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Hajudk Kula

Zdravo drzuze. Burka sta se uradilo Hajduku. Neki krive BG, ali to nema veze sa njima. Jednostavno su prodali lokalni tajkuni klub, pokrali ga kao i opstinu dok narod i dalje cuti. Hajduk nije ugasen, samo ce biit vracen u 3. ligu. Takodje sve mlade selekcije ostaju...A-tim c eigrati u 3.Ligi.....verovatno po modifikovanim imenom OFK Haduk Kula...ostaje isti klub, nije ugasen ako mozes da poravis. Bice to sve zvanicno u petak izgleda. Hvala.--Nado158 (talk) 10:52, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Pozdrav Nado, pogledacu to, ali ne brini se puno, izlazile su vesti kako se gasi i to pa masovno ljudi to dodaju,a kad bude zvanicna izjava iz kluba onda ce se tacno znati sve. FkpCascais (talk) 12:33, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

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Gragjanski Skopje

Can you please explain why the famous players section should stay. There is no source whatsoever for the first player yet assertions of notability and only a dead link for the second paragraph and no indication whatsoever that there are reliable sources confirming the team was strengthened. I have tagged these sections for a number of weeks and no editor has made any attempt to resolve or dispute any issue. You simply cannot pick and choose inclusion criteria or pick random players for comment. If reliable sources do not exist then an editor can't just make them up. I'm really not trying to start an edit war here but I just don't understand what bit of WP:V you think you are fulfilling by including these sections? Fenix down (talk) 14:39, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Simonovski is by far the most notable player that club had, that is well known fact in the region. He was the best Macedonian player at the time. But I already started searching for a source for it. About the second dead link, I´ll fix it, I´m not sure why is dead, but certainly the site exists and it is one of the most reliable ones for national teams and clubs players represented at time of their nt caps. FkpCascais (talk) 14:43, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

If that is the case then please, as has been requested many times in the main notable players discussion, provide reliable sources that indicate it like you did at FK Rad. For the second one as has been discussed at the main conversation the fact they have been capped is not a valid criteria and what I am questioning here is the POV comment that their appearance stregthened the team. Again, that comment in particular requires a reliable source. If these are provided then I have no problem with them remaining. Fenix down (talk) 16:29, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

The Simonovski section is still unreferenced despite your changes, what makes him a particularly notable coach? Also, the main history part of the article says the club folded in 1941, but that the other players mentioned were selected during WWII anf then the club was merged after the war. I thnk this bit is probably better moved into the history section and the potentially confusing wording removed. Whaty do you think? Fenix down (talk) 16:47, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

I am sorry, I am a bit on and off Wiki so I am not able to reply allways promtly. There are 2 facts about that club and those players:

1- When Bulgaria annexed the region of Macedonia during WWII (previously belonged to Yugoslavia, and returned after the war), Bulgaria included the club in their national competition, and the club even got to finish second played in Bulgarian league in one season. Bulgarians also included the best players of Gragjanski in their national team.

2- One on the players which was included was Kiril Simonovski (at time player, not coach) and he got renamed by Bulgarians as "Kiril Simeonov". He was already by then considered the most importnt player (that fact was mentioned in a Macedonian Football Association article on him which is found on his article but is now a deadlink, but I edited it and remember well). After the war, the region was restored to Yugoslavia, the club disbanded, and Simonovski moved to Partizan and became the first ethnic Macedonian to play for the Yugoslav national team. The other players that played for Bulgaria never got to play for Yugoslavia later, Simonovski was the exception.

But, OK, it can be added in the text, no problem with that. I´ll see some copies of the books I have about football from that period from the region and I´ll try to source as much as I can. Regarding the peakock word "strenghtened", I already removed it, and I agree with you. FkpCascais (talk) 18:18, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Spartak Subotica

Da li mozes da prebacis Spartak na novu stranicu, posto se klub vise ne zove Spartak Zlatibor Voda(sutnuli su ZV deo, fala bogu, konacno)

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Ne mogu jer je FK Spartak Subotica vec redirect, to moze samo amdinistrator da uradi, zamolicu na WP:FOOTY. FkpCascais (talk) 18:17, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

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Albanian media

Hi there. I know Albanian isn't one of the several languages that used to be named "serbo-croat", but I still thought I'd ask you for help. In the recent year, more or less every Norwegian footballer of Kosovo-Albanian descent (except for those who are already cap-tied for Norway, like Ardian Gashi and Valon Berisha) has "declared to Albanian media that they want to play for Albania". Examples are in Mërgim Hereqi, Flamur Kastrati and Zymer Bytyqi's articles, but I wonder how reliable this is. Except for Herolind Shala, which has already represented Albania, there has been no mention about this in Norwegian media. Given your experience with football in the Balkans, I was hoping that you could help me to find out how reliable this is, and if you are able to translate - is it the players that wants to represent Albania, or is it Albania that wants to recruit these players? Cheers, Mentoz86 (talk) 09:27, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi Mentoz, I´ll take a look at this today. I don´t speak Albanian at all, so I´ll have to rely on Google translation. FkpCascais (talk) 13:03, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Mërgim Hereqi said that in 2008, and Flamur Kastrati said it recently, this is the translation of one oof the links here, and Zymer Bytyqi said "Bytyqi: I give up on an invitation from Norway to Albania Team A". Those seem to be the most important Albanian sports media. Seems quite possible that those players play on both sides counting with both options, to play for Norway or for Albania, depending on the opportunities. The Albanian natinal team has been including numerous players of Albanian descent born abroad, and they seem to allways follow such players and ask them if they want to play for Albania. Those players probably say "yes" to the Albanian media, but skip mentioning it to the Norwegian one :D FkpCascais (talk) 13:35, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Sorry for the belated reply. Thanks for having a look at this. I guess I'd have to leave the text in the article, even though it hurts to see Norwegians stating they want to play for another nation than Norway. ;) Mentoz86 (talk) 10:04, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

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Hvala od srca

Hvala na medalji ili sta je vec haha,nastavicu da prosirujem moj gradski klub,tj.Slobodu.Sad cu skoro da zapocnem sezonu 2009-10 i unazad dok su jos bili u srpskoj ligi zapad..Pozdrav za tebe i jos jednom hvala na medalji..

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Albania national football team squad

gello, I think the best 23 mans squad, would be more better on wikipedia pages, cause current call-ups doesn.t make sense I think. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eni.Sukthi.Durres (talk • contribs) 16:05, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

Hvala!

Hvala za Barn-zvezdu! Sve najbolje, Zastavafan76 (talk) 21:16, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

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Cyrillic

Wow. How childish. --DemirBajraktarevic (talk) 21:50, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Traduções

Olá meu caro FKP, AL "por aqui",

mais um favorzinho com as traduções em sérvio, só te leva um minuto (e já é esticar muito!). No Javier Clemente, por favor dás uma olhadela nas referências #12 e #13? É só ver se a primeira tem a tradução correcta, e traduzir a segunda. Apenas e só.

Um muito obrigado de antemão, espero que tudo esteja bem com o meu caro. Abraços! --AL (talk) 02:33, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Ta tudo bem, espero que contigo também. Vou já ver isso. FkpCascais (talk) 02:38, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

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Still a problem

Acting as a proxy for a blocked editor is a bad. You should stop doing that. bobrayner (talk) 13:41, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Ћао

Изволи [1] 94.196.240.223 (talk) 00:45, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

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Greetings

Greetings,

I would like your opinion on this matter. BobRayner made three reverts in last 24 hours on same page http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=NATO_bombing_of_Yugoslavia&action=history. I would like to know if this is against the rules and if it is to who can we complain? Taataa 212.178.248.59 (talk) 18:35, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

I like the way Evlekis is pretending that he doesn't now if there is a WP:3RR or not. He's a funny guy! IJA (talk) 22:21, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Hello again, just wanted to tell you boobrayner is using sock excuse on this article, here is the history http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=NATO_bombing_of_Yugoslavia&action=history

PS Oh and IJA, you can use IP locator to see I am not Evlekis ;) Taataa 109.106.231.225 (talk) 00:07, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Ok, I like the way you pretended not to know about the WP:3RR. You blatantly do know about it. Anyway, whoever's sock you are, you'll get caught eventually. Regards IJA (talk) 21:55, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

To be honest, I misread WP:33R, thinking you can only make two not three edits within 24 hours. But, hey I am still learning :). Oh, once again I am not a sock, but who cares lol.....and thank you for the kind threats, it makes me feel welcomed to this place. TaaTaa 109.106.229.209 (talk) 09:03, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Reported . Cognoscerapo (talk) 09:52, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Reported. Goodbye to your editing. Cognoscerapo (talk) 15:46, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Wow, you really like to threat people, not just me, but established Users too like FkpCascais. That is not nice, polite or constructive. TaaTaa 109.106.229.209 (talk) 16:15, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

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Removing categories

Why? You ask., well, here is the answer why[2], [3]. It is because they rightfully belong to Category:Gjakova like Đakovica([4]). The rules are simple, when an edit is done by a sockpuppet, it must be removed even if it is constructive. And as you see, the article title+Cyrillic have been taken out of the Đakovica infobox to make it nice and neutral :) . 94.196.112.48 (talk) 18:55, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar!

		The Barnstar of Good Humor
		Gjakova refers to itself as Gjakova, not Đakovica, in English. Serbian is not English. English is English. It's quite simple. bobrayner (talk) 10:27, 23 December 2013 (UTC) The city speaks and refers to itself? FkpCascais (talk) 17:27, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

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Many thanks :) FkpCascais (talk) 04:59, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Thank you

for moderating a highly tedious discussion. Praxis Icosahedron ϡ (TALK) 21:36, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

I want also to thank you Praxis Icosahedron for the same reason. I was a bit hard on you at the begining of that discussion, and I appreciate a lot that we focused only on the content itself and that way we were able to conclude the discussion. I have to admit that the reason of the initial reaction of mine were your edit-summaries. I was left with the impression that you considered that the events from the Bosnian War should have influence over the edits, and I disagreed with that. I don´t want to leave the impression of being unfair, or that I ignore the suffering of the victims of Serb forces during the war. However, it´s hard to quantify the suffering. What I mean is that in my view, we all suffered (and still suffer), regardless of the ethnicity. There was tremendous manipulation and propaganda from all sides, and the people from all sides became victims. Beside a bunch of people that profited from the war (and there are few in all suides), I think that everyone else in bigger or lesser extent suffered greatly. For instance, part of my family are Serbs from Sarajevo. They didn´t participated in the war and they didn´t even supported no one. They were real Yugoslavs in spiryth. However they suffered greatly in a Bosnian dominated part of Sarajevo where they lived for generations and used to have quite a comfortable life. Because they were Serbs, they had terrible experiences and witnessed horrible events. After much pressure, their homes were occupied and still today they didn´t recovered all their property, some of which is inhabited by some former BiH Army commander... By telling you this oppenly here I really don´t pretend anything else but simple peace and, if possible, progress. I condemn all bad things done by all sides, and I don´t pretend at all to make comparisons neither to quantify something which is impossible to quantify, lifes and the suffering. I just mean that one can´t do things by charging some debt because of past events. One could eventually say that what that part of my family suffered/suffers is fair because other Serbs in other places did worste to Bosnian families. Neither I should now act in a way of revenge for what that part of my family suffered. That war was so dirty. I know this may look that my intention is to equalize all and that way spare the ones you consider guilties, but beleave me, it is not my pretention. But I do find that nationalists and extremists from all sides were kind of almost equally bad. And the rest, well, besides few, the rest of ordinary people were just manipulated sheeps listening to their ethnic group propaganda which existed from all sides. At least we, the already established editors more familiarised with the wiki principles, can try to leave nationalism aside, and when confronted with it, we can try at least not to add fuel to it.

Now, returning to the subject itself, it was great to see that with good will consensus can be archived. I think everyone at any point can challenge it and open the discussion again, but at least now we have a centralised place with a discussion to point out whenever some user or IP bothers with this. Not sure if you celebrate Christmass tonigh, if you do I wish you marry Christmass, and anyway I send you kind regards, FkpCascais (talk) 22:54, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

What you say is completely true. A Serb victim is no less important or a tragedy than a non-Serb one simply because there were more of the latter. Qualitative and quantitative differences are only subject to judicial and political contexts whereas human suffering is always human suffering. My initial objection was never meant to be a collective incrimination of Serbs, but were specifically directed towards that specific user who made the edits. These edits in my opinion were part of dishonest intentions. The same kind of intentions I would object to if a Bosniak or Croat advanced them. The essential feature about Bosnia and Herzegovina is its sharing by three native peoples; Bosnia and Herzegovina was and is Bosniak, Serb and Croat. It can never be the state of one nation, but only the collective and equal home of all three communities which must respect their co-existence and not try to subdue and dominate each other. Whether reading an article about Croat-dominated Tomislavgrad, Bosniak-dominated Zenica or Serb-dominated Trebinje, one must not receive the impression of those towns as being either Serb, Bosniak or Croat, but equally much Serb, Bosniak and Croat. Such is the constitution, and any attempt to establish any kind of exclusive nation state in Bosnia and Herzegovina will only lead down a path of destruction and death, as it already did. All sides suffered and no one needed this war, it was the brain child of sick minds that forged hatred and fears among people. However, with regard to my edits, I do not consider myself as having responded with nationalism, but rather to nationalism. I deeply apologize if my actions suggest else. Thank you so much and I wish you a merry Christmas as well (though you guys celebrate it in January if I am not mistaken)! P.S. If anyone should claim the discussion re-opened they better have novel perspectives to add; spinning the same old arguments would be pointless. Praxis Icosahedron ϡ (TALK) 05:05, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

I see perfectly what you mean and I agree with your concerns about the impression one can give by editing in a certain way. That is also what lead me to incentivate a centralized discussion where we could all express our concerns and hear each other. We found a, at least temporary but hopefully permanent, solution without much pain. It would be great to see eventual future challenges being solved as this one was. Poke me at any time :) FkpCascais (talk) 07:48, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

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Makedonski kup

Jel možeš da mi nađeš rezultate Makedonskog kupa u sezonama od 93 do 97. Jolicnikola (talk) 19:26, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Hm, na rsssf nema... Pogledaću večeras sve što imam da vidim da nema negde. FkpCascais (talk) 21:49, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Nisam nigde našao. :( FkpCascais (talk) 04:00, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Makedonski igrači koji nemaju stranicu na vikipediji

Jel možeš da napraviš članke makedonskih igrača koji nemaju stranicu a da imaju uslova za to. Unapred zahvalan. Jolicnikola (talk) 17:18, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Eu-football

Ti poseti http://eu-football.info pronađi bazu igrača iz Makedonije i postavi ih na vikipediju. Jolicnikola (talk) 21:58, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Baš zbog toga jer sam hteo da vidim koji igrači fale sam i napravio bio pre jedno godinu dana ovu listu: List of Macedonia international footballers i upotrebio EU-Football kao jedan od izvora. Ali Nikola, do negde oko 3-4 januara neću baš imati mnogo slobodnog vremena :/ FkpCascais (talk) 22:28, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Biću strpljiv, imam i drugih stvari. Jolicnikola (talk) 22:39, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Pa nisam mislio listu nego igrače. Jolicnikola (talk) 22:54, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Nikola, ja stvarno neću uskoro imati vremena. Em što ove nedelje zbog nove godine i ostalog nemam stvarno mnogo slobodnog vremena da editujem, em što sam potpuno bačen na drugi deo, na editovanje našeg fudbala, igrača i trenera od pre 1945. Isto imam na stand-by da napravim članke poput "Velika četvorka", da proširim članke "Football in Serbia, Yugoslavia, i druge" u kojima fali mnogo stvari iz istorije. Imam i nekoliko sezona druge lige FR Yugoslavia još ne napravljene koje me čekaju već godinu dana da ih uradim (od 1994 do 1999). Imam i gomilu drugih članaka koji me čekaju poput "X Football Subassociation" (napravio sam od Belgrade, Skopje, Kragujevac, Novi Sad, Niš i Veliki Bečkerek, a fale Sarajevo, Cetinje, Zagreb, Ljubljana...), imam Belgrade Subassociation sezone da napravim (napravio sam neke kao 1939–40 Serbian League ali fale sve od 1923 do 1939 kao i 1943-44)...

Od makedonskih igrača sam uradio već dosta onih koji su falili (možeš na mojoj strani da vidiš koje sam napravio). Znam da fali još nekliko njih. Napravio sam bazu za tebe da im praviš članke, evo ovde: User:FkpCascais/Sandbox41 . Klikni na "edit" i copy/paste tamo šta imam, i onda samo popunjavaj polja. Svaki igrač koji ima barem 1 reprezentativni nastup može da ima člnak, kao i da nema reprezentativni nastup ali da barem ima 1 nastup u jednoj profesionalnoj ligi sa ove liste: WP:FPL. Na ovoj strani User:FkpCascais/Sandbox17 imaš sve izvore koje koristim. Za makedonske igrače, ako su reprezentativci najbolje EU-Football.info za reprezentativne nastupe, National-Football-Teams.com za klubove i nastupe u ligi do 2006-07, za nastupe iz lige iz skorašnjih sezona najbolji Soccerway.com, za reprezentacije U-21, U-19, U-17 najbolji uefa.com, i pogledaj da li ima na macedonianfootball.com nešto o tom igraču. FkpCascais (talk) 18:11, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Hvala. Jolicnikola (talk) 18:15, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Hajdukovi i makedonski igrači

Eto mene opet, a sad jedno pitanje možeš li da napraviš stranice igrača splitskog Hajduka i makedonske fudbalere (izvini što te opet o tome pitam), a da nemaju stranicu, ako imaš vremena. Jolicnikola (talk) 23:28, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Ali Nikola, samo jedno pitanje, zasto hoces ja da ih napravim? Video sam neke igrace kojima si napravio stranu, odlicno si ih uradio. FkpCascais (talk) 00:52, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Pa imam druga posla oko pravljenja stranica o sezonama Hajduka, pa sam ti hteo u tome prepustiti. U međuvremenu sam napravio članak o Zlatomiru Obradovu. Jolicnikola (talk) 01:10, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Nemoj nista da mi prepustas, jer ja ne znam sta cu pre. Jos nisam nista uradio ni od onih hitnih stvari sto sam ti bio nabrajao da imam da uradim. Ja sam predhodnih godina mnogo vise editovao, ali sad ove zadnje godine nemam vise toliko vremena. Vecinom nocu kad ne mogu da zaspim (kao veceras) pregledam moj watchlist, malo editujem i to vecinom neke sitne stvari, ili ucestvujem u ovoj ili onoj debati. Uvrh glave napravim ponekad neku novu stranu nekom starom treneru, igracu ili predratnom klubu, ali otprilike 2-3 strane mesecno. Sadasnje igrace skoro uopste ne editujem. Sad vec zadnjih jedno mesec dana zvrndam po online knjigama i arhivima starih novina da bi popunio nesto sto nema nigde na internatu, a to je ovo: User:FkpCascais/Sandbox39. Ne vredi da mi trazis da pravim tebi strane, jer to je kao kad bih ja tebi trazio da mi napravis red-linkove sa te liste :/ ... Radi polako, nema zurbe, ja radim stvari godinama, nema problema. Sve sto mozes sam da uradis, uradi (tako i ja radim), a tu sam da ti pomognem sta god treba sto ne mozes sam (informacije da ti nabavim, i to). FkpCascais (talk) 02:23, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Maturity

Saying "bla bla bla" when you're trying to make a point makes it difficult for the person you're arguing with to take your argument seriously. FYI - and you've done that 3 times with me --DemirBajraktarevic (talk) 12:32, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

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Fudbalsko ludilo

Bogami, baš si se zdao...

Probaj na forumu fk vojvodina, pod delom downloads da vidis. Ima nesto knjiga vezanih za istoriju FK Vojvodine koje bi ti mogle biti od koristi.

Samo napred, voleo bih da vidim krajnji rezultat :)

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2013 census

Can you take a look at [5] - lots of number changes mentioning a 2013 census but no source. Seems a bit early for the results of a census last year, but maybe there is such a source. Dougweller (talk) 10:01, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Last time I saw a discussion about this, the results were not released yet, but I honestly don´t know if they are available now or not. I´ll drop him a message at his talk page asking him if he can provide a source with the results. FkpCascais (talk) 10:05, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

You already dropped him a message :) I wrote him in Serbo-Croatian as well in case he is not fluent in English. I´ll try to see in the meantime if the results were released. FkpCascais (talk) 10:12, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Here it is: preeliminary results. They correspond to the ones the user has been adding. I´m not sure how we deal here on wiki regarding preeliminary results. FkpCascais (talk) 10:29, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

I don't either but perhaps you could ask the editor to provide that link at least? Then hopefully someone will update it. Right now it almost looks like the number vandalism that is far too frequent. Thanks a lot for your response. Dougweller (talk) 10:38, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

The user has been inactive for some 5-6 hours by now, and we both dropped him a message asking him for a source. However, it does seem that he has been adding the numbers found on the official preeliminary results, so it doesn´t seem to be vandalism. At least the numbers I checked he added do correspond to the ones found there. Also, I was looking more carefully to the issue, and it does seem that those results are definite regarding the numbers, the thing that was still not released is the ethnic composition, which will be released later in July this year. So it seems quite safe for now to add those numbers from this table. The best I can do is to check them one-by-one and add the source next it? I´ll do that today. FkpCascais (talk) 11:10, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Kup SR Jugoslavije

Jel možeš da mi napraviš stranice o sezonama Kupa SR Jugoslavije? Ja sam radio sezone Kupa Srbije i Crne Gore pa da mi dovršiš taj posao okupiran sam drugim stvarima na wikipediji (Hajdukove sezone, igrači itd.). Ja govorim o fudbalu da ne bi ti bilo zabune. Jolicnikola (talk) 20:42, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

P.S. Imaš ti godišnjaka na http://en.calameo.com/subscriptions/2955541 pa tamo možes da zakopaš šta ti nađeš i šta misliš da treba prepišeš u wikipediju (od njih napraviti stranice, od njih proširivati i itd.). Jolicnikola (talk) 01:27, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Puno hvala Nikola za link, vidim da ima tamo godisnjake nekih sezona koje nisam nikad video. Bas ti hvala! FkpCascais (talk) 02:37, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

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Kosovo place names

Hi. A while ago I set out a proposal for Kosovo place names at Talk:Srbica. You said that you supported such a solution and commented that you had an "agreement" with Albanian editors "regarding that issue about birthplaces for football related artcles". That agreement seems to have been scrapped with User:IJA changing the names of birthplaces of people born before 2008 into Albanian names instead of the then-official and historically accurate ones. I suggest you have a look at this. 23 editor (talk) 19:09, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

There hasn't been any name changes, both names are acceptable and both have been used historically in the English language. Nothing exists about using the Serbian name pre-2008. You have just invented that. This hasn't been agreed to. IJA (talk) 19:12, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Please try inserting St. Petersburg in an article concerning Leningrad in 1955 and see what happens. It won't work. Your little pseudohistorical renaming spree will stop and I will take this to Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. 23 editor (talk) 19:26, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

With St Petersburg, there was an official name change during Soviet times. There hasn't been a name change with Gjakova/ Đakovica. Both are used and both have historically been used in Yugoslavia. Please feel free to take it to a dispute resolution where you will be shot down in flames with your myth about the historical name. Not to mention your comparison to cities which have had an official name change. IJA (talk) 19:43, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Really? There wasn't an official name change after 1912? Prove it. 23 editor (talk) 19:47, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

It is impossible to prove a negative as it didn't happen. IJA (talk) 19:50, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

How is it proving a negative? You're the one who brought it up. 23 editor (talk) 19:55, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

One cannot prove something didn't happen because the fact it didn't happen means there is no evidence. Read Russell's teapot, he is better at explaining 'proving a negative'. IJA (talk) 20:17, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Really, you can't prove something that (allegedly) didn't happen. Bobrayner certainly seems to think so . Of course fallacies in logic can be manipulated when they suit the other side, isn't that right? 23 editor (talk) 20:24, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Please don't go off topic. IJA (talk) 22:38, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, I wasn´t much active this weekend... For the Yugoslav period, certainly until at least 1999, I do support the use of Serbo-Croatian names. The agreement I had was about it, and also about club names, for instance to use FK Priština until 1999 and FC Prishtina only after. FkpCascais (talk) 13:17, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

And on it continues. 23 editor (talk) 23:09, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

Ivo Pavelić

Hi, could I trouble you for a full citation for the information that you added to Ivo Pavelić's article? The current format does not provide enough information for me to produce a proper citation that could be used to verify the material (for example, there's no title or author information that I can use to identify the book on Worldcat). Thanks. Canadian Paul 22:38, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

OK, I see, no problem. The book title is "Beogradski sokolovi" from 2003, the author is Petar M. Prokić, the page is 36, and the full quotation is (its the fourth paragraph), translated from Serbian:

Trouth be said, before him there were other players that played for the (Yugoslav) national team and were Soko players, Ivan Pavelić debuted (for the national team) just a few days after leaving to Zagreb´s Concordia; and Milutin Ivković and Stojan Popović (played for national team) before they came to Soko.

I beleave here you can find all pages of the book (is it opening to you?). FkpCascais (talk) 01:17, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Bulgarian barnstar

Thank you, much appreciated. And you reminded me to put the stats back in the article, from which they'd been removed. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 10:10, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Slovački klubovi u Vojvodini

Ja sam napravio članak o Tatri iz Kisača i planiram da napravim još nekoliko o klubovima iz mesta u kojima su većinom Slovaci. Pa sam te zamolio da ako imaš malo vremena (znam ja da ustvari nemaš vremena) da mi pomogneš u pravljenju člankova tako da dopuniš podacima iz istorije klubova. Ako ja nemam vremena ili sam okupiran obavezama oko vikipedije i drugih obavezama a i ti imaš vremena da napraviš poneki članak o tim klubovima iz tih mesta. Unapred zahvalan. Jolicnikola (talk) 02:54, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Problem tih klubova moze da bude "notability". Recimo stalno brisu cak i vece klubove kao FK Šumadija Aranđelovac ili FK Vujić Voda Valjevo jer kao neprolaze "notabilty". Nisam tacno siguran oko tog "notability". Mislim da sem profesionalnih liga, moraju da imaju barem jedan nastup u 16tini finala kupa ili tako nesto... A moram da ti priznam da bas nista o tim klubovima ne znam. Sto se slovaka iz Vojvodine tice sve sto sam napravio je clanak o Ján Podhradský. Ne znam je li mogu puno da pomognem a ne znam ni da li ti klubovi prolaze "notability" da im ne bi izbrisali clanak u slucaju da im napravimo. FkpCascais (talk) 03:55, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Ja ću ako zaprete brisanjem te članke ću prebaciti pod prefiksom User:Jolicnikola/. Jolicnikola (talk) 04:00, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

A ima i nekoliko usera iz tog kraja (npr. IvanKlinko i Klačko) pa mogli bi mi oni da mi pomognu. Jolicnikola (talk) 04:08, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Bolje njih pitaj jer ja moram da ti priznam da bas nista o tim klubovima ne znam, cak nisam ni cuo za njih. Jedino sto me interesuje vezano za to je da nisu mozda u tim klubovima ponikli ili igrali neki slovacki reprezentativci, kao na primer Podhradsky. Ako nadjes nekog javi mi. FkpCascais (talk) 04:31, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Moja greška nemaju talk stranice pa ne mogu, ja odustajem od tvoje pomoći. Ali ako pronađem neke stranice sa istorijom klubova i neke usere ja ću ti se javiti. Izvini što sam te ja napunio tim postovima. Jolicnikola (talk) 04:35, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Nema problema, pozdrav Nikola! FkpCascais (talk) 05:23, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Slovački klubovi u Vojvodini 2

E ćao, evo me pišem, izvini što ti remetim mir i pišem u prazno ako nisi tu (nemaš vremena, znam da su Uskršnji praznici). Nego ja opet pišem o tim klubovima gde je slovačka većina. A da te ja pitam jel možeš da gugluješ onu istoriju tih klubova, igrače (znam da imaš Pohradskog) i igrališta na kojima igraju. Unapred hvala. Jolicnikola (talk) 22:16, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Ispravka: mislio sam da napišem o klubovima iz mesta gde je slovačka veličina, izvinjavam se ja zbog toga, greška u pisanju. Jolicnikola (talk) 22:18, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Evo vodi cu se po ovom clanku Slovaks in Vojvodina i mesta koja su tu spomenuta, pa cu videti sta mogu da nadjem. FkpCascais (talk) 02:05, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Nasao sam grb SŠK Petrovec, vidi JUGOSLAWIEN&cat2=WOJWODINA&cat3=BACKI PETROVAC - Slovacki Sportski Klub&show ovde . FkpCascais (talk) 03:21, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

WWII infobox

As you have edited that page, you are welcome to participate in a discussion that is taking place at Template_talk:WW2InfoBox#Allies. Thank you. ^walk victor falk ^talk 03:22, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. FkpCascais (talk) 04:01, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

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Opinion

Hi, i would like to have your opinion about a discussion which i started here, thank.Kingroyos (talk) 23:10, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Pomoć

Da li bi mi mogao pomoći da prijavis ip korisnika 46.163.63.73 koji vandalizuje clanke. Ima ga na clanku o Meši Selimoviću gde uporno negira izvore i pise kako je Selimovic bosanski pisac, takodje i stari problemi sa ćirilicom gde na mesta iz Republike Srpske :Novi Grad, Bileću i Bilećko jezero stavlja nekakvu bosansku ćirilicu a znamo da se u Republici Srpskoj govori srpski jezik i srpska cirilica. To je korisnik DemirBajraktarevic kome je zbog vandalizovanja već blokiran nalog i vec nekoliko puta je sa ip adresom takodje blokiran. Ja sam sad vratio kako treba ali će on verovatno doći i poništiti moje izmene. Ako ga možeš prijaviti bio bih ti zahvalan. pozdrav--93.86.87.202 (talk) 14:33, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

Zdravo

Hoceli to jarane ;)?--Nado158 (talk) 15:54, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Dogovor na WP:Bosnia je postignut da stoji [ [Serbian Cyrillic alphabet|Cyrillic] ]: posledaj na talk page od njihovog WikiProject. ... Nemam puno slobodnog vremena ovih dana, malo editujem. FkpCascais (talk) 21:36, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Hey, no problem, I also have not so much time. Ja nisam onaj lik gore, ja sam pitao samo ovako, sta radis, kako si itd. Thats all. So, do you like the article of FK Jagodina? I improved it.--Nado158 (talk) 11:23, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

see this [[6]]

?--Nado158 (talk) 16:49, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Janko Simović

Yes, it needs sourcing directly please - and as soon as possible - per WP:V and WP:BLP. GiantSnowman 18:52, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

OK, I know they do, and I know why. Also, I didn´t noteced his soccerway page was missing, which indicates his cup title of this season. FkpCascais (talk) 19:40, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

That's great, thanks! GiantSnowman 19:46, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Cukaricki Belgrade

I think this is the better Name for englisch Wikipedia, as well as at Red Star Belgrade. I think Rad Belgrade, Cukaricki Belgrade, Vozdovac Belgrade, Partizan Belgrade, OFK Belgrade, Radnicki Kragujevac, Obilic Belgrade (it also refer to English-speaking people, see Google) ect. It is for the English WP the correct lemma, better designation, also looks better, instead of FK FK FK FK FK FK. For example, we have Borussia Dortmund, but after the treatmant similar to the clubs who i mentioned, its must written, BvB Dortmund, but is terrible rigth? I think also. So what you think bro? This FK is not good belive me. Better Partizan Belgrade (Footballclub), Partizan Belgrade (Basketballclub), only at FK Jagodina and FK Novi Pazar its ok, because they dont have a name infront of the cityname.

What is better?

1. Partizan Belgrade
2. Spartak Subotica
3. Vojvodina Novi Sad
4. Sloboda Uzice
5. Cukaricki Belgrade

or

1. FK Partizan
2. FK Spartak Subotica
3. FK Vojvodina Novi Sad
4. FK Sloboda Uzice
5. FK Cukaricki

I think the first example for the forgein player or readers if you understand ;)?. The company Facebook delate also the first name "The Facebook", you know why ;)?Nado158 (talk) 12:01, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

It is not a good move because, for instance, Vojvodina has many clubs in many different sports, so, its better to have the official name as article title. I know what you wanted, even I said that long time ago regarding "Partizan Belgrade" and I used it in a piped way (Partizan Belgrade) in may articles and player infoboxes, but moving the article title is a major issue and needs discussion. Red Star Belgrade is named that way because of the "Red Star" part of the name: translated from the original Crvena zvezda and clearly used much more than CZ in English language sources. FkpCascais (talk) 02:27, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

I do not fully share your opinion. Yes, Vojvodina has many clubs in many different sports, like many other clubs in Serbia also, also Cukaricki, but we can write Vojvodina Novi Sad (Footballclub), Vojvodina Novi Sad (Basketballclub) ect. In Austria, Switzerland ect. nobody say FK Partizan, FK Cukaricki, FK FK FK ect, they say, Partizan Belgrade, Cukaricki Belgrade, Sporting Lissabon, Real Madrid (not Real Madrid CF), Roter Stern Belgrad ect, and they clearly used much more this versions. This FK, VK, HK, BK, RK ect. interfere totaly. We can explain this in the introduction. And also in England clearly used much more Red Star Belgrade, Partizan Belgrade, Cukaricki Belgrade, Radnicki Kragujevac ect than FK Radnicki 1923. Ovo je lose, jel unistavamo imena sa FK, BK itd. i takodje sa ubacivanjem godinsa osnivanja u imena, veruj mi. Mi smo navikli na ta imena pa nam svuce ok ili dobro, ali kad neko cuje prvi put FK Radnicki 1923, brate nezvuci ni malo dobro. Naravno posle nekog vremena svako ime zvuci ok ili dobro, tako je bilo i kod dosta Ruskih klubova. Secam se kad ni jedan svabo nije znao da izgovori Ruska imen itd, sada ga bolje izgovaraju nego Rusi sami i zvuci dobro. Naravno sve je to navika, ali sta fali Rad Belgrade, Hajduk Kula, Partizan Belgrade, Radnicki Kragujevac, Sloboda Uzice, Spartak Subotica, Radnicki Nis itd....sto samo mi unistavamo svoja imena?...FK, VK, RK itd. To se moze sve lepo objasniti u tekstu. To je i marketinski bolje, mnogo bolje. Nekazem ja da prodajemo nasa imena za tudji jezik, sigunrno ne, ali ovde mi imamo korist, samo zato, a i nemenjamo imena. Isto vazi za Sloboda Uzice, ja nisam za to da pise oLiberty Uzice, ni u zivotu, ali samo Sloboda Uzice (football) ili (footballclub), znaci bez FK. Linking we can do of course. Sto se tice beogradskih klubova, u inostranstvu dodaju svim klubovima i ime grada, cak ako ga i nema.--Nado158 (talk) 09:52, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Ma razumem te Nado, i nije da ja uopste forsiram "nasa" imena, nego ne verujem da ce ovo proci na WP:FOOTY. Prvo zato sto vecina (ako ne svi) klubovi imaju druge sportove (RK, OK, itd.), i drugo zato sto na wiki ako klub nema jasan commonname (kao primer Zvezde je Red Star Belgrade) onda kao naslov koristi zvanicno ime kluba. Vidi recimo Category:Football clubs in Portugal i od drugih drzava... Vidis recimo Sporting Clube de Portugal? To je SPorting Lisbon. Ali naslov je ipak zvanican. Category:Association football clubs by country tu su sve zemlje, znas verovatno. To sto ti zelis sam ja fakticki uradio na List of foreign footballers in top leagues of former Yugoslavia za klube cele bivse Juge i napravio redirect za te strane. Mozemo da koristimo takva imena kakva hoces na tabelama lige da se vidi grad, itd. Ali kao naslov nece proci. I najvise se ti gradovi koriste kad ima klubova sa istim imenon iz vise gradova, reciimo Mladost Apatin, Lucani, itd. FkpCascais (talk) 13:51, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

OK :/, razumem. E, malo sam popravio stranu Jagodine i Cukarickog, neznam jel si video. Auuu sta urade sa CZ, brate mili, koji mi potencijal imamo a naprave od nas najgore. Unistili Vosu, Partizan propada uskoro, niko u zatvoru, Tole Terzic i dalje tu, strasno. Bicemo mi najgori na Balkanu, blizu smo. Malo sam i sredio stranu na WP o Toletu ;). Pozz.--Nado158 (talk) 17:27, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Voleo bi uzivo da pricam, sa tobom o fudbalu.--Nado158 (talk) 17:57, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

p...--Nado158 (talk) 16:50, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

FK Partizan Kosovska Mitrovica

Can you please help, the other users understand nooothingggg and try to put they POV there.--Nado158 (talk) 14:36, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

I´ll try but I wan´t have much time today to be here... Just be cool. There needs to be found a solution for all articles: FK Trepča and KF Trepça where all positions will be represented. FkpCascais (talk) 15:55, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Kasno i gotovo je. Ovde vlada takva diskriminizacija protiv sve sto je Srpsko to je uzas. Jednosatavno nemam i nisam imao vise zivaca, toliko lazi i toliko patimo pod diskriminizacijom na Wikipeidji, to je strasno. See, becaue i improved the FK Trepca side they want to bann me for 1 year, but the other users can do what they want with Serbian articles and history. Pazi, ima samo jedna FK Trepca, i to je nasa iz 1932. Nemogu on da se osnivaju svoj club 1999 i da ukradu i stadion, i prostorij i pehare i jos reci da su oni prava Trepca i ukrasit istoriju. No, nemoze tako, nit je to priznala FIFA nit oni to mogum jel to nije priznato i nikakvu formalsnot nije sve to proslo i to je one side decision. Koliko klubova su tako nestali, stadioni dobili nova imena i grbovi promenili na KiM? Od Crvene Zvezde Gn. do FK Kosovo Polje itd. A de je kosarka i rukomet itd? Sto popravim stranu FK Trepce i objansjavam da to nije FK Partizan Kosovska Mitrovica, da je taj klub nestao itd, zato sam dobijo ....Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Nado158...--Nado158 (talk) 19:38, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

A Funny

Just wanted to let you know, this comment amused me greatly:

"most readers of this article here on en.wiki simply want to read about what Tesla was notable for, a scientist, and not about Tesla the Great Serb, or Tesla Croatia's homeland hero. "

Cheers, FkpCascais!--Atlantictire (talk) 16:39, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Eheh thank you Atlantictire but despite sounding funny, I think it is trouth. Best regards :) FkpCascais (talk) 13:44, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

The saddest thing is that the obsession with his ethnicity has caused everyone to miss the anti-Tesla editing that caused the article to read as if Tesla didn't deserve credit for inventing the first practical AC induction motor (you know, the one that changed the world).--Atlantictire (talk) 16:02, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

THANK YOU

...for resolving the flag issue. Some users just like to delete others work and then justify it by some dubious interpretation of guidelines. Thanks for pointing out how to contradict these users. They are detrimental to wikipedia. Have a great day! Stephreef (talk) 12:36, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you Stephreef. Ohconfucius is a good editor that makes a lot of very good mantainance work. However I agree he has been too strict with the interpretation of the use of flags, which in turn, is a bit vague and confusing. I defend the flags for teams in the squad templates because as a sports enthusiast I know how much they are helpfull for immediatelly recognising the players that play in the best leagues. Heva a great day too, best regards! FkpCascais (talk) 13:53, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Uvek omašim

Uvek omašim kad su u pitanju ovi strani igrači, izgleda da mi je smanjena moć percepcije kad je to u pitanju.:) Zato si tu da ispraviš, jedino što mi je glupo što ti pravim dupli posao, ali sam fokusiran na to da sredim postave za klubove JSL(već sređeno) i PLS(još uvek u fazi sređivanja i piskaram za one igrače koji nemaju stranu, a imaju nastup u profesionalnoj ligi). Još kada bismo mogli da sredimo malo strane o klubovima, bilo bi dobro, ali otom-potom. Ja imam volju da sredim ovo što sam započeo, ali imam sve manje vremena zbog pokušaja pripreme za faks.:) Mada je, plašim se, badava ovo što mi na neki način utičemo na popularizaciju ovog domaćeg fudbala, kad rukovodeći slepci rade malo toga korisnog, uz dužno poštovanje prema izuzecima, naravno. U svakom slučaju, hvala na podršci i pomoći! Lotom (talk) 19:30, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Ahahaha ma apsolutno nista ne brini :) nije to nikakav problem. To kod tih stranih imena nekad ih i oni imaju po 2-3 imena i prezimena... Kod ovog mi je bilo laske jer je Andul Rashid bas tipicno ime, pa zato, inace i meni se desava da promasim. Primetio sam vec kako radis odlican posao. A ovi rukovodeci slepci ne samo da ne pomazu, nego jos odmazu. Ja sam dosta zauzet ovih zadnjih nedelja pa zato nisam toliko prisutan, ali sam miran kad znam da ti i par ostalih nasih editora vodi brigu o nasim clancima. Veliki veliki pozdrav! FkpCascais (talk) 18:33, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Važi, a što se Rašida tiče, kad debituje u JSL, trebalo bi da mu napišemo biografiju, znam da ti uglavnom iskopaš podatke i informacije, ja mogu da napišem ponešto, jer sam ga gledao uživo i zaista je veoma perspektivan igrač. Od Sloge je verovatno dobio čiste papire, jer Sloga više nema finansijera, pošto je Milašinović napustio klub, tako da će sada igrati uglavnom igrači iz KV i okoline. Za igrača koji je '94, sasvim je solidan, tehnika mu nije loša, mada je, čini mi se, malo slabiji u realizaciji. U Slogi je igrao po levoj strani, krilo, mada je ponekad u toku utakmice bio vraćan na beka. Visok je, brz i mislim da izrasta u prilično dobrog igrača. Pozdrav! Lotom (talk) 21:15, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Sezone Druge Lige SR Jugoslavije

Nedavno si obecao napraviti sve sezone Druge lige SR Jugoslavije, a napravio si samo prve dve. Hoces li ih napraviti ili ako ne mozes da napises razloge zasto ne mozes? Jolicnikola (talk) 20:28, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Ako su ti hitne slobodno ih napravi. Jedini razlog sto ih nisam napravio je taj sto nemam bas vremena, ali ovih dana cu ih napraviti.

Jolicnikola jesi primetio onog dosadnog lika iz Australije sto se sa vremena na vreme pojavljuje pod raznim imenima i vandalizuje clanke o makedonskom fudbalu? FkpCascais (talk) 13:28, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Re: Mention federal republic

I'm acting upon loooong-established consensus compromise for all Croatian and ex-Yugoslav biographies, not just football ones - it's the only one that has anything of a chance to deter these common episodes of people fiddling it with because they want to mention not just Austria-Hungary or Yugoslavia, but also Croatia. Besides, the republics were in fact countries even if they weren't states at the time, so even on that semantic front, there's no reason to omit them. The football biographies are generally overrepresented in the sample of all biographies because football is popular, but that's hardly a real reason for them to deviate from the general standard. Note the limits of WP:LOCALCONSENSUS. Indeed, it would be especially weird to enforce such shortening in the case of recent footballer biographies, where the birthplace record is egregiously inconsequential to most of them - Ivan Strinić for example was four years old when Yugoslavia broke up. His relation to Yugoslavia is a curiously detailed factoid at best, and a flamebait for silly edit wars at worst. In the WP:ARBMAC topic area, everyone prefers fewer edit wars. The issue of the length of the name widening the infobox is easily fixed by adding a line break (br tag). --Joy [shallot] (talk) 07:13, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Misdongarde Betolngar

Opet ja, sad sam video diskusiju oko njegovog imena. Naime, pisale su novine o tome kako je u našoj crkvi uzeo ime Đorđe. Otuda je najverovatnije usledilo ono uporno menjanje strane. Npr, Žurnal je objavio ovo: ЂОРЂЕ ИЗ ЧАДА: Бетолигар прешао у православље. Eto, to na primer ne bi bilo loše ubaciti u biografiju, ali svakako uz izvor, inače ovako se zapita čovek odakle to. Lotom (talk) 18:47, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Ahahaha video sam vest na zurnalu (to moze da bude izvor) kako je primio Pravosljavlje i ksrtili ga kao Djordje. Kad sam revertovao nisam imao pojma o tome i pogresio sam. Info treba da bude u clanku, ali ne u zvanicnom imenu i infoboxu. FkpCascais (talk) 17:06, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

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Hello FkpCascais, hope you're also fine, thanks for being good with me in the talk. As for edits I'm saying that as for my opinion those football players in wikipedia should have called citizen in where they were born and not where they were grow up or what national team represents, for example Atdhe Nuhiu since he was born in Kosovo should called Kosovan-Albanian descent, but I readed the WP:FOOTY and I agree now. And if you have seen my User Page I take care about my national team Albania and everything linked with that, such are member football players (such as you see at my Watchlist), and as you say I've done too much work to expand and correct their pages here on wikipedia and such I must thank you for your rate to me. And also I must thank you for not being racist and violent with an Albanian like me despite you're Serbian and our countrys are most hated enemies of times. Now I must ask a question; if you are serbian and as you told you saw at your watchlist my edits, how can you watch the albanian pages despite you're serb. Thank you. Eni.Sukthi.Durres (talk) 10:03, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Ok pal, I respect you for what you are and what you think. Our story is too long and too sad. We were a great country but with the years passing, we shkrinked too much, our terrirtores passed to your country, Macedonia, Montenegro and Greece, this is the reason for hating Serbia and Greece, but also even Macedonia. We want just the justice, we want to take our terrirtores and to form great state of the Ethnic Albania as we deserve, and this starts with the Republic of Kosovo, wich serbia doesn't accept their independence. Our plan it's to accept kosovo as a independent state and then to unite with our Albania republic. This is the first reason why we hate your country, also and for the genocid that Slobodan Milošević, your former dictator made to kosovan peoples in 1999 year. As for your opinion, what you think: it's fair for kosovo to be accepted from your country Serbia, did they deserve, it's called this justice then?Eni.Sukthi.Durres (talk) 20:33, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

I though you were a good man, but you are unfair. Who are you to report me for a offence to your compatriot, it's me not someone who you doesn't know him. It wasn't any fair what UEFA did us yesterday and you know perfectly, as Branislav Ivanović declared.

As for Shrink of my country it's a long story, Kosovo is ours, Novi Pazar and Preševo Valley also, and west of Macedonia, East of Montenegro and north-west Greece.Eni.Sukthi.Durres (talk) 12:18, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

The Serbian Empire by 1350.

Eni, you and I are wiki editors, and as such, we need to be prepared to deal with provocations without falling into insults. I hae no ideia who the editor was, but once I see you calling a Serbian editor "South-Russian", it becomes racism to me. Your ideias of Greater Albania are also not cool at all, but that is your personal view and I have nothing to do with it.

Regarding the game, I cant see how can your side complain at all. You provoked the incident, your players stared running to grab the flag and were pushing Serbian players. You all knew that was a huge provocation. I suppose you never qualify for major tournaments so the hole issue was just to make a battlefield in the field and get Serbia to be punished and not go to the EURO. Serbia should have been awarded with the 3 points, or at least the match should have been repeated (we wanted to play, your players were just too afraid to play and you counted that UEFA would punish Serbia :P ). Yes, the decition of UeFA was very unfair, but for Serbia!

I really have a question. I saw in tv celebrations in Albania after the game... What were you celebrating? That you didn't lost and got the match to be interrompted? I really don't understand what were the reasons for celebration in Albania.

And regarding the "shrinking" issue Eni.Sukthi.Durres. I love history and I know quite well all periods in our region, so I was, and I still am, very curious to know at what historical period was Albania big and now shrinked? You can only be referring to the WWII when Italians gave you some parts of Yugoslavia and it lasted just until Nazis and fascist were kicked out. If you see Great Albania youll see that besides that period, Albania never had any control over Serbian and Montenegrin territories. You just dream a Great Albania and you imagine it existed, but it didn't :)

And if I were thinking same way as you do, how should Serbs feel when they see Serbian Empire? Or ... oh you are from Durres!... look: Drač County. FkpCascais (talk) 05:01, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Poor you and your people for what kind of fool things have you in your head !!!!!! First of many, you call it racism to say for you that you came from south Russia?! Then what do we can call what you did to us in start of the match when players came on the pitch, where you as the fans singed 'kill albanians, death for them" etc.? Yes this is what you have to bann from the competition, for racism, which it's forbidden by UEFA himself, but guess what? Platini is corrupted and favorised you.

Let's continue: How do you know that the flag was put in by us at the stadium, how do u know that it wasn't puted by your people to blamed us? Yuo still call it right the decision that the match was awarded for you 3-0? So you made racism, physique violence at opponent which came to play football, and then you want the a win as a award? The security was to not allow conflict between peoples not to become violents with us. The security also it's responsible for the flag who came on the stadium, but not remained behind and the federation for organisation of the match.

We celebrated for our "300 spartans" which didn't had afraid of your huligans, your animals which can't called people humans. You are such of cowards that you talking bullshit to media because you're afraid of the revenge.

it's writted that you came to the Europe in the years 1200: Serbs established several states in the early Middle Ages following the Slavic migrations. The Serbian Kingdom obtained recognition by Rome and Constantinople in 1217; the state was elevated to the Serbian Empire, in 1346. so don't ask to have territores here and don';t be a fool because at Greater Albania you can see at images what I said previously above that Novi Pazar and Preševo Valley also, and west of Macedonia, East of Montenegro and north-west Greece are completely ours, before 1913.

So you serb, don't trust so much at media and the history of what at your country it's said because everybody speaks well for them selves. Eni.Sukthi.Durres (talk) 20:41, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

Territorial expansion of the Kingdom of Serbia in 1913.

All images at Greater Albania are just imagination and projects that never happened along with maps showing ethnic composition which by no means mean that the territory was yours. Please show me a year when Albania was independent and big. Please. I showed you when Serbia was independent and big, now it is your turn. You are the one here trusting media and propaganda, while I am showing you historical facts. FkpCascais (talk) 21:00, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

And if you call Serbs - South Russians (we are just as Russians as Bulgarians, Poles or Czechs are, we are all Slavic people) I can call you Littoral Serb as your city was the capital of Littoral Serbia (Drač county)... You are not Eni Sukhti but Ilija Sukić from Drač lol its just that Turks brainwashed your past and made you a separate ethnic group. FkpCascais (talk) 21:05, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

We didn't come in 12 century, we came in 6 century, read History of Serbia and imediatelly build an independent state. What you were reading about 12 century was referring just to the Serbian Empire only, but Serbs had numerous kingdoms and states before that. FkpCascais (talk) 21:15, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

I have no idea what bullshit you are talking about. Oh please don't be a fool, it's predicted that in 2035 map of europe and the world even, will change and my country Albania will take everuthing that they deserve. If maps at Greater Albania are imagination that never happenned then why wikipedia allow those kind of things? Comon now. If you don't believe anything we must wait what will happened but it's not necessary to spend time here mading debates here, we will see actions in the future. Eni.Sukthi.Durres (talk) 21:28, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

You were never even fully independent in the history, only now in 20 century you became independent... Now go and search me maps and facts that back up your claims how Albania was once big nd now shrinked and blabla. I want facts, not dreams pal.ˇFkpCascais (talk) 21:34, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

I brought you 2 maps showing how Serbia was big and now shrinked. I want you to show me the same but for Albania. Show me a map or an article of how Albania was once big and now shrinked. And the maps at Greater Albania are just showing ethnic structure and the PROPOSED Albanian vilayet, which NEVER existed, and even if it was allowed by Turks, it would just have been an Otoman province, not an independent country. See the difference between Serbian kingdoms and empire which were independent, and Albanian dreams and projects? FkpCascais (talk) 21:39, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

my time it's Gold, I don't have to spend to convice you for that, but as i said, we will see what happen in the future to prove what's true and what is lie, a big lie even. You agree? Eni.Sukthi.Durres (talk) 21:40, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

Yes, escape... You don't have any maps or articles because Albania was never big or shrinked or blabla... You just talk bullshit, go to school pal and learn some history. Good bye you nationalist dreamer and keep on hating Serbs, good for you, do whatever. If something shrinked it was not Albania for sure, but your brain... FkpCascais (talk) 21:43, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

And I don't know what will happened in the future, but all I know is that we Serb at least we had independent kingdoms and even an Empire, and you had nothing but Italian/Soviet/Turk dependencies. Even now you need Americans to fight us, shame on you. And you come to me talking some bullshit about how Albania was big? How dare you? I like Albania and I like Albanian and European history, but I hate nationalists ignorants like you who talk bullshit without knowing shit. FkpCascais (talk) 21:50, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

People like you are the dishonor of educated Albanians, and the reason why Albania is at the bottom of Europe. ... You deserve Novi Pazar (lol?)... I will not even say here what you deserve... FkpCascais (talk) 21:57, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

Say it if you can, but you're coward like all of you. You are simple some suckers who stand united like sheeps, instead us that we stand alone like lions or Chuck Norris, lolololololol. Eni.Sukthi.Durres (talk) 12:52, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

You must be joking, because if Serbs are known for anything is our bravery, sometimes even fulish and almost suicidal. Ever since we allways fought against everyone wanting to fight us, often much stronger then us. We fought Byzantine Empire, Bulgarian Empire, Republic of Venice, Hungaria, etc. and then we built our medieval kingdom that grew so strong that it became an Empire. Serbian Empire was at the doors of Constantinople (Istambul) when our Emperor Dusan Silni died and then our nobles started fighting eachother for power (civil war) and Ottomans (Turks) took advantage of that situation and started their conquests in Europe. If Emperor Dusan didn't died, Turks would not have invaded the Balkans and made all the mess they made in the entire region for 500 years and there would not have been Muslim Albanians neither Bosnians and we would all have been advanced just as the rest of Europe. However despite Dusans death we fought the Ottomans. Then after kicking Turks out of Central and Western Balkans (again, Serbs were the first ones to liberate ourself from Turks, with Greeks as second ones), we stood up braves against a much much stronger Austro-Hungarian Empire and the entire world knows that we fighting Autro-Hungary was the tart of the First World War. While 99% of countries would just curve to Austrians, we didn't, and we were not afraid to fight against a 10 times bigger opponent and we were even more weaker at that time because we had just been loosing lives in the Balkan Wars which, by the way, we won both. At the end we won and Yugoslavia was created (the creation of Yugoslavia instead of a Greater Serbia is a long story). Then Second World War started and again, Serbs were fighting a much stronger opponent, and at the end we won! Serbs along with other Yugoslavs, were among the best ones in kicking Nazis ass. And you Albanians immediately joined the Axis and attacked us. We were attacked by all sides, by Nazi Germany, Mussolini Italy, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria and, of course, you Albania :) And we won in the end :P ... Then after the war, when all countries in Eastern Europe were subjugated by Stalins USSR, we bravely said "No!" to Russians and we created the Non-Aligned Movement. Then when the rulers of the world decided in the late 1980s that Yugoslavia was to be dismembered so no leftist movement (Titoism) will be recorded as positive and successfull in the history books, we, Serbs, along with Montenegrins, were the ones defending Yugoslavia. And we fought entire NATO, the United States army, and their puppets Croatian, Bosnian and KLA armies. We were so brave that we went to fight United States. So you are telling me that we are not brave? We are probably the craziest nation in the world which fought allways for our freedom against much bigger and stronger adversaries and we usually win! And you know very well that if it wasn't for the Americans, your KLA would just have been aniquilated in just a few days. So, resuming, we fought the Bizantine Empire, Hungary, Bulgarian Empire, Ottoman Empire, Autria, Austro-Hungarian Empire, Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, Italian Albania, Nazi Croatia, then we challenged Soviet Union and we showed them our power (see Tito-Stalin split) and more recently in the 1990s we fought Croatia, Bosnia and all Mujahedeens, KLA terrorists, then the United States army plus entire NATO... Millions and millions of Serbs died in all this wars, but at least no one can say we were not brave. Who did you, Albania, fought? The one Albanian you can be proud of is Skenderbeg, he was a great leader and a friend and ally of Serbs. FkpCascais (talk) 16:59, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

You don't have nothing what to do that writtes so long bullshit. You showed who you really are at the 'football' match on 14th october. Ah I forget, what you can say to me about Srebrenica massacre. Stop talking shit cause we know you. You don't belong here on europe cause you came from russia. Eni.Sukthi.Durres (talk) 20:52, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

What you call "so long bullshit" is called history, something you don't have any knolledge about :) You can only dream pal being what I am. Now get a fuck out of my talk-page and do your little shit somewhere else if you don't have anything intelligent to say. It is not my fault we had an Empire and were big and brave in the past. You came here talking lies and you got ridiculised, and now I hope you know that you were never big neither you shrinked. Be happy and proud with what you have, don't lie or pretend you had bigger history than the one you had. Read some history first and educate yourself. I feel sorry for frustrated nationalists like you, I hope one day you learn the good things in life. FkpCascais (talk) 22:04, 29 October 2014 (UTC) And just for you: Drač County. Serbian troops were welcomed in Durres. Also another thing, we Serbs have little to do with Russians beside historical friendship and sharing Slavic blood and Orthodox fate. But we almost had war with Russia only 60 years ago. We don't need nobody to defend us, while you opened your legs to Americans "Oh, please help us! Please!!!" FkpCascais (talk) 22:21, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

Hope we're alive to see whar will happen in the future and you suckers will remain like shit . Eni.Sukthi.Durres (talk) 13:00, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I am so afraid ... I am pissing myself in the pants... :P ... Im still waiting for you to tell me what year was Albania big. You should read your own history for your own good so you don't embarace yourself in the future anymore by saying stupid things like those. FkpCascais (talk) 14:30, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Keep talking too much shit.....

Viva Albania, Grande Albania Eni.Sukthi.Durres (talk) 20:46, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

So, no year? Ahahaha ... Eni from Drač County :P FkpCascais (talk) 21:05, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

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	For persistent fight against stupidity, unwritten rules and rejection of reality! AirWolf talk 01:02, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Many thanks AirWolf! I understand you completely, the previous merge discussion was already quite clear, but as you noteced, many unfounded oppose´s were counted as valid. I insisted that Air Serbia article, in case of not being merged, at least has some History section where the history of Aeroput and JAT would be written. I am a bit sorry I haven´t got more time this last month to help you more, I´ll try, but you have done a great work in the merged page you made (perhaps merging Aeroput as well would be even a greater solution) and also you have done well in the discussions. Срдачан поздрав! FkpCascais (talk) 02:00, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Rezultati kupa SR Jugoslavije od 1994 do 1997

Ja sam napravio stranice svih sezona kupa SR Jugoslavije/Srbije i Crne Gore u fudbalu, ali imam jednu zamerku: na rsssf.com nema rezultata sesnaestine i osmine finala od 1994 do 1996 i samo sesnaestine finala 1997. Pa ako mozes pronadji ih negde pa mi objavi. Unapred hvala, a pohvale su mi dobrodosle. Jolicnikola (talk) 15:42, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Bas si ih dobro napravio. Vidim da im fale rezultati, bacio sam oko na neke sajtove ali isto nemaju te sezone. Znas da sve sto imam je ovde (slobodno i ti dodaj neki sajt/link ako mi fali). Pogledacu vise pa cu ti javiti ako nadjem. Te devedesete kod nas su bas zapustene, znas da ni ja ne mogu da nadjem nigde igrace klubova za vecinu tih godina devedesetih :( . PS: Ako hoces napravi one sezone druge lige koje sam hteo da napravim. Stvarno si uradio veoma puno vaznih clanaka, svaka ti cast! FkpCascais (talk) 02:00, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Evo imas neke rezultate iz 96-97 ovde. Jolicnikola (talk) 02:51, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

E bas ti hvala, nisam nikad video taj sajt. Ali meni ne trebaju rezultati, nego mi trebaju igraci klubova. FkpCascais (talk) 03:12, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Nisam ja mislio na igrace klubova. Nego jesi li video one rezultate kupa iz te sezone. Ima i rezultate sesnaestine finala ali su neki neispravni. Jolicnikola (talk) 03:19, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Znam sta ti fali, ali nisam nigde nasao. Ako ih ne nadjem ni na jednom sajtu pogledacu i na forumima B92 i parapsihopatologija da slucajno nema. FkpCascais (talk) 03:26, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Evo napravio sam i sezone druge lige. Jolicnikola (talk) 05:40, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Odlicno! Super su. FkpCascais (talk) 11:38, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Eeee ako sad Fofana ne dobije sancu onda nece nikad ;). Napred Crno-beli ;) 4C--Nado158 (talk) 22:14, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Mislis da ce nikolic da mu da sansu? Cisto sumnjam :D Ode Drincic, a ima jos samo par dana da se dovede neko pojacanje... ajde bas da vidimo. FkpCascais (talk) 23:24, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Pa onda ga treba izbaciti, kome onda da da???? Vidi se iz aviona da ga nevoli. Ma gotovo brate, uprav je ubedljivo najgora u Evropi a i navijaci cute. Ovo nebi nigde proslo, nigde, u Austriji naprimer bi se vec digla pola drzava, ma svi navijaci zbog takvih kao sto nam vode FKP itd. Ali ne, mi nista. Evo Totenhem i Besiktas ima da nam daju 5 komada, vec mi je muka, ozbiljno. Ko da igra? Odbrana katastrofa, Brasanac slab, Ilic star, Stankovic, Petrovic nazad slabi? Drincic odlazi itd. A mi i dalje se svadjamo, Delije, Grobari bla bla, dok drugi rade i ruse lopovske uprave. Srbi, patrijoti samo na jeziku (ne svi). Vidi Azerbajdzanci kako se su se ponasali prema nama? A mi jos njima se uvlacimo u guzicu. Necenis sebe, nece te niko ceniti, tako je to. A niko nevoli ulizice. Gledam ja ovde, Turci na primer su toliko slozni i teraju svoje to je strasno, ma nebi pokrali sebe i Tursko nema sance. Ma kakvi, oni da se svdjaju i dele zbog Srba? tesko. A mi, mi dozvoljavamo da nas asimiliraju po svetu, nestajemo i samo se svadjamo bilo gde u bilo cemu? 3 dana se pise o Stamenkovicu i Zvezdinih pesama u Baku. EJ de to ima??? Jos padamo na te fore. Ajde to su medije ali navijaci? Koliko imaju godina? 5? Ako nedobijemo min. 3 pojacanja na nivou bicemo zadnji bez gola. Ali Djuric je to i lazni "Grobari". Bice katastrofa.--Nado158 (talk) 12:14, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

..or maybe you don't?

Sorry Fkp, just realized you weren't there for the RfC, here's the thread. The FRJ/SiCG was rejected as part of the scope essentially on grounds of it being a successor state of Yugoslavia, and generally being only one of the fragments of the previous state. Don't know who brought in that three-part picture, but they shouldn't have done it without seeking consensus. -- Director (talk) 04:38, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

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Transferi - leto 2014

Sada prečešljavam šta još mogu da pronađem, ali evo onih najbitnijih odlazaka koji nam fale na listi, a nemanju relevantan izvor za potkrepljenje.

Borac: 22 Dejan Stamenković, 25 Ivica Milutinović (Ne znam gde su otišli, brojevi iz prošle sezone u prvoj ligi.)

Rad: 18 Uroš Damnjanović (?), 31 Anto Vasović (Brodarac), 34 Vuk Ranđić (Žarkovo)

Jagodina: 50 Nikola Jakimovski (Trebalo bi da raskine ugovor, ako već nije ovih dana. Ne mogu stalno da vraćam neke stvari, ali nekima ne vredi pisati da on nije bio na pozajmici u Jagodini. Ili možda oni znaju nešto što mi ne znamo). 95 Dean Tišma (?) Po onom dodatku iz Žurnala moglo bi se zaključiti da su 3. golman Jokić, kao i još nekolicina igrača na dvojnim i pozajmicama u Trgovačkom. Tu pre svega mislim na Slađana Mijatovića, Stoičeva, Lazara Cvetkovica, Marinkovića i Ivana Miladinovića, jer su oni počeli sezonu sa Jagodinom. Ne znam šta se dešava sa sertifikatima za Aleksića i Mićunovića, Dodić je pred utakmicu sa Vojvodinom rekao da se čeka da stignu.

Radnički 1923: Oni više ni sami ne mogu da pohvataju ni ko je došao, ni otišao. Ali izgleda da Marko Đorđević, iako je došao ovog leta neće igrati za njih, Krivokapić je, izgleda otišao, ne znam šta se dešava sa Cudjoem, nije igrao posle 1. kola. Mada, poznato je koliko Bekvalac voli strance. Ni za ostale ne znam ko je otišao, sem ovih što su sada pozajmljeni. Ne znam šta je sa Čonkom, on ni u Inđiji nije često igrao. Oni koji su prošle sezone bili u Pobedi, većina je tamo i ostala, ubaciću to, samo da pohvatam ko je sve još tamo.

Donji Srem: 12 Matija Šegavac (?) Ivan Gmizić (bio na pozajmici u Jakovu prošle sezone)

Čukarički: 7 Radislav Sekulić (?), 32 Mihailo Miljković (čini mi se da je u Rakovici, ali nisam siguran). Takođe ne znam šta je sa Aleksandrom Stojiljkovićem, Guerrerom, Čedomirom Radićem i Milošem Pitulićem koji su bili u Sinđeliću prošle sezone. Nisam siguran za Filipa Matovića koji je sada na pozjamici u Sinđeliću, jer on je bio igrač OFK-a, prošle sezone na pozajmici u Dinamu iz Pančeva, ako je to on. http://www.srbijafudbal.net/ofkbgd/matovic_f.htm

Voždovac: 12 Milan Opačić (golman, '96.), Filip Erić (golman, '94, bio na pozajmici u Šumadiji Jagnjilo), Miloš Smiljanić (kao i Erić, bio u Šumadiji), Vladimir Trifunović(bio pozajmljen Železniku, mislim da je tamo i ostao)

Novi Pazar: Demir Kadrić, Edin Mujković, Anes Hot (Jošanica), neki su verovatno i na dvojnoj, verovatno je i Sead Župić vraćen u Jošanicu, pošto nije licenciran za Pazar, koliko vidim.

Zvezda: Miloš Vukić(bio na pozajmici u Hajduku Beograd), Novak Martinović(mislim da je pod ugovorom sa Zvezdom, ali je valjda još uvek povređen), Nenad Cvetković i Željko Žerađanin('96 trebalo bi da su obojica na pozajmici u Rakovici), Miloš Zukanović('96, ne znam da li je ostao, ili je otišao)

OFK: 9 Miljan Škrbić, 32 Milan Sekulić(obojica su '95, čini mi se, ali ne znam šta je s njima.) Imao je OFK još dosta igrača na pozajmicama prošle sezone, a sigurno je da će ih slati i ove, ali teško da ćemo uspeti sve to da pohvatamo.

Napredak: 25 Danijel Smiljković (igrao je pretprošle sezone u prvoj ligi, ne znam gde je proveo prošlu, na srbijafudbal-u piše da je u PPT-u drugi igrač sa istim imenom i prezimenom.)

Radnički Niš: 19 Marko Mrkić(Igrao u omladincima Radničkog, godinu dana proveo u omladincima Jagodine, bio licenciran i za prvi tim, ali nije igrao. Debitovao je za Radnički sa brojem 19, ali se Marjanović vratio u Radnički i izgleda ponovo uzeo 19, tako da ne znam šta će biti s Mrkićem.)

Milsim, kod nas je vrlo teško iskopati relevantne izvore, a same informacije su vrlo često neproverene i netačne, pa vrlo često moraš da pretreseš sve moguće objave po netu ne bi li išta iskopao. Pozdrav! Lotom (talk) 15:41, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Ma imajuci u vidu koliko su nasi sajtovi slabi dobro smo uspeli i sve ovo do sada da skupimo. Danas me nije bilo a evo kasno cu da legnem, videcu jos malo veceras a vise sutra sta sve mogu da ti dodam. Od onoga sto vidim, Marko Mrkić nam je vec upisan u listu. Potpisao je za Jagodinu ponovo.

Onaj Filip Matovic izgleda da zaista jeste isti igrac, isti im je dattum rodjenja, mora da ga je Cuka kupila OFK-i, a admin sajta Srbijafudbal nije primetio. Onda, Cudjoe i Osei Bonsu su na pozajmici u Radnickom, verovatno su i dalje tamo samo Bekvalac ih ne jebe... U Radnickom bi isto trebao da bude i Luka Tiodorović, ima ga na zvanicnom sajtu ali nije jos igrao, ne znam ni dal je i dalje u klubu. Gro onih iz Jagodine je verovatno na pozajmci u Trgovackom Tabane.

Kad na Srbijafudbal bude admin postavio srpsku ligu, bice sve verovarno jasnije za mnoge igrace, do tada pokusacu da saznam sto vise podataka. FkpCascais (talk) 02:43, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

A Stefan Čolović koji je na spisku igraca na OFKinom zvanicnom sajtu a uveliko igra za Drinu iz Zvornika? Verovatno ga je OFK-a dovela iz Rada ali posto je imala zabranu registracije poslali su ga Drini, ili ga bas pozajmili... ali sve je predpostavka... FkpCascais (talk) 02:51, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Da, ali mi se čini da postoje bar dva Stefana Čolovića o kojima se priča. Ovaj o kome je reč i još jedan koji je takođe '94. godište i koji je igrao za Tottenham. Čini mi se da on stvarno igra levog beka i da je rođen u julu i ima švajcarsko državljanstvo, bio i u omladincima Bazela.

http://www.tribalfootball.com/articles/tottenham-fullback-stefan-colovic-trialling-twente-3800681#.VA0zDcJ_s_o

http://relevantxauz.epoost.com/2014/08/22/tottenham-fullback-stefan-colovic-trialling-with-twente-transfers-tribal-football/

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/eurofoot-under-19-tournament-friday-3rd-to-sunday-6-august.89005/

E sada, vidim da je na spisku igrača na prijateljskoj, igranoj pre neki dan. http://fudbalsrbija.net/romanticari-porazeni-u-krajovi/

Staviću da je ovaj iz Rada prešao u Drinu, a vidim da je tamo i Erić, bivši golman Voždovca. Zaboravio sam da napomenem Sašu Jovanovića iz Voždovca, takođe ne znam šta je s njim.

Što se Radničkog KG tiče, vidim da je Tiodorović igrao sada protiv Jagodine na prijateljskoj, ali isto vidim da neki lik redovno sređuje postavu na wiki stranici, sigurno je upoznat sa prilikama. Lotom (talk) 06:52, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Aha, znaci ima verovatno 2 Stefana Colovica... Pa koji je gde onda? Jedan, taj sto je bio u Bazelu i Totenhemu, je igrao za Svajcarsku U16 reprezentaciju, e sad koji?

Mladost Lucana je ovog leta angazovala 2 Sasa Jovanovica, ali jedan od te dvojice je posle samo nedelju/dve otisao na Maltu i porpisao tamo za neki klub, tako da je pitanje uopste i da li je potpisao za Mladost ili kao slobodan igrac samo sa njima trenirao dok nije nasao inostrani agazman, u Malti... uau... E sad koji od ta sva Sasa Jovanovica isto ne znam sigurno. FkpCascais (talk) 05:12, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Napravio sam stranu onom brazilcu iz Pazara, Bruno Oliveira de Matos. U Brazilu imaju 2 prezimena, prvo majcino drugo ocevo, pa vecina kad skrati ime koristi zadnje prezime, ali ako cak googlujes videces da njega mnogo cesce nazivaju Bruno Oliveirom... jebiga, ne znam sto, mozda je odrastao sa majkom. Cak na zerozero sajtu ima slicicu gde bas pise Bruno Oliveira, a na youtubu ima jedan video i pise Bruno Matos. Ovi u Pazaru su izgleda skontali taj zakon pa koriste vise Matos, ali izgleda da je on licno odabrao vise da koristi Oliveira... a u PM, stavio sam mu "Bruno" skraceno ime pa a u kurac. ... A inace spanci i sve zemlje gde se govori spanski imaju obrnuto, prvo ocevo prezime pa onda majcino. Pa onda Augusto Alexi Quintero Batioja bi trebao da bude Augusto Quintero, ali jebiga, i njega nesto cesce cak i u medijma u Ekvadoru zovu po majcinom prezimenu, Batioja. Kod nas kad je dosao odmah ga prozvase Batioja i od tada je ostalo... ali inace retkost za ekvadorce da koriste majcino a ne ocevo prezime.

A sto se prezimena tice, pazi Javier Cohene-a! Ne kapiram uopste kako su ga ovi iz Cacka potpisali kad je on sa reprezentacijom Palestine cak u dalekim Filipinima na Kupu Mira. Debiovao je za Palesinu upravo juce i dao gol. Ovde kod mene u Portugalu ga svi normalno zovu Javier Cohene, po ocevom prezimenu, ali posto je Cohene u stvari jevrejsko Cohen, sad ga u reprezentaciji Palestine zovu Javier Mereles, po majcinom prezimenu, da bi izbegli jevrjsko Cohene, ahahahahaha jebe lud zbunjenog... Inace, kad zavrsi Kup Mira sa Palestinom i ako zaista dodje u Cacak, dizem kapu ljudima sto su ga doveli! Decko je ovde kod mene u Portugalu bogami vec relativno poznat kao solidan stoper za srednje i manje klubove. FkpCascais (talk) 05:28, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

A ovi iz Pazara kad su predstavljali Bruna i Tintora rekli da su pri kraju pregovori sa nekim ekstra strancem napadacem... i izgleda da nema nista od toga... FkpCascais (talk) 05:33, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Baš zbog ovakvih nedoumuica se i trudim da napišem kakvu-takvu biografiju o svakom igraču koji ispunjava uslove. Saša Jovanović igra za Lučane, ovaj drugi iz Voždovca nije ostao. A taj na malti je mislim '8x godište. Što se Čolovića tiče, ovaj je igrao za Rad: http://sr.fkrad.rs/stefan-colovic, ovaj za OFK http://www.ofkbeograd.co.rs/?tip=players&show=163, a gledaj sad, na koga ti ovaj više liči: http://propaganda.photoshelter.com/image/I0000Hwe0EoKxEGU Meni se mnogo dopada Borac ove sezone. Pokriveni su bukvalno na svakoj poziciji sa 2-3 igrača i dobro su skockani. Samo ne znam šta će im ovoliki odbrambeni, ali iskreno verujem da ovaj donosi još bolji kvalitet. Pretpostavljam da će on i Ćola Miletić da igraju u tandemu, mada imaju 5-6 štopera sada. Nisu hteli da puste nekog u Slogu KV, a ona će da ispadne iz prve lige ove sezone. Nema igru uopšte, otišao je skoro ceo tim od prošle sezone. A, da ne zaboravim, jesi li gledao za onog Nigerijca iz Oriona da li ima neko skraćeno ime? Lotom (talk) 07:43, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Da dodam ovom spisku prvotimaca koji fale i nekolicinu iz subotičkog Spartaka: 3 Bojan Čiča, 23 Milan Vojvodić, 28 Aleksa Matić, koji je kao i mnogi igrao za Palić prošle polusezone, ali sada, kako Palić igra ko zna koji rang takmičenja, ne znam kuda se sada igrači ići na pozajmice. Uglavnom, bilo je sijaset igrača u Paliću. http://www.srbijafudbal.net/palic.htm Lotom (talk) 11:10, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

U Borcu mi jedino nije jasno ko je Bogdan Ivanovic na dnu liste igraca... FkpCascais (talk) 14:57, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

On je na spisku još od prošle sezone. Nisam siguran za njega, ali ne igra u prvom timu, koliko znam. Ima dosta ,,fantoma" u našem fudbalu, to je činjenica. Lotom (talk) 18:12, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Ahahaha to za fantome si potpuno u pravu. Ovih dana sam dodao neke transfere, verovatno si video, neke koje si spominjao ovde. Na stbijafudbal.net su izbacili Srpsku Ligu Beograd.

Sto se ostaloga tice, znas sta trazim bezuspesno vec godinama? Liste igraca nasih klubova iz 90-tih. Jel znas mozda gde mogu to da nadjem? FkpCascais (talk) 16:59, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Video sam za srpsku ligu, prelistao sam sve, pa ću ubaciti šta fali ovih dana. U poslednje vreme sam stalno po autobusima KV-BG i obratno, pa ne stižem da sredim mnogo toga. Videću da ažuriram što mogu do kraja septembra, jer posle sledi fax i dosta privatnih obaveza. Znam da se trudiš oko tih spiskova igrača. Ja se nisam fokusirao puno na to, ali do sada nisam nalazio neke spiskove pre 20xx-te. Iako sam u stanju da pretresem sve po netu kada nešto tražim, u ovo ne polažem baš neke nade. Tada je bilo ono ratno stanje i sve ostalo je bilo manje važno. Možda može da se iskopa ponešto, ali pitanje je i koliko je to relevantno. Lotom (talk) 18:45, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Je l' možeš da pronađeš nešto o ovom Mihailu koji se pominje na kraju teksta? http://www.fkdonjisrem.com/2014/09/moro-sleteo-u-pecince/ Takođe, kako ja kapiram ovaj spisak, izgleda da su Petković i Božičić otišli. http://www.fkdonjisrem.com/2014/09/odlucno-na-gradevinu/ Jer vidim da su ubacili ovaj naš spisak, sa nekim izmenama. Video sam na njihovom sajtu da si se raspitivao za sertifikat, ko zna da li su uopšte i videli ovaj spisak pre toga. Mada sam zapazio da su recimo ovi s Napretkovog sajta bukvalno za karijere nekih igrača iskoristili ono što sam ja pisao i samo preveli. Bar znam da nekome koristi. Lotom (talk) 17:12, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Aha video sam na sajtu Donjeg Srema kako su upotrebili nase liste odavde :D Ako, neka su. Ove sa Napredkovog sajta cekam da apdejtuju igracki kadar, jos im tamo stoji Regan -_- ... Za ovog Mihaila Dadadzea na guglu nista nema o.O Valjda je gruzijac, valjda bi trebao da bude Mikhail Dadadze, ali mi bas nista ne daje. Probacu negde da ga iskopam. Pazi OFK-u, doveli mladog slovenca iz NK Maribora, auuu i Aksentjevica! :D Brate Lotom, uradili smo (ti najvise) ovu listu transfera bas najbolje moguce. Vec sam na jednom forumu FMSerbia video kako su rekli da smo bas azurirani bas ono u pozitivnom. Ali jebote neverovatno da smo zemlja u Evropi koja obozava fudbal a da nemamo sajt kako treba... FkpCascais (talk) 04:51, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Ahahahaha znas ko je menager Dautovicu? Lian Sports :) (Ramadani-Terza, to je veza) ... Al ajde dobro... Matej mu ima vec clanak u sandboxu: User:Matej1234/Dautovic. FkpCascais (talk) 05:06, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Isti slučaj kao s Matovićem. http://www.srbijafudbal.net/napredak/petrovic_ml.htm http://www.srbijafudbal.net/radnickinis/petrovic_ml.htm Ne uspevam ništa da nađem za Vitalie Bulat-a, bio je na pozajmici... Većinu smo ubacili, ono što fali, uglavnom nema relevantan izvor, ili čak nikakav, jer bi se već nešto našlo. Za Radojevića iz Rada sam video na Javorovoj FB strani. Igrao je prijateljsku protiv Lučana. Bilo je očigledno da će Cohene nositi 6, a Radunović 3 u Borcu. Šta ti bi da stavljaš one brojeve za Slogu KV? xD Njih namerno ostavljam za kraj, pošto su moji, pa ću njih polako da sređujem. Inače, Slogina prva garnitura dresova je daCapo, a druga je Nike, koja je stara sigurno 5 godina, minimum. Još iz doba Srpske lige zapad. Zato prva garnitura ima brojeve do 24(možda čak postoji i neki dres više, jer mi se čini da sam jednom video sliku Darka Drinića u novinama dok je još igrao za Slogu sa brojem 26!), a druga samo do 18. Prvi dresovi su bele, a drugi plave boje. Ali to su više informacije za kitmaker-e na PES-u, FIFI... Inače do prošle sezone se znalo ko koji broj nosi, uglavnom, ali ako u sastav upadne neko ko inače nije među prvih 18, on onda nosi broj onog igrača koji ne igra. Međutim, kako se taj tim raspao, ovu sezonu su počeli poređani po brojevima od 1 do 18. Reč je o prvoj garnituri, naravno. E sad, videćemo šta će sezona da donese, ali se, u principu ne koristi više od 20 brojeva u sezoni. Lotom (talk) 16:03, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Ahahaha ako su brojevi pogresni, izvini :D , evo odakle sam ih stavio: link. A brojevi za SUperLigu koj sam dodao, sam dodao preko live-reporta Mozzartsporta (stavio sam linkove u edit summary). Za moldavca Bulata isto ne znam nista, ne mozemos da ga stavimo medju odlaske jer ne znamo da li je raskinuo sa OFK-om, ili je negde na pozajmici, ili negde na probi... Onaj golman Cedomir Radic je u SIndjelicu. FkpCascais (talk) 14:38, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Redovno proveravam te sajtove, bez brige. Garant postoji neka opcija sa Ramadanijem, čim je ovaj sada tu. Igrao je na pripremama, ali sam ipak mislio da nije tu. Samo me čudi kako nije isforsirao upravu da debituje za Partizan. Nije se naigrao gde god da je bio, ali ne mogu da ga pljujem unapred, samo zato što je Ramadanijev, jer mu oči u životu nisam video... A Osmančevića je doveo Dovedan, siguran sam. Obojica su iz tog kraja, koliko znam. Lotom (talk) 8:55, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

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Kosovo Status note on Kosovan Football Clubs

I just wanted to pick your brain on this because you edit both articles about Kosovo and football. I'm not entirely sure the Kosovo Status note is required on the football club articles. Kosovo is a territory (regardless if it is a country or province) which has its own football league, no one disputes this and it has had its own league since 1945; it pre-dates the dispute. The football clubs and league have nothing to do with the politics or the dispute, so I'm not sure why the status note is required. Kosovo is a territory with its own league (non-UEFA affiliated). For example, one could argue that FC Prishtina is a football club of Serbia, however as it plays in Kosovo's league, we say it is in Kosovo; this is similar to saying that Bangor City F.C. is a Welsh football club and not a British football club because it plays in the Welsh Premier League. It is my understanding that the status note is used to improve NPOV however it isn't POV to say that FC Prishtina is a football in Kosovo (without the status note) because it is a football club which plays in the Kosovo Superleague. No one disputes this. No one says that it should play in the Serbian SuperLiga or a lower Serbian league. Anyway, I just wanted to see your thoughts on the matter as I don't see why the status note is required in a non-political context. IJA (talk) 17:58, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I understand your point. It is a litle bit comparable to England, Wales, Northern Ireland or Scorland which compete separately in football, and you are basically saying that once one mentions that in the article, exemple, Dundee United is a Scottish club playing in Scottish League, that becomes unecessary to add United Kingdom to the context. However, there is a difference. FIFA and UEFA do recognise each of them as separate, but don´t recognise Kosovo. For FIFA and UEFA point of view, FC Prishtina is a club located on the territory of the Serbian Football Association, but doesn´t play in the Serbian league system, but in a "rebel" unrecognised one. However, I admit that it is not up to us to judge the decition of the Kosovo FA not to participate in the Serbian FA organised competitions and to create their own league. So, I am perfectly OK in saying that those are Kosovar clubs, playing in Kosovar leagues, etc. I just think the Kosovo status note is only necessary when mentioning where the club is located (for instance, in the infobox, when saying that the club is located on place X in Kosovo). FkpCascais (talk) 18:48, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Fair enough, however I'm sure the Serbian FA recognises the Football Federation of Kosovo as it was established in 1946, they just deem it to be sub-national and thus ineligible for UEFA/FIFA without their consent. But yeah, the status-note is only there for the location bit in the intro so it I'm not that fussed over its use in that context. I just feel that in some cases the status note is sometimes over used and used when it isn't required. For example, I removed it today from the Mother Teresa article because it was in context to Kosovo in the 19th Century and she died ten years before the declaration of independence, there was no reason for it to be there. I wouldn't be surprised if some fool were to add it to the "Battle of Kosovo" article. I believe that this status-note should not be used on anything historical prior to 2008 because it isn't relevant before 2008; there was no dispute before 2008. Don't get me wrong, the status-note is useful and is there in the spirit of NPOV but WhiteWriter (before he disappeared) seems to have added to every article on Wikipedia which mentions Kosovo. Anyway, thanks for giving me you view on the Kosovo Football Club articles. Regards IJA (talk) 21:44, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Would you object to me adding something to Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Kosovo-related articles#Kosovo note? Something along the lines of "The Kosovo note should not be used in a historical context prior to February 2008." Does that seem fair to you? IJA (talk) 21:51, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, I haven´t had much time yeasterday and today, but, no, I wouldn´t object at all, I think your proposal is fine. FkpCascais (talk) 14:26, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Brojevi

Nažalost, izgleda da ćemo i na Srbijafudbal morati selektivnije da se oslanjamo. Taman sam hteo da dodam sve ovo, ne stigoh juče, ali ti si bio brži.:) Neko je bio dodavao ove brojeve sa Srbijafudbala, međutim, bar 50% je pogrešno, kao što vidiš. Baš sam gledao OFK, da vidim za Čolovića, prebacili su onog iz Rada, a on igra za Drinu. Prelistao sam i forum FM-a i odatle malo pohvatao konce. Što ukupno znači da više nemamo ni jedan sajt na koji možemo da se oslonimo 100%. I da, treba da napišem strane za još 6 igrača koji su debitovali u ovom prvenstvu i da sredim statistiku za ostale. Ono što me zanima, ti sigurno znaš bolje jeste koje uslove treba da ispunjava klub da bi se napisala strana za njega. Pošto bih se, ako stignem, pozabavio malo nižerazrednim klubovima. I da li mogu da napišem stranu za sezonu kluba iz PLS? Takođe, ako bih ubacivao neku sliku ili logo, nisam baš siguran... Lotom (talk) 9:00, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Hehe, video sam to za brojeve, ja sam ubacio samo neke koje nismo imali i ne poklapaju njednog drugog igraca sa istim brojem, a nisam dodao recimo Mazalicu u Donjem Sremu jer ima neki drugi igrac koji ima isti broj a nije otisao tako da sam skontao da ti brojevi iz srbijafudbal.net mogu da imaju greske. Ja sam razgovarao nekoliko puta sa administratorom srbijafudbal.net i jako je fin i sve to dobrovoljno radi tako sto mu klubovi i savez dostupe podatke. E sad, ima naravno gresaka. Prva je recimo ta da kad ne zna mesto rodjenja igracima, stavi im mesto prvog kluba u kojem je igrao. Vec sam ga molio da to ne radi nego da ostavi prazno, ali nije vredelo, rekao je da je u vecini slucajeva ispadne tacno... Tako je recimo onom Marceti iz Donjeg Srema stavio bio Novi Sad jer mu je prvi klub bio iz Novog Sada, pa su ostali sajtovi to prekopirali, i tek skoro je popravio na BiH. Drugo, nacionalnost. Molio sam ga da li moze da se drzi istog principa kao mi ovde na Vikipediji, ono da stavljamo pod jedan reprezentaciju za koju igrac igra ili je igrao, pa pod dva, zemlja mesta rodjenja. Naravno, u toj drugoj tacci koristimo malo logike, recimo, onaj Curko iz Vojvodine ima SRB zastavicu iako je rodjen u Nemackoj i verovatno poseduje oba drzavljanstva, ali posto nije vezan za Nemacku korenom porodicnim niti je tako uopste igrao, nego je samo rodjen tamo jer je tata privremeno tamo igrao fudbal, onda naravno, OK, stavljamo ga pod Srbija. A srbijafudbal.net mi je rekao da im stavlja nacionalnost po nacionalnsoti koju sami igraci se deklarisu (hum, cudno) i zato na primer Alivodica stavlja pod Bosnu, jer se definise kao Bosnjak (mada ne znam kako ima pristup tim podatcima niti da li to ima igde, to gde se igraci deklarisu po nacionalnosti. U statistickom zavodu? lol).

Tako da sajt Srbijafudbal je dosta pouzdan, ali nije definitivno 100% pouzdan. Brojeve treba proveriti. Mesta rodjena su vecimom tacna, jedini koji su pod upitnikom su oni kojima stoji isto mesto rodjena od prvog njihovog kluba. Recimo, ako igracu koji je poceo karijeru u FK Vršac sttoji mesto rodjenja "Vršac", moze da bude tacno ali moze i da ne bude. A ako je poceo karijeru u Vešcu a stoji mu Zaječar, onda je sigurno tacno.

Onda, statistiku za predhodne klubove ubacuje iz njegove baze podataka od svih sezona koje ima (ima sve od 2001. pa do sada). Sto se tice stranaca i nasih sa karijerama po inostranstvu cini mi se da nalazi preko interneta, ali nisam siguran, to ga nisam pitao. Takodje video sam da ima neke igrace pobrkane, recimo Colovica kao sto su spomenuo, pa imao je onog Edin Rustemovića koji je dosao iz Nemacke u Drinu Zvornik i iz Drine u omladince Vojvodine, pa OFK-u i pozajmice, i sad je opet sa Drinom, pomesao mu je karijeru sa crnogorcem Edi Rustemovićem, nesto starijim koji je igrao u Borcu iz Cacka, Kolubari i lucanskoj Mladosti. One Nikola Vasiljević isto ima karijere od obojice zajedno pobrkane.

Za klubove, probacu da nadjem kriterijum pa cu ga postaviti. A i o tome za sezonske klubovske clanke. FkpCascais (talk) 13:56, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Hvala ti za ovo. Znači, ovo kod nas je još veći bedak nego što sam milio. Sve je na dobrovoljnoj bazi. Dobro je što imamo i ovoliko koliko imamo sada. U svakom slučaju, ja sam zahvalan za svaku informaciju koju dobijem. Ja ću da pišem te sezone za sebe, pa ću da ih čuvam u nekom dokumentu. Ili ću da sačuvam na Wiki, pa ako obrišu... I da, vidi onda za Bežaniju, ja sam stavio zastevice Portugala i Poljske za dvojicu igrača, pošto su tamo rođeni. Ti popravi, ako ne valja, pošto ja nikako da pohvatam sve kriterijume. Lotom (talk) 16:35, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Napravi slobodno sezone u Sandboxu,ja imam preko 40 sandboxova sa svim i svacim. Jos nisam siguran koji klubovi mogu da imaju sezonske clanke, ako treba pitacu na WikiProject Football, pa ako moze samo se sandbox pretvori u clanak tako sto mu se promeni ime i stavi pravi naslov. Video sam na squad od Bezanije, super si sve dodao, ja sam im bio video tu istu stranu na sajtu pre par nedelja i nisam bio znao da su napravili apdejt i dodali jos te igrace. Poljaka Cisica sam vec imao u User:FkpCascais/Sandbox31 gde imam sve strance iz nizih liga, verovatno je pravi poljak koji je dosao jos mlad kod nas sa roditeljima sigurno. A Marko Šoć je najverovatnije sin od nekog naseg igraca koji je igrao u Viseu. To je jedan gradic u unutrasnjosti Portugala daleko od mesta gde ja zivim, bio sam tamo samo jedanput jos pre 15 godina i znam da je tamo bila mala kolonija nasih sportista. Šoć je nase prezime (iz Vojvodine jel?), i Marko nase ime (u Portugalu ima ali se pise "Marco"), tako da i da ostane portugalska zastavica nije problem jer decko vrlo moguce ima duplo drzavljanstvo ali je vise nas covek tamo slucajno rodjen. A Cisic jos i zbog imena "Aleksander" sa "e" a i zucko je pravi (jesi mu video sliku?) izgleda da je pravi poljak. FkpCascais (talk) 16:04, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Bio je jedan fudbaler Šoć u OFK Beogradu 90-tih, ruku dajem da je verovatno on presao u Académico de Viseu FC i dok je tamo igrao dobio sina Marka. Ali posto Marko nije ni igrao u Portugalu, vise logike ima da mu stoji nasa zastava. A recimo sin od trenera Muslina, Marko Muslin, rodio se u Francuskoj 1985. dok mu je tata tamo trenirao, ali je tamo poceo da igra i svugde gde je igrao, igrao je kao francuz (kao domaci igrac u Nici i Monaku, pa posle kao francika u Belgiji, Bugarskoj i Svici) pa njemu je logicnije da stoji francuska zastavica gde god da igra. Bila je diskusija oko ovih slucajeva jos pre nekoliko godine na fudbalskom projektu, pa se odlucilo da za igrace koji nemaju reprezentativne nastupe koristi ovakva neka logika : zastavice zemlje mesta rodjenja, sem ako se igrac bas ono slucajno samo tamo rodio i nema nikakve veze u karijeri sa tom zemljom. Posle sam ja primenio to za nase slucajeve iz Bosne jer skoro svi imaju srpsku zastavu i onda i kad se vrate u Bosnu i igraju u, recimo Rudaru iz Prijedora, stoji im SRB zastavica kao da su igraci iz Srbije koji su dosli u Bosnu da igraju. I na transfermarktu su poceli to da menjaju i stavljaju BIH pod jedan (mada ima jos puno da se popravlja), jer je do pre godinu dve nazad ispadalo da u Bosni igra 200 stranaca na 350 igraca, a ono od tih 200 100 su bili srbi od kojih recimo 70 su bili srbi iz Bosne koji su igrali samo u Srbiji, a 100 hrvati sa istim slucajem. Nema logike da recimo jedan Nebojša Šodić igra kao stranac (srbin) u svom rodnom gradu Prijedoru samo zato sto ima verovatno dvojno drzavljanstvo i sto je igrao par sezona u Srbiji u Kuli i Apatinu. Niti ima logike da mu se menja zastavica zaviseci od toga gde igra, da mu stoji SRB zastavica kad u Srbiji i BIH zastavica kad u Bosni. Nema reprezentativne nastupe, rodjen je i igrao u Bosni, nacionalnost 1 mu je BIH i ta treba svigde da mu stoji, jer je on igrac iz Bosne koji je igrao u Srbiji, a ne igrac iz Srbije koji je dosao u Bosnu da igra. Ako Republika Srpska trazi i dobije nezavisnost jednog dana onda ce mo videti, ali do tada... :D ... FkpCascais (talk) 16:38, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Uf, ugnjavih te sada sa ovim, izvini, nisam ni trebao jer si ti bas super editor i sve bs super radis. Samo sam iskoristio ovo nekako da objasnim cak i za nekog drugog u buducnosti ako pita. A nemoj slucajno da shvatis da imam nesto protiv srba iz Bosne ili da zelim namerno BIH zastavicu da im stavljam, ja sam iz BG ali su mi pola porodice srbi iz Sarajeva i bas sam ono vezan za njih. Samo je poenta cisto fudbalska, da su to nisu igraci iz Srbije koji idu u potragu za lebom u BiH, nego su igraci iz Bosne koji su kod nas igrali ili igraju. FkpCascais (talk) 16:56, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Napravi slobodno sezone u Sandboxu,ja imam preko 40 sandboxova sa svim i svacim. Jos nisam siguran koji klubovi mogu da imaju sezonske clanke, ako treba pitacu na WikiProject Football, pa ako moze samo se sandbox pretvori u clanak tako sto mu se promeni ime i stavi pravi naslov. Video sam na squad od Bezanije, super si sve dodao, ja sam im bio video tu istu stranu na sajtu pre par nedelja i nisam bio znao da su napravili apdejt i dodali jos te igrace. Poljaka Cisica sam vec imao u User:FkpCascais/Sandbox31 gde imam sve strance iz nizih liga, verovatno je pravi poljak koji je dosao jos mlad kod nas sa roditeljima sigurno. A Marko Šoć je najverovatnije sin od nekog naseg igraca koji je igrao u Viseu. To je jedan gradic u unutrasnjosti Portugala daleko od mesta gde ja zivim, bio sam tamo samo jedanput jos pre 15 godina i znam da je tamo bila mala kolonija nasih sportista. Šoć je nase prezime (iz Vojvodine jel?), i Marko nase ime (u Portugalu ima ali se pise "Marco"), tako da i da ostane portugalska zastavica nije problem jer decko vrlo moguce ima duplo drzavljanstvo ali je vise nas covek tamo slucajno rodjen. A Cisic jos i zbog imena "Aleksander" sa "e" a i zucko je pravi (jesi mu video sliku?) izgleda da je pravi poljak. FkpCascais (talk) 16:04, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Bio je jedan fudbaler Šoć u OFK Beogradu 90-tih, ruku dajem da je verovatno on presao u Académico de Viseu FC i dok je tamo igrao dobio sina Marka. Ali posto Marko nije ni igrao u Portugalu, vise logike ima da mu stoji nasa zastava. A recimo sin od trenera Muslina, Marko Muslin, rodio se u Francuskoj 1985. dok mu je tata tamo trenirao, ali je tamo poceo da igra i svugde gde je igrao, igrao je kao francuz (kao domaci igrac u Nici i Monaku, pa posle kao francika u Belgiji, Bugarskoj i Svici) pa njemu je logicnije da stoji francuska zastavica gde god da igra. Bila je diskusija oko ovih slucajeva jos pre nekoliko godine na fudbalskom projektu, pa se odlucilo da za igrace koji nemaju reprezentativne nastupe koristi ovakva neka logika : zastavice zemlje mesta rodjenja, sem ako se igrac bas ono slucajno samo tamo rodio i nema nikakve veze u karijeri sa tom zemljom. Posle sam ja primenio to za nase slucajeve iz Bosne jer skoro svi imaju srpsku zastavu i onda i kad se vrate u Bosnu i igraju u, recimo Rudaru iz Prijedora, stoji im SRB zastavica kao da su igraci iz Srbije koji su dosli u Bosnu da igraju. I na transfermarktu su poceli to da menjaju i stavljaju BIH pod jedan (mada ima jos puno da se popravlja), jer je do pre godinu dve nazad ispadalo da u Bosni igra 200 stranaca na 350 igraca, a ono od tih 200 100 su bili srbi od kojih recimo 70 su bili srbi iz Bosne koji su igrali samo u Srbiji, a 100 hrvati sa istim slucajem. Nema logike da recimo jedan Nebojša Šodić igra kao stranac (srbin) u svom rodnom gradu Prijedoru samo zato sto ima verovatno dvojno drzavljanstvo i sto je igrao par sezona u Srbiji u Kuli i Apatinu. Niti ima logike da mu se menja zastavica zaviseci od toga gde igra, da mu stoji SRB zastavica kad u Srbiji i BIH zastavica kad u Bosni. Nema reprezentativne nastupe, rodjen je i igrao u Bosni, nacionalnost 1 mu je BIH i ta treba svigde da mu stoji, jer je on igrac iz Bosne koji je igrao u Srbiji, a ne igrac iz Srbije koji je dosao u Bosnu da igra. Ako Republika Srpska trazi i dobije nezavisnost jednog dana onda ce mo videti, ali do tada... :D ... FkpCascais (talk) 16:38, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Taman posla, ionako me je zanimalo kojom se logikom vodiš prilikom ovoga. Za Poljaka sam i ja siguran, jedino za Šoća, upravo zbog svega što si naveo. Jer naših ima svuda po svetu i onda... Recimo Kanada, Australija, Švajcarska, Austrija i još neke, gde je to baš izraženo. Ja, doduše, zemlje bivše SFRJ i dalje ne smatram potpuno stranim, jer nam se jezici ne razlikuju previše. Još nisam koristio Sandbox, ne stižem ni ovako sve što isplaniram. Zabaviću se malo time ovih dana, ako stignem. Krećem na fax od ponedeljka, pa koliko mi vreme i eventualno wi-fi bude dozvoljavao... Lotom (talk) 10:05, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Ma da, to "stranci" za igrace iz veceg dela bivse Juge je smesno. Pa eto moj rodjak Bojan Regoje da dodje u Srbiju da igra bi bio kao "stranac" hahaha. Da mu mozda ne bi trebao prevodilac :D a ne znam na planeti vecih srbenda od tih mojih Regoja. Ali eto, i Tole i savez su sami napravili zakon da se svi racunaju kao stranci (ok, ako imaju dvojno drzavljansvo nisu, ali mnogi klinci sad od po 18-20 i nove generacije iz RS i CG vise nemaju), tako da su ove liste "foreign players" u nasem slucaju u svari liste igraca kojima srpsko nije prvo drzavljanstvo. Jos mi nije odgovorio jedan admin za ove sezone, mozda je vikend a vidim da ga nema na viki ovih dana, sacekacu do sutra pa cu pitati drugoga. Sandbox ne znam da li znas, pravis ga tako sto samo napravis link User:Lotom/Sandbox1 i pises tamo sta hoces. Posle sledecu stavis Sandbox2, 3,4,itd. U principu bi trebali sandboxi biti samo potencijalni clanci, ali mislim ti niko nece gledati sandbox i mozes sta hoces u njemu da stavljas, ja ih imam puno i u njima pisem svasta od statistika, do tekstova i gluposti, i niko me nikad nije nista pitao za njih. FkpCascais (talk) 03:36, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		I have noticed your edits and appreciated them greatly. Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. Cheers! Antidiskriminator (talk) 07:31, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Many many thanks Antidiskriminator! I am very flattered by your recognition. I hope you are fine and poke me whenever you feel to. Best regards! FkpCascais (talk) 12:15, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Aleksandar Duric

I went through numerous sources on the Serbian division two club he played for but they are conflicting each other on the exact club, and I could find no definitive answer. NFT states Sloga Skopje, a Macedonian club while other sources list Sloga Požega as the club. If you could find the actual club he played for using Bosnian or Serbian sources, please drop me a message. I would love to know too. Much appreciated. LRD 15:01, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I saw those clubs mentioned but I suspected they could be a result of a mistake as his first club was named Sloga (FK Sloga Doboj). He certainly played in the Doboj one. Of the others mentioned, the Macedonian one is FK Sloga Jugomagnat from Skopje, and the Serbian one is FK Sloga Požega. I doubt that he had played in the Macedonian one, it is probable that knowing that he had played in a club named FK Sloga that someone tought it was the one from Skopje as it was the only Sloga one playing in a top-level back then in the entire region, so it was like the most well known one. The other mentioned, the Požega one, FK Sloga Požega by that time was playing in a lower level than the second one. The only Sloga playing in the second level by then was FK Sloga Kraljevo who got promoted to the second level of FR Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro) in 1992, 1992–93 Second League of FR Yugoslavia (source). But, we don´t know for sure if the club he played in the second level in Serbia, as he is telling us, was even called Sloga (or is it just those websites making confusion with Sloga Doboj), and, we don´t know the exact season either. I´ll try to search more but it is hard because despite the good quality of the seecond level back then, the sources available nowadays are scarse. Even if I find match-reports, they often mention only the surnames, and Đurić (also written as Djurić) is quit a common surname in the region, a litle bit like Smith or Johnson in UK. Playerhistory.com, which is still not working, says he played in FK Sloga Kraljevo in the season 1992/93. You can see a copy of his page at soccerdatabase . eu (I can´t post the link because is blacklisted here at Wikipedia). I´ll try to see if I can find more info and will let you know LRD, best regards! FkpCascais (talk) 02:05, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

We have a fellow wikipedian who is FK Sloga Kraljevo fan, User:Lotom, I will ask him if he knows something and if he can confirm if he played in Kraljevo. FkpCascais (talk) 02:10, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Cheers for the help. It would be nice to fill in a missing part of his history. Out of curiosity, why is soccerdatabase.eu blacklisted? LRD 02:15, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Just had a look at that website. Seems I got confused with footballdatabase.eu, of which many articles have as an external link, hence the curiosity. I could sort of get a feel why soccerdatabase is blacklisted. Cheers and have a nice day. LRD 02:26, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

(ec) From what I heard it´s because there was a missunderstanding among administrators of Playerhistory.com and one of them went out and created soccerdatabase.eu where he created an exact copy of playerhistory without consent. Håkon André Winther made efforts here on en.wiki claiming rights of the content and got soccerdatabase to be blacklisted. I remember him personally asking for it at WP:FOOTY, it´s in the archives of the discussions. Or, exemple, see this from the time it was still not blacklisted :D FkpCascais (talk) 02:39, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Just went through the archives regarding playerhistory.com to get a better view of the dispute. It seems that while the 'legit' site (www.playerhistory.com) has been and continues to be down, the mirror site has outlived any 'legal action' the owner of PH had taken. I have never used PH before so I am unaware of any merits the site may have. Thankfully we have good alternatives in soccerway and the likes. LRD 03:35, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Oh, but I have been dealing with many players that soccerway doesn´t have cause they only cover the last 7-8 seasons, and for players from the past playerhistory.com has been often the only source with stats from the 1970s, 80s, 90s. I used it a lot and I miss it very much. Their search engine has been one of the most helpfull tools for me for finding careers of retired players. Footballdatabase.eu is also helpfull, but includes much less statistical data of appearances and goals. FkpCascais (talk) 06:26, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Which other sources do you use for career statistics? I use soccerway in general - good overview layout that's easy for updates - but as you said, the data is limited to more recent years. Soccerbase is good for English league players but they too suffer from the same problem as soccerway. Ligue1.com is my to-go-to for French league players. For international stats, there's NFT but their data is sometimes inaccurate or incomplete. What do you use for players from the Balkans as presumably you are from the region, and are there any good sources for older generation or retired players? cheers. LRD 06:46, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

I can't confirm, but I think that he didn't play for FK Sloga Kraljevo, I give less than 1% that he played for. See his interview. There are too fake sources, maybe I can ask some older people, but I don't believe thay remember players from that time. Lotom (talk) 9:03, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Igraci klubova iz devedesetih godina

Ne znam zasto si se zaustavio sa trazenjem podataka o igracima klubova u sezonama devedesetih godina. Ako imas vremena nastavi sa trazenjem podataka o tim igracima, a ja sam te pitao zasto si se zaustavio sa trazenjem tih podataka. Jolicnikola (talk) 20:12, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Nisam se zaustavio, bas naprotiv, prosle nedelje sam poceo da popunjavam u sandboxu timove iz 90-tih. Jel na to mislis? FkpCascais (talk) 21:11, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Invitation for discussion: Serbia national basketball team

Hey, one more invitation for a discussion here: Final disscussion: Results/medals history. Please, participate.--AirWolf ^talk 13:28, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

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Maps

G'day Fkp. I suggest asking User:XrysD on Commons to make what is needed. Excellent map maker, uses good quality source maps. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 22:20, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the suggestion. I think we may need at least two better maps than the ones we have on commons, one for the Serbian Empire, and another one for the territories ruled by Louis the Great. FkpCascais (talk) 14:15, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

László Fenyvesi

I'm trying to find some sources, but there aren't any as far as I can see. If I find any I'll send them to you. Good day! PeppermintSA (talk) 17:34, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

Bulgarian vassalage

Hi, I noticed you added some info to the articles on a couple of articles about a vassal relationship between Bulgaria and Serbia. You've used a single source and I failed to find the statement from it that backs up such an extraordinary claim. I am really unsure if sources agree on long-lasting vassalage as you suggest. While there is no question of Ivan Stefan being a puppet of Serbia, he was quickly dethroned. I fail to see any sources backing up claims of Ivan Alexander being a vassal. A royal marriage is hardly a proof of vassalage. And where did the year 1365 come from? I see you have specifically searched for the words "Bulgaria, vassal, Dushan" in order to come up with the source. My own search produced a dozen of books non of which supported the claim of a 34-year-long vassalage. --Laveol ^T 03:55, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

I actually started searching those wordsd because they are the translation of a schoolbook I have in Croatian so I went out seing what it has about it on English. I am not sure why you are not seing this source opening to a page (8 lines from the bottom) where you can read: "But in 1330, the Serbs... ...stretching from the Danube to the gulf of Arta, and including Bulgaria as a vassal state, 1331-1365." I suppose that fact is not much insisted by neither Serbs nor Bulgarians because it ruins our friendly relations and it doesn't mean much neither for the Serbs as it all ended badly with Dushans death and Ottoman invasion, but there are plenty of indications Bulgaria was vassal of Serbia after the Battle of Velbazhd: it didn't lost territory not because Dushan didn't wanted Bulgaria, but because it became vassal, and Bulgarian patriarch didn't crowned him because he fancied Dushan but because he was his suzeraign. Its quite late in the place I am, Lisbon (4:27 in the morning), and I haven't slep yet, but tomorrow I plan to dig more into this. The search I made using Dushan is not good because there are different spellings, however, anyway, I found that there is too little written about Serbia - Bulgaria relationship in that period in both Serbian and Bulgarian articles. Regards, FkpCascais (talk) 04:28, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

I beleave I also used this source which says (pag. 35 by the middle): "Bulgarias tsar, whose sister Dushan had married, became his vassal." but this one doesn't mention the years as the previous one does. FkpCascais (talk) 04:38, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

Good relations have never stopped Bulgaria and Serbia from whitewashing their history or claiming superiority one over the other :) However, the whole vassal thing does look rather unlikely. Especially with Bulgaria waging its separate wars during the period. And even more so with Ivan Aleksandar keeping the title of Tsar. The book's preview does not include the page with the text you mention. The years are sometimes listed as the period in which Ivan Alexander reigned. This is the only possible explanation I can find. From what I see of the page, it reads, "it boundaries stretched from the Danube on the North to the gulf of Arda and the channel of Euboea on the South;" There is nothing about "..., including Bulgaria".

I will remove the statement for now. It looks like a fringe view and it is not even backed up by any sources. The situation with Serbia and Bulgaria is already mentioned in the articles, too. --Laveol ^T 04:58, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

"But in 1330, the Serbs... ...stretching from the Danube to the gulf of Arta, and including Bulgaria as a vassal state, 1331-1365."

Every source I added include it, and now there are at least 5 sources clearly talking about Bulgarian vassalage to Serbia, perhaps you missed the page, not sure. I listed them at the talk page of Second Bulgarian Empire. Regards, FkpCascais (talk) 00:23, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

SL East

Ma mogao si meni da ostaviš ubacio bih ja to sve ovih dana, nego se trudim da vodim neku evidenciju koliko-toliko, gde, ko, šta, kako... Ima i onih koji nisu više pod ugovorom sa klubom, a vode se da su na pozajmici, pa dok to isproveravam i iščeprkam... Opet ponavljam, vodim neku evidenciju za sebe, jer drugačije ne bih mogao da se snađem. Ima još nekoliko starih transfera + SL istok. Pitanje da li bi Bonsu debitovao da Neško nije došao, jer ga je Bekvalac držao u nemilosti, a Čapljić skoro da i nije bio na klupi. Neško ga je trenirao u Radniku i već ga poznaje. Za Vujnovića me je prešao komentator na Areni, pa nisam ni obraćao pažnju, a jedva sam i gledao na oči... Za Čolovića iz OFK-a koliko sam mogao da nađem razdvojeno, to sam i ubacio. Njih trojica su debitovali u JSL sad za vikend, sve do sada je sređeno. Treba da ubacim još ove nove igrače koji fale po klubovima i da sredim statistiku posle ovog kola. JSL i PLS održavamo koliko-toliko redovno, ja pokušavam pomalo i srpske like, ali sporo to ide, nema se vremena, a nije baš preterano zanimljivo. Uglavnom moja Sloga već ispada iz lige, nažalost. Lotom (talk) 6:38, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

Video sam sta si sve uradio, stvarno fantastican posao radis. Onaj lik sa srbijafudbal.net je stvarno jako koristan jer jedino kod njega mozemo da nadjemo sve podatke kod igraca svih sezona od 2001. do sada. Steta samo sto izbrise sve igrace koji odu, ranije je ostavljao sve stare profile igraca, ali sad ih brise, pa bi bilo dobro da kad dodajemo njegov sajt kao izvor stavimo i "retrieved" jer ako igrac ode vani, posle ce biti mrtav link. Jedino mu zameran sto mesta rodjenja ubacuje bezveze, recimo za tog Vujnovica stoji Obrenovac jer mu je obrenovacki Radnicki prvi klub kod njega u bazi podataka a decko je dosao iz CG cak je tamo grao za neke klubove kao junior secam se da sam negde bas o njemu citao pre godinu dana. To mu bas zameram, ne znam sta ga kosta da ostavi prazno polje za mesto rodjenja kod igraca za koje ne zna. Za Colovica nisam jos nasao njegove nastupe za Svajcarsku U17, imao sam negde taj link sacuvan naci cu ga. Bonsu je igrao za Ganu na tom CHAN-u kako ga zovu a to su kao B reprezentacije, odnosno prvenstvo africkih reprezentacija sastavljenih samo od igraca iz domacih liga. FkpCascais (talk) 10:08, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

Pratim tvoju Slogu, bas ste pukli skroz ove sezone :( FkpCascais (talk) 10:09, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

Ne bih da se mešam puno. Zapazio sam slučajno, naravno da srbijafudbal taj sajt nema sve pod jedan i pod dva nije sigurno validan za sve. Postoje godišnjaci. Ja imam do 2008/09 sezone ovih par novijih nemam jbg. Javite se, ako vam treba neki info za domaću ligu, to se barem lako može srediti. Mors (talk) 23:35, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Nekako sam nakrpio sve ono glavno od transfera što je falilo, za D. Kadrića iz Pazara sam okačio dodatak štampane verzije Žurnalovog dodatka za naše niže lige, ali dosta je ,,težak" fajl, pa google ne može da ga prikaže. Stavio sam da je pozajmica, mada nije greška kako god, jer im je to filijala. Jedino je pitanje da li je još uvek tamo, ali sad... Možda fali još ponešto, dodaćemo naknadno. Ubaciću na stranicama klubova ove pozajmice koje su nam poznate.

Mors, hvala i od mene, svaki vid pomoći je dobrodošao. Lotom (talk) 8:41, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

IGRAČI PREDRATNI U DRŽAVNOJ LIGI

Pozdrav svaka čast za ovo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:FkpCascais/Sandbox39. Dobar posao ali ima grešaka, jer naravno ko vredno radi mora da pogreši. Ovo sam ja pokrenuo sajt, uradio sam za sad prvu sezonu biće i ostale: http://www.exyufudbal.in.rs/statistika/prva-liga/24-prva-liga-kraljevina/344-1922-1923 (a inače sam i ja uploader one knjige Bačke što si koristio kao izvor ;) ) Zanima me odakle ti postava S.A.Š.K., tj igrači, i drugo što htedoh da pitam, čini mi se da nije sve sa sajta povijestdinama ili grešim? Kasnije za Iliriju pominješ V. Župančič, E. Župančič, odakle ti to? Ja imam info sledeći, bilo je 5 Župančiča (obično su označeni I, II, III, IV i V). Četiri su bila braća M.,L.,J. i G. Župančič i peti je D. Župančič što je i kod tebe. Zato te pitam za ovo V i E mi nije jasno. :) Ima tu još greškica (prvo ovo za Građanski što uključuje nastupe u ZNP) pa do imena i prezimena još ali otom potom. Svaka čast inače za ostatak. Javi se, pa ono. Imam dosta toga. Mors (talk) 23:30, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Veliki pozdrav Mors, bas mi je drago da ste me kontaktirali. Ja vas znam sa foruma ex yu fudbal u kojem ne ucestvujem ali ga pratim. Ne ucestvujem ne zato sto ne zelim, naprotiv, nego zato sto nemam vremena, a mnogo puta sam hteo da se logujem I pitam svasta. Mrdju I vas redovno citam. Vama sam par puta bas hteo da odgovorim, mislim da je zadnji put bilo kad ste pitali, ako se ne varam, o Strnadu a ja sam mu bas bio napravio clanak ovde mozda par meseci pre nego sto ste tamo pitali o njemu. Znam da ste uradili fantastican rad sa sajtom povijestdinama, svaka vam cast.

Ja sam poceo da editujem vikipediju pre jedno 5-6 godina. editujem skoro iskljucivo englesku vikipediju. Moj pristup je nesto drugaciji od vecine drugih nasih ljudi, jer je meni glavni cilj da prikazujem nas fudbal ostatku sveta, ne toliko nasima. Tome je doprineo moj zivotni put. U Spaniji I Portugalu sam jos od 1988. godine. Fudbal obozavam od malena, I naravno besprekorno sam pratio nase igrace u inostranstvu. Veliki uticaj na mene je imao nacin gledanja na fudbal koji postoji na Iberijskom poluostrvu. Oni se hvale stranim igracima koji radje igraju u njihovim klubovima nego u boljim klubovima u svojim zemljama (smatraju to kao moc Spanije i Portugala prema drugim zemljama "mi vam dovodimo najbolje igrace, jer mozemo", potpuno obrnuto od nas koji gledamo na strance skoro kao neprijatelje koji oduzimaju mesto nasima i ne shvatamo njihovo prisustvo kao plus za nasu ligu i zemlju (steta sto vlada takav negospodski mentalitet kod nas). To je meni odmah dalo signal da je cinjenica da mi izvozimo tolike igrace u sustini jedan jadan podatak, i tada sam se preokrenuo sa lista nasih igraca po inostranstvu (koje skoro svaki balavac kod nas pravi), na liste stranih igraca u ex-Jugi jer, ipak ih je bilo i nekih cak veoma dobrih i interesantnih. Mogu da se pohvalim time da sam mozda prvi u svetu koji je napravio detaljniju listu stranih igraca u celoj bivsoj Jugoslaviji i naravno tu listu i dalje popunjavam. Posto sam popunio vecinu pos-90-tih I SFRJ period, bacio sam se na skupljanje spiskova igraca iz pre drugog svetskog rata. I tu sam naravno ne samo jurio strance, nego poceo da pravim spiskove timova jer sam video da toga nigde na internet nema. Sto se predratnog fudbala tice, na vikipediji kad sam poceo da editujem sam nasao situaciju da je samo bilo profila glavnih predratnih jugoslovenskih reprezentativaca i skoro apsolutno nista vise od toga. Napravio sam brojne clanke klubova koje su mi posle prekopirali na sr,hr,si, vikipedije, kao i igraca. Tako da je moj prvenstveni interes strani igraci i treneri kod nas. Ali naravno to mi je samo prentsveni interes, inace interesuje me sve. :)

Sto se konkretno tog sandboxa tice, svestan sam da ima gresaka. Koristim sve zivo sto mogu preko internet da se docepam kao izvore. Koristio sam vas sajt za podatke o Gradjanskim, koristio sam knjigu "Fudbal u Kraljevini Jugoslaviji" za mnoge klubove (problem je sto recimo u knjizi nabraja sastav tima ali samo pise godina, recimo 1937. i onda covek ne zna da li je 1936/37 ili 1937/38 sezona. Slovenacke i mnoge druge sastave sam preuzeo preko digitaalizacije slovenckih novena iz tog perioda na kojima su imali izvestaje utakmica lige i naravno detaljno uvek o utakmicama Ilirije, Primorja, odnosno kasnije, SK Ljubljane. SASKove sastave sam preuzeo iz nekog od tih izvora (zavisi od sezone). Izvore sam stavio na pocetak svake sezone, jedino fali knjiga Fudbal u K. Jugoslaviji koja vazi kao izvor za mnoge timove raznih sezona. Digitalnu Politiku sam takodje dosta prelistao mada mi fali mnogo jos da prelistam. U Lisabonu sam pa ovde ima samo pristup stvarima koje su na internetu. Ako znate jos stranaca iz tog perioda koji mi fale na List of foreign footballers in top leagues of former Yugoslavia kazite mi i bicu vam vecno zahvalan. Racunam i strance koji su igrali u podsaveznim prvim ligama, a i u ratnim ligama. Kazite mi greske koje imam na sandbox i trenere, a inace na ovoj strani imam listu izvora User:FkpCascais/Sandbox17. Takodje me inturesuju eoma devedesete u FR Jugoslovenkoj prvoj ligi (njih isto pravim po sezonama ali sam tek poceo, cupavo ide User:FkpCascais/Sandbox40. Cij mi je jednog dana da imam celu bazu podataka, barem za prvu ligu, od 1923 pa sve do sada, ako moguce za sve lige. Srdacan pozdrav! FkpCascais (talk) 01:50, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Prvo samo ispravka nije moj sajt povijestdinama.com, jer ja nemam veze sa Dinamom ja sam iz Srbije, to je delo mog kolege (u ovom hobiju) iz Zagreba Tomislava Piskora i njegovih ljudi! Mada priznajem da sam malčice i ja pripomogao oko ispravki nekih greškica itd. I nisam ja pitao o Strandu, pomešali ste me sa nekim. Hvala na lepim rečima. Što se tiče tog foruma ima dosta svakakog sveta, pokrenuo sam ovaj sajt pa ako ste zainteresovani da se pridružite, uvek je potreban dodatna ruka. Ne volim ovu wikipediju i kucanje, komunikaciju tu. Iako sam vrlo računarski pismen, čak i za nekog ko nije izgleda više komplikovano nego što treba i da iskreno kažem dosađuje. Moj mejl je mctoxic88@gmail.com pa mi se obratite molim vas na mejl da nastavimo razgovor bio bih vam zahvalan, pa ću vam objasniti još neke stvarčice itd. Svako dobro Mors (talk) 19:03, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

Zima 2015

Napravio sam transfer listu u sandbox-u, pa kad se završi polusezona da složimo klubove po rangu i da pretvorimo u članak. Lotom (talk) 17:03, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

Super! Za sada znam samo za Vidakovića koji je napustio Novi Pazar. FkpCascais (talk) 21:49, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

Информација о предмету

Поштовани уредниче, у вези са страницом око македонског спора са Грчком, неке информације можете наћи и на страници за разговор [9] . поздрав, 178.221.217.96 (talk) 12:15, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Gospodine Janev, ja moram odmah da vam kažem da ja ne posedujem ni približno dovoljno poznavanje ove problematike da bih se uopste usudio da pišem o njoj. Sve što sam vam odgovorio na drugim stranama je bilo samo da vam pomognem oko principa i zakona vikipedije da bi ste mogli da dodate što želite a da vam ga ne izbrišu, i indirektno sam vam hteo reći da je najbolje da sami dodate sve u članak. Ako imate izvore i ako dodate tekst napisan na neutralan način, neće niko moći da vam ga izbriše. Vidim da su vas kaznili zbog sockpuppetry tako da mogu da vam izbrišu to što dodate, ali pogledajte ako može neki kolega vaš koji ima isti pogled na ovu problematiku kao i vi, sa neke druge IP adrese da uredi članak. Ja lično uređujem najviše relativno površne teme kao istoriju fudbala sa naših prostora i ponekad nešto vezano za teme iz Srbije i bivše Jugoslavije, a pored toga takođe pomažem oko sporova između urednika sa različitim stavovima da nađu dogovor i da svoja uređivanja približe vikipedijskom standardu i zakonima. Manji broj ljudi uređuje ovako specifične političke članke kao što je ovaj o kojem govorimo. Mali broj urednika ga uređuje jer ima interes i znanje o toj tematici, a onda postoji veći broj urednika koji samo uređuju detalje unutar članka. Ti što imaju interes o toj tematici vrlo često ga uređuju na način koi se podudara sa njihovim ličnim pogledom, tako da zbog toga mnogi članci mogu da budu tendenciozni i da ne prikažu realnost kompletno. Kao što ti urednici uređuju članak na njihov način, tako je najbolje da vi nađete nekoga sa vremenom, znanjem i istim pogledom na temu kao vi, i uredite članak. Ja mogu da vam pomognem koliko mogu oko vikipedijinih principa i zakona, pa da tekst koji dodate ne bude mogao da bude izbrisan i da adekvatno predstavlja ovu problematiku. Srdačan pozdrav, FkpCascais (talk) 22:51, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Dragi uredniče, osoba koja Vam se javila nije Igor Janev, a takođe ni ja nisam Igor Janev. U svakom slučaju, veliko Vam hvala na savetima.

Ako Igor Janev promeni odluku i bude hteo da se postavi na Vikipediju, uzećemo u obzir sve Vaše Savete , pozdrav i najbolje želje212.200.218.133 (talk) 01:13, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

Hvala Vama, srdačan pozdrav, FkpCascais (talk) 09:56, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

Zdravo

Negde u martu ove godine učestovao si u diskusiji o delu članka "Rat na Kosovu". Tada je zaključeno da ovaj sporni deo treba poništiti.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kosovo_War/Archive_6#Morale_Section_Should_be_Eliminated

Međutim, korisnik koji ti je verovatno poznat, je nenadano i bez ikakvog razloga vratio taj sporni i veoma neobjektivan deo.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kosovo_War&diff=635721745&oldid=635432364

Zamolio bih te kao iskusnog urednika da nam se priključiš u diskusiji i da obavestiš, ako možeš, ikoga ko bi mogao da gore pomenutog korisnika upozori na takvo ponašanje. Video sam da on ima neke svoje stavove koje protura kada misl da ga nikoo ne gleda.

Hvala unapred. 212.178.243.185 (talk) 09:28, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

Vladimir Stojković

Olá meu caro, tudo bem? Aqui o antigo AlwaysLearning, fiz destruir a conta depois de uma desavença (para não lhe chamar outra coisa) com um cabrão por causa da 2014 UEFA Europa League Final, esse "senhor" tinha a certeza que o Benfica tinha sido roubado e vandalizou tudo (ele e outros, pelos menos os IPs vinham de duas cidades nesses messes entre Maio e Julho) no Michel Platini, etc, etc.

Um dos mais imbecis (atenção, até pode ser só um, pode ter ido passar férias à casa da avozinha) foi este, vê esta discussão nojenta (aqui http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:188.81.115.107) e o que ele escreveu no nome do Beto (Portuguese footballer, born 1982) (aqui http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Beto_(Portuguese_footballer,_born_1982)&diff=621282219&oldid=620829402). Depois, quando eu disse que me ia embora, ia às páginas onde eu tinha escrito e provocava, dizendo "Bye AL"...palhaço de merda!

Bom, mas o que é facto é não consigo abandonar isto, devo estar "viciado" :) Sobre o título da minha mensagem, quantas internacionalizações é que tem o homem, 59, 58, 57? Só sei que: 1 - o jogo com a Albânia, de momento, encontra-se em "banho-maria", se o jogo for mesmo anulado após recurso, a "cap" não contará, mas há utilizadores que continuam a alterar o total a toda a hora, sem sumário como é habitual; 2 - Segundo o NFT.com, são 55 jogos pela Sérvia (+1 jogo não homologado).

Obrigado desde já, um abraço português --84.90.219.128 (talk) 17:24, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

• Não sei se percebeste, mas os insultos não foram para ti, foram para o gajo que se meteu comigo, o tal 188.81.115.107. Não percebo o silêncio se estás activo aqui, mas não incomodo mais. Tchau! --84.90.219.128 (talk) 02:10, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Percebi, claro :) nao te preocupes, ee so que estou a ter problemas com um gajo que fiz queixa dele a ANI e estou com pouco tempo agora, mas prometo ver isto, se bem que nem sei bem como ficou isso quanto ao jogo contra a Albania, se o jogo conta ou nao. FkpCascais (talk)

Obrigado, e desculpa mais uma vez as pressas :( --84.90.219.128 (talk) 02:35, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Straw Poll

There is a straw poll that may interest you regarding the proper use of "Religion =" in infoboxes of atheists.

The straw poll is at Template talk:Infobox person#Straw poll.

--Guy Macon (talk) 09:18, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

Kosovo at the Olympics

Template:Infobox Olympics Kosovo
Kosovo Serb athletes participated for Serbia and SCG/Yugoslavia. in 2012, a Kosovar Albanian participated for Albania, meaning that the OCK was represented under the Albanian flag.

It's not about which country Kosovo was, because in that case, from 2008 Kosovo did not participate at the Olympics, however Serbians from Kosovo participated for Serbia.

--PjeterPeter (talk) 19:02, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Battle of Kosovo

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Kosovo&diff=638543956&oldid=638534801 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.178.230.159 (talk) 09:18, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Richard Falcão

Ko je ovaj lik? Provlači se da je pristupio Pazaru, ali nisam siguran da je to još zvanično. Lotom (talk) 18:21, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

Video sam i ja. Isto ne znam je li zvanično ili je samo najavljen. FkpCascais (talk) 21:25, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

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Kosovo at the Olympics (part 2)

Majlinda Kelmendi is Kosovar athlete that participated under the Albanian flag in 2012, and therefore the flag of Albania remains in the infobox. If you decide to revert the edits, I will report this as a Wikipeda dispute resolution. Kosovo will participate as an independent country in the 2016 Rio Games, and therefore its history is written below at the 'Other Appearances'. Cheers. --PjeterPeter (talk) 17:27, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Kelmendi participated on her own will under Albanian flag. But WE ARE NOT adding all flags of all athletes that decide on their own to participate for some other country, as an entire country "related participation". Numerous Kenyans compete in the Olympics for other nations, and that doesn't make those countries "related participations" of Kenya. Related participations are for countries within which the athletes competed officially in the qualifiers. Teams from Kosovo didn't participate in the Albanian qualifiers for the Olympics. You don't undertand what "related participation" is. FkpCascais (talk)

Faisalamries

I was recently doing some more cleanup of Zombie433 edits and came across this comment of yours. Since no one appears to have followed up on it, I thought I would. At this point, I'm fairly convinced that this user is not Zombie433. This is mostly based on the subject of articles edited. Zombie did not have the same singular focus on Malaysian football that Faisalamries does. Additionally, Zombie was never so persistent in reinstating the false edits. (It's how they managed to get away with it for so long.) I thought I'd let you know. Cheers. Sir Sputnik (talk) 01:23, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Thank you Sir Sputnik, I myself later on noticed the attention Faisalamries gave to Malaysian football and started having doubts that it could be Zombie, although I didn't made any further comments there on the thread anymore. Hope you had nice holydays, best regards! FkpCascais (talk) 04:15, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Keisuke Ogawa

I guess you took information about Ogawa playing for FK Liepāja from Instat football of Latvian Higher League, but they made a mistake. The only Japanese player who played for FK Liepāja in 2014 was Keisuke Hoshino. Ogawa was in Latvia in 2013 while playing for FC Jūrmala but has never returned since. Check Soccerway, Transfermarkt or any other statistics resource for evidence. Cheers and best regards!

--LatvianFootball (talk) 21:10, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

LatvianFootball, check Soccerway? Yes, I checked. Did you checked it? They clearly say he played one game for FK Leipaja on 29-3-2014 against BFC Daugavpils. FkpCascais (talk) 19:58, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Keisuke Ogawa precision

It's meant Keisuke Hoshino there, not Ogawa. Soccerway has made a mistake following Instat. Check out FK Liepāja squad for the 2014 season on the website of Latvian Football Federation. Ogawa was never there, Hoshino it is. (I also watched the match for double proof!) :) http://www.lff.lv/lv/turniri/viriesu-turniri/smscredit-lv-virsliga/sastavi/fk-liepaja/

--LatvianFootball (talk) 22:37, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Kosovo at the Olympics

Set the record straight:

• 1. The Albanian flag stays in at the infobox, because Majlinda Kelmendi who was originally qualified for Kosovo (but wasn't able to participate) had to choose Albania. Therefore, a Kosovo-qualified Olympian participated under the Albanian flag, due to the resistance from the IOC to recognise Kosovo.

• 2. If you remove the Albanian flag, you have to automatically remove Serbia as well, because Kosovo has been independent de facto since 2008, before the 2008 Summer Olympics took place, and that independence has been recognised by the IOC as well.

Now I can assume your decision, but think twice; this is about the athletes, not countries. Albania stays in.. Serbia as well. Cheers. --PjeterPeter (talk) 21:29, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Next revert of your and I will ask for your blocking. Your edits are not agreed, you are edit-warring, I am fed up. If you continue edit-warring I will report you at ANI. Please, seek dispute resolution or 3OP if you are so convinced of your arguments. FkpCascais (talk) 23:05, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Reasons why the Albanian flag must mentain in the infobox

If you've missed my reply, I'll copy it here, just for you.

Albania should be included in the infobox for the following reasons:

1. Following Kosovo's independence and the IOC's resistance to recognise Kosovo, athletes born there, decided to participate under the flags of Serbia and Albania. Therefore, if the Serbian flag stays in the infbox, the Albanian one should as well, as those were the official other-related appearances of Kosovo's athletes (and let's not forget that the basic rule of the Olympics is that the competition is about the athletes, not their countries of origin).
2. If the Albanian flag is removed from the infobox, because *apparently* you can't add athlete's personal choices' countries, then you should remove Serbia as well, because de facto Kosovo was not part of Serbia since February 2008 (before the 2008 Summer Olympics)
3. This case is similar to the Independent Olympic Team appearance. Basically if athletes from one country can't participate for their country (like Kosovar athletes for Kosovo), they participate under ANOTHER flag, in this case the IOP; and if the IOP flag is added to the infobox, the Albanian one should as well.

This is enough explanation needed for someone who understands. --PjeterPeter (talk) 15:30, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

I didn't missed you reply, you are the one not understanding what "related participations" are. No, we re NOT adding athletes personal choices otherwise because that is NOT what "related participations" are. Related participations are the COIs which the territory belonged. Kosovo territory by all means Olympically belonged to the mentioned countries EXCEPT Albania. I am waiting for a reasonse and I am reporting you, I am fed up. FkpCascais (talk) 15:35, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

And don't delete previous discussions! FkpCascais (talk) 15:37, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

FkpCascais Go ahead. And your version seems to fail to be even considered. So, what you're saying is that the Albanian flag should not be added because Kosovo did not belong to Albania? Well, indeed, Kosovo did not belong to Albania, but did Kosovo belong to the IOC flag? Was Kosovo a part of a IOC country? NOPE! It was because Kosovo was not allowed to participate (or other countries, or FR Yugoslavia) and they participated under the flag of the Olympics, because it's about the ATHLETES. So if you're removing Albania, basically you're removing the IOC flag as well, because, apparently, Kosovo was part of an IOC country. What an ideology, I can't even find a proper sarcastic word to describe your filthy nationalism. --PjeterPeter (talk) 15:43, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

The Weight of Chains 2

You might be interested in taking a look at this discussion regarding The Weight of Chains 2. --UrbanVillager (talk) 01:00, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Template:Infobox Olympics Kosovo

Protected for a month. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 06:37, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Many thanks CambridgeBayWeather. I will try to discuss it with him, we already started at the talk-page. But if we don't archive some consensus, he will most certainly reinsert the edit again a few days after the protection expires, as he always did, so I will have to think of some form of dispute resolution that could be adequate for this case (for exemple DR, 3O...). We have been in circles with this for months already. Best regards, FkpCascais (talk) 14:46, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Re the whole patriarchy thing

So in short, the Metropolitan of Karlovci was declared "Serbian Patriarch" in 1848 by the May Assembly, without anyone's recognition - including the Metropolitan of Belgrade. As far as the Ecumenical Patriarchate was concerned, Josif Rajačić was still just the Metropolitan of the Karlovci Metropolitanate, under the direct authority of the Ecumenical Patriarch. I don't think even the Emperor (whose baron he was) recognized him as such, being very Catholic.

But what bothers me (now that I've been pestered into this) is that the very name "Patriarchate of Karlovci" makes no fundamental sense. You can not be the "patriarch" of Srijemski Karlovci :). You can only be "Patrijarh srpski", and as far as I can tell - that is, in fact, what the metropolitans of Karlovci called themselves after 1848. Not "Patriarch of Karlovci"..

I'm also reasonably certain that the modern-day Serbian Orthodox Church does not recognize the Karlovci "patriarchs" as having been such. They are perfectly legitimate and on good terms with the Ecumenical Patriarchate (unlike a number of other Orthodox churches), and I'm sure they would never insist on the legality of something the Ecumenical Patriarchate can never agree to. And they can't, as it would fundamentally undermine their position as the only ones who can grant autocephaly...

Am I missing something here? What is the basis for claiming that the Serbian Orthodox Church existed at that time? Is it really only just the declaration of the May Assembly? -- Director (talk) 14:25, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Are we sure he belonged to the Karlovci Metropolitanate? Or are we just assuming that because of the map of the jurisdictions? That is what I was wondering for some days now. FkpCascais (talk) 14:47, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Well, all Orthodox priests of the Serbian rite in the Austrian Empire belonged to the Metropolitanate of Karlovci in the Serbian Vojvodina, that's just common knowledge... Who else would they belong to? -- Director (talk) 14:55, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

I don't know. I am just talking this with you. Isnt possible that the Belgrade Metropolinate sent him to Smiljan? FkpCascais (talk) 14:59, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Not at all. Put these things into context: this is the Austrian Empire we're talking about, a 160 years ago. They wouldn't let the Turkish-controlled Metropolitanate of Belgrade (or worse - the Russian-dominated Metropolitanate of Cetinje) send priests into their Military Frontier and let them hold office there... Especially Milutin Tesla, who was clearly a prominent man in his community and enjoyed the benefits of being well-placed in the bureaucratic system, like sending his son off to nice schools. I mean look at his photo, he's got a nice medal from the Empire and everything.

Proposed merge over at Metropolitanate of Karlovci. -- Director (talk) 15:09, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Pomoć

Da li znaš gde bih mogao da iskopam neke izveštaje iz sezone 2010/11 albanske 2. lige? Setih se Marka Mijatovića, igrao je za Slogu jedne sezone, pa mi je palo napamet da mu napišem stranu, ali mi zato treba potvrda da se našao na terenu bar na jednoj utakmici. Koliko sam ispratio ta liga je fully-pro. Hvala unapred! Lotom (talk) 20:50, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Nisam siguran je li mogu da ti pomognem jer ti albanci nemaju ništa dobre sajtove. Za albansku ligu koristim isključivo soccerway a ima albaniasoccer.com koji znam da donekle ima neke sezone, pogledaću dal ga imaju negde. FkpCascais (talk) 21:31, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Mrka kapa, nemaju ga niti Lushnju te sezone. FkpCascais (talk) 21:35, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Hypocrisy

And here it is the allways anti-Serbian editor boby rainer :) I was wondering when were you going to start edit-warring here.
— User:FkpCascais 21:30, 21 January 2015

And remember, comment on content, not on contributors.
— User:FkpCascais 21:39, 21 January 2015

In future, it would be helpful if you followed the standards that you expect others to follow. bobrayner (talk) 21:52, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

Don't complain to get this comments after calling me tendentious for no reason. FkpCascais (talk) 01:57, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Ahahahaha :) You replace an academical souce with facts by some delusional Noel Malcolm article (diff). Why is that you use Malcolm so much? Is it because only he makes such crazy claims? The Guardian should really be careful not to drop their level that much and publish such delusional garbage. Honestly... FkpCascais (talk) 03:12, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Ana

Hi! Can you proof the translation hidden in Ana Simonović and improve it?♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:40, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Sure. But where is the source? FkpCascais (talk) 00:58, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

Miroslav Vulićević (overlink)

Not my problem that you don't know WP:OVERLINK. Your revert was considered vandalism. SLBedit (talk) 18:45, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

I know very well overlink :) I even contributed in forming that policy years ago... -_- . FkpCascais (talk) 18:50, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

"Listen." I don't care about you, I care about Wikipedia. I explained in the edit summary: what you are mentioned is WP:REPEATLINK.

Per WP:OVERLINK: "What generally should not be linked" "the names of major geographic features and locations". You have a relation with Serbia and you claim to be a Sporting Lisbon fan. Curious. SLBedit (talk) 18:58, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

It does not matter if you are a vandal or not. I think you aren't though. That revert can be considered vandalism. SLBedit (talk) 19:01, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I am Serbian living since late 1980s in Cascais :D . I explained to you at your talk-page. I see Cristiano Ronaldo case. I will revert myself until I get this clarified. FkpCascais (talk) 19:03, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

Good because I was going to report you for edit warrning. I hope you don't call someone related with Serbia. :) SLBedit (talk) 19:06, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

I will open a discussion about it and let you know. It really is not that important one article, the Vulićević one, but for instance, Adolf Hitler is a GA article, and has obviously one link to his nationality. So you are saying we should remove the links from Austria and Germans at the opening paragraph of his article? FkpCascais (talk) 19:08, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

Why not? SLBedit (talk) 19:20, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

Well, I challenge you to do that and see the discussion which will happened :D ... But talking seriously, I do think that each biography should have one link to the country of birth. One of course, not more. FkpCascais (talk) 19:35, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

I found that the IP is evading a block. It is a known IP troll that never signs posts. SLBedit (talk) 19:51, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

Btw, Grobari and Juve Leo have one of the oldest friendships in Europe. :) You guys made friendship with Torcida of Hajduk Split, yeah, they are ok... FkpCascais (talk) 19:17, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

You mean No Name Boys. SLBedit (talk) 19:20, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

Exactly. But the friendship between Partizan and Sporting goes beyond the fans, the direction boards are also allways present whenever there is some celebration and so. It all started with this: Sporting e Partizan defrontaram-se há 50 anos num jogo que mudou o futebol europeu. FkpCascais (talk) 19:35, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

Okay. SLBedit (talk) 19:51, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

Any news? SLBedit (talk) 21:20, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Doubt

Is this talk page deletion okay? Shouldn't IP keep it? SLBedit (talk) 19:23, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

I don't see any reason for removing that comment. Comments should be removed only when trolling, clear vandalism or WP:NOTAFORUM but that question seems legit. FkpCascais (talk) 19:37, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

Oh but it was him himself removing his own question... and no one got to answer. No problem then. FkpCascais (talk) 19:39, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

WW2 is indeed complex

Thanks for reaching an agreement even-though with doubts, I think it is normal to have doubts on WW2 because it is a mix of politics, war and history.

Of course, Albania is a small country and its contribution is modest and cannot be compared with Soviet Union or USA, but on the other hand I have also doubts that some countries listed as Allies, such as Luxemburg, Norway or Belgium or Czechoslovakia gave more resistance to the Axis than Albania :)

Your point that the partisans of Albania had very good relations with the Yugoslav partisans is correct. For example, in the establishment of the Communist Party of Albania there were two emissaries from the Communist Party of Yugoslavia, Dusan Mugosa and Miladin Popovic. Yugoslavia was the first country to recognize the new republic of Albania after the war and Yugoslavia helped Albania during the Peace Treaty. In addition they an signed economic agreement on common borders with Albania. However in 1949 the relations between Yugoslavia and Soviet Union worsened and the Albanian government sided with the Soviets. LupinoJacky (talk) 20:27, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

I always wanted to expand the article Albanian resistance during World War II but never found proper time to dedicate myself to it. I understand the situation in Albania and among Albanians generally regarding WWII. For instance, even Balli Kombëtar had a dual role in the conflict. However, many Albanians welcomed the Axis. The new borders which included an expanded Albania obviously won many Albanians to their side. It is natural. Many Albanians actively participated in armed actions in Yugoslavia against forces which were Allied. This fact obviously puts in shadow Albanian resistance and doesn't allow us in adding Albania as Allied nation as undisputed fact. I support you if everything is neutrally presented and sourced. Initially I got the impression that you were cherry-picking the sources, but it is OK, since you wanted to make a point (and you did canvass many people to participate in the discussion lol, but even that is OK, you are new here and I agree that as much people can participate, the better). I apologise for not having been able to promptly provide you sources for my claims, but these days my time is a bit limited. Lets see what other editors have to say. I will keep an eye on the article and discussions whenever I can. Hope it all turns well. FkpCascais (talk) 20:58, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Sure there were individual that liked Axis ideas, but they were not a majority. Pro-Axis individuals existed in all states, including USA, Soviet Union. There was even an army of Russians that fought for Axis Russian Liberation Army. However, the vast majority of Albanian people united under the communist partisans, against the Axis. That is verifiable by the number of soldiers in the Albanian National Liberation, compared to other formations. And also the elections post-war that were won by a majority by the communists prove that they had the support of the majority of Albanians. The same case might not have been in Kosovo, Albanians there might have been more in favor of Axis because of the German propaganda on uniting Albania with Kosovo. We should not mix the Albanians in Kosovo with the Albanians in Albania during WW2, since they belong to different countries. I doubt that for political reasons some neighboring countries (e.g. Greece) emphasized the Albanian pro-Axis collaboration, in order to use that as an excuse for territorial claims. In that respect, they tried to shadow the pro-Ally contribution of Albania. For instance, Greece used WW2 and Albanian collaborators as an excuse to mass deport Albanians living in Northern Greece (Cham population), and to request that the south of Albania be attached to Greece. But this is politics and we better focus only on the facts of the war. Honestly, I got a bit tired of all this. On one hand, it is nice to make a point, on the other hand it is exhausting :) LupinoJacky (talk) 22:06, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Sorry. At time I answered you here I was unaware that now you even deny Albania was part of the Axis. Yes, Albania was an Allied country and had nothing to do with Axis, oh it was occupied... come on. So how then Albanians occupied and fought against Yugoslav Allied forces during the war? Sorry, you went too far. I had good faith, but the fact is that even the argument of Albania participating in the Paris Conference and thus being somehow Allied is very weak. FkpCascais (talk) 22:17, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

According to the ideas of LJ even Germany and Italy would be classified as Allies. The Banner talk 16:36, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Indeed. Unfortunately seems that we are facing users that have a clear agenda and are capable of doing everything in order to archive it. They don't care about sources, they just care convincing everyone their true is the right one. Not sure where this is going nor how it will end but is becoming extremely frustrating and a waste of energy and time. Unfortunately there are not more editors wanting to get involved. FkpCascais (talk) 17:57, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Perhaps we should do what they threatened to do: bring this to AN/I. Or would there be any standing order from the ArbCom suitable for this case? The Banner talk 21:48, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Wish I knew. At least they are not edit warring anymore. Lets see what will happened next days. FkpCascais (talk) 02:43, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Indeed, LJ nailed himself by escalating that. Now let see what is going to happen with mr. G. I expect a quite retreat out of the limelight. The Banner talk 10:29, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

I just hope they don't edit-war. It was great that actually some admins had the time and patience to see what was happening and intervene, because, as you well know, often cases such as this end up being misinterpreted as legit content disputes. It was clear vandalism actually, they just repeated the same argument over and over again, and did you noticed how they lied without any shame how all other editors agreed with them, oh lord... I just don't understand why Vanjagenije insists so much in wanting to save LJ, I guess he just came near the end and didn't had a full vision of all that happened during this discussions. FkpCascais (talk) 02:10, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Sigh, now QTeuta starts the whole mess once again. The Banner talk 00:11, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

User:The Banner, I wasn't around for a few hours and just returned and saw how one admin closed the thread thinking that it is content dispute... That really sucks regarding Wikipedia, admins often don't have time to analise everything and just go by the easiest solution. Many editors got banned for quite less of what QTeuta did and I saw many cases of admins being quite harsh on editors that refuse to drop the matters. At least if he stays away from actually editing the articles, and keeps on just writing the same old story just in the talk pages, then he doesn't create that much disruption. But if he does make changes to the article similar to the ones which got LJ blocked for, we can maybe talk to the admin who imposed the sanction to LJ and make a parallel between the two. Without any new sources, QTeuta should not touch the articles as clearly all of us editors that participated in the discussions disagreed with him, so we can firmly say that there is a consensus against them (the only editors agreeing with them were the 3 Albanian new editors LJ, QTeuta and Gjirokastra15). Also, this comment LJ made regarding me actually makes me believe he already used sockpuppets before as those discussions happened quite some time ago and how could he knew about them in any different way if not directly involved under another account? He went trough my contributions? Naaah, he would have needed to go duzens of pages back in my contributions digging to get there and spend much time, doubt it. PS: Their attitude and their way of discussing and dealing with opposing editors in discussions was really what got me most into this, the level of manipulation and arrogance is unbelievable. FkpCascais (talk) 02:46, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

I already did that: User_talk:Nick-D#Albania. We have no choice than to wait and see. The Banner talk 09:39, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Sharplaninac

It may be a good idea to update pictures. The main picture should be some purebred dog, dog show champion or similar. I'm not sure if the dog on picture (inside the infobox) is a purebred at all. Next, it may be a good idea to include some picture of Yugoslav military dogs. Yugoslav army bred more dogs than all other breeders together. I provided some URLs (check talk page for Sharplaninac). Re picture for infobox, there is a photo at Macedonian Wikipedia: https://mk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Шарпланинец#mediaviewer/File:Sharplaninec_22.jpg The dog at Serbian Wikipedia is also a purebred one - http://www.urokshof.be/UrokRemember4.htm I don't have time and knowledge to play with pictures and Wikipedia licensing issues, so your help would be appreciated. Thank you! --N Jordan (talk) 07:38, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

I fully support your edits there. However, unfortunately I also don't have any knolledge in bringing pics here. I never even tried to upload any exactly because of the same reasons you mentioned, the copyrights, licensing and that. Lately regarding pictures all I did was to explore the categories of the already existing pictures on commons and choose the best and more appropriate ones (I did it with airlines and planes, in this case of the Sharplaninac it would correspond to this one https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Sarplaninac). FkpCascais (talk) 19:09, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

How to link pictures from other Wikipedia projects. E.g. there is a picture on Macedonian Wikipedia https://mk.wikipedia.org/wiki/file:Sharplaninec_22.jpg but I don't know how to show that picture on English wiki. I checked https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Sarplaninac, some people simply scan pictures from the magazines and declare them as their own work. E.g. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Illyriansheepdog4.jpg and https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Illyriansheepdog5.jpg.--N Jordan (talk) 19:45, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

I also wanted to use pictures from other Wikipedias but I noticed it was not possible to link them directly, so I gave up, I really don't know if it is possible to bring them here to en.wiki. I am really a zero regarding pictures, all I know is how to use the available ones. FkpCascais (talk) 19:51, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Martin Hristov (footballer, born 1997):

I was not asking to delete the article for notability but for the fact that it is a duplicate article. Here: Hristov Martin. Wgolf (talk) 23:04, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Wgolf you were absolutely right. I was editing in a rush and I assumed it was because of notability that the deletion tag was there, and only after I noticed that there was already another article on the same player. I ended up making a redirect when noticed the mistake I did, but it is really better to delete it s you initially proposed. I apologise for my mistakes there. FkpCascais (talk) 23:48, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

No problem. And well as for the AFD-the problem was the article was made before the guy did anything basically. Wgolf (talk) 23:49, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Yes, the player in question, Martin Hristov, actually only today got his first appearance in a professional league which makes him now pass notability. So the article Martin Hristov (footballer, born in 1997) can stay, while the other redirects I created from the article you proposed for deletion should go. Perhaps could even be speedy deleted. FkpCascais (talk) 00:00, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Footballer naming conventions

This is an incorrect move, the correct format is John Smith (footballer, born 19xx) not John Smith (footballer born 19xx), please see WP:NCDAB. GiantSnowman 09:04, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I know that User:GiantSnowman, but at time I tried to move it to a name with comma and it gave me a message that it was impossible because there was already another article at that title. At that time I didn't knew about the existence of the other article about the same player, so I ended up removing the comma so I could do the renaming, and only afterwords I saw the other article. It was a mess but now it is all fixed I think. Best regards GS. FkpCascais (talk) 15:34, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

In cases where you need to move over a redirect tag with WP:G6. GiantSnowman 15:43, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

List of Presidents of Croatia ANI discussion

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 12:28, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

ABA Liga Category

Hi! I'm just dropping by to let you know about the new user category I think you might be interested in joining, ABA Liga supporters. Keep up the good work with your basketball-related contributions! --OxymoronNBG (talk) 21:42, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Many thanks OxymoronNBG! I created as well some userboxes, they are on my user page in the articles I created section. Best regards! FkpCascais (talk) 23:06, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Pomoć

Izvini što ti se ovako lično obraćam, ali moram radi same Wiki. Na tvom FB profilu sam ti poslao poruku oko Wiki šta mi možeš pomoći, samo uđi i pročitaj jer sam ti tamo detaljno opisao šta i kako. Nn94 14 (talk) 18:50, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Napravi ga ponovo ovde: User:Nn94 14/Sandbox1. Najvažnije je da ga kompletiraš i da imaš informaciju i vanjski izvor gde potvrdjuje da je igrala za reprezentaciju. FkpCascais (talk) 02:48, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Generalno problem je taj što ima stvari koje ovde na engleskoj Vikipediji nepostoje što otežava rad nama korisnicima koji uređujemo, a i generalno ta činjenica svima koji koriste Vikipediju predstavlja nepreglednost. Najmanji mi je problem da ja to odradim, ali će mi trebati vreme za to i još će mi mnogo značiti da ako ne može da mi pomogne, onda neka mi ne odmaže. Nn94 14 (talk) 16:56, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Glavno su viki pravila. Članci da bi postojali treba da sadrže u njima informaciju (potvrdjenu vanjskim izvorom) prema kojoj dokazuju da taj članak treba da postoji. U slučaju ovog konkretno članka morao si da imaš podatak da je igrala za Kanadsku reprezentaciju, I vanjski izvor koji to potvrdjuje. Bez toga normalno je da ga nominuju za brisanje ili brzo brisanje, što je ovde bio slučaj. A na šta misliš kad kažeš da ima stvari kojih ovde nema na engleskoj Vikipediji? Pozdrav! FkpCascais (talk) 20:30, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Ne moraš mi objašnjavati jer sam te razumeo kada si mi rekao predhodni put. Pod tim što sam rekao da ima nekih stvari koje ovde na engleskoj Viki nema sam mislio na to što neke stvari nisu urađene, a svakako bi trebalo da budu (ne mislim na pravila). Nn94 14 (talk) 21:13, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

re: Award

Thank you a lot Fkp :) --Anulmanul (talk) 02:08, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Armenia–Serbia relations

Can you please rate the article? It seems that I'm not allowed to do so, as I wrote it (according to Wikipedia's policies). I assume the importance for both WikiProjects (Armenian and Serbian) would be low, but as for the class (quality) of the article, I'm not sure... Thx. --Yerevani Axjik (talk) 10:41, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Done. The article is really well sourced, perhaps it can even be qualified as class C or B. FkpCascais (talk) 15:20, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

FkPCascais, I improved article and nominated it for GA... what do you think? Also... if you could make a map like other articles dealing with bilateral relations have? --Yerevani Axjik (talk) 14:30, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

--Yerevani Axjik I apologise, I was abscent for a couple of days. I think the article is great, but unfortunately I really cant help you regarding the map :( pictures and map making is really not my area here. FkpCascais (talk) 05:54, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Aleksander Jovovic

Hi! Do you know anything about the Yugoslav midfielder Aleksander Jovovic (born in 1968) that joined Djurgårdens IF in the 1997 season from OFK Belgrade and later played one season in IK Brage. When he joined Djurgården, Swedish media reported he had played for Yugoslav U18 and U21-teams and for Lyon, Waregem and Crete but not much of that is to be found on the Internet today. Smartskaft (talk) 11:11, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

I will see what can I find on him and bring it here. FkpCascais (talk) 15:02, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Great! Smartskaft (talk) 21:09, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

As incredible as may seem, there is not even one Aleksandar Jovović playing in either Yugoslav First nor Second league until 1991. I am saying incredible because both, name Aleksandar (allways Aleksandar, never Aleksander) and surname Jovović are quite common, initially I even thought there may be more than one player with that name, but there is none playing first two levels till 1991 (see: here). If he was born in 1968 he probably started playing by mid-late 1980s but he didn't played in first of second league till 1991 for sure. I also have a separate list in Excel with all Yugoslav First League players from 1945 to 1991 and it confirms, no Aleksandar Jovović. There is a possibility of being named Saša Jovović, as Saša is nickname for Alekandar, but there is no Saša Jovović either.

Now I will try to see for the period after 1991... FkpCascais (talk) 23:09, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

No Jovović played any league game with OFK Beograd in the season 1996/97, see OFK Beograd website. However, they are missing data for the seasons 1994/95 and 1995/96. FkpCascais (talk) 23:16, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Interesting. Swedish media might have got some things wrong. I actually found another article saying he played for Red Star here. Thanks a lot for looking up! Smartskaft (talk) 23:21, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Vukobrat

Bio si mi napomenuo da može da se zatraži vraćanje obrisane strane... Neko se opet pravio pametan pa je brisao ponešto, konkretno Đorđe Vukobrat, a ja nemam sada statistiku da bih napisao novu stranu. Ostala su mi još dvojica iz Donjeg Srema, debitovali su u ova dva kola i ostali svi imaju strane, koji ispunjavaju uslove, naravno. Lotom (talk) 16:45, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Izvini, nije me bilo ovde ovih dana, tražiću administratorima na WP:FOOTY da vrate stranicu pošto on sada prolazi WP:NOTABILITY. Pozdrav FkpCascais (talk) 05:49, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Tko si ti da me upozoravaš?

Kojeg ti glumiš faktora ovdje? Upozoravam Vas da ne vandalizirate stranice! --Golden Bosnian Lily (talk) 05:46, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Please speak English sir. This is en.wikipedia. FkpCascais (talk) 05:48, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Đorđe Vukobrat

 Done - please expand/improve. GiantSnowman 20:39, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Many many thanks GS, I will. FkpCascais (talk) 18:54, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

Jang

Video sam ja to pre neki dan na Transfermarktu, ali nisam siguran da je taj igrač u pitanju. Možda jeste, mada ne bih rekao. Nekako mi deluje mlađe, a i naši klubovi obično dovode mlađe strance i to uglavnom potpune anonimuse. Visina je više-manje O. K, pozicija ne govori previše, jer je ulazio u drugom poluvremenu, u Kraljevu je protiv Javora igrao kao LW, mada ga je bilo i na desnoj strani, ali u Slogi nekako sve te nove igrače izguraju na stranu. Plus, ovaj mi je nekako delovao previše plašljiv i nesiguran u nekim situacijama, mislim da bi morao da bude iskusniji, ako ima 25 godina, zato ne verujem da je taj igrač u pitanju. Neka bude onako, bez linka, lako ću da vratim, ako je stvarno on u pitanju, da ne pravimo pometnju. Isto tako, nisam siguran ni za Marića, stavio sam da je u pitanju Aleksandar, iz razloga što je igrao za Bumbarevo brdo, gde je prošle sezone igralo skoro pola ekipe Sloge, a i zato što je u igru ušao kao odbrambeni. Inače stvarno izgleda kao je '93. godište, a Ivan kako piše na sajtu PLS ima 3 banke i igra napadača. Lotom (talk) 9:28, 20 March 2015 (UTC) P. S. Taj Marić od 30 god je Dejan, ali poenta je da ne vidim ni jednog koji se uklapa u profil, sem onog Aleksandra.

OK, nema frke, znam da ti pratiš Slogu. Pozdrav! FkpCascais (talk) 23:42, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Kako sam nezvanično saznao, on ima 17,5 godina. Inače, od početka utakmice protiv Inđije cela tribina ga ismeva, tj. govori da ne zna ništa, a onda odjednom, kao grom iz vedra neba dade golčinu da ne poveruješ. Onako, mali, sitan, ali je brz i ima kakvu-takvu tehniku, svakako napreduje iz utakmice u utakmicu, a i plaši se još uvek. Verujem da od njega može da bude nešto, ako je stvarno toliko mlad. Tu su i ona druga dvojica, ali ih još uvek nema u protokolu, da li zbog setifikata, ili zbog odluke trenera, to ne znam. Ja još uvek gajim nadu da Sloga može da opstane.

srbijafudbal.net and srpskifudbal.rs

I've been removing those references because the two websites are not being mantained anymore. Why do you think they should be kept? --OxymoronNBG (talk) 17:10, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Okej, sad vidim da si mi već pisao na mom talku. Meni ne deluje da će to ponovo biti online u skorije vreme, a i kada je bilo, bilo je puno grešaka. Bolje je prosto proći kasnije kroz sve te članke i svuda lupiti generalnu soccerway ili tako neku globalnu referencu, kapiram da ću moći to da odradim 90% automatski AWB-om sledećeg vikenda. --OxymoronNBG (talk) 17:13, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Deal, neću onda dirati transfer pages za srbijafudbal.net... Je li okej da sklonim onda ove srpskifudbal.rs ili bi da i to ostane? Taj sajt je totalno mrtav, domen je expired još od 2012. --OxymoronNBG (talk) 17:20, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Sa transfer lista? Onda transfer ostane unsourced. Jel možeš da staviš deadlink umesto da ga izbrišeš? (pričam samo o transfer listama, ostalo briši slobodno) FkpCascais (talk) 17:26, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Tako barem znamo da je neko od nas tada ubacio taj transfer sa tim izvorom, a ako nema izvor onda ne znamo jel možda neki klinac ubacio pogrešno :/ FkpCascais (talk) 17:27, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Kapiram te potpuno, ne diram onda transfer liste za sad nikako, a pobrisao sam sa igračkih/klupskih external links i iz introductory rečenica, prosto predstavlja beskoristan junk na tim mestima. To bi bilo to. Take care, Kaškajš! --OxymoronNBG (talk) 17:30, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Odlično, hvala ti puno. Jer smo samo nas jedno dvojica trojica koji te liste već godinama pravimo, I dogovor je da na svaki stavljamo izvor. Čim vidimo neki igrač dodat bez izvora odmah znamo da je to neko drugi ubacio I proverimo. E sad, jebiga -_- ovi naši sajtovi se pale gase, beda, ali ovako barem znamo da su tada bili sa izvorom. srbijafudbal.net nam je strašno koristan, jer ne samo da ima statistiku svih igrača u našim 3 liga (superliga prva I srpske) od 2001. pa do sada, nego još I ima liste igrača timova iz srpske lige gde ubaci I pozajmice manje poznatih igrača iz naših većih klubova, inače to nema nigde drugde da se nadje jer niko ne piše specijalno članak u medijima o, recimo, nekom klincu iz Rada koji je na pozajmici u Dunavu iz Starih Banovaca... Za sada godinama nismo imali nikakve problem jer čak i kad admin srbijefudbala ugasi stare igrače mi znamo da je informacija koja je tada bila na sajtu prepisana tm igraču, a nism imali nijedan jedini slučaj da neko zloupotrebi stavi pogrešne podatke pa ubaci taj sajt kao izvor, vandali običn ne stave nikakav sajt :D ... Hvala ti NBG, tu smo šta god da treba!!! FkpCascais (talk) 17:38, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Čedomir Đoinčević

Aparentemente (e infelizmente, muito novo), este senhor faleceu. Consegues arranjar alguma coisa em sérvio para o seu artigo? Descanse em paz este simpático barbudo!

Um abraço, desejo-te tudo do melhor como sempre --84.90.219.128 (talk) 23:15, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

• OK, peço desculpa de ter incomodado. O artigo fica como está, porque eu não sei sérvio. --84.90.219.128 (talk) 16:08, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Calma :( nao fiques chateado, é que tenho tido uns dias caoticos na minha vida privada e se reparares pelas minhas contribuicoes, mal tenho tado presente na wiki ha ja varios dias. No dia em que me falaste nisto, dei uma vista de olhos pelos principais sites de futebol de la e nao havia nada sobre ele, vou ver melhor em outros sites. FkpCascais (talk) 17:51, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Eu e as minhas pressas... esqueço-me sempre que os outros têm vida lá fora! Sem pressas, meu caro, mas sirva este detalhe: é que de todas as ligações exteriores que constam do artigo dele, DUAS falam em falecimento, por isso pensei que não devia ser um erro (mas talvez um "site" possa ter "copiado" do outro).

Bom descanso (e boas sopas como se diz por cá), não posso assinar esta mensagem porque estou num computador mais "fraco", não sei porque é que não me deixa — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.90.219.128 (talk) 21:49, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

OK, ja tive a ver imensos resultados, e nao diz ele lado nenhum que ele faleceu. Onde viste dizerem isso? Expandi o artigo com o que fui encontrando, e completei parte da carreira dele como treinador, se bem que me parece que devem faltar ainda bastante mais. FkpCascais (talk) 02:19, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Obrigado. Em relacão ao "falecimento", aparece no ZEROZERO.PT e no WORLDFOOTBALL. --84.90.219.128 (talk) 04:14, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Meu caro Vasco, isso parece ser um erro, na prensa nao ha nada mesmo e ja vi paginas e paginas no google, o seu falecimento teria certamente mencao pelo menos nos sites relacionados com o FK Rad onde o consideram importantissimo. FkpCascais (talk) 04:44, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Muitíssimo obrigado! Apenas dei um toque no texto e apresentação das referências. Podes, por favor, e para finalizarmos por agora, pôr os títulos das referências sérvias em inglês? Tchau! --84.90.219.128 (talk) 20:06, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Feito. Desculpa a demora. Abraco! FkpCascais (talk) 14:04, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

IP vandalising

Hi! FkP, what to do if an IP vandalises and reverts edits? I believe it's the same guy we had an argument with few weeks ago... Se Bosnian independence referendum please. --Yerevani Axjik (talk) 10:48, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

А видим да можемо и на српском да разговрамо. Дакле, верујем да онај профил од раније вандализује странице под старим оптужбама за вандализам итд., шта му већ не пада на памет. Дакле, да ли постоји неки начин да се заштите странице од ИП адреса? Јасно је да се ради о истом типу. --Yerevani Axjik (talk) 10:51, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Možemo i na srpskom, mada kao preporučuju da se koristi uvek engleski da bi ostali razumeli. Nisam bio mnogo prisutan ovih dana na wiki, sad ću da vidim šta se dešavalo. FkpCascais (talk) 17:55, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Past discussions about Cyrillic script in Bosnia

Per User talk:DemirBajraktarevic#Cyrillic, I'm guessing you know where this was discussed before. Has a conclusion been reached anywhere about what scripts to use in the lead when writing about Bosnian people and places? Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 16:54, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

EdJohnston oh, by mistake I added a diff there instead of a link for the discussion. Here was the discussion: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Bosnia_and_Herzegovina#Problems_with_Cyrillic. Hope that helps. FkpCascais (talk) 17:40, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Raphael

Znam da geneologiju poznaješ bolje od mene, pa vidi da li možeš ovog Raphaela iz Kolubare da povežeš sa nekom nacijom. Pretpostavljam da je Brazilac, ali ko zna... Ubacio je PLS na Srbijafudbal-u, to je, otprilike to, mada je ovaj Jang možda malo i mlađi, jer sam čuo od jednog lika na stadionu da ima 17,5 godina, možda ga nisam ni razumeo dobro, ali nema ni veze, a i Kim je juče debitovao za Slogu, ali njega nije još dodao. Mislim njih kad gledaš, generalno, nama odavde svi izgledaju isto, uglavnom ih razlikuješ po frizurama i boji kose. Jang nam se predstavio u Kraljevu, Kim je sedeo na klupi protiv Kolubare, pa nisam provalio ko je, video sam još jednog ranije, ali ne znam da li je to on, ili ovaj treći. Ne znam kakvo je tvoje mišljenje, ali meni ovaj novi sistem takmičenja u JSL deluje kao teška sprdnja. Pozdrav! Lotom (talk) 22:53, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Ne verujem da je Raphael brazilac, oni pišu Rafael, mada retko umeju da stilizuju imena, ono kao Tiago=Thiago I ti fazoni samo da bi se razlikovali, nije nemoguće da je brazilac, ali mi više miriše da je afrikanac iz francuskog govornog područja, tipa kamerunac, oni imaju Raphael. Ali tako samo sa imenom je veoma teško da nagadjamo, moraćemo da sačekamo još koji podatak, da barem znamo prezime... FkpCascais (talk) 21:21, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Titoist POV

You know the matter and can explain it in Wikipedia:Administrators noticeboard/Incidents#Manipulated and mystified sources or in talk:Josip Broz Tito#DisputeTeo Pitta (talk) 10:31, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Air Serbia

I'm the one that should thank you, as you're right.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 00:54, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

I was doing the same when it gave me the edit-conflict message saying you just have done it, so no problem. I know you do a great job fighting vandalism all-around and removing loads of crap IPs add to articles, but please give them a chance when at least they do something good and don't revert instantly. Cheers :) FkpCascais (talk) 01:04, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Srbosjek

So why isnt Ushmm calling it by that name?--Rovoobo Talk 12:40, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

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Nikola Jakimovski

Okay, sorry for the wrong correction, I used the data from TM on those caps and goals numbers (for his clubs). But when it comes to his U21 he definitely has only 3 caps and no goals. (you can erase this message, I just wanted to apologize).

No problem at all. Transfermarkt is user-generated so it often contains more mistakes than soccerway, which confirms all games and no one can add information but the website administrators. Regarding the national team stats, I often use soccerway for recent stats (4-5 years to now) and uefa.com for more complete stats, but unfortunately uefa.com only lists games which are played for the U-17, U-19 and U-21 qualifiers. If you find a website that contains Macedonian U-17/19/21 stats please let me know. I appreciate a lot the great work you have been doing in expanding and updating Macedonian football. You are a great editor. Pozdrav!!! FkpCascais (talk) 17:08, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Josip Broz Tito

Can you please go to the article about Tito and see what that two users are doing. They are saying that the lede is too long. xD I mean, just by looking at the lede of Churchill you can see that it is not too long. Please can you join the discussion. Tnx :) --Tuvixer (talk) 18:12, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Tuvixer I will try to see what is all about, but I have been very limited with time in the last months, that is why I haven't been very active. I thanked you because you restored a part of text which mentioned the Non-aligned Movement which I think it is mostly neglected here on en.wiki and which deserves mention specially at that period during Cold War when it had an interesting role in world geopolitics (as opposed to nowadays when it lost much of its purpose). However, I didn't noticed the reason why other editors removed it, seems because it is already mentioned so they think it is not worth mentioning it twice, right? Lets see if we can work out some solution that will work for all, like mentioning the Non-aligned and Tito role in them, but without repeating it twice. I will only now see what the problem is, I haven't seen yet what is the problem there, I just gave a superficial quick look. FkpCascais (talk) 21:01, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Now that I have reverted them combined 3 times I can't no longer revert the article. That is possibly what they want. So tozwu has now introduced his crazy changes that have been crushed by more that two 3O. Can you please revert him? Tnx. --Tuvixer (talk) 11:53, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

No Evidence

There is no evidence of what u claims about KF Trepca and FC Pristina,this is very logical propaganda of Serbian state in order to erase all the history that has to do with Kosovo-Albanians. While Serbia is trying to get all the credits that have to do with Yugoslavia,Kosovo has every right to get what belongs to her. (talk)

A creator can do whatever he wants whith his creature,we were not welcomed to play in YU league and we had to do something in order to play football as everyone in this world. (talk)

ok but u can't claim that you own our clubs, this is incorrect legally and morally. (talk)

but u have nothing to prove it,as long as they created Trepca they could have decided even to dissolve it,that doesn't mean that u could take the badge history name or anything. This is totally political situation now days created by Serbs,but have nothing to prove. As long as Situation is like this KF Trepça remains the only successor of old KF Trepça. (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 09:38, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

How can u say after 1999 albanian players decided to leave the club and found their own club. What kind of hypocrisy is this ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hashanialbert (talk • contribs) 12:09, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

I can do the same with u but that's easiest way to solve a problem,and it's not the right way. You have not a single source. alo.rs or what is that is just serbian media and nothing else.Earlier we mentioned that player left YU league in 1991 and now u are saying albanian player left the club in 1999 and decided to fourd their own team. The reality is Albanian player with the club of KF Trepca (as their creature) decided to leave YU league back in early 90s and it's doesnt matter what you did later. Trepca was from Kosovo,Kosovo is now Independent country or call it how u want.Its teams are not part of SRB league so stop talking bullshit please. FK Partizan is FK Partizan,acording to KS rules an ilegall team,and don't spread hate,propaganda because that's the only think u do when it comes to Kosovo. contribs) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hashanialbert (talk • contribs) 12:40, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

We refused to be part of YU league not our clubs,they still remain our clubs. Ur bosnian site is just a news site doesn't prove nothing no history of the club nothing. Ur saying KF Trepca was formed in 1999 after the war when albanian left the club,this is totally lie meanwhile u said im not blind nationalist but Albanians left the YU league in early 90s not i 99. And please u must understand Albanians boycotted the league and not the club don't make such a confusion. We can agree that during 90 existed to parallel clubs because in 91 serbs created their own Trepca to play in YU league but in 2000s they marged the club with FK Partizan and now only Albanian Trepca still exists.? (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 10:25, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Again ur hate over wisdom. How can u say albanian created different clubs mate. Based on what. I gave u a suggestion in order to reach an agreement otherwise we can delete the page or create parallel pages all day all season. Again you have no arguments,no refernces nothing,just crazy serbian bullshits as always. Nothing to prove. Stop editing the page please.Hashanialbert (talk) 11:19, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

How can't u understand that u created KF Trepca after we took our Trepca out of YU league 1991 and that old Trepca still keep playing in an unrecognized which is absolutely irrelevant at this point.Old KF Trepca still exists.And now ur Trepca doesn't even exists Hashanialbert (talk) 12:05, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Mrka kapa zasad

Kapiram da je neki nedokazan lik, a ja sad nešto ne mogu da se prepucavam... Najbolje je što se mene tiče, da uradimo neki sanbox, gde možemo da prikupimo izvore sa raznih strana, da to niko ne dira dok se ne odradi kako treba, pa onda da se sve lepo raščlani. Ovako svako radi šta mu se prohte. Mislim da nije dobro što se FK Trepča redirektuje na FK Partizan, jer se Partizan tek pre nekoliko godina fuzionisao sa Trepčom, koliko ja znam. Samo treba pronaći prave izvore. Lotom (talk) 15:29, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

User:Lotom/List of Serbian football transfers summer 2015, da pohvatamo šta možemo, dok su sveži izvori. :D. Inače i Aksentijeviću je istekao ugovor, ali da sačekamo rasplet. Lotom (talk) 21:21, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Super! Eno u Žurnaalu već čitav spisak igrača koji napuštaju Jagodinu. FkpCascais (talk) 21:23, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Sock puppet allegations

Please stop saying unfounded accusations about sockpupeting or I will have to report you. This is the general warning done according to wikipedia's rules. If you repeat that allegation I will report you and you will have to explain yourself. Asdisis (talk) 14:03, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Please do whatever you think you should do. FkpCascais (talk) 14:31, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Yes. I'm asking of you to stop with unfounded allegations. According to wikipedia's rules I should not engage you on the talk page of the article but warn you on your talk page. If you repeat allegations on talk page I can report you. Best regards. Asdisis (talk) 16:14, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Istorija srpskih klubova u evropskim takmicenjima

Da li ti možeš da napraviš neki članak tj. almanah o učestvovanjima srpskih klubova u evropskim takmičenjima ili nekog koga na vikipediji poznaješ da ga pozoveš na talk stranicama, evo kao taj članak (Croatian football clubs in European competitions). Ako je neko voljan da to napravi bio bi mu veoma zahvalan. Jolicnikola (talk) 22:29, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Vladovivoda je zaista fantastično napravio taj članak. Ja već ima više od godinu dana pa sve do sada sam veoma skraćen sa vremenom, sad nema šanse da tako nešto uradim. Posao i porodica mi ostavljaju samo vremena za male ispravke ili dopune u člancima, pogledam i učestvujem uventualno u nekim diskusijama, i uvrh glave napravim možda jednom u 3 meseca neki članak nekog starog igrača ili trenera za koje znam da drugi ne znaju ništa ili možda vrlo malo o njemu (i napravim ga za 15 minuta). Nekad ranije pre dve i više godina sam imao vremena da pravim velike članke i liste, ali sad mi je to nemoguće. Od naših editora Lotom je veoma aktivan, možda bi on bio zainteresovan, u zadnje vreme je koncentrisan na sadašnje timove, igrače, transfere, ali pošto je sad pauza u sezoni, možda bi njega interesovalo malo da promeni I da uzme taj članak, ali ne znam, pitaj ga, on je odličan editor kao i ti, ako se do sada niste upoznali taman prilika. Ako niko drugi ne bude hteo, neću zaboraviti i biće mi u "Things to do". FkpCascais (talk) 00:40, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Nomes de países/regiões

Meu caro, não é para me armar em espertinho, bem longe disso, é para aprender a fazer como deve ser: podes-me dizer porque é que não se pode escrever "Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia" por extenso quando é o NOME do artigo? Dizes-me, na página do Čedomir Đoinčević (que não reverti, fica descansado) que "não escrevemos Republic of Portugal, pois não?". Pois não, porque "Republic of Portugal" NÃO É o nome de nenhum artigo na WP. Quando este gajo (e tantos tantos outros) jogavam à bola, o país não se chamava "República Federal Socialista da Jugoslávia"? E continua uma grande confusão - para mim, pelo menos - a diferença entre "SFR Yugoslavia" e "Yugoslavia", mas como a última começa em 1918 e vai até 2003 (a Sérvia juntamente com o Montenegro se não estou errado), o mais correcto será pôr o "SFR", não percebo é porque é que não pode ser em extenso.

Um abraço, boa semana --84.90.219.128 (talk) 00:03, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

É que na realidade devia dizer so "Yugoslavia" mas para diferenciarmos as 3 (a Kingdom, SFR e FR) opa usamos esses "aditivos" que na realidade sao vastamente usados dessa mesma forma em outros artigos como os de historia por exemplo. So que é completamente descabido usarmos os nomes por extensor porque afinal de contas o que interessa é so a Jugoslavia. A ideia é dar uma ideia imediata ao leitor de onde o jogador nasceu (como por exemplo em EEUU seria "Dallas, Texas, Unites states" ou na Uniao Sovietica "Moscow, Russian SSR, Soviet Union". Nao vale a pena ocupar 2 linhas com isso se existe uma forma abreviada vastamente utilizada para o fazer, o que aconteceria no caso de "Banja Luka, Socialist Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina, Socialist Federative Republic of Yugoslavia" opa "Banja Luka, SR Bosnia and Herzegovina, SFR Yugoslavia" é bem mais esclarecedor.

Eu sei a tua regra combinada de usar tudo por extenso no texto, mas acho que estas a esquecer que essa regra nao esta escrita em lado nenhum, foi so mesmo tua. Eu concordei quanto a clubes, mas estas unidades de regioes e paises sao totalmente desnecessarias. FkpCascais (talk) 01:13, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Football matter

Hi FkpCascais. I see you are devoted to football and that is great, not my strongest point though (mine is volleyball and to a lesser extent basketball). Either way, this is about Montenegrin player Milorad Peković. On the article his international career is presented as ongoing, whereas on the Montenegro national football team page, it appears his number for caps is dated at 2013, clearly he hasn't played internationally since then. I know he is an active player and there is nothing in the lede about him having retired internationally, do you know any more about this jigsaw piece? --78.145.243.28 (talk) 06:28, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

I will update if I find anything. Usually at WP:FOOTY there is an agreement not to close the national team years unless the player has retired or hasn't played for some amount of time. He has last played for Montenegro in 2013, so it is not that much time (I have seen player having 4-5 years intervals in the national team without retiring). Seems everything is fine in the article. FkpCascais (talk) 14:25, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

Poziv za uređivanjem Vikipedije

Mnogo hvala na pozivu, ali sam sam tu prisutan već dosta vremena, samo nisam radio akaunt. Eh da, šta se tiče pozdrava Bog Pomaže, ja znam da se ne koristi, ali je lep tradicionalni pozdrav. Niti ja ga ne koristim u normalnom govoru, ali znam ponekad ovako kada preko foruma pišem. 141.136.205.75 (talk) 00:02, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

Jeste, lep je tradicionalan pozdrav. Samo što vam ja nisam poverovao da ste srbin iz Hrvatske zbog nekih stvari što ste rekli koje jasno da većina srba nikad ne bi rekli. Možda imate neko mešano korenje, ali ste definitivno jasno hrvatski opredeljeni. Recimo, primer je bio kad ste rekli da da nije bilo Prvog Svetskog Rata da bi Hrvatska verovatno obuhvatala Vojnu Krajinu i Bosnu a jasno je da su upravo srbi iz Hrvatske i Bosne gajili nadu prvenstveno pripajanju Srbiji, ili nekom načinu autonomije unutar Austro-Ugarske tipa Vojvodina što je imala neko vreme, ali nikako pripajanje Hrvatskoj. Ali meni nije uopšte problem ničija nacionalnost. Odrastao sam u ambijentu gde sam učio po medjunardnim školama, radio sa ljudima iz raznih zemalja, ceo žvot mi je vezan za rad i druženje sa ljudima svih nacionalnosti. Vidim da ste čitali diskusije oko Tesle u kojima sam učestvovao, i optuživan sam za anti-Hrvatstvo, ali to nije tačno. Ti editori žele da stave Hrvatsku u sam početak članka da bi na taj način izjednačili Srbiju i Hrvatsku što se predstavljanja Tesle tiče (to je Asdisis priznao, baš ovim rečima, i onim Teslinim rečima da se "jednako ponosi"), i tome se jasno protivim, naročito načinom na koji su to hteli da urade. Znate verovatno koliko je Kralj Aleksandar bio nepopularan u Hrvatskoj (delom sa pravom, ja lično mislim da Hrvatska tada nije trebala da ulazi u SHS nego je trebala da postane nezavisna, i naravno da je većina hrvatskog naroda bila nezadovoljna kad je shvatila da jedino što se promenilo je to da je glavni grad sad bio Beograd a ne Beč i to je izazvalo veliku razočarenje medju hrvatima, nema dileme). Ali sama činjenica da je Tesla pisao o Kralju Aleksandru onako pozivno i hvalio srpsku hrabrost i borbu, sve kažu. Da li se slažete da je rečenica "Isto ponosan u srpski narod i Hrvatsku domovinu" tako sama u stvari izvadjena iz konteksta? Problem su argumenti i ponašanje onim učesnika, ja moram iskreno da kažem da se radi o pametnim tinejdžerima. FkpCascais (talk) 02:58, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

Ja sam Jugoslavenski opredeljen. Ja sam malo čitao diskusije oko Nikole Tesle, jer moji dolaze iz Like, ali nisam hteo da učestvujem na onaj način. Baš zato što sam Jugoslavenski opredeljen. Ja nemam ništa protiv sadašnjeg stanja, samo sam hteo da kažem da je politička situacija oko Vojne Krajine bila složena te da nije na nama da ju rešavamo. Dovoljno je napisati da je Tesla rodom iz Austrijskog Carstva, što se mene tiče. Jer to je skladno onome kako funkcioniše Vikipedija. Ja inače osobno smatram da je Tesli kao Jugoslavenu bila podjednako važna i Srbija i Hrvatska, a tako jest i meni. Jeste kralj bio nepopularan, ali Tesla to nije tako shvaćao. On u pismu nije isticao niti jedan narod protiv drugog, nego je napisao da će kraj dugo živjeti u sjećanju svojih ljudi. On je u pismu upravo branio Jugoslavene od onoga kako su mediji u Americi prikazivali njih, kao narod koji se raspada zbog nacionalnih tenzija. Tako sam ja to shvatio jer sam i sam Jugoslaven kao i Tesla. Meni su također podjednako važni i Srbi i Hrvati, jer ja sam kao Jugoslaven oboje. Ova zadnja izjava jest poznata Teslina izjava, ali ne znam o kakvom kontekstu se radi pošto je došla iz njegovog telegrama. Nije uz nju nikakvog drugog teksta bilo. Bog pomaže FkpCascais. 141.136.205.75 (talk) 12:01, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

Da, pardon, on je to rekao u telegramu Mačeku (imate kopije telegram na Teslinoj strani na hrvatskoj vikipediji), a u pismu Tajmsu je rekao da je rodjen u Hrvatskoj. U to vreme u svetu se lose pisalo o Jugoslaviji jer su hrvati i neki svetski intelektualci poput Ajnštajna pisali kako hrvati lose žive u novoj kraljevini jer srbi imaju dominantnu ulogu a hrvati su ugnjetavani u toj kraljevini. Tako da je konflikt bio izmedju biranja Hrvatske i većih prava Hrvatima, ili Kralja i da nastavi sve da bude kao do tada. Jasno da Tesla pokušava da smiri strasti i tenzije ali je to pisao kao odgovor tim kritikama. Zato hvali srbe i nekako kao da u pismu smatra da hrvati treba da budu zahvalni srbima. I podržava kralja, dok su recimo u to vreme većina hrvata ga mrzeli ili barem kritikovali, jer on je upravo predstavljao srpski nacionalizam i srpku dominaciju u Jugoslaviji. Realno čitajući to pismo ostajem sa utiskom da on govoreći da je rodjen u Hrvatskoj želi više da istakne kako u Hrvatskoj ima i onih koji vole srbe i brane kralja, nego što je imao zaista nameru da kaže da je hrvat. Margaret Čenej u njenoj njizi takodje govori u ovom tonu. Takodje, većina hrvata u to vreme brani veću autonomiju ili čak i nezavisnost Hrvatske, a to Tesla ama baš nikad nije branio. Po meni Tesla jasno da na sve to gleda prvenstveno kao srbin iz Hrvatske ko je zadovoljan što je njegov rodni kraj sad u istoj državi sa Srbijom i ostalim delovima gde žive srbi. Sve je to mnogo daleko od onoga što oni editori navode i tvrde i o načinu na koji vidim da neki pišu o Tesli u današnjoj Hrvatskoj. Ono što deluje nepravedno je to što ostajem sa utiskom da se radi o nekom negativnom da bi ga se hrvati odmah odricali jer bi on bio "zao četnik" ali pošto je Tesla svetski genije, daj onda da ga prisvojimo... Ali tako je to nažalost. FkpCascais (talk) 15:05, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

Da, ja se svakako slažem da je Tesla pisao pismo da smiri tenzije i da pokaže da među svim Jugoslavenima vlada zajedništvo, a ne da se nekima koji šire tenzije daje toliko pažnje. Tesla nije birao strane jer je bio Jugoslaven, a kao Srbin iz Hrvatske posebno se zalagao za zajedništvo Hrvata i Srba, koje je bilo veoma snažno dok je on živio na tim prostorima u Austro-Ugarskoj. On nije živio u Jugoslaviji i na njegovo razmišljanje je prvenstveno utisak imalo upravo to zajedništvo Srba i Hrvata dok je on živio na tim prostorima. Ja mislim da i jedna i druga strana rade nešto što Tesla ne bi hteo. On bi kao Srbin iz Hrvatske i Jugoslaven hteo da spaja Srbe i Hrvate, a ne da ih razdvaja. 141.136.205.75 (talk) 16:00, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

Je li mogu da vas pitam da li znate ko su I otkuda sad ova grupa koja je opsednuta da ubaci reč "Hrvatska" u početak članka Nikole Tesle? Ranije je uvek bilo sa vremena na vreme neko, većinom hrvat, koji je uvak stavljao pod pitanje je li Tesla srbin, ili tražio da se promei u hrvat itd., ali ovaj put ovo deluje zaista koordinirano organizovan napad na članak kakav do sada nije bio vidjen. Po načinu govora i argumentima deluje mi apsolutno jasno da se radi o verovatno povezanoj grupi gimnazijalaca ili medjusobnih prijatelja. FkpCascais (talk) 00:29, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

Ja nisam involviran u taj članak tako da ne pratim tko je tamo aktivan. Samo s vremena na vreme dođem pogledati kakve su rasprave otvorene. Vidim da su sada otvorene neke rasprave, ali ja po običaju ne ću da učestvujem u takvim raspravama. 141.136.201.76 (talk) 15:58, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

Advice

Since you are better acquainted with Wiki football matters than me, particularly pertaining to the Balkans, would you say the 2015 FIFA U-20 World Cup should be mentioned on the main page . I have no idea what the community consensus is regarding such tournaments. 23 editor (talk) 00:15, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

23 editor I am sorry, but I really don't know :/ I never participated in those issues from the main page, and those sort of things. It is a sporting important news, but I have no idea what would be the criterium of inclusion there. FkpCascais (talk) 02:33, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

No worries, I'm going to go ahead and see how much support I can get for its inclusion. 23 editor (talk) 04:04, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

Sebastian Herrera Cardona

It is true that one can find out what his name is spelled in his native country. However, since he (apparently) has a Macedonian passport and is registered in UEFA with his Macedonian documents, in which his name is spelled as Sebastijan Herera Kardona, technically there is nothing wrong with that version and it is certainly not incorrect to spell his name like that, as officially that is indeed his name according to his MKD passport. http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/season=2016/clubs/player=250084031/index.html

User:Msb73505 Really? He is of Macedonian origin? I didnt knew it was you who added it, I just thought it was some IP as usually happends. Really really sorry. :( FkpCascais (talk) 21:30, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

Hey, but wait. Are you sure he has Macedonian passport? Hum it may easily be a mistake at UEFA.com and they just put a Macedonian flag by default because he plays in Rabotnički. FkpCascais (talk) 21:41, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

It seems to be just a mistake of UEFA.com, here is an interview with him from 20 April 2014: link. He says he was born in Bello, Antioquia, but grow up in nearby Pueblo Rico from same municipality, Antioquia, in Colombia. It sas he came to Deportivo Pereira 3 years earlier (in 2011). Born in 23 January 1995 and plays as left-back. No mention of Macedonia. It was just a mistake in UEFA.com. See also Soccerway, Footballdatabase.eu or Fichajes.com. He was playing for Real Santander by August 2013 ([10]). FkpCascais (talk) 21:59, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

Hugo Vieira

Did Hugo Filipe Oliveira join a new club? Where is the source? SLBedit (talk) 21:13, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

Oh, SLBedit I just fixed the name of the club, someone else added that info. I supposed it was right since he is in Belgrade for days already and it was announced everything is agreed between him and Red Star. Let me check if he was officially presented today. FkpCascais (talk) 21:36, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

• I tried to insert only "Red Star" in box (yes I know there is more than one "Red Star" in the world, but reading the storyline and the intro (SERBIAN club) people will immediately know what club we are talking about), was immediately reverted. I give up, whatever. --84.90.219.128 (talk) 18:52, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

It has been usually added everywhere as Red Star Belgrade in full in infoboxes. Not a big problem I hope. FkpCascais (talk) 19:24, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

Miloš Galin

Hey, I created the article on Serbian-Bosnian footballer Miloš Galin yesterday since he played in the Algerian top flight last season. I was able to track his career (bounced around A LOT for a 25 year old) but I can't find any stats except for his time in 3 clubs (used Soccerway as source for that). Since your speciality is football in that region, would you be able to assist? Also, if you see any mistakes in his clubs feel free to fix it. I used FootballDataBase.eu as my source, and it was slightly different from his career on Transfermarkt. TonyStarks (talk) 16:12, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

Yes TonyStarks I will gladly help with all I can. I remember him well, he was FK Rad player but never debuted in the Serbian SuperLiga. The career you added seems correct, I will confirm and find you more sources to put in the article. Before debuting in Algeria, he was unable to have an article because he did not pass notability, as he only played in Bosnian Premier League, Serbian second level and Greek third level. I will add all I find that can help to expand the article and see if I can find his stats. But you already did most of the job, great work. FkpCascais (talk) 16:34, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

Perfect, thanks! TonyStarks (talk) 16:36, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

Ayuda

Esperando que estes bien, necesito si me puedes dar una mano con la pagina de Republic of Ragusa, y en su talk page, ya que hay un usuario que repetidamente elimina textos respecto a la etnicidad en su visión serbo-catolica del siglo XIX hasta mediados del siglo XX, ya que la visión croata solo llego en el ultimo decenio del siglo XIX. Saludos--89.110.220.42 (talk) 18:10, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

¿Te refieres a esto? Ya lo vi, y en verdad no te apoye porque lo que estas añadiendo se refiere a 1830 y el articulo trata solo de la Republica de Ragusa que duro hasta 1807. En mi opinion, deves meter ese texto en la seccion de historia de Dubrovnik. Saludo! FkpCascais (talk) 18:19, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Zdravo

Zdravo prijatelju! Kako si mi? Nadam se da si dobro? Nismo se dugo culi :).--Nado158 (talk) 19:24, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Gde si brate, si dobro? Pisao sam ti na mejl ne znam da li si video, a vrlo moguće da nisam ni ja tvoje mejlove video, retko otvaram mejl, proveriću večeras. Ovde je sve u redu, sve po starom :D Nemam baš puno vremena da editujem, daleko manje nego ranije, al pratim redovn šta se ovde dešava. Kako si ti? Što te nema? FkpCascais (talk) 21:50, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Hvala brate, dobro sam! Nisam video, pogledacu. I ja u zadnje vreme nisam imao toliko vemena, ali skoro svaki drugi dan nesto editujem, vecinom na ne-engleskim stranama. Nema me brate, zato sto su mi zabranili da editujem sve sta je povezano za SRB, i sport, zbog slucaja sa FK Trepcom, smesno, jer sam na kraju bio u pravu, ali jednostavno su "ekipa" radili svoje i ignorisali me.--Nado158 (talk) 23:03, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

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I wish to prevail on your wisdom

Hi FkpCascais. I know you're trying to do the right thing, but wouldn't it better if you just disengaged from Detoner (and other SPAs)? You're not going to change their minds, or their conduct, so why not just ignore them? The benefit is that several talk pages would not fill up with pointless discussions like talk:Nikola Tesla#Semi-protected edit request on 13 July 2015, Talk:Nikola Tesla/Nationality and ethnicity#They just cant drop it and Talk:Military Frontier#Austrian vs local control. Please consider ignoring these users, because when you engage with them, you give them legitimacy.- MrX 14:23, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I see your point. I will disengage, I wrote a summary of their activity at the ANI report and I asked them for sources, so anyway I think I did my part here. But, if I am not present all time in the discussions, they will not have me as excuse, so I perfectly understand what you mean. Many thanks MrX. FkpCascais (talk) 14:57, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

2001

Primetio sam, ali mu treba dati prostora, vidi se da se trudi, ali još uvek nema dobre izvore, ili nije provalio neke stvari. Uostalom, ja sam bio mnogo gori kada sam počeo. Ja bih hteo sve pomalo, ali previše je ambicije, a malo vremena. Još se najesen definitivno selim za BG na faks, na koji prošle godine nisam otišao, ali ću ispratiti koliko mogu. Nego, kako mi se čini, ovaj vaš Božinov nije loš, deluje kao pogodak. A Abu je samo dokaz koliko stranci procvetaju kad odu iz Zvezde. Nadam se da može nešto da ispdne sa ovima tipa Ibanjez i ovaj Viera, ali ako bude kao dosad, bojim se da će i oni brzo da odu. Mislim i vi ste imali Đuru, ali ste igrali evropu, ali kad vidim ove ,,naučnike" poput Tvorze i Kokeze... Da se vratim na temu, čini mi se da se u poslednje vreme neki likovi stvarno žešće promovišu na Wiki, onaj Jugović, recimo, vidim da stalno briše da je igrao za Slogu. Najverovatnije on sam. Što se mene tiče, bolje da nije ni bio u Kraljevu, jer sem promašenog penala nemam po čemu da ga pamtim. S druge strane ovaj Kurtušić briše da je igrao za Vršac, plus statistika, a sumnjiv mi je i Obradović iz Rada. Ako oni stvarno misle da je neko toliko naivan da ih angažuje zbog cifara na Wikipediji, ja onda stvarno ne znam. Kontam da Butasport kopira transfere sa Wikipedije, ali dobro. Sve me to zajedno manje nervira od toga što u vremenu informacija i modernih tehnologija ne možeš da iščupaš informacije koje ti trebaju, nego moraš da izmišljaš i da se dovijaš, ne bi li našao to što tražiš. Recimo, do pre par dana nisam znao zašto se u niškom radničkom ne koristi desetka, ali me je zanimalo zašto je niko ne nosi već duže vreme i onda sam našao ono o Belom. U kragujevačkom radničkom s druge strane, 12 niko ne nosi već nekoliko sezona, moraću da istražim, jer i ako je povučena, najverovatnije je zbog navijača, ali čisto sumnjam da je zvanično. Ali dobro, kroz koju godinu, nadam se, možda bude malo bolje, ako sad, posle uspeha U20 ne privuku neku ivesticiju, onda ne znam kad će. Pozdrav! Lotom (talk) 19:45, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

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Pomoć

Potreban mi je savet od tebe kao iskusnijeg Vikipedijanca. Ukoliko na nekoj stranici imam da stavim nešto što želim da naznačim kao neku vrstu napomene vezano za neki podatak (npr. da za jednu informaciju postoje dva različita podatka, sa naravno navedenim referencama i izvorima tih podataka), kako to mogu učiniti? — Nn94 14 (talk) 09:34, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Ne razumem baš najbolje na šta misliš.... Misliš one template kao unsourced, citation needed, i to? FkpCascais (talk) 12:21, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Konkretno se odnosi na to da sam da sam za jednu utakmicu (finale kupa SRJ za košarkašice) našao dva različita rezultata, i to na različitim izvorima. Kako bih mogao da to naglasim (uz naravno postavljanje izvora gde sam našao te rezultate)? — Nn94 14 (talk) 18:44, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Napiši upravo tako kao što jeste, da u izvoru X piše da je rezultat taj a u izvoru Y ovaj. FkpCascais (talk) 19:10, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Hteo sam tako i da napišem, ali kako mogu to označiti, nešto slično kao za reference ili ? — Nn94 14 (talk) 19:17, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Referencu pored svakog rezultata. FkpCascais (talk) 19:24, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

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Kuzmanović

Hvala, neki put ne gledam dovoljno, zaletim se, tu se zejebem uvek. Kopam od jutros po Žurnalu, tj. onom štampanom dodatku, tražim ko je gde, a Srbijafudbal istek'o, pa dok se ne vrati hvatam keširano što imam. Ispadoše mi oči. A i ova Jagodina, kako je krenula ispada iz lige. I za to si definitivno u pravu, ne može obdanište da igra, ako hoćeš neki uspeh. Lotom (talk) 13:06, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Ahah ne brini, shvatio sam odmah da si verovatno brzo pogledao članak, piše 7 novajlija i predposavio da je on jedan od njih, ali nije, tek pregovaraju sa njim, a 7 novajlija su drugi. Ma svi ovi srednji i manji klubovi su slabi, ništa mi se ne svidja liga. FkpCascais (talk) 11:53, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

International Olympiads of Cetinje 1935

Dear FkpCascais, I have noticed your huge contributions on the sports pages of Wikipedia and I was wondering if you could help me at your leisure with the following: In both these sources ([11] and [12]) I find that an international sports event, sometimes called International Olympiad (perhaps the first of its kind), was held in Cetinje, Zeta in 1935. I can't find an article in relation to them in wiki, and I was wondering if they existed, or existed under other names. They may have been important regional track and field events for the time, and I would really appreciate your help in finding other sources for them, and possibly collaborate into having an article. Albanian athletes from Shkoder participated in them, which makes it really interesting, as it may have been their first participation in an international event, that's how I became curious. Might be a challenging task, so take your time in responding me. Kindly. --PoshteMorriKuq (talk) 13:06, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Sure, I will try to see around if I can find something about that event. Tell me one thing, it included many sports? Football too? FkpCascais (talk) 17:35, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

The only activities mentioned are track and field events, I doubt it had other. Just to let you know, the source says that the association of Shkoder athletes was a student one, and since Shkoder didn't have a university of studies, they must have been from the few 2-3 catholic schools, along with the Madrasa Muslim one, so it must have been for young men aged 16-20. Might be a clue, perhaps. On a unrelated note, in these sources are mentioned some friendlies of the Cetinje football squad, played in the early 1920s against Vllaznia Shkoder, but they are unrelated to the Olympiad. Your correct removal of KF Tirana friendlies reminded me of the fact that most articles on pre WWII international friendlies in the Balkans should be based on articles such as these. ——PoshteMorriKuq (talk) 19:20, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

What I use most are books about football. Till now I haven't found any mention of that event, but it may take me time to search it. I have a passion for pre-WWII football, but the information is scares and, based on some mistakes in the past, I learned the lesson that it is better to have less information but certainly correct than lot of uncertain one. That was really the only reason I asked for removing the table of friendlies. Or, to be more precise, I didn't wanted at all the table to be removed, but just to be sourced, so we can see that the info is verified and the source of it. It is a bit late now, but tomorrow I will see some books dealing with football in Montenegro pre-1945 period and I hope the International Olympiad is mentioned there. FkpCascais (talk) 01:40, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Disruptive behavior report

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Some advice, again. Surely you must realize that someone who changes IPs faster than we change our socks has nothing to lose by edit warring with you. You must also realize that anyone not savvy to everything happening may just block both parties for edit warring. This is clearly the goal of the IP sock puppet.

Please do not be baited by this master baiter(that is someone who is very skilled in baiting). Being right won't prevent you from being blocked if you allow yourself to be manipulated, and that is the last thing I want to see. Chillum 16:54, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Chillum. The edit-warring stoped. But here they are again, now in another talk-page, making same walls of text and ignoring lists of reliable sources saying precisely the opposite. And now instead of bringing sources, they make reports... FkpCascais (talk) 16:57, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

I think we can just ignore this persons comments with a simple note below them stating that these concerns have already been addressed. They can make reports all they want, if our behaviour is beyond reproach then they will only be reporting themselves. Let us not give this POV warrior ammunition that they can use to give the appearance that they are being treated unfairly. Chillum 17:04, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

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Basketball

Hi. In basketball articles we add categories when players make official debut for the club.--Bozalegenda (talk) 12:34, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

OK, cool, I didn't knew that. Thanks. FkpCascais (talk) 13:12, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

Template:Airlines of Bosnia and Herzegovina

This is a menu to help users navigate between articles on Wikipedia. For a full list of defunct airlines of Bosnia & Herzegovina, even those not on Wikipedia, one should see List of defunct airlines of Bosnia and Herzegovina. Thakaran (talk) 20:31, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

@Thakaran: thanks. It is just that usually redlinks motivate people to make those articles, I was thinking of making some of them myself. Personally I am more inclined in having the airlines listed despite being redlinked, but OK. FkpCascais (talk) 20:49, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

NATO bombing timeline in Kosovo war

FkpCascais,What do Norwegian Special Forces have to do with 'NATO bombing timeline'? An already bloated section (with its own article) is further enlarged by material completely unconnected with the section's subject. I don't know where/if the material belongs, but it clearly does not belong where it is. Accuse me of being too lazy to find a place for the material perhaps, but it doesn't belong where you restored it.Pincrete (talk) 20:28, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Could you suggest a better section for it? I don't oppose it at all, I just had in mind the date of the event described there. FkpCascais (talk) 01:09, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Novak

Koji je tvoj problem i zašto ubacuješ neistine i hrvatsku propagandu? Ničim izazvan si ubacio navodne nacionalnosti Novakovih roditelja, bez ikakvog razloga uništavaš članak takve sportske veličine. Zna se da je Novak Srbin i nastupa za Srbiju, mnogo puta je to naveo, a da ne govorimo koliko voli svoju zemlju, Srbiju. Nije u redu da tako radiš, a time podupireš nacionalističku i šovinističku propagandu koju neki pokušavaju da primene na Novaku Djokovicu. Poništio sam tvoju izmenu, mislim da to nije tačno i nije potrebno ubacivati, hvala na razumevanju.--Soundwaweserb (talk) 17:32, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Ako pratiš članak mogao bi malo da pratiš i diskusije na njegovoj talk-page ;) A i da kažeš tamo možda nešto. Pozdrav. FkpCascais (talk) 18:21, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

@Soundwaweserb: i šta si ti mene ovde došao da zajebavaš i da mi soliš pamet? "Zna se da je Novak Srbin blabla..." Uuu jak ti argument, pazi ja to nisam znao! -_- ...Nema ovde "zna se" nego idi tamo vidi šta se diskutovalo i mrdni dupetom a ne ja sam na sve strane sve da radim. Oni imaju izvor da je on sam rekao da mu je majka hrvatica, a ti sad lepo uzmi i nađi izvore koji će to da demantuju ako hoćeš nešto korisno da uradiš. Jer svako može da lupa revert i drugima soli pamet. FkpCascais (talk) 18:37, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

@FkpCascais: Pa ko je ovde lud prijatelju. Jel sam ja ubacio te podatke u članak? Jel su prethodne kolege odbile da ubace takve zahteve na stranicu? Odbijeno je, oni su odbili da ubace netačne podatke, a onda si se ti pojavio i ubacio te gluposti koje zahtevaju IP adrese! Pa nemoj meni onda ti soliti pamet, a sad da se mešam ne mogu pošto mi je engleski slabiji i bio bih pogrešno protumačen. Zajebo si ti stvar što si se mešao i još si konfuzno nastupio, kao bio protiv, a onda upravo si sebe demantovao i uradio skroz pogrešnu stvar na stranici. Saberi se, ja sam na tvojoj strani, vidim da si pošten i realno radiš i pomazes srpskim vikipedijancima. Nema potrebe da gubimo vreme, ja cu svakako vracati i revertovati onakve izmene. Jebote, u sustini se slazemo a ispade da se svadjamo. Pozdrav.--Soundwaweserb (talk) 18:50, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

@FkpCascais: Ovo je vrlo vazno kao podatak link, tu je stvar jasna ko su Novakovi roditelji - obrati paznju sta govori Novakov otac, dakle nema cistije situacije, a losa namera tih IP adresa se vidi iz aviona, njih ne interesuje enciklopedija vec politika i brojanje krvnih zrnaca. Ima takodje i ovde gde jasno on sam izjavljuje za koga zeli da nastupa (referencirano). E sad, vidim da ovi likovi sa IP adresa imaju veoma lose namere, tj. pokusavaju danima da proguraju neistine, jasno je kolika je antisrpska propaganda i sta oni zele.--Soundwaweserb (talk) 19:22, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Moraš onda da dođeš tamo na diskusiju i kažeš upravo to. Ne znam ja šta se ranije tamo diskutovalo, nisam ti ja ni neki Noletov stručnjak, jeste super igra baš fino, a sad da znam ko mu je ćaća, keva, stric, sestričina, to pojma nemam. Ilegalac IP je na svim srpsko-hrvatskim debatama uvek do sada bio bezvezan i totalno bezopasan, sad jednom prvi put se naoružao izvorom, jebeš ga, kažem ti, ne znam ništa Noletov život u detalje, Cannolis je video situaciju i predložio da se ubaci to kako sam ja ubacio u slučaju da je izvor OK i ja sam to uradio, ja ti striktno poštujem izvore. Pozdrav!

Hahahahah :) -- Director (talk) 18:55, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

A šta se ti smeješ? :D Sad ćeš dobiti po guzici. Ti si se otcepio idi sad tamo slušaj tvoje purgere, nećeš da nam priznaš našu treću Jugoslaviju, kakva je takva je bila, jebeš ga, gde god sam bio nosio sam moj FR Yugoslavia pasoš, gledao moju Jugoslovensku reprezenzaciju sve do 2003. gde išao govorili da sam iz Jugoslavije, ti sad tu tebi se ona ne sviđa, ne priznaješ, one dve jesu a ova treća nije, ne može to tako nisam ti ja kriv što ste se vi cepili a mi hteli kontinuitet... A ti mali asdisis, vreme je za spavanje, ajde, sutra ujutru školica, imaš dosta da učiš mada vidim ja kako oni vas uče tu,tuga i žalost. FkpCascais (talk) 20:51, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Kapiraš ti da FRJ nije jedina pravna sljednica SFRJ? Nakon raspada Jugoslavija je prestala postojati. To što se Srbija i Crna Gora zvala Jugoslavija nema nikakve veze sa ikakvom Jugoslavijom, nego se tako nastavila zvati iz vjerojatno dva razloga. Kasnije je i promijenila ime što govori da stvarno nije bila nikakve Juga. --Tuvixer (talk) 09:22, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Consensus

Do you realize the RfC was formally closed and that the consensus reads :". There is also consensus for the wording used in the Croatian War of Independence article.". What exactly is your problem? I'll ask you, who's "extremely problematic cause they are unable to accept and disengage" here?176.111.41.12 (talk) 19:36, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

The article Croatian War of Independence says:

"On 22 December 1990, the Parliament of Croatia ratified the new constitution,[89] which was seen by Serbs as taking away rights that had been granted by the Socialist constitution.[90] The constitutional amendment of 1971 of SR Croatia included a controversial formulation which stated that Croatia was not the national state of Croats but it was a state of Croats and Serbs in Croatia.[91] The new constitution changed the status of Serbs in Croatia from constituent nation to national minority.[92][93][94][95][96][97][98][99] The new constitution defined Croatia as "the national state of the Croatian nation and a state of members of other nations and minorities who are its citizens: Serbs ... who are guaranteed equality with citizens of Croatian nationality ..."[81]

So what "consensus" are you talking about? Consensus is when there is a situation of conflicting sources and editors discuss and make consensus. Regarding this issue here, there were no pevious consensuses and all we have is a text backed on reliable sources. There are no conflicting sources so there is no conflict. Just you wanting to make changes and challenging what seems setled. FkpCascais (talk) 21:26, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

Do you really think I wouldn't go to the history to see what happened. You make that edit unilaterally while the RfC was still opened, which just proves your bad faith. You first reference a RfC there and while it is still opened you go and make the changes yourself. Nevertheless, the editor who closed the edit referenced the exact sentence he was speaking about at the end of RfC. 176.111.41.12 (talk) 22:43, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

So, are you saying all those authors that are cited almost verbatin are all wrong, and you are right? FkpCascais (talk) 22:49, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

I'm saying that the consensus is established in the closed RfC and that it supports my edit request. The user who closed the RfC and assessed the consensus had confirmed that my suggestion is according to the consensus. I ask you again, what's your problem? 176.111.41.12 (talk) 23:16, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

The only one having problems here is you. The articles are there, are excellently sourced, its just you having nothing better to do than continuing this fight just because you cant accept what sources say. FkpCascais (talk) 23:27, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

The only one having problems here is you. The RfC is there, it is closed and the consensus is established, its just you having nothing better to do than continuing this fight just because you cant accept what the consensus says. 176.111.41.12 (talk) 23:39, 14 October 2015 (UTC)