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*I agree with both opinions above. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:Sandstein|<font style="color:white;background:blue;font-family:sans-serif;">''' Sandstein '''</font>]]</span></small> 05:59, 21 January 2014 (UTC) |
*I agree with both opinions above. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:Sandstein|<font style="color:white;background:blue;font-family:sans-serif;">''' Sandstein '''</font>]]</span></small> 05:59, 21 January 2014 (UTC) |
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*'''Closing:''' Since the banning admin, [[User:The Blade of the Northern Lights]], does not object to lifting the ban and nobody in this AE has objected either it is clear that consensus exists to lift Rainer P.'s ban. At the suggestion of [[User:Penwhale]] I'm logging a notice of the discretionary sanctions to Rainer P. in [[WP:Requests for arbitration/Prem Rawat]]. We are all hoping that the battleground editing on [[Prem Rawat]] does not resume. [[User:EdJohnston|EdJohnston]] ([[User talk:EdJohnston|talk]]) 19:22, 22 January 2014 (UTC) |
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IHaveAMastersDegree
IHaveAMastersDegree is topic-banned (per WP:TBAN) from everything that is both related to climate change and to a living person, for the duration of six months. Sandstein 21:25, 21 January 2014 (UTC) |
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning IHaveAMastersDegree
@Sandstein:, why would an admin gave to check the source? I already did, but it is here in full. Darkness Shines (talk) 09:20, 18 January 2014 (UTC) @HJ Mitchell: Edit warring over the source misrepresentation. That is the third revert in a day BTW.
Discussion concerning IHaveAMastersDegreeStatements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by IHaveAMastersDegreeResponses: 1) Delingpole is widely credited with having created the AGW "climategate" conspiracy theory. See for example, [2] I would be happy to add a citation to this source. 2) The source said that he *says* he questions. If he said he was a unicorn, that would not make him a unicorn. "Assert" is a synonym for "says." Please feel free to change the word "assert" to the word "says." 3) He says he questions, but I have not seen a citation to a source in which he is actually questioning. Presumably he believes what he says, so to be on the safe side I changed it to an actual quote from an actual source in which he says that anthropogenic global warming is "the invention of a cabal of activists." 4) See answer to point #1. If someone who is skeptical can be called a skeptic, and someone who denies can be called a denier, then presumably someone who creates conspiracy theories can be called a conspiracy theorist. All of these labels have been used without citation on the talk page, so I was simply adhering to an established convention. IHaveAMastersDegree (talk) 03:36, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
Statement by TillmanDespite advice and cautions from other editors, for example at Talk:James_Delingpole#Source_misrepresentation, new editor IHaveAMastersDegree continues to post dubious to unacceptable material to BLP articles in the Climate Change area. To date, from my observations of his contributions, which are almost exclusively edits to BLP articles, he appears to be doing more harm than good to the project. He doesn't seem to be learning the stringent requirements for BLP material.--Pete Tillman (talk) 06:46, 18 January 2014 (UTC) Statement by dave souzaSynthesis is unacceptable, particularly in BLPs, but is also a requirement that has a learning curve. In press reporting of climate science, fringe views are commonly referred to as "climate skeptic" views: essentially this is jargon, but it is also a misuse of the word skepticism and in particular misrepresents fringe views as though they have "equal validity" with proper scientific skepticism and mainstream science. The issue has been discussed by the National Center for Science Education in a page Why Is It Called Denial? | NCSE, and by the historian Spencer Weart: Global warming: How skepticism became denial. Wikipedia is not here to right great wrongs, but care is appropriate in language to achieve NPOV: if we follow the majority of sources, particularly in press reports, we risk giving undue weight to fringe ideas. I've not had time yet to examine this editor's edits closely, but feel that User:IHaveAMastersDegree has been making a genuine attempt to address a real failing in Wikipedia's coverage of this topic. The user undoubtedly has to learn exactly how to fully comply with BLP requirements, particularly on synthesis, before editing biographical articles, but has the potential to make good contributions to Wikipedia, including the general topic area of science and climate science. . . . dave souza, talk 20:45, 21 January 2014 (UTC) Result concerning IHaveAMastersDegreeThis section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.
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Arbitration enforcement action appeal by Rainer P.
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Appealing user
- Rainer P. (talk · contribs) / Rainer P. (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
User imposing the sanction
- The Blade of the Northern Lights (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) / The Blade of the Northern Lights (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Notification of User imposing sanction
Sanction being appealed
- Indefinite topic ban since November 16th 2012 from all articles and discussions related to Prem Rawat for persistent battleground behaviour [4]
I have informed The Blade of the Northern Light of this appeal.--Rainer P. (talk) 18:29, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
Statement by Rainer P.
- I have been indefinitely topic-banned by The Blade of the Northern Lights, for “persistent battleground behaviour” but he provides no evidence or diffs to support that charge.
- I have never engaged in “battleground behavior”. I regard my influence there as neutral, moderate and conciliatory. About the only comment about me on Prem Rawat talk notes “Rainer's attempt to pull this discussion back on track seems a move in a positive direction”.[5]
- I have edited the Prem Rawat article less than 10 times in three years. I have made edits only with full consent from all editors after previous discussion on the talk page. My last edit to the article before being banned for “battleground behaviour” on November 16th 2012 was on October 19th 2012.[6]. My previous edit to the article was December 29th, 2011 to correct punctuation.[7]
- Most of my edits have been to the Talk Page because I have extensive knowledge of the subject and want to help the article editors.[8] In the three weeks prior to being banned I made 10 edits to the talk page, most discussing choosing a picture for the article.
- It is true that Prem Rawat articles sometimes resemble a battleground but I have not been involved in it. The main reason for that situation is the behaviour of one editor, Pat W, who has been warned for incivility and battleground behaviour nineteen times on his talk page.[9][10][11][12][13][14][15][16][17][18][19][20][21][22][23][24][25][26] Not to mention the countless times he has been asked to stop on the PR talk pages. [27]
- I have never been warned or criticised in over three years of editing.
- I have never been part of an Arbitration action. And so, as per Discretionary Sanctions, I should have received a warning before banning.[28][29]
- I have never been banned or blocked or otherwise been subject to disciplinary actions.
- I have looked at all my edits and I cannot see what I have done wrong.
- Blade of the Northern Lights says the reason for the ban is “although Rainer P. didn't himself initiate many proposals on the talk page, I saw that he was showing up to support the other two with an extremely high level of frequency”.[30] I have made 500 edits in 18 months, hardly “an extremely high level of frequency” and an inspection of my edits show very few involved supporting one view or another. Silk Tork reviewed my edits and concluded “I've looked back at the contributions of Rainer P. (which are mainly to the talkpage of Prem Rawat) and I cannot find any problematic edits”. [31] Another independent editor said “Rainer was always mild mannered, polite, and conciliatory in his positions”.[32]
- SUMMARY: I have an exemplary record at Wikipedia. I have never been blocked, banned or sanctioned in any way. No evidence was presented that shows me involved in “battleground behaviour” or incivility. No evidence was presented that show me editing in a POV or inappropriate way. In fact, no evidence of any sort justifies the ban. Please lift it.
- PS: Are topic banned editors allowed to comment on this appeal?
Statement by Blade of the Northern Lights
It's taken me a while to refresh my memory of this. As I recall, Rainer P. was more marginally involved in the problematic editing there, and I'd be all right with a lifting of his topic ban at this point. I'm generally in support of second chances, and Rainer P.'s editing outside the topic gives me no cause for concern. Given the troubled history of the article it would be good for someone to keep an eye on things, but I don't see an inordinate risk in lifting this topic ban; if it does become a problem, that can be dealt with. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 21:12, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
Statement by (involved editor)
Discussion among uninvolved editors about the appeal by Rainer P.
Rainer P.: Editors who are topic-banned from the topic of Prem Rawat are not allowed to comment here. A few questions:
- Is there a reason why you waited more than a year to appeal a sanction that you believe was inappropriate to begin with?
- Why have you not addressed this appeal to the sanctioning admin first?
- You have made almost no edits to Wikipedia since the sanction. Why? If the sanction is lifted, what kinds of edits do you intend to make? Sandstein 10:48, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
- Ha! Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition... but let me try and answer your questions.
- ad 1) I did not really wait, but over a year has simply passed before my busy life gave me a break to get back to Wikipedia, and also the result of my last appeal in December 2012 was not really encouraging. Besides it shows I am not overzealous. I still think the ban was inappropriate to begin with, but I have no inclination to fight over this.
- ad 2) I had no idea that appealing to Blade of the Northern Light were the first choice option. From the way he remained unimpressed by my legitimate reasoning during my first appeal, it did not occur to me, either.
- ad 3) I guess, I am what you might call a Single Purpose Account. I joined .enWP at a time, when the article about Prem Rawat was dominated by a group of amazingly energetic detractors, whose declared goal was to not let any possibly favourable public information about the subject go unsmirched. The whole „battleground“-issue arose from that. I happen to have the education and the experience to be able to offer some expertise to the article. The Prem Rawat article has remained largely unedited since that ban. It can certainly be improved, but I would rather leave that to native English speakers. I would mainly like to keep the article updated on current or recent notable developements, which have not been covered since that „nuclear“ ban, which left no one to do so. I am ready and willing to observe Wiki-rules strictly, which my history confirms.--Rainer P. (talk) 16:06, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
Result of the appeal by Rainer P.
- This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.
Contrary to Rainer P.'s assertions, the sanction is not made invalid by the apparent lack of a prior warning. At the time the sanction was imposed, in November 2012, the remedy governing sanctions (Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Prem Rawat#Article probation) provided for article probation, a type of sanction that allows topic bans but does not require a prior warning. Only later, by motion of 20 December 2012, did the Committee apply standard discretionary sanctions (which do require a warning) to the topic area, while explicitly maintaining the existing sanctions.
The motion of 20 December 2012 was the result of an earlier appeal of this sanction by Rainer P. to the Arbitration Committee. The Committee did not accept or decline this appeal, but enacted the motion with the apparent intent to provide for a venue of appeal in this noticeboard (see, e.g., the comments by SilkTork, Roger Davies, Newyorkbrad and Courcelles). The appeal is therefore permissible and the sanction can be reviewed here.
On the merits, I'm waiting for a statement by The Blade of the Northern Lights, which should provide examples of the "persistent battleground behavior" given as the reason for the sanction. The case for imposing a ban is, at least, not immediately obvious from a cursory look at the appellant's edits. In response to the earlier appeal to the Arbitration Committee, The Blade of the Northern Lights said that Rainer P. had been "supporting" two other editors in "a pattern of editing that was slowly but surely slanting the article away from criticisms of Rawat". But The Blade of the Northern Lights did not say how, in their view, this constituted a violation of any applicable conduct rule, and they did not provide diffs of the edits they considered disruptive. I'd appreciate it if they would supply this information now. Sandstein 19:29, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
- Since BoNL supports lifting TBAN, I recommend lifting TBAN, replace with logged DS notification. It's suitable since Rainer was previously sanctioned in this area, in my opinion. - Penwhale | dance in the air and follow his steps 05:37, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
- I was ready to post a detailed defence of Rainer P.'s actions (which I don't believe justified a topic ban then or justify keeping it in place now). However, since TBotNL is now saying that he has no objection to lifting the ban and giving Rainer a second chance, I agree that this would be the best approach. — Richwales (no relation to Jimbo) 05:55, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
- I agree with both opinions above. Sandstein 05:59, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
- Closing: Since the banning admin, User:The Blade of the Northern Lights, does not object to lifting the ban and nobody in this AE has objected either it is clear that consensus exists to lift Rainer P.'s ban. At the suggestion of User:Penwhale I'm logging a notice of the discretionary sanctions to Rainer P. in WP:Requests for arbitration/Prem Rawat. We are all hoping that the battleground editing on Prem Rawat does not resume. EdJohnston (talk) 19:22, 22 January 2014 (UTC)