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It is 15:25:16 on August 15, 2024, according to the server's time and date.

Asking for adminship back

Hi, I am a wikipedia user of a little over 5 years and a former admin on meta and en-wiki ~3 years ago and resigned due to taking a long wikibreak. My reasoning was that I didn't want some random user to find my page asking for help, only to not get a response (even with a disclaimer). If deemed reasonable I would like to be an administrator again.

Here's the edit where I asked for de-adminship voluntarily (no controversy involved) - [1].

Here's an little edit graph for wikipedia (english of course) [2].

Thank you for your time.

RN 16:01, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Have you made an effort to catch up on all the changes to policy (and indeed to the sysop bit itself) since 2006? Juliancolton (talk) 16:10, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

I've re-read the usual, such as Wikipedia:Administrators, Wikipedia:Administrators'_reading_list (inc. subpages), CSD policy, etc.. As for the sysop bit question, are you referring to the new umbrella of permissions administrators get now (AWB, etc.)? If not, then please do let me know, as I've read every page I could and don't see much referring to the bit itself.

Generally though, I don't use administrative tools unless I'm confident in my knowledge of the policy and use of the tool, and I think my log reflects that.

original RFA from years ago for reference.

Also, thank you very much for the response. If you have any other questions, please ask; if there is anything else I should know that I missed, please let me know, even if this request isn't granted. RN 17:37, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

I see no issues which would prevent returning the bit. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 17:43, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

While Julian has a valid point asking RN to brush up on current policy, this shouldn't be a requirement for RN to regain their bit. After all, they should not be treated differently than any admin who was simply inactive for three years without resigning their bit. Regards SoWhy 18:08, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

I don't recall this user, but I also agree with Joe and SoWhy. — Rlevse • Talk • 18:12, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

I don't disagree, but Julian makes a reasonable point- admins now have access to revdel, pending changes protection and the abuse filter, most, if not all of which, were unheard of when RN took their wikibreak. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:16, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

• That adminship is for life is an organisational disgrace, so I think that Julian is perfectly entitled to ask the obvious questions. Not that it will make any difference of course. Malleus Fatuorum 18:20, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

No, I appreciate any questions, seriously - especially with the new tools admins get now I think discussions like this are a good thing. I do remember revdel (or at least a version of it) and have perused over the text of all the other powers; back then it was restricted to people with oversight (and stewards if I recall?). This new version seems different and I'm not 100% yet what the difference is between the admin version and the oversight version is (if any) yet even after several readings. Generally in a case like this if I still didn't fully understand it I would ask another administrator or similar about it, especially given its potential for abuse. I'm pretty familiar with pending changes protection and the page on that is pretty straightforward.

Again, if anyone has any hesistations, please spell it out and let me know; being an administrator without the confidence of someone is not something I desire. RN 19:13, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

I had a look through your logs and I don't see anything concerning. That said, are you up on the WP:CSD as it is now? I notice several of the categories you used "back then" have since been moved/replaced and one or 2 new criteria have been brought in. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:20, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

(edit conflict) The current revdel is the same (afaik) that oversighters have, although on a different level. It was enabled basically to make it unnecessary for admins to delete and selectively restore an article to remove one or more revisions. Oversight still exists as a way to remove such revisions from the sight of all users, including admins. Regards SoWhy 19:20, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

• Totally agree with Malleous, the fact that admin status is allegedly for life is a disgrace and unsupportable as an authoritative claim. This returning user has been away longer than he was active and has no lifetime right to any authority here. Ask him to open a RFA and we can see if the community supports users having a lifetime authority here and if the community supports leavers returning after over three years and immediately having automatic authoritative tools here. Off2riorob (talk) 20:04, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

You and Malleus may very well be right, but denying this user the return of the bit will do nothing to change the policy as you advocate. —DoRD (talk) 20:12, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

It is not denying it is simply asking him to see if there is community support for his desire. Off2riorob (talk) 20:14, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

If RN had simply left or edited only a little during this time but kept the bit, we wouldn't be having this discussion as no abuse whatsoever of the bit has been presented here. If you want a policy change on inactive admins or such, propose a policy change, but this is not the time nor forum for that. — Rlevse • Talk • 20:16, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

ec addition to reply to User:Department of Redundancy Department..your comment is correct also, this case of a long term user returning like this may well be something to take to the community for feedback as per the automatic for life resopping guideline (please provide a link to this part of the policy/guideline please) if the returnee feels he has community support and opens an RFA we will get some feedback on that issue. Off2riorob (talk) 20:14, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

ec reply to Rlevse, it is clearly the time to raise the issue, I strongly object to this returnee after such a long period of absence being automatically given administrative authority. Off2riorob (talk) 20:23, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

• While Malleus Fatuorum and Off2riorob may decry the "admin for life" culture that is a fact of life here, their objections are moot; the failure of the recent Rfc WP:CDA, which administrator votes helped deep-six, shows there is little hope of even modifying it soon. Term limits have also been rejected by the community as well, and I see little desire among Wikipedians to reopen that issue. I believe there is no precedent for a requirement that former admins must submit to another Rfa, and doing so now would open yet another can of worms. Given these facts, all any of us can do, regardless of what we might wish, is to put a good face on it - so, welcome back to adminship, RN. Jusdafax 20:32, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

This is the kind of personalized comment from Justafax that is actually disruptive, he simply objects to anything to do with me nothing actually to do with the issue under discussion at all. Off2riorob (talk) 20:35, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Both Malleus and Randy are correct. This is not the correct forum, and inevitably someone will be along shortly to flip the bit back on, irrespective of anything - no offence at all to RN intended (I see no issue with the resysop FWIW). Rob - by arguing the toss over this you're simply adding to the big "WP:DEAL" thing over adminship. If admins are just people with a few buttons on a website that other people on the website don't have (which they are) then it should be "easy come, easy go". I understand concerns about legacy admins regaining the tools (I have in the past being very vocal against legacy admins and in particular bureaucrats) but I've changed my mind to think that if we really want to de-escalate the "them versus us" cancer spreading on WP betweeen admins and non admins then uncontroversial resysops may be a good place to start. Pedro :  Chat  20:36, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

(edit conflict, @Off2riorob) Sorry, but I have this page watchlisted and comment here often, for what it is worth. AGF, eh? Jusdafax 20:38, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Because he is upset because I won a content dispute over a year ago to remove a POV comment from the lede of an artice he has ownership issues with, Karl Rove and he repeatedly shows up everywhere and calls for my indefinate blocking from the site, I look forward to his request for extra buttons. Off2riorob (talk) 20:46, 10 July 2010 (UTC)