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List of counties in Oregon in July 1, 2009

Hi Tedder and Aboutmovies, I was here at the Grand Forks Public Library [STATION_1] for 1 hour.

• 1. 726,855 Multnoham 1
• 2. 537,318 Washington
• 3. 386,143 Clackamas
• 4. 351,109 Lane
• 5. 317,981 Marion
• 6. 201,286 Jackson
• 7. 158,629 Deschutes
• 8. 116,584 Linn
• 9. 103,205 Douglas

• 10. 99,037 Yamhill
• 11. 82,605 Benton
• 12. 81,026 Josephine
• 13. 78,122 Polk
• 14. 73,347 Umatilla
• 15. 66,247 Klamath
• 16. 62,795 Coos
• 17. 49,592 Columbia
• 18. 46,293 Lincoln

• 19. 37,243 Clatsop
• 20. 30,745 Malheur
• 21. 25,038 Union
• 22. 24,889 Tillamook
• 23. 24,149 Wasco
• 24. 22,566 Crook
• 25. 21,883 Hood River
• 26. 21,148 Curry
• 27. 19,959 Jefferson

• 28. 16,082 Baker
• 29. 11,533 Morrow
• 30. 7,089 Lake
• 31. 6,889 Wallowa
• 32. 6,795 Grant
• 33. 6,756 Harney
• 34. 1,711 Sherman
• 35. 1,645 Gilliam
• 36. 1,363 Wheeler

List of counties in Oregon

Changed population in July 1, 2009

Total population in State of Oregon in 2009!

• 3,825,657 +35,597 increased up from 2008.

• 2000 - 3,421,399
• 2009 - 3,825,657
• 2014 - 4,064,906

I used to lived in Portland, Oregon for 15 days in January, February and April 2009. I went to New Avenues for Youth Next, I will visit back to Portland in November 2010! What happened about User:Katr67 is last login in February 28, 2010... I don't know happened.

Have a good day! I have watchlisted Tedder and Aboutmovies. If you reply back me or here.

Effective February 28, 2010: Typewriter #9821

Ross Degenstein I am 1,120 weeks old. I living in Grand Forks, North Dakota 58201. I am deaf. 165.234.184.69 (talk) 01:52, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Stacy Harris

Seriously, you are an administrator, and you did little more than add a minor tag to Stacy Harris? The article is a joke and only exists because it's being being protected by a number of IPs and newly registered IDs. Flowanda | Talk 10:54, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

It's a mess. What do you expect? I can't do it all, and I've been spread pretty thin lately. tedder (talk) 11:59, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

My apologies. I've begun documenting my edits at Talk: Stacy Harris#Itemized list of edits since I have found little to support this person's notability. Flowanda | Talk 02:34, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks...

...for your contribution to the article Canis lupus dingo! Chrisrus (talk) 14:58, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

I'm just cleaning up on a report- glad it's noticed, I think tedder (talk) 15:01, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't understand "clearing up on a report". Chrisrus (talk) 15:34, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

I was working through this list of problems. tedder (talk) 15:36, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Ok, I see. Thank you for teaching me about this. You do good work. Chrisrus (talk) 16:45, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

At it again

Hi, just wanted to let you know, Dpd esq doesn't seemed to have taken the hint [1] -Legitimus (talk) 19:36, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Re: Keller Fountain Park

I have to say, for the record, that you did a wonderful job expanding the Keller Fountain Park article and I think you should nominate it for Good status like you did with South Park Blocks. There can't be much missing information, it is well-written, and apart from perhaps a picture of the fountain actually running I am not sure the article could be much better. Give it some consideration--you deserve the recognition! --Another Believer _(Talk) 03:55, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Albany, Oregon

Hello tedder,

I have seen you edit on Albany, Oregon before and I am looking for so slightly more expert advice on what to do with it next, what I can do to improve it. I have added alot of material to it and need people to look it over and tell me what would make it better. I am still very new to the Wiki process and I think fresh eyes would help me make it a better article and maybe get it to B-Class.MathewDill (talk) 06:06, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

ArticleAlertbot?

I think, judging by WP:BOTN#ArticleAlertBot, quite a few people are interested in getting an update as to whether any progress has been made on the bot. No pressure... Brambleclawx 22:11, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

ugh! Yeah, I should do it. I've been a little busy getting a job and a job in a new city. tedder (talk) 23:01, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Dariusz Krzysztof Zawislak

Dear Tedder, Like U can see from 2009 many people change maind regrding this subject, and they finally agree that is definitelly wiki. In Poland and

   * Català
   * Español
   * Italiano
   * Português
   * Русский
   * Slovenčina

So please consider recreate this page back, its not a spam. Discusion in english wiki was created by some opportunists and was not necessery stimulated specially by one interwiki antagonist. Now looking form perspective in my opinion is ok. Best M. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.76.120.12 (talk) 14:29, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

It was deleted via consensus at AFD, not simply by me: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dariusz Zawiślak. See WP:AFTERDELETE. tedder (talk) 15:34, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Deletion of subpage of Philadelphia Phillies all-time roster

Tedder, I wish you would have checked with me before deleting Philadelphia Phillies all-time roster/TOC. I apologize if I seem rude about it, but you've just created a whole lot more work for me. I'm in the midst of a giant project, and I needed that page for navigability purposes. It makes it a whole lot more difficult when that project is complete if I have to store that table of contents in my userspace. I appreciate the necessity of not linking to userspace from articlespace, but that transclusion wasn't even being used in the mainspace, and wouldn't have been until the separate roster pages were moved into the articlespace. Obviously, I'm not going to wheel-war you; I just wanted you to be aware of my concerns. Thanks. — KV5 • Talk • 11:54, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Well, the real answer is to create it in your userspace or not have userspace links in mainspace. Why not just create it in your userspace and then move it when it was ready for use? tedder (talk) 12:45, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Because that's what creates the additional work. It's not a particularly big deal; I just now have to go back and re-do everything, and then the additional work that I have to do will get moved back to that subpage anyway. — KV5 • Talk • 14:33, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Sock puppet advice

Not sure the appropriate venue or if this is even an issue. I noticed you in the past had a back and forth with User_talk:Rossdegenstein over his disruptive edits, which lead to his block. He continues to use IPs to circumvent his block, and is now editing several North Dakota community pages. I reverted some of his data because he was making erroneous connections, but by and large the census data he's adding is accurate, notwithstanding the poor citations and lack of reasonable edit summaries. The language of the edit summaries leads me to believe Ross is the one using them, since he posted a reply on my talk page. His most recent string his here and the previous here. Both IPs are one's he acknowledges using on his talk page. Since they appear to be at public libraries, blocking him further would likely be difficult.

I watch all of the North Dakota city pages, and am monitoring his edits and reverting as needed. Again, so far his edits do not seem to be disruptive, so I'm not concerned. However, given his past history and general ignorance of policy and willingness to commnicate, I'm approaching this with caution. Just wanted to get a second opinion.DCmacnut<> 21:10, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, rossdegenstein is headache. I don't know why the editor is so obsessed with census data and can't cite it properly. It's been perhaps a year since they started. tedder (talk) 21:20, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Yes, This is Ross Degenstein. I scared and read your message. Today I E-mailed to Unblock, Chris, Fred and Jimmy, I cannot edit my User:Rossdegenstein has semi-protect & whole blocked. I went to my Options/preferences. I deleted and erased all my preferences. I moved to RossDege88. Now I using and edit in another my User:RossDege88 in my discussion tab. How do I know about Wikipedia. I viewed WP:SOCK and WP:Wiki markup What say "Do not bias discussions by asking for supporters from other places (meatpuppetry)." I don't know words. Because I am deaf. My name is Ross Degenstein. I am 21.6 years old. I live in Grand Forks, North Dakota. I got graduated of North Dakota School for the Deaf in Devils Lake in 2010. Oh why I went to Oregon I lived in Portland for 15 days in January, February and April 2009. I lived in the street. July 1, 2009 Population Estimate 566,141. I knew about four tilde ~~~~ is signature, Edit Summery, Wiki Markup, etc. I undestood. I don't know how to Revert. I undid by 1 user in the Edit Summery. About Census Data. More click and see Portland Pop Est 2009, City Population DE Oregon list of cities in 2009, U.S. Census 2009 and PSU Estimate 2009, etc. I myself edit in all over cities, counties and states in the United States. Few weeks ago I edited in Washington, Oregon, North Dakota and Minnesota, etc. But, I have never been to vandalize. And I have 11 IPs addresses. I have been touching the computer with IP on Wikipedia. Remember I gave you list of cities in Oregon in 2009 and list of counties in Oregon in 2009, etc. You deleted both. I read and viewed WP:DNFTT. I saw images google is Never feed the trolls. I was laugh and silly LOL.

* 208.107.209.212 is My home.

• 208.107.171.160 is Media Center Room at Link Apartment. (here)
• 208.107.123.63 is Media Center Room at Link Apartment. (here)
• 184.234.184.69 is Grand Forks, North Dakota Public Library.
• 96.3.201.230 is East Grand Forks Campbell Library.
• 24.111.99.223 is Lake Region Public Library in Devils Lake, North Dakota.
• 66.163.131.108 is Trails West Motel Office in Devils Lake, North Dakota.
• 204.169.161.1 is Hennepin County Library in Minneapolis, Minnesota.
• 216.243.156.225 is YouthLink in Minneapolis, Minnesota.
• 66.220.208.17 is Blue Earth County Library in Mankato, Minnesota
• 69.24.180.92 is Super 8 Motel in Mankato, Minnesota
• Etc.

My home don't have a internet has blocked, too dangerous, security system, and high volume, etc. Happened about 2 IP 208.107.109.212 and 208.107.171.160 has blacklisted. I called the tech. The tech changed new IP address access internet. In March 2010 and July 2010 I was freak and angry! My computer is broken at home from you & Wikipedia event vandalize is yellow rectangle on IP address discussion! Ross Degenstein (talk) --208.107.123.63 (talk) 02:22, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

dreadcentral

Zombie433 has continued to spam dreadcentral.com, and when I investigated for any recent spam reports, I saw yours here. Today, he did this and this, clearly adding URLs where they were not necessary. Considering his trend with this website, it may be better to seek action against the editor and not the website. Do you want to follow up on this? Regards, Erik (talk | contribs) 19:58, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Yep, I agree. The editor has obviously seen the spam warnings because they move them to the archive by hand, so I've blocked them until they choose to discuss it. tedder (talk) 20:14, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Well, that was easier than I thought. Thank you! Erik (talk | contribs) 20:29, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for not playing school prefect!

Thanks.

That is a good approach which encourages good editing ... rather than all the usual twats on this website who like to play being school prefects or spen their time snitching and grassing on others.

In case you or others are interested, as a bit of fun, I moved a few bike related userboxes over to here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Userboxes/Motorcycles.

Best wishes. --Triton Rocker (talk) 03:23, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, I think, but what's the context on this? tedder (talk) 03:50, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Bot

Hi

Is there any chance you can give an update/progress report on the ArticleAlertbot problem ??

Hoping that you can get it working but if not can you put a note somewhere on the chat pages that we were all using ?

Thanks Chaosdruid (talk) 02:47, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

I'm in the middle of a major life event (moving, jobs, you name it) so I don't have a lot of time to look into it. I've merely opened the jar in eclipse, but there may be a handful of problems I have to fix before I can even attempt to run it, let alone upgrade the login issue. tedder (talk) 02:57, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Thx for the update :¬) Chaosdruid (talk) 19:38, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Cedar Lake

• Context: Cedar Lake (California)

I was told if an article is created of a real place, just that fact was good enough for reference, unfortunately I have not found that discussion or guideline "Yet". The tag I just removed said this tag "can be removed for any reason", and I have left my reason on the talk page. the tag that I removed also says "do not replace" I do believe I have some ground to work with here. Can we open a discussion on the article page ? Mlpearc powwow 17:03, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

I didn't replace the PROD tag, I moved to an AFD, which is the next step in the process. Things can exist and not be encyclopedic. For instance, I live in a building that doesn't warrant an article on Wikipedia. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist, though. tedder (talk) 17:47, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for closing the AfD. Best regards,--Stepheng3 (talk) 22:26, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

		The Article Rescue Barnstar
		Thank you very much for helping in the rescue of this "Not so longer obscure article" Cedar Lake Mlpearc powwow 16:08, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

I want to thank you very much. What a wonderful job. I feel so bad, after yelling "HELP". This was my last edit to Cedar Lake[2]. Four hrs. after that edit I was in the hospital getting prepared for an emergency appendectomy. I was just released from the hospital yesterday afternoon. All went well and I am fine. But I still have praise for you and everyone that participated in the AfD. My wife set up my laptop when I got settled in and my browser opens to the last page it was on when shut down. It was Cedar Lake. After I signed in I had a message waiting for me at my talk page, so I went there first, when I came back to cedar lake the first thing I noticed it wasn't flagged for deletion :). What a wonderful "Editors to the Rescue" collaboration. Again Thank You Very Much.

P.S. Thank you for your time and understanding, and I don't see it as you being "wrong", good editors are suppose to question the things you did. Mlpearc powwow 16:08, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

TedderBot

Looks like the TedderBot is taking a break...intentional? --Esprqii (talk) 18:18, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

It's being moved from here to here. Mayhaps be on when it gets there this weekend, but it might not until I'm reunited with it around the 15th. And I have a toolserver account now, so I really need to move it there instead of my home server. There's a lack of round tuits, time, etc. tedder (talk) 22:35, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Oh gosh, just stay out of the kitchen there. Sorry we never had our lunch! Happy travels! --Esprqii (talk) 22:47, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

There's still time for lunch- I'm living as a bachelor from the 3rd to the 13th in PDX- no transportation, no furniture, no kitchen.. so it's a good time if you can come in to town. tedder (talk) 22:54, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Request to License

Hello, as per your Commons profile I am contacting to get attribution info for your photo http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Portland_International_Raceway_entrance.jpg to be used on StadiumsUSA.com, as an illustration for the PIR listing. Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Helenaak (talk • contribs) 17:06, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks- it simply needs to be attributed to 'Tedder'. tedder (talk) 17:09, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. Helenaak —Preceding undated comment added 17:16, 11 August 2010 (UTC).

Template:Schoolblock

Hi Tedder. It's been seven days, and as you'll see, the response has been overwhelming. Could you execute the edits, please? --Bsherr (talk) 23:42, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

I haven't forgotten, I'm just crazy busy. I'll get to it in the next day or three. If I don't, feel free to put up the editprotected template and someone will come along. tedder (talk) 05:46, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Newcomb's Ranch

Nice work. Thanks for writing that.   Will Beback  talk  06:30, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome! tedder (talk) 13:14, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

FlexRAID

You PRODded this, and it was deleted. Undeletion has now been requested at WP:REFUND, so per WP:DEL#Proposed deletion I have restored it, and now notify you in case you wish to take it to WP:Articles for deletion. The article is a mess, it's evident from the REFUND request that there is COI at work, and the author has clearly no idea what an encyclopedia article should be like; but a quick Google suggests that, despite the unpromising opening words "FlexRAID is a current ambition to create a smart RAID system" there is actually something there. I don't know what would be best to do - stub it and challenge the author to demonstrate notability? I don't have the time or energy. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 10:35, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Hollywood Sex Wars

Hey there, I believe the page I created for Hollywood Sex Wars has been deleted. Can I recover my HTML text at least? That way, when we reach the trades I can put it back up?

Thanks

(Zepolekim (talk) 02:44, 7 September 2010 (UTC))

Hi- I can userify it for you. In other words, put it at User:Zapolekim/Hollywood Sex Wars. How's that sound? tedder (talk) 03:03, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

LA Articles

I am working on all the cities in the San Gabriel Valley and a couple others. Please come step on my toes , LOL! Regards and Namaste--DocOfSoc (talk)

Heh, sounds good! Feel free to drop me a line if you need a third opinion, need admin help, etc. tedder (talk) 01:31, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

OK TYVM, will do!--DocOfSoc (talk) 01:38, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Ran across this today,Greater Los Angeles It's a real mess. Just an FYI because it isn't on my list. I know you are busy, busy, but it is exciting to have you working on L.A.! Namaste--DocOfSoc (talk) 11:32, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

"Tone" Tag on Allied Artists International

• Context: Allied Artists International

Hi Tedder,

Thank you for any assistance you can provide me in improving the article on Allied Artists International. I am not well experienced in writing articles for Wikipedia and certainly want the best article possible. I did ask an Admin to review the article after I wrote it, and he said "article looks ok." I read the various comments left on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Allied_Artists_International and none of them really explain what you find objectionable about the article. Can you please help me understand what it is that you consider to present a problem with the "tone" of the article and maybe make some suggestions as to what I can do to improve it. My main concern to start with was to provide as many references as possible. Then, I wanted to further improve the article as time goes on by adding a listing of notable films, actors signed to the studio, etc. Again, thank you for any direction or assistance you can provide in correcting anything you find wrong with the article.--Warriorboy85 (talk) 05:59, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Hi- it isn't written from a very neutral point of view. It almost appears to be written with a conflict of interest; an example is the phase "the rich history of Allied Artists Pictures has endured the test of time". Additionally, the article is written with some legalese and a lot of focus on the bankruptcy and trademark ruling. It doesn't help that you've created redirects from the various subsidiaries back to AAI; it makes the article look more complete, when in reality half of the wikilinks on the page simply go right back to AAI. tedder (talk) 14:40, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Hi Tedder - Sometimes it's hard to please everyone, but I am trying. This article was at the root of a huge dispute nearly a year ago because of a lawsuit over who was the rightful owners of the Allied Artists trademarks. Since then, Allied Artists International had a court ruling that it in fact owned the trademarks and the other party was permanently enjoined from any further trademark violations. Who owns the trademarks and how they came to own them is a significant part of the story. I believe I now understand what you mean about the tone, especially from the standpoint of writing from a neutral point of view. I am not part of Allied Artists International, but I am very familiar with the history of Allied Artists and thought it was terrible when the original article was defaced by the defendants in that lawsuit. I did not want to be part of an edit war (which occurred back then) so I did not attempt to write a new article. However, after so much time passed, I asked permission from Rlevse to write a new article. After I wrote it, I asked him to take a look, which he did. Although he said it looked OK to him, I can see why you feel it needs to have some changes. I made a quick change this evening and will try to do more tomorrow. Thank you again for your help and information. I hope you don't mind my calling on you for help to make sure the article comes out properly. As I said before, I'm not experienced in this and just want to make sure I don't violate any Wikipedia rules or procedures. --Warriorboy85 (talk) 10:04, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Junk Removal Company

Hello Tedder. Thank you for your help with the Junk King Article that I helped draft. Is there a way to keep the article completely neutral without having a direct reference to 1-800-GOT-JUNK? I would be glad to oblige by any neutrality or COI rules, but it seems unnecessary to add this reference when the SF Gate article being referenced has more pertinent information in regards to the company's founding - including the then booming real estate market that prompted the founders to launch the company. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.181.180.210 (talk) 17:43, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

The 800-GOT-JUNK bit is entirely relevant and related to the Junk King article- in other words, it explains where the idea for Junk King came from. Feel free to add additional information, but removing it (and adding many other things) really pushes the WP:COI and WP:ADVERT lines. This is not the company website of Junk King, it is a page to explain the company from a neutral point of view. tedder (talk) 18:13, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

OK - would it be possible for me to modify the statement and remove Brian Reardon in reference to having worked at 1-800 GOT JUNK, as I don't believe that statement is true (The SF Gate article references Mike Andreacchi having worked there but not Brian) Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.181.180.210 (talk) 18:57, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

You're right- I went back and re-read the article, only Mike worked there according to the article. tedder (talk) 19:14, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Meme

I find your doing that a bit pointy, if you would like something to do would you delete this thanks. Off2riorob (talk) 15:41, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

See the context at Talk:Meme Molly and please reply there. tedder (talk) 15:46, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Adam Carolla

• Context: edit, warning

Tedder please do not warn my IP (167.127.218.62) but rather me for those comments, I had a source, I went to find the reference for it and the source had changed so I deleted the content. If I am doing this in the wrong section it is because I don't know where to do this otherwise.

Yeahha (talk) 18:20, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

That IP is who added the information and then deleted it. It's completely false information, and biographies of living people must be carefully handled. tedder (talk) 18:24, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Glendale Notable Joseph Stroud

I had never heard of Joseph Stroud until I saw that you had deleted his name from the list of Glendale notables. It seems to me that if he is from Glendale and he is notable enough for there to have been an article about him since December 2008, then he is notable enough to be mentioned in the article on Glendale. I have reverted your edit Sterrettc (talk) 23:17, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Joseph Stroud is/was a redlink, and that's what I looked at. I didn't search for Joseph Stroud (poet). In other words, I agree with you- note my edit summary said "create article first" because it was a redlink. tedder (talk) 23:21, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Brandon Richards

Thanks for fixing this article up. I think the original author had a POV, maybe without realizing it, and frankly I'm not knowledgeable enough about track and field (even though I'm a sports writer — uh oh!) to do it myself. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 00:35, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome. I'm not a sports writer, I don't play one on TV, and the closest I get to sports is editing articles on Wikipedia. I couldn't leave the weirdness of the page alone, especially the "asterisk" comment. tedder (talk) 00:36, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure how either of you, who admit to not understanding the sport, feel more qualified to rewrite the article, but that seems the nature of the WP oligarchy. I'm experienced enough in this to know if i revert this all it will do is cause more trouble. What you have successfully done is confuse points that were perfectly clear. Does the phrase "five years later" connect? Citation needed? Its right there in the (source) all time list--assuming the accuracy of the list, which is pretty dependable, the highest mark on that list will be their personal record. You have certainly managed to reduce the article into a stub--we have bots roaming WP criticizing articles based on size, now making this a potential problem article. Instead I tried to include the details that his interest in "the family business" came from himself, not his little league dad. I tried to explain the complicated details of why he chose not to compete for his high school team--there is even a backstory on how he ended up at that high school, parents staying in a motel to allow him to do so, all based around his exceptional ability. From the sports perspective, its rather, OK I can say "weird" on a talk page. Maybe my version was too concise, you eliminated it entirely. This was the story of a kid who was an exceptional record setter in high school. A notable story under WP:Athlete. Instead of continuing to improve at the same exponential rate, he only improved marginally through college while others screamed past him, so we aren't talking about the Olympic medals he acheived. He fell off the map 20 years ago. At a current age of 43, I don't expect he'll do anything remarkable as a pole vaulter in the future. This was just an article to say who he was, not to point to him as a failure--perhaps except to his own expectations or those who thought about his potential. Trackinfo (talk) 01:23, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Please, no sour grapes, Trackinfo. Feel free to improve it- it'd be nice to see more reliable sources than a personal web hosting provider, for instance. The story about asking for a vault pit at age 5- that sounds like a zillion child prodigies in auto racing, motorcycle racing, acting, and athletes too. It's an anecdotal story that doesn't contribute to the encyclopedic knowledge of the individual, more something that is told around the dining table. The difference is the other biographies are fleshed out to keep from undue weight being placed on one or two trivial stories. Stubifying an article is a method of improving an article by removing what doesn't belong. tedder (talk) 01:39, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

I would expect the Chicago Tribune and L.A. Times to be regarded as reliable sources--their content anecdotal to their standards of quoting dad. The age 5 thing was the Tribune's lede. Track and Field News and Dyestat are sport specific sources--usually the most reliable sources we have. CSTV is the CBS owned sports information site for major universities. Within the Track and Field community, there are a few fanatical self hosted websites that keep deeper statistics. I'm guessing polevaultpower or the bredland site qualify under those. The only real difference between the two is that Eddie Seese at pvp took the extra step of registering a domain for his personal site. Yes I know who he is and trust his work. While their efforts are at the limits of the individual running the sites, I've never seen anything to question their reliability. Frankly, so impressive was his record, Brandon fell so far off the map, I had trouble finding much of anything after his record. I'd actually like to do a "where are they now" with this, but all I can find is his younger brother is coaching in Texas and mentions . . . the record. I thought I wrote a fairly accurate and balanced article, but in typical WP style, Reallyhick decided I had some sort of POV or agenda with it and got you involved. I've got a half dozen more articles about these high school flashes in the pan, who set records then didn't advance to the next level. I'm expecting more unnecessary heat. Trackinfo (talk) 02:13, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of The Actors Workshop

I removed the prod you placed on The Actors Workshop in light of the comment placed on the article talk page. Compliance with policy/procedure is the only reason I did this; I have no prejudice to opening an AfD. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 21:02, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. tedder (talk) 22:15, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Quality of Expo Line station articles

Hello, I come in the spirit of wanting to understand. I created most of the station articles for the L.A. Metro Expo Line, for which you created talk pages today. All of the new talk pages you created include templates for WikiProject California and WikiProject Trains, marked with class/quality scale of "start".

Now maybe I'm misunderstanding something, but how does an article like Bergamot (Los Angeles Metro station) rate a quality level of "start"? It's not huge, but it is detailed, well-organized and contains nine well-placed and reliable references. I realize that some of the Expo Line station articles may be considered trivial or lacking details. But certainly the Bergamot article contains at least enough quality for a "C", if not a "B". Am I wrong? -- Jcovarru (talk) 18:53, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Hey Jcovarru, I tend to choose between 'start' and 'stub' when adding projects to an article without projects. Feel free to rerate yourself or request me to rerate them (such as Bergamot). That specific example is certainly a C, though I'd say it needs some improvements for a B, such as photos/diagrams/maps and full citations on refs. tedder (talk) 18:57, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Cool, thanks. --Jcovarru (talk) 18:59, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Henry Thomas (athlete)

I have clarified the HUH you left in this article and a few other ambiguous points. The key question remaining on the article is, where did he go. Well I know, but can't source, that Thomas was arrested, convicted and incarcerated for 17 years, starting about 1990. This is a forum entry. Unfortunately, the name is so common, particularly as first and middle names that appear in legal documents, (plus there is an actor E.T. and a sports agent who have the same name) that I can't find the right material. How does one even ask for help on an issue like this that even the suggestion of it could be regarded as defamatory if not sourced? Trackinfo (talk) 18:03, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. I figured you could easily handle that ambiguity. Unfortunately I think the best way to handle the "where did he go?" question is to wait for the mainstream media to cover it and then reference that. If it appears to be WP:OR, especially with BLP issues, it's a problem. tedder (talk) 23:07, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Revert at Joseph Smith

Yeah, you're right. I've been trying to be a good boy at JS. No offense, but Padillah has been a better admin fit in bringing peace to the article and I find I can work w/ him. I just find that Duke53 (who IS trolling, IMHO) bring out the worst in a guy. My apologies for the sarcasm. My real intent was to get him to back off the article. I spoke poorly, and now I see it would only encourage him, so thanks for the quick revert.

Canadiandy1 (talk) 01:53, 29 September 2010 (UTC)Canadiandy

No problem. You've been civil, and there's no reason to poke someone. tedder (talk) 02:00, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Tedderbot

Appears to be down since Monday... --Esprqii (talk) 23:12, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

The machine it's on has been dead since Monday. I have toolserver access but they have some weird configuration issues that have kept me from running it there- argh.

In any case, I'll bring it up on a home server or on toolserver Real Soon Now. Sunday, perhaps? tedder (talk) 23:24, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

No worries. Just making sure you knew (I was sure you did, but just in case...) --Esprqii (talk) 23:27, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

I understand, and it's worth checking, because I run lots of little tools, this is the only one I really notice being alive or dead. tedder (talk) 23:45, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

St. Mary's School (Medford, Oregon)

Many of the edits you have made (and continually enforce) are misleading and erroneous. You keep changing my edits by stating that St. Mary's School is a boarding institution. St. Mary's School is NOT a boarding institution. While there is a boarding exchange program available for foreign students coming from The People's Republic of China (coordinated through Southern Oregon University) this program does not extent to other students.

You have provided NO citation to substantiate this particular claim.

Secondly, according to St. Mary's School's promotional website, the school is the first Confucius Classroom in North and South America (a fact that you continually rephrase in a misleading manner).

"The People's Republic of China has named St. Mary's School the VERY FIRST Confucius Classroom in North or South America. This award gives southern Oregon students and community members unprecedented access to Chinese language studies, travel to China, and friendship-building opportunities with Chinese students, teachers, and professors."

<http://www.stmarys.medford.or.us/confucius/index.shtml> —Preceding unsigned comment added by Filmmanvick16 (talk • contribs) 01:21, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi Filmmanvick. You are right, the boarding institution text should be removed, because there are no citations to support that. In terms of the Confucius Classroom issue, the school states it is the first CC, but (a) the school's discussion of itself is essentially PR and not a reliable source, (b) there are more reliable sources that indicate the first 20 CC high schools in the US (let alone north/south america) didn't even include St. Mary's. Here's another article.

In other words, I'm not disputing that St. Mary's is a CC, but the first? That's a suspect claim that needs a much more verifiable source, especially since there are "counterclaims" to the claim. Feel free to tweak the wording on the article page, but the edits by an IP (presumably you, given your attitude here) were very slanted towards the school and indicated a conflict of interest. You'll note that I discussed the rationale for changes in my edit summaries, which is one way to gauge intent. I also invited you (as the IP, and are you also Rnaumes (talk · contribs)?) to discuss the changes on the article talk page, which would be a great place for a discussion about the CC program. tedder (talk) 01:42, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Filmmanvick16, for how many years are we going to keep this up? This is the same old problem the article has had for at least two years where the broader community has repetitively said no to using nothing but school sources, especially for claims such as that made about the Confucius Classroom. I understand you love your school, but that is not what Wikipedia is about. So, let's get rid of the boarding claim and drop the first Confucius Classroom item for all the reasons tedder has given. Aboutmovies (talk) 05:14, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

When you have time

Would you go to my talk page? You helped with this twit (my Bad) before. Thanks! Namaste...DocOfSoc (talk) 05:46, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

OK...you want him to chastise me about putting NPA warnings on people's talk pages...and you do this by calling me a twit, which is an NPA violation!!! In addition, I can find no record of the first incident of NPA accusations leading to an ANI thread involving me and her, and the only previous time involved questioning her reverts of my edits on the Whittier, California page Purplebackpack89 07:40, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Sigh. You two work things out, okay? I'm not touching this. tedder (talk) 10:56, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

You are a wise man Tedder. DocOfSoc (talk) 09:59, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Copyright permission for "Arts Schools Network" article

Hello, I am new to posting articles on Wikipedia so hope that I am following the appropriate procedure to ask that you review the deletion of the "Arts Schools Network" article that I posted. As I understand it, I did not have the proper permission to use content from the Arts Schools Network website. I have since asked the organization's Executive Director for permission, and she emailed granting this permission to Wikipedia. Her email was sent to permissions-en@wikimedia.org and permissions-commons@wikimedia.org on Friday, October 1, at 8:26 AM. I hope that this will result in your restoring my article to Wikipedia. Thank you.

ASNwiki2010 (talk) 21:45, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi, as I understand it you will get a reply from those email addresses when they have verified that your copyright permission has been okayed. I can restore the article then, but FYI you'll still need to meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines. In other words, there should be information from verifiable and reliable independent sources with significant coverage. This might be major newspapers who have covered what Arts Schools Network is, for instance- but not just a mention of ASN. tedder (talk) 23:39, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Bethel Coopwood and WikiProject Latter Day Saint movement project

I'm a bit confused as to why you included Bethel Coopwood in the Wikipedia:WikiProject Latter Day Saint movement. Other then the fact the he bought land from people who had bought the land in the past from "leaders of the Mormon colonists of San Bernardino", I don't see why he is included in this project. That WikiProject includes "elements of the Latter Day Saint movement, Mormonism, Latter Day Saint history, doctrine, practices, and other cultural effects inspired by Joseph Smith, Jr.". I'm I missing something that would make this statement applies here? Including every person who has ever done business with a Mormon would he highly impractical and of no value. However, I know nothing of Bethel Coopwood which is why I’m asking.--ARTEST4ECHO ^talk 15:35, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Hey- feel free to remove Coopwood from the Mormon project. I have a pet peeve about new articles that don't have even basic projects added, so I skimmed the article and guessed at the projects that might be involved. tedder (talk) 15:47, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Ok I will. To be honest you just had me confuses, which isn't that hard. I just didn't see a connection and though you might know something I didn't.--ARTEST4ECHO ^talk 18:49, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

No problem. Just a normal case of Hanlon's razor tedder (talk) 18:53, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

HAHAHA, I love it. I'll have to remember Hanlon's razor!--ARTEST4ECHO ^talk 19:51, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

If you like that, compare/contrast Murphy's law and Muphry's law. tedder (talk) 20:50, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Albert Greenwood Brown

Thank you for taking the initiative to assess this article. I had yet not sought one as the circumstances described in the article are still unfolding, but would like to know if you have any quick suggestions or comments to improve it. KimChee (talk) 21:42, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi- I tend to go around and include projects in neglected articles and stumbled across the Brown article. Really, what needs expansion is non-current-event items about Brown, such as his upbringing. That's my initial take, at least. tedder (talk) 22:30, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Thank you again. On a separate note, I found an aerial photo for Stringfellow Acid Pits. KimChee (talk) 00:44, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

redirecting D'Penguineers to Dos Pueblos Engineering Academy

If you don't mind, I'll start merging the two articles. hello, i'm a member | talk to me! 02:27, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Yes- feel free! BTW, I'd suggest merging Bobcat Robotics back, also. tedder (talk) 02:29, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Link on page Tapping the Vein

Recently you deleted a link on the following page, Tapping the Vein. All I am asking is for your reasons why? Also, it would have been polite of you to let me know you'd done it on my talk page. OopsISwearALots (talk) 22:28, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm unsure of what page you are talking about. Tapping the Vein has only had four edits, none of them me: history. Can you educate me? Additionally, please read about page ownership; you don't own pages on Wikipedia. tedder (talk) 00:01, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Aha! You are talking about Tapping The Vein (not Tapping the Vein), which had a link to your userspace. Links to userspace from the main space of Wikipedia are not allowed- for one, it implies that User:OopsISwearALots/Tapping the Vein (band) is actually an article, not a draft of an article that doesn't necessarily need Wikipedia's standards. That's why my edit summary said "rm userspace link/signature from mainspace". I'd strongly encourage you to note the edit summaries and to use them on your own edits. Again WP:OWN applies. tedder (talk) 00:10, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Ahh, no worries then. Thank you for the pointers and explaining a few rules :o) OopsISwearALots (talk) 22:48, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

correction

• Context: Darren White (politician), my edit

Re: the piece you removed on Darren White, the writing was not lifted word for word. It was a synopsis mostly in my own words. Is that allowed? I went back and honestly tried to figure out what got you so wrankled so a clarification is appreciated. Again, it was a synopsis not word for word. Stevonmfl (talk) 01:15, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

First, the only reason I found it is that you signed your contribution. Signatures don't belong in articles. The major problem was the copyright violation. To honor the legal system, it's important that article text be substantially different than what an article said. What you wrote appeared to be primarily the source article with a few words run through a thesaurus.

Here's an example.

Text from the article: "The ruling came in a 2006 class-action lawsuit filed by attorneys Shannon and Joseph Kennedy. Joseph Kennedy estimates damages in the BCSO lawsuit to be as much as $3 million."

Your text: "The ruling came in a 2006 class-action lawsuit filed by attorneys Shannon and Joseph Kennedy. Kennedy estimates damages to be as much as $3 million..."

Those are clearly using the same source. tedder (talk) 04:45, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

topic for my article

hi, thank you so much for the advice. i will no longer sign on edits :D Im working on a project for my business class, do you think you can advice me on the topic?Auroraaurora (talk) 01:16, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

The mentor project is a great way to find people to help- that's what I suggest. tedder (talk) 03:42, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Signature

Hi there, I'm just wondering, my signature is really long, so it might annoy some editors, is it okay is I change it to this to significantly reduce the size? : (please see in editing mode) --Addihockey10 ^e-mail 20:57, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Nevermind, sorry for the disruption. --Addihockey10^{E-mail this user}

Need your help on a biker culture topic.

Hi, since you're the resident motorcycle maniac, I hope to learn from you why a biker bar wouldn't want anyone to request Bruce Springsteen songs. Thanks. --70.179.178.5 (talk) 06:06, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Hey- I have no clue. I don't know much about the biker bar culture. tedder (talk) 16:25, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Restore deleted Arts Schools Network article

Hello again, Re: Arts Schools Network article you deleted because of copyright concerns I've received notice from Wikipedia that I now have permission to use the content of the Arts Schools Network article: We received an OTRS permission, releasing the content of http://artsschoolsnetwork.org/ to CC-BY-SA 3.0 - Jcb (talk) 14:47, 27 October 2010 (UTC) Are you able to restore it? Thanks, ASNwiki2010 (talk) 15:32, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

 Done What was the OTRS ticket number? tedder (talk) 15:43, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Editing soldiers medal recipents list

Im new to wiki and was wondering if u could teach me how to edit this page. I want to add a recipient of this award. My email is jjelq@yahoo.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.205.140.185 (talk) 19:11, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia! I'd suggest creating an account, and also asking about what you are trying to add on WP:HELPDESK. I'm not 100% sure what page you are talking about, but generally lists of people are confined to those who are notable- for instance, they have an article on Wikipedia that meets WP:BIO. tedder (talk) 19:24, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Re: Arts Schools Network - Thanks, here's the number: OTRS ticket 2010100110005268 —Preceding unsigned comment added by ASNwiki2010 (talk • contribs) 20:21, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Re: Mt. Hood pic

Sorry, I forgot to remove it. Those are my initials. Do I have to remove it? --Truflip99 (talk) 03:17, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

You don't have to remove it, but honestly I'm wondering if that's your picture or if you found it somewhere. What date did you take the picture? What camera? tedder (talk) 03:21, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

• Here's the flickr version: http://www.flickr.com/photos/15875838@N03/3214030736/ . It was taken with a Sony digital camera I had several years ago from Pittock Mansion grounds. The watermark was added because I posted it in a forum. I will remove and update it. --Truflip99 (talk) 03:30, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Aha, thanks. I was suspicious about its origins, but that clears it up. tedder (talk) 04:05, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

User:ZlFing

Hi tedder. Thank you for blocking User:ZlFing. It appears that ZlFing has made the same nonsensical edit to about 80 articles. Is there any simple way to undo all those edits, apart from manually reverting each one? Thanks. DH85868993 (talk) 13:59, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Offhand, not that I know of. The easiest is with rollback. That user must be a sock. tedder (talk) 15:54, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Help restoring deleted article

• Context: Rare Coin Wholesalers

Hi, In regards to the Rare Coin Wholesalers article you deleted because of copyright concerns I have full copyright permissions on everything from the deleted page Rare Coin Wholesalers. What do I need to do to restore the page? Thanks, --NYNumismatist (talk) 17:07, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Hi- please follow this: Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission#When_permission_is_confirmed. After they have given an OK, if they haven't restored the page let me know the OTRS ticket number and I'll do so. The article will still need to meet WP:GNG. tedder (talk) 17:33, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Hi, I don't think the image can go up because the owner/creator sounds reluctant to get a free license allow for any purpose, including commercial purposes. I'm pretty sure you can't get a creative commons license for works that have a cc by-nc-nd license onto Wikipedia, am I correct? But then how do other major corporations set up their images?In other words, how do I set up a non-free use image? Also, can the page go back in the interim without the image or was there something wrong in the text as well? NYNumismatist (talk) 20:25, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

As I understand it, that image can't be allowed. I can look up the proper noticeboard if you want to confirm. But the reason the page was deleted was for the text, not the image; large portions of the text were copied from elsewhere. Either contact OTRS with permissions or create the page using original wording (which is more than simply taking a thesaurus to various words). tedder (talk) 20:36, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

The article in question had a lot of material, and since I wasn't sure which parts were considered copyright infringements, I rewrote a more succinct article at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:NYNumismatist/RCWDraft. If this is unacceptable for any cause please let me know and I can get those parts approved before the article can be restored. NYNumismatist (talk) 18:49, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

That version works for me- I mean, it doesn't appear to violate the copyvio at first glance. Obviously I'm not judging it for WP:ORG and such, but I don't have any concerns about RCWDraft being in mainspace. tedder (talk) 18:53, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! Reposted. I believe notability shouldn't be a major issue because of plenty of third party coverage for this company, but we'll see. NYNumismatist (talk) 22:47, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Article 10K

Guess we blew it...oh well. What was the actual article 10K? We can still have our Official Article, but just wondering if we can determine which was the actual winner. --Esprqii (talk) 17:49, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Looks like it was Al Simpson. Somebody went crazy with the SOU football coaches. --Esprqii (talk) 17:53, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Indeed, they suddenly got added. I had just turned up the knob to catch every individual article, running /admin every 2 hours instead of 24 hours. In any case, we have a ceremonial 10kth article. McDonald's doesn't actually know who got the billionth burger, they just choose someone who will look good in a PR campaign. tedder (talk) 18:11, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Ironically, the username of guy who added the actual article 10K--is McDonald. Anyway, I guess that takes the pressure off a bit. I got caught up in fixing some election stuff. But after all, Al's in my wheelhouse...did a cursory search and he's somewhat interesting but refs are hard to come by. But sorry Al, you're no Spruce Production Division. --Esprqii (talk) 18:23, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Rating

Greetings Tedder ;-) While you are at it, would you please re-rate the Bell controvery [[3]] as you rated City of Bell. As always, you are appreciated. Thanks! Namaste...DocOfSoc (talk) 00:45, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, glad it's noticed. I'm rerating with a comment in the edit summary. I don't feel it goes above importance=mid because of recentism and all of that, but it's certainly above C-class. Cheers, tedder (talk) 00:48, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Yw and TY! if wasn't for recentism, it is kinda, sorta High Importance ;-) with its national impact eh?? I have kinda sorta worked my tushie off. Cheers Backatcha! DocOfSoc (talk) 04:39, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

I agree, it borders between mid/high. I have a bias against new events- for instance, when a minor earthquake gets entered. It might turn out to be important, but who knows until there's some history. The main standard I use is, how important is the article to describing the project/subproject in history books? Sort of a tough call in some cases. tedder (talk) 05:36, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

I trust ya...Mostly! LOLOL! :-D DocOfSoc (talk) 07:27, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for sorting out my talk page. Looking at what was written I'm 100% certain that is Jeff Dean up to his usual tricks. --Biker Biker (talk) 10:01, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Huh. I can see that, I guess. Certainly a SPA if there ever was one. tedder (talk) 10:54, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

He has a pop at me whenever I dare to mess about with one of his crappy low-res images e.g. this. I pity the man that his only contribution to Wikipedia these days is personal attacks--Biker Biker (talk) 11:31, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Current events?

Just wondering--how does Tedderbot determine that at current event has passed and thus the tag is no longer appropriate? I ask because it mistakenly removed the tag at 2010 Senkaku Boat Collision Incident; though the collision was a month ago, the issue is current again due to new revelations (i.e., leaking of videos, see about halfway down the page). It seems like it would be hard for a bot to make the distinction. Qwyrxian (talk) 21:33, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Hi- the bot uses the timespan since the last edit was made to determine how actively the article is being edited. The template isn't meant to be used because something is "in the news", it's meant for articles that are being edited rapidly (which often intersects with "in the news", but certainly not always). See WP:CET (okay, the talk page of WPCET actually). tedder (talk) 21:50, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

article deleted

Hi

I am writing to you regarding the following deleted page:

20:37, 28 December 2009 Tedder (talk | contribs) deleted "Universal Declaration on the Ethical Harvest of Seals" ‎ (G12: Unambiguous copyright infringement of http://www.sealsonline.org/seal-universal-declaration.php)

I am the person who coordinated the writing of the Declaration. I currently still work for the parliamentarian - Senator Celine Hervieux-Payette - who had the idea of the Declaration and launched it in April 2009. We are paying for the website so the copyright is our. You could write to us at (redacted), the Senator e-mail address at the Canadian Senate. Could you tell me how to restaure an article on Wikipedia on this issue? Thanks Best —Preceding unsigned comment added by Maximiliendepontailler (talk • contribs) 15:07, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Hi- please see the section for "copyright owners" at Wikipedia:Copyright violations for instructions. tedder (talk) 16:20, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Astoria Oregon

< edits deleted > on article "Aatoria, Oregon (German)" deleted by tedder (talk) on 10:59, 8 Nov 2010 (UTC) This articel contains a lot of unverified information und is in part illogical. I had made a few corrections, but have some more. E.G.: Astoria was not founded in 1876, but in 1811 - The people in Astoria should know, why else are they celebrating their Bicentennial in 2011 (they had already a Centennial in 1911). I do not know who put in the founding-date 1876 - in fact Astoria was incorporated in 1856. The elevation of Astoria is quoted as 7 meters. Astoria in an extreme hilly settlement - as anyone who lives there or has visited will verify. If you want sources - I can quote from newspapers, books on Astoria by American writers as well from my own articles on Astoria. I am new at Wikipedia - and make still mistakes - but I hope I will improve. (WieWa)+ —Preceding unsigned comment added by WieWa (talk • contribs) 10:58, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for citing your changes this time. Yes, it may be incorrect, but we need reliable sources when changes are made- not just from original research. I assume the elevation of the town, for instance, is where the courthouse is (or lower). It isn't measured from the base of the Astoria Column, for instance. Wikipedia is set up to report things that are verifiable and from reliable sources, not original research or synthesis. If the city founding date or city elevation are wrong, change it and back it up with a reliable source in a proper citation, which will generally look something like this: <ref>{{cite book|last=author|first=authorfirst|title=title|isbn=1234567890}}</ref>. Thanks for your help on improving the article. tedder (talk) 12:26, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Sources

Tried to give you all the cites on the Sheldon High School page. Look good? Piratejosh85 (talk) 02:21, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Yep, you got it. Thanks! The newsweek type stuff is fine there, but definitely needed citing. And thanks for going through the OSAA records- that really needs citing, especially when it gets (suspiciously) changed. tedder (talk) 02:33, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

User:TedderBot/New books alert

What's the status on this? Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 20:36, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Hi- it's long since abandoned. tedder (talk) 19:23, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Any way to revive it? Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 09:26, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

I can dig out the code, it's licensed, so someone else can pick it up. tedder (talk) 14:05, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Yeah that'd be a great plan B. Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 22:02, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Bradbury CA

Hi, this is in regards to:

18:25, 15 November 2010 Tedder (talk | contribs) (11,106 bytes) (Reverted 1 edit by Gordonhigh (talk); Not notable. create article first, making sure to meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines.(TW))

She is a well-known, longtime television personality who had her own page for some time before it was deleted due to numerous malicious edits. I have tried to contact the deletor in order to re-start her page, but he appears to now be inactive on wikipedia and I have not received a response. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gordonhigh (talk • contribs) 19:05, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Hi, the article for Melissa Scott was deleted per this Articles for Deletion discussion ; a review of the deletion occurred, and it supported the deletion of Melissa Scott's article. It wasn't deleted due to malicious edits, it was deleted due to not meeting WP:BIO. tedder (talk) 19:22, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

I see, so it was deleted because of not enough coverage by secondary sources? There have been several recent articles about her and her ministry in publications such as Marie Claire, so is there any way I could go about revamping her article when the original deleter is no longer active on this site? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gordonhigh (talk • contribs) 06:39, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

The best thing to do is to create a new article under your userspace, such as User:Gordonhigh/Melissa Scott. When it is ready and meets WP:BIO, it can be moved to the mainspace. tedder (talk) 14:31, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Restoring the previous version of Kovair Software, Inc.

• context: Kovair Software, Inc.

Hi Tedder,

Please restore the previous version of Kovair Software, Inc. Because of the deletion of product information and also the external links,there remains virutally nothing significant in the article now.

As you may notice, there are innumerable entries on companies with blatant promotional literature in Wikipedia, and these entries have had survived! Please view the history of the Kovair Software article and note that lots of edits have had been made to it since the first entry was posted.

I would greatly appreciate the restoration!! I hope I can trust in your fair decision.

Thanks, Smith45 Smith45 (talk) 23:16, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

(talk page stalker here): Please see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. The fact that other articles are imperfect or have info violating our policies/guidelines is no reason for the Kovair article to do so also. You are more than welcome to help clean up other articles so that they also don't have unacceptable details or advertising. Qwyrxian (talk) 23:37, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Qwyrxian! Smith45, you should also check out Wikipedia's conflict of interest guideline, as I'm assuming you are associated with Kovair. It's okay to edit Kovair's page, but important to respect that Kovair doesn't own their article on Wikipedia, that advertising is not taken lightly, and backing up the article with reliable independent sources (which doesn't include press releases) would help. Cheers, tedder (talk) 01:03, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Independent sources have been cited for the offering information. Smith45 Smith45 (talk) 23:24, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

I see that. Note most of those are press releases (verbatim of PR by Kovair), the others aren't from verifiable sources. The only one that could possibly work is the CM Crossroads posting. It's pretty far down the verifiability heap. tedder (talk) 23:41, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

A simple search on the articlesnare links show they are probably a copied whitepaper. Aside from not being a verifiable or reliable source, it has WP:COPYVIO implications, and it's clearly from an individual associated with Kovair. tedder (talk) 23:46, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Regarding Charles City, Iowa

Hi, I am a Wiki newbie of less than a month, so I have a few questions, I hope you will educate me. First I apologize for my bad judgment of putting my username on an article page, I do not know what I was thinking, it will not happen again. IMO the rest of the info box you deleted was relevant because whoever (ip address) posted the information. did so the day before I posted my info box. I wanted to give them a chance to change the information into an encyclopedia entry, therefore hopefully adding another editor to our ranks. To be clear it was not my content you deleted and I sort of understand why you deleted around 8,800 bytes of information at the Charles City, Iowa page because of your documentation. My question is why did you not rewrite it instead of such a blanket deletion? Two phrases from the information you deleted "The first golf course in Iowa to be listed on the National Register of Historic Places, Wildwood Park has a rich history dating back to 1912" and "Fondly referred to as the Mooney Collection, a large assortment of original paintings, engravings, etchings, drypoints and woodcuts by such renown artists as Rembrandt, Picasso, Matisse, Salvador Dali and Grant Wood, is housed in the gallery located in the Charles City Public Library. It was bequeathed to the City of Charles City in 1941 by famous photographer and native son Arthur Mooney". In your defense none of this was wikified, but did you read it for significance? Or did you just assume the whole thing was a I quote from your documentation "rm kitchy tourist bureau information. Wikipedia is not a place to promote your town"
On to the next subject of questions, you wikified several entries but I noticed most have red links (page does not exist). Is this the standard practice here on Wikipedia? I may be mistaken but I thought the spirit of Wikipedia was to have links that functioned. Are your intentions to go back and make pages for these red links? To avoid confusion please answer my questions here on your page, I have added it to my watchlist.
RifeIdeas Talk 16:25, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Hi RifeIdeas, there are a lot cleanup templates you can use, rather than making one up. As far as the information deleted, some of it was probably lost in the shuffle. For instance, being on NRHP is worth inclusion. However, there are a lot of boosterish/tourist bureau comments in those quotes- "fondly", "rich history", etc. As far as redlinks, see WP:REDLINK. It's appropriate if a page needs to be written about the topic- for instance, the FM station. It isn't the way to go if it's Bob's house in Charles City. tedder (talk) 16:37, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your explanation. I now have a better understanding of "red links" and have a lot of cleanup templates to look at (both are new to me). I hope you have time to go back and write into encyclopedia form that "tourist bureau" information. My personal objective is to go through all 900+ towns in Iowa alphabetically that Wikipedia has listed to improve their general appearance and add some quick information, especially those without much content. Then go back later for more enhancements to towns like Charles City. As you can see I have ways to go in my first round. Until next time. RifeIdeas Talk 17:22, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Howdy

Hey Tedder, long time no see--how are shakes? Did you all move, and did you move to a place where you can safely root for the real no. 1 team? I didn't know you were a biker--did you know I got one too? Take care of yourself, and my best to Mrs. Tedder. Drmies (talk) 04:50, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Around these parts, you can root for whoever you want- nobody in LA is from LA, after all. Yeah, I'm a biker- in fact, I have the Aerostich "this is my car" license plate surround. We don't own a car. You have a CBX? Those are a cool bike, definitely a cult favorite, and especially popular since this became leaked. Life is good- just crazy at work and all that. tedder (talk) 14:40, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Wow, another six... Cool! Did you order yours yet? Take care, and happy thanksgiving, Drmies (talk) 15:46, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

No, I'm trying to decide between the Tiger 800 and the BMW F800. In reality I'll stay on the V-Strom, stealing Mrs. Tedder's Monster occasionally. tedder (talk) 15:54, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Whoa. You married someone with a monster! Good man. Good woman! Drmies (talk) 21:55, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

You're (sorta) in the news!

Hi again (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tedder/Archive_6#Usage_of_one_of_your_images). Looks like your image of the Boardman Coal Plant we talked about is in the news at: http://www.treehugger.com/files/2010/11/oregon-coal-free-2020.php Just wanted to give a heads up because I always get excited when I see anything relating to WP:ORE in the news. TimeClock871 (talk) 19:51, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Nice! I'm pretty sure they asked me a while back for permission, and I'm too lazy to dig through my email . I'm sort of ashamed that we didn't have an article on Boardman until recently. (in other words, thanks for creating it) tedder (talk) 21:09, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Sure, I'm just trying to contribute to the project(s). Thanks for taking/uploading relevant images. I think it makes the articles more interesting when we have more than just text. TimeClock871 (talk) 21:30, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Why? Thank you kindly . . .

Hello. Just wondering about this fix, which I don't understand. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gorman,_California&diff=next&oldid=396768918. Sincerely, your friend, GeorgeLouis (talk) 16:24, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Hi- embedded links in articles are not something that should be done, and it didn't gain much- in other words, it wasn't something that could be used as a reference, so I simply removed it. tedder (talk) 16:37, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Granada Hills Charter High School

Your recent massive deletion of material from this article seems a bit excessive without discussion. While I agree that the enumeration of countless city championships and band appearances does seem like overkill, the fact that the school's teams appear to have been quite successful does seem noteworthy. In particular, the band's record of dozens of television appearances and major performances seems noteworthy. Or is it just the lack of references to which you object? Can you suggest how we can restore some of that information in a way that would be acceptable? Jordan Brown (talk) 05:30, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Hi- some of that information would be appropriate with reliable sources- in other words, if LATimes talks about the sports championships or the band's accomplishments (more than just a primary source indicating it happened). WPSCHAG is a good guideline to the structure of the article and what is encyclopedic; the general rule of thumb on sports accomplishments is that a first in state is worth mentioning, lesser accomplishments not so much. tedder (talk) 07:05, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll see what I can do. Jordan Brown (talk) 16:38, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Forest Park (Portland, Oregon)

Thank you for trying to make Wikipedia a more reliable source of information. However, your recent reversion of my edit (17:06, December 4, 2010 Tedder (talk | contribs) (44,487 bytes) (Reverted 1 edit by Dylan27 (talk); Not even released, borderline spam.(TW)) was in error. While it's true that I'm the one developing the app and it isn't released yet, I'm working in collaboration with the Forest Park Conservancy to produce this. Their site is even listed as an external link. A percentage of the proceeds of the app will also go to them. I don't see the problem with adding a link to an educational, helpful resource for Portlanders trying to use the park (my app). It will have a map and route planner. It's not supposed to be free advertising, spam, or anything of the sort. Rather, it's supposed to be an educational tool that will help develop the reputation and prestige of the park. Please let me know if you see my point. Thank you. Dylan 00:32, 5 December 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dylan27 (talk • contribs)

If it's through the Forest Park Conservancy, it'll be available through the Forest Park Conservancy website, so this would be a second link to the same site. In any case, it's spam- it's an application that is for sale, and it's only of use to a limited number of Wikipedia users (those who are hiking the park with an iphone). Look on this section about External links: What to link. This fails several of the items here- the content isn't accessible. Moving down to "Links normally to be avoided", it fails criterion #5 ("Links to web pages that primarily exist to sell products or services"), #7 ("Sites that are inaccessible to a substantial number of users"), #8 ("Direct links to documents that require external applications ... to view the content"). I wish you the best of luck with the application- but it's clear it doesn't belong listed here. Wikipedia is not a link farm. tedder (talk) 00:39, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Just trying to help out. Thanks for the clarification. Dylan 01:26, 5 December 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dylan27 (talk • contribs)

list of bus routes in gloucestershire signature.

• Context: List of bus routes in Gloucestershire tedder (talk) 14:15, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Hello, tedder.the reason i keep putting my signature on that page is i created it, and it is only half-finished, and so that is there to tell visitors it is not complete. if there is a problem with this, please let me know. RCSprinter123 (talk) 14:06, 18 December 2010 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rcsprinter123 (talk • contribs)

Yes, there's a problem with that. Read Wikipedia:Signatures as the warning mentions. To mark something as in progress, use {{In use}}. However, almost every article on Wikipedia is in progress. tedder (talk) 14:14, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

St. George, Utah

Tedder:

You reverted the addition of the Dixie Press Online website earlier. I'm involved in media here in St. George, and I can tell you it's not spam. They are trying to become a legitimate news outlet in St. George. Their page has advertising, true, but then again, so does that of the Spectrum, the main news outlet in town. They are new, so cut them some slack for not a lot of content yet.

One thing - the Spectrum just went pay on their website. The Dixie Press is for those who either can't afford to or do not want to pay Gannett's rates for access to news. On that basis I believe I'm going to revert your revert, while making some changes to the presentation. I would be happy to discuss it, though.

We've crossed in the past. You know I'm fair and willing to talk. I believe I'm right on this one, though.

Regards, --Manway (talk) 07:52, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Hey Manway, the site seems/seemed borderline, but what made me feel it was spam was having it linked in the main part of the article. You've fixed that, so I'm fine with it staying as an EL. And yes, the Press is pay, but that doesn't change that it is the largest news outlet in the area. tedder (talk) 16:10, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, amigo. I agree they should all stay. Wasn't trying to get the Spectrum removed. Have a good one! --Manway (talk) 20:04, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

"40 miles before breakfast."

Hey, motorcycle man. Instead of asking the Ref Desk like usual, I recalled who the resident motorcycle buff was of WP so just kindly decided to submit to your talk page instead.

This quote bothers me: "Never do less than 40 miles before breakfast." My iHop is just a mile and a half from my apartment, so even if I get an 85-MPG Peirspeed Delivery, I would just prefer to take the shortest route because I don't think I can listen to audio books on a motor scooter. (What motor scooters come with CD players, anyway? I don't think it'll be on the Peirspeed that I plan to get one day.) Therefore, while I commit to a situation where I can't multitask, I prefer to minimize the time spent doing it, so I don't see a compelling reason to ride for 40 miles before my morning meal.

So why is it suggested for bikers to ride 40 miles before their morning meals? --70.179.178.5 (talk) 09:31, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

You have unique questions :-) I suspect the reason is for credibility- you aren't a "real biker" if you go two blocks to the local diner. tedder (talk) 17:22, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

editing message?

How did you get that message to appear when your talk page is edited? RJFJR (talk) 17:17, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Does /editnotice automatically appear during editing if it exists? RJFJR (talk) 17:19, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Yes, it automagically appears. Look at the upper right during editing (uh, if you are on the same skin as me), there are links for 'group notice' and 'page notice'. You want the latter. See WP:EDNO. tedder (talk) 17:21, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Spruce Production Division

Hi, tedder- I'm excited about merging the notes in the WP:ORE collaboration into the article to get it moved into mainspace. However I'm not quite sure how the last three paragraphs in the "Notes" section will fit in. Do you know? Jsayre64 (talk) 17:39, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

I appreciate the effort you are putting into it. I tend to build articles by harvesting articles, especially non-FUTON sources. I'm worse at actually writing articles, though, so it may not belong. If not, just move it to the talk page when you are ready to move the article live. tedder (talk) 17:43, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Do you suppose the article has a shot at being good? Jsayre64 (talk) 03:43, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

It probably does- I don't know what's missing. tedder (talk) 04:55, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

I nominated it— let's hope for the best! Jsayre64 (talk) 16:09, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

I saw that. You'll be making the popcorn? tedder (talk) 16:10, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

It will be a long wait. There's apparently an awful backlog of GA nominations. Jsayre64 (talk) 01:03, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

South Wasco County High School

Was trying to help expand the article as it is a stub. Don't think it was necessary to delete everything edited. Some of the information was both encyclopedic and relevant. Would like you to enlighten me on information to help expand the page because information is excruciatingly limited. Jakobees (talk) 06:56, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Hi Jakobees. A good place to start is Wikipedia:WikiProject Schools/Article guidelines. I'll go through what I deleted and why. First, all of the additions were unsourced. They need a reliable source.

• The rival school definitely needs a reliable source. This sort of thing is often changed by high school students, it becomes a magnet for vandalism and original research.
• The list of schools in the conference is better listed at Oregon School Activities Association than on the school page. It isn't related to the school except perphirally.
• The list of sports played at the school is not notable or encyclopedic. Generally only first place championships at the state level is considered encyclopedic; see the section in article guidelines, which states "Mention the sports team(s) of the school and what is notable about them.... Mention significant championships for the sports teams." Pretty much every school in the USA plays football.
• The listing of where graduating students went to school is, again, not encyclopedic and not sourced. To borrow from the article guidelines again, "The key to writing a good school article is to explain why the school is unique. What makes it different from every other school?" The list of accepted schools is specifically in what not to include; every high school sends graduates to local universities.

This shouldn't discourage you. With reliable sources (such as newspaper articles), there are plenty of things that can be added. When was the school building built? What led to the school being built? Can you take a picture of the school? (this doesn't even require sources) Are there any notable alumni? (they must have an article written about them first) Has the school won any sports championships? (again, needs a citation) Let me know if I can help further; I have a brief list of sources for Oregon schools. tedder (talk) 15:56, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Getting second place in state in three different sports in the same year seems to me to be pretty encyclopedic and pretty unique. As well as a significant percent of students attending the same college. How is going on to a college any less "encyclopedic" then the dropout rate? Sounds a little hypocritical. And Dufur being a rival school is common knowledge to anyone from either school or town. Correct me if I'm wrong again but does common knowledge not need a reference? I tried finding references for an hour or so but couldn't find any. Only thing I have to go off of is that I attended and graduated from there but seeing as how that's not good enough, even though I personally know everything I wrote to be true, the page will have to remain one measly sentence and a stub forever. But thank you for your guidance. Jakobees (talk) 22:13, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia's standard of inclusion is verifiability, not truth. See the five pillars. —EncMstr (talk) 22:15, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

What EncMstr said. Personally, I'm quite interested in the naming of the school's mascot--this is certainly the only school team so-named and surely someone has written about it in a reliable third-party source. I know the guidelines are frustrating, but please don't resort to sarcasm. Tedder here has given you a great deal of information on how to improve the article, which is 100% more communication and help than you will get in 95% of Wikipedia, I'm sorry to say. I'll commit to helping find sources for this if you would like. Probably not until after the holidays though. Cheers, Valfontis (talk) 22:47, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Jakobees, many people knew Mary Ramsey Wood lived to be 121 years old or so, even a descendant, but even he eventually did the research and came to the conclusion that she was not that old. You see, you may think the truth exists, but truth is a matter of point of view or perspective. For instance I went to Hilhi and I know Glencoe HS is the rival school, but then again it has been 15 years and Hillsboro has added 2 high schools since then, so maybe my truth is no longer true. Now think about a Hilhi person who attended in say 1970 and just knows Beaverton is the rival school, which was a decade before the Hillsboro district added Glencoe HS and split students between two high schools, should we go with what the person says and add it to the article because they know it is the truth? Or for another example, we can go with Jesus since it is that time of year; should we call him a prophet because those who follow Islam know that to be the truth, or perhaps we should call him the son of God because Christians know that is the truth, or maybe call him a heretic under Jewish doctrine, or perhaps a carpenter from what is know Israel for Buddhists or atheists? What is the truth?

As to colleges and drop out rates, the comparison would be to include what percentage of students attend college as the proper counter-point to the drop out rate. Listing every college would be comparable to listing every fast food restaurant the drop-outs work at, which nobody would suggest we do. But in a less outrageous argument, the drop out rate is far more attributable to the school than what college someone decides to attend. The high schools have programs to attempt to keep kids engaged and in school, they have far less control over what colleges accept and provide enough financial aid to students for, not to mention kids can't lie to administrators about whether or not they are drop-outs, but they can have lied about getting to college, if you recall a couple years ago a high school football player (I think from Nevada) who made the news after holding a press conference to accept a scholarship to Cal, a scholarship that was not offered. Or from personal experience, I told my high school I was going to college A, and they never questioned it. I was accepted to college A, but my high school never checked, and what's more is I actually ended up going to a different college at the last minute, so if my college data was included, it would be wrong, and I never recall my high school calling me about after college to see if/where I attended and if I graduated. Or in simpler terms, where someone plans to go to college is about the student and should not be in an article about a high school.

As to actually improving the article, if you are a college student, I suggest checking out what e-databases your school has available through your library, as these usually contain a wealth of reliable sources, including old newspaper articles that may provide some coverage of the high school. If you are not in college, then do the same for you local library. Aboutmovies (talk) 22:55, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks to my stalkers for helping out. Verifiability is definitely key; the problem is usually that the relevant information can't be found online, so it isn't added. You can help counter that bias, though! If you are in the area, use some of the local resources such as a library or historical society to find information. Schools are often written about in local newspapers and you should be able to glean information from there. tedder (talk) 23:42, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Telangana

Major event regarding Telangana is expected in next 24 hours[4]. We can expect lot of hits to Telangana page after the submission of the much awaited report. We should also expect vandalism on this page just like we did on Dec 10, 2009. I just want to give heads up to the Admins. Please take appropriate action to protect the page. Thanks. Ramcrk (talk) 20:41, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Things aren't done before they happen: WP:CRYSTAL. But use page protection and WP:AIV as necessary. tedder (talk) 22:14, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Spruce Production Division

Materialscientist (talk) 14:06, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Added to userpage.

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Invitation to join WikiProject United States

Hello, Tedder/Archive 9! WikiProject United States, an outreach effort supporting development of United States related articles in Wikipedia, has recently been restarted after a long period of inactivity. As a user who has shown an interest in United States related topics we wanted to invite you to join us in developing content relating to the United States. If you are interested please add your Username and area of interest to the members page here. Thank you!!!

--Kumioko (talk) 20:24, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Because I don't like things sitting without a reply- not joining because Oregon and Oregon's Mexico keep me busy. tedder (talk) 20:52, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Hi; your undo edit

Hi Tedder. You undid my edit here commenting that there are four sources at the end of the paragraph apparently validating that the group is a club. May I request you to go through all the four sources, as none of them comments that the group is a club. I have reverted your edit. Please feel free to address the group as a club once you've confirmed the sources; or of course, you could add a new reliable source that confirms the group is a club. Wifione _....... ^{Leave a message} 15:16, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

I thought they were in those refs- my mistake, I pulled some from the talk page and added them. tedder (talk) 15:55, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Tedder. I've also additionally shifted the group's viewpoint about their legacy definition to the second line, to support NPOV issues due to which ips seemed to be disruptively editing. Thanks and good to see you around. Kind regards. Wifione _....... ^{Leave a message} 17:09, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for moving it around and such. It is probably worth a small paragraph, which means the lede can summarize things- but I'm not the best with fine-grained wording. tedder (talk) 17:56, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Reverted page

Hi. I tagged the external link in Radiant City as unreliable as I could not see anything in the linked page that relates to the movie. You reverted stating that you can see something. Can you explain? Just to avoid same mistake again. Thanks Mpaa (talk) 01:40, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Hey Mpaa. I don't mean the *page* contains that content, but the *movie* covers that. I'd be happy with the link being removed and the information being covered under WP:PLOTSUM. tedder (talk) 01:48, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Block request

Since somebody keeps moving the AN/I back to here [5] I assume no one wants to continue discussion regarding AkankshaG. Since Alison has recommended a block, would you like to be the blocking Admin? Or, should the discussion move to a subpage? Phearson (talk) 22:47, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Is the bot moving it back? If it's stale, it will keep being archived unless you put a fresh date on it. Find the diff and show it to me. But as an involved admin, I won't be a blocking admin. tedder (talk) 23:53, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Question

Hey tedder— I've recently been thinking of applying for adminship (or rather, I've been curious of what the outcome would probably be) and I'd much appreciate your thoughts on whether or not you think it would be premature. Here's a shortcut to the list of my edits and the cool info. about my edits ("Edit count"). Thanks, Jsayre64 (talk) 01:27, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Drop me an email on this, ok? tedder (talk) 04:08, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

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ThermaHelm

You beat me to it! I wonder if the actual article is worthy yet of listing? See my comments at Talk:ThermaHelm. The 19 external links (which I trimmed to just the official one) did make me think someone was trying to promote an as-yet-unproven and non-notable product through the article. --Biker Biker (talk) 17:33, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

It would certainly keep the helmet from going through airport security. It's certainly unproven, and has effectively one reference for notability. Perhaps let it stand for a couple of months and then AFD it? (or rename it to [[HelmetBomb]]?) tedder (talk) 17:53, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

blue ribbon schools

OK, thanks for letting me know. I wasn't aware of that. It's not as if there are only a few of them, there are quite a lot, but the school notability requirements are far too low for my tastes. I won't revert, though.  :) Corvus cornix_talk 00:16, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

No problem! Yes, over beers we could discuss various notability quirks, but that's generally accepted. tedder (talk) 00:19, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Cheers.  :) Corvus cornix_talk 00:26, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

School alumni

Hi Tedder. I don't understand your confrontational tone. Is this the way you encourage friendly collaboration? Can we afford to bully serious, mature editors away from the maintenance work they do on schools? I hope I'm very wrong in all this and I prefer to think that you misread my preceding message because I had perhaps poorly phrased it, than to think that you are criticising the thousands of good faith edits I make repairing and improving crap school articles and expanding stubs, and the work I put in on the school project. I certainly do not 'flip-flop articles between personal standards'. If anything, I'm more than happy to stand accused of correctly interpreting and implementing Wikipedia policies and guidelines. You as an admin should know that we should discuss the articles and policies, and not the editors - at least unless we have someone up for a block, or on an ANI, SPI, or RfA, etc. Best wishes, --Kudpung (talk) 03:22, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Hey Kudpung, you are talking about this comment, right? I think there has been a misunderstanding- I wasn't trying to knock you or any other editors, it was in response to your "will never become policy" comment, I was trying to say there's an advantage to consensus. Oh dear, I see what I did wrong. The "I don't know about you" wasn't meant to be an insult. I'll go modify that. My real point was that even if it isn't policy, coming up with mini-policy/consensus is what helps us continue to improve the school articles. tedder (talk) 03:31, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Tedder. I am very much aware of all the indispensable hard work that you too put into schools, and I was sure you weren't consciously lacking GF. I thoroughly agree (and have always contended) that mini consensus is vital to the Wikipedia process - that's how we are able, for example, to redirect primary schools uncontroversially without wasting everyone's time at AfD. What I meant however, is that to get such accepted practices anchored in policy can take years of cyclic, perennial RfC - more time wasting; we have tens of thousands of crap school articles to repair and expand. --Kudpung (talk) 03:58, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, that was certainly a fail on my part in the wording. I see what you mean about policy- especially considering how much resistance there is against the notability of schools thing. Again, sorry for getting the wording wrong- I'm always direct, but not always that foot-in-mouth. tedder (talk) 04:06, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

		The Schools Barnstar
		I think this is incredibly overdue... Kudpung (talk) 05:16, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks- adding to my userpage. tedder (talk) 04:43, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

A Harley question for you

You're very much into Harleys, so you may be able to answer it. Thanks. --70.179.178.5 (talk) 04:49, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Laconia Motorcycle Week

Do me a favour and keep an eye on Laconia Motorcycle Week, where we have an anti helmet law soapboxer edit warring and POV pushing. It looks like he has busted 3RR but I don't want to do any more reverts for fear of tripping it myself - even though another editor has stepped in and reverted him. Thanks. --Biker Biker (talk) 17:06, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

I just noticed that two IP addresses are involved in the POV pushing, so giving the benefit of the doubt it might be two people and therefore not 3RR. Still soapboxing though. --Biker Biker (talk) 17:11, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

I have had the page protected and kicked off a discussion at Talk:Laconia Motorcycle Week. Your opinion, as always, would be welcome. --Biker Biker (talk) 17:29, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Ah, good times. I'll keep an eye on it. tedder (talk) 17:50, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

You're Invited! Come Celebrate Wikipedia's 10th Anniversary!

<font=3> You're invited to help celebrate Wikipedia's 10th anniversary! Visit this link for details. An informal celebration will take place at the AboutUs office located at 107 SE Washington Street, Suite 520 in Portland on Saturday, January 15, 2011. An Open Space Technology meeting is scheduled from 5pm to 7pm, with a party to follow. Admission is free! --Another Believer (Talk) 17:07, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Enjoy AB! I'll be thinking warm thoughts from 100 miles south. tedder (talk) 17:50, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks [Assistive Technology Industry Association]

Thanks for reviewing the article. It's my first. Will post substantive stuff on the article's Talk page. Ben Slotznick (talk) 04:17, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for the welcome message! I'm not sure that I'll be a super-regular contributor or anything, but I use Wikipedia so much and lately I noticed a few places I could help out, so I just changed a few things. Thanks! :) --75.189.152.184 (talk) 13:22, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

WP:WPSCH/AG

I think we need to get this page upgraded to Guideline status (at the moment it's still officially classed as an essay). Now that the schools project has been revived it's getting more noticed and people are begining to stuff beans up their noses by deliberately contesting it to game the system, as a few recent AfD, move requests, and demands for the names of pupils to be included, etc, are proving.
It shouldn't be too hard to get consensus to do this, as most of it is based either on existing policy anyway, or age old precedent. Any suggestions? --Kudpung (talk) 04:34, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

I'm worried it's like herding cats. But I fully support it. tedder (talk) 04:42, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

TedderBot template update

I don't know exactly why this was done, but this move broke TedderBot, which is still using Template:WP:WPOR-Nav instead of Wikipedia:WikiProject Oregon/Nav. Can you update when you're feeling up to it? --Esprqii (talk) 18:31, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Fixed. Do you know what's up with category:WikiProject Oregon articles? Looks like it's a redlink now too. tedder (talk) 19:04, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Looks like it should be replaced with Category:WikiProject Oregon pages. (See the log on Category:WikiProject Oregon articles.) --Esprqii (talk) 21:45, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

I'm updating to use that. tedder (talk) 22:07, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Seems still to be using category:WikiProject Oregon articles rather than Category:WikiProject Oregon pages. --Esprqii (talk) 05:35, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

It's updated, it's just the text on the page that isn't. If you look at /admin2, you'll see a big jump when I ran the fix through. I just updated the text, so it'll look fine tomorrow. tedder (talk) 06:06, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Edison High School

I actually just was wikifying Starikov's page, but this seems to be a reliable enough reference: http://www.insidesocal.com/soccer/2011/01/usmnt-camp-update-a-few-words.html . Cheers! User:Geregen2 23:54, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Works for me- thanks. tedder (talk) 23:57, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Indefinite block for one edit?

It seems odd that you blocked Duke2323 (talk · contribs) indefinitely on account of "vandalism" for his one edit to Duke53's user page. This user is probably new and will not understand the appeal process. ...comments? ~BFizz 18:01, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

I'm going with WP:DUCK, both for the "impersonation" username and for making an identical edit to the page. I'm certainly not the biggest fan of Duke53, but I would have done the same to any other user. tedder (talk) 18:05, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

I took this to ANI; I'd love your feedback: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#confirmation.2Fsecond-guessing_a_block_I_made. Cheers, tedder (talk) 18:17, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Well, that was quickly confirmed- DUCK led to sock. tedder (talk) 18:40, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Nice work, Tedder, right up until the "no stranger in these parts" dig. Totally unnecessary, but not unexpected. Stevie Wonder could have seen the sockpuppet thing happening here, but I read just the other day that [6]"The allegations of sockpuppets or meatpuppets should and can safely be ignored. They are meaningless and unhelpful.". Cheers. Duke53 | ^Talk 18:47, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for opening it to further scrutiny, Tedder. I'm always hopeful that we can lure vandals into becoming productive Wikipedians, but its probably a rare occurrence in actuality. ...comments? ~BFizz 01:06, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

AGF is almost always the right tactic to take. I'm worried about Wikipedia attracting less-technical folks or classes of folks. On the other hand, it's easy for AGF to be used against us by trolls and griefers. So I appreciate the feedback. tedder (talk) 03:50, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK for THUMS Islands

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:04, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Sweet. Moving to userspace. tedder (talk) 03:32, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

inre Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jordon Saffron Taste this

I've been working a little bit on Jordon Saffron Taste This!. While yes, the new author began with some definite problems in his formatting and style... so far, I have turned this into THIS Not done yet, but perhaps you might stop by and check my progress. Thanks, Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 23:48, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Hi MQS- thanks for your work on it. I'm still not sure it meets WP:NFILM; note no critics on rottentomatoes, and I'm not sure if it meets number four due to the AMPAS archival; it's no NFR. Having said that, you've done a FANTASTIC job improving it. Because I follow this search that includes the word 'hollywood', there are a ton of crappy myspace bands and minor films, so I acknowledge that I have a fairly short leash with them. tedder (talk) 03:24, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Thank you very much, it was fun to improve. I am quite surprised that no one else has even commented at the AFD. Strange. I suppose I can add more sources... but I do not know that doing so would attract additional opinions (chuckle). At a minimum, I think I have improved it enough so that it might stay and be futher improved by others. In a sidenote... I steer quite clear of garage band articles. Too many that are legends only in their own minds. Yikes. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 08:19, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Melissa Scott

Doubt you remember, but a few months ago I asked for help regarding the restoration of the deleted article on Melissa Scott (pastor). Finally got around to taking your advice and created the article on her at User:Gordonhigh/Melissa Scott. How should I go about having the article moved to mainspace, now? Thanks again for your help. Gordonhigh (talk • contribs) —Preceding undated comment added 01:09, 7 February 2011 (UTC).

Hi- I kinda remember. Given it has a BLP background, I'd suggest posting it for review at WP:BLPN with a pointer to your userspace version and the original deletion review. Once that has been on BLPN for ~5-7 days, hit me up and I'll handle moving it for you. Cheers, tedder (talk) 03:31, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Hi, I posted it about a week ago and have since made the recommended edits to the article. Here it is again at User:Gordonhigh/Melissa Scott. Thanks for your help moving it! I really appreciate it. Gordonhigh (talk) 23:14, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

It's all done, at Melissa Scott (pastor), including a full history merge (first time I've done that). Obviously, this is not an "administrator approved" article immune from AFD or anything else- but you've gone to enough effort to placate the big BLP issues. tedder (talk) 03:33, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Excellent! Thanks for your help. Have a great day. Gordonhigh (talk) 05:05, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

issues aren't fixed Chris Holmes (musician)

So what are you wanting to be in this to soot you. It is in the same reading as any wika musicans page, it does not read the same the page has been fixed. Please let me know so I will fix it. Thank you MDSanker (Talk to me) 10:22, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Please see Talk:Chris Holmes (musician). tedder (talk) 15:13, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Hermiston

You seem to be just deleting things and not adding to it. We're supposed to "assume good faith" around here, but I don't see where you're doing much constructive. However, you seem to have some power vested by Wikipedia, so I guess your word goes. Just please don't abuse it. EOBeav (talk) 02:50, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Hi- I deleted information with rationale, WP:TRIVIA. Sometimes an article is improved by removing unencyclopedic information. tedder (talk) 03:08, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Chiming in, Tedder does an excellent job of assuming good faith and comes nowhere near abusing his administrative powers. This month, he's beat me each time to reverting the trivia in Hermiston. Did you actually read the WP:TRIVIA guideline? If any of those tidbits help understand Hermiston, find a way to weave it into the article. —EncMstr (talk) 03:11, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I wanted to find a way to weave the info into the article, but since it has no history section, I thought there was no way to do so. (I'm only feeling like I have enough time/interest to move and edit existing material, not create a whole new section--however, I may take a stab at it this weekend.) Looking at it more carefully, I see something like Shari's, however, could be added to the "Economy" section, which currently is only a list, as could the info about watermelon growing. A.C. Green could possibly be added to a "Notable people" section, though it would stretch the definition of what that section is for a bit. In the meantime, I support the removal of the trivia section, which remained tagged but not addressed for over three years. See the guidelines at WP:USCITY for more ideas for the kind of content that can be added to a city article. Cheers, Valfontis (talk) 03:27, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Smelly socks or Clean Start?

Hello Ted, could use some of your superpower at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Editor XXV. Many thanks and best. --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 12:01, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Hey- I don't have CU. that's not a normal admin right. tedder (talk) 22:22, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

• D'oh! Please disregard the request then, much thanks. --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 02:11, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Am I being a bit unfair?

If you have a moment, take a look at the contributions for Lavender1988 (talk · contribs), who has edited three articles in a virtually identical way by posting pictures of bikes fitted with the same brand of aftermarket exhaust can. I have reverted all the edits as they look mighty spammy to me i.e. I suspect this person is connected to the exhaust manufacturer. Do you concur? --Biker Biker (talk) 15:50, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Hey- looks like dbratland already got involved. Let me know if more is needed. tedder (talk) 22:22, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Question about message to me

I received a message from you suggesting that I created the article about "Evan Freed." This is hardly the case and while I don't know the person who actually started the article, I only made minor grammatical edits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Judicious1 (talk • contribs) 14:50, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

It was a generic message, I was making a guess that it was an autobiography. No worries. tedder (talk) 15:00, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

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--Jsayre64 (talk) 23:21, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

I have once again updated that list of blank file talk pages. In fact, I have completed the work through the M's listed at Category:File-Class Oregon articles. Thanks, Jsayre64 (talk) 04:24, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

I'm watching your page, thanks :-) Note (in an editsummary or on your talkpage) when you are done, I'll go through and delete them when I have time to do so. Great work. tedder (talk) 04:31, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Sorry for being a spoiled sport, but it's been a while and I'm done. I think all free files requesting to be moved to Commons have been moved, and the rest of the files with the template arenon-free or were uploaded by Andrew Parodi (talk · contribs), who has uploaded dozens of free images to Wikipedia, perhaps not wanting them to be on Commons. --Jsayre64 (talk) 04:37, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Not at all- great work on that, Jsayre. Thanks, tedder (talk) 05:51, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Fairbanks, Oregon

Tesscass started this today! Does your offer still hold? Valfontis (talk) 20:33, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Gladly! And..  Done. tedder (talk) 04:33, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Question about Tustin High School page

• Context: Tustin High School (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Hey Tedder,

Lately I've tried posting some info about my old high school but have noticed you've taken it down. I get that some of the info is "generic" and common to a lot of schools, but I've also seen it on other schools' sites. Since Tustin High already has a page it seems like the stuff just provides more details/specifics. I've read the school guidelines and all, but do you have any suggestions on how I should approach making edits differently? I've read a lot on here but sort of new to this still so I appreciate it. Thanks. Sandiego3336 (talk) 23:44, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

The article guidelines for secondary schools should give you an idea of the general consensus on information to include. Specifically, many schools have decent AP programs, and anything more than a sentence about first-in-state or national championships of the Model UN program isn't terribly encyclopedic. Lastly, "other pages have junk" is a poor argument on Wikipedia- see WP:OTHERSTUFF.

So what does that leave? Most importantly, the history- it only has one source. Find newspaper articles and other reliable sources (not a yearbook or school paper) discussing the school. Look at the very well-written schools for some ideas. What about photos of the school? tedder (talk) 23:54, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Redbull

Redbull: Origin Austria --> Thailand

• Ontomoto (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)

The 3rd block has expired and he's right back at it again. [7] and [8] Anna Frodesiak (talk) 11:13, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

 Done. Sheesh. tedder (talk) 12:59, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Jersey

Could I ask why you have reverted the changes I made to the Jersey page? Thanks. DavidWard ^talk 22:47, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Huh. I have no idea why; I reverted myself. Hopefully I won't have to give myself a WP:3RR warning. tedder (talk) 05:38, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Alma Julia Hightower

Thanks for restoring the maintenance tags. Sigh! I was hoping the editor would read the links in them to find out more about editing on WP. I've sort of given up on trying to deal with this article as long as he/she is editing it. The thing is, the subject is a notable figure [9], but very little is written about her actual life and the article is full of original research. I don't know if you've looked at the history, but it was really dire [10] before I took an ax to it and tried to format it properly. The creator, who seems to be a family member, has also re-added <br> all over the place after I had removed it all. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 17:57, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Aha- I hadn't been able to find sources to pass BIO, but I was looking for the full name. Yeah, certainly COI and such. tedder (talk) 21:42, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

famous vs notable

Would the average number of pageviews be an acceptable measure of notability or celebrity?--Kubigulo (talk) 23:54, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

(continuing on your talk page, as that's where the discussion began) tedder (talk) 23:58, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Vector Marketing... Again.

Tedder, could you kindly review Vector Marketing and its talk page again? We had a PR person come in and revise things similar to AkankshaG's article. Phearson (talk) 15:23, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

I saw that, I was about to revert. tedder (talk) 15:24, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, and I'll keep the editor discussion off the page from now on. Phearson (talk) 15:29, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Yep. I understand why it was there, but it's also important that you be a model Wikipedian. And by "you", I mean "all of us". tedder (talk) 15:39, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

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Galleries

Hey Tedder:

Quick note. I created that gallery at the request of another administrator, who also asked me to take those pictures. I'm currently in the process of taking other pictures that have been requested.

I read the WP:GALLERY page and am even more confused now. Why wouldn't it be preferable to have a gallery of images of a city rather than just sprinkling them through the text?

Thanks for your time. Regards, --Manway (talk) 00:22, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Hi Manway, thanks for taking the photos. I've done a bit of that too. I guess WP:GALLERY isn't the right link. Here's the right MOS for it: WP:VAMOS, specifically WP:VAMOS#Galleries. It's better to have them sprinkled through the text, actually. tedder (talk) 03:50, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the link. Tells me a lot more. I'll try to incorporate those photos in the text. Appreciate the time. All best. --Manway (talk) 23:10, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

British Columbia Liberal Party leadership election, 2011

Why was TedderBot not tracking British Columbia Liberal Party leadership election, 2011? 117Avenue (talk) 21:32, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

That's a great question. I don't know! I'm going to try adding the "date" field to a page and see if that's what causes it to get dropped. Thanks for the heads-up. tedder (talk) 21:39, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

That's interesting, because the documentation says to use the date field. I went through some other articles in the current events category that the bot isn't tracking, and they use other current templates, shouldn't they also be monitored by the bot? 117Avenue (talk) 23:47, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Yep, the bot only watches a few current templates. Tell me which ones it's missing and I'll add them. And it definitely isn't the "Date field" thing, which means I really don't know what caused it, because it was a watched template and such. I'd have to see it happen again to know for sure. It's not too hard to find my test article: User:TedderBot/CurrentPruneBot/census. tedder (talk) 23:55, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

I see Template:Current spaceflight, Template:Launching, Template:Current person. The first two I have nominated for TFD. 117Avenue (talk) 00:35, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Ones that don't place the article in the current events category are: Template:Current disaster, Template:Current disasters, Template:Current sport, Template:Current sport-related, and Template:Current tropical cyclone. In the spirit of having standardized templates to be used across WP, I would propose that they all be merged into one (except current related, current person, and recent death), with the second parameter controlling the image and categorization, but seeing the reaction at TFD, it looks like it won't be happen soon. 117Avenue (talk) 02:53, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

I'm looking at the code now. "Current" and "Current related" are the only two it looks at now. I'm adding the rest. Sorry about TFD! At least we can let TedderBot manage them. Here's the list I'm checking, let me know if I've missed any others. tedder (talk) 03:10, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

$totalRemoved += checkTemplate('Template:Current');
$totalRemoved += checkTemplate('Template:Current related');
$totalRemoved += checkTemplate('Template:Current spaceflight');
$totalRemoved += checkTemplate('Template:Launching');
$totalRemoved += checkTemplate('Template:Current person');
$totalRemoved += checkTemplate('Template:Current disaster');
$totalRemoved += checkTemplate('Template:Current disasters');
$totalRemoved += checkTemplate('Template:Current sport');
$totalRemoved += checkTemplate('Template:Current sport-related');
$totalRemoved += checkTemplate('Template:Current tropical cyclone');

(signing again just to keep the indented code sane) tedder (talk) 03:10, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Template:Recent death? And jeez, I keep finding more, Template:Recent death presumed. 117Avenue (talk) 03:18, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

 Done. Thanks for researching. I'm behind in wiki and email, so the work you are doing is especially valuable. tedder (talk) 03:26, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

If I may ask, could you remove Current sport-related from this list? While this likely was not the original intended use for the template, in these cases, the template is now being used to direct readers to a relevant, related article regardless of whether the information is changing rapidly. As such, this template is used in a context that is considerably different than {{current}}. (examples for context, two recent removals: first, second). Cheers! Resolute 04:48, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Yep, removing it right now. I assume "current sport-related" is okay? If template renaming or enforcement of "current sport" is necessary, that can happen before it's re-enabled in tedderbot. tedder (talk) 05:40, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

I've removed the two "sport" and two "space" template checks from the bot; the spaceflight ones are being discussed under TFD, but probably the whole topic should be brought up on WT:CET to see if there are opinions about the rest. In the meantime, I'm leaving them enabled (again, except sport/space) because they are rare enough that invoking WP:BRD is probably safe. tedder (talk) 15:27, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

I don't believe that the usage of a bot can be justified by WP:BRD. As per the below discussion, it is clearly disruptive. Undoing the damage is time very consuming. --Xession (talk) 15:50, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

I see your point. I don't think WT:CET is watched enough, though. Do you feel that all of the added current templates should be removed, not just the disruptive and widely-used ones (sport and space)? Ignoring those, the additions are very sparsely used and inspecific, which is why I suggested BRD. tedder (talk) 16:41, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

In general, I'm against bot usage, especially those which remove content. There certainly is a good, well intentioned goal in mind for the bot. However, I believe the organic nature of Wikipedia necessitates human involvement in almost all procedures to ensure responsibility and accountability. A case may still exist for using the bot; I am not here to suggest that one doesn't. Some tasks do take a long time to perform, but it seems unfortunate to potentially remove beneficial content at the expense of ease. --Xession (talk) 16:53, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Spaceflight templates

This bot recently engaged and modified a great number of templates for unnecessary and unjust reasoning. This is absolutely detrimental and ridiculous! The actions of this bot have affected a great number of articles and without proper consultation while an open discussion is ongoing. Such actions are preposterous! I for one am entirely against such actions and will not stand for it! --Xession (talk) 07:27, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

While some of the edits the bot made were useful, it was a sledgehammer approach, and has deleted a far greater number of useful instances than problematic ones. In many cases, a series of templates which contain code to transclude the current event template when, and only when it is the subject of a current event, have been removed instead of the current event templates. --GW… 07:42, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Yes, it sledgehammered on this. It's been disabled, both the bot (which I'll enable soon) and the spaceflight section of the bot (which I'll disable first). tedder (talk) 15:27, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. --GW… 16:34, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Template:Launching is used rather differently than the other current event templates, and should probably excluded from the bot's usage. Someone from the WikiProject Spaceflight really ought to write a proper documentation for the template to explain to non-members what the template actually does. --Conti|✉ 17:23, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Makes sense to me. When I restart the bot it won't remove anything beginning with "{{launching". tedder (talk) 17:27, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Sports templates

Why is this bot deleting templates that link to the current season? It would be easier for people to access the current season page by going through the team's main page. TL565 (talk) 07:38, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

• The bot appears to have been continuing to make these edits despite the issues raised, and given that other concerns have been raised as well (including my own in the previous section), I have used the status page to stop the bot from running. --GW… 13:14, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

This is related to the above sections (which I've combined). I'm disabling the sports template removal, as it's being used differently than WP:CET implies. tedder (talk) 15:27, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Even after your most recent note suggesting the issue has been dealt with, the bot has continued to remove sports templates. Please fix this problem...thanks. WildCowboy (talk) 16:07, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

I disabled the whole bot here until I have time to look at it. Probably a simple oversight, but since I don't have time for the next 10 hours, disabling is easiest. FWIW, I agree that the "sports" template shouldn't be included, the meaning of that template is different than the others. (not that my personal comment really matters- the bot should just reflect what consensus is) tedder (talk) 16:38, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Oh! Simple copy/paste error, the "current sport-related" was being checked twice. So removing it once left it in there. I'll re-enable the bot when I have enough time to watch it and check/revert if necessary. tedder (talk) 16:39, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

After the bot is working again, could you leave a note at Wikipedia talk:Current event templates#Premature deprecation of the template for sports team articles about it? Since another editor had manually removed a template after it was restored, I think some clarification on the issue would help. Thanks! —C.Fred (talk) 16:51, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Already commented there. tedder (talk) 16:56, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Bot re-enabled March 7

Seeing no further concerns here or at WT:CET, I'm re-enabling the bot with the four "space" and "sport" templates disabled. tedder (talk) 03:58, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Two bans and a block?

Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Anlie8 Thought you could have something to do. Phearson (talk) 17:57, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Generally Tiptoey or the patrolling admin does it- follow up in a day or three if not. tedder (talk) 18:00, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

re: linkrot and preserving dead links

The link is up and is functional. What we're talking about here is that the principal has changed and the old reference doesn't support the current information. It's dated. The new principal is Petra Callin and not Carla Randall. That's why the reference was replaced. Dawnseeker2000 06:01, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Aha, that was never explained in your edit summary. I get it now. tedder (talk) 06:04, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Fort Rock Cave

Regarding the "address restricted" thing: Since it is WP:NRHP, it is sooo tl;dr, and it's mostly about photographs, but this discussion might interest you. Valfontis (talk) 02:40, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Nice reading- thanks! tedder (talk) 02:51, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Daryn Hinton

• Context: Daryn Hinton

Thanks for the heads up Tedder. I am a newbie at this and will try to clean the article up later. Kimohula (Kimohula (talk) 17:14, 7 March 2011 (UTC))

Yep, I'm a terrible writer, but hopefully others can chip in and help clean it up. You can also look at an article like Cillian Murphy. There's a lot of information here: Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons. My talk page stalkers might be able to give pointers to other examples and article guidelines. tedder (talk) 17:21, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

UK Governance

Re your comment at the bot requests board. In the UK, Parliament is the seat of Government, in England, the next level down is the County Council or Unitary Authority, under each County Council are a number of District Councils, and under them are a number of Parish Councils. I think that Unitary Authorities only have Parish Councils under them, being in effect partly County Councils and District Councils combined into one. So you will see why I suggested splitting lists at District Council level (it leaves room for a further split should it become necessary). Mjroots (talk) 09:59, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Claim of Sock puppets

Hi Tedder, Link Fix (talk · contribs) has reported to me that there is a spammer that allegedly keeps creating the article Satellite Direct (an article I have tagged for G11). The alleged socks as follows:

• Benzwm02 (talk · contribs)
• Pianist321 (talk · contribs)
• Pianoista (talk · contribs)
• Most recent: Bluebird777 (talk · contribs)

I cannot verify the claims, as I am not an administrator. Even as a user, I cannot see any evidence linking these so I cannot file an WP:SPI. Could you look into these please? Thank you. Phearson (talk) 20:42, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Yep, all of those users have created articles titled either "satellite direct" or "stream direct". Go ahead and create an SPI for that, post the SPI link here and I'll drop a line on the SPI. tedder (talk) 20:48, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Done - Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Bluebird777. Thanks, Tedder! Phearson (talk) 21:24, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

In regards to the other article our sock friend tried to make, see this: [11]. User may be a paid editor. Phearson (talk) 01:53, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Aha. That's the connection, probably. tedder (talk) 02:53, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

He's back

DUCKISH as ever, please salt Stream Direct. Also, reported to SPI under same master. Phearson (talk) 00:00, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

I'm happy to salt, but the user hasn't actually been banned. G11 is still accurate. tedder (talk) 00:18, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

But multiple accounts would be considered a single voice per ArbCom's Scientology case. So under that, it would be the same as if the main account had recreated it, no? Phearson (talk) 00:37, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

See WP:SOCK. Two reasons it's allowed. First, the bad behavior is creating and operating socks, not creating a spam page. So all of the "child" socks are blocked but the parent is allowed to operate. Second, if the parent account isn't used, the sock is allowed under "clean start". tedder (talk) 00:41, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

Understood. Phearson (talk) 04:14, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

New section for Portland article

Hi tedder (again), just thought you might want to know: I see that you were the one who wrote the new "Diversity and racism" section for Portland. I noticed the frequency of hidden comments about problems with the wording of the text, so I opened a discussion about it on the talk page. Hopefully we'll cleanup whatever needs to be. Jsayre64 (talk) 03:07, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks- it might be better in the lowest section of the page, that's a pretty old conversation. tedder (talk) 03:22, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

review and remove the tags

hi, Please visit my article entitled Kapil Muni Tiwary and review the tags. I am sure the tags are not necessary now. Thanks for your guidance. Your suggestions are always welcome for the improvement of the article.--arunbandana 06:01, 13 March 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arunbandana (talk • contribs)

It looks somewhat better, not great though. Feel free to remove the tags, but the "further reading", "references", and "notes" sections are awkward. I'd suggest using a standard citation style and not having self-references to Wikipedia and other sources that are questionable. tedder (talk) 06:05, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your response and guidance.I shall try my best to improve it further. Would look forward to your valuable opinions in future. --arunbandana 14:33, 13 March 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arunbandana (talk • contribs)

Help with FOIA

Hey, tedder. Do you have any experience in getting photographs out of the government? I was declined a mugshot of convicted pirate Abdi Mohammed Umar from the marshal's office. I'm not sure I can appeal their privacy reasoning, which I think is bullocks. I'm going to submit to the Navy next and see if I can get anything out of them. Phearson (talk) 15:55, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Hey. I have no clue- I'm horrible at image licensing to begin with. I've done some things from the Library of Congress, that's it. tedder (talk) 15:59, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks anyway. Phearson (talk) 16:09, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Winning in Burbank

Thanks for the correction. I will check for some more info and confirm. (EncinoChic (talk) 20:12, 16 March 2011 (UTC))

Diamond Bar High School

• context; Diamond Bar High School

(Oops! Misplaced this at IP'S talk) Was looking through recent changes and saw your revert re: Tiffany; her article Tiffany (Korean singer) lists the high school, though unsourced, and the high school's site doesn't list her. Is her facebook profile http://www.facebook.com/pages/Tiffany-Hwang-Mi-Young/24252004967?v=info [have to click (read more)] sufficient reference for either article, or spam? Dru of Id (talk) 02:24, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Hey. The facebook profile often comes from Wikipedia, so it's a snake-eating-its-own-tail sort of problem. Also, Tiffany has been added and removed a metric kazillion number of times, so it really needs a better source. Given WP:RECENTISM, it shouldn't be terribly hard to find if true. tedder (talk) 02:57, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

I'd presumed FB pages were by the subjects (Never been). Still laughing. All the references in English I can find seem to mirror WP, and the Korean ones aren't different enough to tell (And, yes I can). Oh, well. 'Work in progress', indeed. Dru of Id (talk) 09:10, 17 March 2011 (UTC)