User talk:Cirt

AFD/T • T-7 • T-2 • AFDO • AIV • RFUB • UAA/CAT • RFPP • PER • CSD • AB • FAR • FAC urgents • TFAR • Google Search Requests for adminship and bureaucratship update No current discussions. Recent RfAs, recent RfBs: (successful, unsuccessful)

Other neat portal ideas for longer term

• Longer term ideas to think about from other portals:

1. Events section, like: "On this day" e.g., Biography, Religion, United States; "Selected anniversaries" e.g., War; "Calendar" at Holidays. Interesting idea of "Month selected anniversaries", at Oregon.
2. Model intro with some rotating images, after Portal:Oregon, Portal:Indiana, Portal:Iceland/Intro and Portal:Philosophy of science/Intro.
3. Revamp DYK sections w/ free-use images, model after Portal:Criminal justice and Portal:Oregon.
4. Portal palettes at User:RichardF/Palettes/Portals. Comparable color schemes can be developed from the various hue lists at User:RichardF/Palettes. Also see Portal:Box-header.
5. If there are a lot of categories, then categories section to 2 columns, like in Portal:Indiana.

   Also take some time to check out style/formatting at Portal:Indiana Cirt (talk)

Note to self

• MakeRef

independent reliable secondary sources

• User:Citation bot/use

• {{findsources}}

Citation model

The Simpsons (season 3)

Body text in-cite

<ref name="REFNAME">[[#LASTNAME|LASTNAME]], p. PAGENUMBER</ref>

References section

(reference template from WP:CIT)

*<cite id=LASTNAME>REFERENCE</cite>

Different model

• Template:Citation
• Template:Harvnb
• Example: <ref name="REFNAME">{{Harvnb|LAST|YEAR|p=PAGENUMBER}}</ref>

See models at The General in His Labyrinth and Mario Vargas Llosa.

More info. Cirt (talk)

More at Wikipedia:Harvard citation template examples.

And Template talk:Harvard citation no brackets.

Cirt (talk)

Dispatch

Cirt, Awadewit suggested that you might be interested in writing a Signpost Dispatch article on Featured portals (the only area of featured content we haven't covered). Sample previous articles are at {{FCDW}}. We've covered:

• Featured content overview
• Peer review
• Did you know
• Featured lists
• Good articles
• Featured sounds
• Featured topics
• Images
• TFA
• And Featured articles many times: Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2008-07-21/Dispatches, Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2008-04-07/Dispatches, Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2008-10-13/Dispatches

None of them start out looking like that: if an editor initially just chunks in some text, many others chip in to tweak it up to Signpost standards. For example, someone wrote this, which Karanacs, Royalbroil and I turned into this, so if you just chunk in some text as a start, others can help finish it off. Another example, I put in this outline, and Karanacs brought it up to this. Other editors have written almost complete and clean Dispatches without much need for other editing. If you're interested, please weigh in and coordinate at WT:FCDW In case you're interested, you could just begin sandboxing something at WP:FCDW/Portals and pop over to WT:FCDW to leave a note when you're ready for others to help out. Regards, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:26, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Will mull this over and most likely draft something up. Cirt (talk) 11:54, 18 November 2108 (UTC)

Razzies progress

• 15th Golden Raspberry Awards through 29th Golden Raspberry Awards = reformatting process done.
  • Note: Going to have to go back and model these after the modifications made subsequently to 29th Golden Raspberry Awards.
• 29th Golden Raspberry Awards - so far only one expanded with sourcing research. (WP:FL)
• Razzie Award for Worst New Star = reformatting process done, next to use Talk:Razzie Award for Worst Picture as model to reformat other pages in Category:Golden Raspberry Awards by category (with subsection breaks by decade)

Cirt (talk)

Work in progress - Van Morrison

• Van Morrison (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Much of the music Morrison released throughout the 1980s continued to focus on the themes of spirituality and faith. His 1983 album, Inarticulate Speech of the Heart was "a move towards creating music for meditation" with synthesisers, uilleann pipes and flute sounds and four of the tracks were instrumentals. Van Morrison is a former Scientologist; during the 1980s he dedicated an album to the organization's founder L. Ron Hubbard. Van Morrison was recruited into Scientology by Scientologist and musician Nicky Hopkins. Friends of Van Morrison's within his musical circle that were also into Scientology included Mark Isham and Robin Williamson. Van Morrison's album Beautiful Vision was influenced by Scientology, and his next album Inarticulate Speech of the Heart (1983) included a "special thanks" credit given to L. Ron Hubbard. After Scientology, Van Morrison moved on to "a broadly Christian faith". He titled his 1986 album No Guru No Method as an attempt to distance himself from Scientology. In a review of Van Morrison's musical work in The Times, journalist Pete Paphides described his album No Guru, No Method, No Teacher as "the 1986 album that found Morrison adrift from God, wounded by his dalliance with Scientology, wrestling the mother of spiritual hangovers and deciding that only the compass of memory could help a lost soul to redemption". Van Morrison's exploration of spirituality, including Jehovah's Witness, Christianity, mysticism, and Scientology, served as an influence for his works including Astral Weeks, "Kingdom Hall", Enlightenment and "Whenever God Shines His Light". In 1991, Van Morrison explained his period of spirituality and self-reflection, commenting: "I'm into all of it, orthodox or otherwise. I don't accept or reject any of it. I'm not searching for anything in particular, I'm just groping in the dark for a bit more light." In 1995, when asked by the University of Ulster to list his favorite philosophers, Van Morrison included Aristotle, Socrates, Sartre, Steiner – as well as L. Ron Hubbard. In 2009, the Pulitzer Prize-winning newspaper St. Petersburg Times listed Van Morrison among "Former Scientologists".

Cirt (talk)

Applause from the cheap seats

Like you needed me to tell you how good you are. While I am piling it on, I read about your troubles with the Thetans and you have my greatest sympathy. I have strong reasons to believe you also have a personal strong interest re the current subject and I understand that too. I'd just say one thing, having looked closely at the matter: it's my belief that the founder meant to show the followers exactly what could go wrong - he left it in their hands and it did go wrong, in ways that cannot in any way be excused. That's why I do not hold the founder responsible, nor the present leadership, some of whom were also targetted, nor the million others around the world. Perhaps you'll reject this analysis, but I'd like you to understand it. Of COURSE I respect your work, Cirt. Redheylin (talk) 08:26, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. Cirt (talk) 08:29, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

User:Sky_Attacker/Bacon_WikiCup_2010#Points_table

Your sign up has been approved for the Bacon WikiCup 2010. Thank you in advance for your participation.--Sky Attacker the legend reborn... 17:53, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. Cirt (talk) 17:53, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Have you started anything for the Bacon Challenge already? Report it here to get your first points. I'll fill in the points table section later once several reports have been made. --Sky Attacker the legend reborn... 18:02, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

It wasn't going to begin already but some editors have already gone ahead and have begun creating content. So it's been decided that people can get the event going (just remember to report what you have done to the project at the Bacon WikiCup report page) which in turn means that points can begin to be generated. I hope this answers your question.--Sky Attacker the legend reborn... 18:13, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Oh no no no no! They don't debut in the mainspace until March 1st. Create them in your userspace, report them here and automatically be able to get some points up.--Sky Attacker the legend reborn... 18:16, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Good job Cirt. Take a look at the points table now. You are first on the board with 7 points. ;)--Sky Attacker the legend reborn... 18:41, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! Cirt (talk) 18:43, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

User:Cirt/Everything Tastes Better with Bacon Wow! Impressive. ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:06, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Heh. Thanks! Cirt (talk) 20:08, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Great News!!!

Bacon Materializer

Unable to resist bacon's temptations, rogue editors have kicked off the Bacon Challenge 2010 before the New Year even starts! This is a fun and collegial event and all are welcome. There are many non-pork articles for editors who enjoy some sizzle, but object to or don't like messing with pig products. This year's event also includes a Bacon WikiCup 2010 for those who may want to keep score and enjoy engaging in friendly competition. Given the critical importance of this subject matter, I know you will want to participate, so remember to sign up today and get started A.S.A.P. ALL ARE WELCOME!!! The more the merrier. ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:06, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Bygones

Hey Cirt. I'm glad to see you're onboard with the Bacon Challenge! The more the merrier. I just wanted to let you know that I apologize for any misunderstandings between us. I do recognize that you have done a lot of good work on the articles in dispute and have been responsive to editors seeking changes. I believe tehre have been problems on all sides and I don't approve of the accusations made back and forth between various editors (myself included, I suppose). I'm also wary of administrative boards being used in content disputes, but sometimes things don't go as we'd like them to and perspectives and opinions clash in ways that aren't constructive. I'm sorry my efforts at mediation weren't more helpful and I want you to know that I don't have any hard feelings. I make efforts to "speak truth to power" here because the politics and cabalism concern me, and I don't approve of the way we treat newcomers and non-admin contributors generally. I try to point out contradictions and impropriety when I think doing so can be helpful in an effort to highlight areas for improvement, but clearly my approach to doing so could have been more delicate and discrete. I am sorry to have been a party to inflaming the situation, even though my intentions were good. Anyway, what's done is done, we all have our moments and are human. I am optimistic that our interactions will be more constructive and collegial going forward.

As an aside, I'm a fan of The Art of Negative Thinking movie and got to meet the director. I also like Elling (of course) and am hoping for a role in the next sequel! Take care and have fun. Good luck with your bacon work, there are some passionate competitors involved. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:15, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the apology, I really appreciate it. Cirt (talk) 19:28, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

You are correct.

Yes. March 1 2010. It is a long way off but that is only because the Bacon Challenge is a HUGE event. It is bigger than the FIFA World Cup lol.--Sky Attacker the legend reborn... 21:11, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Ready now

At Raj Mov talk.... There's two things sure in life: Astral projection will get spam and Tamil poet-saints can be spelled 100 different ways.... Redheylin (talk) 22:28, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Still experiencing a slight lack of consensus editing here, Cirt... Would you care to answer at the talk page? There are these things called "tags", the function of which is partly to prevent your editing looking hostile. I know you know that a great deal of the stuff you removed is referenceable, so it looks tendentious. Redheylin (talk) 22:37, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

OK, that's fair enough. I just do things in a different order normally, but then I do not usually do bios. I was wondering where you were. Hope just happily busy. Redheylin (talk) 02:35, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Been working on a new article, it's a biggie. :P Cirt (talk) 02:35, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

If anybody feels like explaining to me why everybody is talking about bacon? (see, I went looking for you!) Redheylin (talk) 02:51, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

For more info on Bacon, you may wish to read the scrumptious book, Everything Tastes Better with Bacon. :P Cirt (talk) 03:07, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Portal Nevada

Thanks for the promotion, I'll still work on the remaining issues (adding more DYKs, etc.) though. Regards, –Juliancolton | ^Talk 04:34, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

requesting an opinion

Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Christian Conventions/2 is a requested reassessment based on some fairly unusual factors. As one of the more active GA reviewers who deal with religious subjects, I think your input might be very valuable, if and when the time exists for you to do so. John Carter (talk) 15:56, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps you could give a summary here of what the issues of controversy/contention are? Cirt (talk) 00:56, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Basically,

• 1) very little is written about the subject anywhere, most of which though seems to be written by opponents and qualifies as comparatively SPS or not otherwise necessarily reliable. And I mean very little, most of it comparatively unavailable. WorldCat only produces 27 total entries, including variant editions here.
• 2) one of the major editors involved is a former adherent who is accused of bias by current adherents
• 3) active disagreements about the group's theological stance, largely because the group has no official publications to verify beliefs one way or another. Some sources available, like collections of sermons, have reliability by adherents questioned because of allegations of selective editing.
• 4) And there is a lingering question regarding title. "Two-by-twos" produces much more ghits than "Christian conventions".

That's about it, though. ;) John Carter (talk) 01:28, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

I think I'd first have to do some research on the topic, but were you going to comment at the GAR? Cirt (talk) 01:32, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Good luck finding anything, and I mean that literally. I was involved in finding some of the material, and I'm consulting the sources I can get tomorrow, so I can at least try to add something that might be useful. John Carter (talk) 01:36, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Murder of Huang Na GA review

Greetings, Cirt! Three months ago, you reviewed the GA nomination for this article and failed it due to instability. In the last two months, this article has only been edited twice - both edits were minor formatting changes. Would you like to read through the article and give it an unofficial review? Doing so would certainly help me prepare for the actual review. Thanks! --J.L.W.S. The Special One (talk) 16:46, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

List of U.S. states by Alford plea usage dyk

I commented on your dyk hook that it seems like your source article lists Michigan as accepting the Alford plea and only Indiana and New Jersey as not accepting it. Please clarify, as I may have misunderstood the article and source. Regards, —mattisse (Talk) 17:14, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Alford plea in Virginia

This case is probably better than the newspaper articles you cite. If you poke through it, you'll find that an Alford plea is treated no differently than a guilty plea under Virginia law. Good luck!--Wehwalt (talk) 22:18, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Okay will do, thanks! Cirt (talk) 00:44, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Four Award

		Four Award
		Congratulations! You have been awarded the Four Award for your work all through on Bale Out.

Nice job! ++Lar: t/c 00:02, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Thank you! Cirt (talk) 00:44, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Thank Tony too, he twisted my arm into doing one. :) ++Lar: t/c 02:42, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

LOL, ya he does that. Cirt (talk) 02:43, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Golden Raspberry Award

No worries. With a little more expansion, it should have no problems reaching B. It would be nice to see this article up to at least GA at some point so we'd have another example article for awards. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 05:00, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Good job on cleaning it up. It's definitely in better shape then the last time I looked at it. I wished more of our award articles were organized like this one. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 05:06, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Future lovers picture?

Could you please undelete File:Future lovers volume 1.jpg so that I can use it on Future Lovers (manga)? Thanks. :) --Malkinann (talk) 05:32, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Please try first contacting East718 (talk · contribs). Cirt (talk) 05:34, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

There's a notice on his page saying that he's having an attack of RL, so I didn't think he'd appreciate it. --Malkinann (talk) 05:35, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

 Done Cirt (talk) 05:41, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Cheers! :) --Malkinann (talk) 05:46, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Alford plea

On December 6, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Alford plea, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Materialscientist (talk) 05:56, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Fair Use Images

How do you get fair use images like the book cover you added for Seduced by Bacon? Do you just right click on the images and save them? How do you make sure it's low resolution? And when you upload them, you just copy a rationale from somewhere? There are a lot of issues to address. Are you going to add one for the Everything Tastes Better with Bacon article that you've written? I haven't done any fair use type stuff so I'm curious. Thanks. ChildofMidnight (talk) 08:08, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

WP:FURME. :P Cirt (talk) 08:10, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Okay cool. I'll have a look. Thanks. ChildofMidnight (talk) 08:11, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Eurasian Land Bridge RfC

Nothing personal, but how did you know about the RfC and how did you decide to assume what appears to be a referee's role in it? Cla68 (talk) 08:39, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Oh, no worries. First I was taking another look at some of the WP:RFC/Us which were listed at the top of WP:ANI, as I had commented in one of those that had closed recently. Then I browsed through the regular ones, and saw it listed at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Economy, trade, and companies. Cirt (talk) 08:51, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Okay. I was surprised by the sudden onslaught of contention on the article talk page. If you look at the article history and talk page discussions, things were flowing along fairly well until this weekend. I recently found more sources and now hope to try to take this article to FA level. I'm sure you will be of great help in helping with the RfC. Cla68 (talk) 09:34, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Removing Info from Project Chanology

I've reworded it to make it more relevant, including better references to show how its relevant to project chanology. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tinker Tenor Doctor Spy (talk • contribs) 22:58, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

ADDITION: It is perfectly relevant to Project Chanology. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tinker Tenor Doctor Spy (talk • contribs) 23:03, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

DYK for List of people who entered an Alford plea

On December 7, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article List of people who entered an Alford plea, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Materialscientist (talk) 00:01, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jeff Wolfert

[1] :) Tim Song (talk) 05:35, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. :) Cirt (talk) 06:11, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Lady Gaga

Yes!! Finally found a new picture of the lady with the disco-stick!. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 12:30, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Alastair Haines

FYI: Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification#Request for clarification AND amendment: Alastair Haines. Kaldari (talk) 17:27, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Cirt (talk) 19:21, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Pearl Harbor

Did this really warrant protection? There wasn't a lot of vandalism... Kind regards, —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 19:15, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Let's see how it does for the time being with the prot. Cheers, Cirt (talk) 19:22, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

DYK for List of U.S. states by Alford plea usage

On December 8, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article List of U.S. states by Alford plea usage, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Thanks from me and the wiki Victuallers (talk) 06:21, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Good thinking Cirt.

Excellent job for creating Template:Bacon. I'm surprised that nobody had even thought of that. You deserve big recognition for this. On the condition that it survives the nom (I've gone and !voted strong keep) I will award you fifteen points for the very useful navigation template.--Sky Attacker the legend reborn... 08:39, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm a bit down about the nom though. ;( Cheers, Cirt (talk) 08:40, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

You know what, even if it gets deleted, I still think you deserve some points for the idea. We'll see what happens.--Sky Attacker the legend reborn... 08:42, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

I'm not down or concerned about the points, or even the fact that it was nominated - rather the manner in which it was nominated. ;(. But thanks, Cirt (talk) 08:43, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

If you create a Bacon Wikiproject, please let me know so I can be one of the first to sign up. But a Bacon template of this sort seems silly, along the lines of a Milk or Bread navigational template. I intended to notify you but found it rather pointless given the fact you had left me a note on my talk page so quickly. And I will reiterate, once again, that this was nothing personal towards you, yet you seem to be taking the nomination (or the way it was nominated) quite personally and I find that to be unfortunate. Perhaps we can find something to work on together in a positive light in the future. JBsupreme (talk) 08:58, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

I would love to work on something in a positive light in the future. Thanks for reaching out, most appreciated. :) Cirt (talk) 08:59, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Removal of source at Disconnection

Please be careful about removing sources, as you did at the article Disconnection, here [2]. The source still satisfies WP:V, with or without an active URL. Thanks, Cirt (talk) 10:01, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Yup, sorry about that. Hadn't read WP:DEADLINK. I was about to restore them per talk page but got an edit conflict. > RUL3R^>trolling_>vandalism 10:04, 9 December 2009 (UTC) (hope you don't mind I also pasted your comment here)

Thanks for the welcome

Thanks Cirt for the welcome.--Dunshocking (talk) 13:44, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

from Uwe Kils

I only asked them to vote, no influencing, and I was allowed to make comments on the talk page. Uwe Kils 14:44, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

No. You violated WP:CANVASS, after being warned not to. Cirt (talk) 14:45, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

I agree. But Cirt, please spend a few words in reply to my remark at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Uwe Kils (3rd nomination). Thanks. Drmies (talk) 17:58, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Bio on Dr. David Lewis Anderson - Deleted

Hello Cirt

We are new to using Wikipedia and hope you can reply with some advice. We are trying to post a bio of Dr. David Lewis Anderson. We clarified and provided as requested very specific citations of his work and appearances, but the bio was deleted.

Dr. Anderson's work has published many articles, more than 30, has appeared numerous times on major radio shows, reaching millions, discussing his work. He has published books, audio CDs, and video documentaries. We provided information, includeing ISBNs and links from the radio show website, along will links to many of his most important articles.

His role with the United Nations was questioned, we did remove this but are working with UNESCO in Europe to provide a formal citation from their website that would be acceptable by Wikipedia. This is a very important part of his life and he has run programs for youth in four regions of the world, reaching tens of thousands of youth.

We value wikipedia and hope to use it not for commercial gain but to use the bio as a link to educational materials that are being provided free of charge.

We've read the wiki rules and feel many of the citations to work and appearances were really solid. Can you advise us on what we are doing wrong, and if possible more specifically, what we can do to get this bio on line.

Thank you for your consideration and best regards,

AMglobal (talk) 19:06, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Who is this "we" involved with this username? --Orange Mike | Talk 21:16, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Consensus at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David Lewis Anderson regarding notability was quite clear. Cirt (talk) 19:09, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Corbin Fisher

On December 10, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Corbin Fisher, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Materialscientist (talk) 02:21, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Dos Gringos Removed

Hey, it was quite disappointing when I visited my favorite band dos Gringos Wikipedia to see it had been removed in October, is there any way we can have it re-established? I had a tough time finding out why it was taken down, it appears you had trouble finding reliable sources of them being a band? I am providing some sites you could look into that would prove them as a band, they are not signed artists, just independent and they have a large following. Thanks in advance!

www.dosgringosrocks.com www.myspace.com/dosgringosrocks

Please bring it back!

10:28AM EST, Dec 10, 2009