Wikipedia:Closure requests

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The Closure requests noticeboard is for posting requests to have an uninvolved editor assess, summarize, and formally close a discussion on Wikipedia. Formal closure by an uninvolved editor or administrator should be requested where consensus appears unclear, where the issue is a contentious one, or where there are wiki-wide implications, such as when the discussion is about creating, abolishing or changing a policy or guideline.

Many discussions do not need formal closure and do not need to be listed here.

Many discussions result in a reasonably clear consensus, so if the consensus is clear, any editor—even one involved in the discussion—may close the discussion. The default length of a formal request for comment is 30 days (opened on or before 19 May 2024); if consensus becomes clear before that and discussion has slowed, then it may be closed earlier. However, editors usually wait at least a week after a discussion opens, unless the outcome is very obvious, so that there is enough time for a full discussion.

On average, it takes two or three weeks after a discussion has ended to get a formal closure from an uninvolved editor. When the consensus is reasonably clear, participants may be best served by not requesting closure and then waiting weeks for a formal closure.

If the consensus of a given discussion appears unclear, then you may post a brief and neutrally worded request for closure here; be sure to include a link to the discussion itself and the {{Initiated}} template at the beginning of the request. Do not use this board to continue the discussion in question. A helper script is available to make listing discussions easier.

If you disagree with a particular closure, please discuss matters on the closer's talk page, and, if necessary, request a closure review at the administrators' noticeboard. Include links to the closure being challenged and the discussion on the closer's talk page, and also include a policy-based rationale supporting your request for the closure to be overturned.

See Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Closure review archive for previous closure reviews.

Any uninvolved editor may close most discussions, so long as they are prepared to discuss and justify their closing rationale.

Because requests for closure made here are often those that are the most contentious, closing these discussions can be a significant responsibility. Closers should be familiar with all policies and guidelines that could apply to the given discussion. All closers should be prepared to fully discuss the closure rationale with any editors who have questions about the closure or the underlying policies, and to provide advice about where to discuss any remaining concerns that those editors may have. Closers who want to discuss their evaluation of consensus while preparing for a close may use WP:Discussions for discussion.

A request for comment from February of 2013 discussed the process for appealing a closure and whether or not an administrator could summarily overturn a non-administrator's closure. The consensus of that discussion was that closures should not be reverted solely because the closer was not an administrator. However, special considerations apply for articles for deletion and move discussions—see Wikipedia:Deletion process#Non-administrators closing discussions and Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions#Non-admin closure for details.

To reduce editing conflicts and an undesirable duplication of effort when closing a discussion listed on this page, please append {{Doing}} to the discussion's entry here. When finished, replace it with {{Close}} or {{Done}} and an optional note, and consider sending a {{Ping}} to the editor who placed the request. A request where a close is deemed unnecessary can be marked with {{Not done}}. After addressing a request, please mark the {{Initiated}} template with |done=yes. ClueBot III will automatically archive requests marked with {{Already done}}, {{Close}}, {{Done}} {{Not done}}, and {{Resolved}}.

Other areas tracking old discussions

• Wikipedia:Requested moves#Elapsed listings
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Old
• Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion
• Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Awaiting closure
• Wikipedia:Templates for discussion#Old discussions
• Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion#Old business
• Wikipedia:Proposed mergers/Log
• Wikipedia:Proposed article splits

Administrative discussions

Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#A plethora of drafts

(Initiated 242 days ago on 20 October 2023) This ANI thread has been open for more than three weeks now. I tried to formalize what looked like an earlier consensus on the 7th in the hopes this could be wrapped up, and that has attracted some new opposition, so I want to be clear that this isn't an attempt to push through my proposal (I no longer believe it has consensus). Just... four weeks at ANI is too long for this. asilvering (talk) 20:21, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

Requests for comment

Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#RfC on Module:Find sources - replace New York Times with Associated Press

(Initiated 283 days ago on 9 September 2023) Requesting an uninvolved closer. Note that some editors do not want replacing, but are okay with adding. starship .paint (RUN) 12:35, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Talk:Brothers of Italy#RfC: Neo-fascism in infobox 2

(Initiated 275 days ago on 16 September 2023) The last vote was made in September, however, the discussion continued until last week, and it has died down since then. This RfC will need a proper, third-party closure because this article is controversial. To the editor who plans to close this RfC, please read the survey and discussion carefully, to determine the actual consensus of the RfC. --Vacant0 (talk) 10:41, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#RfC: Required disclosure for admin paid advising

(Initiated 267 days ago on 24 September 2023) Only one new comment in the last week. There is circa 50k of discussion to read including 90 numbered votes, This needs an experienced closer with time to do a lot of reading and the time to write a strong closing summary. Thryduulf (talk) 01:47, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#RfC on the "Airlines and destinations" tables in airport articles

(Initiated 261 days ago on 30 September 2023) The consensus seems unclear. Sunnya343 (talk) 15:56, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Village pump (WMF)#RfC to issue a non-binding resolution to the Wikimedia Foundation

(Initiated 259 days ago on 3 October 2023) BilledMammal (talk) 08:29, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Talk:Foreskin#Function policy statements RfC

(Initiated 258 days ago on 3 October 2023) Prcc27 (talk) 02:54, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Village_pump (proposals)#Enable RC patrolling (aka patrolling for edits)

(Initiated 251 days ago on 10 October 2023) No new participants since Oct 23rd. Maybe it should be advertised in WP:CENT instead of closure, I'd be happy to do so if people think number of participants is too low for a closure. Ladsgroup^overleg 01:20, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#RfC: Venezuelanalysis

(Initiated 251 days ago on 11 October 2023) No comments from new editors in over two weeks. NoonIcarus (talk) 01:14, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Second initiation – SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:47, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Talk:List of Islamist terrorist attacks#Should Operation Al-Aqsa Flood by Hamas included in the list of Islamist Terrorist attacks?

(Initiated 246 days ago on 15 October 2023) Last vote was 7 days ago and discussion is now just back and forth between editors who have already voted and who aren't going to convince either side of anything. This needs a line under it it. Can an uninvolved editor please close this contentious RfC. TarnishedPath^talk 01:46, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#RfC: Correo del Orinoco (Orinoco Tribune)

(Initiated 246 days ago on 15 October 2023) No new comments in over three weeks. NoonIcarus (talk) 01:14, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#RFC: Al-Mayadeen

(Initiated 246 days ago on 15 October 2023) No new participants in several days, and only one new participant in the past ~three weeks. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 04:32, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Deletion discussions

XFD backlog

V	Mar	Apr	May	Jun	Total
CfD	0	6	17	74	97
TfD	0	0	2	1	3
MfD	0	0	0	1	1
FfD	0	0	0	3	3
RfD	0	0	10	16	26
AfD	0	0	0	0	0

Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion#INTDABLINK of redirects from incomplete disambiguation

(Initiated 247 days ago on 14 October 2023)

Please, somebody, close this. (I initially made an early close as a hopeless WP:TRAINWRECK, given there are three hundred and fifty or so nominations here, but my close got contested and reverted.) Edward-Woodrow (talk) 23:22, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

Since then, several of the involved pages have been deleted or struck off the list. Have fun. (Probably best to use AWB or JWB). Edward-Woodrow (talk) 23:23, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

I mean, I'd close it myself, but I've !voted, so it would be kind of stupid to make a bad involved close that would be reverted (thus the second). Edward-Woodrow (talk) 23:24, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

 In progress. This is going to take a minute, though. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 01:19, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion#🔞

(Initiated 245 days ago on 16 October 2023)

Four proposed options for retargetting, besides !votes to keep or delete. Edward-Woodrow (talk) 23:26, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

Other types of closing requests

Talk:Type 3 diabetes#Merger discussion

(Initiated 385 days ago on 29 May 2023) Could an uninvolved editor assess the consensus to merge Type 3 diabetes and Alzheimer's disease. Klbrain (talk) 18:05, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Talk:Effects of Hurricane Georges in the Dominican Republic#Merge proposal

(Initiated 328 days ago on 25 July 2023) Either this has come to a consensus, or it won’t, but either way knowing if a merge is warranted from an external source would be helpful --47.21.192.218 (talk) 19:44, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Talk:Richard Garriott#Lord British merge proposal

(Initiated 327 days ago on 26 July 2023) I need an administrator to close this merge discussion. Dream Focus 04:34, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Talk:Yaroslav Hunka#Requested 6 October 2023 - Addition

(Initiated 256 days ago on 6 October 2023) Protected edit request became a full-scale discussion, and appears to have stalled. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 22:46, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

{{tick}} Request marked as "not done" (and "answered") by Firefangledfeathers. SilverLocust 💬 11:12, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

 Reopened I marked the edit request as answered because edit requests are only for uncontroversial changes, and it was evident that the requested change was controversial. After much discussion, it's reasonable for participants to request outside consensus assessment and closure. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 13:01, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

WP:VPR#Temporary moratorium on new proposals regarding deletion, notability and related matters

(Initiated 255 days ago on 7 October 2023) Discussion has died out, but could do with formal closure. BilledMammal (talk) 03:49, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Archived (transfer back to talk page to close). P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 12:19, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

I feel like this proposal is something of a moot point anyway. Alpha3031 (t • c) 01:45, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Talk:2023 Australian Indigenous Voice referendum#Proposed Merger

(Initiated 247 days ago on 14 October 2023) - This is a relatively short thread. Riposte97 (talk) 09:36, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

Talk:Anthroposophy#Christian Gnosticism

(Initiated 234 days ago on 27 October 2023) It has become tedious (attacks upon WP:PSCI policy). tgeorgescu (talk) 04:22, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

Talk:Climate apocalypse#2nd Merger proposal into climate change and civilizational collapse

(Initiated 232 days ago on 29 October 2023) I am surprised such small articles have generated such a complicated discussion. Please could someone close this merge discussion thanks. Chidgk1 (talk) 13:59, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Talk:Anthroposophy#Epistemology, Ontology etc

(Initiated 231 days ago on 30 October 2023) Shenanigans about materialism, going nowhere. tgeorgescu (talk) 00:08, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Talk:2023 Israel–Hamas war/Archive 26#NPOV: "killed" vs "massacred"

(Initiated 229 days ago on 1 November 2023) – Discussion has died down (and the section is archived) but its still unclear on whether it is more NPOV to use "killed" instead of "massacred" in the context of this war.VR _talk 05:32, 12 November 2023 (UTC)