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Hey! Was my [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard&diff=536483526&oldid=536481295 assumption] of your position correct? You initially said "one-way IBAN" but then in your response to Nathan Johnson said that either is cool, so... [[User:Elvenscout742|elvenscout742]] ([[User talk:Elvenscout742|talk]]) 08:44, 4 February 2013 (UTC) |
Hey! Was my [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard&diff=536483526&oldid=536481295 assumption] of your position correct? You initially said "one-way IBAN" but then in your response to Nathan Johnson said that either is cool, so... [[User:Elvenscout742|elvenscout742]] ([[User talk:Elvenscout742|talk]]) 08:44, 4 February 2013 (UTC) |
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Hi, Nyttend. I wanted to take a moment to thank you for your comments in the thread I started to ask for clarification from the community about the circumstances under which we should and shouldn't name individual members of a religious group who have been convicted of sexual abuse. I wholly agree with you that this is a sensitive subject, and thus wanted to be sure that we maintain a consistent, policy-based approach across all our articles that relate to such cases. |
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I think my personal inclination is probably at odds with the preponderent opinion of the Wikipedia community on this one, actually. I haven't really decided what I think we should do in such cases, re naming individuals: I want to take more time to think about that, and evaluate other's comments, your own included. But my first inclination is probably even more conservative than that of most other established editors, viz. I'm wondering whether we shouldn't explicitly name anyone who's not actually been convicted by a court or lost a civil lawsuit for damages, based on allegations of sexual abuse. |
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Even more than that, I'm not sure we should even name everyone who's been convicted. I need to think more about this, as I say, and it seems relevant to me to consider whether the person held or holds any position of trust in the affected community, too, along with many other considerations. But it has also occurred to me that if (first page?) results from the major search engines don't return hits for the perpetrator based on, say, the combination of their name, the name of their religious sect, and one or more of the words "convicted", "abuse", "sex", "molested", & etc. then maybe we shouldn't name them explicitly, either. If search engines don't prominently "out" a convicted child molester, in other words, then I'm not sure whether Wikipedia should do so, either. |
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Anyway, I do appreciate your thoughts on this issue. I also wanted to ask, though, whether you'd consider reverting [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sexual_abuse_scandal_in_the_Catholic_archdiocese_of_Cincinnati&diff=prev&oldid=535829816 this], from a few days ago. I don't like the opening sentence of the original article, either, since it's uncited, but it's also kind of a sticking point for me when I see a redirect created over an existing article to effectively delete it. I'm sure you didn't intend your edit as a way to bypass the AfD process, but I'd really be much more comfortable seeing it nominated for deletion, rather than just unilaterally overwritten with a redirect. That way other editors would have the chance to weigh in on the existence of the article, on whether it conforms to NPOV, and to help improve it, as well. I'd be grateful for the favor, if you feel you could approach the issue that way, instead of just going with the redirect. Best, <span style="text-shadow: 0.2em 0.2em 0.1em #DDDDDD">--[[User:Ohiostandard|OhioStandard]] ([[User_talk:Ohiostandard|talk]])</span> 23:08, 4 February 2013 (UTC) |
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Hello Nyttend: Thanks for all of your contributions to Wikipedia, and have a happy and enjoyable New Year! Cheers, Orlady (talk) 00:05, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
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re: Creating a page?
Hi. Thanks for the kind offer, but I don't think there's a snowball's chance I'd make it! Happy New Year. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 10:01, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
Wonder Woman/GA2
Hi Nyttend. I probably should have left a better edit summary or a hidden message. I cleared the deletion with the other contributor [1] if that helps. Given the blatent abuse (creating a sockpuppet to pass an article you nominated at GA) I thought deleting the whole thing would be best and left a comment at Wikipedia talk:Good article nominations#Wonder Woman GA2 saying as much. Is there another speedy criteria that applies or will it have to go through an WP:mfd? I have seen less abusive sockpuppet reviews deleted before using WP:Deny as a reason, so maybe there can be a case here. AIRcorn (talk) 14:05, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
- WonderBoy1998 (talk · contribs) and WeirdWoman123 (talk · contribs) are apparantly the same person [2]. It looks like s/he basically nominated the article as Wonderboy and then reviewed the artcile as WeirdWoman. Amadscientist was just trying to work out what was going on [3]. AIRcorn (talk) 14:23, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
CSD G6 for Arizona Proposition 102
I see that you removed the CSD because you couldn't find the move request on the talk page; however on the talk page of Talk:Arizona Proposition 102 (2008) it points to the meger discussion on Talk:Nebraska_Initiative_Measure_416#Move.3F because this is part of a multi-page move. Please take a look over there. Sorry the CSD wasn't more clear. Tiggerjay (talk) 17:26, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
- Moved; thanks for the help. Nyttend (talk) 17:36, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
- Thank you --- apparently I made the CSD reason more clear on the other page, and just didn't do it on this page. Happy new year! Tiggerjay (talk) 17:45, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
- Idly curious — what do you mean by "Redacted phone number"? Nyttend (talk) 17:46, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
- Where did you see that, I somewhat remember that. I believe it was someone who posted their own phone number directly on a talk page, and I was simply blanking it. Tiggerjay (talk) 17:55, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
- It was the edit summary for your 17:45 note here. Perhaps a copy/paste error? Nyttend (talk) 17:57, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
- AH I see that now, it must have been a auto-fill error. 03:27, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
- It was the edit summary for your 17:45 note here. Perhaps a copy/paste error? Nyttend (talk) 17:57, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
- Where did you see that, I somewhat remember that. I believe it was someone who posted their own phone number directly on a talk page, and I was simply blanking it. Tiggerjay (talk) 17:55, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
- Idly curious — what do you mean by "Redacted phone number"? Nyttend (talk) 17:46, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
- Thank you --- apparently I made the CSD reason more clear on the other page, and just didn't do it on this page. Happy new year! Tiggerjay (talk) 17:45, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
Christmas gift for you, as promised
Hi Nyttend, just to let you know I've filed a BRfA for the task you requested for SDPatrolBot. The request page is at Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/SDPatrolBot 5, feel free to add any further comments you have there (I've linked to the previous discussion on my talk page). - Kingpin13 (talk) 01:05, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
- Looks like Snotbot is handling this pretty well at the moment, just with a bit of a delay between the removal and replacement. If it suits you I will probably withdraw the BRfA, and re-open it if it's needed in the future. - Kingpin13 (talk) 17:26, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
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Thanks...
...for the heads-up. Not exactly unanticipated. We did something like this on a voluntary basis a little while back, and it worked reasonably well, but I recall that it led to an incident best described as "Nyah, nyah, nyah!! No matter what I do, you can't touch me!!"
Either he's an exemplar of humanity who has the unfortunate fate that nearly everyone he interacts at Wikipedia has a personality disorder, or...? (You choose.) --Orlady (talk) 18:59, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
A new sympathizers' club seems to be forming. --Orlady (talk) 01:06, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
Nice work documenting Orators Mound. Not every archaeological site is as obscure as BOC! --Orlady (talk) 16:25, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
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Layout for Historic Districts
Greetings from Charleston, South Carolina! Thanks for your message in response to my formatting problems. I've been fishing around for some input, but I haven't had anyone firmly stake out a position on this yet. My neighborhood (Hampton Park Terrace) is on the National Register with about 200 buildings in it. The actual article on the neighborhood itself is just about one screen long, and I feel like a comprehensive gallery of all of the buildings at the bottom of the page would overwhelm the actual article itself from a layout position.
So, I started fooling around with collapsible galleries. I like the idea myself, but I haven't seen anyone else use one. I've gotten some feedback that materials should be opened as a default. Others have questioned whether that will bog down older computers. Others (me included) don't know whether a closed gallery loads any faster than an open gallery.
I also have been sitting on the fence about tables vs. galleries. It seems that MOST collections of NR historic districts use tables, but I'm not keen on that. I just don't like the massive amounts of white space that result. The situation would even be worse for Hampton Park Terrace since the district was nominated purely for its dense collection of homogenous early 20th architecture. There are no individual house names, for example, and there is not much text about each one. Galleries cannot be sorted, of course, but the more I think about it, the less I feel like that is really a very useful funciton. I mean, you could sort by address and date, but I really don't see people doing that very much.
Lastly, I'm wrestling with organizing things street-by-street or comprehensively. I'm can go back and forth on this. I kind of like the street-by-street idea. Hampton Park Terrace is not SO big that a comprehensive gallery would be unuseable, but it would be a lot to take in. And, I know that there are other very large districts that a street-by-street (or style-by-style or decade-by-decade) organization would be helpful inbreaking up massive amounts of info. To the extent, I end up using tables, I don't think there is much reason to do this. But, since galleries cannot be sorted, street-by-street galleries would essentially mimic at least one (of the two?) variables that a person might want to sort by, that is, address.
Any thoughts on all of this?
I'm sort of playing around with this on my Sandbox, here User:ProfReader/sandbox.
- I like the tables that you linked to a lot. I think the Vinegar Hill layout looks the best for my purposes, but I'm going to tweak some of the widths a bit. The one thing that I have no idea about is the use of color in the tables. I think I'm going to add a column to designate buildings as either Contributing or Non-contributing. Right now, I have that information (for non-contributing) in the Notes column of the mock-up tables that I was playing with. But, by breaking it out, it eats up a little more of the white space on the table and improves the functionality of the sorting by style. Here's my problem: I've never used colors in the table before, and I'm not sure how to do that. I see on yours that there seem to be some hidden code for what "Contributing Color" and "Notable Color" and things like that mean. I don't see where those terms are defined anywhere on your entries, so I assume there must be some master list somewhere that the coding just picks up on. But, where? If there is a National Register Project standard color scheme to designate the Contributing/Non-contributing status, I'd like to use it, but I have no idea where to go to find that color scheme laid out. Any advice?ProfReader (talk) 14:51, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
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Linping
Hi, thanks for helping to move Linping Azylber (talk) 04:25, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
Refund/merge
Here's my point. Let's take a hypothetical. The AFD for article x is 99 "delete" vs. 1 "merge to y". Article is deleted. Editor then requests refund of x, which is granted. Editor merges content to "y". Now, because of licensing issues, he argues that we have to keep the history of "x" available. Editor has now successfully bypassed the AFD result without going to DRV. The only method of preventing that is to not refund material if the intent is to merge it.—Kww(talk) 14:37, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
Asia topic
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Why did you delete Category : South Korea Professional Football League?
Do you know current south korean professional football league status? K-League are splited and League name changed spelling. First division : K League Classic Second division : K League Anymore - is dont used... So new category is needed including K League Classic and K League So I created new category South Korea Professional Football League like Japan Professional Football League. Do you understand what I mean? You are foreigner and you don't know the south korean football status. Don't act without inspection. Do you Know I spent much time in order to created new category and moving contents yesterdya. But you spoiled my contributions. You restore it immediatly. Footwiks (talk)
Are you stupid guy? I explained reason on deletion tag. Is it difficult to undestand? In south Korea professional football, K-League name is don't used anymore. First division new name K League Classic and Second division new name K League.. - Hypeo is don't used. So new category is needed. I created Category South Korea Professinal Football League, like Category:Japan Professional Football League In Korean Wikipedia, New category is creatd. "대한민국 프로 축구 리그" This is same meaning "South Korea Professinal Football League"
Why don't delete Category:Japan Professional Football League? Why only attack Category:South Korea Professinal Football League?
Do you check up my contributions? I am korean and I am a big fan of korean football. Do you think that I vandal on wikepedia page about korean football. I am very busy person but I really love korean football so I contributed on korean football page in wikepedia. You are foreigner and you don't know south korean football status. Why interrupt contributions about korean football?
Think as if you were in my place. Can you write korea? Can you edit korean wikepedia and debate with koreans. Can you do cotributo to korean football on korean or english wikepida. You are native english speaker. But English is not my mother tongue. So I can't explain in detail and can't debate English speaker. But I have accurate information about south korean football than any foreingers. So..Please please beleive me. Category K-League is not needed anymore and have to change.
I am very busy person and editing is just hobby. I give up contribution because of you. Keep wrong Category K-League forever on wikepdia. Congratulaions! You win...... Footwiks (talk)
I give up I don't care...Keep wrong contensts forever....I am not wikepdiea employee...Editing is just hobby. I don't have time to debate foreingers. Can you debeate with korean people? You can't write korean at all.Footwiks (talk)
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I give up contribute about this category issue. I don't care...Keep wrong contensts forever....I am not wikepdiea employee...Editing is just hobby. I don't have time to debate foreingers. Can you debeate with korean people for just hobby editing. Footwiks (talk)Footwiks (talk)
Please keep in mind
An inflexible wikepidia controller like you, many users leave here. If category that I crated is wrong, some people chaged it in the near future. But you don't know south korean football at all and you deleted immediatley. beacaue policy policy policy...Becaue of controller like you, I made a dicision I'll leave wikepidia soon.Footwiks (talk)
Inter-language help needed
I had a look at your request. Both the main article it:Korean League Cup and the category it:Categoria:Korean League Cup share the same title, so by it.wp standards they seem OK. Anyway, I'm not into soccer, so I cannot judge if the title itself is actually OK. If you are still in doubt, you may want to contact the it.wp Soccer Project at it:Discussioni progetto:Sport/Calcio. Ciao, Ary29 (talk) 13:48, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
- another reply here ;) --Lucas (talk) 13:50, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
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German Colored Tail Owl
Hallo Nyttend,
you regretted to delete German Colored Tail Owl and redirected it to Königsberg Coloured Head Tumbler. The redirect results from a very bad translation. As you may see Owl pigeons and Tumbler pigeons are two totally different groups of pigeon breeds. The redirect is misleading. I am not able to find a better fitting one. The breed of the Old German Owl has varieties with colored tail feathers, but I have never heard of a German Colored Tail Owl (or a German: (Alt-)Deutsches farbenschwänziges Mövchen). Please delete the redirect. Best regards --PigeonIP (talk) 12:40, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
- Same goes for Konigsberg colored tail owl. There is no Konigsberg owl pigeon only tumbler pigeons. --PigeonIP (talk) 12:43, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
Re Reason for deletion of File:MVI 9133 (1.00.04.14).jpg
Hello , not sure if this is the correct way to comment on a talk page, but I wanted to reply to expand on the reason for deletion of File:MVI 9133 (1.00.04.14).jpg as you requested. OR was supposed to refer to 'orphaned' but yes it may well be that this meaning is not quite right. I thought there would be a simple 'delete' / undo upload button. I have simply uploaded this picture in error, whilst trying to look at the options available in the upload process, it uploaded without a clear 'confirm' button. My apologies to waste your time. Thank you very much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Londonrb (talk • contribs) 10:24, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
Saw your talk message - thanks v much for your help on that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Londonrb (talk • contribs) 15:10, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
Urho
Hi, thanks for helping to move Urho Azylber (talk) 17:13, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
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Category:LGBT Scientists
You denied the speedy of it here, saying that it is "Obviously not a repost, and the contents are different as well". How is it not a repost when it was discussed and deleted here? The description "This category lists scientists who are, or are known to have been, gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender." does not address any of the problems that caused it to be deleted, either. Nymf talk to me 18:43, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
- Cheers for the reply. I have to ask, how do you know that the contents are different now? While it is by all means a good faith creation, I believe the problems that was raised previously still exists. The criteria for inclusion is still only that you have to be a scientist and LGBT, and the majority seems to be just that. I will bring it to CFD instead. Nymf talk to me 20:00, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
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License tag
Either revert your edit at File:Camp 7, Guantanamo, via google -a.jpg or add a required license tag to this image. You have removed the deletion tag twice now without addressing its concern at all. Fair use rationale templates do not constitute as license tags, and your application of WP:BURO to copyright-related content is beyond misguided. — ξxplicit 00:55, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
- "Do not follow an overly strict interpretation of the letter of policy without consideration for the principles of policies". The purpose of copyright tags is to identify the copyright status of a file. Since pages only qualify for F4 speedy if they "lack the necessary licensing information to verify copyright status", and since "Administrators should check the upload summary, file information page, and the image itself for a source before deleting under this criterion", this image does not qualify under F4 and shouldn't be tagged as if it does, since an admin who follows the criterion's instructions will easily be able to verify copyright status. Nyttend (talk) 02:29, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
- I find it hilariously ironic that you cite a policy to refute another, especially with one like BURO. Clearly, the image use policy should be followed strictly as it deals with a serious matter like copyright and fair use laws. What exactly would be the point of non-free license tags if fair use rationale templates were enough? Honestly. That makes absolutely no sense. If you have no plans to revert yourself or to add a license tag, I will request more eyes on the matter over at WP:ANI. — ξxplicit 23:20, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
- The point of these templates is to make it easier for people and bots who work with these images: people who aren't familiar enough with them to understand the licensing situation and bots that don't know how to read. Would you give me equal complaints if I removed such a template from an image whose description page contained the text "cc-by-sa" without a template? Or what about an image that had a source statement in the metadata but not on the description page? Also, you may want to go to the US Code, which makes no such requirements; this use of this image is equally fair or not-fair regardless of the presence of a simple fair use template or rationale, and because we only use them because of internal policies, it's absurd to be bureaucratic about it. It would be appreciated if you decided not to press charges against me for removing an speedy deletion template on a page that doesn't qualify for it, or spend a few minutes figuring out which one is appropriate (time that I don't have; there are too many different nonfree templates for me to keep track of them), or even just wait a few days, and the image will be deleted at FFD. Nyttend (talk) 23:35, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
- The image currently violates WP:NFCC#10b, which requires a licence tag for non-free images. Free images might not need a licence tag (if the licence information still is available somewhere), but it's still better to have a tag. However, the image is currently up for deletion at WP:FFD, and it seems more sensible to let the discussion end there before trying to apply speedy deletion criteria. --Stefan2 (talk) 20:47, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
- You may have noticed that I already voted in the FFD, and all that I've done was removing a speedy deletion tag that didn't apply; I'm not arguing that it passes every point on a checklist. Nyttend (talk) 21:13, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
- The image currently violates WP:NFCC#10b, which requires a licence tag for non-free images. Free images might not need a licence tag (if the licence information still is available somewhere), but it's still better to have a tag. However, the image is currently up for deletion at WP:FFD, and it seems more sensible to let the discussion end there before trying to apply speedy deletion criteria. --Stefan2 (talk) 20:47, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
- The point of these templates is to make it easier for people and bots who work with these images: people who aren't familiar enough with them to understand the licensing situation and bots that don't know how to read. Would you give me equal complaints if I removed such a template from an image whose description page contained the text "cc-by-sa" without a template? Or what about an image that had a source statement in the metadata but not on the description page? Also, you may want to go to the US Code, which makes no such requirements; this use of this image is equally fair or not-fair regardless of the presence of a simple fair use template or rationale, and because we only use them because of internal policies, it's absurd to be bureaucratic about it. It would be appreciated if you decided not to press charges against me for removing an speedy deletion template on a page that doesn't qualify for it, or spend a few minutes figuring out which one is appropriate (time that I don't have; there are too many different nonfree templates for me to keep track of them), or even just wait a few days, and the image will be deleted at FFD. Nyttend (talk) 23:35, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
- I find it hilariously ironic that you cite a policy to refute another, especially with one like BURO. Clearly, the image use policy should be followed strictly as it deals with a serious matter like copyright and fair use laws. What exactly would be the point of non-free license tags if fair use rationale templates were enough? Honestly. That makes absolutely no sense. If you have no plans to revert yourself or to add a license tag, I will request more eyes on the matter over at WP:ANI. — ξxplicit 23:20, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
Help with User:Eduscapes
ttend, I need your help with User:Eduscapes. She is a college professor and a librarian, and has a history group interested in contributing to Wikipedia. Unfortunately she is in Utah, where we do NOT have a WP:GLAM satellite. Could you please contact her and get her on foot? —Ahnoneemoos (talk) 03:17, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
Thank you
For your post here...the conspiracy enthusiasts have been posting repeatedly at that page & at its Article Feedback since the article was created. Shearonink (talk) 19:17, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
Hi! With this edit, you restored the Category:Indian Hindus on the above page. Isn't there a rule for cited self-identification for such categories to be added on biography pages? Regards, Lovy Singhal (talk) 18:11, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
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I marked it as spam because of the external link. Looks like pure advertising to me. But it is fine with me if you don't think so. --I am One of Many (talk) 03:47, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
NRIS NRHP header
Hi Nyttend, I noticed this edit. Every header that used to have a reference in the old style list still has that in the new system, it was converted. That's why there is a NRISref field in there. What you know did is just broken. What I would suggest is to add a default if NRISref is not set. Multichill (talk) 07:21, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
- Reverted. Now I'm confused; see National Register of Historic Places listings in McCracken County, Kentucky, where I added <ref name=nris /> and get a big "Cite error" warning. Why is it doing that if the reference is still there; and more importantly, why do our lists only cite NPS for the recent listings link (This National Park Service list is complete...) if that reference is still there? Nyttend (talk) 13:00, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
- I hope to take a look at it later this week. Let's see if I can get this to work in a sandbox. Multichill (talk) 21:44, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
RfC/U
I was wondering what type of time frame RfC/Us have? Or is there a time frame and a closing schedule?John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:21, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
- Thankyou for your heldful response.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:02, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
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Look at "Z Densetsu: Owarinaki Kakumei" once more, please. I rewrote the section about transformation again, but nothing drastic. I hope the section is comprehensible, please check it. It's that there are several Kamen Riders, not one. I think one source (Asahi Shimbun) talks about one of the characters, and another source uses Kamen Rider as a personal name. --Moscow Connection (talk) 05:18, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
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Hi, I just wanted to remind you that a souce link being dead does not invalidate the source. The article about sugar cream pie is actually archived and I was able to find it at [4]. This includes that both houses of the legislature passed the resolution, and although a resolution is not the same as a law, that does not mean it should be ignored in the article. The same goes for the state beverage. Thanks, Reywas92Talk 18:28, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
- Why exactly was IHB writing to you? Here is another source that the pie resolution was jointly passed by both houses. Although it was not intended to become a full law - I would disagree with their characterization as being "later-dead" - I do not believe the article should exclude legislatively-recognized, though unofficial, symbols. I am having trouble finding detailed sources about water as ones from 2007 are no longer available, but it was a similar process. I do not wish to give "evidence that something is law" and can make it clearer in the article that these two are unofficial. Reywas92Talk 18:51, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
I did not realize that the sources I was using were wrong all along. I have replied to Aroseforme at User talk:Aroseformo. Thanks, Reywas92Talk 03:57, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
Diffs and links
I think that item 6 in your collection of "personal attacks" links will be difficult for Arbcom to parse, since the DRV discussion is now collapsed. I would try this diff instead: [5] --Orlady (talk) 19:39, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
I really think you incorrectly understood the cirteria for speedy deleting disambiguations. The criteria states that it can be deleted if it "disambiguates two or fewer extant Wikipedia pages and whose title ends in "(disambiguation)" (i.e., there is a primary topic)". There is a primary topic, which is I Love Rock 'n' Roll, and the page disambiguates two articles (I Love Rock 'n' Roll (album) and I Love Rock 'n' Roll (The Jesus and Mary Chain song)). It just happens to also link to the primary topic. It does not disambiguate the primary topic. It's clear from the wording in the criteria that the primary topic is different from the two or less disambiguated pages. Trinitresque (talk) 03:02, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
- Are you seriously suggesting that a page should be kept if it serves zero purpose now but if it might later? Creating a two-article disambiguation page would take what, like 20 seconds? Secondly, you're still not understanding that the disambiguation page is not disambiguating the primary topic! By definition the primary topic is the article that is not disambiguated. It just happens to link to it. Are you seriously suggesting that the primary topic is disambiguated? Trinitresque (talk) 03:24, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
- The page is orphaned. No article points to it. How does it serve a purpose? Trinitresque (talk) 03:54, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
- Did you look at the top of the page I Love Rock 'n' Roll? Trinitresque (talk) 04:01, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
- I'm sorry. I was sure that the disambiguation policy said that it's fine to have up to two disambiguated articles in a hatnote on a primary topic instead of a disambiguation page, but that turns out not to be the case. Trinitresque (talk) 04:30, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
- Did you look at the top of the page I Love Rock 'n' Roll? Trinitresque (talk) 04:01, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
- The page is orphaned. No article points to it. How does it serve a purpose? Trinitresque (talk) 03:54, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
CountryRadio
I actually may be, in fact. Currently I have a WP:COIN report out about KUPL regarding the user DU2010OR (talk · contribs), who admitted they freelance for that station and are trying to 'refute' my claim that they only edit articles involving the stations they freelance for. Same editing pattern involving social media links (compare WRXP to KUPL) suggesting possible socking, and of course they don't have any rollback or image naming permissions. Thank you for the heads-up. Nate • (chatter) 06:42, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
Deletion of Gavin Francis
Hi,
I got a note to say my page Gavin Francis had been deleted. The language around A7 is extremely unclear so I'm not sure what the issue is and how can I resolve it.
It's either saying he's not notable, or that the article hasn't explained in what way he's notable.
If it's the former, he's a twice published author who's spoken at several book festivals, and on national radio. and written for several national newspapers. He was the youngest ever base doctor assigned to the British Antarctic Survey. If that's not notable enough, I'm confused about what notable means :-)
If it's the latter, what specifically would be required to demonstrate notability beyond linking to the books and articles ? I could link to his literary agent bio page Jenny Brown Associates or his publisher bio page Random House ? Should I just add more links to all the stuff I mentioned above (book festivals, radio interviews etc) Any suggestions would be very welcome.
Thanks for your help Acf1271 (talk) 12:20, 24 January 2013 (UTC) (Alan Francis, not notable at all)
Thanks for your reply on my talk page. I realise this is perhaps fodder for a wider conversation, but I don't find your argument particularly convincing. Britannia had a physically limited space, and so by definition had to constrain what entries they provided. Wikipedia has no such concerns. The inclusion of one, or a hundred extra pages doesn't affect the presence or absence of existing pages at all. In short, no page needs to fight to be more notable than another. There are a lot of Wikipedia rules about the content of the page that are important, neutral POV being (imo) the most important, but why shouldn't Wikipedia have a page on anything that someone might want to search for an learn about ? As long as the content conforms to the high standards of WIkipedia, why restrict the pages it contains ? Acf1271 (talk) 10:44, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
Your message said "Basically, the idea is that writing books and travelling to lots of places doesn't make you important, and writing some in various periodicals doesn't either." is what I'm puzzled about. Wikipedia is pretty full of pages for people who write for newspapers and write books. I'd argue that these things do justify a page existing. You're now saying it's about the content, which is what I originally asked. In essence his accomplishments (or lack thereof) are not the problem, but how I have written the page. Thats fine. I'll have another try at writing the page. Thanks Acf1271 (talk) 16:57, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
The Pablove Foundation
I'm trying to create a page for the Pablove Foundation, but someone has already tried to do this and it was deleted. I did not create that page, I have reliable sources, I'm not affiliated with the group, and I'm not going to plagiarize. The note I received says the original page was deleted for "Unambiguous copyright infringement", and I have written my own submission. I do believe the Pablove Foundation is a notable organization. I think I've covered all my bases. Please let me know how to continue. Thank you! Desertpixxie (talk) 18:31, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
- This is what the notice says: Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/The Pablove Foundation. So I assume the article was The Pablove Foundation. It seems like there is a dead link to the original submission on the page of one of the founders, Jeff Castelaz. The only other info I have is that it seems to be from July 17, 2012. Any help? Desertpixxie (talk) 19:06, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
South Korean Football Category
Because you interrupted my editing. Category about South korean professional football is keep wrong. As I told you berfore, New category is needed, K-League category have to changed. In Korean wikipedia, new category is created. If I wrong, New category in korean wikipedia was deleted, But still exist and didn't appear person like you. You are not korean and also you are not definaltely interested in south korean football. So you don't mind that korean football contents are wrong or not. Just interested in wiki policy. What do you think of this situation? Footwiks (talk) 12:27, 25 January 2013 (UTC) I have a question. If I change category about K-League, Do you interrupted again? If you have a conscience, Solve this problem. Inbehalf of me, Go with a CFD or drop the issue. I don't have time and my english is poor. So I can't debate. I really don't understand you and angry with you. You are not in south korean football and absoultely don't have any background knowledge about South korean football. Why stalk South korean football articles? Be conscious and solve this issue.Footwiks (talk) 15:31, 25 January 2013 (UTC) Do that it by yourself. Why you leaves me with the difficult work to do? I explaind it why category have to changed. If you are not idiot. You can understand that. So Inbehalf of me, You debate and you change it. Because of you, Wrong contents exists On English wiki. Please have responsibility. If you don't know south korean football situation, Do investigate now. It's very easy to understand than wiki policy. Why do you only to do easy thing? Just place a tag. Not interested in the accurate or not at contents. If you are not intereted in content accruray about South korean football. Keep out of this, Although without debation, South korean people including me improve contents. Don' worry and I think you are busy person. You have to patroll in order to find content which violate policy. Mind your own business.Footwiks (talk) 01:24, 26 January 2013 (UTC) Haaaaa, Because of stubborn and irresponsible contoller like you. Wiki contents are disruptive now. Ok....Let's wait....Somebody who can debate comes up.Footwiks (talk) 01:52, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
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DragoLink08: ANI discussion regarding requested range blocks
Nyttend, may I suggest that we indef block all of the IP addresses listed in the discussion as an intermediate step, while we are waiting on one of our boffins to figure out the best way to determine the range of IP addresses that need to be blocked. We may discover by this intermediate step that we accomplish most, if not all, of our intended purpose. It may be the listed IP addresses represent a smaller subset and are the only "public" USF IP addresses to which our friend has access. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 17:49, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
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- So it was you! I'd wondered what was going on (back when it was happening, that is). Congrats, this is something with which to ward off obscurity! AutomaticStrikeout (T • C) 03:54, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
Hello Nyttend. Please see WP:RM/TR, where an IP has requested that this MfD be moved to an AfD. I saw your comment in the AfD so I figured you were already trying to bring this about. Feel free to do the move if you think that is correct. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 03:55, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
- I went ahead and did the move, since I figure it can't do too much damage. Also updated the day log with the new name. Unsure if more has to be done. EdJohnston (talk) 04:09, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
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As you don't appear to have been notified of this case, you should be informed that your interaction with Doncram is being scrutinised here and here. If the suggestion is that you have hounded Doncram, you may wish to say something defending yourself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.34.62.248 (talk) 16:45, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
User using tor nodes to edit
Hi Nyttend. The user trolling above with a tor node has just been blocked for three months by Materialscientist. Similar edits were made on the workshop talk page of the Doncram arbcom case and that ip has also been blocked as a similar tor node. The spelling above is British ("scrutinised"), so this is almost certainly a familiar community banned user. Contrary to what they have been writing, I do not believe that either you or Orlady have been hounding anybody. There was never any reason to look at your own interactions on Doncram stubs; in any case in the stubs involving Orlady where you also intervened, everything appeared completely normal and neutral. I do not agree with the negative evidence presented about you by other participants in the case. Mathsci (talk) 23:30, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
- As far as hounding or following are concerned, there are these bits of "evidence" presented by TDA about Orlady [6][7]. The point about trolling is just to sow confusion. I wanted to check the claims about hounding by looking at the Doncram stubs. There are almost 9,000 of them, so it's impossible to analyse them without some kind of script. On the other hand there are just over 1,000 intersections with Orlady, so it was possible to look at those, albeit slowly, manually discrading articles not started by Doncram. I hope this clears matters up for you. Cheers, Mathsci (talk) 00:28, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
HI, Nyttend. Would you consider putting IP protection on the above page for a week? Maybe if the IP can't edit when he comes back, he will lose interest. There seems to be a definite competence issue with him (User:12.197.247.250). Thanks. Gtwfan52 (talk) 23:34, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
Hi there, I took a look at the problems you mentioned and was able to fix or address them all. for #1 i clarified the title (bull. = bulletin, by the way), for #2, the animal resources and ecology library is the publisher of the book, a quick google search will turn up other references with the library cited as publisher. #5 i expanded to include the other page that contains the entry- there were some sections i used from both pages, and i removed page ranges on #8 and #1. let me know if there is anything else. Ryan shell (talk) 18:11, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
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Hey- I want to get the list of WV counties to FA list staus. I think its ready. Take a look [here] and tell me what you think. I will of course be seeking a few opinionsCoal town guy (talk) 23:19, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
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Unblock request
Based on this rather vague unblock request from an IP with 0 contributions, does it appear to be the target of your range block? If not I'll send him to acc, if so I'll suggest he sling his hook. Cheers, --Jezebel'sPonyobons mots 18:37, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
- I don't know much about the technical side of rangeblocks; I implemented this one because one was clearly needed, and others with more clue than I said that a 131.247.0.0/16 rangeblock was an appropriate size. Find someone who knows better what to do (if it's a non-admin, I'll follow his instructions), or I can do the finding if you prefer. Regardless, I'm happy for anyone to make changes or unblocks if appropriate; if you find an admin who knows what to do, please don't bother asking my permission or even letting me know. Finally, note that the message was placed by Tomfowlermd, at whose talk page I've left a message. Nyttend (talk) 18:56, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
- Oh I'm not questioning the range block, I was just wondering what type of articles were being edited by the target of the block so I could determine if this particular IP was involved. It all seems sorted now though. --Jezebel'sPonyobons mots 21:08, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
- It appears to be a completely unrelated topic. See the "DragoLink08 Returns; Request for range blocks" section of Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive783 for the issue in question. Nyttend (talk) 21:34, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
- Aha! Thanks for that, --Jezebel'sPonyobons mots 01:07, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
- It appears to be a completely unrelated topic. See the "DragoLink08 Returns; Request for range blocks" section of Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive783 for the issue in question. Nyttend (talk) 21:34, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
- Oh I'm not questioning the range block, I was just wondering what type of articles were being edited by the target of the block so I could determine if this particular IP was involved. It all seems sorted now though. --Jezebel'sPonyobons mots 21:08, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
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Re: my e-mail
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Male actors
As we now have Category:Male actors, would you like to do the honours and populate Category:Male kings and Category:Female queens too?♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 10:22, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
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Hey! Was my assumption of your position correct? You initially said "one-way IBAN" but then in your response to Nathan Johnson said that either is cool, so... elvenscout742 (talk) 08:44, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, and a request
Hi, Nyttend. I wanted to take a moment to thank you for your comments in the thread I started to ask for clarification from the community about the circumstances under which we should and shouldn't name individual members of a religious group who have been convicted of sexual abuse. I wholly agree with you that this is a sensitive subject, and thus wanted to be sure that we maintain a consistent, policy-based approach across all our articles that relate to such cases.
I think my personal inclination is probably at odds with the preponderent opinion of the Wikipedia community on this one, actually. I haven't really decided what I think we should do in such cases, re naming individuals: I want to take more time to think about that, and evaluate other's comments, your own included. But my first inclination is probably even more conservative than that of most other established editors, viz. I'm wondering whether we shouldn't explicitly name anyone who's not actually been convicted by a court or lost a civil lawsuit for damages, based on allegations of sexual abuse.
Even more than that, I'm not sure we should even name everyone who's been convicted. I need to think more about this, as I say, and it seems relevant to me to consider whether the person held or holds any position of trust in the affected community, too, along with many other considerations. But it has also occurred to me that if (first page?) results from the major search engines don't return hits for the perpetrator based on, say, the combination of their name, the name of their religious sect, and one or more of the words "convicted", "abuse", "sex", "molested", & etc. then maybe we shouldn't name them explicitly, either. If search engines don't prominently "out" a convicted child molester, in other words, then I'm not sure whether Wikipedia should do so, either.
Anyway, I do appreciate your thoughts on this issue. I also wanted to ask, though, whether you'd consider reverting this, from a few days ago. I don't like the opening sentence of the original article, either, since it's uncited, but it's also kind of a sticking point for me when I see a redirect created over an existing article to effectively delete it. I'm sure you didn't intend your edit as a way to bypass the AfD process, but I'd really be much more comfortable seeing it nominated for deletion, rather than just unilaterally overwritten with a redirect. That way other editors would have the chance to weigh in on the existence of the article, on whether it conforms to NPOV, and to help improve it, as well. I'd be grateful for the favor, if you feel you could approach the issue that way, instead of just going with the redirect. Best, --OhioStandard (talk) 23:08, 4 February 2013 (UTC)