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; User who is submitting this request for enforcement : {{userlinks|Excelse}} 17:49, 4 December 2018 (UTC) |
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First, [[User:Jytdog]] was, [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:Jytdog|among other incidents], [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Genetically_modified_organisms#Jytdog_topic_banned|topic banned]] in December 2015 by Arbcom: |
First, [[User:Jytdog]] was, [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:Jytdog|among other incidents], [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Genetically_modified_organisms#Jytdog_topic_banned|topic banned]] in December 2015 by Arbcom: |
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[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jytdog&diff=prev&oldid=871816286 Jytdog] has announced his retirement (after apparently yet another, unrelated to this case, instance of poor judgment), but I feel his past behavior still deserves some scrutiny. --[[User talk:Gwern |Gwern]] [[Special:Contributions/Gwern | (contribs)]] 17:17 4 December 2018 (GMT) |
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jytdog&diff=prev&oldid=871816286 Jytdog] has announced his retirement (after apparently yet another, unrelated to this case, instance of poor judgment), but I feel his past behavior still deserves some scrutiny. --[[User talk:Gwern |Gwern]] [[Special:Contributions/Gwern | (contribs)]] 17:17 4 December 2018 (GMT) |
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::Human cases of genetic modification I would view separately from the GMO topic. But at this point it is really mute. [[User:Doc James|<span style="color:#0000f1">'''Doc James'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Doc James|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Doc James|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Doc James|email]]) 17:35, 4 December 2018 (UTC) |
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יניב הורון
יניב הורון is warned that future attempts to game their topic ban, engaging in personal attacks, or any other form of disruption or failure to meet the behavioral norms of the English Wikipedia in any topic area, is likely to result in a lengthy block. TonyBallioni (talk) 17:02, 1 December 2018 (UTC) |
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning יניב הורון
Today I received an email from יניב הורון which consisted solely of a link to the Six-Day War article history, where there has recently been some disagreements between the usual suspects in this topic area. My interpretation of this is that due to their topic ban in this area, they were seeking some kind of assistance – i.e. trying to recruit me as a meatpuppet. After I responded on his talk page, it was reverted with the edit summary "That wasn't my intention, dear moser. But thanks for answering me in private." A moser is a term for a Jew who reports a fellow Jew to authority. This infers that יניב feels betrayed by someone who they had thought was on their side, which I see as further suggestion that they were hoping I would help them out in some way. And I'm not even Jewish.
Discussion concerning יניב הורוןStatements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by יניב הורוןI sent an email to Number57 because of his expertise in Israeli politicians' infoboxes and elections. Mordechai Gur, for example, is in the Six Day War infobox, but does not have his political career in his bio's infobox (MK, minister without portfolio, health minister, etc). As far as I understand, his political career is not ARBPIA related. However, I hit "SEND" prior to filling the content. I was going to explain myself to him but I was miffed by Number57's post on my talk page instead of asking me in private what do I want, or simply telling me he's not interested in having a conversation in private, hence my rash and impolite response. As far as the Jewish term "moser", I understand it was received the wrong way, but it's a general thing to say when someone takes something private and makes it public. In Israel that's something students say to one another on outing stuff to an instructor or a GF. In any case, I won't bother Number57 anymore, although a "no thank you" as email response would have been enough.--יניב הורון (Yaniv) (talk) 21:18, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
Statement by Sir JosephI think Sandstein raises a good point. The BAN applies to pages and articles, and it seems to me the page is pretty explicit on what it includes. If we also want emails to be included that should be up to the community perhaps to decide if that should be under the scope of a BAN. Sir Joseph (talk) 21:39, 29 November 2018 (UTC) Statement by Beyond My KenRegarding precedent, in this AE request I filed against Captain Occam the primary evidence I provided were e-mails sent to me by CO. The case ended with CO being indef blocked by TonyBallioni, but not as an AE enforcement action, as an individual admin action. Nevertheless, the discussions and statements in the case request may be pertinent here. Beyond My Ken (talk) 23:28, 29 November 2018 (UTC) Statement by NableezyYaniv has repeatedly skirted the boundaries of his topic ban. And yes, this looks like trying to get a proxy edit. But, his editing when it has actually been outside of the topic area hasnt been so bad to say that he should be indefinitely blocked. Tony, taking into account both the email and the response in the edit summary, with the response being the bigger thing imo, a NPA/CIV block and another stern reminder to stay away from the topic area would suffice. And honestly, I very much doubt an indefinite block will accomplish what you are hoping, I see that more likely leading to an alienated editor who comes back however he can. An outcome I rank as the worst. nableezy - 06:43, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
Tony, I actually do hold several things against Yaniv to be honest, I very much disliked his editing style when he was active in the topic area. It was my request that resulted in this current topic ban. But, each time Yaniv has been blocked or banned for something he has adjusted, at least ever so slightly, to not continue doing the same thing that resulted in his being blocked or banned. So my view is at the very least he has shown a willingness to attempt to correlate his actions with our policies when he suffers some consequence to breaking them. Now is that enough? Idk, nobody would ever give me admin rights here so it isnt something I really even have to think that much about. But I do think that if indefinitely blocked that breaks that progress, and I dont think that is in anybodys interest. Including my own, as somebody who both disagreed with his editing style and his actual edits for the most part. nableezy - 17:37, 30 November 2018 (UTC) Statement by IcewhizWP:TBAN clearly does not include private communication, such as e-mails, and regulating off-wiki conversation (dinner table as well?) is a slippery slope. Yaniv offered an explanation that he intended to send something else - and his explanation has some credibility in that sending an e-mail Statement by Zero0000As much as we'd like banned editors to stay out of the editing cycle completely, I agree with Sandstein that private emails don't violate the letter of a topic ban. So I think this is not actionable even though it was a clear violation in spirit. Zerotalk 11:25, 30 November 2018 (UTC) Statement by HuldraWhile I agree that contacting anyone off wiki is a borderline violation at best (hence, I would be willing to ignore that)...calling someone a moser is way beyond behaviour that Wikipedia should accept. Just to recap: the killer of Yitzhak Rabin "justified" his deed by the fact that West Bank rabbis had called Rabin a moser and a rodef (see eg ‘Killing a King’ Examines Assassination of Yitzhak Rabin, New York Times). And it is argued that that the law of the moser "is far more serious and deadly than the law of rodef. (link Haaretz) We don't accept that editors call other editors by the n−word (and it doesn't matter whether the target is Afro–American or not). Nor should we ever allow anyone to call another editor "a moser", Huldra (talk) 20:12, 30 November 2018 (UTC) Statement by JFGMethinks some editors should apply a healthy dose of skin-thickening lotion.[FBDB] But thanks for teaching me some Jewish slang. No violation, no action. — JFG talk 21:50, 30 November 2018 (UTC) Statement by (username)Result concerning יניב הורון
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Jytdog
This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.
Requests may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator.
Request concerning Jytdog
- User who is submitting this request for enforcement
- Excelse (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 17:49, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
- User against whom enforcement is requested
- Jytdog (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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- Sanction or remedy to be enforced
- Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Genetically_modified_organisms#Jytdog_topic_banned
- Jytdog violating GMO topic ban and harassing users
First, User:Jytdog was, other incidents, topic banned in December 2015 by Arbcom:
- "Jytdog is indefinitely topic-banned from all pages relating to genetically modified organisms and agricultural chemicals, broadly interpreted."
This lifetime ban appears to stand since I can find no information on the Arbcom page about an appeal or it being lifted.
Since then, he has repeatedly deleted content from He Jiankui, AfDed 'designer baby', edited Assisted reproductive technology/Mitochondrial replacement therapy/Human germline engineering/Gene therapy/Synthetic lethality/CRISPR/genetic engineering/Lulu and Nana - and that's in just the past week! (I have not tried to review all 3 years, but I suspect he has edited many other off-limits articles.)
These are clearly GMO-related articles, narrowly interpreted; for example, the FDA has regulatory power over human gene therapy and germline engineering (such as He Jiankui's CRISPR babies) precisely because the results are legally defined as GMOs, and the main application of CRISPR currently is making agricultural GMOs. 'Broadly interpreted', they are even more clearly GMO-related. In addition, someone who has earned a lifetime topic ban should go above and beyond in avoiding the behavior that resulted in the Arbcom case and strive to avoid even the appearance of an impropriety.
Jytdog's response was to deflect and redefine his topic ban as narrowly as possible, double down on his behavior, and dare me to take it here:
- "Please play the ball, not the man. My TBAN is on ag biotech, not this sort of thing...The locus of the case was ag biotech. I have been regularly editing human gene therapy and related topics and you are the first person to make drama over this. In any case, WP:AE is thataway. What you are doing here, is really inappropriate. I won't be responding to you further."
Second, Jytdog has engaged in unacceptable harassing behavior.
Jytdog and I have never interacted before and have no history, but when I criticized the justifications he made in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Designer baby (2nd nomination) of designer babies being 'sci fi' which don't exist and so not worthy of an article (pointing out the existence not just of He Jiankui's CRISPR babies but a long history of selection on optional traits, ongoing contemporary applied & research projects, and many imminent technologies widely expected in the future, all of which he appears to be ignorant of), his response was to look at my contributions and AfD not one but two of my articles, which I have worked on for years, on the grounds that they are too good for WP. His response?
- "I am sorry you feel that it is hostile."
This is an unacceptable way to respond to criticism, and it is especially unacceptable as it is done while flagrantly breaking a lifetime topic ban.
Jytdog has announced his retirement (after apparently yet another, unrelated to this case, instance of poor judgment), but I feel his past behavior still deserves some scrutiny. --Gwern (contribs) 17:17 4 December 2018 (GMT)
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