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September 29

Named ref tags syntax - what is the space for?

Most of the doc I've seen for coding named ref tags shows the syntax <ref name=refname />, with a space before the slash. However, the ref works fine without the space. Can anyone tell me the rationale for coding an unnecessary space there? ‑‑Mandruss (talk) 06:23, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

The relevant section of the XML standard can be misinterpreted as specifying that there should be a space there. And I often, in html, see <br />, where <br/> works fine. I too would like to know if there's a valid reason for the space. Maproom (talk) 07:11, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Now I have found an explanation, here. The conclusion is that the space is superfluous. It is only relevant if you are writing html (which you aren't) for a long-obsolete version of Netscape. Maproom (talk) 07:23, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the research effort. The rationale seems extremely thin to me, and it doesn't justify extra work and care on the part of countless editors who mistakenly think they have to do it that way. Further, the space adds an opportunity for a line break to split the tag in edit mode and diffs. These are things that actually have real-world meaning and impact, unlike rigid adherence to some arbitrary technical standard.

The issue is particularly significant because Visual Editor appears to insist on including the space, and that screws up existing articles that already have a convention in place to omit the space. (The same applies to quotation marks around ref names that don't require quotation marks, something that could easily be avoided by VE.) ‑‑Mandruss (talk) 07:44, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

I'm leaving work in a couple minutes and don't have time to look it up right now, sorry, but I think you'll find that the quotes are a convention carried over from XHTML. URLs and alt tags are supposed to be in quotes there as well. So every value after an equal sign tends to get quotes. Dismas|^(talk) 10:54, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Parser tags included in the core MediaWiki software and extension tags added by software extensions may look like HTML tags, but they are not, so using HTML specifications to compare them is spurious. <ref>...</ref> tags are extension tags added by the Cite software extension. MediaWiki uses Sanitizer.php to clean up a few things, such as adding quotes to attribute values if they are missing, thus adding quotes in the reference name is optional, if they meet certain rules. If the name does not meet those rules then sanitizer.php adds the quotes in the wrong place and the reference name is mangled; VE plays it safe by always adding the quotes. MediaWiki also uses HTML Tidy to clean up the rendered HTML— one fix is to add a missing space in closing tags. Thus <br/> works because it is silently converted to <br />. Tidy also fixes tags such as <br>, </br>, <br.> <br > and <br,>. --  Gadget850 ^talk 11:16, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Our world is not going to be VE-only for the foreseeable future, unless I'm missing something. VE needs to play nicely in a mixed world, and that includes not messing with established, working, and well-reasoned conventions in existing articles. Where should I go to complain about this? Also, what's the best way to get doc and help pages changed to <ref name=refname/>? Should I be WP:BOLD and do it myself, or should I seek consensus somewhere first? Aren't there some occurrences that can only be changed by template editors? ‑‑Mandruss (talk) 11:53, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

The constructs <ref name=refname /> and <ref name=refname/> are syntactically identical and work equally well. If you see one form being altered to the other, there is no point in altering it back. There is even less point in going through pages solely for the purpose of removing (or adding) the space. --Redrose64 (talk) 12:20, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

I agree, and I haven't suggested doing either, unless your last sentence refers to doc and help pages. There's zero justification for any doc that makes the user believe he has to spend time and attention on making sure there's a space there, when that is not the case. In my 30 years in the computer field, I have never seen any technical doc that does anything like that. ‑‑Mandruss (talk) 12:27, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Similar proposals have been made for <br /> and have never gained traction. I agree with Redrose64 in that there is no meaningful difference and changing it is pointless. --  Gadget850 ^talk 12:53, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

I'm out. Thanks for your time. ‑‑Mandruss (talk) 13:00, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

The Australian Film Sons of Matthew circa 1949 .

The australian actress who played Selina Benson was not Betty OrNe it was Betty ORME .. I know this because she is my mother ... could you please rectify this ... thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.29.36.7 (talk) 08:30, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

 Done. (One source here.) Thanks for pointing out the error. You could have fixed it yourself by clicking on the edit link to the right of the "Cast" heading in Sons of Matthew. Deor (talk) 09:38, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

I have "broken" a template

It is Early U.S. Gay rights movement

I added Athletic Model Guild to the last section, which then stopped displaying.

I took it out again, but it still wouldn't display correctly.

I can't find anywhere in the Help pages that addresses this.

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Deisenbe (talk • contribs) 12:02, 29 September 2014

Hi, To editor Deisenbe: I have fixed it for you and inserted the link. Looks like you accidentally removed an equals sign. Fixed it here and inserted the link here. DuncanHill (talk) 12:06, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

@Deisenbe: See Help:Page history for how to check your edits to a page. The net effect of your first edit and attempted revert was [1] which shows the problem. Help:Reverting shows how to revert an edit exactly. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:44, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Question apparently unrelated to Wikipedia

If someone told you that you had to travel five hours to the national capital to work with the central government, which type of government would this nation most likely have? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.185.24.19 (talk) 12:13, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 4 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck.Template:Z25 --David Biddulph (talk) 12:22, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

I think this template may be appropriate here as well: {{subst:HD/dyoh}}:

Please do your own homework.
Welcome to the Wikipedia Help desk. Your question appears to be a homework question. I apologize if this is a misevaluation, but it is our policy here not to do others' homework, but merely to aid them in doing it themselves. Letting someone else do your homework does not help you learn how to solve such problems.
Please attempt to solve the problem yourself first. You can search Wikipedia or search the Web.
If you need help with a specific part of your homework, the Reference desk can help you grasp the concept. Do not ask knowledge questions here, just those about using Wikipedia. Chaheel Riens (talk) 12:54, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Share button

Why is there not a Facebook "Share" button on Wikipedia pages?

Gadfly — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.28.99.197 (talk) 14:02, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Because Wikipedia is not a social network. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:29, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

But for those who simply have to post a Wikipedia page next to the photo of their dinner they've just uploaded, there's always Sharebox. Yunshui ^雲_水 14:36, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Sharebox is a script that reorders your toolbox. It adds new buttons that make it easier to mail, print or share an article on Facebook or another linksharing service. You must have an account to add Sharebox to the sidebar. See User:TheDJ/Sharebox for more information.

There have been multiple discussion on adding this feature that have ended in no consensus. --  Gadget850 ^talk 20:17, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Assistance with Uploading a registered Logo

Hello,

I am a representative for a company that has a page on Wikipedia and I am trying to get the appropriate logo uploaded as the current logo is the old version. I am in the marketing department with the company and need to know how to upload this file with the appropriate copyright tags.

Please Advise!

Jana — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jana.Brackett (talk • contribs) 15:48, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

First, please declare your conflict of interest on your user page. Second, you can make a request for the file to be uploaded at: WP:Files for upload. Hope this helps.--ukexpat (talk) 15:54, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Go through this page, and since the image you are trying to upload is probably copyrighted, read this section, in particular. Once you have determined that the image is suitable for upload, upload it! --Fauzan^{✆ talk}_{✉ mail} 15:58, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Requesting an article

I want to request an article on "Medallion Homes", but it is so complicated and confusing, that I am completely daunted by the endless links and redirects, the edit tabs... sheesh. Can't I get someone who knows how to work this thing to do it for me? Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Awbattelle (talk • contribs) 19:15, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Firstly, you'd have to provide evidence that 'Medallion Homes' merits an article in Wikipedia. Specifically, you'll have to demonstrate through references to third party published reliable sources that the subject matter meets the relevant notability guideline - and a quick search on Google suggests that though there are several organisations calling themselves 'Medallion Homes', none of them are likely to meet the criteria. This is an encyclopaedia, not a platform for free advertising. AndyTheGrump (talk) 19:22, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Which Medallion Homes is it about? Do you want to request somebody else to write an article at Wikipedia:Requested articles, or do you want to write a draft yourself and request it is placed in the encyclopedia? PrimeHunter (talk) 20:34, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Given how backlogged Requested Articles is, a draft (former Articles for Creation) is more likely to get the requested attention. However, do you (the original poster) have an affiliation with Medallion Homes? If so, you will have to deal with the conflict of interest policy. That is, declare your interest, and the reviewer of the draft will take that into account, as in deleting any puffery or promotion. As two previous replies have noted, there are several businesses by that name, and you will have to provide third party published reliable sources that one of them is notable. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:44, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

image sizing

A bat

I'd like to put this image in an article but when I try to size it, it doesn't show. Can someone tell me what I need to do? SW3 5DL (talk) 19:30, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

It shows fine in Straw-coloured fruit bat and Eidolon (genus). Please be more specific about the article. --  Gadget850 ^talk 20:14, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

It works for me when I sized it here. Do you see it to the right? Which code do you use to place it? PrimeHunter (talk) 20:21, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Ah, brilliant. Now I realize my mistake. I'd just done a sizing for a map, no problem, but this for some reason, I put the thumb/pixels before the .JPG. Thank you Gadget850 and PrimeHunter. Appreciate the help. SW3 5DL (talk) 20:31, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Mass message log

At https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log/massmessage there are a number of entries in the form

"Delivery of "X" to User talk:Example was skipped because target has opted-out of message delivery"

When I opted out of message delivery, I expected to be left alone, not to see a notice in my watchlist every time a message delivery was skipped. Where do I go to complain about this? --Guy Macon (talk) 22:43, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Everybody with your talk page on their watchlist see the log entry. There doesn't appear to be a way to avoid it. You can post to mw:Extension talk:MassMessage. The author Legoktm seems to reply quickly there. In this case the mass message used Wikipedia:Meetup/LA/Invites. You can remove your name and add it to the opt out list at the bottom, but it will not affect mass messages using other lists. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:50, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Alas, no answer so far. --Guy Macon (talk) 07:32, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

September 30

Automatic Unit Conversion

(NOTE: I have my reasons for standing by the Imperial Units/Customary Units and loathing the metric system.)

In any case, not all pages list what a measurement in metres, kilometres, etc. convert to, and I don't really feel that I should have to look up a conversion chart or learn the metric system to be able to understand what a measurement is implying in an article.

As such, I ask this:

Is there some way (whether through a script that I can execute for my browser or otherwise) that I can have metric units replaced with imperial units client-side? Tharthandorf Aquanashi (talk) 00:24, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

I don't know a Wikipedia tool for this. The Google search unit converter extension finds some browser extensions. I don't know anything about them. Install at own risk. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:57, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

See {{convert}}. The applicable guideline is MOS:UNITS. --  Gadget850 ^talk 08:13, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

I've installed an add-on that auto-converts metric and Celsius to the normal traditional Imperial Units and Fahrenheit for me. Thanks much. Honestly, though, I think that this should be implemented as a feature within Wikipedia that is changeable in the user preferences. Tharthandorf Aquanashi (talk) 23:17, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

Ghost series of footnotes following me around and tacking onto the end of what I write

On the Talk Page for the article Daguerreotype, When I add a comment, the code version does not show a series of footnotes that it has picked up from the article, like this:

Unlocking the Secrets in Old Photographs, p. 126. 1991. Retrieved 2009-06-29.

Jump up ^ Jump up ^ Nelson, Kenneth E. (1996). "A Thumbnail History of the Daguerreotype" Jump up ^ Davis, D.T. (November 1896). "The Daguerreotype in America" McClure's Magazine 8(1):4-16. Near the end of the article, the author notes that the venerable Mr. Hawes, of Southworth and Hawes, has "a number of daguerreotypes made recently, for he is one of the few operators who remain loyal to the old process". Available online from the Daguerreian society Jump up ^ Tennant, John A. (August 1902). "Copying methods" The Photo-Miniature 4(41):201 et seq. See page 202 for mention of new daguerreotypes being made circa the 1890s by recycling old plates. (Selected text available online from The Daguerreian Society) Jump up ^ Cannon, Poppy. (June 1929). "An Old Art Revived" The Mentor 17(5):36–37 Available online from The Daguerreian Society Jump up ^ Romer, Grant B. (July 1977). "The Daguerreotype in America and England after 1860". History of Photography, 1(3):201 et seq.

but the section shows up when I save the page.

But now when I cut and paste, I notice that all the numbers of the footnotes have been omitted, and at the commencement of each line it says "Jump up" followed by a circumflex accent.

We will see what it looks like when it is written out after clicking on "Save page" - and in the highlighting, I can't highlight the initial 1 for the first footnote.

This series of footnotes has stuck itself onto the last "new section" I write at the end. It is not visible in the code version, but only later after it is saved. The section is added at the end of what I write and disappears from where it was previously. RPSM (talk) 11:51, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

It is a new feature that automatically creates a reflist on the bottom of any page that has ref tags in it. I have fixed the talk page by adding {{reflist-talk}} on two sections that had ref tags in them. GB fan 11:56, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

@RPSM: see Template:Agrl. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:59, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

Template:Agrl are a new feature that automatically creates a reference list at the bottom of any page that has <ref> without reference list markup. On talk pages you can add {{reflist-talk}} at the end of a discussion to properly place the reference list. For more issues see the Template:Agrl help page. --  Gadget850 ^talk 15:23, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

Thank y'all. RPSM (talk) 20:33, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

• Why is this enabled in the talk namespace, where it is almost certain to put the references in the wrong place every time? --Guy Macon (talk) 07:35, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Skyquake

The talk page refers to Skyquake (Transformers).

As the term 'mistpouffers' appears on the List of unexplained sounds could the two be reconciled. 108.171.128.162 (talk) 14:24, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

What happened here is that a couple of months ago the Mistpouffers article was moved (re-titled) to Skyquake, but its talk page wasn't moved. I have asked for deletion of the redirect from Talk:Skyquake to Talk:Skyquake (Transformers), and once that goes through then Talk:Mistpouffers can be moved to Talk:Skyquake. Meanwhile I have added hatnotes to both article pages: Noyster (talk), 12:02, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Above has now been done (thanks User:Thryduulf): Noyster (talk), 13:25, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Please delete

http://wpedia.goo.ne.jp/enwiki/User:SK_AKIF_HOSSAIN Please delete this page as it content promotional content — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.57.47.213 (talk) 14:44, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

 Not done - We have no connection to wpedia.goo.ne.jp - Arjayay (talk) 15:03, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

Note: wpedia.goo.ne.jp contains some templates copied from Wikipedia, for example see the line starting with 'Administrators: check links'... on the linked page. That may confuse many readers, which can then come here with requests and complaints relating to wpedia.goo.ne.jp pages. --CiaPan (talk) 15:17, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

Edit conflicts

Can you answer this, please? Editor A starts an edit to a page. Editor B starts an edit and saves it before Editor A has finished. Editor A finishes his edit and saves it. Does that not knock out Editor A's edit, because Editor B is effectively saving an old version of the page? If so, what is the best way for Editor A to avoid this problem? Sometimes an edit can take a long time to complete. --P123ct1 (talk) 15:40, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

The {{in use}} template can help.--ukexpat (talk) 15:57, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

You might want to read through Help:Edit conflict. GB fan 16:00, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

Help:Edit conflict only describes a scenario where the first to click edit is also the first to click save, but as far as I know it makes no difference who clicked edit first. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:38, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

Whilst not wanting to encourage hundreds of minor edits, it is often helpful for major changes to be broken down into sections, as this allows an editor who does not agree with one part of the changes, to revert just that portion, rather than reverting all the changes; whilst also avoiding losing many minutes work in the event of an edit-conflict.
I don't think there is an easy answer to this - I have worked on computer systems where, once one person opens a file for editing, no-one else can edit it until they have completed, but this leads to "file hogging" where people leave files open for hours, so they can edit it when they want to. This would create a new problem of people blocking edits to an article by opening it. - Arjayay (talk) 17:02, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

indecent link and access to personal data

How do we report a link from wickipedia that takes you to a porn site which then sends text messages to your phone charging you a large amount of money. The link was from dinocroc V's supergator page on external links the official web site page is the link to an unpleasant porn site — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.200.29.50 (talk) 17:18, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

The link has been removed by Glaisher. You could have also removed it yourself but if you needed a hand, asking here is good. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 17:29, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

HELP - ARTICLE KEEPS GETTING TAKEN DOWN

I am trying to get an article up and running about a literary magazine, but it keeps getting taken down. Help? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.156.95.36 (talk) 17:52, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

What is the name of the article? What account or IP address were you using when you created it? There is no record of any edits by this IP address. --Orange Mike | Talk 17:55, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

I suspect this is about Quiddity International Literary Journal and Public-Radio Program, also created as Draft article on Quiddity international literary journal, now recreated at Draft:Quiddity International Literary Journal and Public-Radio Program.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 19:41, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

Any quick way to build a diff template?

When I need a {{diff}}, I (1) copy my sample out of sandbox, (2) fill in page, either by typing or by copy-and-paste, (3) type label, (4) navigate to the diff that I want, and (5) copy-and-paste the oldid out of the URL. All this is so cumbersome and time-consuming that I feel there must be a tool to eliminate some of these steps (1, 2, 5). If there is, what is it? ‑‑Mandruss (talk) 17:57, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

Diff links vary in format. If you take a diff link from your own contributions page, the parameters are already in the correct order. For example, in your contribs, I find

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&diff=prev&oldid=627709049

which becomes

{{diff|Wikipedia:Help_desk|prev|627709049|Link}}

Diffs found elsewhere need some more reformatting. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:03, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

question about moving content to new articles

If I move content from an original article, leave a summary, and then start a new article, how do I make this known on the article other than the edit summary? Any special tags, etc.? SW3 5DL (talk) 19:06, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia: "When copying content from one article to another, at a minimum provide a link back to the source page in the edit summary at the destination page. If substantial, consider posting a note on both talk pages." AndyTheGrump (talk) 19:31, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

AndyTheGrump, thank you. Appreciate it. SW3 5DL (talk) 03:43, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Responsive?

On my iPhone right now and am having to scroll from left to right. This is quite irritating. Are you responsive? Am I inadvertently missing the mobile version of the site? All the best, — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.90.139.17 (talk) 20:09, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

Try asking at WP:VPT.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 21:56, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Archiving User Page

My User Page is in a mess because I never got the hang of archiving stuff. Where do I go to find out routines? Can I delete unimportant things like unpaired bracket reminders? RPSM (talk) 20:41, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

You can delete anything you like, with certain exceptions (see WP:BLANKING). The two main archiving bots are ClueBot III (talk · contribs) and lowercase sigmabot III (talk · contribs), the instructions for which are at User:MiszaBot/Archive HowTo. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:51, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

(edit conflict) You mean user talk page. See Help:Archiving a talk page and WP:BLANKING. I have added {{Reflist-talk}} to a section of your talk page [2] so the 13 references are displayed there and not automatically added at the bottom. That was the only thing I would call a mess. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:54, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

Did all msg from face book

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This is Wikipedia. It is nothing to do with Facebook. If you want to report a problem with Facebook, go to Facebook, and pick "Report a problem" under the down arrow at the end of the toolbar. --ColinFine (talk) 22:04, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

Userboxes--pictures disappeared, deleted?

I recently looked at my home page and saw that in perhaps a little more than half of my Userboxes, the pictures have disappeared. They've been replaced with little statements including "PX" and numbers; I'm supposing that those refer to the size of the pictures in question. This includes already established Userboxes that I transcluded and ones I created myself.
When I click on one of those spaces where the pictures used to be, on some of them I get a file upload page (at least, I think that's what it is); on others I get a note that the file has recently been deleted. But in those cases, I can sometimes get to the picture itself, and there's no history on them since long before I joined Wikipedia.
And I'm wondering why there would be a run on stuff deleted. Uporządnicki (talk) 21:15, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

When I edit your page the images show, so they aren't deleted. Looking into this. --  Gadget850 ^talk 21:26, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

A purge fixed it. --  Gadget850 ^talk 21:27, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! I hadn't heard of this. But yes, it's fixed now. Uporządnicki (talk) 17:46, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Mobile version of Wikipedia ( ios ) : no language column to the left, how to switch?

Hello,

as a regular user of Wikipedia I noticed some time ago when looking for topics in google and clicking Wikipedia links, that the mobile version is pretty neat for tablet reading, but this new look does not feature the left column where you can easily switch from one language to another

being interested in different languages, cultures and different info on certain topics, this desktop function is very handy

is there an easy way to access the language switch without quitting the page in mobile version?

thanks for helping out

kind regards

Nico — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jazzooka (talk • contribs) 21:22, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

There is a blue button on the bottom of the screen with interwiki language links. This button is not there if there are no links. - Sincerely, Taketa (talk) 10:10, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Math symbols via Unicode.

I need to enter some math symbols for my post but so far I could not figure out if I can do it via Unicode. In particular I need a symbol for the norm (double vertical parallel lines). Thanks --AboutFace 22 (talk) 21:24, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

See Norm (mathematics)#Notation; the Unicode character is U+2016 which may be entered as ‖ and displays as ‖. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:32, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

&#x2016 does not work. Placed in a line of text it comes up as the number "&#x2016" Placed between < math >&#x2016</ math > (distorted on purpose) it gives a parsing error. There is a secret there you failed to mention. --AboutFace 22 (talk) 16:08, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

The semicolon is required. RJFJR (talk) 16:14, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, but the parallel lines are displayed so close, I cannot see double. Please take a look at my sandbox. --AboutFace 22 (talk) 16:31, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

∥ is in fact what I need, (& # x 2 2 2 5;) Thanks, --AboutFace 22 (talk) 16:47, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

October 1

List item deleted but not the redirect that points there

Currently, Grilka redirects to List of Star Trek characters (G–M). The Grilka listing was taken out back in April though. Do we normally keep the redirect in cases like this? Or should it be deleted? Dismas|^(talk) 00:10, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Since the redirect itself includes some info, I'd just leave it alone. (p.s.: I forgot how to make a redirect page an internal link) 71.20.250.51 (talk) 03:26, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

finding search content's key words

too often i search for stuff on duckduckgo or google and find what i'm looking for in the description of the article but can't find it when i actually go to look in the article, so i was wondering if you guys could work with the search engines to highlight the key words that my search and your article have in common. I realize this may not actually be that easy so i'll just leave this with you guys and see if you implement any of that stuff — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.69.99.146 (talk) 00:37, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Your browser may have a feature to search the current page for a string, maybe with Ctrl+f. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:46, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

How do I upload audio on Wikipedia?

I have some audio to compare MP3 with Vorbis. How do I make it appear on the page I am editing? Vorbis None159 (talk) 02:17, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

If the file meets Wikipedia's Copyright rules, you can upload it via the File Upload Wizard. RegistryKey (talk) 02:35, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Jackson Hastings

Please be advised you have wrong information regarding parents.

His mother is Megan Harrod and his father is Kevin Hastings

You have Lynn Hastings as his mother she is not related to Jackson Hastings

Could you please update this information as soon as possible.

Thankyou — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.2.29.179 (talk) 07:44, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

The current version of the article shows only his father, and as far as I can tell the article has never named a mother. I'm not sure what you're looking at, but if you still feel Wikipedia is in error please provide a link to the page containing the error. ‑‑Mandruss (talk) 07:57, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Update : The article about his father names his father's wife as "Lynn", but it doesn't say that Lynn is Jackson's mother. ‑‑Mandruss (talk) 08:15, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Note : A different IP added the mother's name shortly after the above, without a cite. When I went to find a source, I found that the mother is facing big-time embezzlement charges, making it quite evident the motive for adding her name to her son's article. I didn't add the cite, since there are no other sources. Wondering what I should do, if anything. ‑‑Mandruss (talk) 15:00, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Info Box UK School

Dear Help Desk

At our school Lady Eleanor Holles School I am trying to edit the info box on the right hand side. The replace the name J Ross as Chair with the current Chair C Stokes. Am not sure how to gain access to do this. kind regards, Shelley newton Shelley Newton (talk) 08:49, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

 Done Changed to "C S Stokes", per official website and existing name styling in the infobox. Thank you. ‑‑Mandruss (talk) 08:57, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

how much time to edit a proposed article?

Hi,

I have submitted an article and a user called Troutman has written back with suggestions for improving it. However, I am going away for the next three weeks and won't be able to make the necessary changes until after October 21. Will this be a problem? Will the article be deleted? If it is, can I submit it again?

ThanksDesperateMamma (talk) 09:33, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

No need to worry - draft articles aren't tagged for deletion over inactivity for a minimum of six months. Even if you don't go back to it for six months and it is deleted, you can still have an administrator restore it at Requests for undeletion. There's no rush. Yunshui ^雲_水 09:37, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

reverting advertising - 3RR

Hello! I know that reverting vandalism is exempt from 3RR, but what about promotion/advertising? Is that considered a content dispute? If so, what is the best way to have someone review what I believe to be blatant promotional language? Thanks! 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 12:03, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

I have removed a load of promotional guff from Magic Software Enterprises. But it might be better just to have the article deleted. It has no independent references. Maproom (talk) 14:16, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi, I would suggest that this would fall under WP:NOT3RR where it states that when in doubt, do not revert and use the dispute resolution procedures instead. The addition of the promotional/advertising material might be being made in good faith by an editor that simply doesn't understand our policy towards it. CaptRik (talk) 14:21, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Thank you both. WP:DRN was what I was trying to think of. I should know this already, but I just don't usually edit in contentious areas. 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 14:26, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Family of T.B.Narasimhachar gave me a photos for use along with the article. It is not copyrighted. How do I tag it?

File:tbn-bw.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rasane (talk • contribs) 14:12, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but everything is copyright unless it is very old (varies from country to country, but 1923 is a typical age) or has explicitly been released into the public domain, or suitably licensed, by the copyright owner(s). If the copyright owner for that picture has published somewhere an explicit release of it (which will allow anybody to use it for any purpose), then it can be uploaded. Otherwise if the copyright owner perform the process described in donating copyright materials, it may be uploaded. Otherwise it can't. Your comment on the upload page says "for fair use in the public domain": this is self-contradictory. "Fair use" is a doctrine which applies to limited use of protected materials, and is irrelevant if the item actually is in the public domain - but you have given no evidence that this picture is in the public domain. --ColinFine (talk) 16:32, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Available no. of abbreviation

I want to know about how many abbreviations you have. because of I have 3000 abbreviation & my am is collect a 1 lac abbreviation & make a world record — Preceding unsigned comment added by 8.37.224.55 (talk) 14:46, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Have you seen Lists of Abbreviations? That might be a good starting point. I can't see any way of providing you a specific number without manually counting. CaptRik (talk) 15:49, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

If you just look at the three letter acronyms, there are over 10,000 valid combinations (roughly 34,000 possibilities, about a third of which are valid)--S Philbrick(Talk) 19:09, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

If you search the Internet with patience and a little creativity then you can probably find dozens or maybe hundreds of meanings on average for random combinations of three letters. Ten years ago I tried that for a four-letter acronym CPAP and got dozens at http://primerecords.dk/meaning.htm. The list could easily be expanded a lot today. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:34, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

What's the current stance on "...in Popular Culture" sections?

The title says it all. I've been more-or-less inactive for a long long time and back when I left this was in dispute. Horselover Frost (talk · edits) 21:23, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

WP:IPC the same as any other, third party sources establish that content is worthy of coverage and is not original research. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 23:26, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

My wikipage

Sorry to bother you.

My name is Anton Tagliaferro ,I am the founder and Investment Director of Investors Mutual a funds management company I set up in Sydney which manages over $ 5 billion .

My wikipage disappeared many months ago and I wonder what the issues are in terms of republishing on Wikipedia again please ?

Please let me know when you have a chance and email me on (Redacted)

Many thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.136.109.128 (talk) 22:32, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

the first thing is that it is not your page, it is an encyclopedia article.

In order to qualify for a stand alone article, the subject must meet basic criteria - that reliable sources, not related to the topic, have found the subject worthy of discussing. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 23:30, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

see also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anton Tagliaferro and the pages linked from there. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 23:32, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

(edit conflict): Hello, Anton. I can't find a record of a page called "Investors Mutual" having been deleted, so I can't directly tell you why it was deleted. But I can make a guess. If you were under the misapprehension that it was "your" page, it is quite likely that it was deleted for being too promotional, or for not establishing that the company was notable (in Wikipedia's special sense of the word). Wikipedia has pages about notable subjects - including people and companies. The subject of an article has no control whatever over the article, and indeed is strongly discouraged from editing it, because their conflict of interest is likely to make it difficult for them to write in a suitably neutral manner.

If you want to pursue this, I suggest that you

• Read the page conflict of interest
• Read WP:CORP to find out just what the criteria are to have an article about a corporation.
• Go looking for reliable published sources, independent of your company which have written at length about your company.
• If you find such sources, post a request, with reference to the sources, on requested articles and wait for somebody else to decide to write the article.
• If you cannot find such sources, go and do something else, because at present no article on your company will be accepted no matter how it is written.

Sorry if this is not what you were hoping to hear. --ColinFine (talk) 23:38, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

October 2

Adding a link to a user's block log

MediaWiki:Sp-contributions-blocked-notice currently mentions a user's block log, but it has no links; I thought it would be convenient to add a link that would go to the userinquestion's block log, but I can't figure out how to do it. If you go to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nyttend?uselang=qqx, you'll see a link to Mediawiki:sp-contributions-blocklog in the spot where the minilink (at the top of the page) to my block log is located, but I can't figure out how to use this page to put a userinquestion's block log link into Sp-contributions-blocked-notice. Is there some way to produce such a link, so that the link will go to the user's full block log, rather than the blocker's block log? I tried using {{REVISIONUSER}}, but that doesn't detect anything at all when you're looking at the blocked user's contributions (it just goes to [3], with no username specified), and I can't think of anything else. Nyttend (talk) 00:36, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

This description isn't particularly clear. Here's what I mean — if you go to Special:Contributions/Truth is the only religion, the "This account is currently blocked..." line should have a link to https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/block&page=User%3ATruth+is+the+only+religion, and if you go to Special:Contributions/WoW, it should have a link to https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/block&page=User%3AWoW, but I can't figure out how to have the software figure out the username that should be linked. Nyttend (talk) 00:39, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Done.[4] Note that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Truth_is_the_only_religion?uselang=qqx displays "(sp-contributions-blocked-notice: Truth is the only religion)". That means Mediawiki:sp-contributions-blocked-notice is used with $1 = Truth is the only religion, i.e. the username, so my edit gets the username as $1. Other details: plainlinks is to avoid the external link icon. fullurl is to make it more stable so it works if the url format changes (it also means it can be copied to other wikis without modification). urlencode is needed for usernames with spaces or special characters. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:15, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for the hhelp! Nyttend (talk) 13:55, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Federal Information Security Management Act of 2002

Dear sir/ma'am,

The content available on "Federal Information Security Management Act of 2002" web page contains the following errors: Purpose of the act[edit] FISMA assigns specific responsibilities to federal agencies, the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) and the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) in order to strengthen information system security. In particular, FISMA requires the head of each agency to implement policies and procedures to cost-effectively reduce information technology security risks to an acceptable level.[2] It should be "Information security systems" Kindly do the needful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.112.131.58 (talk) 02:46, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Its a Wiki - YOU can be the hero that fixes it! -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 03:18, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

 Done Maproom (talk) 12:57, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

how to add information

Hello! this is rohith kumar .i would like to add up a little information to the article 'Earthquake'. but i do not understand how to edit it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rohithklv (talk • contribs) 06:03, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Hey there @Rohithklv: If you head over to the Earthquake article, you'll notice a little lock symbol at the upper-right corner of the page. Clicking it will take you to WP:SEMI, which explains what's going on. To put it simply, the article has been protected to prevent editing by unregistered and brand new users due to high levels of vandalism to the page. You account will need to be autoconfirmed in order to edit it, which will happen automatically once your account is four days old and you've made ten edits to Wikipedia.

Now, you don't necessarily have to wait for the ability to edit the article. You can head over to the article's talk page (Talk:Earthquake) and submit a request for another editor to edit the page for you. You can create a new section at the bottom of the talk page, specify what, exactly, you wish to change in the article, and then add {{edit protected}} to your message to alert other editors that you've made a request. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 06:15, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

How to hide user page or else edit its name

Dear Sir/Madam,

While creating a user account on wikipedia by mistake i used my particular comapany mail id and while following the instructions to get started with wikipedia i ended up creating my company user page which is causing me lots of trouble now.

As i am aware about that you can delete wikipedia user page. But it will be a great help if anyone can guide me regarding how to hide this particular user page or else edit its name.

Thanks You. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.200.117.160 (talk) 06:08, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Already dealt with via OTRS. Yunshui ^雲_水 11:15, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Why is HHVM stalking my edits

I recently noticed all of my edits as displayed on article page histories and on my overall user contributions are appended with (Tag: HHVM). But it seems unique to me only, not to other editors that are editing the same articles as me or anything. What does this mean and why is it being added to the end of each of my edits? It appears to be linked so I clicked it and it took me to a page on the main MediaWiki site which explains the acronym HHVM but it doesn't explain why I'm being tagged with it.

In case maybe it's one of those things that only shows up when I see it here's a screenshot: http://tinypic.com/r/1tu29u/8

David Condrey (talk) 06:59, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

I am being stalked as well. And it is because I enabled the feature. If you click on the blue linked HVVM you will see that is a beta of a speed enhancement. You can disable it at Preferences → Beta features → Faster servers with HHVM. --  Gadget850 ^talk 07:21, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! Havin' paparazzi is cool David Condrey (talk) 07:47, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Application layer protocol article-With reference to september 28 query

Thanks Rwessel for pointing it out. But I believe DHCP snooping is not a application layer protocol, and it should not be listed under Application layer protocol. The same can be seen in the explanation - DHCP snooping. Previous Query:

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Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2014 September 28#Application layer protocol article (Category:Application layer protocols) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simpletry (talk • contribs) 10:46, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

If you are suggesting that Category:Application layer protocols ought not to appear at DHCP snooping, that would be an appropriate topic for you to raise at Talk:DHCP snooping (giving WP:reliable sources to justify your views). --David Biddulph (talk) 11:03, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

financial help

do you help people with financial constraints — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.134.39.49 (talk) 10:59, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

No. Wikipedia is a nonprofit charitable organisation with a very specific goal, which is to develop and maintain online free, open content encyclopedias, collections of quotations, textbooks and other collections of documents, information, and other informational databases in all the languages of the world that will be distributed free of charge to the public. As a nonprofit organisation incorporated in Florida, United States, local and national laws prohibit Wikipedia from using its funds for anything but this purpose. Yunshui ^雲_水 11:12, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Copyvio? More than Paris seems to have been "liberated".

There are significant chunks of text that are pretty much word-for-word the same in Liberation of Paris and this copyrighted article - for example the 3rd and 4th paragraphs of the Events timeline section. The historynet article is dated September 2000, which precedes the inclusion of those two paragraphs (and who knows what else). I don't have the time right now to go through it all. Could somebody lend a hand? Clarityfiend (talk) 11:08, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

That article has 79 watchers, so you might have better luck getting help from among those people, on the article's talk page. By watching the page they have shown a specific interest in the article. But you've been around since 2006 and have over 100,000 edits, so you already knew that. ‑‑Mandruss (talk) 05:36, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

You can ask either Diannaa or Moonriddengirl who are admins and copyvio experts. In the meantime please feel free to delete the copyvio text. Δρ.Κ. ^{λόγοςπράξις} 05:49, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

@Clarityfiend: I deleted the whole section. It was entirely plagiarised and unsalvageable. I did not detect any other copyvios yet. Δρ.Κ. ^{λόγοςπράξις} 06:09, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

It appears I was out of line and I apologize to Clarityfiend. ‑‑Mandruss (talk) 06:21, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

No problem Mandruss. The processes related to copyvio suppression are not widely known and your initial reaction was understandable. Δρ.Κ. ^{λόγοςπράξις} 06:31, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, Dr.K. It was well past my usual bedtime, or I'd have done it myself. Clarityfiend (talk) 08:53, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Don't mention it Clarityfiend. It was my pleasure. Thank you for pointing this out. Best regards. Δρ.Κ. ^{λόγοςπράξις} 09:08, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

I have checked using a copyvio detection tool and removed some material copied from http://www.historynet.com/world-war-ii-the-liberation-of-paris.htm, which pre-dates our article's creation by four years. I think that's got it all. Thanks to all who helped clean this up. -- Diannaa (talk) 14:41, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

@Diannaa: Thank you very much Dianna for taking the time for the final cleanup and for the copyvio detector link. Take care. Δρ.Κ. ^{λόγοςπράξις} 15:28, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

BIRTH AND MARRIAGE CERTIFICATES

I HAVE TO GET A COPY OF BOTH CERTIFICATES FOR MY MOTHER AND FATHER ,IS THERE ANY POSSIBILITY YOU COULD ASSIST ME WITH MY SEARCH. AT THE AGE OF 9 MY FATHER TOOK ME AND ALL THE FAMILY TO LIVE IN CANADA BECAUSE HE WANTED WORK. I HAVE ALWAYS CONSIDERED MYSELF DANISH NOT CANADIAN IF YOU CAN HELP I WOULD BE SO GRATEFUL BECAUSE THE EMBASSY WANTS THEM IN THREE WEEKS TO BECOME A DANISH CITIZEN OF THE COUNTRY I LOVE AND LONG TO RETURN TO . THEY REQUEST I NEED THE CERTIFICATES FOR MY DECEASED PARENTS. I WAS BORN IN AARHUS AND LOVE THE CITY AND SO WISH TO RETURN. CAN YOU HELP ME TO FIND OUT WHERE I APPLY IN AARUS TO GET THEM. THANK YOU IN ADVANCE.BECAUSE I HAVE LITTLE TIME LEFT TO GET THEM REGARDS LEIF ALEX JENSEN — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.190.172.135 (talk) 11:43, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6.9 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck.

(in addition, please do not use ALLCAPS. in online discussion forums doing so is generally considered SHOUTING and is not polite.) -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 11:52, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Inserting Photograph in Wiki Page

I have made a page and uploaded the photograph for that page. I inserted that link into the Wiki page but photograph does not show up, only the link address. I'm baffled on how to get that image to show up on the page like all the others on Wiki.

Also, it shows as a "Draft" - wondering how, once it's how I want it, to go live - publish it. I see no button for that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Deanna Adams (talk • contribs) 11:49, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Here are some of the image help links Wikipedia:Images#Tutorials_and_help. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 12:09, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

with regards to moving from draft space, I added the submission template. just click the green button when you are ready. however, the article appears far from ready. it reads like a promotional personal web page with such wonderfully non encyclopedic phrases as " Ohio provided an ideal location " "she was already snapping away at rockers. " "rock luminaries. " In addition it will need footnotes or citations to reliably published sources that establish that the subject meets the basic criteria for a stand alone article. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 12:28, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

References pasted into talk page encroaching on the next message

I added a new section on the following page, and found the links pasted into the prior section are appended to the bottom of my comment. Here is the page:

Talk:Gamma ray

What do I need to do to correct the problem in the future. I have seen this before but cannot figure out what is wrong. Zedshort (talk) 14:51, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi Zedshort, on a talkpage there is no need for a header for the references and adding one will only cause the button "add a new section" to add a new section into the references section. So I have removed the header for the references and that should fix it. See the history of the talkpage to see what I did. All the best, Taketa (talk) 15:01, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Template:Agrl are a new feature that automatically creates a reference list at the bottom of any page that has <ref> tags without reference list markup. On talk pages you can add {{reflist-talk}} at the end of a discussion to properly place the reference list. For more issues see the Template:Agrl help page. --  Gadget850 ^talk 15:15, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

No, @Taketa:, your edit didn't solve the problem, as it still left the references in a section to which they are unrelated. As Gadget850 pointed out, it can be solved by putting {{reflist-talk}} in the relevant sections, & I have done that for the two sections involved. As others have pointed out, the Template:Agrl feature should not be applied to talk pages. Sadly the bug report pointing out the problem was closed without being resolved. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:33, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Good to see a better solution. David, I see no problem with references on the bottom of a talk page, since refs are always on the bottom and contain links that point the reader to them and back to the relevant section. But ofcourse the reflist-talk is better (seems a very long name for a highly used template). - Taketa (talk) 15:44, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

It would probably be tolerable to have Template:Agrl at the foot of a talk page if it automatically generated a "References" section heading to go with it, but unfortunately the automation does only half of the job. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:14, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

You would have to get consensus on the section title; see MOS:LAYOUT. But it could and should be added a a MediaWiki interface page since it would need to be translated for all the language Wikipedia variangs and there it could be customized. I reopened Template:Bug. --  Gadget850 ^talk 18:18, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

editing article title ...please!

Hi please I just my company page article on wikipedia and on the tilttle somehow I dont know what I made wrong ........... but the tittle should be "KPOP NONSTOP" only and not "DRAFT:KPOP NONSTOP" please what should I do ? I also want to add a picture but I dont know how to do it ... everything i tried to ad a picture I just get a text on the field for typing :( I am sorry Im very ignorant with how to use wikipedia please help thanks :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tatana18 (talk • contribs) 16:48, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

The page can be moved by those who are autoconfirmed or a move can be requested.

However, the page in its current form would be rapidly deleted for not meeting the criteria for a page. Please read WP:NCORP for the rules on what makes a company notable (largely *other* people writing about it) and WP:COI for information on how an article should be created where you have a conflict of interest. Naraht (talk) 16:56, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Tatana18, you seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding as to the purpose of Wikipedia - this is an encyclopaedia, not a platform for advertising, and your draft isn't remotely acceptable as content. Furthermore, creation and editing of content concerning a company with which you are involved is a violation of Wikipedia:Conflict of interest guidelines, and accordingly you shouldn't be creating such a draft at all. If the company concerned meets the relevant notability criteria, as demonstrated through significant coverage in third-party published reliable sources, it is possible that an article could be created - you could ask at Wikipedia:Requested articles for an uninvolved contributor to do so. AndyTheGrump (talk) 16:57, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Draft has been speedily deleted as over promotional.--ukexpat (talk) 18:05, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

How do I create a page for a well known environmentalist not on Wikipedia?

How do I create a page for a well known environmentalist not on Wikipedia? Thank You — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mccaberest (talk • contribs) 20:44, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi Mccaberest, you can find information at Wikipedia:Starting an article. - Sincerely, Taketa (talk) 21:50, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Matthew Frost

Hi,

I just created an article on Matt frost, but apparently you reduced half of my artivcle because you think this is for advertising and promotional purposes. All my linked work sections have been removed...

Can you help me on that please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Calambert2014 (talk • contribs) 21:32, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi Calambert2014, only the most important external links are allowed, and no external links in the main text. The person removing links from the article is following the guidelines on how to write a good article. See WP:EL for information on how to use external links. -- Sincerely, Taketa (talk) 21:41, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

And see referencing for beginners and reliable sources for additional guidance on referencing.--ukexpat (talk) 13:16, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Editing request

Could you please include the following images within the article of Greene's Tutorial College Oxford? There's an picture of the school building and another of the college's emblem: https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-rxH8Fm887kg/ULRfrv78v4I/AAAAAAApzTE/G0hkG8P9O6M/w704-h528-no/Greene%60s%2BTutorial%2BCollege https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/267957_235460159806031_8057332_n.jpg?oh=45093a7d8066cc3544680a6011d375e1&oe=54BDD720&__gda__=1422305512_ae73dcd5b8ce5c0fcdc203e7b01d271b — Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.201.217.49 (talk) 22:23, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

I'm afraid not, at least for the first one. The only way to display images in Wikipedia is to upload them either (preferably) to Wikimedia Commons, or to Wikipedia itself. Images may be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons only if they are freely reusable by anybody for any purpose, which means either that they are in the public domain (either because they are very old or because the copyright holder has explicitly relinquished all rights to them) or that the copyright holder has explicitly licensed them under a licence such as CC-BY-SA which allows anybody to use them for any purpose. An image is always assumed to be copyright unless there is an unimpeachable reason for believing otherwise, so the photo may not be used.

There is a limited possibility of uploading copyright images to Wikipedia and using them in articles, as long as all the criteria in WP:Non-free content criteria are complied with. One of these is that there is no reasonable possibility of obtaining a free image that will do as well - since anybody could go to Oxford and take their own picture and then licence it, there is no way the photo of the college that you have found on Google can ever be used. On the other hand, it is possible that the emblem could be used under the NFCC, because a free version is unlikely ever to be available, and many logos and badges are in fact used in this way. See WP:LOGO. --ColinFine (talk) 22:49, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

I misspelled a photographer's name for photos I uploaded to Commons - can I edit it?

I can't figure out if there's a way to edit this, or where I can ask.

I misspelled her name here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Star's_Third_(concert_series)#mediaviewer/File:GroupShotBSTLosAngeles.jpg and here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Star's_Third_(concert_series)#mediaviewer/File:JodyStephensBigStarThird.jpg

The photographer is Patricia Rainer, not Patricia Ranier. Can it be corrected? Thanks! Julie JSFarman (talk) 22:40, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Yes. You can click through from the page you linked to, to commons:File:GroupShotBSTLosAngeles.jpg, and edit it there. --ColinFine (talk) 22:54, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! Julie JSFarman (talk) 07:00, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

No Devotion Band

Hello,

You have the band listed as "Welsh-American band" but it should say British-American as there are 4 gentlemen from Wales (Lee Gaze, Jamie Oliver, Stuart Richardson & Mike Lewis) the American is Geoff Rickly but the drummer, Luke Johnson is from Ridditch, Birmingham, England which makes him English. The appropriate way to lump the five of the gentlemen together is to call them British.

There is an article posted by Modern Drummer published on July 6, 2012 which he says where he's from. It's in the 7th paragraph & the article can be found at http://www.moderndrummer.com/site/2012/07/luke-johnson-lostprophets-blog/#.VC3f2vldW4g

The bands Wikipedia page is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Devotion

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Echelon Donates (talk • contribs) 23:49, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi Echelon Donates, you can post this comment on the articles talk page. Also you are allowed to change the info in the article yourselve, simply click on the edit button on the top of the article. Sincerely, Taketa (talk) 00:03, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Thank you Taketa but you can see I'm not comfortable with HTML coding so I do not feel comfortable making the edit myself. - Echelon Donates — Preceding unsigned comment added by Echelon Donates (talk • contribs) 12:50, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

October 3

Assistance in page

Hello, I would like to know how to go about changing the wiki page from user: Earnest Diaz to a regular titled page Earnest Diaz

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Earnest_Diaz

Earnest Diaz 01:42, 3 October 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Earnest Diaz (talk • contribs)

You have a few things wrong, and we will start with the big one Wikipedia is not a resume posting service. And so your content is not appropriate anywhere on Wikipedia and it has been blanked.

On to your points more directly, the page you created is your user page where you can post a little something about yourself, primarily as it relates to your editing on Wikipedia.

In order to become part of the actual encyclopedia, the subject must have been the subject of discussion by those not closely affiliated with the subject.

If you are Earnest Diaz, you have a conflict of interest and should not create a Earnest Diaz page nor edit content about yourself. If you are not Earnest Diaz, you should change your user name so it does not appear you are impersonating him.-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 02:04, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Problem with Arabic script templates

I have noticed that at times that templates that use Arabic script which involves the script going from right to left will effectively capture text that is outside the double brackets marking the end of the template eg ([[Kurdish language|Kurdish:عمر سهروردى]]c.1144-1234). (This piece of code comes from the article Abu Hafs Umar al-Suhrawardi. Despite my best efforts I can't seem to cleanly get the template to stop capturing the birth and death dates that follow. So I had to artificially put in the c. to try and physically separate the dates from the text template. I can't believe I am the only one facing this problem and hopefully it is already addressed somewhere, but I couldn't find it. Thanks --Chewings72 (talk) 07:52, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

There is no problem with Arabic here. [[Apple]]s renders as Apples, and [[Apples]] as Apples. Note that both the links render the same, though the first link takes you to "Apple" while the second to "Apples". It helps when you want to use plural words. Rather than typing [[Apple|Apples]] simply type [[Apple]]s. So, you should put a space between the link and "c." to get it right. If you want no space and no eating up of the word by the link, use a zero-width space, U+200B ZERO WIDTH SPACE (&NegativeMediumSpace;, &NegativeThickSpace;, &NegativeThinSpace;, &NegativeVeryThinSpace;, &ZeroWidthSpace;). --Fauzan^{✆ talk}_{✉ mail} 09:17, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, I will give the zero-width space a try.--Chewings72 (talk) 09:43, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Fauzan Did as you suggested, but no luck. Same problem occurred. Try and add {{Unichar|200B|ZERO WIDTH SPACE|html=8203}} straight after ([[Kurdish language|Kurdish:عمر سهروردى]] at the start of the article called Abu Hafs Umar al-Suhrawardi. Unless I am doing something crazy, you should find that the text editor will move parts of the no space code in with Kurdish text.--Chewings72 (talk) 10:35, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Instead of linking in that manner, use one of the {{lang}} templates; for Kurdish use {{lang-ku}}. Am I correct in that this is a right-to-left writing system? If so, I need to make a change to {{lang-ku}} to preserve the directionality. I will also discuss adding text-direction isolation to the {{lang}} template directly. --  Gadget850 ^talk 12:31, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Chewings72, it will render properly even if it looks mixed up in the edit window. Just make sure the cursor is in the right place before you paste the HTML code. You can post in WP:VPT if you like, guys there know more about these things. Other than that, better use {{lang}} as suggested by Gadget850. --Fauzan^{✆ talk}_{✉ mail} 17:02, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Gadget850, yes it is right to left. --Fauzan^{✆ talk}_{✉ mail} 17:05, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

I was pretty sure it was RTL, but I have not found a good reference yet. So: I added {{lang-ku}} tot he article, then updated the template to remove italics as they are not appropriate for this writing system, then I enabled RTL mode. This should resolve the issue. There are a lot of specific variants of {{lang}} and not all are implemented correctly, so let us know if you see issues. --  Gadget850 ^talk 18:25, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Heading / Name change

The heading of the page '32 (Scottish) Signal Regiment' should be changed to '32 Signal Regiment'. We are no longer known as a Scottish Regiment. I have read through the processes for change, however, I cannot seem to find how to change this myself.

Your help is greatly appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cameraface (talk • contribs) 08:02, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Please have a look at the list of the other Wikipedia articles in Category:Regiments of the Royal Corps of Signals. Most of those other articles have some qualification like that (not simply "British") in their titles. What word(s) would you suggest instead of Scottish? If I can find some online support for your suggestion, I wouldn't personally see a problem with renaming it (which is called a "move" at Wikipedia), and I would be happy to do that. ‑‑Mandruss (talk) 08:18, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

@Cameraface: Ping might be helpful for the first-time Wikipedia user, unless they left a trail of breadcrumbs. Cameraface, you can reply by clicking the [edit] link beside the heading above. ‑‑Mandruss (talk) 15:04, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Contacting Administrator

Good Morning, I have tried to create a page, and was told that it can only be created by administrators. When I followed the link, the administrator said that he/she is on a long breal from wikipedia and that other administrators can review his past articles. Since I am very new to Wikipedia, please help me with who should I contact to get that page created (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?action=edit&preload=Template%3AUnreviewed-preload&editintro=Template%3AUnreviewed-editintro&summary=&nosummary=&prefix=&minor=&title=Daniel+Kanu&create=Create+a+new+article+directly)

Thank You Ljiljana K — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ljiljana K (talk • contribs) 09:09, 3 October 2014‎ (UTC)

You have a draft at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Daniel Kanu. You deleted the tag which gave you a "Resubmit" button to allow you to submit the revised draft for review after the previous version had been declined. I have reinstated the tag for you. I suggest that before you resubmit you read WP:Referencing for beginners, and make sure that each reference is placed with the specific text which it is being used to support.

You have also generated Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Daniel Kanu, which is not the correct location for a draft and is presumably a duplicate, so I suggest that you request its deletion by adding {{db-g7}} to the top of the page. Draft:Daniel Kanu is presumably another duplicate, but you can't request deletion of that because other authors have contributed. Hopefully someone will tidy things up when the draft is submitted for review. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:50, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

The draft is now at Draft:Daniel Kanu and the other draft pages have been deleted accordingly.--ukexpat (talk) 13:22, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

I would like to delete my account and every articles inside of it...

Hi there. I was creating a webpage on wiki and wanted to give up. How can I delete the account and everything it provides...?

I searched through google and wiki but it all says I am not able to delete it that I am not "admin" of wiki...

I need help could you please ?

Sincerely, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aaron Sam Peterson (talk • contribs) 09:51, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

All of your contributions (except for your post here) have already been deleted in accordance with speedy deletion criterion G7, because you requested their deletion. No one can "delete" Wikipedia accounts, however. If you want to stop contributing to Wikipedia, just do so. Deor (talk) 10:34, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

It is not possible to delete user accounts, as all contributions must be assigned to some identifier; either a username or an IP address.

All Wikipedia editors have the right to leave Wikipedia for good (ie, permanently). The usual way to leave the Wikipedia project is simply to stop editing. Your contributions remain in Wikipedia. If you wish to resume editing at a later date, you can simply start again by logging into the same account. Old accounts that have any significant edits are almost never deleted or recycled to new users.

If you decide to make a fresh start and do not wish to be connected to a previous account, you can simply discontinue the old account(s) and create a new one that becomes the only account you use. Discontinuing the old account means it will not be used again; it should note on its user page that it is inactive— for example, with the {{retired}} tag —to prevent the switch being seen as an attempt to sock puppet.

Editors seeking privacy per their right to vanish can have their accounts renamed and their user pages and (in some cases) user talk pages deleted. --  Gadget850 ^talk 12:11, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

(Sorry for intruding, but I need to ask this question) "Almost never deleted"? Does that mean that some are, Gadget850? Tharthandorf Aquanashi (talk) 22:19, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Need to move page, but can't...

Hi, I am trying to change the name of this school *St George's School: A Church of England Academy

The page title needs to become "St George's School: A Church of England Academy". I've looked all over but just can't find a way of doing it, any help would be much appreciated!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr-kennedy (talk • contribs) 10:42, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

@User:Mr-kennedy Follow the procedure described at Wikipedia:Requested_moves#Requesting_a_single_page_move. If you have further questions, I am here to answer. Bagnume (talk) 11:36, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Hello, Mr-kennedy. I have moved it, but not to the name you suggested: following WP:COMMONNAME I have moved it to St. George's School, Blackpool.

The reason you could not find the 'move' button was that your account is not yet "autoconfirmed": to deter page-move vandalism, an account needs to be more than four days old (yours is!) and have made at least 10 edits (you have made 8, including this one).

If you have an interest in the page, can I implore you to turn the page from a useless collection of information of completely unknown validity into a useful article, by finding and citing reliable sources for the information in the article? See referencing for beginners for how to go about that. --ColinFine (talk) 11:44, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

 Done

Jorge Grant

Hi I have just read an article about Jorge Grant professional football player for Nottingham forest, it states that he is 20 years of age.

However this is not the case, he is still 19 and will not be 20 until December. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.134.239.154 (talk) 11:45, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

The birth date of September (not December) comes from Soccerbase; if you have evidence that this is wrong, please let us have a reference to a reliable source. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:55, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

How can I check on a user's block/ban history?

Is there any way I can do this? --P123ct1 (talk) 13:35, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi P123ct1, see Special:Log/block - Sincerely, Taketa (talk) 13:44, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

(edit conflict) For blocks, if you go to the user's contribution page, one of the links at the top is the block log. For bans, until yesterday you could have looked at Wikipedia:List of banned users, but it was deleted last night after this discussion. There is still Category:Banned Wikipedia users. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:45, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

For limited bans/interaction bans/topic bans and other editing restrictions, there is also Wikipedia:Editing restrictions. --Jayron32 14:53, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks to all! --P123ct1 (talk) 15:53, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Creating new page for something which has a page but is redirected to a different page.

Hi,

I'm trying to create a page/article for the disease myalgic Encephalomyelitis , but when I check ed too see if it already exists I am directed to the chronic fatigue syndrome page.

Any ME page would have many links to the CFS page, but as there are now differential diagnostic criterias for both illnesses I believe they should have separate pages.

Otherwise everyone who googles ME gets sent to CFS , which causes bad patient outcomes in hospital settings .

How can I 'undo the page redirection and create a new one?

Ps I'm new at this and was hoping to do a draft page slowly,

Best regards

Littlefish123 (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2014 (UTC)Littlefish123Littlefish123 (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi Littlefish123, when you are send to the redirected page the redirects name is shown under the articles name at the top of the article. Click it to go to the redirect and once there you can edit the page. Be very carefull with medical topics, and make sure you consider a global view. All the best, Taketa (talk) 17:41, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

But you might want to consider starting with creating the page Draft: Myalgic encephalomyelitis first. Just click on the redlink here, then start to edit. --Orange Mike | Talk 17:52, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

References

Adding a picture in a table with background color?

Hey, I have the page WWII Puppet States, and I have a table with most of (hopefully) the puppet states in WWII. In this page, there is a table. Some of the info in this table have background colors, using the tool bgcolor=, and then a color, like lightgreen. I'm trying to add a column to the table with flags, however, on the corresponding row, the background color goes over the image. You can still mouse over and click the link of the picture, but you can't actually see it. Thanks for any help. Cnd474747 (talk) 19:56, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

North Shields FC Wikipedia Page

I have to say that I am absolutely disgusted at the fact someone was allowed to delete the historical statistics from the above page. Its OK for other clubs at our level to have them on but not us. I spent days compiling them and now they are gone stating wiki is not for meaningless statisitcs. I find the Manchester United football club statistics meaningless, but I bet I'm not allowed to delete them.

Being a member of the North Shields FC committee I am frankly astonished that Wikipedia wouldn't be more supportive of growing football clubs like ours trying to get more information about our history out into the public domain.

I can understand possibly removing the league records going back to the early 1900's but to removed club honours which are important facts about any club, not statistics, I feel is out of order. I am more than happy to clean up the page with any required references as was helpfully suggested in specific cases by other admins. Madworld1979 (talk) 21:02, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Hello, Madworld1979. Please calm down. Nothing has been lost: except in very rare circumstances (where something was a copyright infringement, or a libel) everything that has ever been in a Wikipedia article is still there in its history, and can easily be retrieved.

There isn't a "Wikipedia" that "allows" you to do things: there are thousands and thousands of editors like you and me, and sometimes they don't agree about what should go into an article: this is healthy, and Wikipedia has ways of helping editors to reach agreement if they are having difficulty.

In the case of North Shields FC, I don't know quite which edits you are talking about. But the way to proceed is to look at the page's history and see which editor removed the material that you think should be there, and start a discussion about it with them either on the article's talk page, or on their user talk page, and try to reach agreement. They are not right and you wrong: neither are you right and they wrong. You are just two people who at present have different ideas about how to make that article better. The fact that information of similar type is in other articles has no bearing on the matter: with four million articles, there are plenty that are not as good as we would like. It may be that it would be appropriate to delete the comparable information about ManU, I don't know. You are not "forbidden" to do so - but somebody else may disagree if you do. On the other hand, maybe the person who removed the information from North Shields would agree that it should go from ManU too.

You should also read about Wikipedia's policy on conflict of interest: as a member of the committee, you are actually discouraged (not forbidden, but discouraged) from editing that article.

Oh, and Wikipedia's sole purpose is to be an encyclopaedia: a neutral summary of information published elsewhere about notable subjects. it is no part of its mission to be supportive of any person, organisation or product, no matter how worthy. And it is very explicitly not part of its purpose to help anybody get information about themselves "out into the public domain": that is called "promotion", and is roundly forbidden. --ColinFine (talk) 22:28, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

First DYK nomination

Can someone please help me with this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Lia_Olgu%C8%9Ba_Vasilescu ? Bagnume (talk) 22:19, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Show improved diff view not working

Hi, the "show improved diff view" green triangle button is not working for Safari on Windows 7. This seems to happen whenever there's some sort of update. Can someone fix it? Thanks. μηδείς (talk) 22:21, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

References and reliable sources

I keep getting the error message on my Quincy Brown wiki page that I don't have any references or sources when I do. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brittlovesquincy (talk • contribs) 23:07, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

@Brittlovesquincy: Hello and welcome to Wikipedia. The "error" you are describing is a tag that the user Fram placed on the page (you can see the change here). If you believe that the issue has been fixed than you should discuss it on the user's talk page that placed the tag or remove it if you are absolutely sure that there is no need for it anymore. Thanks, -24^Talk 23:18, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Hello, Brittlovesquincy. It may not be strictly true that the article has no references, but it is effectively true, because none of the links in your "References" section is satisfactory. Every piece of information in an article (and especially an article about a living person) must be referenced to a reliable published source, and in most cases to one that is unconnected with the subject. You have three external links, not attached to any information in the article; one is to a video, which is a primary source, and so is of limited use in supporting an article; the second is to IMDB, which is not regarded as a reliable source (because anybody may edit some of the information). The third is to an announcement by the subject. Please read referencing for beginners, and find places where people unconnected with Brown have written at length about him, and published this in reliable places such as major newspapers. If you cannot find such sources, then he does not meet the criteria of notability, and it is not possible at present to write an acceptable Wikipedia article about him. --ColinFine (talk) 23:36, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Editing

After Signing Up For A Wikipedia Account Earlier This Year, I Was Browsing The Settings To Familiarise Myself With The Links And Ended Up With 4 Sandbox Edits Under The 'My Contributions' Settings ' The First Of Which Is Dated The Day I Registered - March 8 2014. For Some Reason I Thought I May Have Deleted Something On Wiki In Error But I Know This Is Not The Case As I Have No Thesis Or Notes Edited By Me On Wiki. However I Have Been Trying To Delete These Edits Without Success. Can You Tell Me How To Go About Deleting These? Many Thanks Susan