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For full disclosure, I will note that this issue came to my attention through Owen Jones posting about this on his X account. [[User:Vladimir.copic|Vladimir.copic]] ([[User talk:Vladimir.copic|talk]]) 00:28, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
For full disclosure, I will note that this issue came to my attention through Owen Jones posting about this on his X account. [[User:Vladimir.copic|Vladimir.copic]] ([[User talk:Vladimir.copic|talk]]) 00:28, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

:What date was his Tweet? what did he say? [[User:CanterburyUK|CanterburyUK]] ([[User talk:CanterburyUK|talk]]) 13:17, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

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    Marcelus

    No action, the matter is a content dispute and no restrictions were violated. The parties are advised to use dispute resolution if discussion cannot lead to agreement. Seraphimblade Talk to me 16:34, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

    Request concerning Marcelus

    User who is submitting this request for enforcement
    Ed1974LT (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 12:37, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    User against whom enforcement is requested
    Marcelus (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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    Sanction or remedy to be enforced
    Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Eastern Europe
    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
    1. 2 January 2024 (nonconsensual removal-reverting of content)
    Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any
    1. blocking history for edit warring and violating 1RR restriction in Eastern Europe topic area
    2. 27 September 2023 (0RR restriction in Eastern Europe topic area)
    3. 29 November 2023 (1RR restriction in Eastern Europe topic area)
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    Additional comments by editor filing complaint

    Hello, I noticed that last year User:Marcelus was sanctioned with a 0RR restriction in Eastern Europe topic area and was previously blocked for edit warring and violating 1RR restriction. On 29 November 2023 Marcelus successfully appealed his 0RR restriction and 1RR restriction was again applied to him. What is concerning is that factually Marcelus with his 2 January 2024 edit arbitrarily completely reverted content which was fairly recently added by another user with 8 November 2023 edit in a contentious topics procedure article (Eastern Europe area). It is noteworthy that no consensus was reached to edit or remove this content in talk page discussion (where Marcelus and I participated), but by ignoring this Marcelus still made this non-consensual edit (revert) despite his history of disruptive reverting and multiple sanctioning for that in Eastern Europe topic area. I think such editing style by Marcelus can be disruptive in this contentious topic area, especially knowing his editing history and multiple sanctions for reverting other users content in this topic area. I believe that user with such sanctioning history should willingly seek consensus and not edit (revert) discussed content arbitrarily how he personally want.--Ed1974LT (talk) 13:14, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

    https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AMarcelus&diff=1194145114&oldid=1191571124

    Discussion concerning Marcelus

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    Statement by Marcelus

    8 Nov edit is WP:SYNTH. The source referenced ([1]) mentions nothing about Báthory's "inauguration" as Grand Duke, instead it mentions that the four GDL senators wanted a separate act of inauguration during the negotiations before the conclusion of the Union of Lublin (1569 vs 1580). So the conclusion that the Báthory's ceremony of May 29, 1580 coincided with these attempts is OR. No source connects these two facts or make such implication.

    Comment: In general, the very idea that there was a separate inauguration of the Grand Duke in 1580 in Vilnius is WP:FRINGE. It is actually only mentioned on the website of the Vilnius palace in its description of the exhibition of the jewels of the royal treasury at Wawel Castle in Kraków ([2]]). If historians actually believed that this happened it would be an extremely important event, which would be mentioned in every book on the history of Poland, Lithuania or the Republic. In fact, what took place then was the ceremonial handing over of the papal blessed sword and hat, which had traditionally been given to basically every ruler of Poland, to Stephen Báthory going to war with Moscow. Antemurale Christianitatis etc. And the sword itself was given through the efforts of Polish senator Paweł Uchański and not the Lithuanian lords.Marcelus (talk) 13:13, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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    Result concerning Marcelus

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    • Ed1974LT, your current statement only shows Marcelus making one edit (which probably could fairly be classed as a revert), but that does not violate 1RR. Were there any other instances of edit warring? If that's all that happened, I'm inclined to close this with no action as a content dispute. Seraphimblade Talk to me 15:56, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • I agree this should be closed with no action. This is a normal content dispute where one editor disagrees with how to improve an article. This issue is already being discussed at the article's talk page and there was consensus among a small number of editors to make that change. Since Ed1974LT disagrees with the change, they should use our normal dispute resolution tools. Isabelle Belato 🏳‍🌈 17:35, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    GalantFan

    GalantFan is topic banned indefinitely from gender-related disputes or controversies and people associated with them, broadly construed. Seraphimblade Talk to me 23:41, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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    Request concerning GalantFan

    User who is submitting this request for enforcement
    Callitropsis (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 22:35, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    User against whom enforcement is requested
    GalantFan (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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    Sanction or remedy to be enforced
    Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gender and sexuality#Contentious topics designation
    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
    1. 19:03, 3 January 2024 (UTC): Removing negative sourced content from Men Going Their Own Way and replacing it with positive, unsourced content
    2. 21:53, 3 January 2024 (UTC), 22:06, 3 January 2024 (UTC): More unsourced changes to the article's lead without consensus on the talk page
    3. 23:35, 3 January 2024 (UTC), 20:50, 6 January 2024 (UTC): Repeatedly changing "members" to "supporters" on Men Going Their Own Way
    4. 17:39, 7 January 2024 (UTC), 17:48, 7 January 2024 (UTC), 17:59, 7 January 2024 (UTC), 18:08, 7 January 2024 (UTC): Edit warring; was p-blocked shortly afterward
    5. Talk:Men Going Their Own Way#MGTOW communities? Members?: I know this isn't a diff, but GalantFan's comments throughout the discussion illustrate a pattern of bludgeoning and WP:NOTFORUM violations.
    6. 19:35, 7 January 2024 (UTC): Removing a comment by another editor and starting a new section to complain that the article is non-neutral and needs more sources without suggesting specific changes
    7. 20:31, 7 January 2024 (UTC), 21:23, 7 January 2024 (UTC), 21:41, 7 January 2024 (UTC): Edit warring to reinstate the comment added in the previous diff that was repeatedly removed for violating WP:NOTFORUM
    8. 21:54, 7 January 2024 (UTC): Using the talk page to complain about other editors
    Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any
    1. 11:17, 5 December 2022 (UTC): Blocked for a week by Tamzin for disruptive editing related to this ANI thread. Talk page access was later revoked for continued battleground conduct while blocked.
    2. 18:12, 7 January 2024 (UTC): Partially blocked from Men Going Their Own Way for a week by ScottishFinnishRadish


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    Contentious topics alert at 00:01, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

    Additional comments by editor filing complaint

    A pretty clear-cut case of battleground conduct. I didn't take a hard look into their previous edits beyond a glance at the ANI thread that resulted in their first block. It should be noted that the editor who started that thread was an abusive sockpuppeteer, which may be a mitigating factor. Callitropsis🌲[talk · contribs] 22:35, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @Sangdeboeuf: Fixed, thanks. I also agree that we can AGF that the removal of another editor's comment was unintentional. Callitropsis🌲[talk · contribs] 06:43, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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    Discussion concerning GalantFan

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    Statement by GalantFan

    1. 1 No I did not add any unsourced content. I summarized content from the history and ideology subsections in the lede.

    Other editors tell me to discuss the article on the talk page and then REPEATEDLY delete my discussions of the article on the talk page.

    They tell me to explain why it needs to be changed and then delete my explanation of why.

    They explain that consensus needs to be reached and then tell me why they ignore everyone who disagrees with them.

    They alter the POV of the article and then complain when parts of the *original* POV are restored. GalantFan (talk) 22:58, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Callitropsis also deleted another editors comments about the article after Sangdeboeuf also deleted another editors comments about the article. DIFF

    Previously it was proven that editor GreenCows was using multiple sock puppets to create a false impression of consensus on hundreds of articles and to camouflage hundreds of instances of white washing and POV edits. GalantFan (talk) 23:14, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Statement by (username)

    Statement by Sangdeboeuf

    It's true that GalantFan's behavior has been obnoxious overall, displaying a repeated failure or refusal to listen to what others are saying. But I think the removal of Writ Keeper's comment (#6 above) was probably a simple edit conflict; as GF indicated on their user talk page. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 05:46, 8 January 2024 (UTC) edited 06:07, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @Callitropsis: a bunch of the links in the evidence section point to the wrong diffs, usually the ones immediately before the edits in question, FYI. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 05:59, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Looking over the talk page history, I was probably too quick to remove several off-topic posts by GalantFan, which seems to have encouraged them to dig in their heels in response to a perceived attack instead of listening. I should have followed WP:TALKO and used {{collapse}} instead of removing posts outright. I'll try to be better about that in the future. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 17:55, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Result concerning GalantFan

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    • As an administrative note, this editor was notified regarding the CT area on 4 January ([3]), so we can only take AE action related to what they did after this time. There are some diffs in the report which are indeed after the notice, so I will take a look at those to determine whether action is required for those. Seraphimblade Talk to me 01:13, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      FYI WP:CTOP says "Edits made before an editor was aware of a contentious topic designation may still be considered as part of a pattern of behavior in future enforcement processes if those processes primarily concern post-awareness conduct." Galobtter (talk) 04:26, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      Oh, absolutely, pre-warning behavior can (and should) be considered. But there still must be a violation of some kind after it to apply CT sanctions. I think there is here, but I'm still going through the body of it. Seraphimblade Talk to me 07:27, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      Given the edit warring and other misbehavior here, I think I would indefinitely topic ban GalantFan from the subject of men's rights movements. They can then, from there, either demonstrate that they can learn to do better, or go on to harsher sanctions. Seraphimblade Talk to me 17:59, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • I've been considering a block because of their PAs on their own talk page. Calling editors dishonest, also this:"Regarding "consensus isn't a head count". Of course not. Consensus obviously means whoever can camp on the article the longest and delete everything that anybody else writes. Then you lied about me making unsourced edits when all I did is use the lede to summarize parts of the ideology and history. GalantFan (talk) 9:23 am, Today (UTC+0)" Doug Weller talk 11:16, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Note: The Radish has blocked GalantFan from MGTOW for a week for edit warring. I would not object to further sanctioning for incivility, Doug. Bishonen | tålk 12:18, 8 January 2024 (UTC).[reply]
      I don't object to any further blocks for incivility or general battleground editing. I've been pretty under the weather and medicated so I didn't want to do anything requiring too much unclouded judgement. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:04, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      @ScottishFinnishRadish All things considered, I now think a topic ban from men’s rights movements is the best solution which will with all the issues. Doug Weller talk 19:20, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      I agree with Seraphimblade and Doug Weller about topic banning GalantFan, except that it might be difficult to define "men's rights movements" unambiguously. How about a topic ban from all articles in Category:Manosphere (and their talkpages)? Of course any attempt to change the categorisation in order to to allow editing of an article would be disallowed. Feel better, Radish! Bishonen | tålk 22:03, 9 January 2024 (UTC).[reply]
      I think we've tried category based topic bans before, and I don't think with much success. It lets people keep nipping right around the edges. With the normal "broadly construed" topic ban, the responsibility is on the restricted editor to stay well clear. Seraphimblade Talk to me 21:02, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      Of course a gender related ban would cover it all. Doug Weller talk 21:48, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      Good idea, Doug. Since Gender and sexuality is already a designated contentious topic (which the user has been alerted to), do you guys think we should t-ban from that? Or more narrowly? Bishonen | tålk 22:05, 10 January 2024 (UTC).[reply]
      I just reviewed their edits, and I think the full GENSEX topic ban is fine, since it's not a topic they normally edit. Easier to go with the standard rather than something narrower with uncertainty around the edges. I also think, after reviewing their edits, we'll end up back here if they end up editing any other contentious topic. They have a history of this style of battleground editing on many of the articles and topics they've been involved with. Also, thanks for the well wishes, Bishonen. Feeling mostly better now. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 22:24, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      Sounds fine to me. Unless there's any objections within the next day or so, will close as such. Seraphimblade Talk to me 22:39, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    CanterburyUK

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    Request concerning CanterburyUK

    User who is submitting this request for enforcement
    Vladimir.copic (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 00:28, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    User against whom enforcement is requested
    CanterburyUK (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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    Sanction or remedy to be enforced

    Wikipedia:Arbitration/Index/Palestine-Israel articles

    Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Editing of Biographies of Living Persons

    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
    1. 18 December 2023 Inclusion of information regarding A-I conflict in a BLP article. Information was sourced to primary sources, WP:DAILYEXPRESS and opinion pieces and some direct quotations are not followed by citations. This seems to be pushing a certain POV regarding Jones. I reverted these edits.
    2. 8 January 2024 Inserting information on the same topic regarding A-I conflict in a BLP article. Again the information is primarily cited to opinion pieces as well as primary sources and Wikipedia. Quotations are lengthy and some are without citation. There is a section about the 7/10 Hamas attack which is cited to sources which do not mention Jones at all. I reverted this.
    3. 9 January 2024 Reinsertion of above information.
    4. 9 January 2024 To their credit they did open a talk page discussion about this.
    5. 9 January 2024 Added information about Owen Jones and the A-I conflict to a different BLP article. There does not seem to be a DUE case for this as it is cited to a primary source and an opinion piece by the subject of the article. I have now reverted this.
    Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any
    1. 28 January 2023 Indefinitely blocked from Jordan Peterson and Talk:Jordan Peterson
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    Additional comments by editor filing complaint

    This editor seems intent on adding information about a Youtube video concerning the current war in Gaza by journalist Owen Jones and the reaction to it in media. The information they are including is excessively long, poorly sourced, heavily reliant on opinion pieces and direct quotations (many of which are not cited). There is also the inclusion of information unrelated to the video which appears to try to push a certain POV. Given the editor is blocked from Jordan Peterson, they appear to have prior issues editing BLP issues. They were also recently warned by an editor about edit warring at Konstantin Kisin. The editor appears to struggle with placing and using citations and identifying appropriate sources for BLP articles. I'm not advocating for any specific remedy, but I do not want to catch a block for reverting or similar in the A-I conflict area so I would appreciate an admin's eyes on it.

    For full disclosure, I will note that this issue came to my attention through Owen Jones posting about this on his X account. Vladimir.copic (talk) 00:28, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    What date was his Tweet? what did he say? CanterburyUK (talk) 13:17, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

    [4]

    Discussion concerning CanterburyUK

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    Statement by CanterburyUK

    Statement by (username)

    Result concerning CanterburyUK

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    • I'm very concerned with what I'm seeing with BLP editing, especially with the prior ban from Jordan Peterson. At this point, I think I would topic ban from both BLPs and the ARBPIA area, but when someone needs to be repeatedly restricted, that also leads to the question of whether they ought to continue editing at all, as often restrictions just result in moving the disruptive behavior around. CanterburyUK, if you have anything to say in regards to that, now would be the time. Seraphimblade Talk to me 22:45, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      As it doesn't seem CanterburyUK is going to have anything to say here, I think we need to figure out what to do given that. Seraphimblade Talk to me 11:23, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • (edit conflict) This certainly falls below the care I like to see when editing BLPs, especially at the intersection with another contentious topic. My concern is, based on their behavior at Jordan Peterson, they will be unwilling to take the advice of more knowledgeable editors, and create enormous time sinks over plainly unsuitable content. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 22:48, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      Seraphimblade, how do you feel about a topic ban on any BLP edit also covered by another CTOP? Or just a BLP topic ban? ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:50, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Given that CanterburyUK has been editing since 2008, the additions to the Owen Jones article are not only a red flag from a NPOV perspective, but also regarding editing competence. How can an editor of 15 years still not be aware of WP:UNDUE (this edit makes over 45% of the Jones article about his views on the 7 October attack), MOS:DATE and basic matters such as how to place inline citations? Number 57 23:07, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      15 years, but only 655 edits in that time. In terms of knowing the basics, someone who makes an edit per week for 15 years will often know less than someone who's been editing actively for 5 days. That's not to say that action isn't needed here; just that we shouldn't be surprised by things like issues with inline citations and date-formatting. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe|she) 23:41, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]