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October 25

key

• http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N18HZJLG9jg

Hello, this song is exactly in F major ? 198.105.104.145 (talk) 14:21, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Please change my username to Lil Beat.

Hello Guys! I want to change my username to Lil Beat and please help me, change my username (LilBeatOfficial) to Lil Beat. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LilBeatOfficial (talk • contribs) 18:24, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi, this is not the proper forum for this request, please see Wikipedia:Username_policy#Changing_your_username for more information on how you can go about this. ^{Market St.⧏} _{⧐ Diamond Way} 18:43, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Does this album really exist?

I heard a while ago about an album which has several volumens called: Bono: The Complete Solo Projects. Is that true? Does it really exist? Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 19:04, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Indeed they do (all 5 volumes of it)! Seems to be bootlegs, not official issues.--TammyMoet (talk) 22:01, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

What song did George Clinton sing when he kidnapped Cleveland Brown's mother?

I heard the song several times while In college but never found out its title. The episode was "When a Man (or a Freight Train) Loves His Cookie" (episode 75) from season 4 of The Cleveland Show.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 19:24, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Campaign commercials and politics

Approaching the presidential primary elections in the United States, there may be political advertisements that seem to really humiliate the opponent, sometimes making fun of the opponent's name or deeds and providing partial information. I am just wondering if the opposing politician has the right to sue, if the advertisement becomes annoyingly too personal. 140.254.226.192 (talk) 20:55, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Well, they can try to sue, and they certainly have the right to. Read about what happened when her opponent ran an ad claiming Kay Hagan was an atheist. Hagan sued, and once she won the election she dropped the suit. In general, politicians seldom sue each other, possibly due to another old axiom: "Never sue... they might prove it." ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 23:20, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Not just the politicians it seems...one news network itself is suing over a campaign ad. interesting. [1]--Mark Miller (talk) 23:33, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

If you're a "public person" it is virtually (tho not impossible) to prove defamation (libel or slander). See Wikipedia's take on it at Defamation: "There are several ways a person must go about proving that libel has taken place. For example, in the United States, the person must prove that the statement was false, caused harm, and was made without adequate research into the truthfulness of the statement. These steps are for an ordinary citizen. For a celebrity or a public official, the person must prove the first three steps and that the statement was made with the intent to do harm or with reckless disregard for the truth,[12] which is usually specifically referred to as "proving malice". There are some very famous cases like Westmoreland v CBS (Mike Wallace in particular) and others that you can look up. If you are a "public figure" in the United States the first amendment pretty much protects 95%+ of "speech" against you as 'satire' or 'parody', just look at the late night shows including Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert, even Thomas Nast going back a century. If it is a political opponent they usually run the ads through a 3rd party as George HW Bush did for the Willie Horton attacks in 1988, not so much for fear of a lawsuit but more that he could deny being so harsh and cruel. President Andrew Jackson was so ticked at how he was portrayed that he said something to the effect that he could eventually forgive what they said about him but never what they said about his wife Rachel. ^{Market St.⧏} _{⧐ Diamond Way} 23:50, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Also anyone can sue anyone but it will cost thousands of dollars just to run the case yourself, and in the neighborhood of millions if you have a legal team and take anywhere from 6 months to 2-3 years just for the 5% chance that you can prove all 4 things with a 'preponderance of evidence'. So basically it's much much cheaper and stress free just to focus on running in the next election in 18 months then fight something you will probably not win and if you do win probably not be paid much of anything for it (since even after you prove you were defamed you have to prove what monetary damages it caused which for a public figure is much less than a million despite most multi-year cases costing more than a million if you have top flight legal counsel, dozens of depositions, etc.) ^{Market St.⧏} _{⧐ Diamond Way} 23:58, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

In the Hagan case, the firestorm over the foolish ad the Dole team ran only helped Hagan. Negative is one thing, below-the-belt is another. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 00:49, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

October 26

Animated album covers! (cartoons)

and I'm not talking about like moving ones, I was thinking like when the band member have been drawn on the covers. :P and not realistically... I saw this cover of one of the albums by Bis. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkX0hpfzGi4

and I was thinking! are there more like this? :) I just love that drawing style, not too releastic but not too weird, just in between, it looks more like characters from an old 90s cartoon, which is really cool! Where can I find cartoon album covers? like from the early 00s, and 90s. 80s were probably not were "cartoon like". so uh.. yeah. :D

please list ANY you can find with a cartoon-program feel in it! like, could have been characters on a cartoon on tv. xD

and like THIS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiPyMciRWQQ King Missile III ! something like from RuneScape, that cover is like something a kid playing RS would draw, it's amazing! and his voice reminds me of a RS player! I'm positive there are more covers like that.

thankss 31.209.159.215 (talk) 00:53, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

I think the phrase you're looking for is cartoons, rather than animations which are moving. A quick google for "cartoon LP covers" will turn up hundreds. --TammyMoet (talk) 11:46, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Can anyone identify this board game?

Hi, and thanks in advance for always being a port of call. I'm wondering what the game is called, and if possible the era of the kit. I have a small case & inside it is a set of playing cards, two pairs of dice, plus a cube counter with numbers on it in multiples of 2 x 4 x 8 to 64. There are a set of red and black chips, and some discs in red and white with two cups. Maybe I should have said first that the case opens into a playing board with ranks of alternate red and white long triangles opposite each other to the right and left stitched on a green felt. The case is old and doesn't have a playing grid on the outside, just a kind of woven self-pattern not quite argyle, in cream & burgundy like a tweed. The rest is dark brown or blackish pigskin leather. Anyone? Manytexts (talk) 09:49, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Sounds like Backgammon. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 09:51, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

That was fast! Thanks so much. When was this kind of set popular, do you know?

Definitely backgammon and the cards were probably just put in there to make some sort of game set so that if you didn't want to play backgammon, you could play cards or vice versa. Dismas|^(talk) 10:09, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

(ec) It sounds like you have a multi-game kit, which contains equipment for several games, one of which would be backgammon. (The board and the doubling cube are unique to this game.) The dice and cards can be used for other games as well. Typically, these game sets also included a checkerboard as well, though this may have been lost from your set.    → Michael J Ⓣ Ⓒ Ⓜ 10:14, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

• Example 1
• Example 2

Thanks all, your response is beyond the call and answers my query perfectly. Manytexts (talk) 11:07, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

In the UK, a "Combination-Game-Set" is called a games compendium. Alansplodge (talk) 21:08, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Ever the nerd of whatever I've discovered, I thank you Alansplodge for the icing on the cake. Manytexts (talk) 08:20, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

How I convert 12tet to to 7 tet?

12tet is X*(2^(N/12)), with X usually being 440.
To convert to 7tet I just do X*(2^(N/7)) ? 201.78.130.233 (talk) 13:24, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

See Equal temperament for the relevant article. Tevildo (talk) 19:42, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Does Teller speak in Atlas Shrugged Part II?

75.75.42.89 (talk) 15:12, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

According to our article (Raymond Teller), he has a "brief speaking part" in the movie. Tevildo (talk) 17:27, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Oh, my. I am not sure I want to watch that again to find out! μηδείς (talk) 18:42, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

That's why God invented the Fast Forward feature. :) ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 19:54, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

LOL, a God mention on a Objectivism topic! Excellent. BTW "watch that again" does make me curious how many times μηδείς has watched it. ^{Market St.⧏} _{⧐ Diamond Way} 22:18, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Just once. there was no way that was going to meet expectations without having been a 13-part miniseries done by the art director of Mad Men and starring Claire Danes as Dagny. And that they cast the 50 y/o comedian Diedrich Bader of Drew Carey fame as a 22 year-old genius graduate student in physics is enough for tarring and feathering. μηδείς (talk) 02:34, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

You should do reviews! Love the Mad Men art director mention! ^{Market St.⧏} _{⧐ Diamond Way} 05:43, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Either of Mad Men or of Gattaca. μηδείς (talk) 17:37, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

The Marin County Civic Center makes any movie look better :) 75.75.42.89 (talk) 21:09, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Marin County Civic Center μηδείς (talk) 21:12, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Looks like that's where they'll hold the premiere of the Fountainhead remake. Hopefully directed by Almodovar, instead of Alan Smithee. μηδείς (talk) 21:15, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

King Vidor? -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 00:25, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Really, another question about Franco? Really?

Is Mr. James Franco's worldwide popularity diminished in España because of an unfortunate coincidence with the late Generalissimo? Why else hasn't Mr. Franco (not the late general, the other one) "gotten together with" the Almodóvar hermanos? Is James tied up? Serious enquires only porfa. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.240.77.215 (talk) 19:37, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Have you searched Google to see 1) if (your premise is actually true; and (2) if so, why? Unless someone here just happens to know, you might get better info from searching Google and/or finding a fan forum. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 19:56, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Considering the fact that General Franco is still dead and there has been one or two generations of Spaniards who have grown up only reading about the dictator it is hard to imagine that the names being the same has had any influence on on ticket sales. At any rate I am not sure how one would judge box office results since James Franco has been in blockbusters like Spider-Man (2002 film) and independent films like Howl (film). Bugs may have the best advice and you might try fan forums like the ones that take place on IMDb. MarnetteD | Talk 20:27, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

This was about a decade ago so MarnetteD might be more right today but there was very much strong nostalgia to Franco in parts of Madrid by the patriarchs and matriarchs of the families. I likened it to how grandparents in the states tell the story of how they survived the Great Depression/Dust Bowl, maybe not held by the kids and grandkids but those in Madrid got weekly or daily doses of it as recently as the early 2000s. ^{Market St.⧏} _{⧐ Diamond Way} 20:58, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the post Marketdiamond. You have point about the older generation but it would still be hard to tie any of that to reaction to James Franco or any of the films he has appeared in. Another thought comes to mind - James is hardly the only person with the last name Franco. If this prejudice existed would not businessmen, restaurant owners, singers, authors and on and on ad nauseum have been affected by it? Is there any evidence of people with Franco as a last name changing them? It all seems very unlikely. MarnetteD | Talk 22:12, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Agreed. ^{Market St.⧏} _{⧐ Diamond Way} 22:21, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

The surname Franco is not that uncommon. The Spanish Wikipedia page for Franco list 11 notable Spaniard people with that surname not related with the dictator.--Pacostein (talk) 00:47, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

I am sure if there were an actor named Athulf Hissler with whom Pedro Almodovar wanted to work the name would not be an impediment. He's an artist. μηδείς (talk) 02:38, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

The Norwegian accordionist Frode Haltli has achieved notability despite his name being an anagram of Adolf Hitler. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 03:31, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

I am sure it goes without saying but...Generalissimo Franco, is still dead.--Mark Miller (talk) 04:38, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Not so sure, didn't I see him with Elvis & Howard Hughes at the Waffle House last weekend? ^{Market St.⧏} _{⧐ Diamond Way} 05:40, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

That would be the one founded by Judge Crater and the crew of the Marie Celeste. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 12:56, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Vinyl records

Are vinyl records still sold in shops or have they moved on the modern age? B-Machine (talk) 21:22, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

My local HMV store has a small vinyl section that seems to have appeared quite recently. This page seems to explain why this might be. - Karenjc (talk) 21:39, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Like other collectables vinyl records go in and out of vogue. In large cities there are usually stores that sell used ones. I seem to remember that sometime in the last decade that some company actually released a new album or two in the format but I could be wrong. Maybe others who watch this page will know. MarnetteD | Talk 22:17, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

I can beat vinyl records. I have what appears to be a Bakelite record of the Carter Family. StuRat (talk) 23:03, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Bakelite records were not uncommon in the 1950's (in the same sort of application as the Flexidisc of later decades), although they're not referred to in our article. An area for expansion, perhaps? Tevildo (talk) 18:23, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

There are still vinyl albums released of recent recordings by pop artists. The last one I personally knew about was The Division Bell by Pink Floyd. There have been many others though and our vinyl revival article goes into some detail about them. Dismas|^(talk) 04:11, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Any decent hipster will still tell you an album sounds better on vinyl and any even halfway hipster-ish band still releases vinyl records. For example you can buy Reflektor by The Arcade Fire on vinyl on their website. Adam Bishop (talk) 04:44, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Audiophiles will simply say that digital recordings are unable to capture the full range of sound reproduced by analog, vinyl records. It appears this is true and why many artist like to release works on vinyl.--Mark Miller (talk) 19:12, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

The Record Store Day article may be of some interest. While it is not dedicated specifically to vinyl, you can see from the lists of RSD-specific releases that quite a bit of vinyl is still being produced. --LarryMac | Talk 13:44, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

October 27

My dog has fleas

I feel like I've witnessed this phenomenon dozens of times, but my exposure to ukuleles is virtually non-existent, so I'm not sure what's going on with my memory cells. Never mind that.

People regularly tune their ukes using the mini-ditty "My dog has fleas". Each word corresponds to a different note, G-C-E-A. I've always assumed there was some popular song called "My Dog Has Fleas" that starts off this way. I woke up the other day thinking about this, and I went on a search to find this song that millions of people refer to but nobody in my experience has ever sung in its entirety. Ever. It's always just the first four notes and words.

I found this, which sort of half explains what it’s about. This discussion seems to confirm it. This song was written only in 2001. This video gives no information about the song the guy's singing. They're different songs, anyway.

This contains a quote from somewhere: "Dallin, the only way to correctly tune your ukelele is to remember my dog has fleas." But that seems to be circular, as it supposes there's an existing song/tune of that name that is used spark the tuner's memory. Whereas, the evidence I'm seeing is that it's just a mnemonic device, which some people have only very latterly used as the basis of a song. Not the other way around.

If I were sitting down to devise a mnemonic for tuning an instrument, I would surely use the letters of the notes (in this case G-C-E-A) as my starting point (Girls can eat apples?), and not some set of words that have no relationship whatsoever to the notes, sung to a tune that is not connected to any known composition.

Does anyone have any good info as to where these words came from? Who dreamt them up and when? How and why did it catch on (because, really, it just shouldn't work, imo)? What is the mental link between ukulele tuning and dogs having fleas? Is there any other mnemonic as weird as this one in its indirectness and opaqueness and apparent lack of utility? -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 02:11, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

* You have just been awarded the QUESTION OF THE MONTH award for the best question this month. I have always wondered what song that was from myself. μηδείς (talk) 02:27, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

• AHHHH. Let me take a look at this. I may have some info on it.--Mark Miller (talk) 04:43, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Free styling: May 25, 1944 My dog has fleas; by David Rose Copyright entry.[2] 1947 publication (republication?) of song by David Rose [3][4] May not be related, but 1906 "Nero, my dog, sneeze, fleas, Nero has fleas." [5] 1931 reference to Nero my dog has fleas.[6] 1926: "Another parodied "Nearer, My God, to Thee," thus: Nero, my dog, has fleas, Nero has fleas; Although I wash him clean, Nero, my dog, has fleas. And thus, to the tune of "Hallelujah, Thine the Glory: Hellilujah, I'm a hobo, Hellilujah, I'm a bum"[7]. 1908: "-been in an hour fer th' first s-spring s-swim'S-s good fer us k-kids—an' m-my dog had fl-fleas!"[8] -- Jreferee (talk) 05:10, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

"in music about 1912, ragtime overturned the waltz and two-step. Traditional songs were "ragged," and irreverence stalked the land. The lovely "Mother Machree" slipped to "Mother Machree looked like a chicken to me," and the sacred hymn, "Nearer My God to Thee" became "Nero, my dog, has fleas.""[9] In the 1920's or 30's, Alfalfa used the banjo to sing to his sweetheart Darla, "My Dog Has Fleas" in one of the Our Gang episodes.[10] Bernstein's Emmy Award-winning series of 1958 until 1971 children's concerts had one where he showed how Strauss' and Shostakovich transformed a common four-note sequence (A--D--F-sharp--B, or "My Dog Has Fleas") into grand musical statements.[11] Abblasen's last four notes for the trumpet, heard on CBS News Sunday Morning, are close to "My Dog Has Fleas."[12] -- Jreferee (talk) 05:41, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

In sum of the above, the phrase could have origins from 1908, became a parody in 1912, had some popularity in the 1920s or 1903s, became the title of a song in 1944, referenced to a four-note sequence in somewhere in 1958 to 1971. I'm not sure how it got connected to the Ukulele. -- Jreferee (talk) 05:50, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for all that research, Jreferee. The Tommy Dorsey/David Rose track does not seem to contain the 4-note motif, unfortunately. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 17:43, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

"My dog has fleas" tuning.

From our article Ukulele:

Ukuleles are commonly associated with music from Hawaii where the name roughly translates as "jumping flea,"[4] perhaps because of the movement of the player's fingers. Legend attributes it to the nickname of the Englishman Edward William Purvis, one of King Kalākaua's officers, because of his small size, fidgety manner, and playing expertise. According to Queen Liliʻuokalani, the last Hawaiian monarch, the name means “the gift that came here,” from the Hawaiian words uku (gift or reward) and lele (to come).

From a little research I have been doing on Hawaiian words lately- the origin of the instrument is based on another similar instrument from another country, the origin is not that distant. The name does literally translate in Hawaiian as "Jumping Flea". There is no song. The simple fact is that the notes mimic the arrangement intervals (transposed up a 4th) of the first four strings of a regular guitar when tuned. It is just a simple melody and the wording appears to have come from the Hawaiian word and simply expanded on with players who would mumble as they tuned. I am unable to locate the first known use of the wording, but it is not a song, just a melody that is easy to remember.--Mark Miller (talk) 07:21, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

But not a melody that has an independent existence outside of the context of ukelele tuning. That's the connection that my brain is looking for, but it seems it's destined to be frustrated. Thanks for your contribution, Mark. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 17:43, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Question about Jeopardy! TV Game Show

I have never understood this about the Jeopardy! TV game show. I am not a regular watcher; I just happen to catch the show on TV, here and there. So, I am not all that familiar with the game. But, at the very end, they have the final question (I think it's called "Final Jeopardy"). Each player bets a certain part of the amount of money that they currently have in their pot. Now, let's say that a contestant has $10,000. Sometimes, a contestant absolutely knows that he has the wrong answer to the "Final Jeopardy" question; in fact, sometimes a contestant will even leave the answer slate completely empty or marked with a series of question marks. Yet, still they bet a lot of money; let's say $9,000 or so, in the example that I gave where a player has $10,000 in the bank. So, what on earth would possess a person to bet any money at all, much less the great majority of their winnings, if they are absolutely certain that they have the incorrect answer? I have never understood this. Perhaps there is a game rule that says you must bet something? In which case, why not just bet $1 or such? Any explanations? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 02:47, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

You have to specify the amount before you see the final answer (you provide the question). Clarityfiend (talk) 03:00, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Oh? Before the "question" (really, the "answer") is even revealed, the person sets his wager? So, he is really going in blind, knowing only the overall "topic" / category of the Final Jeopardy? Is that it? Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 03:03, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

That's it exactly. Just after the topic reveal and before the commercial break, the host asks the contestants to place their wagers. They do so, and upon return from the break, only then do they see the clue. Mingmingla (talk) 03:35, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

And the logic of how much to bet can also be quite complex, involving not only whether you are confidant of the category, but also how much money you and the other two contestants have. Then it gets into game theory, as you need to figure out what the other contestants are likely to bet, in order to determine your optimal bet, but, of course, they are doing the same based on your probable bet. StuRat (talk) 05:22, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Twice recently the leader at the end of regular play has bet more than they needed to to beat the runner up. Getting the answer wrong, they found they lost to the third place contestant who did get the answer right, but who could not have beat the leader if they had bet more conservatively. μηδείς (talk) 18:06, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

The key for the leader going into the final round is to determine whether he/she has at least 1.5 times as much money as the second-place contestant. In that situation, the leader can bet so as to only lose if he/she is wrong and the second-place player is right. Clarityfiend (talk) 00:55, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes, and last I knew, betting 0 dollars is permitted. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 12:54, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

I am pretty sure I have seen that more than once.--Mark Miller (talk) 21:29, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Likewise, I just haven't seen Jeopardy recently. They do a good job with it, but I still miss the late Art Fleming ("the star of Jeopardy", as Don Pardo called him) and the cramped little TV studio with the game board made of cardboard and with guys standing behind it to pull up the numbers by hand and reveal the "answers". Anyway, if you've got more than double the points of the second-place player, you'd have to have a monstrous ego to bet anything. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 22:44, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

I also have great memories of that version. One of the joys of summer vacation was getting to watch the show every day. The money they played for then was so meager. A person can win more money clearing one category of Double Jeopardy today then they could win in a full episode (or two or three) then. When Ken Jennings was on his record breaking run he would amass 20 or 30 thousand dollars during the first two rounds and then would only wager a couple thousand on FJ. He probably could have won half again as much as he did. MarnetteD | Talk 23:13, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Forgot to mention that the method I had seen used over the years was - if you had more than twice as much as the next closest competitor you bet just enough so, if you got the question wrong, you would still have one dollar more then they did if they wagered all their money. For example A has $10.000, B has $3000 so A wagers $3999 so the final result would be A $6001 and B $6000. Of course the competitors who did this validate Bugs "monstrous ego" statement. MarnetteD | Talk 00:05, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

I think I've seen that happen more than once too. That's still playing it safe. If they bet in such a way that they risked their guaranteed win, that's when egos come into it. Especially if they forget to phrase it as a question. Many years ago I saw a guy lose a huge daily double that way. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 01:32, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Oops, I misread your earlier post. Taking yourself from a guaranteed win to a loss fits the description much better. In that case they should be made to walk through their various schools wearing a placard that says "I made a fool of myself on Jeopardy" or "My math skills are nonexistent" or some such. MarnetteD | Talk 01:43, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Somewhat related: Al Yankovic's song and video, "I Lost on Jeopardy". ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 10:07, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Question about Beauty Pageants

There are many beauty pageants that are international in scope: Miss Universe, Miss World, Miss Earth, etc. I assume there are dozens of contestants from dozens of nations; thus, there must be dozens of different languages represented. How exactly do these pageants handle this (i.e., the fact that there are so many contestants, many of whom speak/understand a different language)? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 04:00, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

I believe, in English-speaking nations, the contestants are required to speak some English. They often have to give a short speech, in English, after all. StuRat (talk) 05:19, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure about the rest, but the winner of Miss Universe is always from Earth. -- Jreferee (talk) 05:57, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Why has no-one protested about this outrageous planetism? {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.213.83.178 (talk) 12:32, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

I seem to recall a cartoon (The Simpson's or South Park ?) where the Miss Universe contest had a surprise entry of a gelatinous blob from another planet. StuRat (talk) 21:11, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

According to: "The Most Beautiful Girl in the World: Beauty Pageants and National Identity By Sarah Banet-Weiser (page 191)" English is the dominant language and other languages are only used when the contestant does not know English. At such times a translator is provided.--Mark Miller (talk) 06:08, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Rosebud...

This came up in a Facebook discussion lately. You all know the beginning of the film Citizen Kane, right? As Wikipedia puts it:

Charles Foster Kane, an enormously wealthy newspaper publisher, has been living alone in Florida in his vast palatial estate Xanadu for the last years of his life, with a "No trespassing" sign on the gate. He dies in a bed while holding a snow globe and utters "Rosebud ..."; the globe slips from his dying hand and smashes. Kane's death becomes sensational news around the world. Newsreel reporter Jerry Thompson tries to find out about Kane's private life and, in particular, to discover the meaning behind his last word.

Now the question that came up was, how in the heck did people (such as Jerry Thompson) know what Kane's last word was? The film clearly shows him dying all alone. Is this an error that went unnoticed in the film or can this somehow be explained? JIP | Talk 17:36, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

First, one would need to explain a lot of stuff in the Bible, such as Jesus being tempted by the Devil out in the wilderness where he spent 40 days, and how he prayed in the Garden of Gethsemane to "have this chalice taken from Me" and sweated blood. In the first case, there was nobody else around at all. In the second case, there were three apostles there but they were fast asleep. No witnesses to either event. But it's all there for us to read about if we wish. How can this be? Did Jesus relate the details to his followers? -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 18:53, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Fantsatic question. I will say this, the nurse could well have been within earshot...but, according to "Lessons for Dylan: On Life, Love, the Movies, and Me By Joel Siegel (page 283)" He states that Charlton Heston told him a story about him and Wells being stopped by a fan at a bar one night asking the same question and pointing out that the nurse does not enter the room until after Kane utters the words. According to Heston, Wells grabbed the man and told him "Never tell anyone what you told me here today". So, it would seem even Orson Wells himself couldn't answer that question. It would seem that, the opening scene was filmed in a style that Wells felt gave a certain feeling. He just may not have thought everything all the way through.--Mark Miller (talk) 18:56, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

When interviewed by Thompson, Raymond the Butler claimed that he heard Kane says "Rosebud" when he died. This was the second time that Raymond claimed that he heard Kane say "Rosebud" (the first was when Susan left him) As interpreted in an article on Filmsite.org, "in reality, no one would have heard Kane's last utterance" and thus [Raymond the butler]'s statement "is not completely reliable", and in fact "It has been speculated that everything in the film was the dying man's dream".[13] Zzyzx11 (talk) 19:02, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Of course, following up with Mark Miller's comment, there is also the widely circulated anecdote that when Wells was confronted by friends about this discrepancy, he reportedly stared for a long time before replying, "Don't you ever tell anyone of this".[14] Zzyzx11 (talk) 19:12, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

What a great way to guarantee millions of $ of free advertising. Brilliant. But then, it was OW we're talking about. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 23:07, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Maybe the reporter was tipped off by someone in the audience. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 22:40, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Indeed! a legend at 25 or so - question arising is what do you call something like this? An example is the novel Trinity which has the narrator narrating well after being blown up himself. Another is the clue to a TV drama is broken glass from spectacles which, in that time would have been plastic (of some kind) - but isn't the same as an out of place historic accident (like the red car in the background of a movie about Roman times) which the film editors decides to let stay. Anyone? Manytexts (talk) 08:29, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Star Wars Uncut

Is the film Star Wars Uncut available for download somewhere so I could watch it directly from my computer? JIP | Talk 19:41, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

The official site has it up for full viewing but no editor should attempt to link the film to Wikipedia (and I have removed the links from the article) as violating Wikipedia's policy on linking copyright infringments. Same thig as linking something from Youtbe that is not the proper copyright holder. Sorry, but you can still just easily Google the name to find it.--Mark Miller (talk) 23:56, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

What would the copyright issue be, in this case? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 12:52, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

I really don't know. It's not like the film is using any material from the official films. Everything has been done from scratch by unpaid volunteers. The claim that it violates copyright is similar to claiming I would have violated LucasFilm's copyright if I took a cellphone video of myself saying "May the force be with you" and made it available on the net. And anyway, my question wasn't even answered. I knew fully well I could view it on-line on the official site before I even wrote the question. I want to know how I can download it onto my own computer's hard drive so I can watch it directly from there without even needing an Internet connection. JIP | Talk 18:16, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

That's a question for the computer desk. μηδείς (talk) 19:29, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

It is on YouTube, so maybe your question is how to download movies from YouTube or rather then asking you could search the ref desk archives like this. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 20:22, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

The Star Wars name, script and characters are the copyright of Lucas Films LTD. and Twentieth Century Fox. The film makers of Star Wars Uncut, did not get permission and the film is a re-enactment and public performance that violates US copyright. For that reason we cannot link to it.--Mark Miller (talk) 21:20, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

However...here is the deal, many of these fan made films are actually being "allowed' by the studios in an informal manner...however, not with formal written or official acknowledged permission (probably a CYA issue). I seen a fan film that was linked from the official site of the studio. If an official Lucas Film or TCF website has this linked, it is ok to provide that on Wikipedia.--Mark Miller (talk) 21:24, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

It gets tricky. Satire is protected free speech, and it could be argued that these fan-films are satires. (In fact, it sounds like this one definitely is.) Titles can't be copyrighted, although if the movie's authors were trying to pass it off as the "real" Star Wars, they could face fraud charges. Since they offer it for free (unlike "Hardware Wars", for example) then they can't be said to be profiting off it. My guess is that they are not violating any copyrights - but it would take a copyright-expert lawyer to give a more informed opinion. This kind of thing can come down to politeness. Al Yankovic has always sought permission from the artist he was satirizing. He doesn't legally have to - but he respects the wishes of the artist. If they approve, he records it. If not, he might sing it in a concert but won't record it or at least won't offer it for public sale. In olden times, as you probably well know, they got around any potential legal troubles by using fake names that would remind you of the original. That was also for comic effect, of course. One of the more obvious ones was the fictitious telegraph company Western Onion, a recurring joke in the classic WB cartoons. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 22:36, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Oh yes Bugs, that is correct...somewhat. That is, that satire is a part of "Fair Use" case law (you will find that there is no actual specific law in regards to "Fair Use", but a series of decisions) as are other factors. The name "Star Wars" may actually be trademarked and not a copyright, but the main issue is recreating Star Wars in the form of unauthorized, remakes and wehether they are a copyright infringement. In this reference [15], Creative Commons founding board member (and copyright expert), Lawrence Lessig weighed in on the fan made films and the tools Lucas films released, allowing fans to "easily enable remixing of Star Wars content". He basically states that these tools amount to "Sharecropping" (his words not mine) as Lucas films still owns the rights to everything created with these tools.

At any rate the issue for us on Wikipedia is simply a matter of who we link to. If the official copyright holder Uploads this then we can link it on Wikipedia. A "Fair Use" video is non free content. Linking is a violation of our current copyright policies and guidelines.--Mark Miller (talk) 23:36, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

So the argument would be that either (1) the creators of the fan video own its copyright; or (2) Lucasfilm owns its copyright. But either way, I don't see how linking to that actual video constitutes a copyright violation. There's a lawyer here (or used to be here) named Wehwalt (talk · contribs). I don't recall what his specific area of the law is. But he might be able to explain this situation to us (or to me, as it appears I'm the one who doesn't understand.) ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 00:12, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

I've asked Wehwalt to comment. He's still active here. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 00:17, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

It's not my area of expertise (assuming I have any, that is). Wish I could help.--Wehwalt (talk) 00:42, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

So the Johnny Cochran-esque principle applies: "If in doubt / Leave it out." ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 01:30, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

What is this Japanese movie?

I am trying to find out the name of a movie I saw about two years ago. It is a Japanese film in which a girl (about 13 or 14) a poor country girl, commits suicide after being sexually harassed by her male classmates who are mostly from the city. The film centres on a grandmother of a boy who participated in the bullying. The boys involved and their male parents seem very callous about what happened to the girl, and try to arrange a payoff of the mother of the girl who committed suicide. Eventually the grandmother reveals the story to the police, after much soul searching, and he is arrested.--72.69.185.198 (talk) 22:51, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Is it perhaps the South Korean drama Poetry (film)?--Mark Miller (talk) 00:01, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Considering the whole of the plot summary and date on this, I am going to assume this is the film in question.--Mark Miller (talk) 21:09, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Film Ratings

In the US, the film ratings have no legal force whatsoever (I assume). So, what is the incentive for the theatre owner to abide by the restrictions? Wouldn't the theatre owner simply want to let anyone in to see any movie, so that his revenue and profits increase? What motivates them to adhere to the ratings and turn away paying customers? Is there some contractual agreement somewhere, between the theatre and some other party (the film distributor)? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 23:37, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

The Motion Picture Association of America film rating system (our article is need of help if you would like to contribute) or MPAA does not have any legal force behind it. you are correct. What keeps the theatres inline with this is the management of the individual theatres and the local community. At one time, movie theatres were simply owned by the Studios. They would be under public pressure to conform to ever changing ideas of morality. According to "The Film Experience: An Introduction By Timothy Corrigan, and Patricia White (page 49)", only films released by the major studio are required to comply to the ratings system, but that advertising and the ratings are closely tied. In other words...sponsors will generally keep the studios on their toes and the studios themselves will have to deal with the theatres that do not comply (after all...they still own the film and can pull it from any theatre at any time). --Mark Miller (talk) 00:20, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

(Some OR here.) Most theaters in the U.S. today are owned by large chains, such as AMC, Loews or Cinemark, among others. Typically their corporate policy mandates that the theater operators and staff follow the MPAA guidelines to the letter. Small independent theaters (especially those that have just one location) occasionally deviate from MPAA standards. At a theater where I worked, from time to time the manager — after previewing a film — would decide that the MPAA rating was inaccurate. For example, she might determine that a film rated R was actually not so bad, and would allow younger people in. Or a PG-13 film might be too intense for certain ages. Also, in a small town where the theater staff knows most of the young people who attend, individual judgments based on the individual can be made.    → Michael J Ⓣ Ⓒ Ⓜ 00:44, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Agreed with the above, just to add tho there is a strong motivation for the main companies and film studios to 'police themselves' so-to-speak, a combination of both market forces (avoidance of boycotts or loss of customers and key financial demographic of families) and local, state and even federal regulations and/or laws that would create massive amounts of costs and red tape for both the studios and theater companies short of out and out censorship (tho what has been accused of as censorship has been 'legalized' at certain points such as Film censorship in the United States, and in other 'art forms': Banned in Boston and Tipper Gore's campaign, headlines the studios/theaters don't wish for in the future). ^{Market St.⧏} _{⧐ Diamond Way} 10:58, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

October 28

Saw II: Don't Forget the Rules

I'm currently working on a piano sheet of this Saw theme:

I've got a problem with the key. I know that the original Hello Zepp is in D minor, but this here is odd. Am I right that the part at 0:46 is between D minor and D sharp minor and that the pitch is tuned differently. If yes, could you give me the exact frequency? Thank you!--2.246.38.61 (talk) 15:06, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

I don't believe this is a question for the entertainment desk. If anyone else would like to answer the question please feel free to do so, but the request appears to have been accompanied with a Youtube link to a copyright violation and the IP is requesting help to write sheet music from this score. I don't think this is appropriate for the Wikipedia Entertainment reference desk.--Mark Miller (talk) 21:16, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Music belongs to the category Entertainment otherwise why is the logo of this section a semiquaver? I can understand that Youtube links are not welcome, but creating sheet music from listening is not illegal. Besides, it's for own purposes. I'm not demanding much. I just want to know if I'm right with the pitch between D minor and D sharp minor, which is intentionally out of tune.--2.246.38.61 (talk) 22:00, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes, this is a music question, and as such, this is the proper place to ask questions that we can answer. However, since you linked a Youtube video, which is a clear violation of our copyright policy (Youtube can only be linked on Wikipedia when the actual copyright owner is the uploader) and the question is in regards to helping you analyze the notes to complete a score which also violates copyright....I don't think this is appropriate here. But I will let other's decide if they wish to answer the question.--Mark Miller (talk) 23:17, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

In your opinion, arrangements violate copyright? You should sue all those people with perfect pitch, MIDI creators and scorewriter programs, the major tools for young composers. Everyone learned composing by looking at other people's works. Musical ideas should be accessible to everyone. Too much music has be written, you cannot expect people to come up with something totally new. There will be always familiar elements unless you want to change the harmonic system, which is difficult because physics determines if a person perceives a combination of sounds as euphonious or not. Think of classical composers, they have influenced and inspired each other without any problems for centuries. And again, I'm just asking for the pitch. It's all about good ears, which involves no analysis. I won't present the score as my own work. This is what arrangers usually do. If I had simply asked what key the piece is in without giving any background information, there would have been no problems and I would have even got an answer. I'm sorry for putting a link, but the rest is ridiculous.--2.246.38.61 (talk) 01:36, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Illogic in literature & film

Re the Rosebud query above, am wondering what the term is for a story-line premise predicated on illogic that passes the author, the editor, the publisher & finally the public. Quoting my question: "An example is the novel Trinity which has the narrator narrating well after being blown up himself. Another is the clue to a TV drama is broken glass from spectacles which, in that time would have been plastic of some kind - but isn't the same as an out of place historic accident (like the red car in the background of a movie about Roman times) which the film editors decides to let stay." Anyone? Thanks, Manytexts (talk) 23:43, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

The TV Tropes website often has terms for tropes like these. I'm not sure if there is a term which covers both the examples you mention. TV Tropes calls the narration by a dead character "Posthumous Narration". An article from the wrong time period is usually called an anachronism, whichever order it is in. --Canley (talk) 00:09, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

"wondering what the term is for a story-line premise predicated on illogic that passes the author, the editor, the publisher " I believe the term you are looking for is continuity.--Mark Miller (talk) 00:13, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

More recently, the movie American Beauty had Kevin Spacey continuing to narrate after Chris Cooper had killed him. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 00:19, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

And I believe Desperate Housewives used the same technique. StuRat (talk) 15:10, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

There have been books written about continuity errors, including a series called Film Flubs, and there was an even heavier set of books called The Nitpicker's Guide to Star Trek. Those are standard continuity mistakes for the most part. One problem with Star Trek was that the original series had many different writers, each of which had their own take on it. Those are typically excused by fans if they're not too absurd, and often they're not even evident except from repeating viewings. But sometimes the plot holes or logical flaws are so obvious that even on a first viewing, an observer might say: "Why are they [or not] doing that?" Siskel & Ebert had their own special term for that kind of thing: "The idiot plot." ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 00:25, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Those Nitpicker Guides changed the way I watched all of the iterations of Star Trek. Nowadays they can use computers to remove things like that but that is just no fun. While it may not be the answer you are looking for you might want to take a look at our article Suspension of disbelief as it covers some of the ways that storytelling - in any medium - may have flaws in its logic. MarnetteD | Talk 05:28, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Maybe more to the point: I'm curious to know in what way the nitpicker guides changed the way you watched Star Trek. Did it interfere with the fun of it? Or did it merely give you more insight into how it's done and maybe enhance the fun of it? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 09:01, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

The way I like to put it is that any fictional work is an artificial reality. As such, there's always the possibility (and even the likelihood) of inconsistencies. Actual reality doesn't have that problem. There is only one reality. Witnesses may see the same event differently, but the reality is consistent within itself. Like with the "Immaculate Reception". You can watch it a hundred times, and it always happens the same way. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 08:48, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

I would add that those nitpicker's guides aren't necessarily intended to ridicule their subject. I think that what they actually demonstrate is affection for their subject. Many of those nitpicks come from repeated viewings. Why would anyone watch a film or TV show repeatedly if they didn't love it? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 08:55, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

I completely agree that the demonstrate and affection for the shows and the guides, for me, made them much more fun to watch. It is great to keep an eye peeled for things going on in the background and I have done that with all my TV watching ever since. It can be an error like the one I noticed in an episode of The Pallisers when, at a scene at the dinner table, Derek Jacobi's Lord Fawn says his own characters name rather than the character he is talking to. Or it can be a fun item that isn't an error like the fact that in a recent episode of Foyle's War, set in the late 40s or early 50s, there was a blue Police Box in the background. It is always fun to see a Police Box being a Police Box. Speaking of which in the footage that remains from the very first episode of The Avengers there is also Police Box to be seen at one point. The episode was broadcast on 7 Jan 1961 so not only was it a Police Box being a Police Box it was a Police Box that couldn't be anything else!! It would be 35 months until our perceptions of that form would change forever. Apologies for getting so far off topic but I want to reiterate that I only have positive things to say about the Nitpickers Guides. MarnetteD | Talk 14:27, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

If you want to see something that incorporates affection for both Star Trek and Monty Python, look on youtube for "star trek meets monty python". If you've not seen it before, you'll be filled with amazement and admiration. And a laugh or two. :) ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 15:05, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks heaps - my favourite is "idiot plot" maybe even think of it as idiot construct. & thanks for lots of good articles to read as well. Happy now, Manytexts (talk) 09:51, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

There's a plot hole article.  Card Zero  (talk) 15:13, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

There are several categories of such mistakes:

1) Anomalies they intentionally put in, just for fun.

2) Those they leave in accidentally.

3) Things they know about, and would like to fix, but it's just too difficult. For example, a period piece set outdoors might end up with an airplane flying overhead in some shots. Before digital editing, this was difficult to fix. You could refilm the scene, at great expense, but they might decide it's not worth it.

Some of the attempts to explain the anomalies can themselves be funny. For example, in the original Star Trek, Klingons lacked the forehead ridges from later Star Treks. In a time-travelling episode, they saw some old-style Klingons, and Worf was asked why they looked so different, to which he replied that there was some sort of genetic mutation that he didn't want to talk about. StuRat (talk) 15:21, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

You got me going again - the show I saw with the glass lenses instead of perspex lenses was a dark 90s or 2000s Australian drama (I forget the name) set in a university where a clue was a piece of glass from broken spectacles in the slag of a parking area. Bugged me ever since, so maybe that's a "plot hole" - maybe they were too tired to make it the wing of a pair of specs or whatever.

Glass lenses are still available for eyeglasses. Some people like them for their scratch resistance. Rmhermen (talk) 20:34, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

That would be "Trials and Tribble-ations", one of the best Star Trek: Deep Space Nine episodes. Clarityfiend (talk) 07:33, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

For sure. And a key element of "The Trouble with Tribbles" was the fact that the Klingon agent (Charlie Brill) looked human, and it took Bones' medical scanner to discover that he had Klingon physiology. In fact, Charlie Brill (taking a break from his role in Silk Stalkings) still looked human, albeit older, in Trials and Tribble-ations. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 10:05, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

The issue of the Klingon's changing appearance was retconned in the final season of Star Trek: Enterprise. In the story arc where the Klingons were attempting to improve their species through the continuation of Arik Soong's work, it allowed for an explanation of why the Klingons on The Original Series lacked brow ridges and were much more human looking than Klingons in any of the other series; they were mutants created by faulty genetic engineering. Astronaut (talk) 11:44, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

October 29

Doctor Who Halloween?

Were any of the original Doctor Who episodes such as State of Decay aired as "Halloween" episodes? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Medeis (talk • contribs) 01:59, 29 October 2013‎

First, as far as I know State of Decay was not a Halloween story. It aired from 22 Nov to 13 Dec 1980. Terrance Dicks had originally proposed a vampire story back in 1977, but it had been pulled just before production because of fears of a possible conflict with the BBC's Count Dracula starring Louis Jordan (coincidentally that production was aired on Halloween by my PBS station for a few years in the 1980's.) I have never read anything about the production team of the time trying to tie SoD to Halloween. @Redrose64: might have some info that I haven't seen though thus my ping for that editor. To the best of my knowledge no story from the Classic Series nor the new one has been written to tie directly into Halloween as an air date. Now there may have been a couple where the storyline took place at that time of year but I am drawing a blank on that at the moment. Also, there have been plenty that would fit into the horror genre - "Blink" can give a person nightmares. As to other holidays the Classic series had one episode that tied into Christmas. "The Feast of Steven" which was episode 7 of The Daleks' Master Plan aired on Christmas day 1965 and had the First Doctor wishing the viewing audience a Happy Christmas at the end of the episode. Of course, the new series has had a Christmas episode every year since 2006. Again this is all from memory so others may have info that I missed or have forgotten. MarnetteD | Talk 05:20, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

I've never seen anything in print that suggests that any of the original Doctor Who episodes were aired as "Halloween" episodes; in fact, until "The Christmas Invasion" (25 December 2005), the only seasonally-themed episode that I am aware of is "The Feast of Steven" (25 December 1965), as mentioned by MarnetteD. If you're hoping to watch this, don't get your hopes up, since this is the only episode from the original run which was wiped before it could be copied for overseas sale, so the chances of discovery in some far-off country are nil. You can still listen to it, as the soundtrack did get preserved (by a fan), and it is included with the soundtracks of the other eleven episodes of The Daleks' Master Plan and with that of "Mission to the Unknown" on a 5-disc CD set, ISBN 0-563-53500-8. --Redrose64 (talk) 07:56, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Mike & Molly TV show

So...why is this season called "The New Mike & Molly"?--Mark Miller (talk) 04:09, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Is it? I don't watch the show but a quick look at our article, the CBS web site, and IMDB seems to show just Mike & Molly wherever the title appears with just one exception, the CBS page for the show. And in that case, it looks like it's advertising the season premiere (thus new episodes of the same show) rather than saying the show as a whole is new. Dismas|^(talk) 04:30, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

When they advertise "The New..." it always makes me think they have reengineered something. It could well be just an attention grabber.--Mark Miller (talk) 04:33, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

It is that, but it has a more sinister aspect. Once upon a time, in a faraway kingdom inhabited by happy people, broadcasts of episodes of TV series were assumed to be new unless the viewers were specifically told it was a repeat. That's all changed; now, unless it's specifically emblazoned with "NEW", we should expect a repeat. The stations are getting two bites at the cherry here; (a) they get to inject even more hype than they could before, by making what used to be the default expectation something to write home about, and (b) they are relieved of the responsibility of explicitly letting us know if they're rerunning a previously broadcast program. In other words, the default position is a rerun, but not an acknowledged rerun. And you wonder why people get cynical sometimes. The latest utter stupidity is "fast tracked from the USA". It started with a tiny trickle, but it's quickly become a torrent; just about every new episode is now supposedly "fast tracked from the USA". Ludicrous. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 10:32, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Or the ever-popular "All new..." as if we might have expected a combination of new and old otherwise. "Fast tracked", eh? Does that mean it was delivered electronically, as opposed to being sent by cargo ship? (And never mind that there are hardly any railroads connecting Australia with other continents, be they express or local.) ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 11:22, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes. Hardly any at all. I can't help thinking of Kep Enderby, a former politician, who made a speech in Parliament one day back in the 1970s, including the immortal line: Traditionally, most of our imports come from overseas. (This story might be apocryphal, but if he didn't say it, he should have.) -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 12:07, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Apocryphal or not, it's mentioned in Events and issues that made the news in 1974. But I have searched Hansard for anything said by Kep Enderby between 1 January 1974 and 31 December 1974 which includes the word "imports" - and although there are 10 hits, none of them have the words "imports" and "overseas" in the same sentence. Perhaps it was a speech outside Parliament. --Redrose64 (talk) 15:30, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

The founder of a company I where I worked was quoted in the newspaper saying "We find we are more productive when we design a product before we start to produce it". (Of course, as a computer programmer, I was constantly asked to write programs before they developed the specs for them, and I always suspected that's where Microsoft's dancing paperclip came from.) StuRat (talk) 19:00, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

That's the most infuriating thing ever conceived by the mind of man. It took me too long to find out how to get rid of the damn thing, and only then did I discover I was supposed to have referred to it as "Clippy". Huh? What? -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 02:05, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Hence my thought that it looks like something programmers with no specs make as a gag, only to be amazed when management actually puts it in the final product. StuRat (talk) 02:19, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

You are not alone in asking this question, Mark Miller. On the CBS page a "Mark L" (is that you?) has asked the same question, and the discussions on the aforementioned IMDB page show several people asking about the promos; one person mentions that there is a new showrunner for season 4. The TV Guide answer guy addresses the question here, but not definitively. So, new showrunner, new vocation for Molly, and if I might hazard a guess, since M&M was not scheduled to hit the schedule this soon, perhaps a little emphasis from the marketing department that they are not showing reruns. --LarryMac | Talk 13:32, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

No...not me. I seem to either use my real name or Amadscientist on other sites. I think I am my real name on IMDB. But thanks. That answers a lot.--Mark Miller (talk) 19:01, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

October 30

Is there a faith-based film that also has a Halloween theme?

Hi, Christian Challenge hosts a faith-based film for our ministry group every Wednesday night, and we need to find a film that gives a Christian message, but with a Halloween theme, as tomorrow is the day before Halloween. I'm having trouble finding what I'm looking for. Do you have any ideas / suggestions? Thanks. --199.0.195.236 (talk) 00:35, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

I have never quite understood the moral of It's the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown, but it may be a story of faith. It's not something I'd suggest though if you are not already familiar with it. μηδείς (talk) 01:12, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Veggie Tales Halloween double-feature: [16]. StuRat (talk) 01:14, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Anything of Veggie Tales is certainly going to be religion-centered. The Great Pumpkin is basically a satire of religious faith, so although it's funny and entertaining, I don't recommend it for the "faith-based", as someone might suddenly get the point. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 02:01, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

And that would be a crying shame ;) Manytexts (talk) 03:01, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Tad confused. Is Christian Challenge a faith based group...or an editor on Wikipedia.......or both?--Mark Miller (talk) 03:04, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

If you Google "Christian challenge", it appears to be an organization, or maybe multiple organizations. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 03:28, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Point of order: The Great Pumpkin is a satire of Santa Claus. Schluz was overtly Christian in A Charlie Brown Christmas, he wasn't satirizing religion in The Great Pumpkin, he was satirizing the Santa Claus/Greed/Comercialization thing. --Jayron32 12:29, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Good point. And Linus himself is the most religious of the Peanuts kids. Though the Great Pumpkin still raises the question of a non-conventional belief system. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 16:25, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes, again, I can't recommend Great Pumpkin sight unseen, but I don't think it is at all a satire of religion. It's amazingly challenging for a cartoon. Certainly a provocative subject for an adult audience. μηδείς (talk) 04:40, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Charles Schultz didn't necessarily intend for Peanuts to be child-oriented. He got into adult-level themes a great deal, to the point where it was included on the cover of a Time issue tagged "Comment in the Comics". I think he saw his characters as adults disguised as children. He supposedly hated the title Peanuts which was imposed on it by the comic strip syndicate. He preferred the title "Little Folks". ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 21:00, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Not sure if there are really "Christian message" films tailor made for Halloween. A favorite of mine that has some very strong morality tales (thou shall not covet in the greed sense not the adultery sense, pride, gluttony, and the need for strength verses perceived 'evil' etc.) is the Disney Sleepy Hollow version. Youtube has it even, tho the film is less than an hour, it is very G rated and to me at least illustrates the best parts of what makes Halloween unique, spooky, the fall season coming, and you can never go wrong with the combination of Washington Irving and Bing Crosby. ^{Market St.⧏} _{⧐ Diamond Way} 03:13, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Scratching my head on this, I also remember a very excellent (and kind of spooky) film of Flatliners with some very heavy morality tales in it that would work for many Christian beliefs. I wouldn't recommend it for anything younger than teens or if there are families there with young children etc. ^{Market St.⧏} _{⧐ Diamond Way} 03:22, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

It maybe important to keep in mind that a number of Christian sects regard Halloween as a pagan holiday or even a devil-worshiping holiday, so by definition in such a case, a faith-based presentation on Halloween would have to be opposed to Halloween. Presumably the creators of Veggie Tales don't take that viewpoint. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 09:59, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

As Bugs suggests, you should perhaps be looking for something dealing with the Christian All Hallows' Eve[ning] (hence "Halloween") and the following All Saints Day, rather than the coincidental/usurped themes of Samhain to which I shall be devoting myself. {The Poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 212.95.237.92 (talk) 14:28, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

How about The Nightmare Before Christmas? It's good entertainment anyway.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 14:24, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Not for a church group. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 16:25, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

That's a great movie, and it's rated PG. Don't listen to Bugs about this. Shadowjams (talk) 04:36, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

I always thought Christian churches considered Halloween to be "of the devil", so I'm surprised to see a request for a "Halloween movie with a Christian message". Have mainstream Christian churches moved away from this position? Joefromrandb (talk) 09:00, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Is that a joke? Catholicism certainly doesn't preach against Halloween, and neither do any major established Protestant sects. It certainly doesn't involve the osculum infame. Your view of Christianity seems overly influenced by True Blood. μηδείς (talk) 04:46, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

I've seen gospel tracts preaching against the holiday, and years ago, I remember a co-worker lamenting how millions of parents indoctrinate their children to "Satan worship" by dressing them up on Halloween. I guess his church had more extreme views on the subject than most. Joefromrandb (talk) 14:09, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Don't most theology-based Halloween movies convey a religious message? You wouldn't say that Saving Private Ryan conveys a pro war message would you? How about The Exorcist? Shadowjams (talk) 04:34, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Some of the more extreme Christians do indeed claim that doing anything with Halloween consistutes devil worship. (Maybe this is all moot now, it being All Saints Day by now.) ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 20:55, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Rough patches on hands

I weight lift a bit with metal dumbbells. I have rough patches on my palms at the start of each finger now and have seen these on other people too (possibly compulsive masturbators (no offence meant, i suppose it's a hobby)). Anyone know if these marks are avoidable with better gloves? I have gel gloves, but they don't appear to prevent it completely. I know this is a health question, but i'm asking on the basis that it is hardly life threatening, inconvenient, or something i could sue over (Not that i would try). It's a safe bet there's a few wikipedians who know about this also, since it's fairly common. Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 14:32, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

These sound like Callus to me and are nothing to worry about. I've been lifting with bare hands for about 30 years now and mine haven't gotten any bigger. I think most people who lift wear gloves to minimise the impact of calluses but you can never prevent them completely. Look upon them as a badge of honor! --TrogWoolley (talk) 14:56, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Thank you very much TrogWoolley! If you have misdiagnosed me i will see you in court =P (That's a joke). Thanks again and have a nice afternoon ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 15:05, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

I had a similar problem with my lawnmower. It has a "dead man's switch" in the form of a bar that needs to be held against the handle to keep it running. Unfortunately, that bar kept pinching my hand in the same spot you mentioned. I found snowmobile gloves or thick leather gloves work best to prevent this. I look mighty odd wearing snowmobile gloves in August, though. StuRat (talk) 17:55, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

During the French Revolution and the English Civil War, aristocrats sometimes used to disguise themselves as ordinary working folk to avoid arrest. One look at the palms of their hands was enough to tell if they were honest workers or the pampered rich, simply by the callouses or the lack thereof. Perhaps they might have got away with it if they had been pumping iron ;-) Alansplodge (talk) 17:57, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

I bet the axeman was both callused and callous. StuRat (talk) 23:06, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Can't you keep it in place with an adjustable wrench or some string StuRat? Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 11:40, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Sure, but that would make it dangerous. I don't object to the concept of a dead man's switch, just to their particular implementation of it. The concept seems like a really good idea, to me. There are times when safety devices do seem to go overboard, though. One example is my top-load washing machine which refused to run with the top up. I quickly defeated that safety feature, as I don't do laundry while wearing a tie that could catch on the agitator. StuRat (talk) 21:06, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Please help resolve a dispute about a rule in American Football

A little help here would be appreciated, especially if someone can site the relevant NFL rule, but just general info is welcomed as well. Here's the scenario. Upon a kick off (but not a punt) the kicking team kicks the ball to the receiving team. The ball lands in the end zone, and then bounces back in to the field of play, say to the one yard line, and comes to a stop. No one from either team has touched the ball at this point. What is the potential now for this ball at the one yard line? Is it down? If not, what can either side potentially do upon recovery of the ball? Ditch ∝ 18:34, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

I'll check the rule book in a second to cite chapter and verse, but AFAIK, on kickoffs, all balls are live so long as a) they go over ten yards and b) they have not gone out-of-bounds. On kickoffs, the ball does not become dead unless it goes out-of-bounds or a player takes posession of it and is properly downed. So in your scenario, the ball is live until a player from either team picks it up. --Jayron32 18:45, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict)To the best of my knowledge a kickoff is considered a live ball until it is covered by one team or the other - with the exception of a ball that has gone less then 10 yards forward - see the onside kick rules. Thus, in your scenario if the kicking team covers the ball it is first and goal for their offense. If the receiving team covers the ball it is first and 10 at the one yard line for their offense. If this is incorrect I am sure that other editors will correct this. MarnetteD | Talk 18:49, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Just a little side question... if their offense recovered the ball, would it be first & goal, or can the offense move the ball forward for a touchdown? Astronaut (talk) 19:37, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

I should have added that I confined my answer to one player falling on the ball and getting touched by the opposite team so that the ball would be downed. Either team could also pick it up and advance it and there are all sorts of things that could happen including the kicking team scoring a touchdown. MarnetteD | Talk 20:39, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

From the NFL rule book, [17], Rule 7, Section 2 "Dead ball": a ball is dead

(i) when a loose ball comes to rest anywhere in the field of play, and no player attempts to recover it; the official covering the play should pause momentarily before signaling that the ball is dead. Any legal (or illegal) kick is awarded to the receivers, and any other ball is awarded to the team last in possession. When awarded to a team behind a goal line, the ball is placed on the one-yard line.

So the answer is that the ball is dead and belongs to the receiving team. Duoduoduo (talk) 21:57, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

The operative word in that rule is "and no player attempts to recover it". It would be very bizarre that both teams would let a ball bounce around unattended on a kick-off, as special teams players all know that both teams can recover the ball on such play. Here,s the rule from nfl.com: "A kickoff is illegal unless it travels 10 yards OR is touched by the receiving team. Once the ball is touched by the receiving team or has gone 10 yards, it is a free ball. Receivers may recover and advance. Kicking team may recover but NOT advance UNLESS receiver had possession and lost the ball." [18]. The fact that the ball bounced in the end zone and back on the field does not change anything: the receiving team can down the ball at the one-yard line, or attempt to advance it, or the kicking team can recover the ball at the one-yard line but not advance it. If indeed the unthinkable scenario occurs in which no one attempts anything at this point and the ball just sits there until the referee blows the whistle, then the section of the rule book quoted by Duoduoduo comes into play, and his interpretation is correct. --Xuxl (talk) 13:48, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

What is that part about the one-yard line? I thought a ball that went into the end zone was placed at the 20 yard line? RudolfRed (talk) 20:25, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

You're thinking of a touchback, where a kick bounces or flies through the end zone untouched. That's a fairly common occurrence. A fourth-down punt likewise is a touchback if it lands in the end zone untouched. That's because the kicking team on a fourth-down punt cannot recover the ball unless the receiving touches it first. If it settles within the goal lines untouched, or is downed by the kicking team, the officials spot it wherever it was downed. But a kickoff is different. It's a "free kick" - it's anybody's ball, and as long as it remains within the 120 yards of the field (including end zones), it's a "live" ball. If no one touches such a ball (like if all 22 players suddenly pass out from the heat), then the officials follow the rules book in spotting it. If the receiving team downs it in the end zone, it's a touchback and it comes out to the twenty. If the kicking team downs it in the end one, it's a touchdown and they get 6 points. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 21:24, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

key change

Hello, how can I change this song's key into D minor and put in Youtube ? 198.105.111.86 (talk) 22:31, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

The song is: "Raymond - no rain and no moon (TV series "The Purple Hairpin Romance" theme song Cantonese Version) Composer: Tang Chi Wai Words: Lindsay" Video removed as copyright violation. No evidence that the uploader is the copyright holder. Unfortunately we cannot assist you in uploading this to Youtube.--Mark Miller (talk) 23:47, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

How to upload a song in Youtube ? 198.105.111.86 (talk) 00:18, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

That question alone is best answered at the computer reference desk.--Mark Miller (talk) 00:21, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

This song (no rain and no moon) is in E-flat minor. I think E-flat minor is sadder than D minor. The E-flat minor can make someone cry. 198.105.111.86 (talk) 00:31, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

E-flat minor makes me feel like killing myself. OK, maybe a slight exaggeration. But what do you mean by changing the song's key? Wouldn't that mean transposing it, playing it yourself and recording that performance, then uploading the video? -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 06:48, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Leaving aside the copyright questions, Audacity is a free sound recording program that can change the key of an audio track without changing the tempo. --Nicknack009 (talk) 10:50, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Ah yes, I've heard there's this thing called "modern technology". I must read all about it when I download the internet and print it out for my weekend reading. Shouldn't be more than a few dozen pages, surely. No, on second thought, I'd better put 100 pages in the feeder to be on the safe side. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 14:09, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

I recommend using a small font. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 21:17, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

_{With no spacing inbetween...--Mark Miller (talk) 21:22, 31 October 2013 (UTC)}

October 31

UK children's book about winged people

This is possibly an obscure question in the extreme, so apologies ^^; In the late 1990s/early 2000s there was a series of books (the Oxford Reading Tree Treetops) being used in primary schools in the UK, and there was one in the higher stages of the system which was set in a world of winged humans, that treated the wings as being totally normal and from what I remember was a fairly nice slice-of-lifey story about a boy who's useless at flying but learns to get better at it. I can't for the life of me remember the title though, and in the absence of access to old books teaching children to read, does anyone else remember this and know where I could find it? 5.151.78.220 (talk) 00:39, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

I'm not from the UK and I've never heard of the series, but I did some digging. First, this site [19] has a lot of the fiction books form the series- amazon does too- here's the OUP page for them [20]. After an hour of looking through titles, tons of permutations on obvious google searches, and trying to dig up summaries, I couldn't find the book you were looking for- nothing seems to jump out as being that story, and summaries seem hard to locate en masse. At any rate, this [21], appears to have all of their publications, organized so you can track what you read, maybe one of the titles will "jump out" for you (it is broken down by stages, so that could be useful). Sorry I couldn't be of more help- if you remember anymore details, let me know, I'd be willing to give it another go (is it possible it is from another series?)- if you do find the title, please post it, it frustrates me to not be able to find something! Good luck:-)Phoenixia1177 (talk) 08:46, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

What Phoenxia said...although I only spent less than an hour on it.--Mark Miller (talk) 21:24, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Enotris Johnson (+ Little Richard)

Enotris Johnson is listed as one of the 3 creators of Long Tall Sally.

Questions:

• Is/Was this a real person?
  • Here "Around this time, popular disc jockey Honey Chile introduced Robert to a young girl named Enotris Johnson who had the notion of writing a song for Little Richard to record to raise money for an operation needed by her Aunt Mary."
  • Here (careful...) "A teenaged girl named Enotris Johnson walked from Appaloosa, Mississippi to New Orleans to find Little Richard and sell him an idea for a song, because her aunt was sick and they needed the money to put her in the hospital."
  • Here "Enotris Johnson and his wife, Ann Johnson, devout white Seventh Day Adventists, adopted and raised a total of a dozen children, both black and white. One of these was Richard Penniman, who took on the stage name of Little Richard in the '50s."
  • Here there is general doubt.

So - any additional information?

Does anybody have access to the Social Security Death index (if "16 years old" she must have been born around 1940)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Grey Geezer (talk • contribs) 12:00, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

How about the first name Enotris? Rare? Insider joke? Probable or unique ?

Thanks for any clues! GEEZER^{nil nisi bene} 07:34, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

The last story appears to be bunk. Little Richard's bio in Rolling Stone[22] says "He moved in with a white family, Ann and Johnny Johnson, who ran Macon's Tick Tock Club" after he was kicked out of his own family at 13. Clarityfiend (talk) 12:20, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Part of the "walk from Appaloosa" long tall tale is repeated in Rolling Stone (no mention of her poor sick auntie), this time in its article about the song itself.[23] Clarityfiend (talk) 12:33, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Seems to be a real name. This site [24] claims there are 4 Enotrises in the US, three in Texas and one in Mississippi. Just in case those peoople were named after a fictional Enotris Johnson, I can also offer Enotris Mercer, born 1904 in Mississippi.  Card Zero  (talk) 23:10, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

So, it is a female name, right? --Krächz (talk) 23:54, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

... and it is used mainly in the South.

 Card Zero  can you have another look in the SSDR? Is this 1904 Enotris - a potentially 50 year old woman in the mid fifties - the only Enotris there? Thanks GEEZER^{nil nisi bene} 06:38, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Of the sources listed, I'd be more likely to assume Allmusic.com is the most reliable - it usually gives fairly accurate information - but, in this case, apparently not. I've checked on Ancestry.com, and there is a record of Enotris J. Johnson living at Bogalusa, Louisiana. Unfortunately, the record gives no gender and is undated - it comes from "U.S. Public Records Index, Volume 2 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010. Original data: Voter Registration Lists, Public Record Filings, Historical Residential Records, and Other Household Database Listings". However the detail of Enotris Johnson living in Bogalusa is confirmed by a plausible if not definitive post here - again undated but pre-dating its re-posting in 2009:

"What happen to Enotris Johnson, the song writer that almost became a star? She loved the music industry very much and still does. She says that Little Richard was her brother back then. She married a preacher back in September 10, 1956; that ended all of her musical dreams because he was a man of God and he could not have his wife singing the blues. You can only think of what was expected of a housewife back in the 1950’s. Enotris now lives in Bogalusa, Louisiana. She is now 72 years old. She has one daughter, Wilma Dunn, [who] resides in Asheville, North Carolina, with her husband. Enotris is a warm loving mother and friend and still supports her husband. Every once in a while you can hear her wailing on that piano and singing in the middle of the night. You would just love to sit around her and hear her tell all the stories from back in the day when all of the old singers were at their humble beginnings. Enotris Johnson has lived a full and happy life with her husband and being the idea preacher’s wife."

Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:27, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Also, there is a reference here to the funeral of Money L. Johnson, 60, died October 3, 2000: "He is survived by two sisters, Mrs. Enotris Johnson, wife of Rev. W.J. Johnson... of Bogalusa; and one brother..". Rev. W.J. Johnson is associated with the Tree of Life Baptist Church in Bogalusa, details here. Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:37, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

This story is quite dubious. I know a woman named Ann Johnson took her in and Enotris' name was brought up as a child but I haven't seen actual confirmation of her. Unless Enotris was Ann Johnson's middle name? It's a bit weird. BrothaTimothy (talk · contribs) 14:46, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

@BrothaTimothy - when you say "took her in", do you mean took Richard in? It's interesting that the source I quoted says "Little Richard was her brother back then". Could she have been Ann Johnson's daughter (adopted?). Several sources refer to Enotris as Ann Johnson's husband, but I think that's an error - more reliable sources refer to him as John(ny) Johnson. (Or, could "Johnny Johnson" have been the name that Enotris Johnson was known by? - that is, were they one and the same person?) This source refers to Enotris as a "nonprofessional female lyricist", citing Charles White's 1985 bio The Life and Times of Little Richard - but, White may not be a very reliable source. Ghmyrtle (talk) 17:06, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

By the way, at BMI, Enotris Johnson is credited with 16 titles, including "Jenny, Jenny" as well as "Long Tall Sally". Ghmyrtle (talk) 17:32, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

French film on colonialism in French Polynesia

Are there any famous French films on colonialism in French Polynesia?--The Emperor's New Spy (talk) 14:40, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

I suggest asking this question at the French Wikipedia reference desk. The machine translated question would be: "Yat-il des célèbres films français sur le colonialisme en Polynésie française?". I believe the page is called "The Bistro" [25]. (You can use Google translate to read any answer.)--Mark Miller (talk) 23:48, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Bistro is more like our Village Pump. Their version of the Reference Desk is [the Oracle. (Also, they probably won't know any more about the subject that we would here, just because it's a lot less active. And maybe avoid using the machine translation :)) Adam Bishop (talk) 02:19, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Maybe...but if a machine is all you have...--Mark Miller (talk) 02:24, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

I found Category:Films set in French Polynesia although not many of them seem to be French. I'll have another try later, when I have more time. Alansplodge (talk) 08:47, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

This page may provide some leads. Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:06, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

(ec) I searched around as well, with little luck; there is an equivalent category in the French wikipedia to that mentioned by Alansplodge, but it's not any more helpful (Catégorie:Film_se_déroulant_en_Polynésie_française). This page [26] about films shot on location in French Polynesia only mentions one that fits the OP's criteria, Alain Corneau's Le Prince du Pacifique, a 2000 film that is set in 1918 but does not sound too realistic (the IMDB entry is here [27]). I'm surprised that there isn't more, but that's all I can find using various search terms in French. --Xuxl (talk) 09:11, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Reading Ghmyrtle's link above, I searched to see if "Le mariage de Loti" by Pierre Loti, a relatively well-known French novel set in 19th-century Tahiti, was ever turned into a movie, but I couldn't find anything. --Xuxl (talk) 09:15, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

The closest thing I can find is L'Ordre et la Morale, about the Ouvéa cave hostage taking in New Caledonia in 1988. That's not French Polynesia, but it is a French territory in the Pacific... Adam Bishop (talk) 09:37, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Even in English, the pickings appear to be slim. The only ones I can recall that aren't totally obscure are F. W. Murnau's Tabu (1931) and John Ford's The Hurricane (1937). Clarityfiend (talk) 12:11, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

You missed Donovan's Reef--TrogWoolley (talk) 12:54, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

And The Devil at 4 O'Clock. (Which apparently has nothing to do with Le diable à quatre. Supposedly.) -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 18:56, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

November 1

Introduction of more than one narrative in TV shows

The article Tjhit Liap Seng on the 1886 Perakan novel, it mentions among the author's Indies literature innovations, a double narrative. This set me wondering if anyone can tell me when TV series such as black-and-white detective shows changed to a two or more narrative device - suspect it has something to do with longer running times because the early ones were half-hour shows. Thanks in advance Manytexts (talk) 00:27, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Our article on Subplot suggest that Shakespeare did it in Henry IV, Part 2, so I'm not so sure it was really that innovative in 1886. As for the running time, modern shows often do it with a 22 minute run time, so there isn't really any reason why that could have been an issue. I can't tell you any older show with b-plots, though. Hopefully someone will have some examples soon. Mingmingla (talk) 00:43, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

It depends on how it's defined. Recurring characters, story arcs and that sort of thing have been around for a long time. They get a bit more complicated nowadays. The typical Person of Interest episode has at least two plots going on, sometimes three. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 11:27, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Another factor is the size of the cast. The more players, the more flexibility. In the typical MASH episode, there was a tendency toward multiple plot lines involving different small groups of characters. That takes us back to the early to mid 70s, at least. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 12:28, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

And I would think that soap operas have been that way for a very long time. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 12:30, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Another current series that has a multitude of narratives is Game of Thrones. The same applies to the books that the show is adapted from. MarnetteD | Talk 19:18, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

The more you think about it, the farther back it goes. Remember the hackneyed expression in westerns, "Meanwhile, back at the ranch..."? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 20:52, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Can someone help with interpreting Lady Gaga's song, Judas?

I know the song is sung in the point of view of Mary Magdalene, the female disciple of Jesus. What I don't get is the chorus. What is that supposed to mean, or is that just to reiterate "Jesus is my virtue / Judas is the demon I cling to / I cling to" lines? It's a pop song, so there are a lot of slang terms that I am not familiar with. And how many of Lady Gaga's songs are related to or allude to Christianity? 140.254.227.58 (talk) 12:21, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

As you say it's a pop song, so I shouldn't read too much into it. You might start with reading the Holy Fool page though, where it says "Fools for Christ often employ shocking, unconventional behaviour to challenge accepted norms, deliver prophecies or to mask their piety" in the introductory paragraph. From my limited knowledge of the lady in question's output I'd imagine that that's a concept she could relate to. Blakk and ekka 12:34, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

That really sounds like Lady Gaga, notorious of her wild imagination and provocative outfits. 140.254.227.58 (talk) 12:41, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Shawshank

Was the movie The Shawshank Redemption based in part on The Count of Monte Cristo? I see quite a number of plot similarities, but I don't know if this was due to actual borrowing of plot elements, or merely to thinking alike. 24.23.196.85 (talk) 23:00, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Oops, it says in the article that it was actually based on a Stephen King novel. So my question should have been, was Stephen King inspired by The Count of Monte Cristo when he wrote that novel? 24.23.196.85 (talk) 23:03, 1 November 2013 (UTC)