

Is there an easy way to do it (and bulk uploading).

Thanks. --Wordfunk (talk) 07:40, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Does Wikipedia:Database download help? Rwessel (talk) 07:58, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, but I am afraid not. It's out of date too, there is no "upload.wikimedia.org". Strange there's a function to make a book but not one to download a category or topic's worth of images.

Downloading the entire database and then digging out just the one's you need is impossible. It's a TB of data they say.

The problem is, each file is held on a "File:example.jpg" page, but the actual jpeg is then buried in some random folder somewhere, e.g. "/wikipedia/commons/5/57/example.jpg".

What about all the graphics used in the templates etc, are they available as a single "skin" download?

Appreciated. --Wordfunk (talk) 17:17, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Ah, OK, it seems it's a known issue, see: Add image data option to Special:Export and has been hanging around since 2006 or 2008.

Betacommand added a comment.Via Conduit · Mar 21 2014, 4:50 PM

"This has the potential to make moving data from project to project, and even having a standard import/export with default data much easier. Right now setting up and or importing templates/articles and similar are very time consuming as you have to track down every image that is being used and manually move that to the new project. This would also make moving data to and from commons much easier and enable maintaining attribution without having to jump through hoops".

That's exactly what I am talking about, so it seems the answer currently is no. You've got to sit and move 100s, if not 1,000s of them, individually by hand. --Wordfunk (talk) 20:40, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to our world...--ukexpat (talk) 13:33, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

My first article

Mawra Hocane has been tagged as speedy deletion. It was previously deleted, so I have improved the references.--NewMutants (talk) 11:03, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Just because someone’s chosen occupation means that they appear in some films as an actor or actress does not make them notable in an encyclopedic sense. The reference provided all appear to be advertorials rather than reliable sources. So I think this article should go to AfD again. Promotional material like this is more suited to be posted somewhere else but not here.--Aspro (talk) 13:16, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Uploading a picture

Dear helpers,

I have created a Wikipedia article, and it is coming along pretty well, but it lacks some pictures. So I decided to upload some pictures. The pictures are uploaded in Wikimedia Commons and can be found in Wikimedia commons already. When I use the link that is given to me in the Wikimedia Commons upon completing the upload process in my article the little message box simply stays there and does nothing. It doesnt give me any reason to see what is wrong. Is it my article, my picture, or my computer?

Kind regards Maddmaxie (talk) 13:28, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Maddmaxie, what page are you referring to? I've looked at your recent edits and I can't see any obvious problem. The format is [[File:filename.jpg|thumb|caption]] Jimfbleak - talk to me? 13:50, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

(ec) Hello @Maddmaxie:, if you are referring to File:Gezicht op het Badhotel te Domburg.jpg, this file is searchable and accessible in Wikipedia (at least for me). Or did you mean a different file? Please provide a link to the problem for such questions, it's easier to help then. As a general note, newly uploaded Commons images may sometimes need a bit of time (a few hours, 1-2 days), until they are searchable in Wikipedia (depending on the servers' mood, I suppose). But the linked file is OK and can also be added to articles with the above File tag (just tested). GermanJoe (talk) 13:52, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

2 more points:- 1) file names are case sensitive, so must be copied exactly 2) when a file is first added to an article it can take several seconds for the image to appear, so people preview the page and assume they have got it wrong, as it is not immediately visible - it is worth hanging on for 15-20 seconds before assuming there is a mistake. - Arjayay (talk) 14:00, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Thank you guys. I just needed to give it some time, it indeed worked. Thank you for the quick help.--Maddmaxie (talk) 14:23, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error references missing key

re Bill Alexander theatre director

I've just added citations against 'recent work' but they seem to have disappeared??? eek also, I don't know how to cite the fact that Bill and Juliet have four grandchildren? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moobel (talk • contribs) 14:27, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Moobel. I assume you are talking about the article Bill Alexander (director). It saves volunteers responding time if you provide a link to any article you are asking for help with.

You had (or some earlier editor had) included a list-defined reference to Trowbridge, Simon (2010). The Company : a biographical dictionary of the Royal Shakespeare Company, but had not actually cited that source by including the proper ref tag <ref name="Trowbridge" />. I have added it in what seems to be the proper place. Note that if this source can also support othre statements in the article, this same tag can be added in other places to indicate this.

If a source states that they have four grandchildren, this is cited just as any other supporting source would be. However, is this really significant encyclopedic information about this subject?

Please note for the future that section headers use sentence case: "Later work", not "Later Work".

I hope all this helps.Please check to see that no errors have been introduced by later fixes. DES ^(talk) 15:36, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

LIST OF NRI IN DUBAI

R/Sir How can I get list of INDIAN NRI at DUBAI. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.212.186.214 (talk) 15:00, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Please clarify. What or who are NRI???? And what does this have to do with editing Wikipedia? --Orange Mike | Talk 15:05, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

NRI is Non-resident Indians. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 15:15, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Nick Gromicko's Wiki page

Nick Gromicko

We have tried several times to upload a list of articles in which Nick Gromicko or his company InterNACHI have been referenced or quoted, and every time we do, that list is deleted by the following day. We're not sure why, or how to proceed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.164.36.69 (talk) 16:06, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

For starters, you should not be thinking about it as "Nick Gromicko's Wiki page" - it is "the Wikipedia encyclopedia article about Nick Gromicko".

Secondly, who is "we"? If "we" have a connection to Nick Gromicko, "we" should not be editing the article directly. Instead, make suggestions on the article talk page. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 16:10, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

If you do make a suggestion on the article talk page, please use {{Request edit}} to alert other editors that changes have been requested.~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 16:24, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

@Maddiefoster: I noticed that most of the list that was included just provides links to where Mr. Gromicko was quoted. At Wikipedia, that does not confer notability on a person. Articles need to be about the subject, i.e. Nick Gromicko. If nobody is writing about him, then we don't consider him notable. Dismas|^(talk) 17:07, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Article has been speedily deleted per Wikipedia:CSD#A7.--ukexpat (talk) 13:56, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

Cite Error

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.154.65.181 (talk) 18:43, September 29, 2015 (UTC)

Article: Royal Northern College of Music

• You added <ref></ref> tags without adding an actual reference. Please see referencing for beginners for information on how to cite. --Stabila711 (talk) 19:08, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

I do not know what to do with this user.

I know not if this is the better site to ask this, but I don´t know where ask. Long ago, in the Template:Ethnicity in Louisiana, I included a parenthesis next to the word " Creoles" to placing in it to "Cajuns" and "Isleños in Louisiana," because both peoples are Louisiana Creole people. However, a anonymous user is removing this parenthesis. I put the parenthesis several times and the user removed it in all of them, without even indicate why eliminated the parenthesis in the summary editing. Even I indicated, in the talk page of the user, that he should not remove the brackets and that if he did that he should indicate why eliminated. The user not only did not answer, but he returned to remove the parenthesis that I put. I do not know what I can do with this person. I do not know if I should indicate this to an administrator to he blocked him, or do other thing, and I need to know, because it starts to be very annoying.--Isinbill (talk) 19:53, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

You can wait some time and see if the user reacts to the talk page message that you posted on the IP's talk page. If not and they revert again, you can go to WP:RFPP and request semi-protection. Ruslik_Zero 20:11, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

September 30

Jim Carrey

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Should content about the death of an ex-girlfriend/boyfriend, or even current girlfriend/boyfriend, be included in a celebrity's article? If so, how much? Content about the suicide of Jim Carrey's girlfriend was just added to his article, in the personal life section. Numerous mainstream media such as NBC News and FOX News are reporting that she is an ex-girlfriend, not current.[1][2] Some others are claiming that they recently got back together or possibly got back together, including TMZ, where the story apparently originated. The only source currently included in the Carrey article is Gawker. So, putting aside the sources, should that content be in the article? I'm not sure if it matters, but they only dated in 2012 according to sources, and again this year if they actually started dating again. From reading many celebrity bios on here over the years, my understanding has been that only "significant" relationships - like marriages and long-term relationships - should be mentioned in an article, and that brief or on/off relationships should not. I have never edited the article and will not touch this content. I'll leave that to editors who are much more familiar with the rules of biographies. Czoal (talk) 20:02, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

While I was waiting for a reply, I found the BLP noticeboard and asked for help there instead. Perhaps that's a more appropriate place for my inquiry anyway. Czoal (talk) 23:11, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

DMX Max air transfer system reebok, motion analysis, engineering

I am asking for more information about the "DMX Max air transfer system" used by reebok for running shoes. Not being able to find the correct category in the request page, I have resorted to this. A google search says this technology is "motion analysis" and is an engineering science. Reebok also used a technology called "energaire" for a shoe, also Spalding used "energaire" technology for it's Denise Austin running shoe. Having owned a pair of the Spalding Energaires', I know that the shoe sole on the ball of the foot, has an air cushion, a bubble if you will. Maybe other people are interested in the technology of creating the sole of a running shoe using various engineering techniques that incorporate using this air-pocket system. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.59.100.183 (talk) 00:27, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6.8 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 00:57, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

Fraud

Please help me with... I am the owner of a TV station in the US Virgin Island-WSVI. I used to think this was a reliable service and I have been a contributor over the years. I have gotten a real wake up call. Someone -It seems by the name 'I Dream of Horse' has been enetering lies about who owns my business and the lies have been attributed to JVC Broadcasting Company, an entity I know know nothing about.

For the record-using your own info on the WSVI wikipedia page here is the owner of WSVI and WZVI TV http://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/pubacc/prod/sta_det.pl?Facility_id=2370

And here are the stations owned by JVC. Note there is no mention of a TV in the Virgin Islands as you report in Wikipedia. http://www.jvcbroadcasting.com/our-stations Even though I have made changes this person comes back and changes the changes.

What is going on with you people?

Telling me who is doing this so I can get my lawyer involved. Thank you

63.138.96.6 (talk) 02:20, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

David Lampel — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.138.96.6 (talk) 02:23, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

• First off, read no legal threats. It is highly recommended that you retract your threat immediately or you could be blocked per Wikipedia's policy. Second, I dream of horses reverted an unexplained blanking of a page which looked like vandalism. That is standard practice. That is why we have edit summaries. This is not "fraud" and this is no place for lawyers. Unexplained blanking of pages will be reverted. I see you have included an edit summary the next time you removed the section. That should suffice. --Stabila711 (talk) 02:30, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

• Further, it's not "your page" as you've indicated in your talk page comments. Just because you happen to own the TV station doesn't mean you get any special rights or privileges over other users. On the contrary, you have a conflict of interest and should not be editing the article directly. JIP | Talk 08:02, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

• I have removed the unsourced claim that JVC owns WSVI. I could find no connection between the two with Google. The page histories show the claim was added a week ago by 2601:19B:8201:2AD0:AE22:BFF:FEDA:1B7, an unregistered user with no other edits. Other involved users may just have reacted to inappropriate page blanking or what looked like inappropriate section blanking. Such edits are usually vandalism and editors don't have time to investigate everything. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:45, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

Page on Wikipedia

Sir/Madam,

I'm a prudent banker in India, working as Asst Vice President with Axis Bank wish to have a page on Wikipedia. Is it possible.

Pls advise

Jayant Edake — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.39.13.232 (talk) 04:32, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

• Well that depends on if you meet our notability standards for inclusion. Also please see the general guidelines for all articles. Wikipedia articles must have reliable sources that are independent from the article's topic. Just because it exists does not mean it is fit for inclusion on Wikipedia. If you believe that you meet these requirements. I recommend reading your first article. In addition, I recommend going through the articles for creation process as you have a conflict of interest. This will let you create the page that will be reviewed by another editor to make sure it meets the standards set by the Wikipedia community. --Stabila711 (talk) 04:36, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
  • Since it seems like Axis Bank already exists (mea culpa for not checking), I changed the notability link to persons and struck some words since it seems more accurate to this question (thanks CiaPan and RegistryKey). The rest of my comment still stands --Stabila711 (talk) 17:53, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
• If I understand the question correctly, you want to have your biography page. If so, please be aware there are special restrictions on writing biographies of living people (→ Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons) and even more on writing about ourselves (→ Wikipedia:Autobiography). --CiaPan (talk) 07:08, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
• Page already exists, see Axis Bank. RegistryKey^(RegEdit) 08:16, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

Corrections to a Wikipedia page

I am a paid consultant working for MSCI, Inc.

They have asked me to make changes to the Wikipedia page about the company, because the current information is outdated.

Am I allowed to do that, if I disclose my relationship with the company?

Thanks.

Frank Beck — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frank Beck (talk • contribs) 11:58, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

Greetings. Putting an Wikipedia:Edit request on the talk page is probably better, along with a reliable source for the change proposed.Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 12:08, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

Frank Beck, Jo-Jo Eumerus' suggestion is a good one. I have dropped a welcome message on our talk page with some general information links for you.
• I believe that if you edit any page on a paid basis you must reveal that, or you may be wp:blocked. Even then the edit must be NPOV, encyclopaedic, reliably, and if possible independently, sourced, and not promotional etc.
• Not being an expert on WP policy in this area, please see the Wikimedia web page "FAQ on paid contributions without disclosure", which I think covers your query. 220 of ^Borg 12:28, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

Note, however this only applies to pages whose changes that you are doing as a paid employee/consultant. Someone editing the organization that they were a volunteer for would fall under to the Conflict of Interest rules which are less strict. And no problem editing pages for German singers if you aren't formally attached to them. :)Naraht (talk) 18:50, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

Similar name different subject

I have a question on how to reference a person or create a link to a person on a page. When i created a link on the page, I found that a page was made but the page reference goes a different person with the same name. Apparently the person I want to reference does not exist. How does one create a reference to a different person with the same name on a page... how would Wikipedia know which page I mean? (I guess I need to build the page about the new person)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.252.24.66 (talk) 14:14, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

Without actual names it's hard to tell, but apparently nobody has (as yet) found the other person of the same name, the one you were referring to, notable enough to write about. When we have two or more persons with the same name, we usually disambiguate them by clarifying who we mean with a parenthetical note and/or middle initials: we have articles on Kevin H. Smith, Kevin Smith (editor), and Kevin Smith (Australian actor), for example, and a page Kevin Smith (disambiguation) that lists all our Kevin Smith articles. --Orange Mike | Talk 14:57, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

If I understand you correctly, you are trying to add a red link, or a link to an article that hasn't been created yet, but there's already an article about a different person at that location. Let's say the person you want to write about is named John Smith. As you can see, we have lots of articles on people named John Smith. Maybe your John Smith is a musician, so you might put John Smith (musician), but there's already an article there, so you might put your redlink at John Smith (violinist). You would then disguise this in the article using a piped link, so typing [[John Smith (violinist)|John Smith]] gives you John Smith. When you made the article for John Smith (violinist), at the top you could use a hatnote to point back to the other John Smith. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 15:00, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

208.252.24.66 Dates are also used to disambiguate people. Occasionally there is more than one, say, John Smith (footballer) possibly with unknown middle names, but born in (or died) in different years. Example John Smith (Medal of Honor) there are three, but different birth-dates. 220 of ^Borg 15:15, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

Perfect... i understand... thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.252.24.66 (talk) 15:29, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

"Appears to be written as an advertisement" flag should be removed

Hello! I have been working to remove issued that caused the page for Texas Tech University Health Sciences Center page to receive the “article appears to be written as an advertisement” flag. I believe I have dramatically reduced if not eliminated the bias and added links and citations. I’m curious if an editor would please re-review it and perhaps remove the tag. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jessicam.bagwell (talk • contribs) 15:33, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

The tag seems appropriate. Mlpearc (open channel) 15:38, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

@Jessicam.bagwell: Your only contribution was posting the question here. Assuming that you are the IP which did a lot of editing on the article, I don't think a lot of issues with tone were fixed. The Average Wikipedian (talk) 15:44, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

It still sounds far too promotional, even after the edits last month (from whom I believe is a student at Texas Tech University). This places the editor(s) in a poor COI position -which should be disclosed before they start to edit. Yet, we have a Wikipedia guide: Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide to help such editors that wish to help improve Wikipedia articles. Hope you find this helpful and happy editing. It appears to read promotional (I think, I don't know about other editors here) as it focusses too much on the benefits they provide, not simply the Universities features. A medial trained person would focus on the latter, whilst a sale and marketing person - the former.--Aspro (talk) 12:23, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

Help me I don't know what a sock user is

help me I don't know what a sock user is and apparently I am one? I just started here and almost immediately had my wikipedia commons user page deleted and I made a good friend Cordless Larry but now I don't understand what is happening to my account. I promise I'm not an idiot, and cordless larry might vouch for me but he might also think I'm an idiot, and to be fair I might be biased but I was notified on my email and this is what I just copied off of a page that mentioned me: "It makes no sense to register so all the deranged monkeys can throw shit at another foolish editor who joined the community of nutters like User:Lightbreather who has long used her backup sock User:Darknipples (obvious as hell by all the gun ban propaganda she promotes and coming on the scene first when LB thought she could be banned and was temporarily and now has a new backup sock User:Asdiprizio which will in time edit gun articles but LB knows her recent permanent ban is to fresh to start promoting her anti-gun agenda through another sock. PS Do not edit others talk page duechebag. Addendum: Sorry to the lunatics who edit here and who are able to support themselves. " please help please I am just trying to get an article written about a pioneer writer in animation named Khaki Jones. Asdiprizio (talk) 16:13, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

@Cordless Larry: , Is this your friend or our "friend" from the Teahouse? -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 17:15, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

Hi TheRedPenOfDoom. Asdiprizio is an editor I helped out at the Teahouse. If you're referring to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Freshmangrandcaravan, then, no, I don't think there's any link. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:21, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

Defined here Wikipedia:Sock puppetry. RJFJR (talk) 17:29, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

@Asdiprizio: To answer your first question (What is a sock user?), a sockpuppet is when someone who already has an account creates another account and then uses both accounts in a deceptive or disruptive manner. Please read the page on sock puppetry. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 17:35, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

This is the comment in which Asdiprizio was accused of sockpuppetry. It was made by an IP editor who has since been blocked, so I have told Asdiprizio not to be too concerned. Cordless Larry (talk) 14:27, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

thank you Cordless, you're the best! Asdiprizio (talk) 14:35, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

Laser line level

Your information about a line laser a laser line level is inaccurate please do more research I am certain I have used one in the late 80s 2600:100C:B202:2CF8:18A1:A2FF:8293:82C5 (talk) 17:16, 30 September 2015 (UTC)John Box

That is not a question on how to use Wikipedia, which, as stated at the top, is what this page is for. If you think an article has an error you can edit it yourself, or ask someone to do so on the article's talk page, but you must be able to cite reliable sources to back up your change. "I am certain I have used one in the late 80s" is clearly not reliable, or verifiable
However, our article Laser line level has no mention of a date whatsoever, so what do you think is incorrect ? - Arjayay (talk) 17:27, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

Perhaps Laser level? (Often confused with laser line levels). Even so, that just mentions that a certain type was patented in the late 80s, but makes no statement on how commonly (or if) these were available. Rwessel (talk) 06:39, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

And it states "The concept of a laser level has been around since at least the early 1970s" so is not what the IP was objecting to either. - Arjayay (talk) 14:31, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

New York Times

Is there anyway I can read The new York Times for free — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:581:8401:6170:C5D3:6E8F:813F:289B (talk) 18:19, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

While this isn't about editing Wikipedia directly (although often NYT articles are used as sources here), http://www.nytimes.com does (when I last checked) allow a person to read 10 NYT articles a month for free. For more than that a paid subscription is required. DES ^(talk) 18:25, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

Also, if you're looking for older New York Times articles, portions of their archives are free. (I imagine stuff that's old enough to be public domain. I know stuff from 1905 is free but 1940 isn't.) ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 18:36, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

There are also 3 libraries in Pompano Beach, Florida - although I don't know whether they subscribe, nor whether they keep back copies. - Arjayay (talk) 18:46, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

If you disable javascript you can read everything for free. Ruslik_Zero 20:27, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

Article Warning

Hi, I'm following up on a page that had been flagged and I've done some substantial edits to it to make it more encyclopedic. Since the entry is on a living person, if this could be reviewed for possibly taking down the warning soon, that would be great. Simon Critchley

ThanksSarahVS (talk) 20:47, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

Incorrect link

I was browsing through HBO's "The Wire" and one of the actors that plays Dr. David Parenti has a link to a completely different actor. Apparently there are two Dan DeLucas that are actors. Anyway, they are two different people and it is obvious. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.73.138.134 (talk) 23:59, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

• Assuming you mean this article it has been fixed. Since there is no mention of Parenti on the main The Wire article I had to guess which article you meant. --Stabila711 (talk) 00:24, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

It was worse than that. Special:WhatLinksHere/Dan DeLuca had eight links from articles and files but seven of them were to the wrong actor. I have changed all seven to [[Dan DeLuca (actor, born 1970)|Dan DeLuca]] which renders as Dan DeLuca. The pages can be seen at Special:WhatLinksHere/Dan DeLuca (actor, born 1970). PrimeHunter (talk) 11:19, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

October 1

creating a new page

I'm wondering if I can create a new wiki page using/linking previous wiki pages and information? I would like to link up information relating to Iron Overload and Iron Deficiency As a page does not already exist: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AWhatLinksHere&target=Iron+Overload+vs+Iron+Deficiency&namespace= thank you for your time. Regards Kim. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.189.71.144 (talk) 00:23, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

Kim, I'm not sure exactly what you mean by "using/linking previous wiki pages and information". All wikipedia articles should be supported by citations to reliable sources. No Wikipedia article is ever considered a reliable source to be cited in another, as per WP:CIRCULAR and other polices and guidelines. Usually a new page should not cover the same topic that is covered in an existing page, but narrow topics can coexist with broader ones. Also, be careful to avoid original research and particularly synthesis that goes beyond available sources. DES ^(talk) 00:37, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

• Also, I am not quite sure why you would want to do that anyways. Overload and deficiency are opposites of each other. Overload is too much and deficiency is too little. I don't see why you would need a comparison page when the two are antonyms of each other. --Stabila711 (talk) 00:39, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
  • 1) you could try to make the case to merge the two articles into one (i dont see it, but it is out of the areas where i even pretend to have competency) 2) while you cannot use a Wikipedia article as the footnoted source for another article, you are free to use the references that support any wikipedia article to support claims in another article. (Wikipedia has an article about X that is supported by sources A, B, and C. In writing an article about X-PRIME, I can use sources A, B and C that have already been collated at X sources A, B, and C also talk about X-PRIME.) (note that if you take text wording as well as the references, you must appropriately attribute the original creation as per Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia.) -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 04:00, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

References

Pageview database needs some administration

Recently, editors have noticed some dates have not compiled for the pageview database at http://stats.grok.se/. We have been trying to get someone's attention at Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Missing_stats_dates. Now that User:Henrik has become inactive, there is no one to take ownership of such requests. We have been getting ad hoc requests handled at times, but right now we need someone who knows how to perform the machinations that update the database.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:07, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

Rob Pilatus

I have two questions regarding Rob Pilatus. (1) The article shows two different dates of birth (in the lead and the infobox) and neither is sourced. The date of death has multiple sources and says he died at 32. How should the conflicting dates of birth be handled? (2) Source number 12 is a German language source (and is a dead link). Can sources written in a language other than English be used on the English Wikipedia, particularly when there's no way to know what the source says to verify the content? Czoal (talk) 01:48, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

• 1) If the age of death is sourced you can use {{Birth date based on age at death}} to work backwards.
• 2) Yes, sources in another language are acceptable just like off-line sources are acceptable. If it is a dead link you can try https://archive.org to see if there is an archive for the page. --Stabila711 (talk) 02:03, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. Another editor must've seen this thread because they made some edits about the birth date. The edits appear to be different from what you're recommending, so I better not touch it. Czoal (talk) 02:54, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

@Czoal: The results for the reader are essentially the same. I just did it manually rather than letting the template do the work. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 03:51, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for taking care of it. Czoal (talk) 04:01, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

Moved a page, but the new page has the old page's talk page

Hi, I created Women in music and to do so, I had to move another article (Women in Music, an article about a newsletter) to the new title Women in Music (periodical). The new article is working fine except that when you go to the talk page on Women in music, it takes you to the talk page of Women in Music (periodical). I would appreciate advice on how to fix this issue, Thanks!OnBeyondZebrax • TALK 04:39, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

• @OnBeyondZebrax: Whenever you move an article it automatically creates a redirect for both the old article name and the old article talk page. I broke the redirect for Talk:Women in music so you should be good. --Stabila711 (talk) 04:43, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your help. I appreciate your assistance with fixing this!OnBeyondZebrax • TALK 04:45, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

@OnBeyondZebrax: The article relies on one major source and I doubt its neutrality as well as its need to exist. The Average Wikipedian (talk) 04:47, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

Why not? There are articles about Women in computing and Women in science. Perhaps it would be better off in list form like List of women in mathematics. The article is brand new. Just because it relies on one source does not mean it is unacceptable for inclusion. There are plenty of articles here that rely on one source. --Stabila711 (talk) 04:50, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

Duplicate text

Is it right to copy-paste a paragraph from one article to other article referring to tohe samew topic. The text in question is the following:

The proportion of Hungarians in the Carpathian Basin was at an almost constant 80% during the Middle Ages.[14][15][16][17][18] Non-Hungarians numbered hardly more than 20% to 25% of the total population.[14] The Hungarian population began to decrease only at the time of the Ottoman conquest,[14][15][18] reaching as low as around 39% by the end of the 18th century. The decline of the Hungarians was due to the constant wars, Ottoman raids, famines, and plagues during the 150 years of Ottoman rule.[14][15][18] The main zones of war were the territories inhabited by the Hungarians, so the death toll depleted them at a much higher rate than among other nationalities.[14][18] In the 18th century their proportion declined further because of the influx of new settlers from Europe, especially Slovaks, Serbs, Croats,[citation needed] and Germans.[14][15][18][19]

I don't think it is a good idea to put the same thing in two articles, but I'd like to have a confirmation that I am right. 86.123.40.170 (talk) 07:09, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

See Copying within Wikipedia. You can reuse the text under the CC-BY-SA terms which cover all Wikipedia content, but you need to attribute the original article, either in the edit summary or with the {{copied}} template. Yunshui ^雲_水 08:41, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

Hitting the random button and seeing if the articles that come up could be improved.

I have been hitting the random button and seeing if the articles that come up could be improved. Sometimes something like Devi Kanya Kumari comes up. For the life of me I cannot figure out what the article is talking about and I don't think the average reader will be able to get anything from it either. What do I do with such an article? I hate to give up and try another random page in the hope that it will be easier to fix.

To show what I am talking about, here are a couple of random quotes from the article:

"So for using similies, and satyres for a poem they personified many manifestations of the supreme almighty for better understanding."..

I suppose I could reword this so it looks like English and fix the spelling errors, but what does "personified many manifestations of the supreme almighty" mean?

Then there is this:

"The poor Devi waited for the Lord and finally she thought that she has been snubbed. With unbearable insult, pain, grief and anger she destroyed everything she saw. She threw away all the food and broke her bangles. When she finally gained her composure she chooses to be a Sanyasin forever and took penance. Ages later Bana, tried to lure and approach the goddess without realizing who she was. The infuriated Bhagavathy, who was the Bhadrakali herself, slaughtered Bana at once. Moments before his death Bana realized that the one before him is the Bhagavathy, the Almighty itself. He prayed her to absolve him of his sins. Bhagavathy maintained her divine presence in the place, in the Devi Kanyakumari Temple."

That sentence looks like a direct cut and paste from [3] so I went back and found the edit that added it.[4] That edit also contained

"For the purpose of rites and rituals in the temple the Bhagavathi is imagined as (Sankalpam) as Balambika, the kid goddess. The rites and rituals for the worship of Devi Katyayani, one of the Nava Durga is practiced here. She is considered as Bhadrakali Bhagavathy by devotees while worshipping her."

That sentence looks like a direct cut and paste from [5].

The problem is in determining whether those sources copied from Wikipedia. The dates on them suggest that Wikipedia was first, but the fact that both sources contain a lot more material in the same writing style that was never in Wikipedia suggests that we copied them. Or perhaps we both copied from some other sources I didn't find? --Dalek Supreme X (talk) 08:38, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

Outdated content: Stockholm International Peace Research Institute

Dear Editors:

I am an employee of the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute and, thus, for ethical reasons, do not want to edit SIPRI's page. However, I have twice submitted corrections on the 'talk' pages of both our institute and it's new Director, with no response from Wikipedia's editors. Could you kindly help make the appropriate changes (outlined below)? I would be very grateful.

The article on the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute lists Ian Anthony as the Interim Director (see article text below). However, Dan Smith (formerly head of International Alert and PRIO, respectively) was appointed Director by the Swedish government and took up his new role on 1 September 2015. Like SIPRI's article, Dan Smith's article has not yet been updated to reflect his new position. Please reference the articles below (in Swedish and English) which document the change in SIPRI's directorship. I am also happy to supply SIPRI's own press release on the subject, if it would help.

Thanks in advance!

Best regards,

Kate Sullivan

Current text in article on the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute: "Director The Director, who is appointed by the Swedish Government, has the main responsibility for SIPRI's work programme. Dr Bates Gill served as SIPRI Director from 2007–2012.[3] In September 2012 the Swedish Government appointed the German economist Tilman Brück as his successor.[4] Brück held the position of SIPRI Director from January 2013 to June 2014.[5] In June 2014 the SIPRI Governing Board appointed Dr Ian Anthony as Director for an interim period.[6]" Stockholm International Peace Research Institute

Current text in article on Dan Smith: "Dan Smith OBE (born 1951) is a British author, cartographer and peace researcher. He is the Secretary General of the independent peacebuilding organisation International Alert and Professor of Peace and Conflict Studies at the University of Manchester." Dan Smith (British author)

Articles citing Dan's move from International Alert to SIPRI: (International Alert)

(Mundus International)

(Swedish Government)

(Svenska Dagbladet, Swedish newspaper) Kate.A.Sullivan (talk) 11:48, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

References

@Kate.A.Sullivan: I have updated the article. Thank you for bringing the issue to our attention. Article talk pages are a good, but often slow, avenue for updating content since not all articles are watched by our diligent editors. As a major in international relations, SIPRI is a topic I am familiar with and knowledgeable about, so I will be watching this article in the future and keeping it up to date and up to standard. Finnusertop (talk | guestbook | contribs) 14:38, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

Article is not factually correct

Snakehead (fish)

This cites that the Snakehead can be found in "two ponds in Philadelphia". I am an avid snakehead fisherman in Philadelphia. They can be found in the Delaware River, Schuylkill River, at FDR Park (I'm guessing those are the two ponds you're talking about) and in literally 40 other bodies of water in Southeastern PA. They are also all over South Jersey.

You can barely cast a line without catching one if you know what you're doing. Might want to update that.

This is no longer a rare fish in our area. I've caught 284 in the past 4 months.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:4A:8302:9E9:492D:78FD:EAAC:29C1 (talk) 12:15, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

Do you have a published reliable source that can be referenced? - David Biddulph (talk) 12:26, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

Note: The article that is used as a reference for that sentence is from 2007. I expect things have changed, as you say, but we'll need a new reference to update that info. Dismas|^(talk) 12:29, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

Changing the title of a wikipedia entry

Hi, I was wondering if it would be possible to change the title of Croton Oil entry. There are several different types of croton oil that do not cause skin irritiation so this entry is misleading. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lhw1121 (talk • contribs) 14:07, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

Generally this would be done using the page move process. However, if the information about different types of croton oil can be verified in reliable sources, it would make more sense to add this information to the existing article, rather than change the title. Yunshui ^雲_水 14:09, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

I'd love to donate, BUT.....

I use Wikipedia all of the time. It is, without question, the greatest reference guide to be found on the Internet.

But, before I donate, I'd like to clear up two definitions, which are meaningful to me.

Southpaw: Since "Rocky", most people think that the term "Southpaw" originated in boxing. And, with the new boxing movie "Southpaw", even more people will be misinformed. Yes, the term Southpaw refers a Leftie, which I am. But it didn't originate in with boxing. It originated in baseball. Specifically, Major League Baseball.

MLB stadiums are built with Home Plate in the West and Center Field in the East. (The one exception is the new Comisky park, which had to be facing differently due to the space on which it was built).

The reason MLB stadiums are built this way is so batters don't have to look in to the sun, and the expensive seats are in the shade, for afternoon and early evening games.

When the pitcher is on the mound, his left hand is to the South.

We can thank Vin Scully for introducing that term, in reference to Sandy Koufax.

CC: CC does not stand for Carbon Copy. You did refer to it’s proper usage in your definition, but it shouldn’t even referenced by Carbon Copy.

The actual meaning of this acronym is CIRCULATED COPY. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.134.80.17 (talk) 14:29, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

Footnote/References consistency

Calais1984 username Trying to get the footnotes consistent is what I am having difficulty with. Also why is when typing stuff in and it's saved, then it's not there. I've just noticed I'm missing a footnote/reference. Beats me. I'll re-do it. Over to you please.14:41, 1 October 2015 (UTC)Calais1984 (talk)