User talk:El C

If you have the capacity to tremble with indignation every time that an injustice is committed in the world, then we are comrades. – Che.

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For you

El C, contrary to your edit summary- I noticed you were gone, and missed seeing you on recent changes. You are one of my favourite editors. This is for you. Regards, dvdrw 04:34, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Yay! Many chipthanks for the kind words. Greatly appreciated. Best, El_C 06:49, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Well I noticed and missed you! (Official circular here). Novickas (talk) 12:40, 30 September 2008 (UTC) Thought of you while uploading this picture [1]... for all of your work. Novickas (talk) 17:35, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Many thanks! El_C 11:27, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm sort of in a hole and am having difficulties submerging. Speaking of holes/that chippie, I got to do some visiting in its burro recently...

Later, adding even more festive decorations, and inspected the whiskers:

And some drinky-drinky as well as rubbing under chin:

Also, two days ago I got to rub a cheekadee's tummy(!); for a handsome reward, of course:

Love, El_C 11:27, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

You look really good in your purple hat! Bishonen | talk 00:19, 4 November 2008 (UTC).

Free hat! Today, while cheekadeepetting, this lady who saw us from a far, came over and said: "Can I tell you something...? You're an angel of God."(!) To which I of course replied: "All hail Atheismo!" [nah, I said: "thank you, maddam, that's very kind of you" — what else could I say?] I took an especially neat cheekadeepetting photograph today: it remained visible between my thumb and index as it flew away, giving the illusion it was bee-sized! What an unexpected, and sweet, effect! El_C 02:48, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Wow, Capitano, where do you get a large enough sweater for a person with that hand? Bishonen | talk 20:18, 5 November 2008 (UTC).

And then there's Skunky! El_C 14:00, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Oooo. Purdy!

Combine obvious love of animals with photography results in photographic win! — Coren ^(talk) 15:09, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! Great to learn that peoples (plural!) like! Chickadee says hi! El_C 14:00, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Seasons Greetings

Here's some peanuts for Hidey. He hasn't got any!

Hello. Thanks, SqueakBox 23:14, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Wishing you the very best for the season. Guettarda (talk) 00:26, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Thx, everyone! Happy 2009! El_C 12:55, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Happy Groundhog Day

Happy day! Jehochman ^Talk 19:52, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Chippies

El C, I've been meaning to ask for ages. What is the link between revolutionary socialism and chimpunks? Did I miss that bit in Animal Farm? Is it something to do with resting the means of damn making from beavers? --Joopercoopers (talk) 11:39, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

No link; but are you referring to Groundhog? (see left) There is a Groundhog-Chippie connection, which I was trying to further cultivate (see right). El_C 11:48, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

"Love is in the air ....dooooo .....dooo.dooo ......doooo ......dooo.doooo ." --Joopercoopers (talk) 11:55, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, I'm envious. You get to pet ALL the fuzzeh creatures!  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  01:40, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

Book?

Let me know when it is out, and you will up your sales by one. :-) KillerChihuahua^?!? 09:22, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

4Tality Fractal

1. Four Facets of existence: 1. Matter 2. Energy 3. Space 4. Time

2. Four Dimensions: 1. 1D 2. 2D 3. 3D 4. 4D (temporal)

3. Four Fundamental interactions: 1. Strong 2. EM 3. Weak 4. Gravity

4. Four States of matter: 1. Solid 2. Liquid 3. Gas 4. Plasma

El_C 07:19, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

Rev-dels

Just for information at the moment: are you able to do revision deletions? Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 19:47, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Affirmative. El_C 20:46, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

OK, thanks. There are a couple of admins I usually contact when I see something that needs to deleted, but unfortunately they let real life interfere with their admin duties. You are online a lot at the same times I am, so it's good to have another person to contact if needed. I generally only ask personally if it's both serious and urgent. - BilCat (talk) 02:29, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Yes, by all means. If I'm around, please don't hesitate. El_C 02:30, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Thanks very much. I realize.my wording above presumes you'd be willing, and that I didn't actually ask, so thanks. :) - BilCat (talk) 04:01, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Romania

And all I got was this... Whoa!

I can live with your highly arbitrary closing summary of the RfC on the Talk page, so I do not want to persuade you to change it. However, you closed other on-going debates as well. Could you open the other debates? Thank you. Borsoka (talk) 05:57, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Ah, the thanks I get! El_C 05:58, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

And all I got was a ^^^

• Talk:And Then There Were None#RfC: And Then There Were None and racial language
• Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Politics#Request for comments on the 'political position' parameter of the political party infobox
• Talk:Romania#RfC
• Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#RfC: HispanTV
• Wikipedia talk:Requests for adminship#Is RfX a vote, or a consensus discussion? (RfC)
• Talk:Civil Rights Act of 1968#Merger of Fair Housing Act and Indian Civil Rights Act of 1968 into this article
• Talk:WikiLeaks#RFC: Murder Of Seth Rich content dispute
• Talk:Athens News#Request for comment
• Talk:SNC-Lavalin affair#RfC: LavScam
• Talk:Christchurch mosque shootings#RfC: Change "white supremacist" to "white nationalist"

El_C 06:06, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious

Three years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:11, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Nice. Thanks, Gerda! El_C 08:24, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. Good day, see? Take music and flowers to your liking ;) - It's great to see your name so often on my watchlist. One area where I often wait for admin action - not now - is WP:ITNN, where we nominate for recent deaths to be shown on th Main page, and often the time between an article found [Ready] and then is [Posted] seems [too] long to still call it recent. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:32, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Ah, good ol' ITNC —where I got no credit for being the first to have  Posted the Corona virus outbreak, but upon (admittedly, perhaps somewhat prematurely) doing the same for the Kirk Douglas RD got a what-the-fuck-barbeque— it's a magical place! El_C 11:28, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

I see, sorry for touching some wound ;) - Same for me: last year, I nominated a great pianist for RD, after I first had create an article which took time, and then carried away to also make it decent, - and by then her death was so long ago that she wasn't mentioned at all. The more woman, and the more foreign, that danger seems imminent, and if I may bother you in case I seee it coming again, that would be great. At present, it's a man, listed 20 Feb (although who knows if that was the day?), and nobody even commented yet, so nothing to be concerned about right now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:27, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Hey, by all means, if you feel Peter Dreher is [Ready], let me know so I could do the honours. El_C 12:53, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

I nominated him, so am not the most independent to judge ;) - and I'm already busy with the next, a woman, but mostly not foreign. - I really think we have some unintended bias there: the most prominent figures (white U.S. males) get speedy attention, and appear soon at the top position, while the female foreigners - often reported late to start with - take so long to even be noticed that they get only a place towards the end, finally, - as long as we go by date of death and not "in at the top". Result: those who are promminent already get preferred showing, more in front, and longer. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:04, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Indeed, countering systemic bias is a treacherous mistress — though in the case of Kirk Douglas, I have to admit my own affinity for his admirable work countering the Hollywood blacklist... Anyway, +Peter Dreher to RD. El_C 13:16, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

February flowers

Alte Liebe

Thank you, love-ly! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:42, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

I nominated the poet for ITNN. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:36, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

At the [Ready]! El_C 14:48, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

and posted ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:28, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

That was quick! I helped? El_C 17:33, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

think so ;) - today's Alte Liebe became especially meaningful after yesterday's funeral. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:21, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Next foreign women RD: Odile Pierre. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:12, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: sorry for the belated response — I overlooked your last message. Apologies for not being able to assist with that one. Please don't hesitate to list more. I'll try to be more cognizant of this thread next time, I promise. El_C 03:28, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Gerda's corner

Add some colour to the corner! El_C 08:46, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

To help me better remember! El_C 05:10, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Gerda’s corner is lovely. When I have more time in my life and can do things beyond blocking socks, I plan to spend time there getting some of the Holy Thursday hymns on the main page. Gerda, if it’s not too late to find one, let me know. The Pange Lingua is always a first choice, but if there are any others you can think of, I’m open. TonyBallioni (talk) 05:26, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Also, El C’s talk page is lovely, especially for his hosting my musing about music he likely doesn’t care about one iota! TonyBallioni (talk) 05:28, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Actually, I like all kinds of music, including of the eclectic and esoteric variaty — lately I've been Dimashing it up (special thanks goes to Jasmin Ariane!). El_C 05:32, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Lovely corner, thank you! Today is The day of music, two choirs singing. I'd like Beati improved - but it's in the evensong, perhaps I'll get to a few more lines. On IWD, I should also get Elinor Ross in better shape ... - but singing comes first. Listen to Beati by voces8, another article needing improvement. Singing comes first ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:41, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

On the ITNN page, 6 Mar, Carsten Bresch. We will possibly never know when he died, but should use 6 - when the world was informed - as the day by which we go. I may be alone with that view ;) - Lovely lively colours! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:24, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Expect the sky to fall at ITNC — posted with Mar 0? (!). El_C 13:34, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for posting, and I added "Posted", but don't want to pass credits. DYK you know that it is as easy as clicking on the words "credit" in the nom? Nice progress on the soprano, but out for singing (alto), second round. A good source for her death would be a nice addition, anyone. this is all Spanish to me, and the English one is a blog. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:04, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

nom done, and the credits were done by someone else - bedtime --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:19, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Sleep tight. El_C 23:27, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

done also, and she's there - today's topic seem to be errors (3) in the OTD section of the Main page. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:28, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

Amakuru took care of that! - What should I do about this decline? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:58, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

If you're confident it's good, I would move it to main namespace nonetheless. El_C 10:07, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

How about you? - I asked the decliner for reasoning, but got no answer. I think it might be better if it's not a personal thing between them and me, so an independent pair of eyes might help. - I don't go via AfC, nor does my friend LouisAlain, but last year many of his translations were sent to draft space, for lack of refs, just because de and fr have different ideas about referencing. I try to rescue, that's all. Then get a ridiculous template on my talk recommending the Teahouse, and still see the ridiculous decline template recommending to seek help from an experienced editor, - the things we do to voluntary contributors ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:31, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

 Done. Mainspacified. And I didn't even visit the Teahouse! El_C 13:37, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

pacified ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:26, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for tagging me, El_C! Concerning Dimash: Oh wow, I really didn't expect that! But I'm happy you enjoy it! It's funny, it's not even a genre I usually listen to. But the first time I heard him 2 years ago, I immediately loved his music. I love his voice, his emotional interpretation; and his vocal skill, range and versatility are just enormous. And he seems to be a very nice and humble guy, which makes it even easier to like him. PS: "eclectic and esoteric variety"? Wow, that sounds interesting. Jasmin Ariane (talk) 21:55, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

♫ Welcome to the corner, Jasmin! Yes, I love Dimash's Sinful Passion, New Wave, SOS d'un terrien en détresse, Ogni Pietra (Olimpico), Opera 2, and more. Indeed, music-wise, I'm all over the place. Yesterday, I was listening to the Mahavishnu Orchestra, I'm listening to Charlie Byrd right now (because I love bossa nova, above all else), and I'm listening to the China Philharmonic Orchestra in the car currently. So, yeah, all over the place. Welcome, again! ♫ El_C 16:47, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

Gerda's February corner

Hellebore

Want a drink in darkness? - Schloss Freudenberg --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:38, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Somehow, I don't really see that concept spreading to other bars... Back to out previous conversation, somewhat, a different kind of Green: "MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE - A Randy Rainbow Song Parody" (just released). El_C 14:51, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

I missed Mathsci for two years. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:14, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Criss-crossing paths... El_C 15:16, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

BWV 1, concertante violin 1 --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:19, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

That's right, I remember seeing that. El_C 15:24, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Did you ever click on Reformation on my user page, first occurence? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:02, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Yes, I have clicked on all of the (longstanding) links on your userpage. El_C 16:08, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

I am impressed. ... and follow to what the first 2 had discussed, and used, and then one of them needed it, and probably had known that all the time? ... which was my user page lead until 2021 when I decided people hovering over my name should see a pic I took. The last time I used it was for Cassianto, 24 May 2020. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:51, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Sure, but otherwise, your userpage isn't easy to parse, due to the fact that you actually use it. I edit mine like once a decade. El_C 18:00, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

I copied that from BarkingMoon including the top icon - a bird on the Main page today --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:07, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Love it when the Main page gets that much colour. I noticed that article yesterday and thought: wow, those birds are almost as iridescent as Hummingbirds , which are... well, kinda the best! El_C 18:18, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

yes --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:25, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Opa is now on the Main page, Wilhelm Knabe, who stood up for future with the striking school children when he was in his 90s, - a model, - see here. - Further down on the page, there are conversations about the current arb case request - I feel I have to stay away - in a nutshell: "... will not improve kindness, nor any article". - Yesterday, I made sure on a hike that the flowers are actually blooming ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:13, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Yay for Green Opa! This made my day! El_C 16:24, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Today, we have Doris Stockhausen on her 97th birthday ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:34, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Till 120! El_C 15:39, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Birds of a feather

External videos
Bitter-sweet groove (translation unavailable on request!)

Spiel nicht mit den Schmuddelkindern ... anticipated protest --- and listen, not to me, but the music (in the article) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:49, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

... and after the music, please listen to User talk:Nikkimaria --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:39, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

I don't understand. There's a YouTube video at the bottom of the page, but it's just some people talking in German (which I don't-Opa-understand) alongside some German folk music (not my cup of tea). Then, you link to Nikkimaria's talk page as an ill with numbers and stuff, but it still only links to their main user talk page. Quite confusing. El_C 13:48, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

entirely my fault, I thought I had the video in the article, but no, only on the talk of Martinevans123, and when I'm absent-minded, I confuse ill and diff, Nikkimaria. But hurray, I just expanded the soprano, sufficiently I hope. Need fresh air now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:49, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't really like that song. Didn't dislike it either. Was just kinda meh. Personally, I prefer the Israeli children songs I grew up on, like הילדה הכי יפה בגן, for example. El_C 16:08, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Mr. Degenhardt would have been delighted! Not a song to be liked, - did you read the quote which I translated (improving on Deeple) per the talk request. Song talk about unpleasant smells, ending with a crime and a corpse swimming ... while the surviving grubby children keep singing that you better don't play with them. - Thanks for yours. Did you read my advice for M? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:33, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

I did not. Quoted where? Also, after Opa, I'm afraid to ask, but what's a "Deeple"? Yes, I saw it. Sound advise, but I'm still concerned that further cognizance will nonetheless be needed in order to avoid utter disaster in the future. El_C 16:45, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

my next mistake, DeepL - as you know everything about me you'll know that I am an infobox warrior who had to be restricted by arbcom to prevent utter disaster in the future. For 2 years I was too proud to appeal. I should have known SBHB's advice in the case, but then we might not have gotten to Beethoven ;) - RfC for Ian Fleming, and I stay away, I stay away, I don't play that game any more - please, be never afraid to ask! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:03, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Matti Caspi laments about how many songs can even be created, but does so in a song he created (כמה שירים אפשר להמציא בכלל), so there you go. Take that, eternity! El_C 17:13, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Gerda doesn't lament but enjoys the support by Brian, continued when others called her guilty, - always trying to mediate. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:56, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Tis the season for bitter-sweet...? Also, trying something (top of section — EEng uncredited mention). El_C 18:45, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

look --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:34, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

did you? - interesting bitter-sweet today --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:35, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

I did in passing, but I just am not in the headspace for riddles today, I'm afraid. But I did like File:Idstein,_Unytsjerke._Oersjoch_ynterieur.jpg. Almost-but-not-quite grand; warm but-not-quite gaudy. Sorry, I haven't heard of that translator before. Did you know her, personally? El_C 23:01, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. The church pic - as you will have seen - is in my user infobox for 2021. I don't know the singer personally, but she sang for us several times, Bach's great works (all explained if you follow the link, also (below there) that some like to receive my thanks and appreciation), and she sang recently in cantata services that I pictured (her page). On all these pictures, she is too small for "about her", and my lead is smaller "about me", of course. - I knew nothing about the translator, but she was a red link on Deaths in 2021. The bitter-sweetness is between her and her ex-husband, a novelist with an article who wrote her obit. (They had four children when they were divorced, and now he has ten.) - The delegate called me to task for the Bach cantata, so I will have to not follow spontaneous impulses for a few days, - hope no one dies whose article has to be written. In the cantata, BWV 1, I have a problem. The article was all built on one source (and all other Bach cantatas at the time also, btw) which one user denies reliability. I wanted to keep it, supporting it for all facts - only recordings, anyway - by a second source, trying to be faithful to the article history and to retain what editors did before me. He removed it. Quite generally, I have a problem with expansions which ignore what former editors achieved, see BWV 53 and Ian Fleming for recently mentioned examples. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:42, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Ah, just read that at: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/feb/08/dr-vera-wulfing-leckie-obituary — I see what you mean. Right, I knew it (the church) looked familiar. Hope you're able to resolve your BWV 1 problem. I'd offer to help, but I'd probably just mess it up, anyway. El_C 16:55, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

You will not mess anything up if you look at the old ref and tell me if it looks despicable to you, just for curiosity. The article was like this when I began "taking over". - Did you see this trying to revert a takeover? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:36, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

It does not look "despicable" to me, but I am far from an authority. This is not an area with which I am familiar. El_C 18:08, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, helped. I just found this (having searched for Thomanerchor) and look what is bolded, and praised. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:08, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Helleborus orientalis

happy Valentine's! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:14, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, for you, too. Did an English translation of a song at User_talk:El_C#Us, btw, and am about to submit another ("US," itself), so check it out! El_C 16:23, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

adding today's featured picture of February 17 - a nice match to my wild one --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:23, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Lovely, lovely! El_C 23:24, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Request to put 2021 storming of the United States Capitol under WP:1RR

@El C: @Octoberwoodland: Continuing this discussion, I'd like to request that 2021 storming of the United States Capitol be put under WP:1RR (I guess that would be Template:American politics AE?). How do I make such a request? Post to WP:AN? Or can an admin (i.e. you :-)) do that without a formal request? — Chrisahn (talk) 23:59, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Chrisahn, right, you ask me, here, like so. But can you show that there is a lot of protracted edit warring going on? Because I'm wary of throttling a page that sees that much activity. Not sure why you pinged Octoberwoodland here. They are not an admin, so they do not have the authority to grant your request. El_C 00:09, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

No, there hasn't been much edit warring. Just like Octoberwoodland, I thought the page was already under 1RR, and I thought it would be useful. But if you'd rather not do it yet, that's fine with me as well. If problems do arise, I'll come back here. But I hope it won't be necessary. :-) (The ping was just because Octoberwoodland started the discussion at Alalch Emis's talk page and might want to chime in here.) — Chrisahn (talk) 00:21, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Just understood that moments ago (the ping). Anyway, in general, restrictions are added by need only. The general consensus among admins is to wait and see, and only if needed add 1RR. And if that isn't enough, only then move on to additional enhancements, like Consensus required (i.e. gradual escalation). Regards, El_C 00:28, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation! These processes are more fine-grained than I thought. Probably a good thing. Although I'm afraid I won't remember the difference between {{ds/editnotice}} and {{ds/talk notice}} a week from now. :-) — Chrisahn (talk) 00:54, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

I just type T:DSA (all listed at the bottom), otherwise, who can remember! El_C 00:56, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

It is time I knew more about do's and don'ts applicable to infoboxes. Could you let me have the link to any WP that applies to Infoboxes as such? Qexigator (talk) 17:52, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm far from an authority on infoboxes, Qexigator, so short of pointing you to the MOS:INFOBOX-obvious, I would just advise you to avoid WP:ARBINFOBOX2 at all cost! Regards, El_C 18:13, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Some users get hot about infoboxes, while for others it's the normal thing to have. Before adding an infobox to an article without one, check for warnings in edit mode, and for discussions on the talk page. Recent example Ian Fleming, nonono. Those who made the article as nice as it is today don't like it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:23, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Haha! See what I mean, Qexigator? *Pokes Gerda* El_C 18:25, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the link to MOS:INFOBOX. This comfirms my experience when I have been looking at or editing other well-established articles on impottant topics: the infobox is 'to summarize (and not supplant) key facts that appear in the article (an article should remain complete with its summary infobox ignored,,,The less information it contains, the more effectively it serves that purpose, allowing readers to identify key facts at a glance,' If well done, they can be very helpful when needed.' Qexigator (talk) 18:44, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

My favourite is Beethoven. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:05, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

The unquestionable elegance of less is more. El_C 19:08, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

I am so proud of that ;) - Did you know that I designed it in the workshop of Teh Case ("Actually, I believe almost every article would profit from a placement like that in history and geography.")? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:01, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Us

User:El C/Songs from the homeland (YouTube links to individual performances are at the top of the subpage, in boldface)

"You See Far, You See Clear"

"Us"

"I Want Us To Be Realized"

"Didn't Know You'd Walk Away From Me"

"You Put My Hand In Yours"

"A Place Of Worry"

What Is Love?

"How Is It That A Star"

"A Love Song (Like A Wheel)"

"Sitting On The Fence"

"Fragile"

"In Praise Of Samba"

"Where Are You?"

"Poogy Tales"

"Tell Me"

"There Were Nights"

"It Happens"

"Drawing"

"Yes, It Has No Chance, But Between Myself And I Everything Is Allowed"

Last updated: El_C 09:05, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Gerda loves subsections!

Thanks for sharing! Reminds me of my one and only contrib to the Hebrew Wikipedia. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:17, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

I would have liked to add the pic to context, but can't tell ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:46, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Are you referring to he:קובץ:Ubud_Cremation_4.jpg, because that is one scary dragon! El_C 08:51, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

yes ;) - that pic was taken by my much-missed friend who made the good version for Ian Fleming, and my illustration for the infobox wars (see the link to the workshop, and in my 2020 talk archive). - On the other topic, Bach, we have now another ANI, by Smerus, Nikkimaria is fighting, I shake my head and try to look away, and Mathsci is still blocked. How many more editors in good standing are going to be burnt? - I like the singers music, but the images best when I see him, not graphics. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:54, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Haha! All roads lead to Ian Fleming, it seems. Also, you're making me sound like the grim reaper, but I just want to pet a chipmunk! El_C 11:03, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

"making you sound"? I just tremble with indignation - out for the day --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:07, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

That's the second time today where I've had Che quoted back at me — looks like it's gonna be one of those days... Enjoy your outing! El_C 11:13, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Innisfree Garden

Back from sun and snow: sorry if that landed wrong. I was a bit in a rush, and reacted to "all roads lead to IF". I don't care about IF, at all, the number of my edits to his article is zero, the number of my edits to the talk page is zero. I had not thought of him in years until the ongoing RfC, and my edits will remain zero. I use his name as an example, because - with the RfC going - I can mention it, otherwise if I mentioned a name from the group someone would come and cry "canvassing".

I thought about the animosity, and what I can trace back (because I really don't understand it), and looked at what I wrote about Ian Fleming on the page deleted as a call to battle. I made a note of the name, that it was infobox person (red background indicating that it was lost) and the above-mentioned diff of a good version from 2012 piped to the date. That's all. I had forgotten until I looked it up now that my friend had made the good version. When we lost him (later that year) I spread the image all over the Wikipedias, even Hebrew (with some help from a friend from Jerusalem). My first reaction had been to leave, but then I didn't want to do his enemies that favour ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:30, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Ooh, that is some lovley greenery. So nice. Also, you can CANVASS me any day, Gerda, but should probably note my propensity to call (!)voter fraud whenever things don't go my way (diff). Anyway, trying to take it easy today, with the occasional bouts of critical drinking. El_C 19:28, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Fine, easy today, will explain "canvass" some other day, also why I think the animosity is inherited, because the listing described really doesn't explain it, - although I can see (now) that the red background - about as red as your top image - could be seen as inflammatory. But a reason to leave Wikipedia? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:17, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Easier today, with progress on BWV 1. Back to the beginning, Hebrew: we miss Yoninah, terribly, and one of the many things she would have done for me is adding the text of a psalm to the article, compare Psalm 45 and Psalm 43. The text can be found at the bottom, in External links. I could probably manage but would feel safer if someone did it who could actually read it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:44, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

 Done. Oh, good, glad to hear it. Yup, I well know Yoninah for her top-tier contributions. I wouldn't count our losses yet, though. She's only been gone less than a month. Hopefully, she'll return soon. *Sending positive vibes* El_C 11:01, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Haha! Dangerous terrain (diff), who would have thunk it? (Seriously, I didn't.) El_C 11:07, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Hmm. I confess to being puzzled (diff). Anyway, pinged you to User_talk:Veverve#Psalm_43_query. Hopefully, my confusion can be assuaged. El_C 11:32, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

did it? (I had an edit conflict there) - thank you for a new word, "assuaged" --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:37, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

See the trouble you get me into? Now to ameliorate! El_C 11:39, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

going out again, sun and snow, will think about amelioration when walking --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:03, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Obligatory Here Comes Sunshine spam! El_C 12:27, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

refreshed: spam for spam (subject of my first article, which was supposed to be the only one, but it had this red link ...) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:36, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Very nice, but I still think I'm owed some Psalms-related comforting! El_C 20:38, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

"no good thing will he withhold from them that walk uprightly" --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:48, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, I like that a lot! El_C 20:49, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Sadly: more work for you, in her memory. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:02, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Guess what, BWV 1 and BWV 159 make progress. You mentioned AE. I was there, last 2015. It was so awful that I dropped all pride (and it felt like giving up walking uprightly - watch out for Psalm 110 there) and appealed (and even successfully so). Starlight on top of that archive ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:01, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

I'll take some startlight — been flying too close to the sun lately, truth be told. El_C 18:34, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

You are welcome! I made a hook, also for you.

Did you know ...

... that Universalkünstler
Arik Brauer
created paintings in Fantastic Realism,
songs in Austropop,
stage sets for the Paris Opera,
and house facades in Austria and Israel?

(17 February 2021)

One this day nine years ago, I told Voceditenore that she is a voice of opera and reason. In 2018, she said: "And, no, there haven't been infobox squabbles in ages. I personally use them all the time now for biographies and operas. There are a few diehards left, but the general attitude from both perspectives seems to have settled on live and let live." So why is it that some still can't settle on live and let live? - The next cookbook author is scheluded to appear as TFA (with a nice infobox btw, as the last), and I will keep the usual thanks to the creator for myself as insistent, but I don't understand. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:54, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Love the artwork of Arik Brauer — nicely done! Ah, the vicissitudes of infoboxen, its ebbs and and flow. What a peculiar thing it is. El_C 14:55, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

No, it doesn't. It could just ebb. In 2018, it was no concern. Why is it now? Why can't we just edit the little boxes as other content: someone adds, and if someone reverts, consensus needs to be established. Instead, someone adding, or requesting, or just asking where it went, is considered a warrior. The question where it went often goes like this: when a certain group of editors expanded an article, they collapsed it (thinking that was a compromise, but making life harder for those having physical trouble to click the "show" button). That caused a little edit-war, which was "resolved" by taking it away completely, with a discussion like this on the talk following. Ever since, we have been reminded that there was this consensus not to have one, and we are supposed to believe that. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:10, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

For sure, I am like-minded with you in that interpretation. WP:ONUS should generally be observed, like elsewhere. Indeed, there really isn't an excuse for not doing so. In theory, per WP:ARBINFOBOX2, WP:ACDS allows admins to just straight-up make it (ONUS) a requirement by adding Consensus required to intractable infobox disputes. My sense is that most admins just do not want to touch these because it usually ends up amounting to a zero-sum game, at best — myself, I don't really engage infobox disputes in an AE capacity, because the history and politics AE topic areas keep me busy enough (diff). El_C 16:19, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

There are almost no "intractable infobox disputes", really, so DS serves no purpose. The problem is that a newcomer who has no idea of a minefield is treated as a warrior. - I love your translations. We should have more us. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:36, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Ah, understood. Admittedly, I do not have a firm grasp of what's happening on the infobox front. RE: translations. Many thanks! I appreciate your praise very much. Also Val's. Strange how it took me hours and hours to do the first one, an hour to do the second one, and 30 minutes to do the third one. But I think I'm now finally satisfied with the final form of all three translations, so at least I'm done with the constant tinkering (though not to jinx it!). El_C 16:57, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

For more understanding: imagine - if you can, it takes courage - for a moment that back in 2012, the infobox had been kept as it had been for years then already. Imagine. - Certainly thanks to presentation here, Arik Brauer made it to the stats, DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:48, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Play Bach

How do you like this? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:46, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Enjoy the music, and make it last. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:18, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

(As) I always do, Gerda! Yours always, El_C 12:00, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Great music offer! - What do you think of the start of Reception, - the little prince never gives up a question. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:14, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Not usually a fan of princes, but here's one that really did music-it-up! El_C 12:17, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Agree about Johann Ernst! The Little Prince never gives up a question, "the prince has golden hair, a lovable laugh, and will repeat questions until they are answered". How do you like the beginning of reception? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:50, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

One of my favourite books growing up... Reception looks great to me. I think he did a fine job. Top tier musicology. El_C 16:54, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

I agree, but who is "he"? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:56, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

"You know, that guy — who always wore a shirt." Oh, sorry, did you write that, with him just having merged it? It's a low attention span -day today, so brace yourself! El_C 17:04, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Nonono, I could never write such a thing (+ I'm not a "he" as the writer is, and yes, the obvious "he" just merged it). Two ways to the answer: you follow the links in the edit summary (better the second), or you look at the new article's talk page. Unless you just guess why I come to you of all people with this question, and may guess right. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:17, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

A riddle — noo! There better not be a math and science test at the end of this! El_C 17:21, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

test? first question in this thread has one (!) link, leading to the initial entry of a new article, with two (but I said better second) links, with the second leading to where an estimated 95% of the content came from. [2] - a fine job, indeed, not my style, but fine. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:51, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Hoping for a D-. That would be about right. El_C 17:57, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

An unblock would do. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:55, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Gerda, for reasons which are my own, attending to this dispute, in any administrative capacity, just isn't something I wish to engage at this time. Sorry. El_C 20:42, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Understand. Appreciation of outstanding work is better. You can tell other admins where the clue is - my lead image until 2021 came, remember? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:06, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Of course, happy to pass on genuine positive impressions, always. Yes, I do. Breathtaking, primordial. El_C 22:26, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

"at times heavy to carry" (quoting myself still from the same page which also has the model for Precious, did you see? - the cabal of the outcast, - I told Bus stop four years ago, feel like Cassandre) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:06, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

And that's very much okay to express. Also, we can be in diametric opposition about whatever from time to time. That is also okay. El_C 23:20, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Film clip of the day

Paul Robeson - "Ol' Man River" - link.

It is a cause for enduring regret that Robeson only recorded one of Dvořák's ten Biblical Songs - "By the Waters of Babylon" (in the original Czech, yet).

Am I right in thinking this may be to your taste, or is that pie in the sky?

{added) a historical document by Harry K. McClintock. Narky Blert (talk) 22:51, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Like. Wow, great post, Narky! On this talk page, you get bonus credits just for linking to Paul Robeson. And you get extra-Gerda hymn credits for linking to The Preacher and the Slave. BTW, I like In the Sweet By-and-By (and I like J.P. Webster), a lot, I find it really beautiful. El_C 11:30, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

yes, rich post, like all of it (writing in Berlin) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:01, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Randomly: well, if you have schnitzel — take pics! El_C 14:44, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

The Berlin specialties are liver, Eisbein and Currywurst. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:49, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Well, okay, when next in Vienna, then. Now I feel like liver and onions. El_C 15:16, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

which I had --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:04, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Pics or it didn't happen. El_C 16:24, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

pics taken but no time to upload yet, - and off for a chamber music concert in the Pierre Boulez Hall where I took a pic earlier (years ago) but never uploaded --Gerda Arendt (|talk) 16:30, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: Did Stefan George write nouns with lowercase initial letters, or are the transcriptions in String Quartets (Schoenberg)#Text faulty?

George wrote lower case. You are a fast reader, - did you get it from my talk or looked up the program? - I didn't upload my pics of the hall because taking pictures is verboten, but they are better than what we have here ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:57, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the info! I googled Pierre-Boulez-Saal for the programme and looked at our Schoenberg article to refresh my memory of the poems (and played the Haydn). Narky Blert (talk) 11:50, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanksgiving music - click on November songs for the food delivery. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:04, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

That Showboat clip is remarkable for 1936. Even years later (to at least Hellzapoppin', 1941), Hollywood films would include a toe-curling musical interlude in which a group of darkies would discover a piano on the set and hold an impromptu dance party.

Neither the hymn nor the parody is well-known in UK; but "pie in the sky" is long-established idiom (from at least the 1950s to my knowledge). I'd make a small wager that "The P and the S" had been brought over by a labo(u)r activist, and that those Scottish miners knew both the song and who Joe Hill was.

The most unexpected articles can get serious numbers of views. When I wrote C. Austin Miles, I never expected 20 views/day; nor anywhere near 17 for the Dvořák cycle. Narky Blert (talk) 20:49, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Gerda, apples? No! I wouldn't touch a Waldorf Salad even if it would be served by Basil himself. Yuck. El_C 11:25, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Narky, Sorry, is that a lot of page views? I don't really have a metric. I just checked and it looks like my talk page gets about 100 a day, so C. Austin Miles — C Deez Nuts! [So disrespectful ] Needless to say, I like Richard Griffiths (RIP). Thanks as always for the education on the history of British workers and their struggle. El_C 11:25, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Be in the news, even in a minor way, and you can get a thousand plus; be obscure, and 1 (background noise) is typical. If you're a prolific editor, you can get 400-700 for your Home Page. Narky Blert (talk) 12:08, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

"juxtaposition of the sublime and the trivial" didn't interest many but me ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:29, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

View count or it didn't happen! (See what I did there, Narky?) El_C 14:03, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Filippo was a youngbloodyfool. Charging an armoured car with hand grenades? ptui! (Isn't that a super photo? I was very pleased to find it.) The Gold Medal was often posthumous, and IMO as an award is right up there with the VC and MoH.

There's an undocumented story we can only guess at. Italy was in something of disarray between 1943 and 1945, with 20-odd years of fascism to dismantle; but someone saw fit to collect the details of that incident and send them upwards towards the Quirinale; where clearly someone took notice. I like to imagine that one day a shiny limousine glided into a Neapolitan slum to the admiration of all, a man wearing a tricolor sash heaved himself out, knocked on a door, and proceeded to read that document aloud. Narky Blert (talk) 00:54, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

I got a decent sense of that overall context in the last chapter of the last book I read (chapter 7 of 7, "Nazis," in Rome: A History in Seven Sackings — see here). It's an unbelievable bio of a brief life, to be sure, from what little that is known. El_C 13:45, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Obtaining consensus is a blockable offense?

I've been told obtaining consensus is a blockable offence, and in the same discussion asked by the same person and another editor they tagged to do the opposite. Now I'm confused. Cipher21 (talk) 18:30, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm not following that blocked/banned for disruption, either (by TrangaBellam). I presume it's due to... reasons. And I wouldn't worry about that Filing an edit request to reinstate deleted content is cheeky. If it gets reported to admins they will take a dim view of it (by Kautilya3). I just presume you didn't know that this isn't what edit requests are for. Also, I set the protection to WP:FULL, not to WP:ECP, so you made a mistake there as only admins can edit the page currently (protection expires in 2 days though, anyway).—oops, wrong page

Anyway, as Kautilya3 mentions, run an WP:RfC and/or consult WP:RSN about the strength of those sources in making these claims (about allies). Maybe they'll be deemed good enough; maybe they'll need to be qualified (like in parenthesis, claimed by x); or maybe they're no good. The editorial process will determine which is which. So you're free to explore that avenue.

That said, wrt my own recollection of my interaction with you, I observed that: 1. you're still pretty low on the wiki learning curve, but are not that cognizant that you are (i.e. of those limitations, a bit of a Dunning–Kruger thing, tbh). And 2. You tend to WP:BLUDGEON discussions in that confused state. Take that as you will. Good luck. El_C 20:37, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, I hadn't read TrangaBellam's comment carefully. Consensus-seeking is not problematic. But, Cipher21, you need to discuss it with the people that objected to the content. You can't randomly issue an edit request for it to be reinstated. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 23:55, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

From the perspective of someone who answers hundreds of edit requests, a request for someone to revert someone else's edits is pretty much an automatic "seek consensus" template reply. Of the article is protected there's generally a reason, and asking someone to edit war on your behalf through protection is generally not good. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 00:05, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Just because I like it

Godley & Creme - "Under Your Thumb". One of the very few ghost stories in popular song. Narky Blert (talk) 00:36, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Nice, Narky. I was unaware, so definitely an Under My Thumb misdirect for me! Interesting you mention g-g-g-ghosts and ghostings, because I've been watching a lot of scary content lately (Nexpo, etc.), which as I was recently telling Wugapodes (also a fan) I find a bit difficult to define as a creepypasta'ish genre, though I've heard Pyrocynical call it "Transmedia storytelling," which is a pretty good albeit partial term for it. (See #Boo! for more spooky details and #HSGS [etc.] for even more of the lore.) El_C 13:58, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

It hadn't occurred to me before - but I wonder if G&C were consciously or unconsciously writing a reply song to "UMT", which is exceptionally misogynistic even by early Stones standards. Narky Blert (talk) 21:22, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Edit war

Hi El C! I'd like to ask for your help with an edit war at Talk:Ali#problematic_edits. Thanks! Albertatiran (talk) 08:16, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Albertatiran, I'm sorry but I'm not available to assist you with this at this time. Enforcement for edit warring can be sought at WP:AN3. Good luck. El_C 14:00, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

No worries, thanks for letting me know. Albertatiran (talk) 15:13, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Omicron

• Omicron (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Temporary semi-protection: persistent IP vandalism due to emergence of SARS-CoV-2 Omicron variant after expiry of protection has resumed. Already asked at WP:RfPP yesterday, but seems fo lks are busy. Thanks 2402:3A80:6C1:96A:9464:D5D3:4371:B576 (talk) 04:04, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Already protected by administrator Johnuniq. El_C 13:46, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Just because I like it

The surprising return of the Breakfast sandwich

A biscuit for you - mind your teeth!

Steve Winwood - "Arc of a Diver" - link

He was so disgustingly talented that he had a UK #1 at age 15 with "Keep on Running" - link. (I prefer the cover to the original, but only just.)

(Another Steve scored a US #1 at age 13 - link.)

Bonus track, because I'm feeling generous today. (This is the song being parodied.) Narky Blert (talk) 23:23, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Like. I'll have me some Steve Winwood (and friends) any day! And now I want biscuit, but not the weird English kind — the good kind. El_C 02:04, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

That's not a biscuit! that's a bun or a bread roll (or in my bit of England, a batch, and in other parts, a bap or a butty; you can starve to death trying to get a food order right; for some reason, all the synonyms seem to begin with 'b').

I've never been a big SW fan, I find his harp sound grating, but the man has class. Once asked if his blindness was a handicap to his career, he replied, "It could have been worse, I might have been born Black".

Skiffle was a sort of English proto-punk - all you needed was enthusiasm, a washboard, a tea-chest bass, a crappy guitar, a beat-up drumkit, and some imported 78s. Lonnie Donegan isn't on anyone's list of superstars, but look at his list of singles - getting Lead Belly and Woody numbers into the UK charts in the 1950s says something about his ears. The bands of the British Invasion grew up listening to him. Narky Blert (talk) 21:25, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Buttermilk biscuit! I'm not sailing anywhere. Anyway, I like his music well enough, though not as much as some of my friends. Personally, I've never owned a retail album of his in the pre-streaming era, but it was around well enough. Yeah, I don't know who any of these other people are. El_C 14:50, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Gerda's December corner

December songs

Today: sharing symphonic music - happy listening! - I asked the arb cands if they'd listen, which is an art. - Listen to what de:Jerome Kohl wrote about Zeitmaße, premiered by Pierre Boulez. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:30, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Election's almost done. Naturally, I voted for Kodos, as is custom. El_C 14:42, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Notification

I will be appealing my topic ban at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard SecretName101 (talk) 00:03, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Disappointing of you

I want to express to you, not out of anger, but disappointment, that it hurts you so quickly reached a “no” decision.

I am far less disappointed that you want to retain that topic ban than I am at why and how you are reaching and justifying said judgement.

I had already, long before, acknowledged to you the I now recognized the article was “overwhelmingly negative” in those exact words, yet you penalize me for not repeating myself on it? I said I would submit ANY negative-leaning article on marginal figures for review first, that EXCEEDS your concern. Yet you flag that as unsatisfactory.

You judged me solely on outlying mistakes, and utterly ignored longstanding and continued positive contribution to the project.

You had urged me to make edits to show I am valuable to the project. I make over 1,000 edits on a variety of subjects, and you do not even acknowledge them.

These topic bans are to prevent threats of disprution to the project. Not to punish. You have not based your arguments on what threat of disruption I would actively pose.

And we had been over that I didn’t, at the time, see politicians having a different format than other BLP on crimes. Yet you played ignorant to our previous discussion on that.

You also have reignited a micro aggression towards me, and are seeking to penalize me for having not sat silent when that initial micro aggression occurred. Characterizing people who fail to recognize the exact same patterns as others as incompetent IS a clear micro aggression towards neurodiverse individuals. SecretName101 (talk) 02:52, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

SecretName101, I'm unable to parse the meaning of that it hurts you so quickly reached a “no” decision, but in any case, I'd rather the discussion not be split (yet again: [3][4]), so please incorporate any arguments you see fit toward your appeal, rather than doing so here. Thank you. El_C 03:08, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Question concerning mass shootings

Back in 2019, you put an editnotice in place regarding the listing of victim names. I assume this wasn't the 1st time or the last. What criteria goes into making that decision? Just curious since another one is being debated again. Thanks --GoneIn60 (talk) 09:31, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

An agreement as to a criteria never came to fruition, probably because the views of many participants are so entrenched. My own sense is that the smaller the number of victims is, the more suitable it is to list them by name. On the flip side, the greater the number, the more listing individual victims by name violates the spirit of WP:NOTAMEMORIAL. As for my 2019 notice, it emphasizes WP:ONUS, which I think should apply to any mass shooting page (on a per page basis), at least until this elusive criteria is formed (if and/or when). HTH. El_C 10:05, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Appreciate the explanation. Yeah, it's a difficult discussion every time, and I think an all-or-none approach (at least in regard to random victims) is the only way some kind of consensus will form. Otherwise, you'll have editors arguing over what the threshold is before names should be excluded. Oh well, onto another age-old debate I go! --GoneIn60 (talk) 10:21, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

An uncomfortable song

Jacques Brel - "Au suivant".

No subs on that, but there's a version in English by Scott Walker, a very good interpreter of Brel - "Next". Narky Blert (talk) 20:08, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Wow, intense. Next! El_C 11:23, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Special restriction

Hi El C. I'm wondering whether the special editing restrictions from March this year on Dabaqabad are still in effect atm. I looked into this concurrently after they appeared to snub the consensus translation of four Italian-speaking editors on a Caroselli book, subsequently edited by user Lambian : (link), an action they repeated here, in both cases without a talk page comment. Then I saw this article's history; they made reverts in November without a talk page comment, and again on the 5th of December without a talk page comment; this appears to me to be a snub of their ARBHORN restrictions. In their talk page comments they also smeared Jama Omar Issa as prejudiced, thus unreliable, for a typo he made in 1976 when the Somali script was 4 years old (link), even though he has been peer reviewed 113 times per google scholar. Before this thread, I was wondering if its allowed to unarchive the currently archived case. Heesxiisolehh (talk) 06:47, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Heesxiisolehh, I recall there was emerging consensus in that AE case to convert that custom sanction I imposed on Dabaqabad into a standard TBAN, but looks like participation in the case fizzled out for some reason, then it got archived un-closed (for my part, I think I got busy and just forgot). I'd say it would be okay to file another AE request, one which emphasizes that its new evidence should be considered alongside that un-closed, now-archived AE request. More directly in answer to your question: yes, since nothing new was logged at WP:AEL, nothing has changed wrt that custom sanction still being in effect. That Dec 3 incident does appear to be a violation, though the Dec 5 one doesn't. HTH. El_C 11:15, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello!

Thanks for the ping @El C:, I'd just like to clear things out and give the context;

1. The only consensus was the translation: that is the Dhulbahante handed over forts. You used that source to then claim that all Dervish forts from Jidali ([5]), Taleh ([6], where you can even see the WP:Synth and misuse of the sources) to Eyl ([7]) were Dhulbahante garesas or forts which is not supported by that source nor by any other sources you cited at all. There is also this issue with you misusing sources and engaging in original research and synth in regards to Diiriye Guure, I have had to remove several mentions of him since none of the cited sources actually supported the notion that you promote that Diiriye is the overarching sultan of the Dervishes, even more powerful than Sayid Mohammed Abdullah Hassan. More on that here.

2. This part was not a typo, but rather valid criticism as well as a consistent pattern that I noticed with the removal and decreasing of the Isaaq members of the Dervishes in clear violation of the sources that it quotes. Doubting a source is not "smearing". More on that link here.

3. To be honest, I feel like this is an attempt by you to "avenge" yourself after I removed a lot of your content which were original research not to mention reeked of WP:Synth. Instead of discussing this serious matter so we could reach a consensus and improve Somali articles together (you even stopped replying to my messages) you went straight to the admins in an attempt to "get rid of" me.

It is also very disingenuous of you to claim that I left no message at the talk pages when I opened not one nor two but 3 discussions with you (Regarding Deria Gure, regarding your Jama source, regarding addition of original research) in addition to further elaborating on my stance on this Diiriye Guure guy here as well as elaborating on unreliable sources. Any removals of content is in the context of these discussions since the content I have removed are almost identical to the content removals I have been discussing with him over.

And to be honest with you, I have a feeling that the Diiriye Guure page might be nothing but a hoax. I'll research this further and I'd like @El C: to also take a look at it if he has the time. Dabaqabad (talk) 12:37, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, Dabaqabad, I don't have the time atm. El_C 13:37, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Hey

Hi El C long time no talk, hope you're doing well. I had concerns regarding a user you have tbanned from AA. Following the tban of DriedGrape and their subsequent tban violation block, they have edited AA content again: [8], [9]. First diff they added an Azerbaijani name, and in second diff they removed a bunch of sourced info regarding Armenia. Hoping that you could take a look. Best regards, ZaniGiovanni (talk) 12:08, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Hey. Doing alright, thanks for asking. Just really busy lately. Anyway, blocked (again), but for longer. El_C 13:27, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Busy time of the year) Btw El C, just noticed that in second diff they didn't remove but rather restructured/move down info related to Armenia, wanted to correct myself. With best, ZaniGiovanni (talk) 13:43, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

SPI

Hey, El C. Hope you're well. Can you close a report I filed at SPI: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Solomon155? The sockmaster account and the sock are revert-warring together and they're adding information which is not discussed by the bibliography. If all articles targeted by them were permanently semi-protected or required autoconfirmed status it'd be even better.--Maleschreiber (talk) 00:10, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Hey. Doing alright, thanks for asking. Sorry, but I'm not a CU (and have no interest in becoming one), so pretty much the only time I attend to an SPI is when I have some sort of first hand knowledge about it. El_C 13:32, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Request

Can you please review and close the discussion at Talk:Oxford High School shooting#Names_of_victims? My initial request was going to be at the seven day mark, but another editor suggested "7-10 days", so I leave it to you to decide the best time, but I believe given our prior interactions nobody would ever suggest you were biased in any way towards my position in these discussions. If not you, could you recommend an admin with a history of closing contentious discussions? Thank you! —Locke Cole • t • c 06:18, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) These kinds of contentious debates typically run for several weeks if not a month. In past RfC's, responses were still coming in 3 weeks later. Surprising this one wasn't closed in favor of having a broader RfC (or moved to a new RfC section, copying the existing discussion over). --GoneIn60 (talk) 12:15, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

My suggestion remains: work on building consensus to update WP:NOTAMEMORIAL, or to get a new policy/guideline about this outright. Currently, we still have Wikipedia:Victim lists and Wikipedia:Casualty lists as competing essays. Which is dumb. I'm not interested in involving myself with further repetition in this perennial matter, at least for the foreseeable future. Nor am I prepared to basically create such a criteria by fiat via WP:ARBBLP. At the event, I'm too busy atm to assist with too much, in general, but if that wasn't the case, the aforementioned is what I'd say. Sorry, I'd rather not recommend someone else because I feel that would be an imposition. El_C 13:29, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Good advice. I just recently discovered those essays existed. Will see what I can contribute in that regard once we get past the current debate. Locke, we should go ahead and follow the normal process on this one. --GoneIn60 (talk) 13:49, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

WWGB had suggested we run it for ten days total, initially my thought was a week as discussion appeared to be slowing down, but as you've solicited feedback in some additional venues, I would be fine with letting it run for 14 days total (unless there's clearly some discussion continuing to merit going longer). We should request an uninvolved admin at WP:AN to close it, either now (with the aforementioned 14-day closing date in mind) or nearer to the actual end time (I'm leaning towards now because there's a lot to read through/sort through, so if someone wants to take time to consider the arguments/merits they would have a headstart). —Locke Cole • t • c 06:00, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Now sounds good for the reasons you mention, thanks. --GoneIn60 (talk) 06:29, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Done. —Locke Cole • t • c 15:43, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

You're fine, thank you for the pointers and advice regardless, El C. —Locke Cole • t • c 06:00, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Administrators will no longer be autopatrolled

A recently closed Request for Comment (RFC) reached consensus to remove Autopatrolled from the administrator user group. You may, similarly as with Edit Filter Manager, choose to self-assign this permission to yourself. This will be implemented the week of December 13th, but if you wish to self-assign you may do so now. To find out when the change has gone live or if you have any questions please visit the Administrator's Noticeboard. 20:05, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Something more cheerful

Boccherini - Guitar Quintet No. 4 - "Fandango".

I myself will attempt the invocation - "Gerda, Gerda! Wache, erwache!"

(I don't think I could get Silvia Duran through WP:NBIO, but she's mentioned at Dance in Israel#Flamenco.) Narky Blert (talk) 22:11, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

I'll go to sleep, after a great night at the Nationaltheater München, too tired to upload a pic, and one on the commons is rather similar. Tenor world-famous, but Russiam soprano and Israeli conductor have no article yet which will change. See my images, and that Fandango is mentioned, DYK? --Gerda Arendt (Conductor at least in German. If LouisAlain was still with us he'd translate that tomorrow. Now I have to do it myself, and it will not be tomorrow.) talk) 23:39, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

I've got a special treat for those long winter nights. Coming soon. (No Winter Is Coming jokes, please!) El_C 15:38, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Anwar Shah Orakzai salting

A couple of weeks ago you salted Anwar Shah Orakzai. While NPP reviewing, I found that it was re-created today as Anwar Shah Orakzai (Journalist). Would it be beneficial to salt that one too, as well as the lowercase Anwar Shah Orakzai (journalist). Curbon7 (talk) 07:31, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Oh, looks like I never actually salted. In any case, I indeffed the user and moved the page to draft rather than re-delete. Maybe that move plus the block will be enough. If not, let me know. El_C 11:55, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Protection

Please protect Breast tax.CoachEzhupunna (talk) 08:10, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected indefinitely. Logged at WP:CASTE. El_C 11:56, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Destiny

See also: User:El C/Songs from new lands, User:El C/Songs from the homeland

A blast from the past! (circa 2002). El_C 08:40, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Longing for Home (circa 2008). El_C 11:34, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

For when just plain Distractions are afoot. El_C 16:54, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Spinning over simple things. El_C 08:17, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Oceanic feeling

Everyone is Everyone (and Everything is Everything). El_C 23:02, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Lyrics:

(Intro) Somehow I found myself here today Awakened to these thoughts and feelings Or an oceanic sense of lucid dreaming? A strange sort of spherical sensation With an overwhelming sense of apprehension An emptiness that thunders out From beyond the mind's horizon So far beyond our reach Where consciousness coalesces Like the billowing loom of thunder clouds The streaming runs of thought goes 'Round and 'round and 'round Till the dancing funnels of wind touch down And the earth bows down in reverence Lest it should be torn to pieces And blown into oblivi-essence And all who live will run and hide And do what we’ve done since the dawn of time Everyone flees from the cyclone winds of One's own mind But if one day we should stand on the canyon’s edge Peer out through the beating rain, the pounding wind You'll find that everyone is everyone And everything is everything (Verse one) Open up Your hearts and minds 'Cause I remember Nothing One day now It all falls down But love must keep on Loving So start the show Here we go (Chorus) Dark to light The day from night A roll of a mountain A rip in the sky Turning the dust to flesh And ashes to breath A pull of a muscle A pin in the eye An initial spark To get this heart of mine pumping And another To get these feet of mine running But sadly they've just taken me To a place Where all is devoid Of your embrace So baby now we're falling Baby now you're falling Baby yeah, yeah Baby now we're falling, baby yeah Tripping and tumbling Flipping and fumbling Flowing on the rivers of sadness That have been forever rumbling But from dawn until now Of all the paths that I could have gone down Of all the valleys That I could have been flowing through In spite of all the chaos And all that has come between us How is it I still find myself Here with you (Outro) So somehow we find ourselves here today A feeling in this oceanic sense of lucid dreaming A strange sort of spherical sensation An emptiness that thunders out From beyond the mind's horizon And all of us, we run and hide Do what we've done since the dawn of time Peering out through the beating rain The pounding wind Everyone is everyone And everything is everything

Serrado. El_C 23:33, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Live with Me. El_C 23:52, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

River Man. El_C 00:05, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Memories of Spain

Tomatito & Michel Camilo (2000)

Hooni (2012)

Olivier Castellat (2010)

Stevie Wonder (2008 live)

Gary Valenciano (2017 vocals)

Chick Corea and Return to Forever (1973 original) / Live performance (date unknown, but laterer)

El_C 23:29, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Chick and Hiromi my 2p. regards. -Roxy the sycamore. wooF 16:20, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Resting: a compilation

Flite — El_C 10:06, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Void — El_C 15:01, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

What Is This — El_C 18:16, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

WhipTail — El_C 10:53, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Tell Me Where — El_C 10:03, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Nothing Nice — El_C 22:25, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Posição — El_C 10:05, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Quiet Nights — El_C 10:08, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Feel Free — El_C 02:02, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Dear Limmertz (Hello, guitar! Hello, Good Waves) — El_C 10:11, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

Que Se Sepa — El_C 10:14, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Mina Do Condominio — El_C 10:04, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

On Sight — El_C 10:06, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

The return of Remix surfing

Be Honest — El_C 22:47, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

Wade in the Water — El_C 22:47, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

Summertime Ride — El_C 22:47, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

This Thing — El_C 22:47, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

Barrio — El_C 16:51, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

Maybe I'll be Tracer... — El_C 16:42, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

O Mary Don't You Weep — El_C 11:40, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Love Intersection — El_C 18:52, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Inside — El_C 05:46, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Cosmix — El_C 15:42, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Let Me In — El_C 15:11, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Find You — El_C 13:23, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Bossa 31 — El_C 16:36, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Recado Bossa Nova — El_C 13:01, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Just The Two Of Us — El_C 00:56, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Unless You Love Me — El_C 11:33, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

A New Born Day — El_C 11:33, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Inspiration Zone El_C 11:33, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Elektric City — El_C 13:50, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Kiss from a Rose — El_C 06:22, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Golden — El_C 09:13, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Mozalounge — El_C 20:47, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Sorrow — El_C 13:57, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

Be With You — El_C 14:06, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Everybody Knows — El_C 10:42, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Butterfly — El_C 01:14, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Guilty Pleasure — El_C 09:13, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Blue Bossa — El_C 15:27, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Legend — El_C 18:40, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Who — El_C 05:41, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Losing My Way ^{London (2019)} — El_C 15:05, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Love Forever — El_C 16:20, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Brother to Brother — El_C 01:48, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

'Round Midnight — El_C 06:03, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Close Your Eyes — El_C 18:13, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Shut Up 'n Play Yer Guitar

Whipping Post→Mountain Jam — El_C 23:02, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Into the Sun — El_C 14:36, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

April — El_C 14:50, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

Desire And The Comforter — El_C 04:32, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Fire on the Mountain — El_C 12:51, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

A Go Go — El_C 14:33, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Broken Promised Land — El_C 15:18, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Mediterranean Sundance / Rio Ancho — El_C 18:56, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Eternity's Breath, Pt. 1, Pt. 2 — El_C 21:37, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Say the Brother's Name — El_C 22:16, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Drifting — El_C 22:46, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

The Epic — El_C 05:19, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Little Wing — El_C 13:14, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Bold As Love — El_C 13:32, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Moonlight Sonata (3rd Movement), Tina S ^{Dr.Viossy — El_C 16:44, 28 July 2021 (UTC)}

Reba, Brother, Glide, Rift — El_C 22:08, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

How Insensitive (Wes Montgomery), Pat Martino, Grant Green — El_C 02:35, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

White Rabbit — El_C 13:00, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Telegraph Road — El_C 21:47, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Yours Is the Light — El_C 23:59, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Burning Bridges → Mudmen — El_C 13:42, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

16/16 — El_C 03:25, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

Achilles Last Stand — El_C 12:07, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

La Grange — El_C 03:05, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

White Room — El_C 00:26, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Tupelo (Albert King, Pops Staples, Steve Cropper), JLH — El_C 00:49, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Mr. Soul — El_C 03:06, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

My Inspiration — El_C 12:51, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Our Spanish Love Song — El_C 20:36, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Change of Life — El_C 02:07, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Reunion — El_C 12:59, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Montevideo — El_C 02:01, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Recado Bossa Nova — El_C 02:20, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Treacherous Cretins (studio), Copenhagen (1979) — El_C 12:08, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Arabia→Hasta Siempre, Comandante→Arabia — El_C 20:59, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Dark Star — El_C 16:42, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Tangled Up in Blue — El_C 02:27, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Face to Face (masks save lives) — El_C 13:11, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Blue Bossa — El_C 22:26, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Under the Milky Way — El_C 12:51, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Wish You Were Here (studio), Pulse — El_C 02:30, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Albert's Shuffle, His Holy Modal Majesty — El_C 14:09, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Cārukeśī, Sunset Road (studio) / Sunset Road (Live Art) — El_C 09:17, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Gimme Shelter — El_C 17:02, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

The Great Gig in the Sky (Pulse) — El_C 20:09, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Eyes of The World — El_C 03:46, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Morning Dew — El_C 14:26, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Blue Sky → Kind of Bird — El_C 18:23, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

I'm Troubled → Been All Around This World — El_C 14:52, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

While My Guitar Gently Weeps (JHB) — El_C 14:24, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

La Sirena — El_C 12:01, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

The Landlady — El_C 12:58, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Dope-A-Licious — El_C 00:09, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Air

Unveiled — El_C 15:36, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Portia — El_C 23:55, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

El Niño — El_C 00:29, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Jungle Strut — El_C 09:06, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Dialogos → San Lazaro — El_C 16:42, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Love Has Come Around — El_C 13:07, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

In a Sentimental Mood — El_C 14:20, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

Blue Rondo à la Turk — El_C 22:06, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

La Fiesta — El_C 10:54, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

Yes, It Has No Chance (etc.) — El_C 12:47, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

Mr. Skin — El_C 13:13, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Manhã de Carnaval — El_C 21:22, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Dawn: Dawn Is A Feeling — El_C 11:22, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

In My Own Way — El_C 19:24, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Caged Bird — El_C 10:36, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Around the Bend — El_C 15:56, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

House of the Rising Sun — El_C 00:25, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Prism #1 — El_C 11:41, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Water

Deep down → Secret Blue — El_C 18:19, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Familiar — El_C 05:54, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Feel It All Around — El_C 11:28, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

What If This Storm Ends? — El_C 18:34, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Promise — El_C 23:27, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Breathless — El_C 09:56, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Waves — El_C 17:45, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Power of Love → Vision is a Naked Sword — El_C 00:04, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Running Away — El_C 11:45, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

On a Clear Day (You Can See Forever) — El_C 23:37, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Jack-A-Roe — El_C 11:16, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Fall songspam

All Along the Watchtower — El_C 04:10, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

Oh My God! — El_C 00:25, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Poetry — El_C 12:05, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Paroles, paroles ("Words, words") — El_C 02:02, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Ebatule — El_C 14:25, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Europa (Earth's Cry Heaven's Smile) — El_C 00:34, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Booty Step — El_C 11:17, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Gymnopédie No. 1 → Arabesque No. 1 — El_C 10:31, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Raat Ne Main Baandhi Chhe — El_C 15:34, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Reza, Meu Bem — El_C 23:13, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Because — El_C 12:30, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Noite Longa — El_C 18:03, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Voce Me Apereceu — El_C 05:27, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Lodger → It Starts When We Disappear — El_C 15:50, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

One More Day — El_C 00:17, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Sing Song Kitty → Bonaparte's Retreat — El_C 11:33, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Girls Love Kehlani → Table El_C 01:46, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Kkwy — El_C 01:11, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Convoy — El_C 15:43, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Black Water (studio) → Live (1974) — El_C 08:53, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Summertime → The House of the Rising Sun — El_C 13:40, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Bossa Esfera — El_C 13:06, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Down Man — El_C 13:36, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

The High Road — El_C 02:42, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Found You — El_C 14:16, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Quero ver — El_C 01:22, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Raag Gawati (Dhan Dhan Bhag Hamare) — El_C 17:11, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

I Adore You — El_C 13:55, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Angola Anthem — El_C 18:40, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

Dopesnotfunkae — El_C 21:26, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

Descarga for Tito — El_C 18:28, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

Positive Notions — El_C 02:10, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

One — El_C 14:06, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

Secret Sun — El_C 21:58, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

Back Where It All Begins — El_C 14:08, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Riflessività — El_C 03:25, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Title 1 → 2 → 3 → 4 — El_C 16:39, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Tudo Que Você Podia Ser — El_C 13:54, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Necessary Discrepancy — El_C 13:21, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

Way Star — El_C 09:09, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

Lament — El_C 15:09, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

Lovely Day — El_C 14:00, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

Alter Ego — El_C 11:48, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

עמוד האש — El_C 13:24, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Won't Pray Adagio → Angel's Serenade — El_C 20:25, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

The Distance — El_C 18:10, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Toxic — El_C 12:58, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

I'm the Man Who Loves You → Poor Places — El_C 07:09, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Money Trees (original) → Sembari Edit → DJ Dahi & DJ Rahki: Sample masters — El_C 20:19, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Creation & Destruction — El_C 14:50, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Fuck the System — El_C 22:56, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Esperar Pra Ver — El_C 10:13, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

New Coat Of Paint — El_C 12:04, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

The Ecstasy of Gold — El_C 13:25, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

One Way — El_C 13:52, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

A Little Less Conversation — El_C 15:16, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Power in the Darkness — El_C 18:01, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

תמונה → Guitar — El_C 15:12, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Smokestack Lightning — El_C 11:42, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Ann River, Mn → Bibio Remix — El_C 10:43, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Mirror Temple — El_C 01:37, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Zoiks — El_C 15:24, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Tuyo — El_C 14:56, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

Exogenesis: Symphony Pt. 1 (Overture) — El_C 13:54, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

Lotus Land → A Lotus On Irish Streams — El_C 12:02, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

Romance del Diablo — El_C 13:23, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Enemy → (Worlds 2021 version → Radio edit → Orchestral/instrumental) → Guns for Hire → Goodbye — El_C 10:39, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

Floral Fury — El_C 18:40, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

Waking Up → VIP Extended Mix — El_C 10:00, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

Solução Edit — El_C 13:30, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

אפילו דקה → Trem das Onze — El_C 14:13, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Knives Out — El_C 16:23, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Child in Time — El_C 01:16, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Free Bird (extended studio) — El_C 12:09, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Nobody Speak → Nobody Move — El_C 11:53, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Be Alright (Live at One Love Manchester) — El_C 11:39, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Victory Theme (SHADOWFOX2 Remix) → Funk Fiction Remix — El_C 14:15, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Everywhere at the End of Time (Nexpo 4-min summary) → Full album (6.5 hours) — El_C 02:14, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Intimidated — El_C 15:00, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Seoul — El_C 11:24, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Fiona — El_C 14:52, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Sun — El_C 14:18, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Parole parole — El_C 15:10, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Breathe (2 AM) (Live) — El_C 13:11, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

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Chris Hedges: "The Meaning of Christmas" (December 27, 2020). El_C 23:50, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

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Sorry, everyone, with very few exceptions, I will not be accepting any new requests for administrative intervention on my talk page for the foreseeable future. In the meantime, enjoy the music! El_C 18:33, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Now also introducing Buck Flower, security guard (challenging times ahead!). El_C 12:46, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Totally unfair quiz question

What connects the following?

1. Louis Armstrong - Melancholy Blues
2. Chuck Berry - Johnny B Goode
3. Blind Willie Johnson - Dark Was the Night (Cold Was the Ground)
4. Ludwig van Beethoven - Cavatina from Op.130 (that recording specifically)

Hints available on request. Narky Blert (talk) 21:47, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Anyone who's been the specific kind of stoner I used to be will get this right away. Firefangledfeathers 21:55, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

What is Contents of the Voyager Golden Record — final answer. El_C 13:03, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Bravo! The blind musician and the deaf, together in eternity. Narky Blert (talk) 13:15, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

My favorite is Chakrulo, a Georgian choral piece. Firefangledfeathers 22:45, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Question

I have created an article called "Council of Troyes (1129)". However, there is a page Synods held at Troyes that redirects any Council of Troyes to that particular article. Is there anyway to remove the redirect for "Council of Troyes (1129)"? Or some other solution? --Kansas Bear (talk) 00:52, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Is there a reason you can’t just over-write the current redirect page, Council of Troyes (1129) with your new article text? It stops redirecting to the Synods page when #REDIRECT [[Synods held at Troyes]] {{R with possibilities}} is deleted. The reason I ask is that’s what I would have done so if there’s somethng wrong wth doing that it would be good to know. DeCausa (talk) 08:48, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Right, Kansas Bear, here, click this link → https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Council_of_Troyes_(1129)&action=edit ← and just add your content to it directly (I saved you a click!). El_C 12:58, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

DeCausa, I was not sure that was an option. Thanks, El C. --Kansas Bear (talk) 16:10, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

BLP violations

You protected the page earlier and you did it again but I just want you to know that you will see such disruptions only on List of converts to Islam from Hinduism and and not vice-versa. Kindly see Category:Lists_of_religious_converts_-_possibly_widespread_BLPvios where you can clearly check admin Black Kite's comments about it. I have also experienced that a handful of editors (some of whom are blocked already[10] follow this pattern to edit war, sometimes with false edit summaries,[11] without checking the sources[12] and they do it just to get the page protected from editing.

In the ANI discussion, if you spare 5 mintues and read this incident, you will see my edits to the page were all adequetly sourced and comply with BLPCAT whereas the other editor's edit summaries were not true and several other editors have commented on that.

This has been happening agian and again and it is quite exhaustive to contribute further when you have to explain these things to such editors who clearly have a vandetta and keep removing the edits. As an admin, can you please honestly suggest me a way to fix the problem permanently to keep Wikipedia unbiased and so that I can contribute in other areas? Thanks. --Bringtar (talk) 17:08, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, Bringtar, I don't have time to follow up. Again, report any outstanding issues to WP:BLPN (or any other relevant noticeboard). Good luck. El_C 17:19, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Ok, thank you. --Bringtar (talk) 17:34, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Module:Portal/doc

Why was this protected? It's only used on two pages, so is not high-risk. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:11, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Ditto for Template:Portal/doc. The doc pages themselves aren't high-risk, only the templates they are documenting. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:12, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

jjjjjjjjjjjj El_C 17:21, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Would you mind unprotecting the pages, then? * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:22, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

To what end? El_C 17:24, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Because they were protected based on a misunderstanding and the protection serves to impede (admittedly fairly rare) edits to the documentation of Template:Portal and Module:Portal for no legitimate purpose. The original RFPP request would likely have been declined if you had understood what doc pages were used for, so why are you arguing for a permanent change in protection status resulting from your own temporary confusion? * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:29, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Sure, doesn't matter. El_C 17:32, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Oh, sorry, I thought they were transcluded-protected at that level. I can't read, or pay attention, it seems. Again, sorry about that. Jeez. El_C 17:36, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Pppery, [13] should fix this for good I think? (as by their own admission El C is bound to forget all about it again) — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 17:56, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

List of converts to Islam from Hinduism

I obviously haven't looked at the whole list, but the entries I *have* looked at that were removed look well sourced. I think you may have have unwittingly backed up a religious warrior there. Black Kite (talk) 18:32, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

I haven't backed anybody, unwittingly or otherwise. That 30K addition was added and removed multiple times since its original insertion back in April. If you think there's good reasons to over-ride m:Wrong version in this instance, feel free to do so. I have no objection as I know next to nothing about the contested content in question, nor will I have time to investigate this further any time soon, I'm afraid. El_C 19:20, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

No, I wasn't suggesting you had; however, it does appear that much of the removed material is sourced, and is being removed for ideological reasons. I have moved the original list (minus some obviously poor entries) to my userspace and invited the editors concerned to edit it until it is stable. Black Kite (talk) 09:18, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Lithuania–Taiwan relations — Comments re the IP user involved

The IP user involved in the dispute at the article Lithuania–Taiwan relations, which you've recently temporarily protected, is actually in trouble for numerous offences, not just relating to that article. In fact, they probably should have already been blocked days ago for other reasons, but they've been able to get away with even further wrongdoings due to a lack of attention from other administrators (the only administrator who has been commenting on my case for a while has been David Gerard). David Gerard has already temporarily protected the article China–Lithuania relations from the same IP user (it's a different IP address but the user has been IP-hopping; Wikipedia:Sock). A case at ANI has already been opened up by me in order to address a personal attack that this IP user has thrown out at me prior to the bulk of their disruptive editing. The user is guilty of:

1. throwing out undeserved personal attacks
2. on the same thread; unilaterally escalating disputes from content-based into conduct-based
3. restoring personal attacks that have been removed
4. knowingly citing a deprecated source
5. removing sourced content on multiple occasions
6. vandalising articles intentionally
7. vandalising talk pages whether intentionally or unintentionally
8. bludgeoning and spamming talk pages and articles
9. adding biased, non-neutral, original research, and undue-weight content to articles
10. operating multiple accounts with the intention to deceive
11. behaving generally disruptively and derailing several talk pages
12. behaving generally in bad faith
13. immediately assuming the bad faith of other users and refusing to negotiate with them
14. citing past dirt against other users in order to attack them in the present (including against both me and David Gerard)
15. throwing out racist attacks and other insults to groups of people
16. using edit summaries to gossip rather than to detail their actual edit changes
17. using talk pages as a forum to gossip rather than to discuss improvements to the articles
18. edit-warring (I forgot this one)
19. pushing conspiracy theories (I also forgot this one)
20. citing sources that don't actually back up their claims (this is another minor one that I forgot)
21. adding unsourced information to articles and edit-warring in reaction to it being removed (this occurred before they started citing sources, albeit inappropriate sources)
22. citing opinions as facts (this is a minor one... and this is the last wrongdoing that I'll amend to the list at this point in time)
23. etc.

— Jargo Nautilus (talk) 06:32, 12 December 2021 (UTC)