User talk:Ritchie333

Keeping an eye on stuff. Meanwhile, here is some music.

"that's just a bad cut and paste job"

I don't understand what "that's just a bad cut and paste job" is supposed to mean. I was just following MOS:ELLIPSIS—there's no "cut and paste" involved. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 22:33, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

The "bad cut and paste job" referred to the original quotation, so I re-did the edit, cutting down some superfluous chaff. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:55, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

...leaving the essential chaff, of course. EEng 15:59, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

You seem well connected...

Have anyone you can call on who is culturally competent to evaluate Arab/Persian ethnicity issues? GMG^talk 23:49, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Not off the top of my head; it’s not an area I get involved in. Sorry. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 23:52, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Who is the Indian fellow you pinged a while back. Maybe they know someone? GMG^talk 23:56, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Vanamonde93? Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 23:59, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

I guess I'm late to this party...I'm still on kinda-sorta-break. Ancient Persia is outside my area of expertise, I'm afraid. South Asia and Latin America, and mostly since 1900, is where I can claim above-average knowledge of source material. Cheers, Vanamonde (talk) 15:44, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Yes! I... Don't really have another option that i can tell. This will probably be at ANI in under 60 seconds if there's not someone who can step in competently, and that ain't me. It spans multiple articles. GMG^talk 00:05, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

@GreenMeansGo: What is the question? Is it just a matter of knowing or of intervening? If it is basically an academic question I can ask my father who is a retired Doctor of Anthropology and is familiar with those cultures if not the era of the linked article. Jbh ^Talk 00:12, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

I'm only mildly involved, so take my assessment with a grain of salt, but one editor seems to be fixated on the Arab ethnicity of certain historical figures. They only have a couple hundred edits, and so they really haven't gotten the hang of things yet, but they're liable to end up blocked if someone can't explain things in a way that makes sense to them. GMG^talk 00:20, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

I will give the article talk page and see I can pick it apart enough to ask him for argument or source he may know of. If it is just a random ethnicity warrior I don't think he will be of much use. Jbh ^Talk 00:27, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

At least here they seemed to be amenable to generic WP advice, but I can't give much more than that. GMG^talk 00:33, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

OK. I will give it a look. My dad could only give some generic insights — Muzaffarid is derived from Persian roots (He thinks it sounds like it is linked to/claiming links to the Saffarids based on slight knowledge of Persian and of no matter here.) but otherwise it is too far outside his area of expertise. I am not sure what is up on that editor's talk page. It seems to be about different articles entirely. From that I would say they are probably an ethnic POV pusher who will run afoul the banhammer sooner or later. Sorry I could not offer better help. Jbh ^Talk 01:08, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

Just one thing: Muzaffar is Arabic term that means victorious[1] and "id" is an English suffix. Did your father actually say this?

Nabataeus (talk) 01:28, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

Has it occurred to anyone that perhaps there is no need to call Mobārez-al-Din Moḥammad either Arab or Persian and instead we could simply say where he's from (Khorasan)? Similar to how the Iranica does it? Mduvekot (talk) 01:53, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict)He thought it might have been derived as 'Muz (from)-Saffar' (as in the Saffarid Dynasty) but, as I said, it was an off-the-cuff comment based on half-remembered Persian not expertise on the subject.

From my own brief research the clearest statement on Mubariz al-Din Muhammad's family's origin says they came from Khwaf in Khorasan (Beatrice Forbes Manz. Power, Politics and Religion in Timurid Iran. p. 96. Al-Muzaffar, who founded the Muzaffarid dynasty of Fars (1336–93), traced his ancestry back to Khwaf. While the ancestors of the Muzaffarids had left Khwaf at the Mongol invasion…) and most of the sources cite Khorasan as well, which certainly would not lead me to make a presumption of Arab ethnicity. The Empire of the Steppes calls the dynasty "Arabo-Iranian", it does not really address origin or ethnicity it just throws the term out in an unexplained parenthetical, which is far from sufficient to call him Arab.

Anyway, if you want to discuss this in more detail we should do so at the article talk page. Jbh ^Talk 02:07, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

• He thought it might have been derived as 'Muz (from)-Saffar' (as in the Saffarid Dynasty) but, as I said, it was an off-the-cuff comment based on half-remembered Persian not expertise on the subject.

I see.

• From my own brief research the clearest statement on Mubariz al-Din Muhammad's family's origin says they came from Khwaf in Khorasan (Beatrice Forbes Manz. Power, Politics and Religion in Timurid Iran. p. 96. Al-Muzaffar, who founded the Muzaffarid dynasty of Fars (133693), traced his ancestry back to Khwaf. While the ancestors of the Muzaffarids had left Khwaf at the Mongol invasion) and most of the sources cite Khorasan as well, which certainly would not lead me to make a presumption of Arab ethnicity.

Actually, our dispute is not over the Muzaffarids article, and being from Khurasan doesn't exclude you from being Arab. "The Cambridge History of Iran" state: The Muzaffarids originated in an Arab family in Khurasan[2]

• The Empire of the Steppes calls the dynasty "Arabo-Iranian", it does not really address origin or ethnicity it just throws the term out in an unexplained parenthetical, which is far from sufficient to call him Arab.

Yes, thanks for bringing that out. Our dispute revolve around Mubariz al-Din Muhammad, for further input see[3] where I illustrated the problem. User Farawahar imply something that wasn't stated by the author, which in itself is pure OR.

As for your source "The Empire of the Steppes", it state the following on the Muzaffarids: Its founder, the Arab Mubariz ad-Din Muhammad who was already in power at Yezd and in Kerman.[4]

I genuinely didn't want to escalate the matter with Farawahar, I asked him in Mubariz talk page his own page to provide sources that state what he inserted and to leave his OR out of the article.

Nabataeus (talk) 03:06, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

See my comments on the article talk page [5].

Please see this brief tutorial on editing talk pages for how to properly indent talk page discussions. Also, please do not place your signature on a separate line. It makes reading threaded comments more difficult. Thank you. Jbh ^Talk 03:13, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

Oh, sorry. Pardon me. I saw it. Thanks for your contribution. But I didn't exactly know what is your take on the matter. Nabataeus (talk) 03:22, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

My initial take was that it was unlikely that he was Arab. (I still think it is quite likely he was not because claiming Arab ancestry was a matter of status and settled during the conquest was probably a lot like came over on the Mayflower is for Americans — but that is simply unsupportable opinion and general cynicism regarding founding stories/genealogies.) The sources, however, are strong is their support for him being from an Arab family which 'in the days of old' had settled in Khorasan so I boldly edited the article to reflect that.

On the article talk page I pointed out a contemporary source which, if someone can find it and can read it, should be definitive. All the other sources probably trace back to it. A point of caution is that the one source that cites this source does not refer to his family as Arab. While it would be an interesting academic pursuit to to figure out the citation chains for each source and see how independent of one another they really are, that is something for a professor to torment an undergrad with and not something we do on Wikipedia. Cheers. Jbh ^Talk 05:00, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

But...

My, how attitudes do change! Prince of Thieves (talk) 22:00, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

Have you tasted watermelon water? It's terrible. CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 20:45, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

No, we don't get sophisticated stuff like that over this side of the pond. We just drink tea and beer. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:48, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

You're lucky. But what about the vino... CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 20:56, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

There was a nice poster I saw in a pub once which had a promo shot of Audrey Hepburn in Breakfast at Tiffany's (or at least somebody dressed up to look like her) holding a glass of wine with the caption, "Wine: The sophisticated way to get hammered" Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:12, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

I...need this. I support this. If I ever run for President (of Wine), that's my slogan. CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 14:07, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Hmm...

UK... Rest of the world... I'll bet they're from Canada. GMG^talk 10:36, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

I was trying to make a joke about Corbyn practicing WP:AGF is not a suicide pact, but it's not really happening. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 10:38, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Isn't that a homicide pact? GMG^talk 10:42, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

The "suicide" in this case is committing social suicide in the House of Commons and getting rebuked by his own party. Not a good place to be. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 10:44, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Well see, he's doing it wrong. You have to fire a senior cabinet level official on the same day you publicly defend hostile foreign actions on the floor of your legislature. That way no one notices. Amateurs. GMG^talk 10:56, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Trumps most favoritest doors, hirees come in on the right, and leave on the left.

Possibly, but Trump has fired so many people (does he think he's still doing The Apprentice?) that it's no longer news. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:32, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

I'm surprised they haven't replaced the front entrance of the Summer Mar-a-Lago with revolving doors. Primefac (talk) 12:12, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

No need, He only plays golf at Mar-a-Lago, he fires people at Trump Tower. -- Prince of Thieves (talk) 16:08, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

User:Govvy/Manchester United Europe

What's wrong with a redirect? I already told the other admins who aren't listening, I've made an article to do in that space. Govvy (talk) 16:10, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

@Govvy: Oh right, you want to move that userpage over the existing redirect, in which case that'll flag up a g6 tag. Got it and fixed. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 16:13, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

lol, btw, the youtube video of the game shows the Atari Lynx credits, can't that be used? Govvy (talk) 16:15, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Unless you are absolutely 100% sure that the YouTube video is definitely owned by the copyright holder, I'd avoid it. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 16:20, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Well, the Atari Lynx version I would assume still holds it's copyright under Telegames 1993 as they are still in operation. Would that mean I can't use that video? Govvy (talk) 16:32, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

I don't recognise the uploader's ID : "Zonelynx Atari". Best rule of linking to potential copyvios is - if in doubt, don't. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:10, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

RfA

Hi Ritchie, this guy nommed himself for adminship. I think it's going to be a quick SNOW. Anyway, I don't think he did all the required steps--his RFA doesn't appear at WP:RFA, I don't think it's been announced via MediaWiki:Watchlist-messages, etc. This isn't my area of expertise, so I thought I'd ask for your help to look into what needs to be done, since you have experience with RFA noms. Thanks mate, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:01, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

He forgot to transclude it onto WP:RFA, which is the action that sets off all the other gadgets. I've done so, with a reminder to assume good faith. He is extended-confirmed, has been around a few years, and appears to have a genuine reason to want the tools - except doesn't the page-mover right do what he wants? Well if it does, somebody will tell him that. He won't pass, but hopefully he'll get constructive feedback - this isn't a "I've been on WP for ten minutes and I wanna be an admin RIGHT NOW!!!111one1" Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:05, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

I have told him about the pagemover permission page, just in case this was an error. Prince of Thieves (talk) 17:51, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

I knew it! No problem, will continue my good work here. 🙏 Harsh Rathod 18:28, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

WP:RFAADVICE is essential reading. If you really think you could do a good job as an admin, you need to be in a position where other people are asking, nay demanding, that you have the tools to take the workload off them. That's going to be a year or two, I think. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 18:32, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, actually I understood about this, after creating the nomination page. I got goosebumps when I saw USER:Primefac's nomination page. I was definitely going to fail. Still I haven't explored Wikipedia to the level of an admin. It is just a matter of course of time. 😁 Harsh Rathod 18:46, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

If you mean Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Primefac 2, yeah that was a nail-biter. It was really Opabinia regalis' enthusiasm (as co-nominator) and confidence that he could do the job and do it well that convinced me to give it a go and do my damndest to get him to pass. He seems to have turned out alright as an admin. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 18:58, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Aww, thanks. Primefac (talk) 16:20, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Currently I feel like who's gon pray for me?/Take my pain from me? 😖 Harsh Rathod 12:46, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Well, there is been a vacancy for Richard Whiteley-esque pun making on this page since Martinevans123 has stopped squatting here, so guess the job's yours if you want it. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:56, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

"Do I look like the kind of guy who enjoys puns?" Martinevans123 (talk) 13:04, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

"So, time's up, how many do you have, Theresa?" "23". "And how many do you have, Vladimir?" "23 too". "23 each, very interesting, hmm." Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 13:08, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Just one last time. What's going on? I feel like an alien here. 👽 Harsh Rathod 14:12, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Mail Call

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@Ad Orientem: I checked, and (unless you are personally responsible for telling me that the balance on my Dartford Crossing account is below £10) nothing :-/ Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 19:51, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Ok looks like the reply function isn't working. I sent it again using the email this user button. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:03, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Yup, that works. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:07, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

User MAXXII12 getting around his block

Hi Ritchie333, I'm pretty sure IP here [6] is the same person as MAXXII12. The use the same language as in the summary This text has been controversial and constantly removed/restore since it was first added as here [[7]]. Are you able to check? NZFC^(talk) 20:04, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Article semi-protected for a week. Why people can't do more article writing / rescue instead of edit-warring over trivial nonsense is beyond me. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:06, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Make an SPI report then. This is a baseless claim and as such is a borderline personal attack. 124.106.139.19 (talk) 07:47, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

User:Ritchie333/SPI considered harmful. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 08:14, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

That's an interesting read. To me it depends what the alleged sock is doing. However, is someone is socking in order to evade an editing block of course something should be done. I welcome an SPI report because I know that I'm not the blocked account and an SPI would prove that. 124.106.139.19 (talk) 08:52, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Well I don't really mind one way or the other if Ray Hefferman is mentioned in the lead; though when the dust has settled, somebody can wander onto WP:Lamest edit wars and crack a bad joke about "and though it all, she offers me protection". Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:43, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

A beer for you!

Thank you for providing your great service to Wikipedia and us. Sashank20 (talk) 07:05, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Allanah Harper

On 21 March 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Allanah Harper, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Allanah Harper was responsible for introducing W. H. Auden, T. S. Eliot, and Virginia Woolf to the French people? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Allanah Harper. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Allanah Harper), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Gatoclass (talk) 00:01, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Sarah Frey

I've reviewed the nomination and everything is all set :) Snuggums (talk / edits) 00:31, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Snuggs! How have you been since Lady Gaga got the gold star? Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 00:32, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Quite well, sir. I even was alluded to here because of that accomplishment! Been touching up and sometimes reviewing other pages, with that DYK being my most recent completion. Snuggums (talk / edits) 00:37, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Dr.Mahesh Kottapalli

Hi Ritchie333

May i know the reason to delete Dr.Mahesh Kottapalli page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dalvkot (talk • contribs) 02:26, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi there Dalvkot, the deletion rationale can be viewed here: Dr.Mahesh Kottapalli. While I cannot view the content, according to the log summary, it appears that the article showed "no indication of importance" and contained unambiguous advertising or promotion.

• "Multiple reasons: speedy deletion criteria A7, G11"

Hopefully this helps! If you have any questions, please feel free to ask. (talk page stalker) --TheSandDoctor ^Talk 05:44, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Simply being a doctor isn't really a high enough level of achievement to be documented in independent sources so anyone else could improve the article. The prose included sentences such as "The best part of my job is to see the joy in my patients eyes when i tell them they are cured. The thank you hug is the best payment i receive. It makes it all worthwhile and keeps me going." which isn't really the sort of plain, factual writing we expect in an encyclopedia. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 10:46, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

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Green Seeds

I... think looking around that it's more like a daycare. But... meh. Whatever works. GMG^talk 11:25, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Best rule of thumb I've found is "when in doubt, don't". It's not libellious, a copyvio or vandalism and won't damage the encyclopedia for the article to sit around for a bit. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:27, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

I don't have a strong opinion about it, just explaining my rationale that I looked far enough to find that they take children as young as six months. GMG^talk 11:34, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Oy, when you get a chance, mind cleaning up the first few revisions here. It's not much text, but its taken verbatim from here. Don't want to leave an even more confusing revdel-copyvio template there. Also, you know... deleting the redirect at Oceanis 37 once the user realizes where their article is (left a redirect on purpose for a few minutes to prevent accidental recreation). GMG^talk 13:01, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Done. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 13:24, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Laura Barney Harding

Please don't make me delete your article creations as well :-( Laura Barney Harding is not your creation, it is the creation of Elisa.rolle, and a lot (the vast majority) of the article text you posted is her work. Please make sure when you post an article that you attribute it correctly. Fram (talk) 17:36, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

I forgot to restore (and then RD1 redact) the history (eg: as per this) - fixed. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:38, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, I thought it had to be something like that. Fram (talk) 17:44, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

SharkSlayer87

Oh, great. I may have to wade through their WP:WALLOFTEXT next. Thanks. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:37, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Please post content to draft/my user space

Can you userfy my contributed material at Joseph Bishop for me? I did a lot of work on it (w rgd nothing from https://archivesspace.weber.edu/repositories/2/resources/12 rgd the 1984 incident at the MTC) namely an original phrase here, this reworked multiple times, then another original phrase there, with appended sourcing from the AP, DesNews/other Utah news sites. Where does "userfied" material get moved to, btw? In general space, maybe to e.g a "Draft:Joseph Bishop sexual abuse allegations" or something? Or maybe simply to an extension of my userspace eg my sandbox?..) Thanks!--Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 18:36, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

(Again, as can be seen in Joseph Bishop article history, dozens of my contributions are blanked. None of them came from Weber State at all. They were sourced to very current news pieces in the MSM.)--Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 18:49, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

Hodgdon's secret garden Unfortunately, because the changes also included a version with copyvios in, they had to be redacted. I can't restore copyvios anywhere - it's against policy and causes legal implications. However, I have gone through your edits, picked out prose and sources you contributed that are obviously not a copyvio, and put them back in the article. Can you check if there's anything I've missed? If it's easier, I can copy and paste the latest revisions of your edits in a draft instead. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 18:56, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

• Kudos. Very nice work!!--Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 19:07, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

Hodgdon's secret garden I've also put the edits as you made them in User:Hodgdon's secret garden/John Bishop sexual abuse allegations so you can easily get at them. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 19:12, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

• Request - Could you "publish" those diffs for me in a draft, then? The current version of the article is missing all sorts of details (e.g about the troubled missionary who ended up living with his family, the accusor's history of accusations elsewhere, and so forth) and it'd make it a wholeheckalot easier for me!--Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 19:42, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

Oops. Didnt see the above. Thanks!--Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 19:43, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

No problem. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 19:46, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

Good stuff

I won't jinx a good thing, but your RfA nominations are always top notch - thank you - TNT^❤ 21:50, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

I was coming here to say the same thing. --MelanieN (talk) 21:55, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. It’s good to see candidates coming forward after such a lull. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 07:47, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

Keith Richards nominated for GA

I just thought I would let you know that I have nominated the Keith Richards for GA. (Not intending to pressure you into reviewing it or anything like that, just letting you know as you have done the Mick Jagger and The Rolling Stones reviews). --All the best, TheSandDoctor ^Talk 02:41, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

@TheSandDoctor: I've been a bit busy over the last few days and not done as much article work as I'd have liked, but I had a quick look and my main concern is there are a few unsourced bits, and the "Guest appearances" section is a huge load of unsourced trivia. That'll need sorting before it passes GA. I do believe I've got a copy of Life sitting around somewhere which is a great read, though not the best for pulling out actual facts. Anyway, if nobody else takes it over the next few days, I will have a look. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 00:46, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

I have withdrawn the nomination for the time being - not because the article isn't ready to at least undergo it, but because I don't have the time to commit to it at the moment as finals start next week. I will renominate it when finals are done with (roughly 3 weeks from now) and will let you know when I do so. --All the best, TheSandDoctor ^Talk 06:39, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

@TheSandDoctor: That's fair enough - I have been on WP in small fits and starts over the Easter break, and normally I'd want 1-2 hours without interruption to do a good job on a GA review, which is tricky when you've got kids fighting over whose turn it is to play Minecraft.... Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 09:40, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

Regarding reconsideration of Deleted Page

Respected Sir Page you deleted (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suneel_Grover) was not Unambiguous advertising or promotion. This is of real person with truly outstanding benefit to the Govt Sector and Power Sector in Himachal Pradesh, India. Also I would like to mention this is not a self created page for any kind of promotion of advertising, this is about his contribution by me a Power and IT sector enthusiast on my own as a series of distinguishable personalities. So please give a though and re consider the deletion of this page. If you will found it self promotional or just an advertising page you can even delete it later if found guilty of your guidelines. Thanks a lot. I hope you will do right whatever decision you will make.

This Page is not self created, it is being created because of individual's Outstanding and distinguishable Service in Power Sector and vast experience. Suneel Grover is an notable Electrical Engineer working as Chief Engineer in Himachal Power Sector, India. He has been Chosen "Outstanding Engineering Personalities" by "Institutions of Engineers (India)" Twice and he is the "only personality" to be elected Outstanding Engineering Personalities Twice. Apart from that He is the Man behind modernization and computerization in Power Sector in Himachal Pradesh, India. He is also the Chairman of "Centre For Skill Development, Training & Engineering Consultancy, Shimla" which is an excelling institution for higher learning from the individuals of various fields. Apart from that he is the man behind the formation of two centers "Himachal Pradesh State Load Despatch Center" (HPSLDC) and "Himachal Pradesh Area Load Despatch Center" (HPALDC). Besides that, he attended two "Round table conferences" one in "Orlando USA" and another in "Vienna Austria" on the behalf of the State Govt. during 2011. He has also mentored 60 Student as a Project Guide for Technology Projects under various courses of "Associate Member of the Institution of Engineers" & "Indira Gandhi National Open University". He has also published a number of Research Papers.

Research Papers Published :

1. Application of AON Network Technique to Monitor Progress of Transmission works in H.P. Published in Institute of Engineers Journal, India.

2. Some Guide Lines for Management of Distribution Transformers in H.P. Published in Institute of Engineers Journal, India.

3. Transformers Quality Manufacture's Responsibility presented at International Conference on Transformers.

4. EHV Multi Circuit, Multi-voltage Transmission Lines-A Compelling necessity for evacuation system of Hydro Electric Projects. Presented at National Seminar on Hydro Power.

5. Presented paper titled “R&M of Hydro Electric Plant in Himalayas-An Immediate Need” at 20th IAHR symposium “Hydro, Technology & Environment for New Century, August 6-9, 2000 at Charlotte, North Carolina, USA.

6. Paper titled “Hydropower Development in Himalayas – Opportunities & Challenges with specific reference to Himachal Pradesh in India” published for “Hydro 2001” conference in Riva-del-Garda, Italy, in September, 2001.

7. Presented paper titled “Hydropower Development in Himalayas – A Road Map with specific reference to Himachal Pradesh in India” & attended the round the table meet in “Hydro Vision 2002” in USA.

Some of the Links fro your reference are :

https://www.ieindia.org/webui/IEI_Council_Members.aspx

http://csdeciei.org,

http://aipef.in/governing-body.php

http://www.dailypioneer.com/state-editions/chandigarh/suneel-grover-nominated-member--of-iei-national-council.html

http://www.cii.in/Digital_Library_Details.aspx?enc=pZVQM37jtSRTHIkmBsithf1/Lj96STwjtM3kX1xOJl4s9/LX1XYKGQVEN5ugS8ce

Himachal Pradesh State Load Despatch Center (HPSLDC) (http://www.hpsldc.com/)

Himachal Pradesh Area Load Despatch Center (HPALDC) (http://hpaldc.org)

suneelgroverhpsebl.blogspot.in

http://suneelgroverhpsebl.blogspot.in/p/profile.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Csdec (talk • contribs) 10:35, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

@Csdec: An article is deleted as "blatant advertising" because of the way it is written, not because of what is in it. Starting a response with "This is of real person with truly outstanding benefit" seems to back that up. For now, I have moved the article into draft space at Draft:Suneel Grover, please follow instructions there. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 10:56, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Lower Bell

On 25 March 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Lower Bell, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that people supposedly kept picking up a vanishing hitchhiker outside the Lower Bell pub in Kent? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Lower Bell. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Lower Bell), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Gatoclass (talk) 00:03, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

why

why you deleted cyborg cyclone page.It was official page and full with accurate information.Cyborg Cyclone is significant for many countries in the globe right now..why? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cyborg cyclone (talk • contribs) 01:44, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

I think this is being addressed on your talk page. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 16:53, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

Nomination of Joseph Bishop for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Joseph Bishop is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joseph Bishop until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article.

Charing Cross

OK, so explain then, why in an article about "Charing Cross railway station" it makes sense to have a sentence that reads "Charing Cross railway station is within walking distance"? Within walking distance from where? From itself? Because that's what it reads like. Johnlp (talk) 21:06, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

@Johnlp: Because that section is talking about the tube stations, which are distinct entity from the station itself. I seem to recall a general consensus that content about tube stations gets merged with the parent national rail station (can Redrose64 clarify?) The history of the names, and how the various tube lines link up is rather complicated. See The long and confusing history that explains why Charing Cross and Embankment are so weird. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:10, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

Then it needs to say that CC railway station is within walking distance of both of these tube stations (though I'd have thought that was a fairly obvious point from the preceding sentence). Johnlp (talk) 21:15, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

Ah right. Have a look now. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:21, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

Modification to the preceding sentence is fine. But the sentence "Charing Cross railway station is within walking distance" still needs to come out because it now duplicates. BTW I don't need to go walk around the place. I've been commuting through there for more than 45 years. Johnlp (talk) 21:25, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

Oh yes, forgot about that. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:30, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

Charing Cross (Bakerloo line) is not within easy walking distance of Charing Cross main line station. Yellowrose63 (talk · contribs) certainly doesn't like it. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:08, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

It can't be worse than going from St Pancras mainline to Victoria tube, which seems to be about half a mile, or at least feels like it. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:16, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

It took me some years to work out that if you want the Bakerloo line from Charing Cross, you go to Embankment. The old Trafalgar Square name for Charing Cross Bakerloo was a lot more accurate. Johnlp (talk) 22:40, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

It's one of those shibboleths that regular commuters use to tell themselves apart from tourists. I regularly travel from Morden to Kings Cross, and there is a claim that you can get there faster by changing from the Northern to the Victoria at Stockwell. I remain unconvinced, simply because the Northern platforms are closer to the exit, even if the overall train speed is slower and it stops at more high-traffic stations. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 22:01, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

You headhunter, you.

		The Special Barnstar
		For finding and nominating many fine RfA candidates. Yintan  00:02, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

“Ooh Threesie, I don't want anybody else, When I think about you, I touch myself”

To whoever added the picture of cricket ball: it is highly discouraged to use jelly while "touching yourself". —usernamekiran(talk) 00:10, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

Wasn't me. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:55, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Sarah Frey

Hello! Your submission of Sarah Frey at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 22:43, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Nursery Cryme

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nicknames

Do you think it was an appropriate move to add Rosenberg's nickname, according to this source? Also, how to format nicknames with middle initials? I mean, what goes first - middle name/initial, or the nickname? —usernamekiran(talk) 00:07, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

Normally it's [forename] [initial]. [surname] eg: William G. Stewart. Nicknames can be okay if they are in the article's title eg: Ron "Pigpen" McKernan. Beyond that, redirects allow a variety of names to go to the right place eg: William G Stewart, William G.Stewart, Ron McKernan. Homework for the talk page stalkers, was Lemmy's appearance inspired by Pigpen? Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 10:43, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

• (talk page stalker) via Hugo Boss (Nazi gear) and Franz Lizst (facial warts)? I know a bassist who's inspired by Lemmy, but I always assumed his appearance in leather overcoat and crutchless jeans was the result of indigence caused by playing for years in a six-piece band to four-piece audiences. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 13:41, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

Would that have anything to do with a Three Button Hand Me Down? Martinevans123 (talk) 14:11, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

Australian ball tampering incident

Hello Ritchie -- Just for the record, did you intentionally overturn my considered decision on this? Espresso Addict (talk) 22:10, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

It would be odd if his decision to fix your erroneous post was unintentional, don't you think? The target is the scandal, not the individuals, posting anything else was plain wrong. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:13, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

I just followed up a report on WP:ERRORS as reported by The Rambling Man. Since 2018 Australian ball tampering scandal is now an article, and being actively developed, it makes sense to do so per the ITN guidelines. It's the main headline on BBC Sport and seems to be a rolling feature. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 22:15, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

Reemma Pyetrovna Aldoneena listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Reemma Pyetrovna Aldoneena. Since you had some involvement with the Reemma Pyetrovna Aldoneena redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. Saqib (talk) 12:54, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

You need to direct this message to Larakornblut (talk · contribs) and consider whether tagging a notable Russian architect and author as CSD A7 is a good idea, simply because nobody in the immediate vicinity can read sources in the native language. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:59, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Nursery Cryme

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A kitten for you!

thanks for your work on Cheryl Henson

Edaham (talk) 02:12, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Hi - I've reviewed the stub article on Cheryl Henson. Were you working on that? She's done enough it seems to be notable outside of the Henson foundation, but there's nothing in the article demonstrating that. I didn't want to draftify it as she's obviously notable. I've added one extra source to bring it to bare minimum BLP standards. I'll leave the job of bringing it up to a 4000 word main page standard to you and your team of able editors. love

Edaham (talk) 05:43, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

New Page Review Newsletter No.10

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DYK for Suffragetto

On 31 March 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Suffragetto, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the board game Suffragetto (pictured) featured suffragettes trying to storm the House of Commons? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Suffragetto. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Suffragetto), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Alex Shih (talk) 00:01, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

Phil Lynott

Hi, saw you reverted someone who changed Lynott's cause of death in the lead from heroin overdose to pneumonia. It does actually say in the "death" section that he died of pneumonia, which is technically accurate. His death was certainly caused by his heroin abuse, but it wasn't an overdose as such. Wanted to talk to you here rather than just edit away. Cheers, Bretonbanquet (talk) 13:41, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

Didn't we sort this out in the GA review? If he hadn't taken the fatal heroin overdose on Christmas Eve 1985, he would have lived. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:50, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

It's not impossible for the IB to give both the immediate and causational; cf Farrokh Bulsara, for example. —SerialNumber54129 ^{paranoia /cheap shit room} 15:59, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

I didn't notice it until now. It's a bit simplistic to say he died of a heroin overdose, I think. I've never actually seen anything that says he took an overdose that Christmas Eve. It seems more likely to have been (and is generally sourced as such) the final onset of terminal health issues caused by an accumulation of years of heroin and other substance abuse. The straw that broke the camel's back. I have sources that say he took ill a couple of days earlier and had spent the previous couple of days in bed, having visits from a doctor. The first source book I picked up actually says it wasn't an overdose (Byrne, "Renegade of Thin Lizzy"). Putterford basically says the same thing. Bretonbanquet (talk) 10:37, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

The "death" section of the article body covers the events in sufficient detail, so it may be worth just changing the relevant section of the infobox as mentioned above. Putterford's biography says, "All of the medican jargon simply meant that prolonged drug abuse had killed him." Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 13:21, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

proposed deletion of Kenyatalk

Hello Ritchie. I created this page Kenyatalkbut it was deleted for the first time, rewrote it afresh and even improved on it but you have now tagged it for deletion. Can you please guide me on what I'm doing wrong and how I can improve it because I have seen lots of similar pages but they have been there for months — Preceding unsigned comment added by Onger321 (talk • contribs) 14:49, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

I haven't tagged it for deletion - that was Legacypac. Online forums are generally not considered particularly notable by Wikipedia standards, because there is little information for anyone to be able to write much encyclopedic content about them. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:49, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

SineBot

I noticed at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Wikipe-tan last year that you suggested nominating SineBot for adminship. I’d be happy to co-nominate, with a UAA question and all! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Linguist111 (talk • contribs) 00:48, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

@Linguist111: Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/SineBot. Have at it. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 09:57, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

Oh. I'm an idiot. I did not at all realize when you suggested nominating Mr. Fuzzybottom for RfA "on Sunday"...exactly...what day Sunday was. :P GMG^talk 11:40, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

Ah well, save it for next year. Mr. Fuzzybottom might be enjoying Easter lunch, don't wake sleeping tigers and all that.... Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:43, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Laura Barney Harding

Hello! Your submission of Laura Barney Harding at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 10:52, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

Please see new note on your DYK nomination. Yoninah (talk) 16:14, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, I promoted ALT1b. But making such an assertion on the main page, you should really add a sentence about Harding to the Katharine Hepburn page. Yoninah (talk) 16:43, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Trump Street

Alex Shih (talk) 12:02, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

Andrei Rauta

He played for Romania U-19. He was a youth international, is eligible for a wikipedia article. (Rhinen)

@Rhinen: The article was deleted by full consensus at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Andrei Răuță. You'll need to file a deletion review to challenge that decision. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 19:33, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

It seems however not to be notable enough, my apologies (Rhinen)

Joshuaselig

I don't mean to be a negative person, but I feel as though as tougher ban should be in place. This editor seems to think that he doesn't half to listen to anyone, and has a consistent history of removing warnings from his talk page. 💵Money💵emoji💵^Talk 13:01, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

@Money emoji: He's had no blocks until now, and the standard one for blatant and obvious 3RR is a reasonable place to start. If he doesn't communicate, and carries on exactly as before, the next one can be indefinite. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 13:15, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Just to be clear, I normally don't like being aggressive when it comes to blocks, its just that Joshuaselig seemed so opposed to any form of communication that it seemed like the account wasn't being run by a human. I didn't meant to come off as aggressive when it comes to blocks, sorry.💵Money💵emoji💵^Talk 23:39, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

...not quite...

I think you're mixing up your order there a little bit on Dale Pierre Layman. A press release might be enough to avoid nominating for BLPPROD, but I think you're stretching it a little bit trying to say that PR Newswire is a reliable source that supports at least one statement made about the person in the article. I mean...I feel your pain, but I'm not even seeing so much as an official university bio page anywhere even in open web searches. GMG^talk

He does turn up in a book search with several academic hits (though some are for his own books). At least it's enough to clear speedy and BLP PROD. The PR Newswire hit was the first one I happen to find, and it is only citing something very factual - that he exists and that he's very qualified and a serious WP:PROF contender. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 19:33, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, he's probably in the neighborhood of PROF. It's actually pretty strange not to have...anything other than press releases for biographical information though. At any rate, I think it may have been a good one to let sit on a watchlist for a few days as a kindof "Hey fella, you obviously know a thing or two about this person. Mind helping us find some sources?" GMG^talk 19:39, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

He looks like he should clear PROF but I can't be definitely sure I could write a non-stub article about him. Hmmmm, maybe I'll stick it on the back burner for somebody else to worry about. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 10:54, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

In that vein, I had considered whether this wouldn't be a good one to just unreview, and see if someone from NPP with maybe more access or creativity in looking for sources happens upon it. GMG^talk 10:59, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

Mmm, possibly. Or I could just ask DGG whether he thinks he meets PROF or not. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:04, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

It's easy to document the books on WorldCat, and that's what I use to prevent WP:BLPPROD when relevant; I do not consider PRnewswire a RS for bio. There are a few more books, but the only significant one is Biology Demystified. ("Running..." is just his phd thesis,which has never been cited; he has no research publications. I added the thesis and the ref to the article.) . The information in the two press releases is absurd hyperbola. The only possible WP:PROF criterion is the subsection of criterion 4, "Tor example, if the person has authored several books that are widely used as textbooks (or as a basis for a course) at multiple institutions of higher education." One of his book is in 1200 libraries. But it is not a college textbook, but a very elementary presentation--the publisher's blurb found in the Worldcat reference, makes it plain that it is deliberately written to be something easier than a textbook. And I don't think this single book would meet WP:AUTHOR either. I haven't looked for reviews , though. This is an attempt at a promotional bio presumably motivated by a forthcoming publication. A remarkably unsophisticated attempt, to judge by the originally submitted text. DGG ( talk ) 18:42, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

Maybe I'm wrong, but I put this into google translate set it to Wikipedia, and it said Take the article to AfD and see if he's notable or not. GMG^talk 15:24, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

I haven't a clue if he's notable or not - hopefully the matter will be settled in the AfD soon enough. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:25, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

Oh. I didn't see that DGG had taken it to AfD just a few hours ago. GMG^talk 15:26, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

Talkback

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St. Nimmerleinstag

Gerda, daughter of Deuteronomy of Gath, you have been found guilty by the elders of the town of making a pointy edit, and so, as a blasphemer, you are to be discretionary sanctioned to death! Now, look! No one is to put discretionary sanctions on anyone until I blow this whistle! Do you understand?! Even, and I want to make this absolutely clear, even if they do say "Infobox"!

Ritchie, what's that in English? It's a day that will never come. We could call it "the-day-the-great-RfC-is-settled". I don't expect that to arrive during my lifetime ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:10, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

(watching) "When pigs fly", perhaps? —SerialNumber54129 ^{paranoia /cheap shit room} 13:13, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

Typical English idioms would be "until the twelfth of never", "when Hell Freezes Over", "when Satan goes to work in a snowplough", "when Jimbo Wales writes an FA".... the choice is endless. In fact, we have an entire article full of them. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 13:16, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

...and "adynaton" is clearly word of the day  :) —SerialNumber54129 ^{paranoia /cheap shit room} 13:28, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

(ec) Thank you, Ritchie, helped me to "St. Never's Day". Now seriously: our (carefully omitting attribute) arbs put a whole context under DS, while there is debate on how few articles? Is it even 10? Is anybody interested in the great RfC? Not me. It's enough for me not to be reverted when I add a not-that-naughty-word-again to an article I expanded. Yes, admitted, I began the year with a pointy edit ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:31, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

Can't wait for the RfC outcome. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:33, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

Before any outcome, there has to be income. After the 2013 case, Ched began one, turned down (it's a red link there, admins can see what it was like). I asked several people over the years, turned down. Now someone (forgot the name) began, turned down. And about what anyway? - Sing a new song, stress on new ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:49, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

CoI Tags

Hey, here is a link to all of the pages on WP that use the COI tag. Please feel free to go through and remove them all. Cheers :) ‡ Єl Cid of ᐺalencia ^ᐐT₳LKᐬ 16:10, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

(for those playing at home, we are talking about Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Green Tomato Cars)

If I had time to copyedit all them, I would. Alternatively, I'll get Andrew Davidson to help. Don't you think you're over-reacting a bit, and that this whole thing about "omg paid editing" is a moral panic? Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 16:12, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

I really respect you as an admin, and I'm not sure where this is all coming from. Yes, I wish I hadn't posted this thread as it was petty and uncalled for, but GTC was very clearly a promotional article. In reviewing new pages I don't always have time to go through and make all the changes I wish I could, but I certainly don't think I did anything wrong. You reverted the deletion which I didn't dispute, but I think tagging from clean-up is only proper. ‡ Єl Cid of ᐺalencia ^ᐐT₳LKᐬ 16:27, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

Where this comes from is I've got to the point where I don't actually trust RHaworth's ability to judge the CSD criteria correctly any more - I think he just looks at CAT:CSD and goes "bang", "bang", "bang", "bang" like a giant game of Whac-a-mole. This might have been okay in 2005 when anything turning up there probably was total junk, but that's no longer the case as we have more NPP reviewers and they aren't 100% perfect. Hey, no-one is. (This was mentioned on an AN earlier today and on his talk page a few days back). So things have got to the point that if I see one that I think is flat out wrong (as this was, as if it really was a G11 I'd have to rewrite the entire article from the ground up), then I'll just revert it and take responsibility for it. An AfD is reasonable, and having different opinions on the article is okay. The primary reason for moving the tags was because they were no longer needed - I'd cleaned up the article (as have you), and I certainly don't have any COI with the article (as I assume you don't either). We'll wait and see what the creator thinks - if it turns out he is a paid editor, well we'll got a BOGOF and will live and learn. If he isn't, that shows that we need to stop and think and get involved more in writing the encyclopedia, and less in demolishing it. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 16:36, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

Alright, thank you for the explanation. I do apologize for being confrontational with you. Cheers ‡ Єl Cid of ᐺalencia ^ᐐT₳LKᐬ 16:42, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

That's alright, we'll see how the AfD pans out. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 16:45, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

Request for text of a deleted page

Hello, you were on the list of people who offered to provide copies of deleted pages and i was wondering if I could have a copy of the page “List of magicians in fantasy” , I really like to know different magicians and read about thwm, thank you. ApolloOfAffaron (talk) 23:46, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

@ApolloOfAffaron: You'll need to enable email access. Go to "Preferences" and check the box marked "Allow other users to email me". Then I can send you the deleted text. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 09:42, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

Done, thanks ApolloOfAffaron (talk) 15:26, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

Okay, text emailed. Three things; 1) This is the raw wikitext with template code and everything 2) The text includes the history at the bottom, which is necessary for attribution purposes 3) Don't post it back on Wikipedia; it'll just get deleted per WP:G4 - "Material already deleted via a deletion discussion". For future reference, Deletionpedia sometimes has an archive of a deleted page, which is easier to get hold of. There also seems to be a mirror archive here of the article before it was deleted. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:32, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Laura Barney Harding

On 5 April 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Laura Barney Harding, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Laura Barney Harding once declared she was Katharine Hepburn's husband? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Laura Barney Harding. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Laura Barney Harding), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Alex Shih (talk) 00:01, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

Discussion at Draft_talk:Global_Value_Investment_Corp.

 You are invited to join the discussion at Draft_talk:Global_Value_Investment_Corp.. Waddie96 (talk) 20:11, 5 April 2018 (UTC)Template:Z48

As I said at my essay, copyright violations "are particularly bitey as they are one of the few ways an administrator can instantly and unilaterally delete a page created in good faith, and be within their rights to refuse to restore it." I've dropped a note on the talk page. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:14, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

Stefán Kristjánsson

Hello. Regarding this edit, the section was discussed at User talk:The Rambling Man#Stefán Kristjánsson. Could you revert your edit? Hrodvarsson (talk) 23:02, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

@Hrodvarsson: This was in response to a report on WP:ERRORS. I can revert if there is consensus, but from my view, "Notable" is a word to watch. @The Rambling Man:, any other views? Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:02, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

See this discussion at WP:CHESS. TRM is arguing that there should be a clearly defined set of inclusion criteria for what makes a game "notable", while some of us feel that providing an RS that the game has been called notable is sufficient. We actually used to call them "Illustrative games" but that proved problematic as well.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 12:39, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

No, none of the sources call the Fischer games "notable", they have quite exotic and emotive floral descriptions about the games, and are usually the opinion of a single writer. Embedded lists like this should have defined inclusion criteria, and if you're suggesting that in Fischer's case (or indeed Stefán's case) that it's because someone has said the games are "notable", then I'd like to see the evidence of that. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:42, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

And in fact, the original problem has been nicely and appropriately solved by @Hrodvarsson:, who added an inclusion note thus: The following games are examples of Stefán defeating players with an Elo rating of over 2600. That's perfect. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:43, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

Regarding Angela and Jennifer Chun page

Hi- I am an editor for Angela and Jennifer Chun's Wikipedia page. I work directly for Angela and Jennifer Chun as their branding manager. I am writing to inquire about the revisions you made on the page. You cited "copyright violation" as the reason for those revisions, but I'm not sure if I understand what part of my edit constitutes as copyright violation as I either paraphrased or directly copied and pasted from the aforementioned articles, and cited sources. So could you please tell me where in the edit was not appropriate? I have looked at the A7 guide for reference. Please respond as soon as you can. Thank you in advance and I hope you have a good one.