User talk:Redrose64

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Invasion of Time edits

Moved to Talk:The Invasion of Time § Variant theme music

The link you asked for

Sorry I'm bad at using wikipedia and messed up adding the cite, I asked Northern the other day about Bolton's Platform 2 and they replied to me https://twitter.com/northernrailorg/status/291975325221535745?uid=17412258&iid=am-34365388813588638626255904&nid=56+427

Reading

Moved to m:Talk:Meetup/Reading/4#Shall we continue?

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The Monk

I was sitting with a high steward, discussing Anglo-Saxon monks. The name we couldn't remember was Nennius. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 04:39, 22 April 2014 (UTC).

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Template talk:WikiProject Biography

Hi Redrose64, quick message. On Template talk:WikiProject Biography, I removed the category not because I had been lazy and just not fixed the issue, I just hadn't realised that it might have been there because someone had posted a link to it in the talk. I had assumed it was just a one-time problem with the actual template itself at the top of the talk page, and so I could fix that by removing the category. I used hot cat, so didn't actually see what I had deleted. I should have checked changes before pressing to save my edit. I apologise, I just wanted to clear any misunderstanding. Thanks, SamWilson989 (talk)

Sailing from Holyhead?

Where can you sail to by Stena Line? — Preceding unsigned comment added by IkbenFrank (talk • contribs) 20:08, 27 April 2015

Season's Greetings

	Wishing you a Charlie Brown Charlie Russell Christmas! 🎄
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VarunFEB2003 and template signatures.

WP:Help desk#Sign issue

British Rail Class 153

Hi You have noticed some corrections I have been trying to make on the Class 153 rail vehicle page. I'm new to editing so am having some difficulty. I was in charge of the Class 153 work programme. Regards John Wood --Jwoch (talk) 21:47, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

@Jwoch: the problem with British Rail Class 153 is that, three times now (18:16 to 18:31, 9 October 2016, 21:04 to 21:08, 24 November 2016, 21:19 to 21:36, 24 November 2016), you have removed information which was (fairly) reliably sourced, and replaced it with information which is either unsourced, or sourced only to somebody named "John Wood", who (given your post above) is presumably yourself. On the third occasion, you also broke the page formatting, leaving a mess of red error messages in the References section. Your repeated edits might be seen as edit-warring, and with the breakage that I have described, even disruptive.

Personal knowledge does not satisfy the policy on verifiability, and also goes against the policy on original research; and if you really were in charge of the Class 153 work programme, then you have a conflict of interest and so your edits are unlikely to satisfy our policy on neutrality. You are free to make suggestions on the article's talk page regarding corrections and clarifications, so long as you respect the talk page guidelines. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:36, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

Dear Redrose64

I am new to trying to make corrections to Wikipedia. Ill health also limits how often I can participate. My personal interest is in the Class 153 diesel railcars and I have been trying to make corrections and get the Company's and my personal contribution correctly detailed. The Class 155's were converted to Class 153 by Leyland Bus. The work was carried out at the Leyland Rail plant located on Derwent Ho, Workington. I was both the Project and Works Manager of the whole exercise.

I'm obviously struggling to get things right and must apologise to all affected.

If you could assist - and take some credit, I would be pleased if you could make contact.

JW Jwoch (talk) 19:38, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

@Jwoch: Pretty sure I have explained this before. Wikipedia has certain core content policies, these include verifiability, no original research and neutrality. Your edits to British Rail Class 153 have gone against at least the first two of these, since they have removed sourced information and replaced it with information that is either not sourced, or comes from your own personal experiences. If you worked on the project, you should also respect the guideline concerning conflicts of interest. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 19:45, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

Grid for Learning - education initiatives

My interest in Coldharbour Mill Working Wool Museum is more than cursory. I have been working up a proposal to bring to the attention of Teachers/Students/Parents that an article may be relevant/essential to the course/syllabus/NC topic that they are focusing on. It is documented in User:ClemRutter/proposal and I may need a little technical help on the Template design (for the mock up I hope to use tables). One possibility is to approach it as a project and for the assessment, have a container template which will display a list of child templates each of which will have the usual class=|importance= stuff along with a lot more. The container template would also need to nest within the WikiProjectBannerShell:. Have you any thoughts on who has the time and the ability to help? For practical purposes I am looking at trialing it with National curriculum and a couple of GCSE courses. --ClemRutter (talk) 00:52, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

When people screw up their WikiProject templates, it's usually myself or MSGJ (talk · contribs) who fixes them. I've created the doc page for several dozen, normally based upon what the template actually does (and not on what the WikiProject would like it to do). --Redrose64 (talk) 00:59, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

Is a map reading "original research"?

Surely taking the measurement of distance on a map as being OR is taking it a bit far isn't it? How else are we to measure the geographic scales of anything unless we have some specific source giving the exact distance. You could argue that as a map has a scale that it already provides the necessary information as a source could you not? G-13114 (talk) 17:59, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

Your "ref", in full, is <ref>Google Maps distance measurement</ref> which is rather vague: the lack of a specific source means that WP:V is not satisfied. You are making an analysis of (presumably) published material that serves to reach a conclusion not stated by the source. This is from WP:NOR, which goes on to state "To demonstrate that you are not adding OR, you must be able to cite reliable, published sources that are directly related to the topic of the article, and directly support the material being presented." Even the words "distance measurement" are a red flag for original research. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:52, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

Anyone can perform a distance measurement on GM, so I don't see why that isn't verifiable. Also, that may apply to written sources, but does it apply to maps? A map can't state a conclusion, but you could argue that the information is already implicit within the map. G-13114 (talk) 17:02, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) I'm not sure it's ever specifically come up at WP:RSN, but as Google Maps is user-editable and notoriously full of pranks, hoaxes and errors, I'd be extremely reluctant to ever consider it a reliable source for anything but the most basic of information. ‑ Iridescent 17:45, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Riley and Son deletion discussion

Hi, given your interest in railway matters, I would appreciate your input at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Riley and Son. It's not my area, really, and I got involved by accident. Thanks Mcewan (talk) 23:07, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diplomacy
	thank you for your contribution on adventist today and spectrum magazine and thank you for letting me know about my mistakes Jonnymoon96 (talk) 23:06, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Template:Oxford area RDT

Your ‘throw out the baby with the bath water’ approach to edits that you disagree with is not appreciated. Instead of just hitting revert, you should fix the the specific change you object to.

With respect to your edit summary “if you want to convert to {{BS-map}}, please do so *without* compromising the carefully-planned layout. Rewley Road and General were so close together that parallel lines are intentional here”, if you actually compare the two edits you will see that the two stations were not moved one iota. (The change involved removed the kinks between Wolvercote/Oxford North Jn and Exchange sidings/Sheepwash Channel.)

The latest edit now has General and Rewley Road as close as possible without actually combining them. I hope you’re satisfied (altho’ you’ll probably complain about the location of Oxford Goods next).

This kind of lazy editing is inappropriate for an admin. Useddenim (talk) 14:06, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

@Useddenim: I did not hit revert: in fact, there is no such button - I have "undo", and "rollback"; and I used neither. If I had, this diff would show no difference. I copied all the {{BS3-2}} etc. rows from the previous version into yours. Before doing this, I did compare the two versions, and almost every row had been changed - the only one which you left alone was that for Oxford Road Halt.

It has been established for a long time now that before making wholesale changes that others might disagree with, you should discuss. You have been asked before not to steamroller your changes through. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:40, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

Oh come off the hyperbole. The two versions are shown here side-by-side with highlighting, and eleven of the 25 rows were completely unchanged, with much of the remainder consisting of changes to the text labels. The revised geometry actually brought the RDT closer to the RCH Junction Diagram for the area (except possibly for the Exchange sidings, which were subsequently revised).

Yes, I know there’s no revert button—that was artistic license on my part (analogous to BRD)—but you have to admit that is essentially what you did, template header and footer aside. Visually and functionally there was no change. So on the whole, I hardly think I made a ‘wholesale change’ that was ‘steamrollered’ through.

On a more collegial note, Shouldn’t the River Thames be included for completeness, as well as possible the reservoir near Hinksey Halt (to explain the diversion of the Grandpont Goods loop)? Useddenim (talk) 14:10, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

The River Thames (or Isis) is complicated near Oxford, splitting and recombining often, with in some areas as many as four separate courses (not all of them natural). I only included Sheepwash Channel (which is artificial) because of the swing bridge. The reservoir is a flooded gravel pit, and was dug after the railway line was diverted; the diversion was to give a straighter and shorter route into Oxford General from the south. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:32, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing that up. So can I assume that the current version of the diagram is (reasonably) acceptable to all? Useddenim (talk) 16:25, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) No it's not. From MOS:FONTSIZE: "Avoid using smaller font sizes in elements that already use a smaller font size, such as infoboxes, navboxes and reference sections. In no case should the resulting font size drop below 85% of the page fontsize (or 11px)." All of the font sizes smaller than that used for "Millstream Junction" breach that bright-line rule. I've reverted so please sort out a layout that doesn't use such small text before changing again. --RexxS (talk) 17:43, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

Ah yes, the lazy editors way of ‘fixing’ thing: just revert (his wording, not mine this time!), ignoring all of the other changes in favour of half a dozen lines of text. Besides, now’s a fine time to raise this issue. You’re a little late to the party, given that {{BSsplit}} (transcluded onto 4,530 pages) has been in use since 2011, and its deprecated predecessor {{BSkm}} (still in use on 615 pages) for almost a decade.
Apparently the version you want is this; which is noticeably wider than what it started out as! Useddenim (talk) 02:49, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

Enough with the digs Useddenim - like myself, RexxS (talk · contribs) doesn't have 20/20 vision. Claiming "in use since 2011" is no excuse for violating WCAG. I myself have never used either {{BSsplit}} or {{BSkm}} in any RDTs. If an RDT is too wide (a subjective assessment), I consider altering the wording, not imposing font shrinkage. --Redrose64 (talk) 09:09, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

This user is farsighted.

Fine. The digs are my way of pushing back against wholesale reversion of a ‘problem’—real or presumed—rather than addressing the one particular issue in question—text size—(which you can’t deny is what RexxS did here). (And for what it’s worth, I myself am farsighted.) Useddenim (talk) 13:58, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

@Useddenim: Don't call me lazy, sonny. I'm a volunteer here, the same as anybody else. When you screw up, take some responsibility for your mistakes instead of whining about other editors restoring a page to the last good version that didn't breach MOS. I'm not under any obligation to let you waste my time by unpicking the mess you made. We have a 'revert' button for a reason - and you're it. --RexxS (talk) 16:08, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

It's not a mistake; it was an improvement: better layout and reduction in white-space. The only ‘mistake’ was in engaging with you two. Useddenim (talk) 16:50, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

Removal of my content.

Moved to User talk:Polly Jackson § December 2016

 – Redrose64 (talk) 20:44, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

No move warring on Wirral line

Please unprotect. Note that the issue was resolved to the satisfaction of both parties. See User_talk:Dicklyon#Wirral_Line_page_move. Dicklyon (talk) 23:30, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

No. It was moved three times in 32 hours, the last one just 7 minutes before I move-protected it, which without discussion is two moves too many. If nobody wants to move the page again, the move-protection is of no consequence, and will expire on 13 January 2017. If you (or somebody else) want to move it again without discussion, the protection will prevent further move-warring and so is warranted; if you (or somebody else) wants to move it again with discussion, the way to do that is a WP:RM at Talk:Wirral line, not somebody's user talk page, and if that RM results in consensus to move, the closing admin will be able to perform that move. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:45, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

I don't mind it being move protected, as there's no dispute about it being at the right title now, but I tried to edit it and it was fully protected. Dicklyon (talk) 23:48, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

Works now. Perhaps the system was just confused because I was in the middle of an edit when you changed the protection. Thanks and sorry for the bother. Dicklyon (talk) 23:51, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

@Dicklyon: It was edit-protected for about 59 seconds (from 23:27:05 until 23:28:04) because I used the wrong drop-down when protecting, see the prot log for the page. Sorry for the inconvenience. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:57, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

As for why your pp tag was removed, that was accident; I had kept a copy of my editted version, and just pasted it over on my second attempt to edit, and didn't notice that I squashed the tag that had come in minutes earlier. Sorry. Dicklyon (talk) 03:48, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

Season's greetings

Merry Xmas. 🎅

Now with that out of the way, I feel like I'm banging my head against a brick wall, trying to explain why pseudo-headings are a bad idea at Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Discretionary sanctions. The discussion is at Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee #Protected edit request on 13 December 2016. If you had a minute to spare ... Cheers --RexxS (talk) 00:10, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

That's just it... with Christmas coming up, I'm working 6 days a week now instead of 4, and the shop manager is also trying out late evening opening. Monday I worked 12:00-20:30; yesterday 12:00 to 19:15; today I'm on 09:00 to 18:00. This means that I have a 22-hour watchlist backlog which by the time I get home tonight will be 34 hours. --Redrose64 (talk) 07:58, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Looks like it was sorted. --Redrose64 (talk) 00:36, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

It was. And a Happy New Year! --RexxS (talk) 01:05, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

Please advise why you removed updates to Stone Crossing Wiki. The information was CORRECT.

Please advise why you removed updates to Stone Crossing Wiki. The information was CORRECT. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.255.235.234 (talk) 10:58, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

I have no idea what you are talking about. The only wikis that I have edited are listed here and none of them is called "Stone Crossing". --Redrose64 (talk) 20:24, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

I would assume this edit at Stone Crossing railway station is the one referred to. -mattbuck (Talk) 21:10, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

It was not only unsourced but had all the appearance of a comment that properly belongs on the article's talk page. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:16, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Template : Erewash Valley line RDT

I don't know if anyone has this on a monitoring list, but when the new station of Ilkeston opens (supposedly by the end of 2016 but now said to be early 2017), it is said to be on the same site as the closed station of Ilkeston Junction and Cossall that is shown on the existing line template. I looked at the template talk page but no entries are shown upon this.

Xenophon Philosopher (talk) 07:25, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

Just wondering if you found out anything about the matter yet.

Xenophon Philosopher (talk) 00:06, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

No. HJ Mitchell (talk · contribs) has lived in that area, have you asked them? --Redrose64 (talk) 01:14, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

Alan Evans

Sorry for any confusion. My redlink proved to be unnecessary as we already have the Allan Evans dab page, where the existing Alan Evans is listed. I was hoping a dab page link there might help new editor Andiwindsoruk, but he jumped right in and used that link for his new article. I'm not sure the individual he has in mind is sufficiently notable for an article, but we'll see. Regards. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:41, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

I couldn't discern any notability; and it's clear he was writing about a living person, so I applied WP:CSD#A7 in line with the tagging by Seacactus 13 (talk · contribs). Also, the edit summary upon creation was "Added a friends details", so there was a conflict of interest and strong WP:NOTYOU. --Redrose64 (talk) 10:48, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

The small glimpse I got of that draft led me to much the same conclusion. And I also spotted the "my friend" comment. No issues with the deletion, I just wanted to offer a glimmer of light before the door was slammed shut so quickly in his face, in case I appeared, you know.... a bit "bitey"? Martinevans123 (talk) 10:57, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

Crofton Park Station

Hello,

Thank you for your message, however the information we added is factual and not meant to be "soapboxing". Please can you kindly rephrase the information rather than remove it? It is important to include information about the user group and a link to the website so please can you amend this in a way that suits the content rather than just deleting it?

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.211.74.62 (talk) 11:19, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

Please read WP:NOTSOAPBOX, WP:NPOV and also WP:ELNO. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:45, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi There,

You keep removing information about the Crofton Park usergroup saying its "soapboxing" yet this is factually correct information and has been referenced.

Instead of just removing it, please can you either amend it or explain what needs to be done to rephrase?

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.211.74.62 (talk) 09:33, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

The only reference that you have given is the link to your pressure group's own website. Therefore, since Wikipedia is not a soapbox or means of promotion, you need to find reliable, independent and neutral sources, in accordance with our core content policies of neutrality, verifiability and no original research. In addition, you are making unverified claims about a living person, and so the policy on living persons applies too. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 09:48, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

Merry Christmas Redrose64. Have a wonderful time! — Preceding unsigned comment added by IkbenFrank (talk • contribs) 09:45, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

Hello Redrose64: Enjoy the holiday season, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Cheers, Class455 (Merry Christmas!) 17:35, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

Spread the WikiLove; use {{subst:Season's Greetings1}} to send this message

Thank you

Thank you for fixing my mistake with Bus.--Dthomsen8 (talk) 17:47, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

All the best for 2017!

Hello Redrose64,
Enjoy the Winter Solstice and the Christmas and holiday season.
Thank you for all your good work during 2016 in maintaining, improving and expanding Wikipedia.
All the best for 2017! Cheers, — Gareth Griffith-Jones | The Welsh | Buzzard |  16:31, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Merry Merry

Season's Greetings, Redrose64! At this wonderful time of year, I would like to give season’s greetings to all the fellow Wikipedians I have interacted with in the past! May you have a wonderful holiday season! MarnetteD|Talk 19:11, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

Are they all necessary?

It's a divisive article which, as Jytdog said, can't decide whether it's about a meme or a serious encyclopedic subject. MaxBrowne (talk) 10:47, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

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Extended confirmed protection policy RfC

You are receiving this notification because you participated in a past RfC related to the use of extended confirmed protection levels. There is currently a discussion ongoing about two specific use cases of extended confirmed protection. You are invited to participate. ~ Rob₁₃^Talk (sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:31, 22 December 2016 (UTC))

Merry, merry!

From the icy Canajian north; to you and yours! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 04:15, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Thank you

Hi Redrose64, Thank you for your feedback and edits. You taught me something new re. linking to commons. I thought you might like to know that I did go on to raise a WP:SPI but as the sockpuppet was created over two years ago and hasn't been used since, the SPI was closed. I have no doubt there more troublesome WP:SOCK matters than this historical one to deal with. Thanks again. Luther Blissetts (talk) 17:57, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Huntingdon Rail Station.

The previous article contain serious errors Services which had been withdrawn in 2012 were still showing. Also services which no longer call at Railway Station.

Please note that Stagecoach Bus-Way and Rail system is connecting service with Plus bus tickets for through ticketing. as are Whippet services also accepting Plus-Bus.

The service list updated previous data which was very wide of the mark following funding cuts in 2011,2012 and 2013.There were further service reduction in November 2016 by Whippet. There is also a cull in January 2017 by Stagecoach of certain service workings on some routes but no service withdrawn.

Most of the services shown except 45 are Commercial services

Unless you live in Huntingdon l suggest you leave local link data alone, yes it about Huntingdon Rail Station but the section relates to Connections by bus to other areas as part of Cambridgeshire Travel Plan and Bus way Intergration to link both Huntingdon and Cambridge Rail Stations by bus and provide a connections to Peterborough when rail system is non operational. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mkbooks (talk • contribs) 18:15, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

This railway station is served by Thames Travel bus route X32

@Mkbooks: My edit is here: if you check it again you will see that I did not add any out-of-date information, whether from 2012 or otherwise; and whether I live in Huntingdon or not has nothing to do with it. Wikipedia has certain core policies, these include those of verifiability, no original research and neutrality, all of which were violated by this edit. If you're wondering why I consider it to be non-neutral - this is an article about a railway station, not a local transport guide, so see WP:UNDUE. It has long been established that articles about railway stations may give brief details on buses that serve the station, but this does not extend to buses that stop some distance away, nor to giving lists of places served, or the days and times that they operate. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:14, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

It is not a local travel guide but true state transport links for road/rail connections

for which Rail tickets (Plus-Bus) can be used on.

The fact as non resident you will not be aware that there are two bus stops on the Railway Station approach as well a bus only loop on the concourse In your edit you were in violation by removing this data OK l will give you that bus station is not at the Railway Station but railway tickets bought under plusbus can be used at Bus Station. Times are not normally given as they change frequent under terms of Transport act 1985.

Your edit is now incomplete and a very poor reflection of services around the station and to/from it. It is a long standing wikedpia policy to give bus links to/from the railway station or very near by in case the railway station approach. Your edit make the entry meaningless to a visitor or user of the railway station. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.180.165.227 (talk) 09:23, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

You claim "it is a long standing wikedpia policy to give bus links to/from the railway station" - if it is Wikipedia policy, please provide a link to the relevant policy page. Verifiability is Wikipedia policy, but when I mention it, I always provide a link to the actual policy, as I did in my previous reply.

Articles on railway stations are about the railway station itself, not about the general area, nor about bus routes or even bus stations (with certain defined exceptions, such as Altrincham Interchange - but even there, we don't go into detail). When a railway station article speaks of it being served by a bus route, we mean that the bus stop is right outside, or if there are no stops outside, we may tolerate them being perhaps a short walk along the street.

PlusBus validity has nothing to do with it. It is possible to buy rail tickets to Oxford which include PlusBus on all routes of four different operators in the city (plus some outlying towns and villages) - yet to catch a bus to Begbroke, Kidlington or Yarnton, it is necessary to walk to Magdalen Street; and to catch a bus to Garsington or Kennington, you need to walk to St Aldate's. Both of these are more than 1,000 metres (0.62 mi) from the rail station. Our article on Oxford railway station does not describe the routes of Arriva Shires & Essex, Oxford Bus Company, Stagecoach in Oxfordshire or Thames Travel, all of which operate in Oxford, and on all of which PlusBus is valid - and nor should it do. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:18, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

wow

didnt realise you're father christmas and a happy new year rolled into one... hard to know where to start..

• WikiProject Ecoregions got started but not even to stage one for proper assessment framework...
• WikiProject Indonesia all it needs if the others agree is a sentence with a link to the spelling page in the body of text

Its not every morning I wake up to something like your comment at the Indonesian project. Like reading all the recurring nuisance socks have been permablocked by magic, or.... it is staggering. JarrahTree 00:02, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

Your proposal to delete the category "Barilla plants"

Dear friend, as you must surely know, the purpose of a category is to help would-be enquirers into a certain subject navigate more efficiently to other pages that treat on the same subject. Why then are you proposing that we delete a category that is used for various plants in our ecosystem that are all classified as "Barilla plants", that is, plants that are salt-tolerant (halophyte) plants, such as the saltworts, and those plants containing high quantities of either soda, sodium and chloride? It makes no sense to me. Can you please explain your motive?Davidbena (talk) 17:32, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

@Davidbena: I made no such proposal. My only edit relating to that category is this one, which I made because the category was listed at Wikipedia:Database reports/Self-categorized categories. To put it another way: when you created the category, you put it inside itself - and in no other category, which does not "help would-be enquirers into a certain subject navigate more efficiently to other pages that treat on the same subject".

Why do you think that I proposed it for deletion? --Redrose64 (talk) 17:49, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

Aha! Now I understand you. Thanks for explaining. I, obviously, misunderstood your intention. My apologies to you, and may you have good success in all that you do on this venue, Wilikipedia. Be well.Davidbena (talk) 18:06, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

Happy New Year Redrose64!

Happy New Year!

Redrose64,
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My edits

Mr. Redrose64

I think you have made a mistake. My edits to those pages are true.

Yours sincerely,

Tobias — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.158.170.208 (talk) 20:38, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

I think you have made a mistake. According to your contributions, you have made only one edit - which is your post above. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:42, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

So I have. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.158.170.208 (talk) 20:54, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

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Unprotection

Unprotect Video game content rating system article! 79.153.65.156 (talk) 16:32, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Why? Britmax (talk) 16:35, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

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Doncaster rail crash

Thanks for explaining the use of the hatnote. But I am still wondering why the smaller of the two crashes had a dedicated wiki page, but the bigger one did not. Valetude (talk) 13:37, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

Maybe because nobody's written it yet? --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 17:59, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

Eyes needed

The British Rail Class 31 article may need a weather eye kept on it. 50044 exeter's editing is starting to look questionable at best. Mjroots (talk) 19:50, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

I noticed. I've been watching it for years. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:17, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

link to a category

Happy new year Redrose. How do I link a page to a category. On the Great Eastern Railway page (section 9.2) I have tried to add a link to the Directors of the Great Eastern category but cannot get ti to work. Help!--Davidvaughanwells (talk) 10:40, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

Your edit being this one. With a link like [[Directors of the Great Eastern Railway|here]] which yields here, you're not linking to a category, but to a (non-existent) article; you need to include the namespace prefix in the link. There are two ways of doing this:

1. by using the {{cl}} template: {{cl|Directors of the Great Eastern Railway|here}} which yields here
2. by actually putting in the namespace prefix: [[:Category:Directors of the Great Eastern Railway|here]] (notice the extra colon at the start) which yields here

See also WP:CLICKHERE and WP:EGG. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 11:02, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks--Davidvaughanwells (talk) 12:40, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

regarding Talk:Severus Snape and the Marauders

I was not aware that suggested popups in the Rater tool could be invalid template targets. In all other instances I've encountered, suggested results in the rater tool link to valid wikiproject templates. Apologies for that, I'll preview when using unfamiliar projects in the future.  InsertCleverPhraseHere  21:04, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

@Insertcleverphrasehere: What is this "Rater tool" of which you speak? It might explain why I come across so many redlinked WikiProjects - up to twenty a week. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:18, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

User:Kephir/gadgets/rater. It is incredibly useful for adding and editing wikiprojects, though it is prone to error like everything else I suppose. I notice that it now has a warning that it is unstable and you should check the preview, so perhaps that was the issue, but as I said, I haven't had many problems before as it has been working fairly flawlessly for months for me (though I generally use it for the obvious wikiprojects like 'biography'). I know now that I've got to check its suggestions if they are not wikiprojects that I am familiar with.  InsertCleverPhraseHere  22:13, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

OK, I found User:Kephir/gadgets/rater/projects.js and removed the entry. Let's see if somebody complains. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 23:40, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

Good work, if I notice any similar I might do the same. I don't think Kephir has been working on it for some time now, but it is still a very useful gadget, if I had any coding experience I might take it over, but unfortunately, I don't ...  InsertCleverPhraseHere  06:47, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

Also, have this!  InsertCleverPhraseHere  06:59, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

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ANI notice

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved.
(The request is about Dicklyon, but your own conduct has been mentioned.)  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  21:57, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Just to be clear, I'm not trying to see you sanctioned, only to have you reconsider posts like the one at issue, and to get the vexatious "re-ANI" against Dicklyon closed quickly (again). I'm skeptical that you can't actually see my point that posting an 'I'm predicting (without checking) that a particular editor is to blame for the current dispute, and everyone should go do enforcement research against him, especially regarding ANI' message at a topical wikiproject, in mid-dispute, after the project was non-neutrally canvassed to go bloc vote in the dispute, and when you've repeatedly been in similar style disputes with the editor in question yourself, is probably not constructive or appropriate, even aside from expectations about admins, and regardless what motivated it. As I said at the ANI thread, I'm not looking to get into a debate with you about the motivations; I care about the actions and their part in the escalation of the dispute, and in not seeing a repeat. If you have what you think is incontrovertible evidence an editor is being disruptive, you should just take it to ANI yourself (or AE or RFARB if you think it rises to that level), don't you agree?  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  20:43, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

I would have taken it to ANI if I thought that ANI was warranted. In this case, I didn't.

Now to what raised my suspicions. I followed the first discussion link that Bermicourt provided at WT:RAIL#Potential mass move of railway articles could hinge on discussion at one article - it was Talk:Narrow gauge railways in Saxony. Whose name should I see as the creator of both threads at that page? Yes, it was Dicklyon. Then I looked at Bermicourt's move log, and checked the history of some (not all) of the moved pages; and whose name came up again and again? Yes. You know who. So, there you are: no actual predicting was involved. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 23:32, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Fair enough. But suppose I strike that part (just did, see above). I think my 20:43, 30 January 2017 comment above still stands with that part removed. :-)  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  23:31, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Some questions

Hello R. I hope that you are well. The first question is Dr Who related. I find myself liking An Adventure in Space and Time more and more each time I watch it. Do you know if the house used for the exteriors of the Hartnell home is the one where William and his family lived in real life? The other questions relate to our old friend Category:Wikipedia pages with incorrect protection templates. I have forgotten what needs to be done when articles like Cheetos and Galileo Galilei show up in the list. Also, there are three sandboxes and one admin toolbox that have been in the cat for several months. Is there anything that you can do to remove them from it. If not no worries. Thanks for your time and cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 16:04, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

@MarnetteD: These six edits fixed them. Of these, that to Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring fixed User:CorbieVreccan/Admin Toolbox; and those to Template:Periodic table (32 columns, compact)/doc and Template:WikiProject Visual arts/doc fixed Template:Periodic table (32 columns, compact)/sandbox and Template:WikiProject Visual arts/sandbox respectively. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:22, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

I really do appreciate your looking into this and fixing everything and for taking the time to add these links to show me what you did. Best regards. MarnetteD|Talk 21:27, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi again. Close to 1400 articles showed up in the category today. I looks as though it has to do with the protections performed by Maile66 to various "cleanup" and "plot size" templates starting at 13:15. M added protection templates to those then they were removed by Dbresser. I am not sure what needs to be done to get the articles out of the category so your expertise is needed. Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 19:50, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

It was this edit by Maile66 (talk · contribs) which did it. Quite apart from being entirely unnecessary (since the template's documentation automatically handles any pp icon padlocks that may be appropriate), it wasn't inside <noinclude>...</noinclude> which is essential on a template (or any other transcluded page) when the addition relates to the templates itself, and not to the pages the template is used in. The correct action is to revert: which Debresser (talk · contribs) has already done, but it will take some hours (perhaps days) for all the affected pages to pass through the job queue. If that will take too long, you can WP:NULLEDIT each affected page individually (we could send in Joe's Null Bot (talk · contribs) to do that, but I believe that Joe Decker (talk · contribs) is still having difficulties there). --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:07, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

I guessed that it was something along these lines. There is no hurry on this. It is good to know that they will be drop out of the category eventually. As ever many thanks. MarnetteD|Talk 20:13, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

My apologies for my error. Thanks for letting me know. — Maile (talk) 20:15, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

@Maile66: Another question: why were you protecting template doc pages? Apart from one instance, they had never been edited improperly, so I've lifted the protection entirely on all of them - except for one where I could find only one disruptive edit: so I reverted that and reduced the protection to expire tomorrow. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:26, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Fine. When I protected 3 templates, a message appeared below the request on at Requests for page protection "Automated comment: @Maile66: One or more pages in this request have not been protected.—cyberbot I 13:46, 31 January 2017 (UTC)" Two completed requested are still on the request page, if you want to look at it. Template:More plot, Template:No plot. Template:Cleanup list was part of that, but it seems to be gone from the requests page. It's not like we have an instruction manual, you know. It was an error message, I thought. I reacted to it. If associated pages were not protected, the documentation page is an associated page. It didn't make sense to protect the sandboxes, so I left them alone. — Maile (talk) 20:39, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

@Maile66: I see what happened: although you indicated on the RFPP page that you had template-protected the three templates, you had in fact only semi-protected them. I very much suspect that this inconsistency is what caused the "One or more pages in this request have not been protected" message to be displayed. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:52, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Ah! Ha! Thank you so very much for the information. Being an admin is sometimes feeling one's way through the dark. I somewhere totally missed that the template-protected is not semi-protection. Odd ... the first one I did, was a semi-protected. And then I thought I had done it incorrectly and changed it to template-protected. One thing is for sure, I'm not likely to forget this lesson on any other semi-protection requests for templates. Thanks for your patience in explaining this. — Maile (talk) 21:57, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

There indeed is no reason to protect documentation pages, in general. I am a bit surprised an admin wouldn't know this. Debresser (talk) 23:15, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Random note: Null Bot is actually back alive, as of a couple weeks ago. And on the Tools server, which should prevent future significant outages. My apologies for the prolonged downtime. --joe decker^talk 01:51, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

A modest proposal

Hey, Red, you seem like a reasonably neutral party with respect to hyphens. So would you like to draft a neutral RFC about hyphenating narrow-gauge when used as an adjective? I asked Bermicourt to do it with me, but he has been offline for about 4 days, so maybe he's not available. And where should this be, to get good exposure? And/or suggest who else I should ask to help. Dicklyon (talk) 23:54, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Drafting an RFC

See my draft at User:Dicklyon/rfc#RfC: Hyphen in titles of articles on railways of a narrow gauge. I invite anyone who wants to help make it a neutral question and productive discussion to make tweaks there, or make suggestions, or start your own alternative proposal. Thanks. Dicklyon (talk) 01:52, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

I'm not getting much feedback from you or anyone, so may go ahead with this in a bit. Dicklyon (talk) 16:46, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

@Dicklyon: I got your email. I do not discuss Wikipedia matters off-wiki, except at organised meetups or Wikimania events. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:59, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

No problem. Dicklyon (talk) 23:25, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

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Village Pump RFC

Because of your input on previous discussions, I wanted to bring your attention to a discussion I have started at the Village Pump regarding the use of foreign languages in templates. --Zackmann08 (^{Talk to me}/_{What I been doing}) 19:16, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

@Zackmann08: I'll become aware of this in about two minutes, since Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Wikipedia policies and guidelines is on my watchlist and is scheduled to be updated at 20:01 (UTC). --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 19:59, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

Okie dokie. Sorry. --Zackmann08 (^{Talk to me}/_{What I been doing}) 20:39, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

There you go. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:41, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

Your reverts to my edits

What—in your London-centric view of the world—makes you think that everyone who types in Waterloo rail(way) station wants the London Waterloo station page? Useddenim (talk) 20:12, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

@Useddenim: It's an unavoidable side-effect of reverting several edits made to redirects by Rm2033 (talk · contribs) back to their last stable versions - for example, Waterloo rail station and Waterloo railway station had both been unchanged since 09:04, 22 February 2008. If Rm2033, yourself or indeed anybody wishes that these long-standing redirects should be repurposed after such a long time, the proper course of action is to file a WP:RFD. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:32, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

I was wondering when someone was going to pay attention to Rm2033 (talk · contribs). It looks like the work of a WP:SOCK, but not in a terribly disruptive manner (altho’ I don’t think ‘AEC Routemaster’ is necessarily more descriptive nor accurate than ‘Routemaster bus’, depending upon context). Useddenim (talk) 20:44, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

Redhill to Tonbridge Line

Despite massive opposition at the first RM, Dicklyon sneaked in a second RM just days later, and we've now go a dashed, non-capitalised title for the Redhill to Tonbridge Line article. There is also another mass-RM request running (notice posted at WT:UKT). This is getting well beyond WP:DISRUPTIVE now. Mjroots (talk) 16:16, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

Was this RM not advertised, posted, and discussed enough on the project talk page and other places? What are you saying about "sneaked"? And where is this opposition you refer to? Dicklyon (talk) 17:26, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

Call me suspicious but User:Dicklyon I am beginning to think you are playing a game. The world and his neighbour knows that hyphens were never, used when referring to these lines. It is interesting to see you plotting more disruption on Stanton's talk page. All this rubbish will have to reverted eventually- would you like to start now, as this is a great timewaster for all of us. As I said before, I would love to have a face to face chat over a beer when you make a site visit to Kent, or Derbyshire. But you have been rumbled- I have a lot more to do- please don't get yourself topic banned before you have ad a chance to visit.--ClemRutter (talk) 20:18, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

Sure, I enjoyed the beer and whisky at the White Lion in Tenterden last time I was around there; didn't quite make it to Tonbridge, nearly an hour away. Nothing about hyphens is going on here, though (though some books may use a hyphen to represent the role of the en dash; and some that look like hyphen in the GBS snippets really are dashes, like this one and this one and this one). Dicklyon (talk) 20:37, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

@Dicklyon: it can be arranged. There's a meetup in London this coming Sunday; ClemRutter (talk · contribs) has signed up, I'll be there, and Mjroots (talk · contribs) has also said yes. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:00, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

Sorry; maybe in Aug/Sept I'll be in your part of the world next. Dicklyon (talk) 21:01, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

I wont by at the August one- but do let us know when you are over- a get together is a must. I fell for the puzzles you posted- and all the examples actually referred to the same piece of track but in different contexts, which makes it so important that you get the capitalisation and hyphenation right. Since you messed around with the Glossop Line, I have been looking carefully at how different printed sources tackle the problem. We are not the only ones to get it wrong.

Generally in the title case (of a book, magazine, Hansard legal document) it is all upcapped and hyphen free, but when in that book, the piece of track between two station is mentioned, then (and I assume it is correct) the word line is down capped and hyphens may be introduced. I have seen a lot of inconsistences within single paragraphs - where the sub-ed was not just confused but lazy. But no source seems to get that right- but we can.

In our article tiles we must upcap, route templates too, and within the templates upcapping individual lines. For chords mentioned in the article downcapping may be correct- but the official name of the chord should be considered to be a title. Within a wikitable the hyphen may replace the word and, or to. The Glossop Line was particularly difficult to get right referring as it does to the remaining western section of the Woodhead Line, but terminating in Glossop. The chord between Dinting and Glossop is the Glossop line (down capped), the chord between Glosssop and Hadfield being the Glossop and Hadfield Line (upcapped or down capped depending on context). Here a hyphen would mean 'and' not 'to'.

A lot of the matches in you puzzle rely on a single publisher, Oakwood Press from around 1947. I find they style contrary to the conventions at the time- it worked for them, but I can't reconcile myself with the idea that the decision of one editor should be a binding precedent for us. The thought of a line of beer pumps however beckons.... too bad that it wont be till September that we can test each one of them out.--ClemRutter (talk) 23:33, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

Clem, I'm having trouble following your train of thought here. You have read WP:NCCAPS, right? We would generally not do our article titles any differently from the same terms in text (except for the initial cap, as in starting a sentence). I agree that when other take a term and make a title of it they do tend to capitalize most or all of the words, and do tend to omit hyphens that they would have used in text; but Wikipedia doesn't do that. And that thing you're calling a hyphen between places is an en dash. Dicklyon (talk) 03:04, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

Sorry I missed this one. Having difficulty with my line of thought? I suppose if you haven't been wrestling with this problem since 2007, then you would have a bit of catching up to do. Going back to Mandrusses last edit Naming_conventions_(capitalization) January 2016 WP:NCCAPS you will see that we take authority from Fowlers 3rd edition. In the paragraph on capitals (p=128) section 2, in my edition, we see quite clearly Parts of recognised should be capitalised- and examples are given of Addison Walk (In Magdelen College Oxford), Regent Street, London Road (if official name) but the London road (thats leading to London). Elsewhere I ave given examples of the Suez Canal, the Kiel Canal, the Panama Canal. You really are going out on a limb to suggest that the Glossop Line, a similar linear geographical feature is qualitatively different. I wish I could give you some further guidance but online sources are likes hens teeth and when you find one it is littered with errors, or uses the two forms (official name)& (leading to) many times in the same text often contradicting Fowler. That's where we started ten years ago- and all that seems to have changed is the WP:NCCAPS is less clear and no longer names its sources. ClemRutter (talk) 22:26, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Still not following. What Mandruss edit? What does Fowler have to do with this? And what about the clear consistent capitalization of those canals in sources, very unlike the lines? We are not in the business of making up proper names (or shouldn't be, though in the UK rail lines we have been). Dicklyon (talk) 22:51, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Just follow the link ! Mandruss's last edit on Naming_conventions_(capitalization) January 2016.:-) ClemRutter (talk) 23:03, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

I had done so, but it wasn't a diff. I suppose you mean this. Not clear to me what difference it makes; care to elaborate? Dicklyon (talk) 23:07, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Bogie#Railway

Thank you for noticing and reverting my mistake. Wikipedia depends upon editors and administrators like you. Please take another look at the article. I hope I got it right this time. I will watch this spot, in case you decide to respond. Thanks again. Comfr (talk) 06:03, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

The Queen Album

Apparently it's all on Youtube. Here's a sample. Mjroots (talk) 19:19, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

High Speed Train?

In this revert, is it the case, or the hyphen, or both? What's the basis for the proper-name treatment of High Speed Train here? Dicklyon (talk) 00:59, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

High Speed Train is the expansion of the acronym HST, and has been capitalised that way for over forty years. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 01:14, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Yes, I see lots of places where it's capped in defining the acronym HST; but not much otherwise. We don't usually cap things just for acronym definition, and I don't find evidence in sources that High Speed Train stands alone as a proper name. Dicklyon (talk) 01:51, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

See news and books, where lowercase hyphenated is pretty common, and caps without the defining of HST is not. Dicklyon (talk) 01:58, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

There are many types of high-speed train (which redirects to High-speed rail), whereas High Speed Train refers to the specific class of British train (redirecting to InterCity 125). --David Biddulph (talk) 02:50, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Yes I see it redirects there, and that's the intended meaning when it's capped. But I still don't see why it's capped, as it does not appear to be a proper name, except perhaps in the context of High Speed Train Project, which appears to be where this comes from. Shouldn't we just link Intercity 125 when that's what we mean, and downcase it otherwise? Dicklyon (talk) 03:18, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

As David Biddulph points out, the difference is between the generic and the specific. There is a good example of the distinction in

• Chacksfield, John E. (2004). Ron Jarvis: From Midland Compound to the HST. The Oakwood Library of Railway History. Usk: Oakwood Press. ISBN 0-85361-618-3. OL130.

where on page 149 we find

There was one glimmer of hope on the horizon, this being the advent of the High Speed Train project. Now that running of trains at speeds up to 100 mph was becoming commonplace and, with the increasing competition from the airlines, the case for a frequent high-speed train service became paramount.

When you have two Class 43 power cars [locomotives] flanking up to nine Mark 3 coaches, that is a High Speed Train, and that is how British Rail referred to them in most documents (in the early days of the project, it was High Speed Diesel Train). The term "Inter-City 125" (capitalised and hyphenated thus) was a slogan thought up by BR's marketing team for use on the High Speed Train, and painted on the sides in the early years; it is not the name of the type of train. HJ Mitchell (talk · contribs) has carried out much research on the matter, having lived within cycling distance of Derby Public Library for some years. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 09:09, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

I've got half a bookshelf dedicated to the HST. It's one of those articles I've been meaning to overhaul for years (and it certainly needs it!), and it's always annoyed me that the article is titled IC125 rather than HST. But regardless, High Speed Train is its name. The name (unhyphenated, with caps) doesn't refer to trains travelling at high speed in general but to this particular train. It's as much a proper noun as ... St Paul's Cathedral. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 12:35, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Interesting that Chacksfield has "High Speed Train project". Most books cap Project in that context (except for one about the California project, oddly). Dicklyon (talk) 23:34, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Ah, I do see a few with a better search, though lowercase and all-uppercase and various hyphenated all make good showings, too. Dicklyon (talk) 23:41, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

• Just one more of these inane and deliberately provoking moves or renames and I will raise another thread at ANI, seeking a specific topic ban to prevent you from making any more. Your behaviour here is ridiculous. Andy Dingley (talk) 23:19, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

  Huh? Did I move or rename anything? Am I not allowed even a modestly bold edit now and again? Dicklyon (talk) 23:24, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

• Not when your renames are:

• Simplistic and slavish enforcements of a standardised styleguide
• Ignorant of any subject knowledge
• Obviously contentious, given your past track record with the scope of this (and maybe other) projects.

A certain amount of ignorance for specific narrow subjects is always expected and excusable, but a wiser editor might see that as a reason for caution. You evidently do not, and you have had it made clearly obvious how much you have annoyed project members who do have some familiarity with the subject. Andy Dingley (talk) 23:29, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

I didn't do any renames. Is bypassing a redirect all that objectionable now? Did I get contentious about it when it was reverted? No and no. And I wasn't ignorant; I had already seen that sources speak of a High Speed Train Project and commonly define the acronym HST with High Speed Train. Perhaps I'm ignorant of why people still want to cap High Speed Train on its own, which sources don't much. Dicklyon (talk) 23:34, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

There is a diff at the top of the section: you replaced High Speed Train with high-speed train. Then when you were reverted over that, you went on to start renaming things altogether. Seemingly you have a compulsion to make changes; any changes, just to annoy other editors. Or else you went immediately from not even recognising a HST as one specific form of "train at high speed", through to making value judgements as to whether IC125 or HST is the better term, against project members who do have such knowledge. Andy Dingley (talk) 23:52, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

I'm sorry you can't accept my edits for what they are, and have to take them as attacks on your person. Get over that. It's not about you. Dicklyon (talk) 23:55, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

And yes I still have a hard time accepting that "A High Speed Train ..." can be accepted as correct (because "A" before a proper name seldom is), but I'm not warring about it, am I? Dicklyon (talk) 23:58, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

A Land Rover, a Boeing, a Cadillac, ...? --David Biddulph (talk) 01:17, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

Sure, people do put "A" before trademarks, even though it's not strictly correct. "A High Speed Train train" would be more correct, but I can see why we wouldn't go there (while "an HST train" is perfectly common). Dicklyon (talk) 01:23, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

For example, see that most web hits are either lowercase or are associated with defining HST (the exception being this highly-specialized HST group). Dicklyon (talk) 23:55, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

review

Hi dear Admin. please check and review this user editions

all of his editions are vandalism like this or this or this or changing paragraphs, numbers or words in articles

also he delete all notifications in his talk page like thisModern Sciences (talk) 02:49, 16 February 2017 (UTC)