Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Women in Red

Woman of the day: a new one each day from our women's biographies

FAs now on our Showcase page

For some time now I've been adding GAs about women and their works to our Showcase page. While I know WikiProject Women in Green is more concerned about high quality ratings than we are, I thought it would be interesting to include a list of FAs and FLs. Two immediate observations: 1) favourites for FAs are singers and their songs, and actresses (11 out of 19 in 2023 and 30 out of 54 in 2022); and 2) the number of FAs about women is significantly lower this year than in 2022. Over the next few days, I'll try to add lists for earlier years. It might also be interesting to specify which articles started under Women is Red.--Ipigott (talk) 10:00, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

I do wonder if it might be worth making a shared showcase for us, Women in Green and Wikiproject Women. It'd simplify things, share the efforts, and we could mark things specific to us or WIG. Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 8.5% of all FPs.} 13:45, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion, Adam, but I think each project has different priorities. WP Women is Red is interested mainly in the creation of articles about women and their works. Our Recognized content page lists among other things FAs and GAs for which the talk page specifically carries a WiR template. But as we are more generally interested in the coverage of women as compared to men, I thought it would be interesting to compile lists of GAs and FAs for women and their works on a month by month basis, irrespective of specific wikiproject tags. On WikiProject Women, there is a page on Featured Articles arranged in alphabetical order as biographies and as other pertinent articles. On WikiProject Women in Green, the Current Feature Content page lists in alphabetical order all featured articles, featured lists, and good articles. As you are something of an expert in connection with featured content on Signpost and coordination of featured pictures, you may be able to suggest a better way of organizing these resources, perhaps also presenting the results for men's biographies and their works for comparison. Failing this, the three wikiprojects you mention could perhaps share a summary of how FAs and GAs are covered, along the lines I have just presented. For starters, I could also mention WiG's involvement in pertinent FAs and would be happy to add any other relevant details.--Ipigott (talk) 12:21, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

As a footnote, I've added WiR and WiG to the FAs where appropriate. If there are others which should be included, contributors might like to add banners to the relative talk pages and let me know here. Up to now, I've only got back to 2019 but hope to continue with earlier years.--Ipigott (talk) 14:41, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Well, if we're including non-WiR FAs on our showcase anyway, and have to mark which ones started under WiR, then the Showcase is kind of combined already Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 8.5% of all FPs.} 17:28, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

I think Women in Red needs to do both: keep monitoring "recognized content" as well as overall progress on featured content about women. But however we go about it, I'm pleased to see that this discussion has led to a tremendous new interest in our Showcase page over the past three days, reaching over 150 page views on the 17th (up from an average of about 10 a day). It looks as if people really are curious to see what kind of articles are being promoted. Maybe it would also be useful to add the same kind of brief explanations to our GAs. If time permits, I could have a go with those promoted in August.--Ipigott (talk) 16:15, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

For those interested, I've now added short explanations to the GAs for 2023. I'll soon be adding WiR and WiG where applicable.--Ipigott (talk) 13:25, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Have checked through those up to now for 2023. It looks as if at least 34 of them have benefited from support from WiR or WiG.--Ipigott (talk) 19:46, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

August record month for FAs and GAs

While we're still looking at statistics, for August our Showcase page now lists 11 new FAs about women or their works and 62 new GAs, both far in excess of the usual monthly averages. While WP:Women in Green has as usual been active in this regard, the increase in the number of GAs seems to have benefited from interest in popular singers and their songs (of which there were 23).--Ipigott (talk) 06:47, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

Julia Masli, clown

I just created a draft for Julia Masli, a clown who has gotten a lot of attention from her performances at the Edinburgh Festival Fringe. Thriley (talk) 05:02, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

There was already at least one red link for her, and now another as I've added the 2023 winners to Malcolm_Hardee#The_Annual_Malcolm_Hardee_Awards_(2005–present). I've also adde re her training. There are probably lots of reviews out there. Please remember to turn your bare URL references into properly formatted ones. PamD 08:07, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

@Thriley: The image on that is up for deletion and was uploaded by someone called juliamasli. Did you get in touch with her? Is this her? If yes to both, you should probably explain to her that she needs to get a formal permission from the photographer, either on the photographer's web site or via https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wikimedia_VRT_release_generator. --GRuban (talk) 18:52, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

I sent her an email through her website asking for her or someone else to upload a photo. I’m not sure she understood the procedure initially, but I think it will be figured out. Thriley (talk) 04:36, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

Are there enough sources for an article for Katriona O'Sullivan?

Hi all

I recently listened to a discussion with the academic Katriona O'Sullivan and wanted to check if you think there are enough sources for an article (I don't understand the rules for notability for academics well), but I assume it is, this is what I can find (much of it is paywalled):

• https://www.timeshighereducation.com/people/interview-katriona-osullivan
• https://www.irishtimes.com/podcasts/the-womens-podcast/katriona-osullivan-i-remember-cleaning-the-toilets-going-is-this-my-destiny/
• https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/books/review/2023/05/27/poor-by-katriona-osullivan-what-will-you-do-to-change-society-for-people-like-this/
• https://www.rte.ie/radio/podcasts/22253204-dr-katriona-osullivans-memoir-poor/
• https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/i-sat-drinking-in-the-knowledge-and-for-the-first-time-in-my-life-i-felt-alive-1.4674595
• https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-65682390
• https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/may/17/raised-by-addicts-abused-neglected-broke-how-katriona-osullivan-escaped-her-fate
• https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001mblk
• https://www.independent.ie/entertainment/books/book-reviews/katriona-osullivans-rage-at-a-society-which-turns-its-back-on-children-like-her-comes-from-agonising-experience/a916859996.html
• https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/from-homeless-and-expecting-at-15-to-a-lecturer-at-trinity-college/35567839.html
• https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/books/2023/05/20/our-house-was-wild-and-unpredictable-i-was-starved-and-cold-and-unloved/
• https://www.independent.ie/life/family/family-features/my-dad-is-my-hero-for-overcoming-heroin-addiction-trinity-lecturer-who-overcame-homelessness/35578430.html

Thanks

John Cummings (talk) 09:31, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

John Cummings absolutely enough sources to meet GNG, so you don't need to worry about prof or author. Just looking at the ones I can access and omitting the interviews which can be used to flesh out details but not for weighing notability you have sufficient independent sources over time (2017-2023). I did a search, by date and found articles going back to 2007, although I cannot access most of the articles in the Irish Independent or Irish Times to see whether they are independent or an interview. In the lede, don't limit her as an academic, all of the articles make it clear she is an advocate for better access to high education. SusunW (talk) 14:40, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

Accessing 2 of Max Klein's research papers

I was looking here: Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Research. Clicked the links for these two but couldn't get to the articles. Help? Thanks.

• Klein, Maximilian. "Wikipedia Gender Indicators (WIGI)". WMF labs. Retrieved 15 June 2016.
• Klein, Maximilian; et al. "Monitoring the Gender Gap with Wikidata Human Gender Indicators" (PDF). Retrieved 18 June 2016.

Rosiestep (talk) 13:09, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

Rosiestep, perhaps they have been moved or are no longer maintained. I found archived versions

• https://web.archive.org/web/20210301130237/http://wigi.wmflabs.org/
• https://web.archive.org/web/20191229063055/http://whgi.wmflabs.org/monitoring-gender-gap.pdf

TSventon (talk) 14:08, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, TSventon! --Rosiestep (talk) 16:24, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

And thank you, Rosiestep, for the improvements you've been making to our Research page.--Ipigott (talk) 05:53, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

Photograph of Berit Lindholm

The photograph of Berit Lindholm, File:Lindholm_Portrait2.jpg, which appeared on the main page DYK section on 30 September has been nominated for deletion on Commons here. Does anyone here know about the copyright rules for Swedish photos, which are summarised here? According to its description, the photo was taken in the 1960s. TSventon (talk) 07:39, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

At that stage she was having a very international career (ie little in Sweden). So there's no real reason to assume it was taken or published in Sweden or by a Swede. The trouble is, as the nom says, we've no idea where it came from. Johnbod (talk) 12:48, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

The photo was probably published by Lindholm as she signed multiple copies, see here and here. Lindholm was based at Royal Swedish Opera until 1972 and always lived in Sweden. TSventon (talk) 18:23, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

TSventon My reading of the Swedish copyright says typical press photographs don't meet the threshold of artistic work, but posed photographs do. To be eligible for WP they must be free of restriction in both Sweden and the US, so must meet one of these two criteria, which a portrait from the 1960s cannot meet. I tried to narrow the date by looking at Swedish newspaper archives but for the life of me, I cannot figure out how to see what is on the page. So, the other option is what was published in the US. I find two images 1) this one was clearly not a derivative work of someplace else, is anonymous, has no copyright mark or wording on either the masthead or publishing notice and is not registered in the 1970 periodical catalog under The San Francisco Examiner or the Hearst Corporation (see p 470), which only appears to have copyrighted its magazine holdings. It could be uploaded using {{PD-US-no notice}} and 2) this one is clearly a publicity photograph because it was first published in 1970 and republished in 1972. Although it is anonymous, to my mind, it could have been taken in Sweden and been protected, so to rule that out one would have to figure out how to see the images in the Swedish archive. If it does not appear there, it could be uploaded with the same US license as #1 because the first publishing (1970) in the Napa Register shows no copyright mark or wording on the masthead or publishing notice and is not listed in the 1970 periodicals catalog. SusunW (talk) 15:34, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

SusunW thank you for the advice, I will copy this conversation to the Berit Lindholm talk page and respond there to try and keep discussion in one place. TSventon (talk) 17:54, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

Some more artists

Here are a few more notable artists in red:

• Lisa Krugell (https://www.navigart.fr/mamcs/artworks?filters=authors%3AKRUGELL%20Lisa%20Elisabeth%E2%86%B9KRUGELL%20Lisa%20Elisabeth&page=1&layout=grid&sort=by_author)

• Jacqueline Rau (https://www.navigart.fr/mamcs/artworks?filters=authors%3ARAU%20Jacqueline%E2%86%B9RAU%20Jacqueline&page=1&layout=grid&sort=by_author)

• Nelly Stulz (https://www.navigart.fr/mamcs/artworks?filters=authors%3ASTULZ%20Nelly%E2%86%B9STULZ%20Nelly&page=1&layout=grid&sort=by_author)

Their notability is given (apart from their obvious talent) by their presence in the collection of at least one major museum.

Edelseider (talk) 14:59, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

These are great. See: Lisa Krugell and Jacqueline Rau on French wikipedia. Also, all three on wikidata: d:Q46551568; d:Q105826795; and d:Q106642291 (as well as a lovely portrait of Nelly Stultz by Hans Mathis) for possible source material. -- Cl3phact0 (talk) 16:59, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

@Cl3phact0: Yes, Nelly Stulz was apparently a very good-looking woman, which doesn't hurt - see also this painting by her colleague Lika Marowska (hey, another red link!) --Edelseider (talk) 17:16, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

Indeed. Angelika Marowska wikidata:Q107769690.-- Cl3phact0 (talk) 22:43, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

@Cl3phact0: I've just updated Nelly Stulz's Wikidata record with some very useful references. Her father was an artist too, Gustav Adolf Stulz (aka Gustave Adolphe Stulz), he lived and worked in this beautiful house (where Nelly probably grew up): https://www.archi-wiki.org/Adresse:3_rue_Jean_Jacques_Rousseau_(Strasbourg). It's all very interesting. --Edelseider (talk) 11:52, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

WiR in the 2023 LSP fanzine

Nattes à chat, the Executive Director of LSP is putting together a 2023 wiki feminist fanzine and is seeking input from wikiwomen's groups, including WiR. I sought clarification and this was provided: "H... we want content for our fanzine . This year we want to represent all groups involved in bridging the gender gap. : it can be a 3000 sign article detailing the main events of the 2023 year with a high quality drawing or photograph. Content is preferably punchy and feminist. We also need basic information and a "quote" from someone of the group for our poster page which will be a world map of the wikimedia movement representinmg groups of women* + LGBTIQ groups in the world  : women summit / women in red also for our poster page : group photo or slide photo and basic details of the group a bit like here. Deadline 30 September."

As I'll be providing the info for WikiWomenSummit x Wikimania 2023, it would be great if someone else can do it for WiR. What it would entail is basic info about WiR, plus maybe snipets of quotes from Happy 8th Anniversary Women in Red, plus maybe putting together all of the 2023 WiR logos used thus far.

As we are well-aware, historically, women's organizations were not well-documented. Glad to see that there is an opportunity to shine a light on us in our own words. Thanks in advance. --Rosiestep (talk) 18:29, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

In that case, Nattes à chat, for a start there's lots of info and links in connection with our eighth anniversary on Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/274. When I have time I'll look at your Fanzine page and see what more we can provide.--Ipigott (talk) 16:37, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

I've finally found the Fanzine page on the FR Wiki. It seems to me to be aimed first and foremost at French-language contributors.--Ipigott (talk) 05:49, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

@Ipigott, you're definitely right that the fanzine will be aimed at French contributors. I understand from Rosie they are keen to include information about groups around the world. There is a discussion here where they list a lot of women's groups they are keen to feature, including WiR, Art+Feminism, WikiDonne etc. I'm going to send though some info about the WikiWomen's usergroup. :) Chocmilk03 (talk) 07:53, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Chocmilk03: That sounds very constructive. Maybe you could provide a link to what you provide here.--Ipigott (talk) 08:02, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Perhaps Figureskatingfan would also like to add something on the Women in Religion User Group?--Ipigott (talk) 08:16, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

I'm fine with doing a write-up about Women in Religion. We've focused on French women in religion, most notably (for me, anyway), the Martyrs of Compiègne, the group of 16 sisters who were murdered during the Reign of Terror and who are very close to sainthood. It might be fun to feature them, if that's the kind of thing the fanzine is looking for. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 17:03, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Notability of Anita Bobasso

An editor (Alfredomaraw) left a comment on my talkpage regarding a new woman's biography, now at AfD, which might be of interest to folks here: "Anita Bobasso ... It is a biography of a singer of typical Argentine "tango" songs, very famous in the last century and that can be verified in the dozens of links in the bio, despite the fact that at that time there was no press like there is now... without Yet she had it. 25 years after she died, press is still talking about her as you can see in this article from 2020 "E de amargar" where noted that the public asked her to repeat the song several times! https://www.historiadealagoas.com.br/antonio-hugo-da-silva-o-boemio-maestro-antonio-paurilio.html Please help ..." --Rosiestep (talk) 14:16, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

thank you Rosiestep, please help me to avoid deletion of that famous tango singer and protect this biography. I will truly appreciate it. thank you! Alfredomaraw (talk) 17:55, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Terri Libenson

I submitted this draft but it was rejected. I would be happy to have help with it. FloridaArmy (talk) 02:25, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Done Victuallers (talk) 17:22, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

Siobhan Leachman: Wikimedia Laureate 2023

I've just discovered that Siobhan Leachman from New Zealand, this year's Wikimedia Laureate, is in fact Ambrosia10, an active contributor to Women in Red. Quite an achievement!--Ipigott (talk) 06:27, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[

Thanks @Ipigott! It was lovely catching up with Rosiestep and all the other amazing folk who contributed to the wonderful Wiki Women Summit at Wikimania 2023. I was overwhelmed but extremely proud to receive this years Wikimedia Laureate. Ambrosia10 (talk) 06:36, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

So well deserved, Siobhan! Congratulations! Glad I could be there in Singapore to watch you receive your award, and support you, and I'm looking forward to seeing what you do next! --Rosiestep (talk) 07:42, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Wow - very well deserved Siobhan. We've spent a lot of time together on Twitter (R.I.P) and always pleased to see your posts and reports of your many many contributions. Excellent. Victuallers (talk) 14:14, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

Congrats and thanks for your contributions to the movement! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:31, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

Rita Payés (new article)

I've promoted Rita Payés. Please take a minute to review. Also, I believe that her mother, Elisabeth Roma (d:Q113500408), is a good WIR candidate. Cheers, Cl3phact0 (talk) 07:35, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

• I've created the surname page at Payés - there are a couple of others - and some incoming redirects. PamD 09:56, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

  ...And created the new category Category:Catalonia College of Music alumni too! PamD 10:16, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Edits to Baroness Shields page

My name is Laura and I work for Joanna Shields, Baroness Shields. The page was recently tagged for COI and advert issues. I posted here regarding my desire to address the substance of the tags with a re-write or heavy trims, to remove the promotional content. Since the page is about a high profile female politician and businessperson, I thought an editor or two from this WikiProject might be willing to join in here. Thanks in advance for your time. Best regards. LauTad89 (talk) 11:04, 11 September 2023 (UTC) Links edited for clarity by Dsp13 (talk) 13:49, 12 September 2023 (UTC).

Joyce Sullivan (mezzo-soprano)

Hi all. I knocked off a quick stub on this singer because I noticed a page linking to the wrong person. The German language wiki page on this singer states she died on May 14, 2017 but does not cite where it got that information. I am having trouble locating a source to verify that and have left the English wiki page as a BLP. If anyone is willing to help locate a source like an obit I would appreciate it. Thanks.4meter4 (talk) 12:06, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

The date of death probably comes from the IMDB, but that isn't a reliable source. TSventon (talk) 12:30, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

Her Deutsche Nationalbibliothek ID says 1929-2017, also sourced to IMDB. TSventon (talk) 14:43, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Year of death?

Amy Louisa Rye

I couldn't find a year of death for Amy Louisa Rye (b. 1851), an English social reformer and writer who emigrated to Canada. Perhaps someone else has access to a source that contains that info? --Rosiestep (talk) 15:45, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

Rosiestep, have you tried Ancestry.com, via the Wikipedia Library? This was my first attempt, there is a bug where the screen freezes as you select Ancestry.com and you have to refresh it. They have a record for Amy Louisa Haslam, born 1851, Brompton, Middlesex and died 24 Aug 1918, Kent as Amy Louisa Okey. TSventon (talk) 18:51, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, TSventon, that was very helpful. --Rosiestep (talk) 04:50, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

She was apparently buried two days before her death, which shows how primary sources should be used with caution. TSventon (talk) 08:35, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

TSventon, I did some digging and found that Amy did remarry and her second husband (per per Familysearch.org) was Thomas Okay. With the year of death that you shared (1918), Newspapers.com turned up two obits for Amy with the 24 Aug 1918 date, but place of death being Thornbrook, Ewhurst, Surrey (not Kent). I incorporated the info from the newspaper articles in the subject's biography and used those references (rather than Ancestry.com). Didn't find anything about interment but I don't think that needs further research. Thanks again for your help! --Rosiestep (talk) 21:07, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Rosiestep, the interment was just evidence that primary records can have errors. Can you add clippings from Newspapers.com? I admit I haven't done that myself. TSventon (talk) 21:35, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

TSventon, Good reminder. I commonly clip the obits I use but forgot to do so this time; now done. --Rosiestep (talk) 23:07, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Elizabeth J. Smith

Would appreciate any hints on when Elizabeth J. Smith (b. 1842) died. She was a Canadian-born American social reformer and newspaper editor/publisher involved in the temperance movement. --Rosiestep (talk) 23:11, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Her gravestone says she died on 6 July 1900; maybe the 1905 "Mrs. Ransom L. Smith" in Connecticut is someone else? (So many Smiths....) Penny Richards (talk) 23:48, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, Penny. --Rosiestep (talk) 04:27, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Deborah (Debby) McClatchy (Folk Singer / Musician)

I am seeking assistance to help me create an article about Deborah (Debby) McClatchy. She is an accomplished folksinger and musician that has performed in hundreds of music festivals in the United States and in at least four or five, if not more, countries. She is now officially retired but still active in local events and in community activities. I am a good friend of hers and wish to see that she receives the attention she deserves with an article in/on Wikipedia. I have access to a great deal of information but I do not have the requisite background nor the time to master the seemingly complex editing processes to do so. Is there anyone that can step up to the plate and help facilitate this? Ynnurb (talk) 16:01, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello. As a starting point, I've created a Wikidata entry with her Authority control IDs and birth information from an archived copy of her website. If you can provide reliable sources (either online or in print) for her biographical information, particularly in regard to the notability criteria, that would be the greatest help to someone creating an article. Also, if you have a photo which you own the rights to, you could upload it to Commons. Nick Number (talk) 16:39, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

I have no understanding of an "Authority Control Number". That said I can provide a number of links and more text documents to support her background. For one thing, Debby was not born in San Francisco in 1945. She was actually born in Berkeley, California a "San Francisco Bay Area" city. I have a crude photocopy of her official birth certificate.

Debby has written a personal summary of her life but it lacks sufficient references to many of the events described.Can you explain how I should communicate or upload the hyperlinks and text documents? Ynnurb (talk) 17:45, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Ok. I wouldn't upload her birth certificate due to privacy concerns. Under WP:ABOUTSELF, if she has stated her correct birth year and place in an interview or on an official website or social media account, that should be a sufficient source.

It might be simplest to make a subpage in your userspace (e.g. User:Ynnurb/Debby_McClatchy) with the information and links you have. Note that this will be visible to the world, so don't post anything sensitive. Nick Number (talk) 18:35, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Kelly McKernan, named one of the 100 most influential people in AI by Time

I just created an article for American artist Kelly McKernan who was recently named by Time magazine as one of the 100 most influential figures in AI. Thriley (talk) 20:40, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Tinatin Berdzenishvili

A wiki friend has reached out to me requesting assistance with this (draft) article about the ED of the Georgian (country) national broadcaster. As I don't have expertise with BLPs, hoping others can assist. --Rosiestep (talk) 01:33, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Gail_Renard

I wonder if anyone can assist in proving the notability of Gail Renard? She's been a TV writer since the 1970s, won a BAFTA, has interesting connections & is a dedicated advocate for writing at UK national level. I got some great (slightly older) references from Megalibrarygirl, but still it doesn't seem to be enough, OR I am making some awful rookie error... HGoody (talk) 10:15, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi there, HGoody. I think you might find it useful to look at the guidance in some of our essays, perhaps starting with the summary in our Ten Simple Rules. It is important to find at least three reliable independent sources containing coverage in support of the information you include in the biography. From the point of view of reviewers, it is preferable to start with a fairly short article based on these sources rather than introducing other information based on sources where the name of the subject is just mentioned along with others or on primary sources directly associated with the subject. If you think you can improve your article along these lines, you can let me know when you think it is ready for inclusion and I'll try to help you along. Happy editing!--Ipigott (talk) 16:12, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

HGoody: Good to see you're now a member of Women in Red. Looking forward to helping you along.--Ipigott (talk) 06:28, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your help and encouragement. I will re-jig the article to be shorter as you suggest. I wonder if you could tell me if any of these sources are likely to be successful in supporting Gail Renard's notability, if I used them in a shorter piece?

https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-montreal-star/130858156/

https://www.rte.ie/entertainment/2001/1203/395434-bafta/

https://writersguild.org.uk/wggb-sends-solidarity-from-brussels/ HGoody (talk) 06:57, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

HGoody: I'm happy to see you are progressing along the lines I recommended. It's not too easy to come to grips the Wikipedia requirements for biographies of living people and the first article is always the most difficult to bring up to standard. Although it's from 1977, the first item provides some basic background. The second is useful in connection with the BAFTA award. And the third, as it's so recent, provides information on her current activities. The Lennon incident is covered quite well in this Guardian article and gives her age at the time. Drawing on these four, you could put together quite an informative article which is likely to meet basic notability requirements. Please let me know when you think it is ready. (P.S. You might like to include the WiR template {{User WikiProject Women in Red}} on your user page which would not only show others your interest in the project but would prevent your user name being displayed in red in discussions like this.) --Ipigott (talk) 06:30, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! I have chopped out a lot of detail and focused on the lobbying aspect, and also left in the Lennon & BAFTA stuff. If you get a chance to take a look I would really like to know what you think HGoody (talk) 15:29, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

HGoody: Great! I'll look at it tomorrow.--Ipigott (talk) 18:05, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

HGoody: Now in mainspace. I've provided wikilinks from 14 articles in which she is mentioned (see What links her in LH margin). Maybe on this basis you can include some of her most successful works, TV series, etc. I see that there are references to her date of birth in December 1951 but I am still confused about her nationality, Canadian, British or both. Sorry you had such a difficult time with this but now you know the basic criteria for notability, you should be able to create further biographies more easily.--Ipigott (talk) 06:22, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your help with this, it's been such a useful learning experience.

I still feel as though I am blundering about on here, but this is very encouraging! HGoody (talk) 06:40, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Nancy Nash (actress)

I would be happy to have help with this draft, newspaper coverage particularly. Thanks. FloridaArmy (talk) 13:26, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Seems promising from a quick news archive search. I should be able to help out. Silverseren^C 01:33, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Sarah Bird Northrup Ridge and Sarah Bird Northrup Ridge House

This is a fascinating subject if anyone is interested in American history. See this Encyclopedia of Arkansas writeup. Came across her working on Draft:Arkansas Female Academy whose matriarch missionary and educator educator Sophia Sawyer (1792–1854) is also fascinating. Unrelated but also interesting is Huntsville Female Academy in Huntsville, Alabama. FloridaArmy (talk) 01:20, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Every British woman, eight years, what next?

So I'm doing a woman article a day, I'm up to ~260 this year, and I told you (see above) I think I have done every woman in the ODNB from when we started this project, so who to do next? I've started on Australian women in the ADB from when WIR started. The list I'm using is this one... see you in another 8 years? Victuallers (talk) 15:17, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Victuallers: Looks like a good list to work on. I see that almost half of them are already blue links. It will be interesting to see how long it takes to cover them all.--Ipigott (talk) 17:48, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

@Victuallers: Thank you for joining me in writing about Aussie women! Please, however, consider using the WIR Wikidata Redlist for the ADB. I keep an eye on new Aussie articles almost daily and try to ensure that common names (as required by Wikipedia) match the full names used in the ADB, so this list should be accurate. Also, as you would know, the Wikidata items often include links to other informative databases that help with article creation. Oronsay (talk) 20:19, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

I have thought about that, but the advantage to me of using an old search query is that its not a moving target as the ADB will continue to add new names. I feel sure that my additions will hit both lists as the lisst I am using should be a subset of the ADB list. It looks to me asif either list is now doable. I did two more today. Victuallers (talk) 22:33, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Interesting research report

I've just come across "Wiki-based Communities of Interest: Demographics and Outliers", a research report which documents poor recognition of STEM awards won by women as a result of insufficient information in Wikidata and Wikipedia. More details on our Research page.--Ipigott (talk) 06:57, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Sonya Friedman, host of CNN show in the 80s/90s

I recently created a draft for Sonya Friedman. She was the host of a program on CNN in its early days. She may be most well known for an interview she had with an obviously drunk/high James Brown that was a popular video in the early days of YouTube. Thriley (talk) 23:32, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Digitized women’s magazines

Hey all, I’ve just seen this rather extraordinary directory to centuries’ worth of digitized women’s magazines from a variety of countries! Wanted to flag it for all who might find it useful, and also ask whether anyone has an idea for the best place to save it? I just added it to external links on Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Resources—do we suppose that’s the best place for it? Innisfree987 (talk) 00:31, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Great find, Innisfree987. It will no doubt prove particularly useful for those of us interested in women involved in fashion. I found the international lists particularly interesting. I see some of the foreign magazines have articles in their own languages but it looks as if many of them also deserve articles in English (see Category:Fashion magazines and subcats). I'm not too sure how easy it is carry out searches on them. I'll start experimenting with the Danish Chik and perhaps a few of the German-language ones. The directory should prove particularly useful the next time we focus on fashion. The last time we did so was in October 2019. Looks like we could cover the topic again soon. Maybe sometime we could also focus on women's magazines.--Ipigott (talk) 06:47, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Tatiana Wedenison (new stub)

I've published a brief article about Tatiana Wedenison. Please review and expand where possible. Cheers, Cl3phact0 (talk) 10:07, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Soo Bae

Just discovered this unreferenced BLP on a cellist. If anyone is looking for a project it would be useful to source this to something other than the subject's website.4meter4 (talk) 13:58, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Submitted article for Diane Muldrow

I created and submitted an article for children's author Draft:Diane Muldrow. I couldn't find information on her early life before college and other than her instagram, there's not a lot of information about her personal life. This is actually my first page I've ever submitted so pretty exciting. Many of the sources are her own website or from her publisher, but I tried to keep any info I took from there pretty basic. Daxsymbiote (talk) 20:28, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

There are probably sufficient reviews of Everything I Need to Know I Learned from a Little Golden Book on that article, to evidence WP:NAUTHOR 3 ("such work must have been the primary subject of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews,") on Draft:Diane Muldrow. iirc, there is a template, or if not there is a style, for listing a plurality of reviews for a book, on an author page ... sadly I don't know what the style / template is. --Tagishsimon (talk) 22:25, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Daxsymbiote: To establish notability, you need to draw on at least three informative independent sources, for example from recognized newspapers, journals or in connection with awards, etc. As explained above, critical reviews of her works could also be included. Unfortunately most of the sources you have used up to now are closely related to Muldrow herself. You can find further guidance in our essays. If you think you can develop the biography along these lines, let me know when you think it's ready and I'll try to help you along. Happy editing!--Ipigott (talk) 14:14, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Here's something for a start. There's also quite a bit of background here. I think these could be useful.--Ipigott (talk) 14:40, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

@Daxsymbiote: Now promoted as Diane Muldrow. Good work; thank you. --Tagishsimon (talk) 23:13, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Woman in Sacred Song: A Library of Hymns, Religious Poems and Sacred Music by Woman

I was Google searching the name of a severely minor (as it turned out) nineteenth-century poet a little while ago (Annie Lenthal Smith, if anyone fancies trying to develop an article about her - I just created a category on Commons), and turned up this book on Google Books. Looks like it might be of interest to someone with a bent towards nineteenth-century women poets; I don't know offhand how many of the listed women are notable, or how many have articles. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 22:10, 21 September 2023 (UTC)