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May 3

new video

how do i download a video onto youtube from my digital camera? 98.16.219.198 (talk) 01:07, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

1. Connect the camera to your computer.
2. Download your movie to your hard drive.
3. Go to Youtube. Click Upload, the yellow button in the upper-right corner.
4. Sign in or sign up. Follow the directions.

Please take any requests for further help or other computing questions to the Computing reference desk. Your question is out of the scope of this page, which is questions about Wikipedia. Xenon54 (talk) 02:10, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

• What you describe is actually uploading 98.16.219 - Mgm|^(talk) 13:20, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

diff shows changes that I didn't make

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After editing an article, the diff link is showing changes that I didn't make. (see example) The changes seem to be related to some sort of embedded unicode or something. Personally, I can't see that anything is changed in the highlighted text, but obviously the database thinks something has changed. Any ideas on what is causing this and how I can correct it? Thanx! 68.88.198.81 (talk) 01:42, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

You're on the right track. You (unknowingly) changed several non-ASCII characters on that page. Your computer needs support for UTF-8 (the character encoding used by Wikipedia). What operating system are you on and what web browser are you using? Goodraise 02:37, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, Goodraise! I've fixed the encodings on my machine. Now, how do I get the article that I just trashed fixed? Is this something I can do, or do I need to get someone to do a revert for me? 68.88.198.81 (talk) 03:39, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Fixed the article for you. :) Goodraise 03:45, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.88.198.81 (talk) 03:50, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

loading cartridge for an ERM VRL-36 typesetter

How do you adjust a loading cartridge for an ERM VRL-36 typesetter to accept a smaller size film (13.3x200 instead of 14"x200')? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Torcuato (talk • contribs) 01:56, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. Goodraise 02:28, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

mechanical

how to change the gears in lathe for threading operations and what is the formula for calculating it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Raamla08 (talk • contribs) 05:13, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. However, please be aware that they will not do your homework for you. Goodraise 05:35, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Question about measurement unit names and abbreviations.

I have a quick question that isn't really answered in the Manual of Style. The MoS says that

In the main text, give the main units as words and use unit symbols or abbreviations for conversions in parentheses; e.g., write a pipe 100 millimetres (4 in) in diameter and 16 kilometres (10 mi) long or a pipe 4 inches (100 mm) in diameter and 10 miles (16 km) long. However, where there is consensus to do so, the main units may also be abbreviated in the main text after the first occurrence.

However, the MoS also states that

Where space is limited, such as in tables, infoboxes, mathematical formulas, and parenthetical notes, unit symbols are preferable. In prose it is usually better to spell out unit names but symbols can also be used when a unit is used many times in an article. However, spell out the first instance of each unit in an article. One should write “…the typical batch is 250 kilograms…” before one later writes “…and then 15 kg of emulsifier is added.”

So is it generally preferred to spell out unit names once and then use the symbol throughout the article or to spell out the unit name each time? Maybe if I give an example. I've been editing animal articles that have measurement mistakes and some of them do something like this:

Cats typically weigh between 2.5 and 7 kilograms (5.5–16 lb); however, some breeds, such as the Maine Coon, can exceed 11.3 kilograms (24.9 lb). Conversely, very small cats (less than 1.8 kilograms (4.0 lb)) have been reported.

I edited this part of the Cat article, but I'm not sure if I did it correctly. For example, should all instances of "kilograms" be shortened to "kg" after the initial "kilograms" or should I leave them spelled out? Thanks for the help.Totakeke423 (talk) 08:37, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

When something isn't specified in the MoS, you can assume that it's acceptable either way. If kilogram/kg occures a hundred times in the article, it makes sense to abbreviate. If it occures only twice, it doesn't. In between these extreme cases, you'll have to decide yourself, just keep it consistent throughout the article. Goodraise 09:02, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

We also have a very cool template, {{convert}} that can bluelink the first "kg" so the reader can find out what it is if they're not sure. That lets you use kg throughout (which as above, is optional, though I'd say it's preferred). Pplus it handles all the metric/imperial conversion stuff. Franamax (talk) 09:16, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Very slow browsing

Hi there. I just upgraded my Mozilla browser to v.3.0.5. After this upgrade i noticed that viewing wikipedia pages is very slow. For instance, when a page is fully loaded, and i try to scroll the page down, there is quite a long lag before the page scrolls down and loads nicely. I do not experience this problem with other websites. Any idea what is wrong? ќמшמφטтгמ^torque 09:05, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

That happens to me sometimes. Some Wikipedia pages are very, very long/large. If you see a talk page that is really bad, feel free to do some archiving. If an article is really long, feel free to remove unsourced statements or use summary style. hmwithτ 14:36, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

But don't do either without discussing on the talk page. – ukexpat (talk) 15:11, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Actually, it does not only happen to long pages. This lag also happen in short pages. Other longer pages in other websites load much faster. And they scroll at realtime. But wikipedia pages dont scroll at realtime now. I dont understand why it is like this now. ќמшמφטтгמ^torque 12:01, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

I don't have that problem. Odd. Try clearing your Internet history. hmwithτ 14:30, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Haha, or donate! hmwithτ 14:31, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Page vandalized

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 – — Jake Wartenberg 14:19, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

I think this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_disaster is vandalized. It begins saying "it is a form of tuberculosis where you die in a car and madeline kills you in the middle of the day ". Hope someone fixes this soon —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.255.2.42 (talk) 12:14, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Taken care of. Thanks, — Jake Wartenberg 14:19, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Leave Out All the Rest

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 – — Jake Wartenberg 14:15, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

An editor entered the lyrics of the song into the article here. IIRC, this is advised against, but I'd like someone to check up on this just to make sure. --Dylan620 _{Efforts · Toolbox} 13:56, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

I removed them as a copyright violation. More information on the topic is available at WP:LYRICS. Thanks, — Jake Wartenberg 14:15, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Is hotlinking to images on Wikipedia allowed?

Say you wanted to use an image from Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons on an internet forum post, hotlinking directly to WP, is this allowed?--Yo Dawg! What's Going On Today? (talk) 14:29, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Most images on WP are free images/public domain. Check the copyright status of the specific image. There may be certain stipulations that need to be followed, such as providing the name of the author. If it's a copyrighted image (that we're using here under a fair use claim, such as a logo or album cover), that doesn't concern Wikipedia, and you would have to contact the copyright holder. What's the link to the image you'd like to use? hmwithτ 14:52, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Commons says not to hotlink. --Onorem♠Dil 15:07, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm not talking about the copyright status of images (yes, most images on Commons are freely reusable). I'm talking about whether hotlinking is allowed, or even possible.--Yo Dawg! What's Going On Today? (talk) 15:33, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

The answer is no, see the Commons link above. – ukexpat (talk) 15:40, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Just download the image and host it elsewhere, unless the link is used casually in an email, rather than on a website. --DThomsen8 (talk) 15:45, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Some images on Commons are already on other hosts, such as Flickr, from which you can evidently hotlink. Check the image's page on Commons to see where else it might be. --Teratornis (talk) 00:25, 4 May 2009 (UTC)\

Hotlinking might get your server denied access right quick (the admins can track you down by the "Referrer" field in the HTTP request). If you do download the image for your own use, please be sure to preserve the license terms, CC-BY, GFDL or whatever they may be, and the author attribution. This is important so that others can reuse the image and understand that it's not your own. Franamax (talk) 00:40, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Formation of trans fat.

At what temperature does the hydrogenation of an unsaturated fat occur? I've wondering if I am inadvertently creating trans fat while baking things in my oven or frying food on a stove top. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.237.232.202 (talk) 17:19, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

I think you're looking for the reference desk. This page is for questions on how to use Wikipedia. You can check out our articles on hydrogenation, unsaturated fat, trans fat, and deep frying if you haven't already. hmwithτ 17:59, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Redirected instead of moved

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 – ukexpat (talk) 19:20, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Despite no official announcement until next Friday[1], someone has redirected Dolphin Stadium to its (likely) future name Land Shark Stadium, instead of moving it. This has, of course, caused the history and discussion to remain on the Dolphin page, and not move to the future Land Shark page. I would undo it all, but I'm not sure how to get both pages back to normal. The Land Shark page should redirect, for now, but we don't even know if it will be one word or two. Any help getting this History/move issue solved would be appreciated. Thanks. --Mtjaws (talk) 17:20, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

I believe I have fixed it, though there are some consistency issues left in the lead. Xenon54 (talk) 17:31, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. I cleaned it up some to make it sound better. --Mtjaws (talk) 18:06, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Merging question

This may not be the right place... but... before I turn Margitta Gummel into a redirect to Margitta Gummel-Helmboldt (or vice-versa), I wanted to ask: should I merge Margitta Gummel into Margitta Gummel-Helmboldt, or vice-versa? Thanks for your help, mynameinc 17:55, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Information-wise, merge the information from the first into the second, as the first has no sources whatsoever. There's not really much info there at all. As for the name, I don't know enough about the athlete to know the most common name. All of the sources just use Margitta Gummel as the name, so I'd make sure the article has that title. hmwithτ 18:02, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

I think Margitta Gummel-Helmboldt, but I wasn't alive and in East Germany when she won, so I can't be certain about the most common name. mynameinc 18:07, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Actually, three sources use Gummel, and three use Gummel-Helmboldt. mynameinc 18:08, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

I was just looking at the references, not the other section. Oops. hmwithτ 18:12, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

I used those listed under "Sources". mynameinc 18:14, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Finding the page I first saw when I registered

When I decided to become an actaul 'user' and have a page and all that, I saw a page that said something like "Welcome to Wikipedia, here's some introductory information" and it had a few basic things to click on. Unfortunately at the time I didn't have a spare few minutes so I just skipped it or closed it thinking I would go back to it later. But now I can't find it. I've looked at a couple of 'introduction' pages but they aren't it. Any ideas?Popcorn II (talk) 18:32, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

I left you the {{welcome}} template on your talk page. Was that it? Garion96 (talk) 18:37, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks but no. It said something like 'congratulations you are now a registered user' and it had a row of wikipedia icons at the bottom of the screen, like the commons icon, etc.Popcorn II (talk) 21:11, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

You might be thinking of this page. It only appears once when you first register but that link will give you the text it contains. Tra (Talk) 23:16, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

In-line citations

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 – ukexpat (talk) 19:19, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

What are they? In someone's words. -- A ^talk/_contribs 18:39, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

"An inline citation ... is a citation placed at the end of a sentence or paragraph for the purpose of cataloging from where the said information came." (from inline citation) Goodraise 18:41, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Well... don't I feel like an idiot. It's what I've been doing the whole time. Thanks a million, though. -- A ^talk/_contribs 18:45, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

I wonder - could an actual idiot post a question to the Help desk? Before the word "idiot" rolled off the euphemism treadmill, it referred to someone with profound mental retardation. It seems unlikely that such a person could figure out how to type a coherent question on the Help desk. --Teratornis (talk) 00:14, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Whereas I've often found myself using the term - directed toward myself! :) This particular idiot has managed to navigate the keyboard once or twice... ;) Franamax (talk) 00:32, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Well since everybody seems to be joining IA, i may as well put my high iq (idiot quotient) in the mix.  ^{.`</sup>^) Paine<sup>diss`cuss} (^^`.  00:52, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

New User Log

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I have been to the new user log many times, but now I can't remember how to get there. How can I get to it? Iowateen (talk) 18:54, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Never mind. I found the answer above. Iowateen (talk) 18:56, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

For future reference, you can search the Help desk archive pages with either the {{Google help desk}} or {{Search subpages link}} templates (the former uses Google search, and the latter uses Wikipedia's internal "prefix" search feature which recently became available):

• Search Help desk for: "new user log"
• Search the subpage tree below Wikipedia:Help desk for: new user log

Both search methods appear to find what you are looking for, within the first few search results. Interestingly, the Google search returns its results almost immediately, whereas the Wikipedia search takes 21 seconds. However, waiting the extra 21 seconds for Wikipedia gives the results with section links, sometimes anyway. With Google, you have to follow the search results links to the tops of results pages, and then press Ctrl+F to find the search text in your browser. You can put the {{Help desk searches}} template on your user page for easy access to some handy search links. --Teratornis (talk) 19:09, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Transcluding from Commons

Is it possible to transclude a template from Commons into en:wiki? ~ ωαdεstεr16_«talk^stalk» 19:07, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

No. Whiach one are you interested in? IF we don't have something like it already, then we should be able to copy it over in the transwiki process. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 19:18, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

(edit conflict) The feature you're looking for is called "scary transclusion" and it has come up here before once that I can find:

• Search the subpage tree below Wikipedia:Help desk for: scary transclusion - search with Wikipedia
• Search Help desk for: scary transclusion - search with Google

The mention was in Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2007 March 6#Nesting. See mw:Manual:$wgEnableScaryTranscluding for the MediaWiki setting. I believe the Wikimedia Foundation does not enable this feature on any of its wikis, so the answer to your question is (almost certainly) no. To use a template from Commons on the English Wikipedia, you will have to copy the template here, along with any templates your target template transcludes. There can be other complications if the template uses features on Commons that aren't the same as on Wikipedia, such as style classes. Sometimes, Commons and Wikipedia each already have non-identical templates that have the same name (such as {{Location}} here and Commons:Template:Location there). --Teratornis (talk) 19:20, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Actually I wanted to transclude contents of this category onto my user page. It's not a template I was after actually, but the contents of a cat. Thanks for the responses. ~ ωαdεstεr16_«talk^stalk» 19:29, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

If you make a gallery page, you can copy and paste the same code and it will work between Wikipedia and Commons. See for example Commons:User:Teratornis/Gallery - I could copy the wikitext of that page to a Wikipedia user subpage, and it would mostly work. But it's easier just to link to the page on Commons rather than try to display it here. I don't know of a trick way to mirror content from Commons to Wikipedia like that. I agree that it is a bit awkward to have no access from Wikipedia to categories on Commons; when viewing an image from Wikipedia that is actually on Commons, one cannot see the Commons categories for the image unless one clicks on the link to view the image page on Commons. It's hard to picture how the Wikimedia Foundation could work around this, given that there are hundreds of different language Wikipedias. --Teratornis (talk) 23:57, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Add a logo

How can I add a logo/immage/photo to an article I am editing? Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Earth1147 (talk • contribs) 22:05, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

What article, and what logo? (Nghia-Sinh International?) See Help:Images and other uploaded files. The exact procedure would depend on whether the image is already available on Wikipedia or Commons, or whether you would need to upload it. If the latter, then you have to determine whether you can upload the image under a suitable license. If the logo is trademarked, see Commons:COM:EIC#Trademark. The site for Nghia-Sinh International says "Copyright © 1997 - 2011 Nghia-Sinh Int'l, Inc. All rights reserved." That works against you. If you can obtain permission from them to release a copy of their logo under a free license, see Commons:COM:OTRS for the procedure to document that permission. --Teratornis (talk) 00:05, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

There is a perfectly acceptable non-free use rationale for use of copyright and/or registered trademark logos on Wikipedia, see WP:LOGO. – ukexpat (talk) 00:12, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Posting deleted, why?

I tried posting for a Silicon-Valley tech company since it's notable in technique, but it got deleted. I had resources and references that added to the validity of this company, but as of a few hours ago, someone has deleted it, saying that it didn't have enough "basis" or "notability". I don't know what this means exactly and how to put the company out there that might be "agreeable" to Wikipedia. It took me hours just to figure out HOW to post, including figuring out Wikipedia's own special way of "coding". Ideas? Suggestions?

Kanya Jade Yoshihiro 22:13, 3 May 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by MsKJade (talk • contribs)

The editor who deleted it left an explanation on its talk page: that it fails Wikipedia's notability guidelines (and that editor included a link to the page that discusses the criteria). As a new editor, it is well worth your reading that page before creating a new article. If you have evidence of notability, from reliable sources, you can discuss the matter on the talk page. --ColinFine (talk) 22:34, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

You might also like to have a look at Wikipedia:Why was my page deleted? --ColinFine (talk) 22:49, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Note that the article has been userfied at User:MsKJade/Grouptivity. – ukexpat (talk) 00:09, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

See WP:USERFY for a definition of our cant. --Teratornis (talk) 00:16, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

May 4

Deleted threads / articles etc

Morning all,

Just ran a search for Demonik (a cancelled video game for Xbox) and, after seeing there wasn't a page for it and trying to create it, found two previous versions have been deleted. Is there like an archive store for the information held in wikipedia or do I have to go the slow way and use google to search all posts made anywhere that have reference to Demonik?

I Am The Oracle (talk) 00:50, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

It's available here. Goodraise 01:16, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

As an administrator, I have access to deleted files. In this case, there were two versions of the article. The first was in fact the game you were refering to, but it was so short that basically your explanation of the game above was as long as the article was. The second was an unrelated topic about some non-notable band, and which had nothing at all to do with your video game. Also, before you create the new article, please read Your First Article which will explain how to avoid pitfalls that people run into when creating new articles. Most importantly, you will want to clearly indicate, with as many references as you can, why the subject is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia as outlined by the criteria at WP:N. Wikipedia can only document that which has already been documented before, see Wikipedia:Verifiability. If a subject has so little existing information about it that a Wikipedia article would have nothing substantial or reliable to reference, then it probably does not merit an article in the first place. If you would like some time to craft the article outside of the main encyclopedia, you can do so by creating a subpage of your userpage. At this subpage, you can work on a draft version of the article, and take a few days to put it together without fear of it getting deleted out from underneath you. Instructions for doing so are described at WP:USERPAGE and WP:SUBPAGE. If you need help doing this, ask for help, and I or someone else can walk you through it. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 01:43, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Editor for my wikimedia

hi

I am using 1.14.0 in my server (http://doc.erpvn.com), but I cannot see editor as same as this editor (there are some of button as Subscript, Superscript, Table,...)

Could you help me how to get this editor?

Thanks in advance —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ati.solution (talk • contribs) 00:56, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

I think you need the MediaWiki Support Desk. – ukexpat (talk) 01:50, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Six Flags

Six Flags over Texas" include the United States, France, Spain, Mexico, Texas and which other flag? -- Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.11.217.200 (talk) 03:12, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

You might find what you are looking for in the article about Six flags over Texas. If you cannot find the answer there, you can try asking your question at Wikipedia's Reference Desk. They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except about how to use Wikipedia, which is what this help desk is for). I hope this helps. Goodraise 03:15, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Confederate 68.88.198.81 (talk) 03:35, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism Report

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 – Goodraise 03:54, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Somebody with rollback authority might want to have a look at [this page]. The article has been vandalized a couple of times, some of which were corrected. Its a bit of a mess and I'm not sure how to fix it, other than just rolling back all of the changes from the last couple of days. Thanx! 68.88.198.81 (talk) 03:34, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

As the primary contributor to List of Jericho episodes, I have no idea why that wasn't already on my watchlist. I found the last good reversion, and reverted back to that one. Thanks, NW (Talk) ^{(How am I doing?)} 03:43, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of stubs

I have twice tried to create a stub page about New Zealand's new nationwide cellphone network NZ Communications. Both times the page was speedy deleted, by different administrators. The reasons given were:

• A3: Article has no meaningful, substantive content
• A7: Article about a company, corporation, organization, or group, which does not indicate the importance or significance of the subject

I asked the second administrator why they deleted the article and they asked me for more sources.

Speedy deletion is a mechanism for pruning out junk pages and copyright violations. It doesn't make sense to me that articles should be speedily deleted merely because they are incomplete. Wikipedia is a multi-contributor environment after all.

In the article I wrote a few paragraphs of meaningful content about the technology of the NZ Communications network and its significance in New Zealand.

I am concerned that pages are being deleted using speedy deletion before anyone has a chance to develop them beyond stub stage.

If administrators think articles are not notable then wouldn't the normal (slow) deletion process be more appropriate. Authors need a chance to argue for the notability of the article.

If administrators want more references then there are appropriate templates for asking for that kind of information on the page.

Using speedy deletion on stubs is very discouraging to new editors like myself and doesn't teach us what you want the article to look like.

How do I go about asking Wikipedia to change its policy so that speedy deletion doesn't get used on recently-created stub pages?

DarrylJH (talk) 03:43, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

The direct answer to your question is: If you want to ask "Wikipedia to change its policy so that speedy deletion doesn't get used on recently-created stub pages", start a discussion at WT:CSD. However, it seems to me that you are misunderstanding the grounds upon which the article was deleted. You do not have to prove that the company is notable to keep it from being speedy deleted, you only have to explain why it is notable. Also note that "notable" has a special meaning on Wikipedia, which is explained in general here and for companies in particular here. I hope this helped. Goodraise 03:53, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

To survive a speedy deletion nomination in the A7 category, an article only has to "indicate importance or significance", and that is an even lesser standard than "notability". – ukexpat (talk) 04:25, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes. I point to the special meaning of the word on Wikipedia and use it in its dictionary meaning in the preceding sentence... how embarrasing. I think part of the misunderstanding here is the wording of the most recent deletion: "A3: Article that has no meaningful, substantive content: Company which has not yet launched. Perhaps it will be notable once it does." Which leads to believe that the article was deleted for non-notability, while that is never a reason for speedy deletion. Goodraise 04:52, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

If an invalid reason for deleting an article was used, the proper forum to get the deletion overturned is Deletion Review, found at WP:DRV. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 05:06, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

(after three edit conflicts) As both a stub-sorter and an occasional new pages patroller, I'd chip in that there are definitely a large number of cases where a {{prod}} notice is a better idea that simply speedying the article. In the case of this particular article, however, I'd add that it would be rare for a company that has not yet been launched to ever be considered as significant enough for an article. Once the company is up and running, it's quite likely that there will be enough information about it available to indicate its importance and/or notability, but - other than in exceptional circumstances - that's very unlikely for a company that's not yet either been advertised or launched. In those cases, any Wikipedia article for the company is likely to be far too much like an advertisement for an upcoming release than an objective article, and is not likely to show any indication of the company's significance. In itself, though, this might well be a fairly questionable reason for speedying (AFDing or Prodding, yes - speedying though...?) Grutness...wha? 05:18, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

For what it's worth, the NZ Communications network is up and running. It has a roaming deal with Vodafone. So it's been launched for global customers, just not for New Zealand customers. I know Darryl and he tells me he said something to that effect in the article. My question is: how does the community have a discussion of whether a topic is notable (or important/significant) if the article gets speedy deleted by fiat as soon as it's created? Ben Arnold (talk) 09:39, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

It doesn't. A more formal debate on the merits of Notability, verifiability and other inclusion criteria may occur at an articles for deletion nomination, but only if the article is created in a form that doesn't meet the speedy criteria. To condense what they are—those that would be applicable here—the article must:

• Be created with enough content that it isn't subject to CSD A1 or CSD A3 (consider working it up in a subpage, or creating it with an {{under construction}} tag);
• Be created with content that attempts to be neutral point of view so it isn't subject to CSD G11 (avoid peacock wording; state just facts not opinion; write in the third person; be aware of our conflict of interest guideline; read the business faq);
• Be created with content that asserts importance or significance so it isn't subject to CSD A7 (you don't need to show notability, just indicate importance or significance; the best way to do this is by citing to reliable sources which verify the content—it will need this eventually anyway, and the lack thereof will cause it to fail an AfD debate if not met, even if it avoids speedy deletion);
• It doesn't sound to me as if the subject is viable as an article topic yet, but if you create it in a form that avoids the pitfalls above, it probably won't be speedy deleted.
• We have had many debates on Wikipedia about not tagging article for speedy deletion as soon as they are created. The result has been that it is still permitted but looked down upon by many; templates have been created to address the issue (see {{hasty}} and {{CSD5}} [both of which I made]) and see the editing notice at the top of newpages which says "Please consider patrolling pages from the back of the unpatrolled backlog" as well as the language at WP:CSD: "Contributors sometimes create articles over several edits, so try to avoid deleting a page too soon after its creation if it appears incomplete". Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:43, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Text outside main text area

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 – Goodraise 05:34, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Just a quick question, when editing some pages, there is a block of text just above the main text window. For example, this page has a list of five bullets regarding the use of this page. How and where is that entered? Useight (talk) 05:13, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

That is called an editnotice. More on editnotices can be found at Wikipedia:Editnotice. Hope this helped. Goodraise 05:22, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

(edit conflict)It's an edit notice. For this page, the edit notice is located at MediaWiki:Editnotice-4-Help desk. Someguy1221 (talk) 05:25, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks guys. Useight (talk) 05:31, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

plastic bag with (PET , MPEC , LLDPE) delaminate after WET tissue insert into bag

i am a QC,this concern is occur in my company , when we put the wet tissue into palstic bag , the bottom of the plastic bag will delaminate into 3 layers, we cant find the actual answer y the palstic bag will going to be like this after the wet tissue is putting inside . Before the wet tissue is putting inside the lamination is cant be observe visionary but the dealminatinon will exist after wet tissue putting inside.. y? i would very pleasure if any one can help me to get the answer —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.111.128.125 (talk) 05:13, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

This page is for questions about using Wikipedia. Please consider asking this question at the Science reference desk. They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link and ask away. You could always try searching Wikipedia for an article related to the topic you want to know more about. I hope this helps. Someguy1221 (talk) 05:15, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Type size in edit box

Resolved

 – JohnCD (talk) 10:52, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

What controls the type size in the edit box? It has suddenly become extremely small, without my changing any settings (as far as I know). I have looked all round "my preferences" but can't see anything. I am using the Monobook skin with Firefox, and no gadgets except the toolbar clock. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 09:13, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Hold Ctrl and move the mouse wheel. Alternatively go to (on Forefox at least): Tools -> Options -> Content -> Fonts and Colours box -> Advanced and fix the size of Monospace.  GARDEN  09:18, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm not quite sure how those two techniques interact, but by fiddling with both I've got things back to normal. Thanks. JohnCD (talk) 10:01, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

for starting a new business regarding GEARS

Am Sachin, DME holder, working with gear industry frm last six year, NOw I am interesting to start a new business for auto car gears sales and service, So please I want some information suggestion or instruction from the concern persons. Please do the needfull. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.211.246.53 (talk) 11:21, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Hello. I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 2.8 million articles, and thought that we were directly affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the online free encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is a help desk for asking questions related to using the encyclopedia. Thus, we have no inside track on the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the left hand side of your screen. If that is not fruitful, we have a reference desk, divided into various subjects areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. TNXMan 13:16, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Euro bank note

I would like to know where on the Euro bill can I see from which country the bill is.

Renate Hinsepp —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.69.20.169 (talk) 13:48, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

• You can't - Euro banknotes are the same whichever country they are issued in. Only the coins have a "national side". See Euro#Coins and banknotes. JohnCD (talk) 13:54, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
  • CORRECTION - the design is the same, but you can work out from the serial number where the note was issued. See Euro banknotes#Serial number. JohnCD (talk) 14:36, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

AM/PM

Is there a style guide for how to use times a.m./p.m. or am/pm or AM/PM? I thought it was at WP:MoS but I must be mistaken. Template AMPM doesn't really help cos it doesn't say it's in tune with MoS, for all I know it may be an old, redundant template (in which case needs to be marked as such). I read somewhere, I am sure, to use a space then a dot m dot (except for noon which should be just that and not 12 noon or 12pm etc) which is not my preferred way but will follow it if that's MoS but can't seem to find anywhere that says so.

Just my usual struggle to find this. I was copy-editing Sunday shopping and there's a mix of formats, but there's no point my trying to make them regular until I know what format they should be. Best wishes I bet you will point me to something in an instant and I will have to bash my head against the wall again. WP templates and doc are SO hard to find. (And I tried Google.) SimonTrew (talk) 14:04, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Try this: Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates and numbers) Lars (talk) 14:26, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Have a look at Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)#Time_of_day. You can use either am/pm or a.m./p.m. Tra (Talk) 14:28, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, I knew it would be bleeding obvious, believe me I did look there, I dunno why I tried search on am pm a.m. p.m. etc found nothing, I looked in the section myself found nothing, just must be a blonde moment or something. That does seem to make template:AMPM be nonconformant then, seems slightly odd to have a template that contravenes MoS, I'll leave a note on the talk page there. Thanks again, now I can fix that article. SimonTrew (talk) 17:51, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia is so huge that you will find some inconsistencies between the various parts. Not every user who writes templates has read every manual, and sometimes the manuals change, rendering older things out of compliance with the latest rules. It's far easier for a relatively few people to formulate rules, than to make sure our 47,937,654 registered users are fully aware of the rules. Wikipedia gets edited by users at all experience levels, and no amount of experience guarantees a person will know every single rule. I bet even Jimbo doesn't know all the rules, although hopefully he knows more than most users. Incidentally, your search on AM/PM might have failed because Wikipedia's built-in search might not like very short keywords. --Teratornis (talk) 02:29, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Image Stack-Up

Problem with image stack-up in the Calcite article. Not sure how to resolve. I tried the image tutorial but could not find a good answer.

Here is an example of a similar article where the problem is avoided. Can images not span several sections? Lars (talk) 14:22, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

I think the template {{FixBunching}} can fix this, but I don't have a lot of experience using it. Might be worth poking around on the instruction page. Calliopejen1 (talk) 14:35, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Attempted fix but had to move all images to the same section in order to use FixBunching. I couldn't find any way around this... any advice? Here is the diff [2]. Lars (talk) 15:04, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

You can break the images up into 2 or 3 groups and still use {{FixBunching}}, so long as you use the correct begin, mid and end templates for each group. – ukexpat (talk) 16:02, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Why not just create an Image Gallery as described at WP:IG and WP:GALLERY. That would solve the problem, no? --Jayron32.talk.contribs 17:08, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Ahmed Deedat

Before it turns into an edit-war: there is a dispute about the validity of some Youtube-clips on the Ahmed Deedat-page. My opinion is that these clips shouldnot be used, while User:Movieporchz believes there is no problem in using them. See also Talk:Ahmed_Deedat#Concerning_Youtube-links. Jeff5102 (talk) 14:24, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

What bot am I thinking of?

I know there's a bot that looks for pages tagged for cleanup that are also tagged with wikiproject banners, then gives a list of problem pages to the wikiproject. What bot is this? I would like to have the bot also give wikiprojects lists of articles tagged as needing translation, which would be a more effective system than maintaining tons of separate project lists. Thanks! Calliopejen1 (talk) 14:32, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

User:WolterBot? --AndrewHowse (talk) 14:41, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Or User:ArticleAlertbot, examples of the output of both can be seen at Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Cleanup listing (WolterBot) and Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Article alerts (ArticleAlertbot). Nanonic (talk) 15:00, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Logged out when trying to make a Map request

I am logged in successfully (secure account) and I can navigate to most other ages without getting logged out, so I don't believe I have a cookie problem, but if I click on the link at this page Wikipedia:Graphic Lab/Map workshop to make a map request, I am logged out. I suppose I could still make the request, but I'd prefer to make the request under my user name. (I did make the request under my user name, but by copy and pasting, I'd prefer to be able to do it directly.) Sphilbrick (talk) 15:24, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, I'm not sure what's going on. I went to the page and clicked on the make a request section, but am still logged in. You may want to ask either at the associated talk page or possibly the village pump. TNXMan 16:02, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll try both. Sphilbrick (talk) 16:08, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Don't know how to post an article

Hi, I'm new at this. I logged in, wrote my article and thought it was published....wrong...what do I need to do, please??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Seriesse International (talk • contribs) 15:50, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

It appears that you have posted the article to your userspace instead of the main space. However, I would strongly encourage you to read our info on advertising and corporate notability before moving the page to the main space. TNXMan 15:53, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Autoconfirmed users

Hi,

I just registered for Wikipedia 5 days ago, and I have made more than 10 edits (a lot of these are to my User Page, or using Friendly to welcome users, but a few are to revert vandalism, wikify articles, or fix bad grammar). However, I still can't edit semi-protected articles, like God or User:Example. Is there any reason why?

-- BlizzardDragon6 16:31, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

The problem has been solved, it turns out that the required time period is 5 days, not 4.

-- BlizzardDragon6 16:33, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

The required period is four days. You should have become autoconfirmed at 16:28, 4 May, three minutes before your first post here. Algebraist 16:37, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Uploading pictures

If I were to come accross photos taken in the late 1800s and early 1900s, can they be uploaded into wikipedia?., If a Muesuem has the physical photos does this mean that they can re- copyright them, making it so i cant upload them? Hope i explained this well enough. Thanks Ottawa4ever (talk) 17:04, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Such photographs are likely to be in the public domain, but may not be, depending on such circumstances as where the photographs were taken, whether they were taken privately or for hire, and how long the photographer lived for after taking them. The owner of the physical photographs cannot claim new copyright over them (though they may be able to over derivative works that they create from the photographs), and (if the photos are still in copyright) might not even own the original copyrights. You should ask this question at WP:Media copyright questions, giving all the details you can about the photographs and the photographer. Algebraist 17:14, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

And see the links under Commons:COM:EIC#Copy, for example Commons:Commons:Image casebook and Commons:Help:Public domain. --Teratornis (talk) 18:09, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

I looked into the public domain for canada and they say any photgraph taken before 1949 is in the public domain. Ill still post at media copyright questions to be sure. Thanks a bunch Ottawa4ever (talk) 18:34, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Notability of Subject

We have attempted to create a page entitled "Diane Germano." We understand why this page was deleted; "non-notable person." Our client, Ms. Germano is not "non-notable," as she has published work both fiction and non-fiction. Diane Germano is a notable reviewer of literature, film and popular culture.

I have referenced (links) to her work, however, Ms. Germano is the copyright holder but has granted us permission to discuss her work. We have read other biographies, and we are wondering if we should submit a "stub" page? Help...we're very confused. Sorry.

Thank you.

Christopher Broms (talk) 17:51, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

See WP:BIO, WP:BLP, WP:COI for relevant policies and guidelines. Equendil Talk 18:08, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Special:Tags

What's it for and how do I use it? Cheers, Skomorokh 18:31, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Not entirely sure, but my understanding is that when an editor makes an edit, a special tag may be added to the edit summary. For example, if I was to remove a reference from an article, the special tag "references removed" would be added to my edit summary. I've used this a few times, in as much as if I see "references removed" I tend to check for vandalism etc. I'd guess this is fairly new, probably due to a recent software update. Cheers, This flag once was red^propaganda_deeds 18:35, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

It uses the Abuse Filter to automatically add comments to the article history log. For example:

• (diff) (hist) . . Primo Levi‎; 18:30 . . (+198) . . Primolevicenter (talk | contribs | block) (→Popular culture references) (possible conflict of interest) [rollback]

Since the article name and the editor name are similar, the COI tag was automatically applied. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 18:40, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

See this related thread at WP:VPT: Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Valid change tags. – ukexpat (talk) 18:42, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your responses. Is this strictly an abusefilter feature and not for regular consumption then? Skomorokh 10:24, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

my edits wont save

as in... I click "Save page" and reloads the old version...Noeyedeer (talk) 18:46, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

On what page are you encountering this error? –Juliancolton | ^Talk 19:14, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Try purging. Xenon54 (talk) 19:24, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes, could you perhaps tell us where specifically this has occurred? Also, did you try refreshing the page after saving? If you give us those specifics, perhaps we can help you a bit more. Cheers, tempodivalse [☎] 00:48, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Title spacing in sidebar

Can someone figure out how to get space between the titles and the [show] buttons in this version of {{Ethics}}? It should work like {{Anarchism sidebar}} but I can't see what code is missing or causing problems. Any help appreciated. Skomorokh 19:18, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

I've set it to a width that looks OK on my computer, but it might not on others using different fonts and such (I myself see a slight overlap on {{Anarchism sidebar}}). Unfortunately, I can't see a way of forcing it to choose a sensible width. Algebraist 19:58, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks very much Algebraist, that works for me. It is troubling that there is no way to fix the problem for all browsers/resolutions. Mahalo, Skomorokh 10:22, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Quick Information Box

How do you insert a quick information box into a page. For example: Logo, Founder, Location, Target Population. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Back on My Feet (talk • contribs) 19:51, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

These quick information boxes are called Infoboxs. You should find an appropriate Infobox template and use that. Algebraist 20:01, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Deleting Accounts

How do I delete my Wikipedia account? —Preceding unsigned comment added by CharosEagle (talk • contribs) 20:29, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

You can't. Well, it can be done, but the process is rare and difficult to go through. You can just create a new one or invoke your right to vanish. Livewireo (talk) 20:32, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Looking at your contributions after Sinebot added your signature (thanks Sinebot!), you haven't really made any contributions outside of this post, the sandbox and your userpage. Just make a new screen name. Livewireo (talk) 20:33, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Rare? The only way I know is direct deletion by the server admins and I'm not aware that this has ever been done ever. Algebraist 20:35, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Actually, accounts cannot be deleted. They can be abandoned and have their passwords scrambled, but the account will still be here. TNXMan 20:37, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

(e/c*2) It is impossible to completely delete an account (i.e. remove all records of a user ever having joined or edited). Wikipedia's licence, the GFDL, mandates that all authors to a page must be given credit for their contribution. Even if all of a user's edits were oversighted, a record of him would still exist, but it would only be visible to oversighters. Xenon54 (talk) 20:41, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

May 5

Enzo Ferrari (automobile)

Would a template expert please take a look at the opening paragraph of this one. The various "auto" templates appear to be screwing up the formatting of the text that follows them, but I am stumped as to the solution. Thanks. – ukexpat (talk) 00:25, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

I managed to get around this by substituting the various weight and measurement conversions, instead of a direct transclusion. Should work okay now. tempodivalse [☎] 00:46, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

It does thanks. Any idea what the problem is with the transcluded templates? And no need to leave a talkback for me (but thanks anyway!) -- I am a help desk regular and have this page watchlisted. – ukexpat (talk) 00:53, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

I have no idea what caused the problem - obviously something in one of the templates is conflicting, but I can't imagine why that would be. (PS sorry for the talkback, I know you must have this page watchlisted, but it's already become something of a habit, so I did it without thinking.) tempodivalse [☎] 00:59, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Yup it's a mystery so I have asked over at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Automobiles/Conventions. – ukexpat (talk) 01:12, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

It's as if the {{auto kg}}, etc templates force a new line and space. They seem to be mostly used in infoboxes, without ill effects, but sometimes break in body copy, e.g. in Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution#Evolution III. {{Convert}} might work a bit more smoothly in those cases. --AndrewHowse (talk) 01:32, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Im not new but how do I create?

I need some help creating some pages! Im not new but I don't know what to do! May anyone please help me! Im only eight years old and is in seconed grade. I'm only intrestid in making wikipedia pages! Can yo help? Thank you for your Cooperation! --Rhiannon (talk) 00:35, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Help:Starting a new page. You might also look at Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. tempodivalse [☎] 00:42, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

What do you want to write about? --Teratornis (talk) 02:18, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Viewing IP Userpages

Hi. How do I look up my IP userpage? I do know my IP address, I just don't know what the page would be. Waiwai933 (talk) 01:29, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

It's here. — Jake Wartenberg // ER 02:07, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

References help

How can I create references that are the same under "reflist"? They are listed as the same "note" in the section for references. For example, check out the article Hulu. Reference #11 under the "References" section is shown like this:
11. ^ ^{a b c}
I hope you get the idea. Please help! —Untitledmind72 (talk) 01:43, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Take a look at WP:NAMEDREFS. – ukexpat (talk) 02:10, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Adding name to chronological list of names

I want to add a name to the list of Law Clerks of the Supreme Court of the United States. There is an edit box for each seat, but I can't figure out how to insert the name in the right chronological sequence. 02:56, 5 May 2009 (UTC)~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wingate44 (talk • contribs)

You are referring to List of law clerks of the Supreme Court of the United States? Each of the "seat" sections is actually transcluded (fancy word for "automatically incorporated") from a separate article on that seat, see List of law clerks of the Supreme Court of the United States (Chief Justice), for example. So you have to edit those separate articles for the changes to appear in the main list. Be careful though, table coding can be confusing. – ukexpat (talk) 03:08, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

That's correct. And if you're not sure how to add it in the table, feel free to edit the talk page, requesting that another editor adds it. hmwithτ 14:42, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Ok, I think what I want to do is put the information on the talk page and ask that another editor add it. However, I'm not sure where the talk page is. Is there on on the Law Clerk list? Or, do I locate an editor's page? Sorry for these very primitive questions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wingate44 (talk • contribs) 19:46, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Another option would be to post a message on the talk page of the US Courts and Judges Wikiproject at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject United States courts and judges. – ukexpat (talk) 20:10, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Date/time format

Dates and times have suddenly changed format and started to include extra information like "last Thursday (6 days ago)." Have I somehow altered my settings to get all this extra stuff, or is it new? If new, is there a way to opt out?

Moreover, the calculation isn't accurate: at 09:35 5 May (UTC+1) I am looking at an entry which reads "10:05 pm, 30 April 2009, (6 days ago)(UTC+1)" That is actually less than 5 days ago - 4 days 11 hours 30 minutes, to be exact. JohnCD (talk) 08:46, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

It sounds like you have enabled "Change UTC-based times and dates, such as those used in signatures, to be relative to local time" under Gadgets at Special:Preferences. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:22, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, that was it, don't know how that happened. But for those who do use that facility, the elapsed-time calculation is still wrong. JohnCD (talk) 15:10, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

SEARCHING FOR A JOB

I,am a kenyan who has been searching for a job along time a have a diploma in stores management and stock control.Please assist me or advice me on the same i will appreciate any respond.Thanking you in advance God bless you

Hi. First, I do wish you the best of luck at finding a job. The one problem here is that we are an encyclopedia project, and mostly volunteers at that. We don't do any hiring, or job placement here, we just write articles - like: Job hunting. Best of luck to you. — Ched :  ?  12:34, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

oxcarbazepine with Quetiapine

Can the above 2 products given simultaneously and if yes what can be the maximum dose —Preceding unsigned comment added by Subane (talk • contribs) 12:31, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

We cannot offer medical advice. Please see the medical disclaimer, and contact an appropriate medical professional.. Sorry. — Ched :  ?  12:37, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Google and/or Yahoo Search Capabilities

How to I set it so my article comes up on Google or Yahoo when you search the title of my article?

Right now when you type in "Back on My Feet" to Google, the wiki article doesn't show up. And if you type in "Back on My Feet wikipedia", Michael Bolton comes up.

Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Back on My Feet (talk • contribs) 13:01, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Search engines usually take a few days to re-index Wikipedia. Give it a few days and the article should start to show in search results. TNXMan 13:08, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Google and Yahoo are in control over the results of their search engines. We, as mere Wikipedia editors, cannot do much to influence these results. You may wish to read search engine optimization, a featured article on the subject. Hope this helped. Goodraise 13:15, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

But let's not forget that we are here to build an encyclopedia, not engage in a Google or Yahoo page rankings contest. Search result placement is a nice side effect of what we do, but it's not the be all and end all of why contribute here. – ukexpat (talk) 16:02, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

How to read weekly CDF file with GrADS

I have a problem when using Reyn_SmithOIv2 weekly ssta. The CDF file is bigger than 300MB and the information about this data said it included 1433 pts :grid but when I use GrADS to draw pictures the time can't change. That is the data only include 1 pts:grid. Of course this is wrong. How can I solve this problem? Does someone know it? If yes, please tell me. Thank you very much!! My QQ: 337401399 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Purplejack1985 (talk • contribs) 13:20, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Hello. I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 2.8 million articles, and thought that we were directly affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the online free encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is a help desk for asking questions related to using the encyclopedia. Thus, we have no inside track on the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the left hand side of your screen. If that is not fruitful, we have a reference desk, divided into various subjects areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. Or you could try our math reference desk. TNXMan 13:26, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Reclaiming an old and inactive account

Resolved

 – ukexpat (talk) 16:00, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Greetings,

Upon trying to merge my accounts to a unified one, I found out I couldn't log in to my account here at enwp because of an (probably) old password. Seeing as the account Hallabro (talk · contribs) has no contributions, I was hoping it could either be removed (and later manually reinstated by me) or have the password changed by an administrator.

Have a great day! //Hallabro (contribs) from svwp, also known as 81.235.161.6 (talk) 13:24, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

I think you need to ask at Wikipedia:Changing username/SUL for a bureaucrat to help with this one. Bencherlite^Talk 13:55, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

You can request a new password by clicking "Email new password" on the log-in page. We do not delete accounts, and the bureaucrats won't do a rename due to the lack of contributions (if you cannot log-in to the old account, a rename couldn't be done anyway). Just create a new account & start editing! It's that simple. hmwithτ 14:33, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Oh, wait, is this a SUL attempt at trying to basically usurp your own, old account? In that case, the situation may be different. hmwithτ 14:38, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes, it's SUL-related, so a name change won't suffice I guess. Placed a request at the SUL page. Thanks for the heads up! 81.235.161.6 (talk) 14:40, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Deletion notice

Hi, I have just added a page to wikipedia regarding an Australian pro wrestler. The page is called "Brian Cannon aka Dingo, Thunder dingo, Dingo crocmaster. However, I just noticed that there's a notice that says "It is proposed that this article be deleted because of the following concern: no sources showing notability ". What does this mean, and how do I fix the problem?

ARCHONIAN LORE (talk) 13:42, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Please read WP:Notability. E Wing (talk) 13:48, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

I would suggest you read our info on biographies (which describes what articles about people should contain), as well as our info on reliable sources (which are used to support articles). TNXMan 14:07, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Brian Cannon needs a lot of work, most especially references. I suggest that you ask for userfication, where the article is moved to your userspace and you can polish it up until it is ready. I will do this at your request. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 14:26, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

What's the code to create a random article link in a wiki page?

Resolved

 – ukexpat (talk) 15:57, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

I have read the FAQs and tutorials, but I don't see what's the code needed to create a "Random article" link in a wiki page. Can someone explain how to do it?

Thanks in advance :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Registrau (talk • contribs) 14:58, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

It's not difficult, but I feel I must ask where you would place the link. Is this something for your userpage or an article? I can't imagine why an article would need a link to a random article. Of course, I could be missing something? TNXMan 15:07, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes, it's for personal use at my wiki site. Sorry if this is not the right place to ask so. It would be really handy if I could learn the code needed though. Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Registrau (talk • contribs) 15:15, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

No problem. The code looks like this: [[Special:Random]], which produces Special:Random. Best, TNXMan 15:21, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, that's really helpful :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Registrau (talk • contribs) 15:51, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

problems hitting internal connections

hi sometimes when i hit an internal connection, rather then go to page itself, I get a windows dialog box askong me to save a file. problem exists in both hebrew and english wikipedia i use ie8/vista home answer by email to <blanked> would be most appreciated Rzg (talk) 15:49, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

It sounds like you have a box checked in your preferences that shouldn't be. Go to the "My preferences" tab at the top of the page, then click on the "Editing" tab. Make sure that "Use external editor by default" and "Use external diff by default" are unchecked. Let us know if that fixes it. TNXMan 15:55, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

I am not editing. Just browsing through wikipedia and hitting an internal link. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rzg (talk • contribs) 09:05, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

commercial real estate leases

In Maui how much has commercial real estate leases declined in the last year? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.105.30.61 (talk) 15:56, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. TNXMan 15:58, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Where do I find job descriptions

I am looking for job descriptions for sales positions 16:39, 5 May 2009 (UTC)~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.180.120.245 (talk)

Hello. I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 2.8 million articles, and thought that we were directly affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the online free encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is a help desk for asking questions related to using the encyclopedia. Thus, we have no inside track on the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the left hand side of your screen. If that is not fruitful, we have a reference desk, divided into various subjects areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. TNXMan 16:40, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Opening Wikipedia in MIME

Since updating Windows Internet Explorer to 7, my browser tells me MS cannot open MIME every time I attempt to refer to a Wikipedia article (today's was VITICULTURE). What can I do to get back to Wikipedia without getting lost in the MS "Support" labyrinth?93.41.180.130 (talk) 16:42, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

It sounds like you have a box checked in your preferences that shouldn't be. Go to the "My preferences" tab at the top of the page, then click on the "Editing" tab. Make sure that "Use external editor by default" and "Use external diff by default" are unchecked. Let us know if that fixes it. TNXMan 16:44, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Thank you, Tnxman, for your speedy answer. Now, if you can tell me where I can find "my preferences" perhaps we could both get on with our lives. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.41.180.130 (talk) 17:12, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Sure thing. It should be at the top of the Wikipedia page. Does this happen when you are signed into an account here, or when you are here anonymously? TNXMan 17:17, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Though I use your pages daily, the way our dog worries her bone, I don't have a Wikipedia account. This is the first time I have asked you for help, mainly because seeking MS help plunges me into the deepest depression in the wake of time-wasting, mind-numbing chases to no avail. If I have to sign in, I will be happy to do so. Cheers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.41.180.130 (talk) 17:42, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

No, it's not that you have to be signed in to an account, it's just that I have not encountered this error for an anonymous editor. I think you may get a better response at the village pump, though, because I'm not sure what's going on. Sorry I couldn't be of more assistance. TNXMan 18:02, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

How to get message alerts removed from article

Hello,

I am new to Wikipedia so sorry for the questions. I have spent a fair amount of time trying to find my answers on the site but I can't!

My company has a listing on the site -- Triple Point Technology.

I'm not sure how it was originally posted. There are two alerts at the top -- 'Orphan' and 'Advertisement.' In researching the rules around Wikipedia, I understand why the Triple Point article reads like an advertisement. There are several 3rd-party information sources that could be listed to rectify this.

My question is, what is the process for getting the warnings removed and how long does it take? Who has the 'authority' to get the warnings posted in the first place? (I told him I thought it was some sort of group consensus.) My boss wonders if it is a competitor... meaning, are we powerless to keep it from happening again? Jen Svensson (talk) 17:00, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Ideally the person placing the tag would explain their concerns on the article's talk page. In this case, I see that did not happen. Best bet would be to make the changes you feel remove the Ad-like tone from the article, and open a discussion on the talk page. Be sure to read a few of the guidelines and policies that apply here, specifically the policies on Neutral Point Of View and Conflict of Interest which are two of the ones most applicable to that Ad-Like tag. Others include the Verifiability policy for information and claims, and the things Wikipedia is not supposed to be used for. If you make your changes and nobody will give any feedback, you may want to inquire at the Neutral Point Of View Noticeboard. You are sure to get some feedback there. Hope this helps! Arakunem^Talk 17:12, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Basically, anyone has the authority to add or remove these kinds of notices, though editors who might have a conflict of interest – such as competitors or employees of the company – are discouraged from posting or removing them. The best way to have the notices removed is to rewrite the article to remove the promotional/advertising elements, and add relevant links to the Triple Point Technology article by adding two square brackets around the company's name (i.e. [[Triple Point Technology]]) where it appears in other articles. Your company, like any other company, has no power to control any aspect of this or any other article, but that does not mean you are not welcome to try to overcome the issues raised. There is no formal power structure determining what content appears in Wikipedia articles – we are still the encylopaedia anyone can edit. I will take a look at the article and see what can be done, and please feel free to ask if you have any other questions or ideas. Regards, Skomorokh 17:12, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

To reduce the chance of getting into a dispute with the person(s) who added the template messages, you can check the history of the article to see who put the messages there. After you think you have fixed the problems, leave a message on the talk pages of those user(s), asking them to peruse the article and see if they agree you have fixed the problems. --Teratornis (talk) 02:24, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Internal links on the fritz?

A couple of times this morning, after editing and saving an article, I notice that the internal links in the article are missing and the linked text as well, thus:

The archaeological site of Ancient Pap (also known as ) is located on the bank of the in the of .

This article is an , as few or no other articles link to it. Please to this page from other articles related to it. (April 2009)

This location article is a . You can help by expanding it.

The external text & links show up fine. Clearing my cache does no good. Any ideas?? Pegship (talk) 17:21, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

That happened to me a few weeks ago, it just went away after a while. I figured it was something to do with Wikipedia's servers being overloaded or something... TastyCakes (talk) 17:24, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

It's like suddenly being subjected to a Mad Lib...Pegship (talk) 17:28, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Adding a template to pages

Hey, I made a template for a music artist but I don't understand how to add it to their pages - any ideas? Thanks! Slowpoke (talk) 20:44, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Just add {{Lily Allen}} to the relevant pages, just before the categories section. – ukexpat (talk) 20:55, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Computers(Unix Security)

CVE-2008-5249/CVE-2008-5250 functions, In particular attention should be paid to the following questions

1. What is the scale and scope of the vulnerability;

2. What Linux Systems does it affect;

3. What is the level of threat posed by this vulnerability to Linux Systems;

4. How does the exploit function;

5. How is the exploit code delivered to the target system?

6. How can this manage/mitigate this vulnerability? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.3.30.185 (talk) 20:47, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Have you tried the Computing section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps. TNXMan 20:49, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

copyright constraints?

Are all images on Wikipedia copyright free, that is others could use them (with proper credit) for their own purposes such as web use? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.55.6.9 (talk) 21:18, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Click on the image and you will see the licensing information. Many images are not free, such as images of album covers. -- kainaw™ 21:25, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

It depends. There are broadly two categories of image on Wikipedia: the free-ish and the "fair use". "Fair use" images generally can't be used on personal websites unless you have a valid fair use claim for your legal jurisdiction. Most of the images on Wikipedia are under the GFDL and can be freely used as long as that is noted. Some of them have other conditions, such as Creative Commons 3.0 Attribution, which means you must state who the creator of the image. Other images depend on your legal jurisdiction - might be free in the U.S. but not in Japan and so on. You can tell what specific copyright conditions an image is under by clicking on it and reading its description, so if there's a specific image you want to use just post the link here and we will try to help. Skomorokh 21:27, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

(ec)No, in particular many images on Wikipedia are used in accordance to the fair use rationale. Each image has a description page which should hold copyright information, there is no generic case. Images on Wikimedia Commons, on the other hand, are either in the public domain or under 'free' licenses such as the GFDL or Creative Commons which allow redistribution etc. Equendil Talk 21:32, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Image requesting a photo of a living person

I have seen an image on articles, especially in an infobox, saying that an image is not available, but asking for such an image. What is the file name of this image? --DThomsen8 (talk) 22:44, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Do you mean this one and this one? TastyCakes (talk) 22:49, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes, those images. However, I see a long discussion about whether these images are appropriate in articles, so I am unsure whether to make use of one of these images, or not. Advice?--DThomsen8 (talk) 00:40, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

A glance at Wikipedia:Image placeholders, Wikipedia talk:Image placeholders, and Wikipedia:Centralized discussion/Image placeholders provides plenty of reasons to feel unsure. Since the Wikipedia community has formed no consensus about using these images, you would use them at your own risk. I.e., if someone who doesn't like the images sees your use of them, he or she might remove them. Since different users focus on different parts of Wikipedia, it's hard to predict whether someone would notice and then disagree with your use of these images. However, you are probably asking this question because you want a free content photo of some particular person. There are other ways to go about requesting photos, which might be better than putting a notice on the article itself. Most people who look at Wikipedia do not edit Wikipedia, so a notice on the article itself would probably confuse and possibly annoy 99 out of 100 or so visitors, who just come here to read and probably have no idea how to upload a photo or how to deal with our stupefying licensing requirements. Other methods to try:

• Wikipedia:Requested pictures
• Search for a free image with {{Flickr free}}. For example, let's try searching for free photos of a random celebrity:
  • Search Flickr for images with the keywords: Richard Dawkins under these licenses: cc-by or cc-by-sa - amazingly this produces a number of quality results (some of which are already on Commons).
• Think about the geographic area(s) in which your person of interest makes public appearances. Then look through Wikipedia:Wikipedians/Photographers and maybe you can find someone in the area who can take a photo.

--Teratornis (talk) 02:06, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Can I make a reference to a CD sleeve and the internet wayback machine?

I'm currently trying to write an article that requires me to make references that did exist a few years ago. I looked the website up that contains the information from the wayback machine. Is this a legitimate source? Also some references require citations from the CD inlay. Is this legitimate also? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wax0nightmare (talk • contribs) 23:31, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

For the first question, see Wikipedia:Using the Wayback Machine. --Teratornis (talk) 02:11, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

As for how to/whether to cite album liner notes, I think that question has come up before. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums for extensive guidelines about article layout. My quick scan didn't find anything about citing liner notes. You could look at some featured articles about albums and see how or whether they do it. If nobody answers your question here, ask on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Albums after checking the archive there. --Teratornis (talk) 02:19, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

May 6

Image with copyright problem

Resolved

 – ukexpat (talk) 03:10, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

This image [[File:BeethovensPiano.jpg]] is claimed to be public domain. But in the place for writting the permission is just written "Public domain". There is nothing that indicate that the image is public domain. Also the source (http://www.kingsbarn.freeserve.co.uk/bpianos.html) has no information about the image being public domain. And there is no information about the year the picture was taken. Therefore I think that the image is stolen from http://www.kingsbarn.freeserve.co.uk/bpianos.html. I don't know what to do about this but I thought that I should say it to you. Hope that someone will take care of the problem... Fanoftheworld (talk) 00:04, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

You could ask on Wikipedia:Media copyright questions about File:BeethovensPiano.jpg. --Teratornis (talk) 02:10, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Ok. Thank you. Fanoftheworld (talk) 11:11, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Legobot restores vandalism

Hey, I undid vandalism at the Georgian mutiny article and Legobot restored it http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2009_Georgian_Mutiny&diff=next&oldid=288185331 What's going on? Is something wrog with the bot —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.124.190.154 (talk) 02:07, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Looks like there was an edit conflict and the bot just ignored it entirely and went on with its version. Not a good behaviour from a bot, though I expect that's rare. Equendil Talk 02:26, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

A message on the bot's talkpage would be a better idea mind you : User talk:Legobot. Equendil Talk 02:27, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Appropriate RfC topic area(s) for Internet homicide?

Article is about people who have used the internet to select victims they then killed, both in reality and in fiction. "Maths, science, and technology" might be appropriate because of the internet, "Art, architecture, literature and media" because of journalistic writing about the subject, depictions in stories and films, and because of the internet, "Society, sports, law, and sex" because of the internet culture (chatrooms, ads) and the crime element. None are precisely good fits. It used to be two areas could be selected, but now it's unclear whether more than one can be. Also, are there other places where civil input for consensus/mediation could be solicited? Шизомби (talk) 03:02, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

I wouldn't see anything wrong with putting a dispute under more than one RFC category. They exist to help resolve disputes, so there would be no reason to restrict that on technical grounds. As for other venues, if there are very specific issues at hand, such as the neutrality or originality of a passage, or the reliability of a source, you can go to one of the noticeboards (see WP:NORN, WP:NPOVN, and WP:RSN). You can also request opinions on the talk pages of relevant WikiProjects, which is more likely to get people interested specifically in the topic, assuming those projects are active. Someguy1221 (talk) 05:12, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Getting A Reply

Resolved

 – Waiwai933 (talk) 22:26, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

I understand that there's some way to put something in the reply on an article talkpage so that the person you're replying to gets a notice somehow. How would I do this? Waiwai933 (talk) 04:29, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

You can post {{Talkback|Talk:page name|section}} on their talk page. It's not automatic, though. You'll have to go and place the template on their talk page yourself. Someguy1221 (talk) 05:07, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Span templates

Are there templates that shrink the code needed to have span HTML in an article? Specifically looking for span id and general text labeling support.  æron phone home  07:01, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

There's {{Span|class}}, but it has to be used with its partner, {{endspan}}, so I'm not sure that actually makes anything easier. There's also {{Plainlinks}}, which does compress the code. If there are more span templates than that, I'm not aware of them. Someguy1221 (talk) 07:12, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Nah, that's not what I was looking for. I went ahead and made templates from scratch that do the job. :P  æron phone home  09:35, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

{{Anchor}} can do at least some of the things you appear to want. Goodraise 11:18, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Can I simply translate a wikipedia entry about a topic to another language?

Hi,

I want to have an entry about time banking concept in Turkish. There are quite a lot of information about the topic in english and spanish.

Can I simply translate this information to turkish and create an article? As I am still not a registered user in wikipedia, can you please inform me what is the best way to solve my problem?

Cheers, —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.35.188.56 (talk) 10:18, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

• Yes, you can. Just make sure that the resulting article is verifiable and has good references. If the Turkish Wikipedia accepts them, they can be in any language you want, but try to find Turkish ones if you can. Does this page help? - Mgm|^(talk) 11:03, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
• (edit conflict)Yes, you can do that. The article text of all articles on every language version of Wikipedia is licensed under the GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL). Translation of articles is not only allowed, but encouraged. In fact, it is done all the time. The only thing you have to do to comply with the GFDL is to give credit to the original authors. When translating from another language into English, the preferred method of attribution is placing the {{Translated page}} template on the article's talk page. What methods are available and which are preferred may vary among the different language Wikipedias. Consider asking at the help desk of the Wikipedia in the language you want to translate into about how best to attribute. I hope this answered your question. Goodraise 11:15, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Referencing a programme for a musical.

Is there a suitable template for the citation of those programmes (i.e. those booklets which tell you about the directors, actors, etc.) that you get when you watch a musical? I want to make a reference to the director's notes, and I can't find similar text anywhere on the internet. Thank you! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Michaelterren (talk • contribs) 12:21, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

You may find something useful in Category:Citation templates. If not, you could ask at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Musical Theatre. Goodraise 12:27, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

There is no dedicated template I don't think. I suppose you could use {{Cite book}}, but why not just format a transparent reference? Citation formatting templates are 100% optional. The concern is that the reference displayed to the world is verifiable, and that means, transparency. Citation formatting templates foster uniformity and ease but the concern is the citation display, not what it looks like in edit mode. So just make it up.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:28, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Use easybib.com. Select a pamplet/leaflet option. Copy/paste it between <ref></ref>. hmwithτ 14:26, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

How does one display a photo from another language area's Wiki Common?

Resolved

 – WikiBlackledge (talk) 14:41, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia has a clear way to insert a Common photo into an article: File:Photoname.jpg - however, I have found a photograph in a German article, from the German common area, and this structure doesn't seem to work across languages - suggestions? WikiBlackledge (talk) 14:09, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

You seem (at User:WikiBlackledge/Monte Cervantes) to have truncated the link, correct link is : File:Bundesarchiv Bild 102-09086, Passagierschiff "Monte Cervantes".jpg

Note that there is no "German" Wikimedia Commons, anything on Commons *is* available to all projects, regardless of language. Equendil Talk 14:19, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Ah, That's the Ticket! Thank you! WikiBlackledge (talk) 14:41, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

navbox class loses collapsible argument?

Resolved

 – Answered at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)‎ ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 19:46, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Has the navbox class lost the ability to use the collapsible argument? That is, are constructs like:

{| class="navbox collapsible"

 |-

 <yada yada>

|}

now pointless with respect to the collapsible part? When I use them, the resulting boxes look right other than there is no collapsibility there at all. Has something changed recently with the underlying code? Thanks, Baccyak4H (Yak!) 14:09, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

I know it's only been 3 hours since you posted your question, but you may receive more helpful responses if you post it at the village pump for technical questions. Maedin\^talk 17:51, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

It is certainly worth a try. Thanks! Baccyak4H (Yak!) 18:19, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Content of "discussion" page

Hello I recently created this article

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:David_R._Brown_(neuroscientist)

There was "discussion" about whether this should be included which was resolved and the contribution was posted. Now, all this "discussion" remains on the discussion page associated with the article. I don't think it is appropriate for it remain there as it is not about the contents of the article and it also makes me known publically as the person that created it.

I keep trying to delete it but it keeps being put back. Please can this be remove or at least my name be removed.

thanks

gonkstem--Gonkstem (talk) 16:12, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

It seems like relevant material for a talk page. Why do you think it should be removed? Your username is listed in the history anyway, and so it needs to be, under the GFDL. --AndrewHowse (talk) 17:18, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

I have come across this issue before. There is no stigma attached to discussions about deletion, notability etc on talk pages (article or user). Talk pages are there for discussions like that. – ukexpat (talk) 18:41, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

John Boyd Dunlop - two people with same name

Resolved

 – ukexpat (talk) 03:09, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure what to do here. John Boyd Dunlop was a Scottish inventor, but John Boyd Dunlop is also the name of a chess player; article pending at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/John Dunlop (chess player). What if someone types in John Boyd Dunlop looking for the chess player. Should the chess player's article also contain the middle name Boyd? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.186.165.121 (talk) 16:31, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

If, as you seem to suggest, the chessplayer is best known as John Dunlop then the article would go at John Dunlop (chess player) and a dablink would go at the top of John Boyd Dunlop; it would be something like {{for|the chess player|John Dunlop (chess player)}} I think. --AndrewHowse (talk) 17:14, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

What AndrewHowse has referred to is called a hatnote: see Wikipedia guidance on hatnotes here. However, both the chess player, John Dunlop, and the inventor, John Boyd Dunlop, are listed at the disambiguation page, John Dunlop. There would be no problem naming the article for the chess player John Boyd Dunlop (chess player), but you should first determine what he is most commonly known by: John Dunlop or John Boyd Dunlop? Either answer can be accommodated without a problem. Maedin\^talk 17:48, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice. I think I'll leave the article name as it is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.186.165.121 (talk) 01:07, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

How to use the the tranlation toll

I found this toll which translates an entiry page {{Expand Spanish}} . But I don´t know how to save it to create a new article here in English. This is the page I want to create here: http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jose_Guillermo_Cortines --Juliaaltagracia (talk) 17:38, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

The {{Expand Spanish}} template is not an automated tool, it's just a notice. Human intervention is required to actually perform the translation and incorporate it into the English Wikipedia article. – ukexpat (talk) 18:45, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

• • I understand that I have to put the title and then click translate, I got that far, it it does a pretty good translation. But when I try to copy to a new article, it shows both version when I do the paste, Spanish and English. I need to know how it really works or is done properly --Juliaaltagracia (talk) 19:09, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

The translation link in {{Expand Spanish}} is a link to Google Translate, which is a machine translation tool. This is not sufficient for translating an article between two language Wikipedias, because:

• Machine translation is fallible.
• Google's tool only translates from the HTML of a Wikipedia page, and not the (source) wikitext. Thus the output from Google Translate is not in a form suitable for pasting directly into a destination Wikipedia, even if the translation was grammatically acceptable.

Instead, the Google output is merely a guide to assist the human translator. Translating Wikipedia articles requires a person to have a rare collection of skills:

• Reasonable fluency in the source language;
• Native-level fluency in the destination language;
• A thorough knowledge of wikitext editing and policies and guidelines as they apply to the destination Wikipedia.
• Domain knowledge about the article subject, sufficient to prevent translation mistakes (sometimes a literal translation does not work within a given subject area, for example if the subject uses common words in specialized meanings).

Note that it is more important to be fluent in the destination language than in the source language. For example, a translator can do a better job translating from articles in a second language to articles in his or her native language. If your native language is, for example, Spanish, and English is your second language, you will probably find it easier to translate from English to Spanish than from Spanish to English. If the translator is not especially fluent in the source language, he or she can compensate by having enough domain knowledge about the subject, sufficient to allow him or her to make sense of the sometimes-garbled output of a machine translation tool such as Google Translate.

For more information, see the links under WP:EIW#Translate. If you want to try translating the es:Jose Guillermo Cortines article to English, I suggest you practice on a user subpage:

• User:Juliaaltagracia/Jose Guillermo Cortines

You can practice on that page with fewer worries of other users deleting your article or marking it up with template message complaints while you are still working on it. See WP:LAYOUT for a guide to laying out articles on the English Wikipedia; probably this is similar to what the Spanish Wikipedia uses. --Teratornis (talk) 01:02, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Can I reduce Svg's & Png's image size online ?

Can someone tell me any online site that I can possibly do it ? Can someone suggest me a software for that purpose ? Arteyu ? _{Blame it on me !} 18:32, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia would love having the largest size available, as long as it's a clear image. However, if you are uploading a copyrighted image, smaller would be better. hmwithτ 20:47, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Renaming file

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 – File deleted. – ukexpat (talk) 20:41, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

I need admin help to rename this file, File:Sunderland FC.svg, please rename it to File:Sunderland AFC.svg. I forgot to put the capital A letter. Thanks Arteyu ? _{Blame it on me !} 18:32, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Image renaming is not possible at the moment. Just upload it again with the correct file name and tag the incorrect one for deletion. – ukexpat (talk) 18:38, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

The new image had already been uploaded, please delete File:Sunderland FC.svg ASAP, thanks Arteyu ? _{Blame it on me !} 19:13, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

I have tagged it for speedy deletion. An admin will delete it in due course. – ukexpat (talk) 19:15, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks a lot Arteyu ? _{Blame it on me !} 19:25, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Posting a picture

I am trying to post a picture of Steve Harris (the actor) but I can not as I am not a administrator, etc. I am not under standing this whole process. Must I edit 10 articles BEFORE I can post a picture? What if I have not yet found any articles i can edit / contribute to?

Any help would be appreciated... thank you.

ksmarko KSMarko (talk) 18:51, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes, before you can upload files your account has to be autoconfirmed, ie ten edits and at least 4 days old. Edits to your user page count so you could just make them there. Before you upload an image, you will have to make sure that you understand our free use guidelines. If this is an image that you found on the internet it is almost certainly copyrighted and therefore not appropriate for upload to and use on Wikipedia. – ukexpat (talk) 19:13, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

If you don't want to wait four days to upload a picture, you can "merge" your account with Special:MergeAccount, and upload to Wikimedia Commons right now (Commons also has an autoconfirmation period; it does not limit your ability to upload new images, but it does limit your ability to update existing images). However, four days is probably about how long it takes to read and understand enough of our instructions about uploading images, and image licensing, to have a good chance of doing it correctly. If you tell us more about the image you want to upload, we can give you specific instructions. Is this a photograph you took yourself of the subject, who was appearing in public with no expectation of privacy? Or is it a photograph you found on the Web? If the latter, where did you find it? Also, note that it is quite easy to find 10 things you can edit. Just read some Wikipedia articles, look for common misspellings, and fix them. --Teratornis (talk) 01:29, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

We can search Flickr for suitably free content images of Steve Harris with the handy {{Flickr free}} template:

• Search Flickr for images with the keywords: "Steve Harris" under these licenses: cc-by or cc-by-sa

but the results seem to be dominated by the bass player from Iron Maiden. If you find a suitably free image on Flickr of the correct Steve Harris, you can upload to it Commons somewhat easily with a tool called Flinfo; see Commons:COM:EIC#Flickr for more information, and see a complete example at Commons:User:Teratornis/Flickr examples. --Teratornis (talk) 01:40, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

May 7

Automatic protection

Resolved

 – ukexpat (talk) 03:07, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Is there an ongoing discussion on semiprotection of articles on the recently deceased? The Maurice Jarre debacle brought this idea to mind.Ordinary Person (talk) 00:35, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

The debacle you mention might be yet another argument in favor of Flagged revisions. If you don't find a discussion specific to biographies of recently no longer living people, you might look at the discussions about flagged revisions. --Teratornis (talk) 01:13, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Ta. Ordinary Person (talk) 01:20, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

How to Save?

how to save articles to account? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Prasun v (talk • contribs) 03:18, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure to what you are referring. Are you trying to create an article or are you trying to save an already written article to your computer? TNXMan 11:53, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

First get a named account, it's free. Then you can create a subpage for your account. You can save anything acceptable on it. This is a recommended way to make your own sandboxfor experiments with editing.Cuddlyable3 (talk) 13:59, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Userboxes and transclusion

I can't figure out why this works here, but after transclusion, gets screwed up. Can anyone figure this one out? ~ ωαdεstεr16_«talk^stalk» 03:56, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Quality of article

I've studied about attribute that promove quality of article. So, I have the following questions: In an article there is a structure, then, I would of analyse about the grammar use, style, structure and other. For exemple I know that in grammar there are attribute as: prepositions, conjunction, article and others. But I would like know, how could I do for analyse sentence that start with prepositions, conjunction or article are important for quality of article?

Is important there is a high number of grammar attributes in article?

Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Adriaoliveira (talk • contribs) 04:45, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

The use of proper grammar is probably not something which could be added up by any sort of point system. Analysis of proper usage is a qualitative exercise, not a quantitative one. You could not count up the number of prepositions in an article to decide if it is a good article or not! Usage and not numbers is the key to proper writing! It would be like judging the quality of a painting by counting the brushstrokes or the quality of a statue by weighing it. It makes no sense to judge the quality of writing by counting the numbers of "grammar attributes" as you put it. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 04:51, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

The OP's question may have far-sighted implications. English may develop towards a more uniformly machine processable form than we see today. That would allow everyone to rely on machine translation and could hypothetically have exciting consequences. Wikipedia article material gives an ideal test object because of its large mass and broad ranges of vocabulary and languages. Cuddlyable3 (talk) 13:46, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

References in Tyrone McKenzie Article

In the article about Tyrone Mckenzie I added that he was injured and will be out for the 09-10 season. I have a reference, I made the table and everything and it is not working what am I doing wrong? Here is the text from the section professional career: CLICK EDIT TO VIEW TEXT!!!

The closing references tag is </ref> not <references/>. If you fix that tag, it should be fine. Wait, I'll do it... OK. I fixed it in the article. It should be fine now. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 06:14, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

how can i know if the changes are right or not?

hello,i have changed 2 articles.eg.hudong and 1997. but,i don't know if the changes are correct. i need you help,i want to know the way. thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gelria515 (talk • contribs) 09:06, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

They look alright to me.  æron phone home  09:23, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

What do you mean by 'correct'? The previous figures had a reference which is no reflected in your edit. You need to find a reliable ref and include it at the article , as more up-to-date,to reflect your change. RashersTierney (talk) 09:37, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Need someone with rollback privilages to revert an accidental article change

List of Wii games is an article I'm working to overhaul and accidentally posted half-finished changes to the live article. Because of its size my browser keeps timing out trying to undo my change. Can someone who's awake please roll it back since it wasn't supposed to be posted in the first place?  æron phone home  09:21, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

I've reverted my edit, would still like a rollback if anyone with the ability wouldn't mind.  æron phone home  10:28, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

• Since you already undid your last edit, the article is the same as it was on Bagdad's last edit (before the anon vandal). I have rollback permissions, but there's nothing to use them on since you already fixed it yourself. - Mgm|^(talk) 10:50, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

I thought it applied to accidental edits so the history won't reflect the obvious mistake if requested by the person who made the mistake.  æron phone home  12:01, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Rollback can only be used for vandlism however you could use the revert tool which is avaiable ot all editor i believe--Andrewcrawford (talk) 11:52, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

If revert is what I think it is it'll still have the two edits I made, so it's no different from an undo unless I'm mistaken.  æron phone home  12:01, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes, that is in fact the case - rollback and revert are nothing different than a manual undo, rollback just makes it easier to undo an edit with a single mouse click (everythig still appears in the edit history, if you use rollback or do a manual revert). If an edit needs to be completely removed from the edit history, it has to be oversighted, but that's reserved for really serious policy violations (someone outing another editor by posting their address or phonenumber, for example). Simple editing mistakes and the usual run-of-the-mill vandalism don't have to be oversighted. -- Ferkelparade π 13:45, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

I see. Thanks for the info.  æron phone home  14:46, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Info box

How would I create an info box for the Tommy Meier page? Assistance or if you can do it for me would be helpful. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sblake927 (talk • contribs) 12:29, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

I think the best one to use would be {{Infobox NASCAR driver}}. Give that a shot and let us know if that's what you're looking for. TNXMan 13:03, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Mistake: File:Crystal Palace.svg

I have made a mistake while uploading File:Crystal Palace.svg, try to look at the "File History" section of the file, I've wrongly written "Ipswich Town F.C.", it should be "Crystal Palace F.C." instead, on the Comment column. Is there any possible way to change it ? Thanks Arteyu ? _{Blame it on me !} 12:44, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

It looks like you fixed it in the main details of the page; I wouldn't worry about the note in the file history section. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 13:18, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

AWB

Is it possible to not have to keep clicking save when you're doing a large job (>100) in AWB??? From,
Limideen 14:46, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Complaint

I'd like to register a complaint against various admins and other users who belong to the linguistics community on Wikipedia. Please tell me where I can do this. I believe that this page is for questions on how to use Wikipedia, and not for complaints. Likewise, if I should have to express it here, please let me know and I shall do the same. Thanks. Tsupre (talk) 15:01, 7 May 2009 (UTC)