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Hannah Holborn Gray

In the body of the article about Hannah you mention that she was at Northwestern University, Evanston campus, however in the chronological listing you don't mention Northwestern Unversity!!!!!She was also Dean of Woman at NU. Please contact her office or Northwestern University and correct this omission. Much appreciated.......Quecumquae sunt veritas!!!!!

Gilad Atzmon

Gilad Atzmon is a highly controversial figure, subject to tidal waves of abuse, and we are trying to rewrite that page according to WP:NPOV, which I take means also scrupulously documenting everything, even negative, said of him in WP:RS. Sources of this kind are abundant.

WP:BLP states

Never use self-published sources—including but not limited to books, zines, websites, blogs, and tweets—as sources of material about a living person, unless written or published by the subject of the article.

Despite this unambiguous rule, some editors are insisting that a a blog on an activist antifascist advocacy website written by Nick Lowles can be used as a sources for Atzmon’s views, and wish to retain this article hosted on Hope not Hate, where the blogger is an executive. In defence of overriding WP:BLP's on blogs, WP:NEWSBLOG is cited. But Hope not Hate is not a newsblog.

The argument over this can be read on the talk page here. Third party independent input would be appreciated.Nishidani (talk) 12:33, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Another point, while waiting for a reply to the above.

Is Jewcy RS for a WP:BLP article? Nishidani (talk) 17:55, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Tom Steyer

Article is full of libelous and off-topic content. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:14d:8000:7644:fc6a:502b:ec2b:5b75 (talk) 23:21, October 26, 2017‎

Already fixed by Marquardtika Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 03:31, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

FYI, there is an ongoing vandalism issue happening at the Steyer page right now. I just filed a report at WP:AIV. Marquardtika (talk) 03:33, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Paul Erik blocked that address, although it would be good for us to keep an eye on since vandals can use different IP addresses. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 03:36, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected for a week. Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 03:38, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Ravi_Shankar_(poet)

Noting a pattern of vandalism with respect to this page. There is a continual removal of sourced notable links about this figure and a suppression of positive information, and an insistence on negative information continually made by the same editor User:ScrapIronIV - the history of this page shows that this editor lacks neutrality and objectivity and seems intent on suppressing relevant information. I would suggest another Wiki editor look at this page to insure that the correct information remains and would also look at the aforementioned editor's editing privileges as he/she seems to have a personal vendetta against this subject.

SiphoB (talk) 04:41, 27 October 2017 (UTC) Tend to agree based on User:ScrapIronIV editing history. Seems to lack neutrality. I have just added some notable sourced information (Best American Poetry Blog and Connecticut Commission on Culture & Tourism Artist Fellowship). Let's see if these get vandalized or not.

Mark Halperin

Change was made to page of Mark Halperin immediately following his sexual misconduct allegations labeling him a "conservative author" instead of simply "author." This violates the biographies of living persons policy because the claim as to his political orientation is unsourced and controversial. The timing of this edit and lack of supporting evidence would appear to be politically motivated.

Fixed issue. Philip Cross (talk) 10:54, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Glenn R. Simpson

• Glenn R. Simpson (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

"However the Republican donor soon dropped out of what Simpson and Fusion GPS were doing. The Democratic National Committee and the Hillary Clinton campaign for president picked up the deal with Fusion GPS and funded the remaining political assignation of Donald Trump before he was elected the 45th President of the United States"

There are so sources. This Fusion GPS ordeal is conspiratorial so keeping the pages as informative and perhaps unassuming seems important. Currently, the article does not source and does not seem to provide a verifiable, neutral point of view.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:547:901:6570:79dc:deea:ae1e:8a5e (talk) 14:52, 27 October 2017‎ (UTC)

Benjamin A. Kraus

• Benjamin A. Kraus (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

This article is not worthy of a wikipedia article. It's just someone writing about them self.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.237.138.162 (talk) 18:36, 27 October 2017‎ (UTC)

I have to agree completely. The only reliable source, an article from Business Week, has absolutely nothing to do with the subject. Not only that, it does not even mention his name. The article is written like an ad (more for a company than the subject). It's basically "Subject works for this company, who does this that and the other thing. Previous to this he worked for... and prior to that he worked for." No real information of any substance. I recommend it for speedy deletion for no indication of importance. Zaereth (talk) 18:53, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Although it probably qualifies for CSD, I nominated it for AfD out of an abundance of caution. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 20:06, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

'cosmo jarvis' wiki page

• Cosmo Jarvis (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Hello,

The information presented here on Cosmo Jarvis is not up to date and ignores many developments in recent years. Especially in '2010 to present' section - here there are many informations which are lacking or which, if included while others are not, creates an article which requires more detail and overall context to shed light on his recent works (especially as an actor in theatre, TV and FILM)

(see here) http://www.imdb.com/name/nm4008605/

His involvement with 'Hawke the movie' while correct information should not be featured at the expense of other, more notable, widely distributed and arguable more significant works.

I am suggesting the need for a revision/update on this page.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.149.215.89 (talk) 18:57, 27 October 2017‎ (UTC)

Manny_Lehman_(disc_jockey)

This report relates to Manny_Lehman_(disc_jockey).

The page is not neutrally composed and reads as a sales pitch from a publicist.

I have edited the page to remove an incorrect life achievement. The page listed that he made chart topping remixes for Madonna for the song "what it feels like a girl"... but when you look at the officially released remixes for that song on the wiki page... he is not listed.

He did produce unoffical and unreleased remixes for that song as shown at , The Doimi de Lupis family was also granted a knighthood by Emperor Franz Joseph I in 1855 and 1865 when Croatia was under Austrian hegemony.),

Instead, the editor changes this to:

Ingrid Detter met her future husband, Louis Doimi de Lupis (who later controversially added the name of Frankopan and title of Prince, having previously adopted the title of Count; the Doimi de Lupis family were however granted nobility- in the form of knighthood only- by Emperor Franz Joseph I in 1855 and 1865), when they were both studying at Oxford University (see below on the history of the family name). They married in 1968.

The revised entry is not adequately resourced: the note to Daily Telegraph shows that the newspaper did not suggest that the change of name would be 'vontroversial' but the editor added that. the note to the book about the Frangipani shows unequivocally that the Doimi de Lupis family is a branch of the Frankopan family and has the right to the titles, Princes Frankopan, Counts Doimi de Lupis.

The addition of the word 'only' to the grant of a knighthood is unprofessional and disparaging.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saluspopuli (talk • contribs) 15:29, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

Frankopan

Someone repeatedly amends this page, recently renamed as 'Frankopan' from previously House of Frankopan where a section now reads 'controversially name claiming':

Revised (disputed) version of Frankopan#Controversial name claiming

Although the House of Frankopan ended in the 17th century there were unsuccessful attempts of seizing their name and holdings in the centuries that followed. The newest such a case is claim by some members of the Dojmi di Delupis (Croatian version of the name) / Doimi de Lupis (Italian version of the name) family, originally a 13th century minor nobles (knighthood) from the island of Vis who were never connected to the Frankopans in historical documents. In the year 2000 Louis Doimi de Lupis, by then a British citizen, changed his surname to Doimi de Frankopan Šubić Zrinski under British Civil law, adding several names of ancient Croatian noble families that combined in such a fashion were historically never attributed to any member of mentioned noble families. Subsequently the Croatian Nobility Association expelled the Doimi de Lupis family from their membership calling the name reverting a falsification. Additionally, John Kennedy, editor of directory of Europe's royalty and nobility Almanach de Gotha, stated that the use of the name Frankopan by Doimi de Lupis family is "more aspirational than inherited". In the late 1990s, trying to save the reputation of his family name, Louis's cousin Mirko Jamnicki-Dojmi di Delupis wrote an open letter where he denounced claims over Frankopan, Šubić and Zrinski names by his family and presented the family tree of Dojmi di Delupis containing 129 names from the year 1200 onwards. In 1990s the wife of Louis Doimi de Lupis Swedish lawyer Ingrid Detter bought the Ribnik Castle (once propriety of the Frankopans, the Counts of Krk) for the price of 1,6 million kunas. Having previously adopted the title of Count, Louis Doimi de Lupis together with his wife and children eventually started to use the title of Prince (a royal title never held by the Frankopans) claiming that an Italian court gave them the right to use the name of Croatian noble family the Frankopans as well as the style of Prince/Princess in the late 2000s. The Frankopan's historical title knez was (at the time) high feudal hereditary title which was translated as conte in Italian historical sources and is equivalent of Count in English. Apart from the sources where certain members of Doimi de Lupis family claim to be Croatian princes it is possible to find online sources where they are styled as "Prince/Princess ... of Croatia" which is a royal title that only the heir apparent of the House of Habsburg-Lorraine could legitimately claim. References

The entry should read, changing the title 'controversial name claiming', to 'living members of the Frankopan Family':

Original (preferred) version of Frankopan#Controversial name claiming

The Frankopan family is not extinct but was declared 'enemies of the people' during communism in Croatia. The Doimi de Lupis family, living in exile in England, reverted to the name of Frankopan and title of Prince, after the fall of communism in Croatia in 1991. In 1992 Louis Doimi de Lupis Frankopan founded the Croatian Nobility Council, drafted their Statutes and incorporated Council as a private association under Croatian law. Following a dispute about 'pre-plemstvo' members, that is families so old that they had refrained from having their titles confirmed by the Austrian overlords, he resigned from the Association. The Court of Perugia, having previously examined the genealogical tables of the family and the grant of the title of Prince by King Sigismund in 1425, with sanction of anyone who disputes this, confirmed right of the name and titles of the Doimi de Frankopan family, as Princes Frankopan, Counts Doimi de Lupis, in a judgment in 2007. The judgment has executory force in all jurisdictions in Europe and elsewhere., The Doimi de Lupis family was also granted a knighthood by Emperor Franz Joseph I in 1855 and 1865 when Croatia was under Austrian hegemony.), References

The revised entry is not adequately resourced and refers to tabloid gossip, an 'open letter' by an invented 'cousin', and several disparaging newspaper articles and numerous offensive and irrelevant remarks.

The original entry, repeatedly removed by this editor, refers to official court documents and published authoritative material.Saluspopuli (talk) 16:02, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

Richard Ayoade

link Hi, we have a problem on the above page where trolls are repeatedly miscatorising the ethnicity of Richard as being English. The article states he is of Norwegian and Nigerian ethnicity, but in the first paragraph some user is repeatedly using the term English to refer to his Ethnicity. Can someone assist as this is grossly inaccurate and can only be trolling. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Margolis-Marmite (talk • contribs) 13:08, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

A subject's ethnicity is not mentioned in the opening summary, only nationality; it helps prevent ethnicity being used pejoratively. So the mention of Richard Ayoade's Nigerian/Norwegian ancestry there is inappropriate. (Wikipedia has a long running editing issue over British/English, the later being technically inaccurate, but that is beside the point here.)

Wikipedia does not normally add links to headings, which I why I modified your entry. Philip Cross (talk) 13:29, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biographies#Context for the established policy. Philip Cross (talk) 13:32, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

• Just to expand a bit further on (almost entirely correct) by Philip above. Its not an ongoing issue with British/English, its British/Scottish, N.Irish, Welsh, English. Essentially the compromise over time is while the Nationality (read:citizenship) of any of the above will always be British, where they have expressed a preference, or have a strong connection to a particular nation (as many sportspeople do), they are listed as that instead. Sean Connery is a Scottish actor, Benedict Cumberbatch is English, Gavin Henson is Welsh etc. AFAIK as I know, Ayoade has not expressed an particular preference (he might have) but he is very 'English' in manner and upbringing. None of his roles are really 'English' like say Cumberbatch's Sherlock. You could argue it either way, personally I would use British unless someone provides a primary source/self published statement. The key item is that 1st and 2nd generation immigrants in the UK almost always identify with the Nation (capital N this time) rather than the individual country they live in. Only in death does duty end (talk) 13:54, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

The actual problem at that page can be illustrated by inspecting User:Margolis-Marmite's contributions. He has an interest in articles relating to race and white supremacy, has edited the leads of a number of politicians to state that they are jewish, and most recently (aside from denying that Richard Ayoade, a man born in England is English), edited to remove "English" from the link to ... presumably because, in his eyes, "black people can't be English".

I was going to permablock him for not being here to contribute to the encyclopedia as per multiple reasons on WP:CNH, but I'd like some other admins' opinions first. Catfish Jim and the soapdish 14:14, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

<comment> Whilst I am quite obviously involved, I have to take issue with Margolis-Marmite's automatic assumption that any opinion differing to his is either racism[1][2] or trolling.[3] Chaheel Riens (talk) 15:46, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

Oh he is obviously English, but also equally obviously British - generally in this situation (nationality) we list them as whichever is more appropriate. We certainly wouldn't list him as Norwegian or Nigerian in that place as PC points out, since his nationality (afaik unless he picked up dual citizenship) is neither. His ethnic background is mentioned in the appropriate place by his parents. I can see why someone who has a POV issue with black people being English wouldn't understand that, but that's not really a point for this board. Any editor can notify/warn them of BLP discretionary sanctions and if they keep at it, take them to AE. As an admin you don't have to bother with the 2nd part as long as they have been warned in advance. Only in death does duty end (talk) 16:11, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

There are numerous sources referring to him as English and in this interview he frames himself and his work as English rather than British, as does he here. Catfish Jim and the soapdish 16:25, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

Well ref one of them next to English then :) As I said, if theres an acceptable source we can use any of the UK countries for nationality. I would have been surprised if there were none tbh, as he is very English. Cambridge footlights etc etc. Only in death does duty end (talk) 16:49, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

I love the way you dismiss the importance of ethnicity to millions of ethnic English people. Im guessing you'd never do this to a Jew. Margolis-Marmite (talk) 18:01, 3 November 2017 (UTC)