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Overall this request is nothing more than the latest attempt to get rid of another good user who is a headache for the POV pushers. [[Special:Contributions/223.225.246.200|223.225.246.200]] ([[User talk:223.225.246.200|talk]]) 20:28, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
Overall this request is nothing more than the latest attempt to get rid of another good user who is a headache for the POV pushers. [[Special:Contributions/223.225.246.200|223.225.246.200]] ([[User talk:223.225.246.200|talk]]) 20:28, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

===Statement by NadirAli===
I'll have to agree with Dilpa here. The frequency with which these reports are getting filed show desperation that some of the mud flung will stick. Mar4d previously expressed the [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement&diff=prev&oldid=812569022 same concern] in another frivolous AE request, that time against me, about Kautilya3 desperately trying to get rid of editors with another frame of mind. Since this looks like KA$HMIR's first mistake I would advise to go easy on him. We can all rest in peace that Yunshui has confirmed that KA$HMIR was [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:KA$HMIR&diff=806068153&oldid=806034392 not] under any sanctions on their previous account. So a warning should suffice this time. As far as copyvio is concerned I am more concerned at the speed with which this is being used as a reason by not just KA$HMIR [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Exodus_of_Kashmiri_Hindus&action=history but several editors] to delete content which no one can check afterwards was really copyvio or not, especially when the users getting the diffs suppressed have themselves restored copyvio content.

Instead I call for a [[WP:BOOMERANG]]. The evidence Dilpa has shown has startled me. It is just not possible that stray IPs are able to link to old SPIs. There is a case here that Indian editors have taken to harass Kashmiri editors through these frivolous reports and when they fail they start to IP sock to frame these responsible users for sockpuppetry.

The messages left by these IPs are quite telling.

{{tq|KA$HMIR - about me - Am an old user (Owais Khurseed) :D I hope indians [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Faizan/Archive#12_May_2017 you have not forgotten me] am still doing edits for my friends TalhaZubair Butt. ha ha Indians can never catch me. #gayhind}}

{{tq|To Indians: [[User:KA$HMIR]] is me - ha ha - am doing edits for my friends Talha Zubair Butt a k a [[User:Towns Hill]]. Me and my friends has dozens of wikipedia. accounts cunning Indian Kautilya can never catch . HA H A HA Kashmir Banega Pakistan. I N S H A L L A H}}

The case of collaboration is quite strong, not least because of the different IP locations within India of the users messaging with the same motive. I just recently expressed my concern at how [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Violence_against_women_during_the_partition_of_India&diff=816420225&oldid=816420194 some editors] with no contributions to articles are suddenly arriving on the articles' talkpages as if they were requested by an invisible hand. This is part of a more extensive phenomenon of a particular set of users who participate in the same SPI, ANI and AE requests concerning editors in the India-Pakistan topic area and support each other on the talkpages on articles in the India-Pakistan project.

I call for a warning to [[user:KA$HMIR]] to be more careful in future and a full investigation of the accounts frequently filing such bad faith reports and their links to these malicious IPs.--[[User:NadirAli|NadirAli نادر علی]] ([[User talk:NadirAli|talk]]) 07:01, 22 December 2017 (UTC)


===Result concerning KA$HMIR===
===Result concerning KA$HMIR===

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    KA$HMIR

    This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.
    Requests may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator.

    Request concerning KA$HMIR

    User who is submitting this request for enforcement
    MBlaze Lightning (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 02:54, 21 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    User against whom enforcement is requested
    KA$HMIR (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

    Search CT alerts: in user talk history • in system log

    Sanction or remedy to be enforced
    Wikipedia:Arbitration enforcement log#India-Pakistan_2: A second revert without discussion restriction. A second revert of any edit, however minor, that is done without an explanation on the talk page will lead to an immediate block.
    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
    1. 17:11, 19 December 2017 1st revert
    2. 17:19, 19 December 2017 2nd revert
    3. 17:26, 19 December 2017 3rd revert
    Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any
    1. Blocked indefinitely on 19 October 2017 by Alex Shih (talk · contribs) for not disclosing his "old account". Still hasn't declared it publicly presumably to avoid scrutiny.
    If discretionary sanctions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts)
    Additional comments by editor filing complaint

    This is a clear violation of the editing sanctions placed on this page by this WP:SPA. And I'd add that this is not the first time that this guy has violated those sanctions.[2][3]MBL Talk 02:54, 21 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

    Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

    [4]


    Discussion concerning KA$HMIR

    Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator.
    Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.

    Statement by (KA$HMIR)

    Well I will make my simple case here but will abide by whatever is the board's final decision, whatever it will be, though this looks like a bad faith report. As far as I know regentspark [removed] the 1RR restriction from all Kashmir Conflict articles, if this is indeed one of them. Besides, there is an exemption from 3RR to remove content which is copyright and or added by blocked users, as anyone can see, I consistently removed the page's content on the basis that it has clear copyright violations which other users Josephus and Danish agree with me on. There is also a talkpage discussion ongoing and I am still compiling the evidence for those users who had requested it. Also a lot, if not most, of the article's content was written by a blocked sockmaster TylerDurden, who was recently caught socking again.

    • Apologies if I have unwittingly violated any sanction. Will be extra careful in future. KA$HMIR (talk) 07:50, 21 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

    Statement by WBG

    His being a SPA and Alex's block are not much of a problem at their respective individual merits. Functionary Yunshui knows his alt-accs and AFAIK, the use of such accounts are permitted by our legit-socks criterion.Obviously, cases of 3RR and/or violation of ArbCom decisions needs to be looked at, though! Winged BladesGodric 04:09, 21 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

    Statement by power~enwiki

    A link to the copyvio tool: [5]. The top two matches are caused by properly-cited blockquotes. I don't see anything that justifies blanking the entire article. power~enwiki (π, ν) 04:21, 21 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

    Statement by Capitals00

    But problem remains that KA$HMIR is edit warring against consensus on multiple articles and often engaged in WP:BLUDGEONING. At least 3 articles (Violence against women during the partition of India, 1947 Poonch Rebellion, Kashmir conflict) have been provided extended protection because of his edit warring. Capitals00 (talk) 16:15, 21 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

    Statement by Kautilya3

    The edit warring that occurred at the 1947 Poonch Rebellion is the most shocking I have seen in my three years of editing, not only for the spuriousness of the rationale but also the bombast with which it was carried out. Note the edit summaries:

    • There were massive copyright violations in the article's old version. Admins please suppress [6]
    • stop restoring copyvio else it could lead to you getting a block [7]
    • whole article is copied from the sources used [8]

    Yet, when I quizzed it on the talk page, no evidence was forthcoming. KA$HMIR was certainly aware of the edit restrictions placed on Kashmir conflict articles because RegentsPark recently reminded every one of their existence. This is the apex of all the tendentiousness that the user has been displaying ever since he came on board. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 17:28, 21 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

    Let us also note the obvious Tag teaming that has occurred in this edit war. These are the first ever edits by any of these editors on this page. Pure coincidence? But such coincidences are now occurring with increasing frequency all over the India-Pakistan space: Talk:Violence against women during the Partition of India, Talk:Annexation of Junagadh etc. At Talk:Kashmir conflict, a group of editors have repeated each other's RfC comments [9]. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 01:02, 22 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

    Statement by User:EdJohnston

    For clarity, the current restrictions in effect for this article (from WP:DSLOG) appear to be:

    Kashmir conflict and all articles related to the India-Pakistan conflict over Kashmir (initially posted here. Modified Sept 2016: 1RR restriction removed and a first revert does not need to be explained on the talk page.):

    • A 1 RR restriction. Any attempt, even if made in good faith, to do more than one revert in a 24 hour period will lead to an immediate block.
    • A second revert without discussion restriction. A second revert of any edit, however minor, that is done without an explanation on the talk page will lead to an immediate block.
    • A civility restriction. Any suggestion that any editor is not editing in good faith will lead to an immediate block.
    • An ethnicity claim restriction Any attempt to bring the purported or deduced or imagined ethnic or nationality identities of any users will lead to an immediate block. This includes an editor's own stated ethnic identity or nationality. Wikipedia uses reliable sources and the weighting of those sources to decide what to include, what not to include, and how the content should be stated in an article. Please stick to arguments based on those factors.
      --regentspark (comment) 13:10, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

    Quoted from DSLOG by EdJohnston (talk) 18:20, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

    Statement by Dilpa kaur

    Looks like a bad faith report by a user who has been obsessed with maligning this user through hook or crook. I guess this request is another frustrated attempt after previous failures to rid the encyclopedia of this constructive editor. Previously MBlaze Lightning joyously joined in a ridiculous SPI against KA$HMIR, only to be confronted with the establishment of KA$HMIR's innocence. He also brought him up in a spurious ANI case which was based on such weak evidence (such as MBlaze' Lightnings mixup of my IP address and Danish Mehraj's) that even MBlaze Lightning had to withdraw it. The encyclopedia has also been recently hit by malicious IPs [10] [11], located in different Indian cities,[12] [13] looking to malign this user as a sockpuppet (the different locations of these obvious IP socks suggest collaboration and their knowledge of old SPIs indicate that these are older users IP socking to harass without getting their accounts sanctioned). I suspect a link between these reports and the malicious IPs who are obviously not new strays but old Indian editors who have a beef with KA$HMIR and Owais Khursheed and are IP socking to harass the Kashmiri editors.

    Overall this request is nothing more than the latest attempt to get rid of another good user who is a headache for the POV pushers. 223.225.246.200 (talk) 20:28, 21 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

    Statement by NadirAli

    I'll have to agree with Dilpa here. The frequency with which these reports are getting filed show desperation that some of the mud flung will stick. Mar4d previously expressed the same concern in another frivolous AE request, that time against me, about Kautilya3 desperately trying to get rid of editors with another frame of mind. Since this looks like KA$HMIR's first mistake I would advise to go easy on him. We can all rest in peace that Yunshui has confirmed that KA$HMIR was not under any sanctions on their previous account. So a warning should suffice this time. As far as copyvio is concerned I am more concerned at the speed with which this is being used as a reason by not just KA$HMIR but several editors to delete content which no one can check afterwards was really copyvio or not, especially when the users getting the diffs suppressed have themselves restored copyvio content.

    Instead I call for a WP:BOOMERANG. The evidence Dilpa has shown has startled me. It is just not possible that stray IPs are able to link to old SPIs. There is a case here that Indian editors have taken to harass Kashmiri editors through these frivolous reports and when they fail they start to IP sock to frame these responsible users for sockpuppetry.

    The messages left by these IPs are quite telling.

    KA$HMIR - about me - Am an old user (Owais Khurseed) :D I hope indians you have not forgotten me am still doing edits for my friends TalhaZubair Butt. ha ha Indians can never catch me. #gayhind

    To Indians: User:KA$HMIR is me - ha ha - am doing edits for my friends Talha Zubair Butt a k a User:Towns Hill. Me and my friends has dozens of wikipedia. accounts cunning Indian Kautilya can never catch . HA H A HA Kashmir Banega Pakistan. I N S H A L L A H

    The case of collaboration is quite strong, not least because of the different IP locations within India of the users messaging with the same motive. I just recently expressed my concern at how some editors with no contributions to articles are suddenly arriving on the articles' talkpages as if they were requested by an invisible hand. This is part of a more extensive phenomenon of a particular set of users who participate in the same SPI, ANI and AE requests concerning editors in the India-Pakistan topic area and support each other on the talkpages on articles in the India-Pakistan project.

    I call for a warning to user:KA$HMIR to be more careful in future and a full investigation of the accounts frequently filing such bad faith reports and their links to these malicious IPs.--NadirAli نادر علی (talk) 07:01, 22 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

    Result concerning KA$HMIR

    This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.
    • Looking over the evidence provided by MBlaze Lightning, I see that KA$HMIR was repeatedly asked for evidence of the copyvio but failed to provide it. I suggest they provide specific evidence above otherwise these will be viewed as bad faith deletions of sourced material and a violation of the 2RR without a talk page post sanction placed on these articles. If there is evidence forthcoming, then a warning to be more careful in the future is probably all that is required.--regentspark (comment) 16:35, 21 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

    Block appeal from 68.132.68.52

    User unblocked. Sandstein 16:39, 21 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

    I didn't do anything wrong. With regards to the edit to Dismissal of James Comey, I stated Comey's dismissal is alleged to have constituted obstruction of justice in the lead, which is already stated in the article. In pertinent part, the article already reads as follows: "In light of the dismissal, the memo, and Comey's testimony to the Senate Intelligence Committee in June 2017, several media figures, political opponents and legal scholars said that Trump's acts could be construed as obstruction of justice, while others disagreed.[19][20][21][22]" Hence, my edit adding material already in the article to another part of it is not a blockable offense. I will also note that "obstruction of justice' is in the article 46 times; it was certainly not inappropriate to add it to the lead, given how heavily it figures in the article. The accusation that my edit was "tendentious" is wrong; I was summarizing article content, which is what a lead does. With regards to my edit to Trump-Russia investigations stating that members of Trump's campaign were convicted due to their meetings with Russians, (even though this was not cited as the reason for the block, for the sake of completeness I'll discuss it) please note that this, too, is already repeatedly stated in the article: "On October 5, 2017, Papadopoulos pleaded guilty in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia to making false statements to FBI agents relating to contacts he had with agents of the Russian government while working for the Trump campaign" Also, see Michael Flynn for further information.

    I don't think the admin who reviewed my edits actually took the time to look at them, and made a knee-jerk block without making the effort to see if what I said was A) True, B) already in the article. What I stated were items already in the relevant article that I merely added to the lead. Neither of these edits were worthy of a block. The blocking administrator does not appear to have reviewed the article prior to blocking. Had he done so, he would have noticed that this is not undue, but accurately summarizes what the article is about. Blocking administrators have gotten insanely trigger happy and are blocking without taking any time to understand the edits or the article itself. How can you block without even knowing what's in an article first?

    Posted per the user's request, via the unblock template. SQLQuery me! 04:28, 21 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

    Statement by Drmies

    • I care much less about procedure than about trying to foster an editing environment in which we can produce an encyclopedia whose point of view is neutral. If you don't know by not that I am always amenable to community overview of my blocks, you should come over for cocktails and we'll talk. Given the history of that editor, the blocks that were issued and the reason for it, I figured that an escalation to one week was more than appropriate but, Sandstein, you may well be right about the paperwork. It's not a big deal to me anyway--if the user gets unblocked, they'll either tone it down, which is fine, or they'll continue in the same vein, in which case they'll get blocked again. Drmies (talk) 16:27, 21 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

    Result concerning 68.132.68.52

    This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.
    • Waiting for a comment by Drmies (talk · contribs). It appears the reason for the block is tendentious editing in the form of this edit. This is clearly not the best BLP edit ever in the history of Wikipedia, but I'd not have issued a one-week AE block solely because of it. It is also not clear to me based on which arbitration decision or remedy this block was made, and it does not seem to have been logged as an enforcement action. If this is not promptly explained, I'd be in favor of lifting the block as a procedurally flawed AE block. Sandstein 08:13, 21 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    • In view of Drmies's statement above, agreeing with an unblock, I'm unblocking the editor and closing this thread. Sandstein 16:38, 21 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    • I agree with Sandstein that the block was not procedurally correct. I'm wondering whether User:Drmies just got the wrong template? The user has never received any arbitration alert and so an AE block is out of process - and an arbitration enforcement block ought also to have been logged. This edit appears to imply that Drmies expects any admin to be able to overturn the block - so I'm wondering if this was intended to be a normal block for TE rather than an AE block? GoldenRing (talk) 10:57, 21 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]