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Roy King (1894–1941)

> "making him the fourth highest-scoring Australian ace of the war, and second only to Harry Cobby in the AFC"

Is this an error, a too-clever hook, or just plain confusing. In any case, it is irritatingly difficult to parse. How can the fourth highest be second. Even if first second and third are tied, fourth is still fourth. What is so special about "Harry Corby in the AFC"? --SmokeyJoe (talk) 00:37, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe 2nd and 3rd were other Australian "aces" who weren't in the AFC. HiLo48 (talk) 01:15, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Would this be acceptable wording? The current one may be a bit confusing at first glance.
"He was credited with twenty-six victories in aerial combat, making him the second most successful ace in the AFC after Harry Cobby, and fourth highest-scoring Australian of the war."-RHM22 (talk) 01:43, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I made the change suggested above. I think it should be fine, but please let me know if I've made any mistakes regarding Australian English usage or some such.-RHM22 (talk) 03:58, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, according to our list of Australian WWI air aces, the top two both flew for the (British) Royal Naval Air Service. Cobby and King were 3rd and 4th and flew for the AFC. I think the new blurb is clearer, but perhaps highest-scoring Australian ace could link to List_of_World_War_I_aces_from_Australia?ReadingOldBoy (talk) 11:45, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The fundraiser banner

... takes up too much screen space (and should not persist for more than a page or two).

Perhaps there could be a discussion on creative (but legal) methods of getting funding? 108.171.128.162 (talk) 15:22, 4 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Which one? --Chamith (talk)
Isn't there a small 'x' in the corner which can be clicked to remove the banner?-RHM22 (talk) 19:58, 4 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

(laugh) I still wonder if Wikipedia will ever bite the bullet and treat its programmers no differently from its editors. As it stands, the net effect is to place monetary value upon some skills and devalue others -- which are no less valuable and essential to Wikipedia's continued thriving, save only in (apparently) salary terms. - Tenebris 198.91.170.20 (talk) 03:09, 5 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The constant fundraiser solicitation is annoying. Wikipedia states they "..would never run ads..and want to keep Wikipedia ad-free for another year", but that is worse than an ad. it may not be from an external source, but it is just as spammy. Please get rid of that pseudo-ad and truly make Wikipedia "ad-free".

Wikipedia needs to make money somehow. It takes a lot of money to run such a big website. If you don't like it, too bad, it's what keeps wikipedia from becoming a paid service. Weegeerunner (talk) 21:13, 5 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Most of us 'contribute our services.'

To the person before the (laugh) - there is no formal 'organisation' - and the contributors are those of us who are prepared to spend even a little time correcting something or more time improving articles.

Given the numbers of wikis across the internet (personal and professional) and run by institutions there should be a market in 'How to Wiki' books and courses (which would meet the creative requirement) and generate some funding. Who are the proverbial someones' willing to take such activities on for WP? Jackiespeel (talk) 13:40, 5 December 2014 (UTC) (adding to my previous comment)[reply]

If one is not logged in the 'fundraiser banner' takes up half the screen. Jackiespeel (talk) 16:12, 5 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The Wikimedia Foundation needs to pay for their equipment and to pay maintenance for it. Ads would give the appearance of favoritism towards the people who paid for the ads. Instead, Wikipedia solicits anonymous donations so as to avoid "pay-for-play" accusations of bias. If this bothers you, you're allowed to fund the entire budget by yourself right now via anonymous, no-strings-attached donation, and WMF can cut back on its fundraising. --Jayron32 17:48, 5 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Register an account and you don't see the ad. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 20:38, 5 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Library users, those 'passing through', sign-in time-outs etc see it.

Books/ebooks, 'buy your own computer-sized wiki program' and similar might fund part of the Wikimedias foundation. Or we each and all buy a scratchcard/lottery ticket on behalf of WM - thus winning some of the larger prizes (the numbers add up). Jackiespeel (talk) 22:42, 5 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The books would be 'How to wiki' and the 'wiki on your computer' would be just the program (rather than Wikipedia as such) so the user can develop their own interest. And, yes, I know such things are always more complicated to create than the person suggesting it thinks. Jackiespeel (talk) 11:36, 7 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know if that was a joke or what, but without cheating, you can't win on average with basically all forms of purely random chance based lotteries unless you are the one selling the lottery. The number of people you get participating doesn't matter. You might increase your chance of winning, but on average you'd still be far better getting these people to donate the money instead of buying lottery tickets. The only exception would be if it's too expensive to process these small donations. In that case you could I guess use the lottery as a simple method of pooling donations. But it's not likely to be very effective (particularly since for all the person plans to donate their winnings, anyone who does win biggish is probably only going to donate a small percentage) and there are surely better alternatives. Nil Einne (talk) 14:20, 7 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
(reset) Tongue in cheek - and taking 'the odds quoted on winning the lottery' and 'number of WP users.' Likewise 'investing in Premium Bonds, and backing horses and similar.

Any other ideas on funding WM and reducing the number of banners seen by IPs Jackiespeel (talk) 22:42, 7 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The banner looked better on the bottom...I think it was there originally. Eman235/talk 03:05, 8 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The banner gets more intrusive every year. Is the cost per impression getting higher, and if so why? Bigbluefish (talk) 20:44, 9 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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