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Signpost

Hi! Would any members here be interested in interviewing about your work on this WikiProject for the SignPost? Ping me or let me know on my talk page. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 18:51, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Salvidrim! I'd still be interested in hearing about your contributions. Is it OK if I shoot you an email? Thanks for recommending @GamerPro64, Czar, and Masem:. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 19:53, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Sure thing.☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 20:08, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I'm game. GamerPro64 20:58, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Megalibrarygirl, let me know what you need czar 02:53, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Megalibrarygirl I've got some free time, I wouldn't either, although I don't do many technical aspects for the project as much as the three Salvidrim mentioned. JAGUAR  20:01, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Jaguar, Salvidrim, and GamerPro64:, I'll shoot emails your way. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 21:49, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Megalibrarygirl I'm available for questions too. --MASEM (t) 00:17, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Masem, I've shot you an email, too. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 15:43, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @Megalibrarygirl:, I'm a bit late, but if you need another person, I'd be happy to help out. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 11:33, 7 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The Signpost issue featuring interviews from WP:VG members was published yesterday, so I'm afraid you're too late. ~Mable (chat) 12:18, 7 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Should we treat VR units as new platforms with respect to infobox

Should we treat the VR platforms like Oculus Rift, HTC Vibe, and PlayStation VR as new hardware platforms in considering games that have both non-VR and VR versions (like Superhot)? I'm assuming "yes" presently, but would like to get more opinions. --MASEM (t) 19:43, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yes - Regardless of what developer creates games for the system, VR is a distinct gaming platform, like Virtual Boy was back in the day, and just as different mobile devices have become. We need to treat it as its own platform. --ProtoDrake (talk) 19:52, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have a couple of questions about this regarding infobox inclusions. For PlayStation VR games should we list both PlayStation VR and PlayStation 4 in the infobox? For PC VR games should we list both the operating system and VR device? Also, what if several years down the line there are dozens of VR devices from different manufacturers, would we have to list every single one that a game was compatible with? --The1337gamer (talk) 20:09, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • Starting with the last, right now there's only three viable players in the market, and they purposely use different protocols, so they are closed systems akin to the Xbox/Playstation, hence why I feel right now they should be treated as separate hardware units. If VR takes off in any appreciable manner to where we'd have dozens of manufacturers, I would fully expect that there will be some type of open standard, or that they will be segmented based on a specific protocol, otherwise that market will eat itself pretty quickly (see 1983 video game crash). That is, there may be a dozen VR units, but 5 of those work to the Oculus specs, 3 to the HTC specs, 4 to the PS VR one, in which case, there's still only three platforms. It's a lot of speculation for now, but for this question, I really can't see the market go in a direction that would make us have to think about support even a dozen different VR sets in the box.
    • To the other questions, since right now the VR hardware requires a specific type of host system (Oculus + HTC on PC, PS VR on PS4), if the game is solely a VR game, I would only list the VR unit, since the gaming hardware is thus implicitly given. If we ever get to a point where one of the VR sets works on multiple systems, but games are still tied to the underlying system, then we might have to consider spelling out both, eg "Oculus Rift for Windows" as opposed to "Oculus Rift for Xbox" (if that ever came to be). --MASEM (t) 20:53, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • As a second option: we could use the display= field in the infobox to add in what VR unit(s) can be used, potentially if they are required; that might be a way to avoid some of the problems noted above. --MASEM (t) 21:59, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • No - They still need an OS to run, and the Virtual Boy was it's own inclusive system, so we shouldn't compare it to that. Perhaps we could add a specific VR field instead? ~ Dissident93 (talk) 23:08, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • I do like the idea of a separate VR-field. Makes it easy to list what a game's VR support is without diluting the actual platform it is on. Especially with virtual reality games on console, this would be a big boon. ~Mable (chat) 06:49, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes - VR is very much so a separate kind of thing, and should be mentioned as such. Sergecross73 msg me 23:54, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • Mentioned, of course, but would this be in the platform section? You'd still need a base platform/OS to play it, and we need the GamePad and/or Amiibo to play certain Wii U games, but that's never mentioned (outside of the prose). ~ Dissident93 (talk) 03:03, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
      • I think it needs to be mentioned somewhere in the infobox though - its such a different experience, it's something the reader is going to want to being able to see quickly in the infobox overview. I don't really understand why we wouldn't want to delineate that somewhere in the infobox. If not in the platform, then still somewhere. Sergecross73 msg me 12:56, 3 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
        • I agree 100%, however it would be better and cleaner to simply make a new field for VR in the infobox, rather than put all that infomation into the platform field. (We wouldn't list the Gamepad or another type of mandatory controller as a platform, would we?) ~ Dissident93 (talk) 22:54, 3 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
          • Or, possibly to be ready for the future, having a "peripheral" that would specifically for games on a system that require hardware not normally associated with that system (I think that's the way to describe it but I might be wrong). That is, Kinect-based and PS Move-based games would have something here because neither unit are shipped by default with those consoles, but we would NOT do the same for Wii/Wii U motion-based games as that's integral to it. For PC-based games, we would reasonable assume that access to keyboard/mouse and controllers are standard so only in a case of a game like, say, Rocksmith which requires a electric guitar and provided cord, would that be used. This is to avoid spamming that field with "controller" when a controller is a default piece on that system. However, I'm not 100% sure on how this propagates through for all possible cases. --MASEM (t) 23:12, 3 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • It depends on whether the the VR unit is an actual platform (where the game runs) or a display device that requires an external platform to run the game. It shouldn't be listed as a platform if it's simply a display device (like a monitor). --Niwi3 (talk) 12:19, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • I fully agree with Niwi3, and I'm wary about including a VR field in the infobox - we don't really do that with any other hardware. It definitely should be mentioned in the article, though.--IDVtalk 12:28, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • No: I agree with Dissident93. These games still require an OS to run, and that's why we don't usually mention Kinect in the infobox. I would only agree to them being listed in the display field if the game is a VR exclusive, in which you can't play the game without the VR device. AdrianGamer (talk) 12:43, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think a wait-and-see method might be best here. Let's just start this conversation up again in three years when VR might have really come onto its own and news media knows how to deal with such games. Of course, if notable, virtual reality support should always be mentioned in the prose. I think it has its own categories too, making mass-changes to infoboxes of such games when needed much easier. ~Mable (chat) 13:22, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • This, and things like Kinect, would have been fine for the input field had we not killed it in 2010. - hahnchen 07:35, 4 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Maybe. Games for Kinect-only do not have Kinect listed as the platform either, which to me is similar in nature: a specific peripheral. However, for some games the digital distribution is mentioned in parantheses in the platform, like PlayStation 3 (PSN). I wouldn't object to seeing it like that. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 11:31, 7 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • No - If I were to play Alien: Isolation on my PC with an Oculus, I'm still playing on Windows. VR is just a way to display the game like using a curved display, a multi display setup, or something similar with the added feature of motion input. The developers have programmed the game to properly support the display and motion controller input, but it is not running the game or graphics processing, so it is not a dedicated port. It is a controller/display hybrid. I would support adding a field to the info box like the "Arcade System" field but instead read "VR Support" or something and there you could list VR platforms officially supported. TarkusAB 16:10, 9 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Collapsible lists

  • Hi, welcome to the Video games project! Both of the issues you two are talking about have been discussed in depth before; while you can find articles that haven't been brought in line, the general rule is a) don't include emulated releases in the infobox; while they're fine for text, the lists get incredibly long if you include every platform that a game was emulated on without any changes such as virtual console releases. b) Similarly, if a game was released in 4 regions on 5 platforms, them you get a 25-line, 20-date list that's largely superfluous to most readers, so the standard is to collapse the list down to just one date, and have readers that are interested click on the "show" button to see more. --PresN 20:42, 3 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Ping me if it happens again czar 15:55, 9 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal to create new Mobile games task force

I've started a discussion here on the subject of creating a new "mobile games task force" of this WikiProject. I'm posting about it here because I feel that it may interest those watching this page. Thanks! Omni Flames let's talk about it 06:57, 5 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Jaguar II - Does it Exist?

An article in the April 1995 issue of Next Generation says that the Atari Jaguar II is actually just the in-house codename for the Jaguar CD, and was misinterpreted by some members of the press as being a separate console. An article in the May 1995 issue of Electronic Gaming Monthly still refers to the Jaguar II and Jaguar CD as separate products, but all it says about the Jaguar II is "The Jaguar 2 is being readied by Atari and will boast a double-speed CD-ROM drive"; the exact same thing could be said about the Jaguar CD. The Jaguar II actually being the Jaguar CD also fits well with the fact that the Jaguar III was the codename for the Atari Jaguar Duo, a combined Jaguar/Jaguar CD. Taking a look at the WP article for the Jaguar II, I see we thus far have no sources which verify the console's existence. Even the dates essentially match up with the Jaguar CD. The article says the Jaguar II was cancelled in summer 1995; since the Jaguar CD launched in September 1995, it makes sense that the Jaguar II rumors would have dropped off in the summer of that year.

So, does anyone have good reason to believe that there really was a successor console to the Atari Jaguar in the works? Or should we convert Atari Jaguar II into a redirect to Atari Jaguar CD?--Martin IIIa (talk) 13:45, 5 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • I'd redirect it too unless/until some sources can verify it. Sometimes misinformation like this would spread like this in the old days, and without the internet being very prevalent, its hard to find the clarifications. For example, rumors of Sonic 2 being for Sega CD or having time travel elements, when the reality is just that someone was getting their rumors mixed up with Sonic CD. It could be something like this. Sergecross73 msg me 15:22, 9 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, done. Thanks for the feedback.--Martin IIIa (talk) 12:05, 10 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

A strange request

Would anyone here happen to have access to the Virginia Tech campus networks? The article "5 A Day Adventures" uses a reference that can only be opened when connected to their networks. Anarchyte (work | talk) 09:59, 6 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It's not in ProQuest's theses & dissertations database, which typically holds these. I would contact the Virginia Tech webmaster or the author directly. czar 15:50, 6 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Reminder: E3 next week

E3 is next week, so will come (likely) lots of new games announcements. Hardware news is expected to be light (NX is likely not there, and MS may reveal a new Xbox One base design), so we're probably looking at a software-heavy conference.

As in the past, it is strongly advised to avoid creating new articles based solely on a title, a teaser video, and a release window, if possible. Salt the redirects, for certain, but for sequels and spin-offs, these should be included in series articles, unless there is more information that comes following the big press conferences that can give more than just a stubby new article. For new IP, if the developer is notable, it is better to start a section there rather than a new article. --MASEM (t) 14:40, 6 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'll try to put my scratchpads together like I have done in years past for info that seems important, but I think I might do them on this page instead of the console pages. Little more exposure and use. Zero Serenity (talk - contributions) 15:02, 6 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I'll keep my eye on my side of things. They'll probably be a lot of new stuff springing from the Japanese scene. Won't be able to look at the announcements in person, though. It'll be the middle of the night when most of it is going on for me. --ProtoDrake (talk) 15:31, 6 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Guild of Copy Editors – June blitz

Hi all, the Guild of Copy Editors is taking on our backlog this month. Their June Blitz starts next week. If you are interested in participating, see Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Blitzes/June 2016 czar 02:33, 7 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Game Company Pages

Hello fellow Wikipedians! Reviewing the page HandyGames I noticed that editors affiliated with the company have been trying to cite every single game they've released with a link to their website. I would just like to ask if anybody can tell me what Wikipedia's policy on lists of video games and whether every game needs a citation? BlitzGreg (talk) 09:34, 7 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It would be best to either cite the existence of these games to reliable secondary sources, or if such is not possible in most cases, not create such a list at all. Linking to a primary source is not that far away from original research, IMO. If the editors are affiliated with the company, there definitely needs to be some oversight. The issue you're describing sounds like a strong conflict of interest. Linking to your own website is never a good sign. ~Mable (chat) 09:43, 7 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Citing uncontroversial things to a primary source should be okay, but secondary, reliable sources would be better. If a games list only uses primary sources however, I'd question whether it's at all notable.--IDVtalk 09:52, 7 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

WebCite down?

I've been trying to get WebCite to archive a page for me, but I can't get any response from it, even after I cleared out my browser cache. Google Chrome says "www.webcitation.org’s server DNS address could not be found". It's been this way, it seems, since June 5. Can anyone find out what's happening? --ProtoDrake (talk) 19:08, 7 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't know. I see sites cover Google Cache, The Wayback Machine, and archive.is more than they do with Webcitation so there might not be any information on this. GamerPro64 19:17, 7 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It periodically goes down (and was under construction earlier this week)—give it 24/72 hours before getting too worried czar 19:25, 7 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Those are good news to me since some years ago I used the site a lot.Tintor2 (talk) 19:37, 7 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Before it went down, I was getting "disk full" errors when trying to archive a reference, so they may be moving everything to a larger disk, or rebuilding the server to include more space, or any number of things related to that. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 20:57, 7 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

IGDB notability?

The Internet Game Database article was created recently along with efforts to paste it into multiple articles as External links. Could someone review this for notability? Based on Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Video_games/Sources/Archive_11#Internet_Game_Database_.28IGDB.com.29, it is being treated like IMDb as not currently a reliable source as it is user-submitted. Also, what about its use for External links? AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 18:54, 9 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Someone has to say it, the notability of a subject with regards to its inclusion as an article is a separate topic entirely from its reliability and usability as a reference for content in other articles. ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 19:02, 9 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Right. I'm asking for those two things. 1) IGDB as an article 2) Propagating it as an external link on game pages and voice actor pages. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 19:07, 9 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Shouldn't it follow the standard of WP:VG/EL, specifically the "if the page contains substantial information that is relevant but not necessarily encyclopedic in nature" guideline? For older games without any sort of official page for it, it could be added, but for something modern, no. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 00:39, 10 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
That being said, if IGDB is really at IMDB levels (which I haven't fully assessed yet), then it is already standard to add IMDB as an EL in film & actor articles, so I could easily see a case being made for IGDB in VG articles. ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 00:47, 10 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I'm afraid I AfD'ed it. A video game IMDb sounds like a good thing, but I can't find any reliable sources mentioning the database. I don't think we need to link to IGDB right now either, I looked up Fallout 3 (picked that one because it's a huge multiplatform award-winning game of the previous generation), and what I see doesn't seem necessary or informational to me. Platforms, release dates, publishers, developers. Extended information includes series, game modes, player perspective, genre, engine and theme. A price checker, DLC and credits. Nothing that isn't covered already by Wikipedia or by good ol' MobyGames. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 12:53, 10 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't mind revisiting if it ever caught on like IMDB did, but there's really no shortage of (better) video game databases out there, so I see no particular reason to start adding this one as an EL either... Sergecross73 msg me 12:55, 10 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, there is really no reason to use IGDB instead of Mobygames, which should only be used as a last resort anyway. At least IMDB links can be accepted for games with notable cast lists (Metal Gear Solid, Uncharted, etc) ~ Dissident93 (talk) 14:22, 10 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the feedback. Will see how the AFD plays out. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:57, 10 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Question about "cancelled" in title

Hi everyone,

We've got Insane (2001 video game) and there's Insane (cancelled video game). WP:NCVGDAB doesn't say anything about a similarly titled cancelled video game. We've got Doom (1993 video game) and Doom (2016 video game), but they are both released, with the year of release in the title. Since the cancelled one was never released, shouldn't the 2001 Insane be called Insane (video game), with a hatnote to the cancelled one? soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 15:20, 10 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"cancelled" is roughly equivalent to a year disambiguation; it's just that we have no year (and for cancelled games, do not expect ever to have a year), so from that perspective I don't think I would necessarily agree with changing the name of the released game. WP:TWODABS/WP:PTOPIC/WP:INCOMPLETEDAB may be interesting reading. --Izno (talk) 15:36, 10 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, that's how I was reading it too. Since there's no appropriate year, they subbed in "cancelled" instead. That's probably what I would have done, had I made the article. Sergecross73 msg me 15:47, 10 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Let's examine precendent for cancelled games requiring disambiguation:
    Dirty Harry (2007 video game) was cancelled but still dab'ed by year due to a planned release (unsourced though); we could disambiguate the later game as Insane (2011 video game if we go by announcement date?
    A few games were cancelled for a platform but released on others so they are disambiguated by year normally if necessary
    Fortress (Grin) disambiguates by developper name, which could be an option (Insane (Volition)/Insane (Volition video game) or with THQ's name)
    Interestingly (and surprisingly, at least to me), not other article about a cancelled video game uses the "cancelled video game" disambiguator. (Then there is also the debate as to whether we should use canceled or cancelled). ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 15:51, 10 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Another example is Titan_(Blizzard_Entertainment_project) (where there are several other Titan-named games and related video game concepts).
    One thing to consider is that a cancelled video game is one that likely has gained a reputation before it was cancelled as to have sufficient notability for an article. That reputation is often titled with the developer (even if its not the developer's fault), so I would agree if disambiguation is needed, something like "(developer project)" or "(developer video game)" (depending at what state it was cancelled) might be a good way to go. --MASEM (t) 18:30, 10 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    In this case, the notability is proabably most tied to Del Toro's involvement. Insane (Guillermo Del Toro) by itself sounds like a BLPvio waiting to happen, and Insane (Guillermo Del Toro project) seems long for a six-letter-title. Insane (Del Toro project) or Insane (Del Toro video game) maybe? ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 19:14, 10 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    We're still going to need to disambiguate the game regardless (Insane being a very common word/title across the board). While Del Toro's involvement was really its claim to fame, I would probably still stick with Volition as the dev name here, but I don't see an issue using Del Toro's full name along with "video game" or "project". --MASEM (t) 19:18, 10 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • (edit conflict) I like "GameTitle (Developer)" for this kind of disambiguation—it's the two elements most likely needed to find the disambiguated game. I don't think that "project" adds value to the title. czar 19:29, 10 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

For what it's worth, I think the current usage here is fine. Changing the title of the 2001 game to Insane (video game) would suggest that the cancelled title is not actually video game, which is silly. Using alternative disambiguators doesn't seem necessary here unless another game titled Insane gets cancelled, right? The "cancelled/canceled" issue seems to be th largest problem. ~Mable (chat) 21:10, 10 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Isn't that just another US/UK English thing? So, if the developer is from the US, use canceled, and if it's from the UK/NZ/Australia/etc, use cancelled. Otherwise, use whichever you prefer. Create a redirect for the other variant, and there shouldn't be any problems.--IDVtalk 21:20, 10 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Not really a problem, I guess; more like an inconsistency. Then again, I'm pretty sure we're also using "colour" and "color" randomly, so I suppose it doesn't matter at all ^_^; ~Mable (chat) 21:22, 10 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Added Japanese front covers of Japan-only original releases

Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2016 May 17#‎Front covers of Star Ocean (video game) says retain Japanese front cover, though the discussion is not yet closed. Therefore, I added Japanese front covers of Dragon Quest VI: Realms of Revelation and Dragon Quest V: Hand of the Heavenly Bride into infoboxes and then pushed the DS covers into their own sections. Is this acceptable? --George Ho (talk) 04:59, 11 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'll elaborate: Star Ocean (video game) still has the Super Famicom front cover, and the PSP one is used in a section. Therefore, I used the discussion as precedent to add the covers of the original releases because of lengthy time distances between original releases and re-releases in newer platform. --George Ho (talk) 05:41, 11 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

New articles - 10 June

Main page: Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/New article announcements

New articles from the past week. This post has been made to help raise the visibility of new articles being created that fall under this project.

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Salavat (talk) 06:05, 11 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Review Thread 25

No Subtitle Edition. It's been a while since the last one, and there's a whole bunch of articles waiting to be reviewed.

FAC
  • Blast Corps (nom) - active since April 22, has three supports and one set of comments
FLC
GAN
PR

Begging Thread

I'll review any one GAN except Resonance of Fate, From Dust and Fire Emblem Fates, or do a review of any PR/FAC/FLC, in exchange for a review of one of my GANs: Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - Trials and Tribulations, Ace Attorney Investigations 2 and Ace Attorney.--IDVtalk 12:44, 11 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"Single player" at Redirects for Discussion

FYI Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 June 11#Single-player czar 16:07, 11 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Microsoft to release the Xbox One "Scorpio" in late 2016

It says so on Polygon, The Verge, Kotaku, and many others, so I am currently working on a draft called "Draft:Xbox One "Scorpio"", and I am currently awaiting further news to be released. Currently, it would be inappropriate to review the draft and then declare it as "accepted", so we can only wait for more information (likely at E3) to be announced. This is just a notice. Gamingforfun365 (talk) 21:34, 11 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This isn't a new console, per se; we don't have special articles on the Xbox 360 slim, or the PS3 slim. Making a new article doesn't make sense here. --MASEM (t) 21:39, 11 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
This sounds as though I were writing about the Xbox One Slim (which I am not), and I thought for sure that, based upon the data, it would be the new Xbox, but I guess that I will just wait and see what happens. Gamingforfun365 (talk) 21:45, 11 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I guess that we both have different views. Gamingforfun365 (talk) 21:47, 11 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

If Masem should be right and Gamingforfun365 should be wrong, could the entire "History" section be merged into the Xbox One article? Gamingforfun365 (talk) 22:05, 11 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

WP:CRYSTAL: "Wikipedia is not a collection of product announcements and rumors". At the moment Scorpio is all speculation and rumours. --The1337gamer (talk) 22:09, 11 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Later then if it should become notable and/or confirmed. (EDIT: Akin to the Apple electric car project, which is notable.) Gamingforfun365 (talk) 22:11, 11 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
And, yes, I have known the guideline. Gamingforfun365 (talk) 22:12, 11 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
In the meantime, I will continue editing Doom and likely wait for more news concerning Scorpio. Gamingforfun365 (talk) 22:35, 11 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Last thing: is the consensus that Scorpio is fairly notable, but just not notable enough to be included in the Xbox One article yet, given that the information is relatively new? Gamingforfun365 (talk) 23:06, 11 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It shouldn't be added until officially confirmed by Microsoft. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 00:55, 12 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Back to my point: the issue is that all rumors point to a reversion of the Xbox One hardware that will still be marketed as the Xbox One and play all Xbox One games, just with more powerful components. In the past, we have not had separate articles on hardware revisions within the same platform - the updated tech specs are included in the console article (once properly announced). --MASEM (t) 01:10, 12 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Well, then, I do not know what to say other than that I have wasted a huge amount of time. Anyway, if the rumor were to be added to the Xbox One article, am I right that it would have to be notable (like the notable Apple electric car project) or confirmed? Gamingforfun365 (talk) 02:58, 12 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I guess that that is all which I needed to know. Gamingforfun365 (talk) 04:55, 12 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Question about the draft. Why "reportedly" being developed by Microsoft? And why is it listed as "ninth generation" if it's just an upgrade? JAGUAR  11:20, 12 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I believe it's still not officially confirmed my MS, so that's why it's "reportedly". But 9th generation is definitely wrong for a hardware revision, in the same way that New 3DS isn't 9th gen, PSP Go isn't 8th gen, etc etc. Sergecross73 msg me 13:56, 12 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia REALLY needs to stop being in the business of "calling" a new generation of consoles. Seriously. Axem Titanium (talk) 15:46, 13 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately, based on research I've done, I think we sorta created it. Nearly all sources that discuss the console generations lead back to WP, to the point that it's all now circular references. That said, going forward we'll have the press to help determine when the 9th generation starts; that said, for all the rumors about the new Xbox console revision, I've seen no one suggest its a 9th gen (heck, with the Nintendo NX, I see that still considered just nintendo catching up to 8th gen). --MASEM (t) 15:54, 13 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
We tried, but after extensive arguments around the start of the 8th generation, there was no consensus to make any changes to it. I've given up on changing it - there's just too many differing thoughts on it to come to an agreement - and instead focused on doing the best on managing what we've got...because that's kinda what we're bound to for the time being. Sergecross73 msg me 16:01, 13 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Naming the generations on Wikipedia was pretty much inevitable, since as far as I've seen no one in the gaming press was bothering to name them. They just said "the last generation", "this generation", or "the next generation", and while it's perfectly clear what they're referring to from the time the article was published, you can't name a Wikipedia article "The generation of video game consoles referred to by the gaming press as 'this generation' from 1989-1995".--Martin IIIa (talk) 23:02, 13 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Post-announcement

Coming back to this, there were two announcements: Xbox One Slim and the 2017 reversion codenamed Scorpio. The former should definitely stay in the current Xbox One article, but as for Scorpio, there's no many extra details now that I can see a brand new article at this time - perhaps in time it might make sense but I think everything we know can fit in the current Xbox One article. --MASEM (t) 18:10, 13 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. And with Scorpio too soon to split it out to an article now, especially since it looks like its going to be released "late 2017", not 2016. Sergecross73 msg me 18:17, 13 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
That said, knowing that Scorpio is targeting VR support, I would not be surprised if we see a new VR gear from MS soon to go along with that, which would make the reasoning to have Scorpio as a separate article make sense. Not now, obviously. --MASEM (t) 16:12, 14 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Genre by year categories

Do we sub-categorize/diffuse game gernes by year and use that as the main category in articles? I'm looking at this user's contributions and it appears they are replacing all instances of Category:Role-playing video games with one of the Category:Role-playing video games by year ones, such as [1], without edit summary. Since their edits trail back over a month without reverts, I'm unsure if I'm missing some new policy/guideline/discussion here or elsewhere? —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 09:17, 12 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

E3 2016 - EA Presser

Good afternoon everyone. I am here to note take anything that might be interesting or relavant to the project from this event. Let's have a good show. Zero Serenity (talk - contributions) 20:01, 12 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • The event is running late. Please standby.
  • EA claims some 2.6 billion game players. Thought that was interesting.
  • Titanfall 2 is up first. Grappling hooks for pilots, new pilot abilities like a hologram, a slide dash, six new titans, multiplayer technical test, titanfall.com has the info. Offline playable campaign is what is single player. October 28th 216.
  • New Madden game. Nothing paticularly interesting there.
  • New eSports sort of league, including some player hosted events, some sponsored events and EA sponsored ones. I think that covers it. Next tournament will hold a $1,000,000 prize pool over four events.
  • Mass Effect: Andromeda is next. Leaving the Milky Way to Andromeda. Entirely new cast it seems...but an Asari shows up. The Mako returns. And a Krogan. How new is this going to be?
  • EA Access is free this week.
  • A chairty event. If you perform special challenges...actually they aren't related. $1,000,000 to chairty will actually happen regardless of challenges done.
  • FIFA 17 is a thing. This trailer feels really dramatic, like you're following a real person. I think this leads up to some sort of story mode called "The Journey". Has premiere league managers.
  • EA Originals program. I think this is an indie publishing arm. Lots of fluffy language.
  • Fe, a new game. The first Originals title. Musical motife. I'm finding it hard to describe. For some reason I'm reminded of Journey, but that's probably not accurate.
  • Star Wars is up. New Star Wars Battlefront in 2017. Viseral is going to make an action-adventure title in 2018. Respawn is making a game as a 3rd person AA title (but we already knew that).
  • Oh hell. It looks like we're getting a VR enabled title. I saw head motions related to flying an X-Wing.
  • Time for Battlefield 1 to conclude this presentation. Included are enviroment destruction, weather effects with gameplay changes and large vehicles. Open beta later this summer.

And we're done here. Have at it folks. Zero Serenity (talk - contributions) 21:05, 12 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I've seeded EA Originals and Fe (video game) to EA's article. --MASEM (t) 21:29, 12 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
This was useful, thank you! --PresN 00:15, 13 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

E3 2016 - Bethesda Softworks Presser

Ugh. Totally missed this conference. Anyway, here's some of what I picked up:

  • Fallout Shelter is getting an update with quests and is coming to PC next month.
  • Fallout 4 is getting three new DLC kits, one of which is to make your own vault. Also HTC Vive support.
  • Prey 2 will still be a thing, renamed "Prey" (so should we call it Prey 2016 or Upcomming like Unreal Tournament)?
  • Skyrim's getting an eighth gen remaster.
  • ESO had...something. (Don't ask, I don't play it)
  • Wolfenstein's new game has been given a title (I think) called The New Colossus. It's a blink and you'll miss it moment, but please salt the article.
  • Dishonored 2 is still a thing.
  • New Quake on the way (Quake Champions, salt this too)

That's all I see from my news hunting. Zero Serenity (talk - contributions) 04:17, 13 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, Prey will be out in 2017. The original Prey has been moved to (2006 video game), and the new Prey (2017 video game) redirected to Arkane Studios, for the moment. --MASEM (t) 04:20, 13 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The ESO thing was the Dark Brotherhood expansion - it had already been announced though. --SubSeven (talk) 04:36, 13 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
ESO also is getting an update called One Tamriel, which allows players to explore the entire world as soon as they've completed the tutorial by removing alliance/quest/level restrictions and introducing worldwide level-scaling. It's also getting a Japanese release within weeks. http://venturebeat.com/2016/06/12/the-elder-scrolls-online-has-7-million-players-and-is-removing-level-restrictions ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 04:49, 13 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Time to phase in the new Pokémon list style?

Long time no speak everyone! Dropping in once again about the Pokémon lists. As we now have more information regarding Sun and Moon, the sandbox I've set up for Generation VII (located here: User:Cyclonebiskit/Gen7) appears to be long enough to support being published. This is the first of the seven lists I've been slowly working that is mainspace ready and wanted to get feedback on whether or not we should gradually phase in this format (i.e. start with Gen VII and publish the rest as they're ready). The next-closest list is Generation VI (located here User:Cyclonebiskit/Kalos), but several Pokémon are missing basic summaries and I've yet to search for any critical reception for many of them (there's a lot of freaking information floating around on this franchise, who would've thunk it? ). Anyways, thanks in advance for your thoughts/comments! ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 14:37, 13 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

These look good! I think both of them are mainspace-ready, as they are vastly better than our current system. Honestly, it may be in our best interest to move them to the mainspace all-at-once, to keep the style consistent. Any improvements can always be made on the lists afterwards. ~Mable (chat) 15:10, 13 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

E3 2016 - Microsoft Xbox Presser

Good morning everyone, time for the next presser. Unfortunately I will be missing the PC and Ubisoft shows today so if somebody else wants a crack, be my guest. I'll be back with Sony this evening. Some expectations, rumors and leaks include the new Slim Xbox One, a more powerful Xbox One and PC Compatibility for Xbox 360 Games. We'll see how those rumors pan out soon enough. Zero Serenity (talk - contributions) 16:11, 13 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Opens up with Phil Spencer giving condolences to Orlando and he's wearing a Rainbow pin...so seems to be everyone. Nice gesture.
  • The Xbox One S. Comes in white, Smaller, internal PSU and IR blaster (eliminates Kinect for use there). New controller with better range and Bluetooth capability. Native 4k support. $299, releases in August.
  • Xbox Play Anywhere, buy a digital copy and you can play it on Xbox One and Windows 10. First game is Gears 4, comes with Cross Play as well. October 11th. Comes with Marcus Phenix and a custom elite controller.
  • Killer Instinct next. 7 Million Players. General RAAM from Gears has been announced as guest number 3. Seems to have super armor. Play it for free this week.
  • Next is Forza Horizon 3. Takes place in Australia. I also think this will be cross play everything and it is a Play Anywhere game. 4 player campaign co-op.
  • Recore gets another trailer. Its stylish but I can't tell you if anything is different about it. September 13th.
  • SquareEnix? This is a surprise. A demo of XV is shown, E3 exclusive mission apparently. Has quicktime events. September 30th, 2016.
  • Ubisoft gives a trailer for the next Division expansion. June 28th, Xbox first.
  • DICE gives some goodies on Battlefield 1. October 21st release, EA Access gets it October 13th.
  • Live Engineering is getting a slot. Interesting. Background music is finally coming. Language region independence. Cortana. This fall comes: Clubs on Xbox Live for communities. Next is looking for group, a sort of want ad for whatever you want. Arena on Xbox Live will be a tournament application.
  • Minecraft is up again. Cross Play update called The Friendly Update. Also dedicated servers to set up called Realms. Texture packs for Mobile and Windows 10. Add-ons are coming in the fall, they're mods basically. Minecon in September.
  • Custom colors for Xbox One controllers. I think you can mix and match everything, includes naming and stuff. Xbox Design Lab its called.
  • Trailer for something from Playdead Studios called Inside. Nothing else interesting. Speaking of Playdead, Limbo is available for free right now.
  • ID@Xbox Showcase. No way I can keep up with these titles going by. Though a few of these are labeled as Play Anywhere, so that's cool. ARK is going to get Play Anywhere attached to it.
  • We Happy Few gets a demo and is coming to preview. Console timed to Xbox.
  • CD Projekt Red is bringing the Gwent Card game to Xbox One. "Gwent: The Witcher Card Game" comes with cross play and a single player campaign. Exclusive beta soon, coming in September.
  • Tekken X Street Fighter is still going to be a thing apparently. Actually, totally wrong. Tekken 7 will just include Akuma from Street Fighter. Available early 2017. Free copy of Tekken Tag Tournament 2 for all Xbox Live Gold owners this week.
  • WHY IS IT SNOWING?! Oh my. Dead Rising 4 in development. I think it will be a timed title. Christmas themed, had some sort of Power Armor. Holiday 2016.
  • Scalebound gets a demo featuring Hideki Kamiya. Xbox One and Windows 10 Exclusive, will be a Play Anywhere title, cooperative gameplay. DMC with Dragons anyone?
  • Sea of Thieves. Rare title. Play anywhere. Clips from the game featuring players not taught how to play.
  • State of Decay 2. Xbox One and Windows 10 Exclusive. Feels like a generic Zombie Apocalypse game.
  • This presser feels way over time by the way.
  • Trailer for Halo Wars 2. All cinematic, nothing new. Oh. They're working with The Creative Assembly and is a Play Anywhere title. Weeklong Beta starts Today.
  • Phil's back. Got something new? NEW XBOX. Codenamed Scorpio. Holiday 2017 arrival. 6 TFLOPs. All kits (accessories, controllers, games, soforth) will be compatible with each other, so no loss.

And I think we're finally done. The Xbox 360 on PC leak from before turned out to be nothing it seems. Maybe we'll get more info on that with somebody's presentation? Kinda doubt it. Sofar there's plenty of "yikes" I'm having. Zero Serenity (talk - contributions) 18:01, 13 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Larry likes to do my job. Zero Serenity (talk - contributions) 19:52, 13 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Personally I watch ProJared's recaps ;) ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 23:04, 13 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Revisiting recognition of Windows 10 as a distinct platform from "Microsoft Windows"

Those who watched Microsoft's E3 conference just now noticed that they were really pushing digital cross-buys between Xbox One and Windows 10 ("Xbox Play Anywhere" games). However, these cross-buys explicitly require Windows 10. Additionally, Windows 10 UWP games are structurally different than non-UWP PC games, meaning that this is a specific ecosystem from other PC games, which do not necessarily have such an extensive level of dependency on the underlying OS. Thus, it is very misleading to state that these games will generally run on "Microsoft Windows", because this is an entire family of multi-platform operating systems, and not just a specific version. This also contradicts Wikipedia policy on verfiability, as it cannot be verified that affected games can run on any version of Windows, it is only verfiable that they run on Windows 10.

Thus, I think that any article referring to games exclusive to Windows 10 must outright state this in infoboxes. i.e. Quantum Break and such. ViperSnake151  Talk  18:52, 13 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree, as in essence, this is similar to games that only can be run via Steam, which as noted we don't consider a separate platform. And I'm sure there's also games that work fine on Win7 and up but can't be run at all on Win95, for example, but of course we don't say that. --MASEM (t) 19:01, 13 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
We already discussed this, and majority said that we shouldn't do this. Like Masem said, games that work and were intended for older versions of Windows are broken or don't work at all on newer ones, despite them still being officially a Windows game. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 23:41, 13 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Steam is a distribution platform. Not an OS (Steam OS is not an OS, but a distribution of GNU/Linux). A game may be distributed through Steam, but that doesn't influence the OS it is compatible with. If a Steam game only supports DirectX 12, it will surely only run on Windows 10, UWP or not. These games must be obtained through Windows Store, and are only supported on Windows 10. It is entrenched even moreso than Steam games. This is a distinct situation. Thus "Microsoft Windows" is not specific enough. Do we say Xbox One games are for "Xbox"? Do we say PlayStation 4 games are for "PlayStation"? With no disambiguation in either case?
These games run in a specific operating system environment with certain APIs and mandatory sandboxing; past Windows games were merely Win32 software that can theoretically run on any version of Windows that supports its relevant APIs. Universal Windows Platform is a specific environment that is explicitly exclusive to Windows 10. "Microsoft Windows" can be used in general for games that are not packaged in this manner. But these games are not Win32 software, they are Universal Windows Apps.ViperSnake151  Talk  03:05, 14 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
This goes back to understanding why we removed system requirements for games. For the general, non-game player reader, they will have no idea of the difference between a game running on Windows not-10 and Windows 10, so it's not really useful information. Also, I would fear that some less experienced editors would start treating games that run on Windows 10 without any special Windows 10 features (eg your average Steam game) will start making these as being available for "Microsoft Windows" and "Microsoft Windows 10" because we'd treat the latter as a separate platform. --MASEM (t) 03:42, 14 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Meanwhile, over at WWDC...

Apple has rebranded "OS X" as "macOS". That is, a version going out today will be compatible with OS X, but now Apple can move onto larger changes with updated version numbers like macOS 11 when that comes. So macOS is not a new OS but a rebranding. This might affect more than just us, but right now I'm thinking that where we have used OS X to keep it that way (basically for any game already released on that platform) but any upcoming game can switch over to macOS as the term. Note that here OS X is still there, but leads off with "macOS". --MASEM (t) 19:35, 13 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

As it's just a rebranding, won't the two terms become interchangeable? Although, I agree that it should be left as-is and games released for Sierra onwards should be classed as released for "macOS" instead of "OS X". Anarchyte (work | talk) 04:24, 14 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

E3 2016 - Sony Interactive Entertainment Presser

And I'm back. From what I'm being told the PC and Ubisoft pressers were pretty lackluster anyway. Looks like I didn't miss much. On to Sony! Zero Serenity (talk - contributions) 00:59, 14 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Sony's even has a live orchestra, complete with some vocals. Is this a press event or a concert? And I thought the Ubisoft cold open was pretty weird. I recognize none of the music being played.
  • First up is a cinematic trailer/gameplay demo for...another God of War? (Didn't he destroy the world/plunge it into utter chaos at the end of GoWIII?) And I just noticed the orchestra is playing over all this. This all tells me the gameplay section is pre-recorded. Titled God of War, this feels like a reboot. *Takes a second from this overly long demo to check* Norse Themed. Okay. I don't know my mythology here.
  • Another Orlando tribute.
  • He curiously left out any mention of the Vita. Maybe Sony's decided to leave it alone.
  • Cinematic trailer for a post apocalyptic game called Days Gone. Stars a biker turned mercenary after the apocalypse.
  • More theatrics and another cinematic trailer, The Last Guardian is the game. The graphics look like they got some changes to be a bit less realistic. October 25th, 2016.
  • Horizon Zero Dawn returns in another trailer, which for some reason has no voiceover but all subtitles. We turn to a gameplay segment that shows some features like scanning, hunting and hacking (to get a mount). No release date.
  • Detroit: Become Human gets a trailer. Apparently will explore what it means to be human from an android's perspective as you play a detective/negotiator.
  • Next is a VR title. Horror game, I'm guessing. And the music gives a huge mood whiplash. Holy Cow that was Resident Evil 7. 1/24/2017 folks.
  • Ayup. We're pushing VR here. 40 Million PS4s sold according to his figures. And PlayStation VR is launching on 10/13/2016 for $399 a head. 50 Games at Launch until the end of 2016.
  • This next game reminds me of Mass Effect. But its called Farpoint. I can't really discern much from that.
  • And that X-Wing VR thing I mentioned from the EA presser makes a return. And this is Star Wars Battlefront, an X-Wing VR mission (not a game).
  • I hear what sounds like Mark Hamill's Joker. Batman Arkham VR is announced, October 2016 and exclusive to PlayStation VR.
  • Square Enix is back with a trailer that has you shooting in first person. 9/30/2016, but we already knew all this.
  • Demo for Infinite Warfare, I can see why people feel its Haloish. 11/4/2016, I think this will come with VR capability based on the previous.
  • CoD4 Remastered gets a trailer. Seems darker. Campaign comes 30 days early to PS4. Ouch that sounds like a bad idea.
  • Crash 1-3 Remastered for PS4. And I was getting excited for a second there! Crash is coming to Skylanders.
  • Lego Star Wars: Episode VII. Will feature voice acting it seems. The comedy is there with a dash of funnies from Indiana Jones. Demo available for PS4 right now, launch in two weeks.
  • Kojima takes the stage. I guess he's announcing his next title. Death Stranding. I...uh...its very Kojima.
  • New Spider-Man game for the PS4. I think it might be exclusive.
  • Days Gone is getting a live gameplay demo now. Oil filter as a suppressor. I'll buy that. Aliens? Zombies? Dunno what the enemies are here.
  • We finish with a montage of releases.

And with the crowd shouting Kojima, we're done. A few things to seed, I'm not sure what else to say here. In my personal opinion, I'm underwhelmed. Zero Serenity (talk - contributions) 02:18, 14 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Speaking of Crash though, all that was announced was 1-3 were to be remastered for PS4, so until we know more we should assume it's going to be like how Sony handled the recent Dark Cloud 1 and 2 PS4 ports, which were still emulated, despite some new additions. This matters because we don't list emulated ports in the infobox. It's probably gonna be constantly re-added, so it may need page protection. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 06:21, 14 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
That's an odd one at the moment, since we really don't have enough information; "remastered from the ground up" makes it seem like it's going to get the Ratchet & Clank treatment, but it's hard to say for now. We don't even know who's developing/porting it yet. – Rhain ☔ 06:55, 14 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It does, however literally nothing else was announced about the game besides that, so we can't just assume it's going to be a fully re-created game. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 09:56, 14 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
So it looks like we do technically have the developer: Vicarious Visions, as stated here. The words being used—"fully remastered", "from the ground up"—are definitely pointing towards a full re-creation, although it could be getting the Jak and Daxter treatment instead; of course, we can't confidently say anything just yet. Regardless, I'll be keeping an eye on the relevant articles for the time being. – Rhain ☔ 12:05, 14 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Interesting. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 12:17, 14 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I had interpreted it to be like the Final Fantasy X/X-2 HD Remaster - they too said something to the capacity of rebuilding the game (that's why it took like 3 years to do). That would put it somewhere more advanced that most of the typical ones, like Jak and Sly, but less than Ratchet and Clank 2016. I guess we'll see though. Does it have a name yet though? Some seemed to have reported it as Crash Bandicoot Remastered, while others seem to refer to it as a description without a name (like "the trilogy of Crash games.) Its the same naming issue we were initially having with Final Fantasy 7 Remake at E3 last year... Sergecross73 msg me 12:26, 14 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
That seems like a fair interpretation, and probably the most accurate. Doesn't look like we have anything close to an official name though. At least with FF7 Remake, we had the logo, so there was some basis for an argument there; with this, the only logo that's been used is "Crash Bandicoot". I guess we'll just have to wait for further announcements, which I'm hoping is soon. Perhaps on the 20th anniversary of the first game in September? I'm not getting my hopes up. – Rhain ☔ 12:34, 14 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Question about WP:JOBTITLES

Hi everyone,

Per WP:MOSCAPS, we try to avoid the use of unnecessary capital letters (like first-person shooter, not First-Person Shooter). Is there a reason why there's an exception for an executive producer? @Gamingforfun365: linked to WP:JOBTITLES, which in fact does say:

"Offices, titles, and positions such as president, king, emperor, pope, bishop, abbot, and executive director are common nouns and therefore should be in lower case when used generically (...) They are capitalized only in the following cases:
  • When followed by a person's name to form a title, i.e., when they can be considered to have become part of the name: President Nixon, not president Nixon".

Except for "executive director" these are all (elected) public offices; Queen Elizabeth II makes sense to me, Video Game Developer Shigeru Miyamoto or does not. The all-caps acronym CEO redirects to chief executive officer which also isn't written with capital letters. Isn't it odd that we maken an exception for directors/producers? Thoughts? soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 13:51, 14 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I'm aware, we don't make an exception for "executive" producer/director - I've never actually seen that capitalized like that in an article. I think there's a much simpler explanation here- Gamingforfun365 is wrong in their interpretation of JOBTITLES here. It's not "(id Software) (Executive Producer Marty Stratton)", it's "(id Software executive producer) (Marty Stratton)". Executive Producer, unlike the White House Chief of Staff example in JOBTITLES, is not a named, singular position. --PresN 14:10, 14 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I did read a GameSpot article written by a staff member, and it was capitalized. Gamingforfun365 (talk) 19:22, 14 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
So, maybe, I am right after all. Also, I would rather not be called "wrong", but rather "mistaken". Gamingforfun365 (talk) 19:29, 14 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
However, I would not capitalize words which would make reading look weird. Gamingforfun365 (talk) 19:36, 14 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
And I would also not capitalize those in front of possessive nouns. Gamingforfun365 (talk) 19:39, 14 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Lastly, MOS:JOBTITLES really needs to make interpretation clearer. Gamingforfun365 (talk) 19:42, 14 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The capitalisation on a GameSpot article should have no effect on our guidelines. – Rhain ☔ 21:01, 14 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Also, if this type of capitalization was common practice we should easily be able to find more than a single GameSport article that employes it.--67.68.29.34 (talk) 21:09, 14 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

E3 2016 - Nintendo Presser

Probably short, but whatever.

  • No female Link confirmed. (Worth noting - people have some strong feelings about this.)
  • RPG like elements added - number values for equipment, weapons
  • Has a fully 3D world map for first time in series.
  • Mario Party: Star Rush was announced.
  • Out November 4, 2016.
  • Paper Mario: Color Splash shown.
  • Out October 7, 2016.

Looks like that's it... Sergecross73 msg me 16:27, 14 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Or why I didn't bother basically. I knew it was going to be too insubstantial to note. Zero Serenity (talk - contributions) 16:57, 14 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I wasn't expecting anything either, I just thought I'd do it for completeness sake. In case someone's ever rummaging through the archives some day and wondering why there wasn't a Nintendo section. Also, thought there was a fraction of a chance for a surprise announcement. (EDIT: There was - the Mario Party: Star Rush reveal.) Sergecross73 msg me 17:11, 14 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Finally, the article I made five years ago has a name ;-D JAGUAR  18:53, 14 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I was excited for that too. No more arguments on how to disambiguate it's prior, overly generic name. Sergecross73 msg me 19:04, 14 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
To be precise, there is no confirmation either way about a female Link. They did not confirm that there does not exist an option for a female Link. Axem Titanium (talk) 20:31, 14 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I feel like they've been pretty clear on it... Sergecross73 msg me 20:34, 14 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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