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Simple English Wikipedia

Would it be good to have a clear link to this wikipedia mentioning that it is for people who don't know English very well? Like this: "Another Wiki, called the Simple English Wikipedia, is for people who do not know English very well." Just an idea. I don't see any better place to put this than here --Chemicalinterest (talk) 13:43, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

It's at the top of the 'in other languages' sidebar, which seems enough to me. Modest Genius ^talk 15:50, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

The problem is that it isn't another language!People who don't know English would have a hard time finding it. --Chemicalinterest (talk) 18:31, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

I wouldn't say that they'd have a difficult time finding it: a user for whom the Simple English Wikipedia is likely to be useful will know the word 'languages' and its translation into the mother tongue; a quick look at the left-hand side shows a list of different languages (of which the user is likely to know at least one and therefore realise the function of said menu) and Simple English is at the top. Logical. 79.67.141.104 (talk) 19:58, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) If they can't even read the words "Simple English", they probably shouldn't be contributing there, either. But I do agree that it could be a bit more prominently placed, since it is so directly related to this Wikipedia. Kafziel ^{Complaint Department} 20:09, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

The link to simple isn't simply to recruit contributors: it's to advise readers as well. TFOWR 09:51, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

In fact recruiting contributors should be at best a minor consideration since it's generally accepted the main page is for readers not editors/contributors. Nil Einne (talk) 17:39, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

I don't see the distinction. Every reader is a potential contributor; that's the whole point. If you'd prefer, I could have said, "If they can't even read the words 'Simple English', they probably won't be able to get much out of what they read there." But, either way, what does any of that have to do with the topic at hand? We're discussing changing the appearance/location of the link, not what people will do after they follow it. Kafziel ^{Complaint Department} 17:49, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

You're the one who said it. And there is a distinction. We don't do things on the main page which are primary of interest to contributors, regardless of whether you think they are the same thing. It's a well accepted consensus, which from many discussions I've seen we don't have consensus to change (and I would definitely say 'they're the same thing is an argument that has been made before but never got much traction). There are plenty of people who have no desire to be contributors, regardless of whether they can be, and we have no desire to try and force them to be contributors, or force them to see things which will not interest them just because some people don't think there's a difference. Therefore the primary purpose for the main page is to show off things which may interest readers, things which are only of interest to contributors are generally minimised if shown at all. If someone is arguing to give more prominence to something yet that thing is likely to be of interest to contributors, that proposal usually dies quite quickly. It's an important point, and one that IMHO should always be repeated whenever there is the risk of confusion. Besides that, there are plenty of people who can use the simple English wikipedia (with some difficulty) but likely lack the level of written English that they could make meaningful contributions, even if they're probably not ones who can't read language or simple English. Therefore we shouldn't care too much about potential contributors to the simple English wikipedia, instead what we should consider is potential readers. In this particular case, I don't believe there is an issue but if there is one where potential contributors are unlikely to be fazed, but some potential readers may be, then I see no reason why we should ignore the readers, who should be our focus simply because the potential contributors are unlikely to have any issue. Nil Einne (talk) 10:27, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

You seem to be really hung up on this "contributors" thing. It has nothing to do with any of the points anyone is making. A more prominent link to the Simple English Wikipedia would benefit readers just as much as editors; readers who have difficulty understanding this wiki might have better luck understanding that one, so it might be good to help them find it. That's all anyone is saying. Kafziel ^{Complaint Department} 19:37, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

It's not actually obvious what the "Simple English" link goes to; it actually surprised me when I clicked on it for the first time and I am a native speaker! Also, people are unlikely to search for a link to such a project if they don't know that the project exists already. It's rather less obvious than, e.g., the link for "French" - somebody who wants to look around for the French wikipedia may spot it on the sidebar or may scroll down to the links at the bottom, but will find what they're looking for. Readers for whom the Simple English wikipedia would be preferable are not going to do an equivalent search unless they know that the project exists in the first place. As Chemicalinterest says, it isn't just like the other languages - it is a very special case. TheGrappler (talk) 18:53, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Simple English does not need special treatment, god knows what is said on there and on some of the other language wikipedias. People should be encouraged to stay here and use this wikipedia, it is superior to all others. BritishWatcher (talk) 19:54, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

For people with limited command of English, Simple is intended to be a more appropriate place for them (I don't know if that works in practice but it's why Simple exists). And Simple is different to all the other wikipedias since it is actually written in the same language as this one. That doesn't necessarily mean it needs special treatment, but it is unique and I'm not sure burying it with the foreign languages helps anybody to find it. TheGrappler (talk) 15:31, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Exactly. Kafziel ^{Complaint Department} 18:22, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

But what is to be done? Is there a non-disruptive way to indicate the "Simple" link to readers a little more clearly, so that (a) they know it exists in the first place and (b) they can actually click on it? TheGrappler (talk) 23:36, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Well, there's a lot of blank space in the banner at the top, next to the whole "Welcome to Wikipedia" spiel. I have no doubt that technical-minded people will now tell me why that space has to remain blank, but that would be my first choice. Kind of the ultimate disambiguation hatnote. "'English Wikipedia' redirects here. Less advanced English speakers may prefer the Simple English version." :D Kafziel ^{Complaint Department} 00:20, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Happy to oblige : The whitespace is there as a spacer that can expand or contract, depending on how large your window size is. Otherwise the header could break the page and require horizontal scrolling. This is especially important because, since Wikipedia is reference material, it's perfectly natural to browse from portable devices with weird screen dimensions, or from a window that you've made smaller so you can have multiple windows visible at once. (Not to mention people with eyesight problems who use their browser's "zoom" function.) Adding something to the right of the "Welcome to Wikipedia" bit would break that functionality. APL (talk) 00:58, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

So how come the banner can expand and contract, but text within that same space can't? Couldn't you could just have the size of the Simple English notice tied directly to the size of the white space? Kafziel ^{Complaint Department} 02:12, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Picture of DYK

I wonder why the DYK picture of the Konzerthaus Dortmund doesn't show in the article Theater Dortmund? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:16, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

I can't see why it wasn't displaying properly. It seemed to be there at a microscopic size since there was something to click to get to the image page. I've forced it to display at a 250px size for now. It might be a temporary glitch... Bencherlite^Talk 10:45, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:44, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Possible changes to ITN

There's an ongoing discussion here regarding possible changes to WP:ITN and WP:ITNC. ~DC _{Let's Vent} 18:57, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

800m

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 – Moved to Wikipedia:Main Page/Errors meshach (talk) 21:36, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

This may be the wrong place for this comment but if it is, it is. I just thought I'd say that use of the word 'clocking' in the news story about the 800m seems to me rather casual and not up to the standards you would expect of a serious web page like Wikipedia. 92.0.157.58 (talk) 19:10, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

But don't just remove the time, that's the whole point of this bit. Try "...with a time of 1:41.09 at the ISTAF...." Homunq (talk) 20:39, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

As is noted above Wikipedia:Main_Page/Errors would be the correct place for the comment and the reply. I have copied the text to the appropriate place. meshach (talk) 21:34, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

A Rating System

I was at the branch of Wikipedia Wikibooks, and I noticed they now have a rating system for feedback and looking into the page a little more, and I was thinking, would the main Wikipedia be helped by this too? I mean, it's nowhere near necissary but it would be something to be looked at and voted on, and by Wikipedia users only. So, what do you guys think?--Mr. High School Student 22:17, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

NOTE: The feature that User: Mr. High school student is referring to is the Reader Feedback extension. Zzyzx11 (talk) 02:54, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

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