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Thanks for the revert. I was using the visual editor. No idea why it added the random code! MisterShiney 09:46, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

It seems to have grabbed half of the infobox and placed it randomly in the middle of the article. Very peculiar. --AussieLegend () 22:54, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

List of Copper episodes

AL, would you mind taking a look and see why the edit summaries aren't showing on the article above? I just moved the episodes to their own article, which is overdue, but I can't figure why the summaries don't display -- this exceeds my know-how. Thanks!! --Drmargi (talk) 00:06, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

N'mind. False alarm. I found a command I didn't recognize, removed it, and problem solved. Sorry to be a bother. Hope you're staying warm down under; although I imagine your winters are like ours in LA, rather balmy. --Drmargi (talk) 00:14, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
I wish. Every morning our lounge room is consistently less than 15 °C (59 °F) and outdoor temps are typically around 18 °C (64 °F) during the day. With gas at around $130 per 45 kilograms (99 lb) cylinder, heating costs are enormous. It used to be that we used less than 2 cylinders per year, but over the past few years it's more than doubled. I'm really hanging out for global warming. When is it going to get here? --AussieLegend () 03:40, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

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Notability of Alpine huts

Hi Legend, I have not translated any more Alpine hut articles since they were tagged with notability hatnotes. However, I am not clear why their notability is being questioned and what needs to be addressed. Take the Franz Senn Hut, for example. It is bigger than most hotels and has bunks/bedspaces for up to over 300 people. Like many of its type, it is the only significant building in its vicinity. What needs to be done to remove the notability hatnote? Cheers. --Bermicourt (talk) 07:27, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Article topics must meet the general notability guideline, which requires that a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. --AussieLegend () 08:11, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

TfD indentation

Please stop indenting your TfD comments with colons followed by an asterisk; and changing rows of asterisks to colons followed by an asterisk as you did here. It makes no visual difference, but causes issues for the users of assistive software. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:34, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

It doesn't seem to be an issue with the copy of JAWS that I use here. However, once you have more than 2 asterisks, some web browsers, including Firefox on occasion, have a problem with the formatting. Why is it that you can find the time to whinge on somone's talk page, but can't take the time to discuss a template on its talk page? I was just wondering. --AussieLegend () 12:25, 16 July 2013 (UTC)


Save me from fangirls. My gawd, those recent edits you reverted. Does no one know how to write in active voice any longer? And worse, do they understand that not every new piece of information is a revelation? --Drmargi (talk) 16:17, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

List of Good Luck Charlie episodes

When I did the same exact thing to the List of Shake It Up episodes, no one had a problem with it and there wasn't even a discussion for a split! So why do you have a problem if I'm doing it to this article? I did the same thing to another, so why is it different now?! ChicagoWiz 11:56, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

There was a discussion on the talk page there and there was no opposition to splitting the article, which was not the case at List of Good Luck Charlie episodes. I'm seeing similar problems at the Shake It Up articles that exist in the articles that you created for Good Luck Charlie. Splitting articles isn't simply a matter of chopping up one article into smaller articles. Content still needs to be verifiable, images need to comply with WP:NFCC and so on. --AussieLegend () 12:47, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Archiving of recent comment

Are you aware that you archived a comment I made, about three hours after I made it? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:46, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

I am now, but I wasn't. --AussieLegend () 10:54, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

MY Sam Simon

Well I'm coming back to the article I created 8 months ago, and its changed quite a bit. The same applies to me as an editor, but I still see the ref-improve tag there and I think there is enough references there. In fact I they are reliable ones too, if you think it should stay, tell me and I can copy-edit and expand it some more. Prabash.Akmeemana 02:13, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

As indicated by the note in the "Service" section, much of the first paragraph in that section is uncited and was added by an IP who included copyright violations. The copyvios were removed but the rest of the content requires citations. --AussieLegend () 06:33, 28 July 2013 (UTC)


I noticed you recently deleted Taree's climate. If you do not agree with the way it was presented, and you stated that I had no original research. The website I used for it was: I believe that Taree needs a climate infobox, and if you arent satifisfied with the way I set mine out, could you please create one yourself? Luxure (talk) 11:23, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

It probably does need a climate chart but the content that you added didn't contain an actual citation for anything. I noticed that you changed what was supposed to be a citation from weatherzone to the Bureau of Meteorology which, while being the most authoritative source for all things weather in Australia, still wasn't an actual citation and didn't support what you added. --AussieLegend () 02:43, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
Yes I know I changed it to the BoM, to see how it would work for referencing like Melbourne, Perth and Sydney have it but it didn't work and then you deleted it. Do you know how I could add it in correctly? Luxure (talk) 08:49, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
Here is the BoM source for Taree: Luxure (talk) 08:51, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
The easiest way to cite BoM stats is to use {{BoM Aust stats}}. The citation for Taree is <ref>{{BoM Aust stats|site_ref=cw_060030|site_name=Taree (Robertson St)|accessdate=9 July 2013}}</ref>. --AussieLegend () 09:08, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
Thank You for that information greatly appreciated. I have added the climate section into Taree as you can see here --- Luxure (talk) 09:59, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

RE: Top Gear episodes

You seem to be on top of things on this page; can you tell me why the episode list tables are inconsistent and haven't been revised to standard? It seems the data on the page is redundant because the individual series pages have the same data and can be better transcluded. Rebel shadow 19:35, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

It's something I've been looking at for a while. IMO, all of the series pages need to be reworked to be consistent with other TV series/season articles and transcluded to List of Top Gear episodes, but it's a big task that I haven't had time to work on. --AussieLegend () 19:44, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
It's about time it gets done, since Top Gear is a pretty popular and important TV series. I might try a stab at it. Rebel shadow 02:28, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
By all means, do what you can. --AussieLegend () 05:13, 29 July 2013 (UTC)


He or she makes the same edit without source in the list of winx episodes DasHausAnubisFan321 (talk) 20:08, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Winx Club Edits

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Hi there. I was having problems finding info about Season 6. I found info and cited the source where I found it. Do you want me to leave the series overview alone until Season 6 has aired? Plong26 (talk) 20:50, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

You didn't cite the information though. Blogs and fan sites are not reliable sources and can't be used as references. Anonymous fan blogs deinitely can't be used. --AussieLegend () 06:53, 30 July 2013 (UTC)


hello there this is Aozz101x (Having Problems Log In) i just wanted say that im sorry about adding the source for i did ask one of the crew that works on SMFA and i don't know when hill come back and answer my question on formspring. i will wait until there an official announcement from SMFA being cancelled and i will remove the info on smfa's wiki page that i added - Aozz101x — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:53, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Geographic Names Register

Wow. You're having fun and on a roll. I bet that 90% of the GNR references that you're changing are due to my errors. I see that the GNB has changed its website. Well done on creating the {{NSW GNR}}. Do you need a hand or are you ok? Rangasyd (talk) 10:21, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Your edits were only very marginally less easy to fix than mine were. After fixing "our" 140 articles it has become more difficult to proceed with AWB and so about 1,000 articles still need fixing. They're all listed on the template's talk page. Any help you can give would be greatly appreciated. --AussieLegend () 11:15, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
How about I stick to the rivers and the dams? Rangasyd (talk) 13:50, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
Do whatever you feel comfortable doing. I'll be periodically updating all of the list anyway. --AussieLegend () 14:13, 30 July 2013 (UTC)


Good catch! I just saw that a {{Merge to}} had been placed on it when it still had text and just assumed a merge had taken place. Mybad. Joys! – Paine Ellsworth CLIMAX! 03:32, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

NI station template

Based on your comments at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2013 July 10#Template:Infobox NI station, it sounds like the template is ready to be redirected, but I wanted to check with you first before I did it. Let me know if it is ready to go. Thanks. --RL0919 (talk) 21:44, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Everything is ready to go. I've redirected the template itself but wasn't sure what to do with the talk page or subpages. --AussieLegend () 01:48, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
For this type of situation I'd usually leave them be, for easy access in case we discover later that we need something from them, Thanks for the help. --RL0919 (talk) 03:49, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
That's what I thought. The NI talk page actually has content, whereas the Ireland page is empty. --AussieLegend () 07:57, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Mako Mermaids

Actually, the title "Mako: Island of Secrets" *does exist*. This was the title given, on the television screen by "Network Ten", when the first episode of the program was broadcast last Friday (26 July) at 4.00 p.m. "Mako: Island of Secrets" is also the title given to the program by "TV Week". With the title being given as "Miko: Island of Secrets" when the program was shown, this was the reason for my putting this title as an alternate title on the "Mako Mermaids" infobox. If you wish to check this information for yourself, please look at the title of the program when it is shown again next Friday (2 August) - or, record the program if you can't watch it at the time of broadcast, so that you can check it later. Figaro (talk) 07:24, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Your edit to Mako Mermaids wasn't reverted because of the name. It was reverted, as was indicated in the edit summary,[1] because show_name_3 is not a valid field in {{Infobox television}}. Only fields that actually exist in the infobox can be used. --AussieLegend () 08:01, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

The show premired yesterday on Netflix AND the name of the show is Mako Mermaids: An H2O Adventure — Preceding unsigned comment added by GermanDude100 (talkcontribs) 19:45, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Mako Mermaids is the international title. The title as aired in Australia, the country of origin, is Mako: Island of Secrets. Please see the discussion at Talk:Mako: Island of Secrets. --AussieLegend () 19:55, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

File move

Could you help me rename this image King Georges Road, Beverly Hills.jpg I found recently? The name itself is meaningless and since you are a file mover, could you rename it for me? Marcnut1996 (talk) 04:31, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) That file is actually on commons rather than WP. AL has WP filemover permissions, but I am a commons file mover and can do it any time this afternoon, just put a rename template on there with your desired name, let me know on my talk page, and Ill do the rest :) -- Nbound (talk) 04:49, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

handball disambiguation

Please have a look at Talk:Team handball#Requested move. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 10:49, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Category not linking to Wikipedia article

Greetings, AussieLegend

I added "Category:List of LGBT characters in television and radio" to the Lost Girl page \External links/ because characters from the show are included in the article, but the [[ ]] does not link to it. This is the Wikipedia URL:

I cannot find what is causing the problem. Regards Pyxis Solitary (talk) 07:50, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

List of LGBT characters in television and radio is an article, not a category. You've made a similar mistake here, when you removed Category:Funimation Entertainment. A category is a grouping of articles, not an article itself. --AussieLegend () 12:35, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

My apologies for the edit. When I conducted a Wikipedia search for "list of LGBT characters in television" it pulled up what I assumed to be a category. Sometimes I am perplexed by the "yes's"* and "no's" & "do's" and "don'ts of Wikipedia, but I'm learning as I go along. Thank you for the explanation. Pyxis Solitary (talk) 21:48, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Vegemite article

Hi AussieLegend. Thank you very much for all your work on the Vegemite article over the years, including stopping the recent little edit war between me and WLRoss. Let me point out that the Kashrut Authority is the main hashgacha for NSW. Even though they might claim to cover all of Australia (or more) on their website, remember that there are other local hashgachot which cover other parts of Australia and are probably more commonly used in those localities. Cheers! —Unforgettableid (talk) 18:49, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry but I have no idea what hashgacha or hashgachot are. I do know that everything added to Wikipedia has to be verifiable, in accordance with Wikipedia:Verifiability, and your latest changes to the article are not supported by sources in the article. --AussieLegend () 18:55, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Shake it Up

Hi AussieLegend, I noticed your reversion of this edit at List of Shake It Up episodes. Since this page is on your radar, I thought I'd mention that it looks like a few editors have engaged in the massive copy/paste. Not sure if this is a Visual Editor glitch or what. User 1: Shakeitfarm, User 2: Tttcutie, a resubmission by User 2: Tttcutie, and the most recent one by the IP editor: Anyhow, not sure what any of it means, but I thought I'd draw a fellow editor's eyes to it. Take it easy, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:44, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

VisualEditor has some known bugs when dealing with articles that use {{Episode list}}. It looks like this might be a big problem with this article. Thanks for pointing it out. --AussieLegend () 19:53, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

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"Edit war"

No, not really an edit war... I was just asking for a damn source. It's incredible that some people like to hide them at all costs. Anyway, thanks for inserting one there. The article is a little bit better and now I can use that number. Cheers, MarcosPassos (talk) 06:01, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

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Requested move again

I reckon that it's a two way street the abuse thing between the code partisans. Even Hilo who is usually quite subtle (albeit misguided I believe) has been quite intemperate. Really isn't the answer to reach a compromise? For example "Football (soccer)" works for me. Cheers (please reply here) Silent Billy (talk) 07:24, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Use of Rollback

WP:ROLLBACK is suppose to be a tool for fighting vandalism, yet you just used it to rollback two edits that were not vandalism. It's very innapropriafe and a bit rude. JOJ Hutton 02:52, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Per WP:TWINKLEABUSE, "Anti-vandalism tools, such as Twinkle, Huggle, and rollback, should not be used to undo good-faith changes unless an appropriate edit summary is used.". An edit summary was included,[2] but I did accidentally revert a change that I shouldn't have, which I've fixed. Sorry about that. --AussieLegend () 03:04, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for fixing the information that you did not intend to revert. As far as use if the Rollback feature, I only use it to revert clear vandalism or on rare occasions, good faith edits by new or inexperienced users. I find that more experienced users tend to take it as a huge insult when their edits are reverted like common vandals, even if an edit summery is used. JOJ Hutton 03:15, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Infobox change

Hello, seemed a rather routine technical adjustment as an lga is an artificial social construct laid over existing populated places and no more a populated place than a state; lgas were not unpopulated before 1994 as the automatically-generated category would suggest. Will put my argument on talk page in due course if deemed necessary. Regards Crusoe8181 (talk) 10:42, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

It's something that really needs discussion. As I indicated, it's been in the template for a long time (at least 5 years) and there are arguments for both points of view. For example, what exactly is a place? LGA's are certainly not unpopulated. They are bounded and the ABS counts their populations. In NSW, city boundaries are defined by the LGA boundary so they are one and the same. Therefore, if a city is a populated place, an LGA must be too. Conversely, if an LGA is not a populated place a city can't be a populated place either. And so on. If you want to discuss this, WP:AWNB is probably a better place than the template's talk page. --AussieLegend () 10:54, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Lost Girl: Home media vs. Home video

Hi! I saw that you reversed the word back to "media". The reason I made the change is because I searched the term "home media" on the web and came up empty. I also came up empty when I searched for it on Wikipedia; however, there is an article for "Home video" @ -- and what it has to say (DVD, Blu-ray, and TV programs) related to the contents within that Lost Girl category. This is why I made the change. Just wanted you to know that it wasn't a random decision. :-) Pyxis Solitary (talk) 09:43, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

number of references

In regards to your reverting my alteration to the reflist on the pete lattimer page, just how many refs should there be before changing it? I see that in my changing it I accidentally left off a "T" but that could have been remedied by you fixing it not reverting my edit.TacfuJecan (talk) 09:14, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

It's really a judgement call and varies from article to article but in that article, with 12 of the 13 references being episode references, a single column is easier to read. --AussieLegend () 09:44, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
All rightTacfuJecan (talk) 10:10, 4 September 2013 (UTC)


Hi AussieLegend Thank you for your post. However, I find odd that don't see a warning issued to the other party, who actually was the first one to revert a good faith edit. In fact, the other editor has now reverted the same edit FOUR times. Care to correct the situation? Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 17:25, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

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Hello AussieLegend. I am writing about when you revert my change on adding PM elect Tony Abbott on the Australia infobox. I am very puzzled by this because it is very normal and common to add a President-elect or a Prime Minister-elect on any countries home page's info box. I am asking for clarification on your stance on not putting him on the infobox Is it because you guys don't like him or what is it? I am writing in good faith and not being rude. Im just wanting answers that's all.

Thank you and have a good day,

Nhajivandi (talk) 18:51, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

It has nothing to do with whether we like Abbot or not. Prime Minister elect/designate is not an official position withing the government. We discussed this in July, when Kevin Rudd ousted Julia Gillard as leader of the Labor party. --AussieLegend () 15:37, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Selena Gomez

How is See also "more appropriate" than saying what it is in the heading for those looking for Awards in the TOC -- like it's done in every other bio article? --Musdan77 (talk) 04:23, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Sections should contain more content than just a single wikilink. Where a section contains only a single wikilink, that wikilink should be placed in the "See also" section. This is standard practice for any article. --AussieLegend () 08:15, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
Could you please give a link to the MOS that states that? --Musdan77 (talk) 18:52, 12 September 2013 (UTC)


that someone would provide a crib sheet/ sub page of the australian project that covers all the copyright issues - it would save so much time and space. Thanks for your explanation. sats 10:10, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

How Episodes Should Be Displayed

Aussie, would you mind putting your input on this edit war between Koala and I. I stopped and just decided to open a talk page about it. They have tried to talk to me and I came up with a compromise but they reverted it and has not told me how they like the compromise. You can see the conversation I started on the Wander Over Yonder Talk Page. Thanks - Alec (talk) 20:50, 12 September 2013 (UTC)


Hi AussieLegend,

In case you didn't know, on 23 November, the State Library is offering us a backstage pass and we are having a WWI editathon afterwards. This is the first time that an Australian cultural institution has opened its doors to us in this way and will be a great opportunity because the Library is providing: one of its best rooms; its expert curators (along with their expertise and their white gloves); a newly launched website (containing new resources); and of course, items from its collection (including rare and usually unavailable material) which we can look at, learn from, and use, to improve WP articles. For example, on the chosen topic (Australia and WWI), the Library holds many diaries and manuscripts from the period.

It would be great if you were able to make an excursion to Sydney and join in. You have the perfect name for this event! And the curators are looking forward to meeting us. As you can see from the Library's project page, they have connected this editathon with their own work. They have already set out a wide range of resources to make things easier for us. Please sign up on the editathon project page if you would like to participate. Hope you come! (talk) 07:33, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Mister Ed

Any particular reason why you redirected the Season Pages for Mister Ed (Season 1) and Mister Ed (Season 2) to the main list of episodes? Oanabay04 (talk) 14:56, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

There are many reasons. The pages were not split out correctly (see WP:SPLIT). There was no attribution, the capitalisation was wrong (The pages should be at Mister Ed (season x), not Mister Ed (Season x), they did not expand substantially on the season list, which had been hacked to remove all episode information beyond season 2 without explanation. Aside from this there were WP:REDNOT and MOS:& breaches, use of in citations ( is not a reliable source for episode information), the season 2 article had not been coloured correctly, and so on. All in all it looked like somebody had started to split season articles out but had given up and, since 2 months had elapsed it seemed best to start from scratch using the correct article titles. The best way to do this is to rebuild the main episode list and then split if sufficient content can be created for individual season articles. Unless sufficient content can be created there's no real justification in splitting the episode lists. --AussieLegend () 15:14, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Just flagging for attention

Hey :) Hope all is well...

Just noticed pages such as Jerilderie Shire, the URL component is breaking in them for some reason. There is probably a whole bunch like this as most of NSW is being maintained by the same users. Could you look into it please? Orderinchaos 17:59, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up. I suspect something may have changed in the code at Wikidata because they were working. --AussieLegend () 18:16, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
Yeah that's what I assumed, but didn't have time to explore what was going on. Orderinchaos 04:14, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

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Jessie Colors

Hey for Jessie season 3 I just wanted to let you know why I changed it to orange. The colors for the season are being chosen by the letters in the actual logo, not just random colors. For Jessie the J is blue, so season one was blue, season 2 is yellow because the first E in the logo is Yellow, season 3 should be orange because the S is orange. It's not vandalism. I think it makes more sense to pick actual colors to represent the show than just random ones :) - Kellypoddle — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kellypoddle101 (talkcontribs) 05:46, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

It doesn't really ,matter what the colours are but you should explain what you are doing in an edit sumary. The main reason I reverted your edit was because your unexplained changes to the headings broke several links. --AussieLegend () 10:32, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

I only changed the colors? I interfered with no links that time, you just changed it back? They do that as a promotional thing, that's why the production number shows two different numbers and it does matter, if it didn't matter than it wouldn't exist. They show every episode if they do not it would state. iTunes, and Amazon are not TV companies, Wikipedia for TV shows gives information not only about the show (what is promoted), but behind the scenes info as well. It should be two episodes not one. I understand what you mean as opening credits, but the promotion and airing has nothing to do with it. For example, sonny with a chance is promoted as sonny with a chance, even though in the beginning it went through at least 3 other titles before they chose an official title and Wikipedia states that, even though iTunes, Amazon and Disney may not say it, doesn't mean it isn't valid information. They wouldn't announce how many episodes were ordered if it wasn't valid, they have these terms and codes for a reason. If the production number was of no significance then I wouldn't mind it, but it's their so it needs to be put in correctly, the production code is how the actual show produced it and the order it went in, so even if it is shown as one episodes, the production will still have to, which is true and in most cases confirmed, yet they keep getting changed back. That's basically posting incorrect information. I'm not trying to be rude or mean, it's just I feel the production and information on the things people do not see should be correct. iTunes and Amazon has nothing to do with. iTunes does not show the production codes or give information on the shows behind the scenes and production details, where as Wikipedia post information on everything about the show, it shouldn't just be information that people see. If that was the case then there would be no need for the episode page. The page actually said 28 at first with an actual source, but you went in and take it out. If it has a source than why is it being corrected? The source is there to prove the information is valid, you posting 26 with no source is invalid. Also the colors for the season are being chosen by the letters in the actual logo, not just random colors. For Jessie the J is blue, so season one was blue, season 2 is yellow because the first E in the logo is Yellow, season 3 should be orange because the S is orange. It's not vandalism. I think it makes more sense to pick actual colors to represent the show than just random ones. I think it's mandatory we post valid information, I'm obviously not the only one who feels this way because the people putting in the information on the show pages (Jessie, Victorious, How to Rock, etc.) who put the sources where it says episodes order and other things do the same thing until you change it, and you're changing it with no sources because iTunes and Amazon. We need to post correct information, not just change things because we personally do not feel like it's correct. For example, If Jessie is getting cancelled they're not going to promote it on TV, iTunes, or Amazon, but we would still place that information on Wikipedia. You get what I'm saying? I'm actually majoring in Broadcasting and Mass Communications right now. Again not trying to be rude, just want information that is put up to be Valid. - Kellypoddle101 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kellypoddle101 (talkcontribs) 17:22, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
The changes that you made to section headings in both of your edits broke links to the sections from other articles as well as from the series overview table in the article. As for the rest of what you wrote above, I have no idea what relevance that is to changing colours or headings. --AussieLegend () 17:46, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Last Man Standing

After your reversion, do the season numbers in the series overview work for you? They don't for me. That's why I changed it. Ryan8374 (talk) 05:12, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

They're working fine now. En dashes, not hyphens should be used in the season links, the formatting was unnecessary because style="text-align:center;" is already declared for the whole table and full linking is required because the table is transcluded to Last Man Standing (U.S. TV series). Using abbreviated linking there breaks links. --AussieLegend () 10:47, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Selena Gomez discography

Hello, I would just like to ask about your undo of my edit to the Selena Gomez page regarding the Discography and Tours sections. I understand why you think they should not have sections for these, but I know of several pages that have these, for example Fergie, Bridgit Mendler, Zendaya, and Ariana Grande. I don't think that just because an artist has only one album their Discography section should be removed. My reason for this is because, when I'm looking for artists discographies, I simply look at the contents at the top, and if I don't see "Discography" I assume that they haven't released anything yet. The Tours section I'm not really picky about, but I suppose I could use the same logic on that one. I apologize if I've misunderstood something, but I just think these sections are extremely useful, even if they only link to a main article and an album (which, if you think about it, is two links). Feel free to correct me. Thank you for reading. WonderBuono! (talk) 01:25, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Sections that contain only a single wikilink are empty sections and shouldn't exist. We have the "See also" section in articles as a place to put links that aren't discussed in the prose. That other articles exist with empty sections is not justification to include them elsewhere, it's a reason to fix the articles with empty sections. Per this discussion, the discography was split out from Selena Gomez in March 2013. Since Stars Dance is part of the discography it should be included, and is included, in the discography article, not in Selena Gomez. All that should be in Selena Gomez is a link to Selena Gomez discography. It doesn't make sense to include only one of several links that are in Selena Gomez discography in Selena Gomez. --AussieLegend () 02:52, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Re: User:Jahvell Addo-Cottrell

Re your message: I noticed that connection. The IP got blocked after the named account made their edits. The IP must have been reported to WP:AIV. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 01:54, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Relisting RMs

Hi AussieLegend, you surely had good intent with this edit, but with it you inadvertently subverted the RM process. A bot lists all RMs based on the date of their request, which is determined by the first signature in the nomination. So when a request is relisted, the notice properly goes right before the nominator's original signature, as I placed it. This doesn't appear to be covered as an exception at WP:REFORMAT, but it is a well established practice. --BDD (talk) 17:08, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

I must admit to never having seen RMs relisted. Generally they're just left open until closed. --17:39, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
It's fairly common these days. It perhaps happens more than it used to. --BDD (talk) 18:27, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Do not remove pages List of Mona the Vampire characters and Template: Mona the Vampire, please

Hello, AussieLegend, I think that you can not delete pages for nothing, let him make these pages there, waiting for the next few months my book Pétunia le vampire based on the Mona Vampire, released in the edition Baico in Ottawa, when you wait for the news, Okay.

Godinpédia (talk) 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Both of these have been nominated for deletion in accordance with Wikipedia policy. They would not be deleted for nothing, they will be deleted because they fail to comply with established policies and guidelines. --AussieLegend () 08:14, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Amish Mafia

The Amish Mafia article "war" is, I think, about to get unpleasant. I smell a "war" brewing, which I will stay out of, but honestly, the section titles are fine even though the show is clearly *fiction*. The folks who want the non-standard titles need to get a life. Please review the Talk page... =//= Johnny Squeaky 03:50, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes, they simply don't seem to understand theproblems with what they're adding. --AussieLegend () 04:55, 24 September 2013 (UTC)


Ohai Aussi, i've been just wondering, can this be considered as reliable source , ? ++Bear with Cup of Tea (talk) 10:18, 26 September 2013 (UTC)++

Legend of Korra: Civil Wars (Pts. 1 and 2)

The user Sandstein has created an article for Civil Wars, Part 1 and on that article's talk page, I suggested that the article be moved to Civil Wars (The Legend of Kora) and incorporate the information from both parts of the episode, as is standard practice, but he is resistant saying that the article would be cluttered and confusing for readers. Is there an actual policy for this or is it just a common practice that doesn't actually have to be followed? Would you care to weigh in? -- SchrutedIt08 (talk) 09:03, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Austin & Ally Color Change

I felt as though since the theme colors of Austin & Ally are red, black, and yellow, we use black instead of green? Can we please use black? It would make more since. It's not random, it was actually black at first and someone changed it. Kellypoddle101 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kellypoddle101 (talkcontribs) 15:01, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

MythBusters : One original air date ??

You are revert my contribution, you say ": We only need one original air date", so explain me why on some episodes, there is 2 or 3 original air dates ?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sebk22 (talkcontribs) 14:15, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

On occasion an episode will air in another country prior to its release in the US. In such cases we list the date that the episode first aired in a foreign market along with the US air date. We don't include every date that the episode aired in a foreign market, only the first one. There are not "2 or 3 original air dates" listed on some episodes as you claim, there are only 2 at most. --AussieLegend () 14:21, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
Ok, I understand and respect you point of view, and I will not add the French air date. But i'ts not true when you say "there are only 2 at most" because there is 3 original air dates on season 2012, episodes 14, special 2 and 19. PS: My written English is not very good, sorry. Sebk22 (talk) 14:43, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
I assumed you were talking about 2013. The extra dates in 2012 should not be there and have been removed. --AussieLegend () 14:51, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

TDAS Episodes

The episodes are confirmed, but, I don't know how to access the schedule for Cartoon Network — Preceding unsigned comment added by TDBiggestFan (talkcontribs) 15:04, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Good Luck Charlie pending changes

Hey there. I've fiddled about with the edits, accepting and rejecting, approving and unapproving, and I think it's right. You have to accept your own review. See Wikipedia:Reviewing#Reviewing_edits_by_multiple_users which explains it, kinda. I'm not an expert on reviewing stuff, even thouogh I specialise in page protection. If that doesn't make any sense, you should probably raise it at Wikipedia talk:Reviewing where you're more likely to find someone that knows what they're talking about! GedUK  12:00, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for that. Regarding reviewing my own review, it wouldn't let me review any more edits after the first, which made it really complicated. I've never had to do that before. --AussieLegend () 12:12, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
I'm sure there used to be a guide around about such things, ie if there's two edits, one to accept one to reject, should youo do them in a particular order etc. GedUK  12:22, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Reviewing#Reviewing edits by multiple users seems to cover it and worked up until the second part of step 3. --AussieLegend () 12:27, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Answer for HIMYM

Thanks for the comment on my talk page about why you removed the websites on the page of the show "How I met your mother". I don't know if that comment was directly for me or the other two users who were involved on these edits or for all three of us. Out of the three I was the one who removed the edits believing that those edits were some kind of vandalism but after talking to one of the other editors I saw that these websites were actually created by the producers of the show themselves so I just stepped away. But it seems that there is another reason of why those edits have to be removed. I don't know if the other two editors are watching my page so they could see your comment. Hope they saw it and there won't be any more misunderstandings for this subject. Thanks again TeamGale 10:51, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

The comment was more for their benefit than yours, although I hope you got something from it. Even if the websites were official, it;s still trivia. --AussieLegend () 10:55, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
Yes, I got that. Still new around...still learning :) Thanks once again TeamGale 10:59, 13 October 2013 (UTC)


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List of convicts

Not sure why, but this welcome reformatting of the List of convicts on the First Fleet removed a fair bit of detail on some of the convicts. For example the info on Tamasin Allen, the name of Esther Abrahams' baby, the trial details of Ann Fowles etc. It also restored a false entry - "Josh Oliver" - which I removed a few days ago because there was no such person on the Fleet.

I suspect the reformatting has inadvertently reverted to an earlier version of the article content. Is there some way of fixing this while keeping your format changes? Euryalus (talk) 13:17, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Well, that's a pain in the bum. I wonder what happened. I'll have a look to see what can be done. --AussieLegend () 13:32, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Userbox & Signature Help

Hi AussieLegend! You seem like you know a lot about wikipedia, so I need your help. How do I access the userboxes for my userpage? Also, How can I make a signature? Stars&Sky (talk) 16:18, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

You can find userboxes in Category:Userboxes (there are lots!). Help on creating a signature may be found at WP:CUSTOMSIG. --AussieLegend () 04:08, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Better Together

Thanks for chilling out and for working together on SS. Your wikifu is stronger than mine and is much appreciated. (talk) 03:13, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi, it's really starting to seem like you're reverting all of my contributions again like a few days ago on Sea Shepherd Conservation Society. I can tell you have very strong feelings about this article and the POV the article should take, but please consider that the article isn't meant to express the POV of you. There are many valid points that seem to be reverted by you because of a certain positive leaning POV you seem to be attempting to maintain. Please consider taking a step back and allowing the edits of others to soak into the discussion more before reverting. (talk) 13:33, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
Oh, and thanks again for your constant help with fixing tags. I suck at that and you rock. (talk) 13:35, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
Only inappropriate changes that have been made by you have been reverted. The POV that the article should take is neutral, per WP:NPOV. It's very clear that you are POV-pushing. We don't do that. This is an ecyclopaedia and subjects should be treated neutrally. --13:48, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

SOH article edits by 842U

Hi Legend

A quick question - this current sequence of edits to the SOH article by 842U seem to me to be rather pedestrian and awkward ("The facility"??), when not actually introducing errors or misunderstandings - would you agree? - i suspect someone who doesn't know how to spell Sydney is not the right person to do this work , although I sympathise to some extent with his comment about the original "it is .. it is,,, It is" kind of structure. I am tempted to wait until it looks like he's finished doing whatever he thinks he's doing, and then go in and try to tidy it back up - does that sound like a reasonable process to you? Machina.sapiens (talk) 06:48, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

That seems entirely appropriate. I was thinking the same thing, which is why I've only been fixing blatant errors, like "Sidney". --AussieLegend () 07:03, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

2013 New South Wales bushfires

Thanks for your edits to 2013 New South Wales bushfires, especially the section on Port Stephens. Would you please mind revisiting and adding in appropriate references to the information in this section? Thanks so much. Cheers. Rangasyd (talk) 02:40, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

I will as soon as they're available (the local paper doesn't come out until Thursday). What's in the article now is based on news reports, minus some information that was very clearly incorrect, such as the report that Maccas at williamtown had burned down - it hasn't. --AussieLegend () 04:18, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. :-) Rangasyd (talk) 22:24, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

Warnings for disagreeing?

Aussie, you seem to give me a warning every time you disagree with my edits. Kindly knock it, share the internet please. (talk) 14:16, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

If you want to avoid warnings you need to start editing in accordance with our policies and guidelines. Stop trying to force your point of view into articles - Subjects should be treated neutrally, not in accordance with your own beliefs. Don't ignore advice given to you, respect WP:BRD and WP:STATUSQUO and don't change things just because you don't like it. --AussieLegend () 14:19, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
My contention is that you are basing decisions (like the category organization of SSCS) not on logic or what brings the most amount of sense to an article, or the best use of wiki policy, but on something else. And when a guy comes into the the article like myself and sees problems, you don't try to help you jumped right into assuming bad faith as if to push me away, getting into an edit war and what not. I mean I get that you view the SSCS article as a BLP of sorts and I get that the contents of the article tie into your personal interests, but you have to understand that my view of the article is not a personal attack on you but the neutrality of the article which it appears you have helped to skew. For instance, why such a fight to make sure the words "Eco-terrorist" don't appear on that page? Why such an issue to make sure negative comments are sandwiched in weasel wording and positive comments? It doesn't make sense. Neither does the millitant tone you take with me as if I were some random vandal inserting the word "poop" or "this guys sucks!" into articles of people I don't like. I'm asking you for two things. Examine your own neutrality here and assume good faith. I freely admit that i am not the best editor, but I'm here to help fix the article, not steal your baby. (talk) 15:03, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
Your contention is misguided. My decisions have been based on established Wikipedia policies and guidelines that you have demonstrated that you are unwilling to comply with. The most basic of these is WP:BRD and WP:STATUSQUO. You weren't jumped on at all. When you first made your edits they were reverted with an appropriate edit summary.[3] Immediately after that I responded to a post of yours on the article's talk page.[4] It was only after you reinstated the edits that I left a soft warning on your talk page.[5] Your response to warnings has been to delete them and some of your edit summaries[6][7][8] and posts have been decidely uncivil and bordering on personal attacks. You don't seem to understand categorisation, although I've tried explaining it. Categories are not part of the article, they are ways of organising articles. Placing an article in a subcat is not an attempt to hide it from anything, it's simply a more effective way of organising and sorting articles. I suggest you familiarise yourself with Wikipedia:Categorization. Hopefully that will provide you with some more insight. --AussieLegend () 15:28, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
My main contention is that your decision to categorize someone who disagrees with your POV as "disruptive" and "vandal" is disturbing. How is this misguided? An thanks for helping me with links to policy. I find that helpful, just not the rude tone it comes in. (talk) 16:14, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
My POV hasn't even come into play, other than I believe a neutral point of view should be maintained per WP:NPOV. Your edits have resulted in a negative, rather than neutral, tone being introduced. Your edit warring, inappropriate addition of unnecessary cats and removal of cats from a category has been disruptive to the point of being vanalistic, which is why you received the final warning. Your belief regarding categorisation is clearly misguided, which you should see once you read WP:CAT. --AussieLegend () 16:20, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
Thanks again for links to policy. I've read and reread that particular one. How can you say that your perspective is neutral and others POV is not? We all have a POV. I happen to see yours as being outside that of the notable news sources and biased in favor of what appear to be your personal interests. My interest is making the article more neutral and I recognize we both have different views on that. I just ask you to reexamine your passion in that article for protecting the image of SSCS, in favor of providing a more comprehensive view of the subject. (talk) 17:20, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
A neutral point of view presents all relevant points of view. I'm all for that. Your edits to the article suppressed one view completely while enhancing the other view. How is that neutral? --AussieLegend () 17:31, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
I don't believe I suppressed anything. I was adding information, like categories, extra links to the news etc. I understand that the links I added changed the tone a bit because the news was not favorable exactly (limpet mines, court injuctions, etc.) I even changed the wording of positive statements to have it make more sense. Perhaps your view that I am suppressing positive material is at the root to why we are having difficulty here. If you can help me understand in what way I'm being suppressive to the good things of SSCS I will most certainly pay attention to it and be sure not to do that. (talk) 18:05, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
Your very first edits to the article suppressed all mention of support for SSCS in the lead while enhancing the status of opposition to the organisation. --AussieLegend () 18:12, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
With that particular edit, after discussion I helped reword it so that it made more sense. That doesn't strike you as collaborative and good faith? All of my other contributions have been additive in nature. You mentioned edits plural. Are there other areas you have found my alterations to the article to be suppresive? Or just the one which is now better? (talk) 18:44, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
Yes, you reworded it, but then you added this, which shouldn't be in the article for reasons that have been explained at length. Adding it is ignoring WP:BRD and WP:STATUSQUO, which you've been told previously. That is not collaborating. Disputed edits need to be discussed and added only when there is consensus to do so. You also made this edit which restored a category that doesn't belong in the article, for reasons that have also been explained at length, and turned an informative note into vague waffle. --AussieLegend () 18:59, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
I added more info because I think the additional information was valuable to the reader. That is different than suppression. The fact that you treat my perspective as wrong because it is different than yours is to me a double standard and not at all neutral. Regardless, I think this admin coming will help us with that. I am anxious to see what can be worked out. (talk) 19:09, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
You shouldn't have added the information until there was consensus to do so. That's part of the process when edits are challenged, and yours clearly were. There's no double standard, please read WP:NPOV. It's not neutral to give one opinion more weight than others, as your edit did. As I've explained, the lead is supposed to summarise the article, not to mislead the reader int believing one POV has more weight than the other. --AussieLegend () 19:15, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
You could just as easily take the other point of view and say that your edits also required more consensus and less reverting, warning, etc.. Regardless, I thank you for helping make the lede what it is at this moment. It definitely looks more informational, and has less of a slant on it than it did a few days ago. I appreciate your skill even if we butt heads POV wise. (talk) 19:24, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────No, that's not the case at all When edits are challenged the burden is on the editor who wishes to add the content to seek consensus. My edits consisted of maintaining the status quo (when edits are in dispute the status quo prevails) or simple categorisation cleanup - the removal of unnecessary categories is generally uncontroversial. --AussieLegend () 19:35, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

personal attacks

Calling someone a POV editor, accusing of "aggressive tandem editing" and of being "pro Japanese whaling spa editors." have nothing to do with an editor's content but are entirely about the editor as a person. How can you say this is not a personal attack? I remember you don't like it when people do that to you so why promote it when the happens to others? (talk) 16:11, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

The article has remained fairly stable for some time and then, quite coincidentally, two editors introduce POV edits to the article at the same time. One has not edited the article previously and all of his recent edits have been only to SSCS and closely related articles. The other has previously demonstrated an anti-SSCS bias. I believe the editor who started the section was just calling a spade a spade based on his observations. --AussieLegend () 17:29, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
At what point did these spades tandemly and aggressively display their point of view regarding Japan? I see people asking for help, people responding, people adding info and people removing info, none of that being out of the norm or requiring anyone to break with good faith assumptions. Then the name calling. (talk) 17:59, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
Both of you, on the same day, shifted the tone of the article from neutral, to a more negative view of the subject. --AussieLegend () 18:12, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
Agreed. But that's only because your view of SSCS happened to be more positive than the news articles I was adding. That doesn't make our view intrinsically wrong. Everyone's got a POV and the article will shift as the news does and as editors come in and out. Try to keep an open mind that YOUR PoV is not the neutral one. It's yours alone. (talk) 19:05, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
Please don't tell me what my view is. I've been around long enough to be able to maintain a neutral stance when editing, despite my opinion of the subject. --AussieLegend () 19:15, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
Interesting to watch this cat fight. If I may add one comment, generally media articles not always considered to have an unbiased view. For example, an opinion or article sourced from The Australian may be balanced from an article sourced from The Sydney Morning Herald. Rangasyd (talk) 02:36, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
No doubt, it's pretty easy to find notable expert opinion on both sides of an argument. I think though once courts and governmental officials apply the label of Eco-terrorist, it becomes the global picture starts to shift and so should the article, despite where our own biases lie. (talk) 01:29, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

State of Queensland

This discussion is being undertaken at several talk pages. Since all discussions are essentially about the same topic, a centralised discussion has been started at Wikipedia:Australian Wikipedians' notice board#"State of"..... Further discussion on this subject should continue there to avoid fragmenting the discussion. --AussieLegend () 17:17, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

You will be knowledgeable enough to explain (and source), please, "misinterpretation of the official name" at this[9] and the other reverts. Qexigator (talk) 19:19, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Your determination that the state names all start with "State of" appears to be a misinterpretation of sources. Official documentation often capitalises "state", but this doesn't mean that "State of" is part of the state name. S16(1) of the preamble to the Australia Act is an example of the capitalisation convention. It capitalises "state" in several places where it would not normally be capitalised, including "means a court of a State or any other court", "in relation to a State", and "'State' means a State of the Commonwealth and includes a new State". S16(3) also does this, saying "Parliament of a State", "legislature of that State", "any other Act of that State" and "Legislative Council of that State". This convention is followed in the other documents that you've used for Queensland. The name of New South Wales has been simply "New South Wales" since Captain Cook named it on 22 August 1770.[10] That the preamble calls it "State of New South Wales" is simply application of the convention to capitalise state. --AussieLegend () 03:03, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Discussion continues at Talk:Victoria (Australia). --Qexigator (talk) 14:44, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Television seasons

Can we take the debate to WP:TV. I don't want to have to go through this on each of a hundred different talk pages.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:57, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

That you've had to go through this on other pages with other editors is a clear indication that there is wider opposition to this sort of thing. --AussieLegend () 16:02, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
See Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Television#.2BThe_Beverly_Hillbillies_.28season_1.29.2C_The_Beverly_Hillbillies_.28season_2.29_and_many_others.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:10, 25 October 2013 (UTC)


The purpose of A10 is not to run roughshod over other editors in figuring out how to organise content. The guideline gives a rule of thumb, not a straightjacket - an article where most of the size is not in readable prose might call for another decision (or maybe not). But another editor apparently has a reasonable position on content organisation, it's not my place as an admin to cudgel them to your preferred organisation. WilyD 10:29, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

The guideline says there is only 285bytes of readable prose. An extremely generous interpretation takes that up to 28kB but that's still well below the 40kB guideline so even pushing the limits we still can't justify a split. The other editor's position is not that reasonable given that he's provided absolutely no evidence to back up his claim, and there is none in any of the related articles to support his claim. That editor apparently doesn't want to expand the article to support his claim so the split article just isn't going to serve any purpose other than being an orphaned article that duplicates an existing article. Deleting the article is not running roughshod, it's using commonsense. And remember, the editor opposing deletion is only opposing deletion of two of the nine articles. He has acknowledged that the seasons have been split out by an editor who "has a long history of splitting seasons from episode lists in a way that is of questionable value". --AussieLegend () 10:50, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
Wiley, we are having a similar issue of categorization disagreement and warring with myself and Aussie at Sea Shepherd Conservation Society to the point where it got locked. I can't point fingers, having come close to loosing my own cool but if you are an expert at helping point out reason and policy relating to categories, please visit us there. (talk) 21:40, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
The Beverley Hillbillies issue has nothing to do with categorisaation. --AussieLegend () 02:57, 29 October 2013 (UTC)



Why did you revert me in this article? Even worse you didn't even offer a justification? Yann (talk) 12:14, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Actually, my edit summary says "Don't knowingly add unsourced content", which is the reason that your edits were reverted.[11] Wikipedia:Verifiability says "Even if you're sure something is true, it must be verifiable before you can add it" and "any material whose verifiability has been challenged or is likely to be challenged, must include an inline citation that directly supports the material. Any material that needs a source but does not have one may be removed." It's one thing for somebody else to challenge your additions, but when you include "{{citation needed|date=October 2013}}" as part of your addition, it's clear that you can't verify it, so it shouldn't be added. In any case, MOS:TV says entries should be limited to those from English speaking countries and France doesn't fall into that category. --AussieLegend () 12:37, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
Wrong reason based on wrong policy. No wonder why the number of editors is decreasing. :( Yann (talk) 21:38, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

Mythbusters Breaking Bad Special

May I ask your exact reasoning in reverting my edit and calling it "original research"? The edit only contained text explicitly detailed by Adam and Jamie in the episode, which you seem to have seen a couple of times to the point of knowing it by heart to be able to refute by saying it's not in the episode. Even the Wikipedia page on the piranha solution speaks of sulfuric acid combined with hydrogen peroxide, which is specifically 30% in concentration for the latter. The description of said page, as well as what we see in the episode when Jamie and Adam tested the myth, is nearly identical. There's no other known reaction that can produce a similar result, not even close. Googling "piranha solution" brings up countless pages by universities detailing the procedure, and yet again, is perfectly conclusive with what Adam and Jamie did. There's no questioning it. The "sauce" was hydrogen peroxide. Now, can I have that reasoning? Or are you going to refute by saying that even if the entire world said it's the piranha solution, you won't accept that it's legitimate unless there's a reliable source? Seokhun (talk) 04:23, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

I watched the episode again today to confirm what was in the article and much of the content that you added was not stated in the episode, as I indicated in my edit summary.[12] Hydrogen peroxide and the piranha solution were not mentioned at all. That something may be "well-known in the scientific community as hydrogen peroxide" is irrelevant, it needs to be explicitly stated in the episode or in a reliable source before we can add it to an article. Television episodes are primary sources and their use is limited to directly recounting what happens in the episode. We can't interpret what happens in an episode and add personal analysis of events. Even a reliable source must directly reference the episode. i.e. the source must say something along the lines "the MythBusters "Breaking Bad" special episode used the piranha solution". Using what you saw in an episode, googling that and then determining that what was in the episode was hydrogen peroxide is classic WP:OR. --AussieLegend () 07:14, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
Very well, your logic is sound. I apologize for my hastiness. While we're at it, why is that "citation needed" tag in there? Adam stated in the episode that the "sauce" was 30% concentration, which by your logic should fit perfectly into the article because it came from the primary source. --Seokhun (talk) 07:19, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
When I watched the episode today I didn't hear 30% mentioned. --AussieLegend () 08:08, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
When they had the containers on the white table, the camera pans from Jamie to Adam who said the "sauce" is 30%. --Seokhun (talk) 00:08, 2 November 2013 (UTC)


watching your automated removal of any of the older Perth, Western Australia items, for the rather contentious singular term, but what is even more interesting is the built in redundancy/tautology/unnecessary over-doing it... that exists in the box for Peppermint Grove, I hadnt noted before, but the inclusion of the Australia underneath the Western Australia seems totally absurd imho - any thoughts ? - cheers satusuro 10:04, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

There are umpteen silly redirects to Perth so I've just been cleaning up the usage so we're a bit more consistent. At the moment I'm only changing the rather pointless "[[Perth, Western Australia|Perth]]" links. Australia was added to the infobox after a request some time ago. you're only the second person who has commented on the position of Australia but I'm not entirely happy with it either. We tried it on {{Infobox Australian road}}, but removed it. --AussieLegend () 10:53, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
well thats a good sign we have a diminished editor base who even bother to look at things :) - it needs to go satusuro 11:24, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

Halloween around the world

Hi, I'm Mouseinphilly. I had undone three of your contributions to this article. There are many results on Google talking about Halloween in Latin America. You should look for sources first before deleting content. If you need anything leave a message on my talk page. Mouseinphilly (talk) 11:54, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

The section was removed because it had been challenged some time ago and yet no citations had been supplied. The sources that you added after restoring the section did not support the claims in the section, which was why it was removed again. If there are sources, as you claim, they should be added to the article. The content should not be restored without sources that specifically address the claims in the section. --AussieLegend () 12:02, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
Can you stop deleting content that sources can be found with on the web? I have been to Latin America in October, so I know how the season is there. Sometimes you need experience instead of news reports. Please stop your edit warring. Mouseinphilly (talk) 13:35, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
It was another editor who deleted the sections this time. As I have explained to you several times, the content has remained unsourced for an extended period of time (well over 3 years) and was removed in accordance with Wikipedia:Verifiability. I also said that the content should not be restored without citaions yet you have persistently restored it. When I challenged the claims appropriately, you removed the {{citation needed}} tags without addressing the identified problems.[13][14] This is very disruptive and I see that you have now ignored a warning about edit-warring. For the record, " I know how this works" is not a valid source.[15] --AussieLegend () 17:00, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Hello! There is a DR/N request you may have interest in.


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The Lyon's Den

Since I can't use the promo image, at least I added "Characters" section. I'm not sure why the title card is deemed substantial, but the show was short-lived, and title cards aren't easily understood by readers. Since cast photos are not (thankfully) displayed at Getty Images website, should I use one from the website? Should I replace the title card with the cast photo (NOT the promo)? --George Ho (talk) 19:39, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

The cast photo really should go in the cast section. The article really needs expansion with a premise, episode list etc, but even with this a cast image isn't necessary. --AussieLegend () 09:06, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Kitchen Nightmares

I imagine you twigged it for yourself, but the IP who wants to open the discussion on Kitchen Nightmares, and take it to Arbcomm is my old sockie pal Roman888, back for yet another go. I'll give Courcelles a heads up when he gets back from his vacation if Roman's BS persists. Meanwhile, I've filed at SPI, although that will move with glacial speed. --Drmargi (talk) 12:02, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for correcting spacing re Townsville

Hi, ta for the spacing edit, didn't think how I spaced was the 'best', but thought I'd 'search' & get back to it. Cheers--Andrea edits (talk) 14:33, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

To achieve what you were trying to do you can use {{clear left}}. --AussieLegend () 14:49, 13 November 2013 (UTC)


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Nice job, Aussie. There's been a lot of help to me in those edits, and I appreciate it. --Drmargi (talk) 17:30, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
Oh my God! I really need to get a life! --AussieLegend () 04:12, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Matthew Timmons

Hi noticed you had something to do with actor Matthew Timmons being redirected to The Suite Life on Deck that show as since stopped airing and i think that he should have an article since he has appeared other things now. Could and would you you help me with it? ACase (talk) 06:42, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

I actually opposed redirection, but while Timmons has been in more programs, he still fails WP:NACTOR. --AussieLegend () 06:48, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
Ok Thanks!!! ACase0000 (talk) 05:53, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Invitation to Sydney editathon - Saturday 23rd November

There is a backstage pass coming up to be followed by an editathon in the State Library of New South Wales on Saturday 23 November. I'm hoping you might be able to make it down the big smoke for the occasion. This is the first time that an Australian cultural institution has opened its doors to us in this way and will be a special opportunity because the Library is providing: one of its best rooms; its expert curators (along with their expertise and their white gloves); a newly launched website (containing new resources); and of course, items from its collection (including rare and usually unavailable material) which we can look at, learn from, and use, to improve WP articles. For example, on the chosen topic (Australia and WWI), the Library holds many diaries and manuscripts from the period.

As you can see from the Library's project page, they have connected this editathon with their own work. They have already set out a wide range of resources to make things easier for us. Please sign up on the editathon project page if you can participate either online or in person with other Wikipedians. Hope to see you there! (Sorry if you've received this message before - I did a quick check but didn't see it.) 99of9 (talk) 11:03, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Cast order by MOS?

Hi AussieLegend, I noticed your reversion of my edit here. I've dug through the MOS:TV and I can't find the spot that talks about how to order cast/characters, so I was hoping to get your feedback. The Character Listing section doesn't say anything about order, nor does the Cast Information section. There is a bit that explains that producers determine main cast, which seems to be in alignment with my edit, in which I ordered the cast by credit listing. It seemed more reasonable to have an officially defined order than to deal with the children reorganizing the characters based on persona preference. Anyhow, looking forward to your info, since I appear to be missing something. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:16, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

The MOS is not clear on a lot of things, which needs to be fixed, but it has been the subject of many discussions at either the MOS talk page or WT:TV. You may have to look through recent archives to find them. It is most clearly explained in the instructions for {{Infobox television}}, which says "Cast are listed in original credit order followed by order in which new cast joined the show." --AussieLegend () 16:40, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
I'll take a look. I'd be happy to add something to that effect at the MOS. And if that's the rule, I believe my edit was consistent with the rule--I listed the main characters by original credit order according to a more recent episode, but also according to the early episode that was sourced in the article. Do you have any objection if I re-submit the information? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:22, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
"Original credit order according to a more recent episode" is contradictory. Original credit order is the order that cast were originally credited in the first episodes. As cast are added throughout the series run, cast are added to the end of the list. We don't reorder based on more recent episodes. --AussieLegend () 18:38, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
Point noted. It wasn't clear to me until I read the WikiProject discussion that we were talking about the first episode, but I get that now. However, Episode 1, "Gone in a Flash" is ordered the same way. McGrath, DiMaggio, Bennett, Stuart (followed by Jacobs, Richardson, Richter, Vernon, Strong). Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:52, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
It appears an error has crept in since we first listed the cast. We had some problems in the early days convincing people that Tara Strong was a cast member, which is why the citation is there. I've fixed the infobox. --AussieLegend () 18:57, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
Cool, thanks! Any objection if I re-order the Main characters by credited name? I asked for semi-protection recently because some kids were re-organizing the characters according to what I assume is personal preference. That's why I took it upon myself to re-re-organize off the credits, so that there is a clear standard other than "I like Rico more". Alternatively, the intro sequence calls out the characters in this order: Kowalski, Rico, Private, Skipper. But credit order makes sense to me. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:36, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
We really should have the rest of the article matching the fixed infobox so if you are willing to do that, please do so. --AussieLegend () 02:24, 23 November 2013 (UTC)


Talk:That '70s Show#Redirect all That '70s Show character pages to this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 07:25, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

November 2013

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Information icon Constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, but a recent edit of yours to the page My Babysitter's a Vampire (TV series) has an edit summary that appears to be inaccurate or inappropriate. Please use edit summaries that accurately tell other editors what you did, and feel free to use the sandbox for any tests you may want to do. Thank you. Dogmaticeclectic (talk) 06:27, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Didn't somebody just tell you about WP:DTR? The edit summaries I used were not "inaccurate or inappropriate". Your edit added unnecessary fields. When adding an infobox it is not necessary to add unused/unnecessary fields. --AussieLegend () 06:35, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
When you stated that you used the "latest version" of the infobox, a reasonable assumption - which I made - is that it was in fact supposed to be the full latest version as opposed to merely a portion. Dogmaticeclectic (talk) 06:45, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
Your assumption is misguided. Unused infobox fields are unnecessary. There's no point filling up an infobox with fields that are not used and not likely to be used so we don't generally do that, at least in TV articles. Regardless your template warning was inappropriate. --AussieLegend () 06:51, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
My template warning was absolutely appropriate. Your edit summary should have mentioned that some fields were omitted since the latest version of the infobox does not omit these fields. Dogmaticeclectic (talk) 06:57, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
No, it was NOT necessary. I said I'd updated the infobox. I had and, as I explained, we don't normally include unnecessary fields so there is no need to explain something that is an everyday convention. If you had any problems, you should have politely posted here, instead of dumping a template. --AussieLegend () 08:10, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
Whether it was "necessary" was a judgement call, and obviously one for me to make. Not including empty parameters is not "an everyday convention" from my point of view. I chose to use the template as it is in fact worded quite politely in my opinion, so I essentially did what you suggest I should have done. Dogmaticeclectic (talk) 08:23, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
Perhaps you haven't edited many articles since you registered 12 months ago, but rest assured, in my experience it is the norm. Given the changes that you made in this edit (which was apropriately reverted[16]), your warning was hypocritical. The template is a generic warning aimed mainly at new editors and as a generic warning it is pretty vague. A polite, personal query is far better when dealing with experienced editors. Don't warn far more experienced editors unless you are damn sure you're correct, as you aren't here. --AussieLegend () 08:40, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
Omitting something in an edit summary is not at all the same thing as writing something in it that could reasonably be misinterpreted. Your points regarding the template are merely opinion, not fact. Dogmaticeclectic (talk) 17:23, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
It is indeed. Omitting an explanation of what you'd actually done is the very spirit of writing an inaccurate edit summary. Failing to mention that I'd left out a few unnecessary fields is incredibly trivial. What I wrote is not mere opinion, it's based on years of experience editing Wikipedia articles and observing what the community does. anyhow, the situation is, please don't post any more inappropriate warnings to my talk page. And with that, the discussion is over. --AussieLegend () 17:46, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

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