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July 21

Adding Categories

The Wikipedia Robot continues to tag the "Daniel K. Weber" page as "uncategorized." It is not intuitive how to add categories. I do not find a "how to add categories" line item in the FAQ's. I have attempted to add the categories you see listed at the bottom of the referenced page and the entry comes up as another form of tag. How do I create a category box? Please help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bozobigtop (talk • contribs)

To add a category, place [[Category:name of category]] at the bottom of the page. Another editor has done this on the Daniel K. Weber page, so you can see how it works there. Our page on categories gives more information on how to do this. I also placed a welcome template on your talk page, containing lots of links to help you edit Wikipedia. Raven4x4x 00:20, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

universities alla raound the wolrd

Dear Sir/Madam:

I am enquirying about the universities in suadia arabia, and universities all around the world, where can i find organisations within the universities taht offer genuis test, or offer degrees to thermal/therman students? I am in despertae need to communicate with other genuises, scientists. please forward information via email.

Regards, Alia El-Amer <Personal information removed>

This Help Desk is for questions about using Wikipedia. This question would be better placed on the Reference desk, or see our List of universities in Saudi Arabia. I have also removed the personal information you posted; it is not a good idea to post e-mail addresses, phone numbers and the like on such a public page. Raven4x4x 00:13, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Pseudo science/traditional medicine claims

I have noticed that the article on Bamboo charcoal is full of dubious claims as to its many "wondrous" properties. I am not sure how to deal with claims of a pseudoscience/traditional medicine nature - I put a "this is disputed" tag and asked about it in the talk section, but got little feedback. I am hoping you wiser folks have some input on how to fix the article. Observer31 03:29, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

There are many options

• Place citation tags on particular statements
• Remove especially bold statements
• Check the statements at the Reference Desk
• Contact the appropriate WikiProject
• Rewrite it in a more encyclopedic tone

Have a nice day,

The Rhymesmith 04:25, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

I would suggest immediately removing these dubious claims if neither you nor anybody else can find a valid source for them. The reason for this is that these claims could cause injury to those who try them, and Jimbo himself said that removing a potentially harmful unsourced claim is better than just adding a tag. --Qmwne235 22:35, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

how to copy from wikipedia

how to copy from wikipedia —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 59.92.58.183 (talk • contribs).

What do you mean? Copy articles?

The Rhymesmith 04:58, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

If you want to copy the Wikipedia database, see: WP:DUMP. If you want to export articles to another MediaWiki wiki, see: Help:Export. If you want to mirror Wikipedia, see: Wikipedia:Mirrors and forks. If none of those are what you meant, see: User:John Broughton/Editor's Index to Wikipedia which has so many links you are sure to find something useful. --Teratornis 03:22, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

please if ihave namibia passportcanigoto canada without no visa

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 41.205.187.95 (talk • contribs) 08:48, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

This is a page for asking questions about using Wikipedia, as it says at the top of this page. I would suggest you ask your local government office or Canadian embassy regarding this matter. - Tangotango (talk) 08:54, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

desin of ponds

how do i create a page

how do i create a page—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Paintpower (talk • contribs).

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Help:Starting a new page. You might also look at Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation.--Fuhghettaboutit 12:27, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Clear History

Is there a way to clear your history? I mean those drop-down things of suff you've searched before. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nickatnoon141 (talk • contribs) 14:00, 21 July 2007

Most browsers have a way to do this, usually under the "tools" tab at the top. If you told me which browser you're using, I might be able to help more. However, you might also want to consider the computing section of the reference desk, as this help desk is for help using Wikipedia. Charlie-talk to me-what I've done 14:05, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

This question comes up frequently on the Help desk. Here is a Google Search of the Help desk archive for it. That won't find all instances of this question because each questioner words it differently, but you will find a lot of advice with just that one search. --Teratornis 03:15, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Question re: recreating speedily deleted articles, Stack Bundles

I've read the Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stack Bundles discussion and understand that the article as it was must not have been acceptable. I wonder if there's not room for somebody to come in and do it properly. I have previously worked on the page of a homicide victim, Lieth Von Stein, whose only notability was as the victim of homicide (though his case gained notoriety when it became the subject of two books and movies). Stack has plenty of press coverage. If anybody can shed any light on this for me--as in whether a page, speedily deleted, can be restarted and under what circumstances--I'd appreciate it. Even if it were open, I might not choose to create an article on Stack Bundles (I've only done cursory reading so far), but it seems like valuable general information. --Moonriddengirl 14:22, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi Moonriddengirl. This is not a simple issue. First some terminology and structure to work from. The article was not speedily deleted. Speedy deletion is a specific process you can read about here which involves defined and narrowly-tailored criteria for deletion without debate. Articles that are speedy deleted are not subject to speedy deletion as reposts because no consensus was reached on the merits. Articles for deletion, by contrast, is debate on the merits of the article under various policies to reach a consensus. If an article is deleted after such non-speedy, debate on the merits, as this one was, reposts of the article are then subject to speedy deletion under the repost criterion I linked above, but only where the new article "is substantially identical to the deleted version and any revisions made clearly do not address the reasons for which the page was deleted." Okay, putting that aside.

There are a few competing policies at play here. Our notability policy requires citation to reliable sources which substantively treat the article's subject, and are independent of that subject. That is what we mean by notability here, not the dictionary definition. We also have subject specific notability guidelines which expand on the general criteria. Relevant ones for this topic are Wikipedia:Notability (music) and Wikipedia:Notability (people). Simple notability concerns must be balanced here against two other policies WP:NOT#NEWS and WP:NOT#MEMORIAL.

Articles which are created after someone's death and often because of the notoriety surrounding the death, may not work as an article. Where this comes up is that someone's death, especially as a result of foul play, ends in substantial newspaper coverage. Those are reliable sources, and at first seem to meet notability standards head on. It is a subject of ongoing debate whether flurry of newscoverage should be discounted; the subject is newsworthy, yes (and thus perfect material for our sister project, Wikinews), but does he or she suddenly become notable? The answer to that is only seen over the long term (which we can't know now); if ten years from now the subject of a murder is still written about, then we know. So, one way to think about it is: "could a proper article (i.e. an article meeting notability standards, citing to reliable sources, etc.) have been written about the subject before the newsworthy event? If so, then the subject is good material for an article, even if the impetus for creation postdates the newsworthy event. If, on the other hand. such an article could not have been written beforehand, it's probably not a good subject for an article afterwards if it is just newsworthiness that has been achieved posthumously.

So ultimately, my advice to you is to write the article only if you can and are willing to hunt down and cite to reliable sources in your rewrite tending to show that that an article properly establishing notability could have been written about him before his death. Otherwise, I don't see how you can address the concerns that resulted in deletion after debate, and if you don't address those concerns, this is likely to simply be deleted as a repost. Hope this lengthy post is clear, not too pablum-filled and helpful.--Fuhghettaboutit 15:49, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Disambiguation help

I need to create a new page for 'State of the Heart'. There's already an existing page by the same name. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Heart

The source content for the new page can be seen here stateoftheheart.name

The Disambiguation help instructions are too complicated for me. Can anyone help in creating a new page with the title of 'State of the Heart'. If you add contents from the mentioned source, that would be great.

Thank you, on behalf of Maggi GraceNMHInc 16:11, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

When you go to create the new page, add a short descriptor after the main title to differentiate from the existing article. For example, State of the Heart (film). I'd do it for you, but I'm not sure where this source content is located. The page at WP:1ST might also provide some important help. Hersfold ^(talk/work) 16:54, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

I believe he meant the website, http://www.stateoftheheart.name/. .name is a uncommen TLD, so most people don't know about it. Matt/TheFearow (Talk) (Contribs) (Bot) 04:35, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

artiste participation

i am don l. osigue, and i want to feature my artiste, bongos ikwe in your festival next summer. how do i go about it?

Wikipedia is an online encyclopedia, not a festival or showcase. Apologies.

The Rhymesmith 18:46, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

If you mean Wikimania, try to contact somebody directly involved in it. However, this will probably be completely unsuccessful. You could try to upload you recording to the Commons as an ogg vorbis file. --Qmwne235 22:39, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Macromedia

what is macromedia studio. advantages and disadvantages of application packages. diffrence between word processing and application packages.

Direct your inquiry to the Computing division of the Reference Desk

The Rhymesmith 18:47, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Further reading

Some articles show at the bottom a "Further reading" and within there some more weblinks: although there is also a section called "Links". Is there any rule how to publish "Links" and links within "Further reading"? -- Josha52 18:40, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Look here.

Have a nice day,

The Rhymesmith 18:47, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

The relevant guideline pages are: WP:LAYOUT and WP:SECTION. --Teratornis 21:04, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. -- Josha52 19:18, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

forgot user name

can somehow i type my e-mail down then the user that mathes to that e-mail, gets e-mailed to that e-mail?

It would be difficult. Generally questions of this sort are addressed here.

Have a nice day.

The Rhymesmith 18:50, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

This is a surprisingly common problem. If you can remember any articles you edited, you can look in their histories, which list all the edits and the users who made them. If you see your user name it may jog your memory. If you can't remember any articles you edited, you might find them in your Web browser's history. Did you make a user page? Did you put any userboxes on it? If so, you may have categorized your user name into some category. Did you join any WikiProjects? --Teratornis 16:49, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Deleted pages

How do I go about reading deleted pages? There's no history button so I can't go to a previous edit and click "Last". ~Crowstar~^{crow calls} 20:20, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Only administrators can read deleted articles. Garion96 (talk) 20:22, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Darn. ~Crowstar~^{crow calls} 20:39, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

User Page Name

Are wikipedia users allowed to change their user page name? Like mine is User: Gdfanatic21594 but I want it to just be Gdfanatic21594. Gdfanatic21594 21:15, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

The two examples you give are in different Namespaces. All user pages have the namespace "User" before the name. The name you give above would be an article of that title. For example there is User:Jimbo Wales and Jimmy Wales. First a user page then an article about the same person. As Mr. Wales is (amongst other things) the founder of Wikipedia, he is deemed notable enough to have an article. Most of us (most probably yourself included) are not. -=# Amos E Wolfe ^talk #=- 21:29, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Also see WP:WIAA and Help:User page for more about the difference between articles and user pages. --Teratornis 16:51, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Searching Wikipedia

looking for artist elaine hamilton o'neal

If you paste "elaine hamilton o'neal" into the search box which appears on every page of Wikipedia, you will find the article on her.-gadfium 23:20, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Try Elaine O'Neal. — E ^talk_bots 23:22, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Tables

Hello. At my sandbox, I am in the process of creating a new userpage. Now, at the bottom, the table doesn't seem to close off. I am wondering if someone familiar with wikitables may fix this for me. Thanks in advance, — E ^talk_bots 23:18, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Done. --Tλε Rαnδom Eδιτor (ταlκ) 00:13, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

July 22

Improving my user page

Excuse me, I want to know how to zest up my user page, and put pictures of it and everything. Uglyguy2006

I reccomend taking a look at WP:UPH, WP:USERPAGE, and also Wikipedia:User Page Design Center. Hope that helps. --Tλε Rαnδom Eδιτor (ταlκ) 00:15, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

How do I get collaborators?

I just started a new page and wondered how do I let people know in the community so I can ask for collaboration.

Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Efigment (talk • contribs)

You can try to see if there is an existing Wikiproject that would cover the subject of your article. Usually adding the Wikiproject's talk page banner to the talk page of the article is enough to attract their attention, but you can leave a message on the project's talk page as well. Just don't forget to sign your posts with four tildes (~~~~). Hersfold ^(talk/work) 01:54, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

You can also search for articles on topics related to the article you started, which looks like Christiana Morgan (such as, for example, the articles you linked to from the article you started - but I see that Christiana Morgan doesn't have nearly enough links yet). Look at the histories of those related articles. Some of the people who edited those articles might be interested in editing the article you started. You can leave notes for them on their talk pages, but be sure to sign your comments on talk pages. It also doesn't hurt to directly ask for help on the Help desk, for example, you could ask: will someone please help edit Christiana Morgan? Lots of people read the Help desk, judging from the number of people who reply to questions, and some of them could help clean up poor Christiana. --Teratornis 03:10, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

I need help about creating an account and editing

Hi my name is Joe Terracina, a long time reader first time writer. I enjoy reading wikipedia, in fact it is one of my favorite sites. Anyway, my questions are what are the advantages of creating an account and how do I go about either creating an article or adding information to an article. If someone can help with this that would be great! Help to this writer would be great.

Sincerely

Joe

On the advantages of creating an account, read Wikipedia:Why create an account?. On creating an article, read Wikipedia:Your first article. Hope this helps! Sr13 00:35, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

As for adding information to an article, the basic procedure is by clicking on the "edit this page" tab on the top. -- Meni Rosenfeld (talk) 19:12, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Creating an account will allow you to edit some controversial protected articles and collaborate better with other Wikipedians. It will also allow you to get more recognition for your work.--Qmwne235 23:26, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Need redirect deleted

Hi, could someone please delete the redirect Christina Lake, British Columbia that currently goes to Christina Lake (British Columbia). The first title is needed free for a town article (forthcoming) and the second is a lake. Re: the discussion here. Thanks.CindyBo^talk 00:37, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

You can just edit the redirect; there's no reason for a delete. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 00:42, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I didn't know that. I thought it was one of those admin only things.CindyBo^talk 00:49, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Moving an existing article to a redirect requires an administrator in some cases, and then it's important to not avoid the administrator by copying the text of the existing article instead of moving. But if you create an article of new content then just edit the redirecting page. You can e.g. get to it by first clicking Christina Lake, British Columbia which currently takes you to Christina Lake (British Columbia), and there you can click the link in "Redirected from Christina Lake, British Columbia" at the top. PrimeHunter 01:14, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Okay, thanks.CindyBo^talk 01:44, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Substitute under circumstances

How can you get something to substitute under circumstances, like when you log on and off. Because I have a template which shows my status and I want it to change to a different template when I log off. The templates are {{User:Betacommand/Status}} and {{User:Betacommand/StatusDiv|away}}. Please tell me how I can substitute the online status template with the Away status template when I log off if possible. If not possible, please tell me. ☺Efansay^T/_C☺ 01:08, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

I think it needs to be done manually, but I'm not sure. I used to have one like that, but it didn't work...try asking Betacommand (talk · contribs), see if he knows. Giggy _U^CP 03:06, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

its not that hard, but substing isnt a good option. I use User:Betacommand/Status to display my current status. But that status is set using {{User:Betacommand/StatusDiv|<current status here>}} where current status is defined in User:Betacommand/StatusDiv (PS I use User:George money's status changing bot)^∆ 03:15, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Improvements

Can someone have a look at my page and let me know what I can do to improve it!

Thanx

Richard —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Richardbetts (talk • contribs).

Which page is that?

The Rhymesmith 04:59, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

I am guessing, note guessing, that he is referring to Chetan Ramlu. If so Richard, it seems to have the basic formatting and word usage of a good Wikipedia article. However, you could do additional research using verified sources to determine more facts about him and his career. Once you have enough information on both I'd suggest using headers to separate early life and professional career, or something similar. Keep up the good work! In addition, I'd like to add that for a new user you are doing very well, especially with your use of the musician info box.PeteShanosky 15:15, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Or you can create a peer review for your article and get comments from folks. @pple 09:57, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Edits gone

I thought I had edited a page.. it had shown up edited, but then when i looked back at it a few days later, my edits were gone, and there seems to be no record of what i wrote.. where did it go??? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kitawhit (talk • contribs).

If you refer to Elimination communication then see its history: [1]. PrimeHunter 10:10, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

youngest indian woman climber of mount everest

Mahidayath 13:49, 22 July 2007 (UTC)who is the youngest woman climber of mount everest from india?

Have you tried the Miscellaneous section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here's the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps.--Fuhghettaboutit 13:55, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Also try: google:youngest Indian woman climber mount everest. The answer may be Dicky Dolma of Himachal Pradesh, listed as the youngest woman to climb Mount Everest at age 19 in 1993. --Teratornis 16:37, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

map location of gorakhpur city

i want to see map of gorakhpur city. pls help me to see this.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 59.94.115.142 (talk • contribs).

Here is a map, found through this search. Note that this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For future knowledge questions, such as this, please ask at an appropriate section of the section Wikipedia:Reference desk where they specialize in answering knowledge questions. I hope this helps.--Fuhghettaboutit 14:05, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

How to put a # sign in a page title

I'm trying to create a page with a # sign in the title but for some reason it doesn't work very well, I keep getting everything after the # sign chopped off. Is there something else I could do, or should i just replace it with "No." or something? pw 15:15, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

To add a little more context, this is for a bot, when it escapes the URL it ends up with %23, but when wikipedia returns the page, it ignores that and everything after as the page title. should I encode it some other way? thanks, pw 15:15, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

In the title, the # is reserved to designate everything following it as a page section. So, the format is "Page Name#Section of the Page". You could use url encoding to create a # in the URL, but I doubt it would translate to a # in the page title. So, your best option is to use something other than #. Of note, most wikis will not allow the ampersand & either. -- Kainaw^(what?) 15:17, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

See: Wikipedia:Naming conventions (technical restrictions), especially the section: Characters totally forbidden in page titles. --Teratornis 16:23, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

It might, just might, be possible to create a workaround such as was done for titles that are supposed to start with a lowercase, which was implemented with {{lowercase}}. You could ask about this at the Wikipedia:Village pump (technical). However, *if possible*, I doubt this would get any support unless you could show that there is some real utility in the ability, relevant to multiple situations.--Fuhghettaboutit 18:03, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

about accounts

i want to know about basics account where should i go for this please help me —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.192.224.172 (talk • contribs) 16:07, 22 July 2007.

It's not clear what you're asking - I'm guessing you're asking about user accounts. I can think of two pages that might help you: Wikipedia:Why create an account? and Wikipedia:Username policy. --HughCharlesParker (talk - contribs) 16:23, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Everything you could need to know about user accounts and usernames is under: User:John Broughton/Editor's Index to Wikipedia#Use. --Teratornis 17:50, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

hot to enter a topic into a list on one page, and have it auto update different pages

Hi.

I am creating a page of ideas for research projects for a set of professors. Each project is usually associated with more than one class. For example, the topic Digital Broadband Migration would be good for 4 classes denoted by [C, J, TH, SM]. So there would be 4 separate pages with a list for each separate class.

Question then: How can I make it so a professor only enters the topic once, onto one list, and all the rest of the lists/pages are populated with that same topic automatically?

Thanks! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.8.147.23 (talk • contribs) 16:26, 22 July 2007.

If you're creating a page on wikipedia, then I think you need to look at Wikipedia's notability guidelines. If you're not, then this isn't the place to ask: this is the Wikipedia help desk, for question about how to use Wikipedia - you'd be better off at the computing reference desk. If you do ask a question there, you'll need to say what system you're using to make those pages - if you don't know what system to use, make it clear in your question that that's what you're asking. You also need to sign your question, by putting ~~~~ after it. --HughCharlesParker (talk - contribs) 16:58, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

The question contains vague wording, making it difficult to understand. You start off by mentioning "a page of ideas," but then there are "separate pages," and then the notion of "lists" comes up, but you don't specify lists of what (lists of ideas for research projects?). The phrase "a professor only enters the topic once" is ambiguous: does this mean you enter the professor's name (on some page), or does the actual professor do something with the topic? And as the above reply states, we can't get any traction at all without knowing what system you are using or intend to use for this editing task. "Research project ideas" will almost certainly violate Wikipedia's No original research policy, so it sounds as if using Wikipedia is right out, and you should use another wiki (for example, a wiki hosted by your University). If you are running your own MediaWiki wiki, then you could edit a set of templates to store the chunks of information which should each appear on more than one page. You could also create categories to group pages by class and professor. Or you could place each research project idea onto its own separate article (never mind the templates), and just use categories to group the research project idea pages by class and professor (and topic, or any other way you want to group the idea pages). The category pages would then serve as the lists of research project ideas, and you would not have to manually create list pages yourself. MediaWiki provides several ways to group pages, and it's fairly easy to change your grouping scheme as you go. If you aren't running your own wiki yet (on a Web server), you can easily set up your own personal wiki to experiment with on your personal computer; see for example: mw:Manual:Wiki on a stick. --Teratornis 17:46, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

PLEASE HELP! Template problems!

I'm trying my template seen here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sparky2002b/Test

However, after I close the template tag, anything I write is in the table, below "GS Score". How do I fix this?

You had two tables in the page source, so you needed to have two of |}. Anyway, I've Fixed it. :-) —« ANIMUM » 17:53, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, that helps! However, one more thing: How can I set a field to accept a variable number of parameters? Example, under platform, accept either "Xbox" or "Xbox, Playstation"? ~~

Sure, just add {{{Xbox|{{{Xbox, Playstation}}}}}} to the appropriate line where you want it. :-) —« ANIMUM » 18:32, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

That doesn't work - try it in the template. -Sparky 18:35, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

The method you have at the moment looks fine; why is it failing? (Magnus animum's solution was to display either of two parameters, rather than the given value for one parameter, which is why it wasn't working.) --ais523 08:37, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia as Home page

I do not want Wikipidia as my home page. However, every time I delete the seeting it returns the next time I log on. Can you advise please. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.159.119.242 (talk • contribs) 19:08, 22 July 2007.

That isn't a Wikipedia problem. Check your security software, sometimes they lock the IE home page to prevent viruses/spyware from changing it to a naughty site. 71.126.156.74

If that doesn't help you, then the computing reference desk might be able to help. --HughCharlesParker (talk - contribs) 22:52, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

External Link

Hi! Could you kindly tell me, how to make an external link?--Tellervo 19:23, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Linking to existing Wikipedia pages is done by placing doubled brackets around the name of the page. Thus, [[Wikipedia]] produces Wikipedia. A useful expansion of this is done by separating what you want linked, from what you want displayed, with a pipe character ("|"), to create a "piped link". Thus: [[Wikipedia|encyclopedia]] produces encyclopedia, with the displayed text linking to the article, Wikipedia. You can link to internal sections of pages thusly: Wikipedia#name of internal section of that article. By contrast, for external links: http://www.example.org produces http://www.example.org; [http://www.example.org] produces [2]; and [http://www.example.org example] produces example. For more information, see Help:Link and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial. Hope this has helped.--Fuhghettaboutit 19:32, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

for c programing

what will happen if we use capital letter in c programing?

This sort of question is better asked over at the Reference desk. The help desk is for questions about wikipedia. --Tλε Rαnδom Eδιτor (ταlκ) 21:38, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

To put it exactly, Wikipedia:Reference desk/Computing community always ready to welcome you :). @pple 09:59, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Why am I not able to edit?

Today is the first time I have ever tried to go onto Wikipedia yet there is a whole string of faintly abusive comments saying I have defaced the site etc etc etc.

How can this have happened and how to I get rid of these comments against my IP that are nothing to do with me? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bruce37 (talk • contribs)

Since you are asking this question here, you are evidently able to edit. The comments you saw might have been on the talk page associated with your IP address. Before creating the account "Bruce37", you would see these messages, which were intended for whoever (also) used your IP address to edit Wikipedia. They need not concern you now that you have a user account. Sandstein 19:55, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

You probably have a dynamic IP address. Don't delete the messages posted to your IP address. The editor(s) who edited with that address without logging in may do further bad edits, and the messages can be helpful to other editors. PrimeHunter 22:34, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

kite hawk

What does a kite hawk look like.

Well, that would best be answered by looking at the kite hawk article. This help desk cannot help you do your homework. (Unless you are doing a report on Wikipedia :-) ) --tennisman 20:55, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Try: Kite (bird). --Teratornis 21:01, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Redirect added. Redirects are cheap. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 21:23, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Technical Questions

1. I've noticed that Main Page does not display the title of the article, what was done to prevent it from being displayed, also with that, how do you change it where the tab says main page and not article?
2. Where do you change in the config or whereever to add help text that you see at the top of talk edit pages, such as:

This is a talk page. Please respect the talk page guidelines, and remember to sign your posts using four tildes (~~~~).

Thanks. --User:Charitwo/Sig 21:21, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't know the Main Page design, but User:Rebroad may be of interest to you. Click edit there to see how the displayed title was changed on that page. The quoted message is from MediaWiki:Talkpagetext and can be discussed at MediaWiki talk:Talkpagetext. PrimeHunter 22:16, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Hiding the Main Page title is done with sitewide CSS; this wouldn't work on a userpage. You could see {{User:One/Title}} for the effective method to do this; it's a user template that shouldn't be used in articles, but is allowable on userpages. Lowercasing the first letter of your username can instead be done with {{lowercase}}, which is more reliable (the userspace template has been known to cause your userpage to look incorrect to unregistered users). --ais523 08:34, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

What changes to the CSS need to be made to hide the title, I tried the code on another wiki and it's not working. Does something in the CSS need to be altered/enabled for it to work? --User:Charitwo/Sig 03:10, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Strange question

I've been editing Wikipedia for almost a year and I have always wondered the following question: "Are there (or was there) a 'party' in the Wikipedia community?" By party, I mean the same concept as a political party (several editors share a specific point of view on one or more issues and work together to get things done, and support each other in elections, etc.). I know there is the "deletionist" ideology that several Wikipedians seem to share, but was there or is there such a thing as the "deletionist party" or any similar concepts? If not, is there any Wikipedia guideline or policy that forbids it or restricts it?

I am sorry if I posted this in the wrong page, but I didn't think the reference desk was appropriate for a question about Wikipedia.

Thanks in advance for answering!
ZOUAVMAN LE ZOUAVE 21:25, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

There a certainly certain wikipedian ideologies, but no there are not any "parties." See WP:DEMOCRACY which though does not say parties are not allowed does talk about democracy. --Tλε Rαnδom Eδιτor (ταlκ) 21:42, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick answer! ^^

ZOUAVMAN LE ZOUAVE 21:46, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

m:Conflicting Wikipedia philosophies and m:Category:Wikipedian associations may be of interest. PrimeHunter 21:47, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you! Now here comes another question: Can anyone create a Wikipedian association on meta? ZOUAVMAN LE ZOUAVE 21:56, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't know whether there are any guidelines. Category:Wikipedians by Wikipedia philosophy is another way to show your philosophy. PrimeHunter 22:27, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Copper-64 References

I added the copper-64 article today and the appropriate (as far as I know) citations, but there is still a header that says "This article does not cite any references or sources".

How do I fix this problem? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Breakyunit (talk • contribs).

The unreferenced tag was added by the line of wikitext {{unreferenced}} that was at the top of the article. Since you've added so many references I went ahead and removed the tag. --JayHenry 22:12, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

The tag was added to the original version by an editor in [3]. PrimeHunter 22:21, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia policies regarding articles about laws

Does Wikipedia have any policies regarding articles about laws? I have created one such article about a Brazilian law proposal, but I intend to create articles about laws, and I'd like to know whether there are guidelines, templates and such things about that. Also, I'd like to learn how to determine the notability of a law. A.Z. 22:44, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

While I'm not sure about specific templates, unless you might violate the law in question, you need not worry much about special guidelines about them aside from the usual ones. In terms of notability, use common sense, and the generalized notability guideline - I'm pretty sure we don't have a specialized guideline for law notability. There's also a law Wikiproject: WP:LAW. They probably are more knowledgable about the subtleties of writing about law, so I suggest you ask further questions there and join the WikiProject. Nihiltres^(t.l) 23:16, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

See also Wikipedia:Manual of Style (legal). PrimeHunter 23:33, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

I can't find my post

Hello, I just recently posted a term that I created and has now been trademarked "Expectation Hangover." I (thought) I followed all the directions, but my post is not up. I also see when i log into my file that it has been edited. Can you please clarify: 1. How I get it posted so when one goes to wikipedia.com and types in "expectation hangover" the page comes up. 2. How someone was able to edit it if it is not "live"

Thank you ChristineHassler 23:22, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi there, looking at your logs it appears that you created the article on a test page (Wikipedia:Introduction) this page is cleared of all test edits every so often and so your article disappears, To create and article please see. Help:Starting a new page. You might also want to take a look at Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article.

See also Wikipedia:Conflict of interest, Wikipedia:Notability, Wikipedia:Neologism. An article may be deleted. PrimeHunter 23:40, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Hatnote disambiguation usage for names with middle initials

Hi, I've been doing a bit of disambiguation work at Wikipedia:Suggestions for name disambiguation recently. I have been leaving hatnotes for disambiguation in every page suggested. Now I know that per the "Disambiguating article names that are not ambiguous" section in Wikipedia:Hatnotes, not every page should get this kind of hatnote.

In your opinion, would you recommend adding hatnotes to biography articles that are named with the middle initial included (those with the format "First M. Last")? From the articles that I edited recently, the hatnote in Charles C. Stevenson was removed immediately after I added it, and Charles W. Nash has had a couple of edits without having the hatnote removed. Lisatwo 23:36, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, in retrospect, my question was worded incorrectly. I was wondering if there was any consensus that had occurred in the past regarding this issue. The "in your opinion" phrase shouldn't have been included. Also, is it better to post this question at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy) instead? Lisatwo 18:57, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Want to edit Jesus

I want to edit the page on Jesus but the page appears to have been blocked from editing. I can understand why this might be, but I think the etymology section contains a factual error, or at least should present more than one theory. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bishf (talk • contribs)

I say unto thee, this page is only semi-protected, as thou wouldst know by hovering thy mouse over the lock-shaped image; from the time when thou hast registered thine account, it shall come to pass in another five days that thou shalt gain the power to edit this article. When thou dost see the "edit this page" link appearing before thine eyes, thou shalt know the spirit of MediaWiki hath visited a privilege increase upon thee. To whom much is given, much is required. --Teratornis 06:03, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

It's semi protected against unregistered and newly registered users. Any suggestions you have to improve the article can be brought up on the article talk page. Someone will make the changes for you, providing they are sound recommendations. LaraLove 06:04, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

How can I create a FACT protected page?

Hello,

I created a page.. it is the page for actor/producer Johnny Sanchez. I just visited that paged today and it says.on the top of the page, that the information I provided has yet to be proved or verified. I have legitimate sources for the information that I posted and which also helped me create this page.

One of the sources is the actual web page for Johnny Sanchez. That web page is www.JohnnySanchez.com

The other source I used was Mr. Sanchez's web page on the Internet Movie Database.. that webpage is http://imdb.com/name/nm0760977/

And third other source I used was the web page for a stand-up comedian... who has a similar name to Johnny Sanchez... that stand up comedian's name is Johnny A. Sanchez. The middle initial differentiates both artists .. and that web page is also from the Internet Movie Database. http://imdb.com/name/nm1146844/

Can you, kindly, help me make the page/article that I created for Johnny Sanchez a FACT page and also one where the information I created, based on all these legitimate sources I mentioned, is one where the information I provide is information that can not be deleted. You will find that this page is very interesting and filled with fact checked information. I look forward to contributing more to this page that I created since I am a big fan of Johnny Sanchez and the films he has produced.

Thank you for your help.

NeoJediX —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anythingtobefree (talk • contribs)

You need to cite your sources in the article itself. See Wikipedia:Citing sources. --Silver Edge 00:24, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

The entire point of Wikipedia is to allow everyone to edit the articles. Thus, no, you cannot request the article be locked to your version. You do not own the article. Also, you should read WP:V and WP:RS. A person's own website is not a reliable source for citing information on Wikipedia, nor is IMDB since they do not verify the information posted there is accurate. -- Kesh 01:55, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Collapsible navboxes

Hey there, I just noticed collapsible navboxes (like this one). I've been trying to implement for a while something similar on another wiki. Though, after searching for a while without luck, I'm curious which css/js file handles this specifically (class="navbox collapsible autocollapse"). Any help greatly appreciated - thanks! Adys 00:41, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:NavFrame (and MediaWiki:Common.css and Wikipedia:Catalogue of CSS classes). Copying stuff from Wikipedia to other MediaWiki wikis is fun. Also check your MediaWiki version at Special:Version on your wiki, because I think the collapsible navbox stuff needs a recent version of MediaWiki to work. You can also search the Help desk archive for "collapsible", because questions about this have come up before. --Teratornis 05:48, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Indecipherable question

[EMAIL REMOVED] Help-me I have the copy color to the dial this old tube rádio PYE type 49y19 for restauration. I am brasileiro, mi name is Cesar Augusto De Cesaro.

thanks.

Userboxes

How Do You Put That Stuff on your user page that says 'this user is...' and so forth. Is there a list of them? If there is, can some one point them out to me? ありがとうございます。

These are called userboxes. Check out Category:User templates --Adys 00:47, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

And see WP:USERBOX. --Teratornis 05:48, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

i need the recipe for uncle fester's recippe for methenph

steve preisler's recipe for meth.

The Help Desk does not provide information on recipes for illegal drugs. Sorry.

The Rhymesmith 03:09, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Tremore

I have been suffering from tremore and need help of a doctor. Would appreciated if I can contact a doctor in this regards on line.

Thanks/Zamil

Wikipedia does not provide medical advice. Sorry.

The Rhymesmith 03:08, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

See: Wikipedia:Medical disclaimer. --Teratornis 05:38, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

"See also" section...guidelines or policy

Are there any guidelines, recommendations or policies concerning the "See Also" sections that are in many articles? I have not been able to find any guidelines and would like to know what type of content is most appropriate. Thanks. Turtlescrubber 03:34, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

After a few minutes of ctrl+f'ing the manual of style, all I've found is Wikipedia:Manual of Style (headings), which briefly mentions that see also sections are an exception from the normal grammar style for section headings, and Wikipedia:Guide to layout, which discusses them in a slight amount of detail. However, see also sections are really more of a common sense thing, and they aren't particularly legislated to my knowledge.

If you want my personal experience with them, see also sections hold links to other articles that are either related to the subject but you couldn't find a way to link to them in the body, or are highly related so giving them a more prominent link at the end of the page makes sense. (They are often replaced by subject navigation templates in the latter case.) --tjstrf talk 03:43, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Assistance with "deletion" of "XYplorer" from a new user here...

I'm a real newbie here and need some unbiased assistance in how to proceed...the following italicized text is a summary of the limited feedback I received from the admin(?) who appears to have performed the delete, and who initially appears to be inflexible in his opinion of the entry page.

My concern is that we as users of XY were affected by someone or persons who may not have enough knowledge of the product to determine its worth (or locate any sources that may not be at top of Google search hits), especially as compared to other similar products that still have entries here, but which are more obscure and have less users.

Or we may have possibly been the target of an attack from fans/users of another competing product, but it's quite hard to tell if that is the case or not. As stated below, I'm sure that the program author (and us power users) would be satified with any changes needed to make the entry less commercial, but no less than any competing products.

Here's the basic text from that session:

As a loyal XY user, I was surprised and disappointed to discover that we as power users of XY, who are easily contactable via web, were apparently not given any chance to point out those sources that may have helped keep the entry here, or to adjust the entry to better fit with any criteria/requirements needed, which we would have gladly done. We dislike spam/commercial type entries as much as anyone, and would be happy to work with whomever to make an entry that would be acceptable to WP and to us XY'ers.

I do not recognize the ID of the person who made the majority of XY edits, but as they were correct and accurate, we users of XY saw no need to edit it further. Did that help lead to its removal? I would hope not.

Is there something we as XY users can do to help either restore or create a new XY page that meets the criteria needed? Because it IS a valuable piece of software and I would be unable to complete my daily tasks without it.

Thanks! (J Hallgren) (No ID here yet, or I've misplaced it...sorry) 151.203.127.31 21:45, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

I deleted it via WP:AFD not CSD, nothing that can be done, other than WP:DRV which will be Deletion endorse the likely senerio. Jaranda ^{wat's sup} 21:47, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Ok...so how do y'all thus handle all the other similar software products (file managers) that have gotten much less press or coverage than XY? As there are a number of products listed in WP that I believe are definitely more obscure than XY is. 151.203.127.31 22:42, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

I'll be looking here for some guidance, ok? Thank you!

Also, all references to XYplorer have been removed from the comparison tables for File managers. Does XY need to have its own page before it can be in those tables? Just having the product listed there would be a benefit to WP users, IMO.

• As the deleting admin commented, if you want it restored, you'll need to file for deletion review per WP:DRV, but he feels the outcome of the review will be an endorsement of the deletion. Note that it was deleted per a filed case, (ie the deletion was reviewed and discussed), so if you look at WP:AFD and search for the discussion in which the decision was made more light will be shed on the matter. Have a nice day, The Rhymesmith 04:35, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

I've read the Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/XYplorer and it seems that this was somewhat due to edits being done by one person, which may be true, but if what that person wrote is accurate and correct, why would anyone else need to change it? Does that make it vunerable to being deleted?

Also, the discussion there makes no mention of the national web newsletter coverage that XY has received, which while minimal, does show that it has a following in the media. We (as power users of XY) were totally unaware of this discussion and thus had NO chance to provide additional facts or input. We would like the chance to provide this to those who participated in the discussion. How can this be best done?

For example: The two best known sources that have commented on XY are Gizmo Richards who has the well respected 'Tech Support Alert' newsletter which mentions XY in the following category, Best 46 Free Utilities and Fred Langa who wrote the well known LangaList and who took my submission regarding XY and published it, but then making some negative comments that were based on incorrect assumptions by him. Langa List jan 2006

XY is one of those pieces of software that isn't created by a big company with a big advertising budget or staff, but one author working with a group of dedicated power users like myself to solve problems that other more expensive software doesn't. 151.203.127.31 07:43, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

• That only one editor created and edited the article, and that it was his only contribution, indicated that the editor in question was advocating the software in question (ie someone who designed the software, etc.). The actual deletion occurred because the software itself was not shown to be notable enough on Wikipedia. Information in the article was also not sourced. You can recreate it if you can prove why it is notable and source the information. You may also have an admin undelete it if you can persuade one that you can do the above. The Rhymesmith 07:48, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
• Also, if you are connected to the software, do note WP:COI before any action. The Rhymesmith 07:49, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

I DO thank you for your feedback! My connection to the software is strictly voluntary, as I was a new user who posted a bug report to forum for product and was so impressed with author's actions, that I have become the second most frequent poster to the support forum in last 18 months, but I have NO financial connection whatsoever to author. Would that require a COI?

Also, the author of the WP article is someone not recognized by that name on the support forum, as far as I know, so he is unknown to me. Other XY users would have gladly de-commercialized as best we could the article had we known that was a problem, but we are not WP users, it seems. We would likely be very happy with an entry similar to what exists for xplorer2. 151.203.127.31 08:00, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Pretty much, yes, you are involved in it, so it would be a COI for you to create an article on it. As has been pointed out, it was deleted for not meeting our notability requirements, not because of the way it was written-- and do keep in mind that you cannot WP:OWN an article. Simply put, there's just not enough of a reason to talk about your program, so it was removed. xplorer2 looks sketchy too, but remember, even if it passed an AfD, WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS. --L^augh! 08:30, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Ok, so if it would be a COI for me, than would it also be a COI for any user of the product to create it? That might be a Catch-22 situation, since one would most likely HAVE to be a user of it to make an article that is correct, and put the proper entries in that chart that describes various file managers (Comparison_of_file_managers.

I realize that I cannot own an article and do not wish to. Also, using xplorer2 as an example: It has received much more press, yet on the download site Softpedia, XY currently shows 2674 downloads compared to x2 at 4724, so for an "unknown" product, it seems to be quite popular.

It is that article above which is, in effect, a formal review of these various products that is, IMO, incomplete without XY as an option, since there are other products currently there which are SO much more obscure than XY and less well known. So omitting XY makes that chart less valuable to readers of that article, and if XY was documented there, having a stub article that provides the minimal information about XY, would seem appropriate.

To clarify a point: Is it because XY has not received attention/mention from major media, such as PC World, or similar, that really thus causes it to be non-notable? If so, then I would suggest a fair number of products would fail to meet the same criteria. 151.203.127.31 13:59, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Once again, please read WP:N and WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS --L^augh! 18:27, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

I had read those sections, but as a WP noob, I could use a interpretation as it specifically applies to the questions/situations as I've described from a WP guru (or similar). And also, is there a specific number of times that XY would need to be reviewed or mentioned in sources, and must they be actual print or is web published content counted as less worthy? The notability criteria description as I read it doesn't give these answers in detail needed. 151.203.127.31 00:13, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

July 23

Editing the article, "Naphtha"

I am trying to edit a section (Air Sampling for Naphthas) in the article Naphtha, trying to clean it up. The "edit this page" presentation looks okay, but the page renders weirdly. It looks okay down to the subsection "Breathing Zone Air Sampling Procedures". After the bulleted list, in the article there is a section "Active Air Sampler Rate Verification". In the code, however, it is followed by:

"Break both ends of sorbent tube using sorbent tube breaker. Insert sorbent tube into the rubber sleeve of the adjustable low flow holder or tube holder. The arrow on the sorbent tube indicates air flow towards the pump. In the absence of an arrow insert the end of the tube with the smallest sorbent section into the tube holder. Connect the loose end of the flexible tubing into the pump inlet.

Active Air Sampling Method for Naphthas

• Preparation & Calibration

1. Prepare and calibrate the sampling equipment by charging batteries of the active sampler.
2. Verify that sufficient varieties and quantities of detector tubes are available for air sampling......"

This stuff has disappeared.

Further down, in the references, things are fine until you get to reference 4. Then it picks up some, but not all of the missing stuff from the "edit this page" code and, mysteriously, creates a new table of contents.

The following material, while in the wrong place, seems okay. Then comes a paragraph:

""High humidity can severely reduce the breakthrough volumes of adsorbents like charcoal and silica gel."<ref>DiNardi, S (2003). ''The Occupational Environment: It’s Evaluation, Control and Management'', Second Edition, American Industrial Hygiene Association, Fairfax, Virginia, p. 182</li> <li id="_note-TLVs">'''[[#_ref-TLVs_0|^]]''' American Conference of Governmental Industrial Hygienists (ACGIH) (2003) ''TLV’s and BEI’s(R) Threshold Limit Values for Chemical Substances and Physical Agents, Biological Exposure Indices'' ACGIH, Cincinnati, Ohio</li></ol></ref>"

that is truly strange.

I figure that there is some simple error somewhere that causes all of this peculiarity, but I can't find it.

I am not a particularly old hand at Wikipedia editing. Help!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mherr (talk • contribs)

It's not strange, it's routine: someone forgot to close one or more <ref> tags with a matching </ref> tag, such as the <ref name="Plog"> tag. See: WP:FOOT. It's not rocket science, but it is computer science, which is kind of hard too. --Teratornis 05:30, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks...Sprinkling in a few "/"s fixed it all. Mherr 13:21, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Article titles listed in categories

Is there a way to get an article to show up on a category page with a modified version of the article's own name? For example, here is something I came across, and to me it seemed confusing. At Category:National football (soccer) premier leagues, the pipe link is used to get the entries listed in order by country, rather than by their own names. Very good idea. But it leads to some uncertainty, because for many entries there is no indication of what country it represents, other than if it is under the "E" heading, it must be some country that starts with "E". My idea would be to use an alternate title, which would append the country name on those listings that are not immediately identifiable. For example, instead of just being listed as Premier League under "E" and Major League Soccer under "U", the list would indicate Premier League (England) under "E" and Major League Soccer (United States) under "U". But maybe there is no wiki coding to allow this. Is there? — Michael J 05:26, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

See: Help:Category#Sort key. It looks like you're out of luck, according to this excerpt:

• The displayed name is not changed, and, unfortunately, only visible on the edit pages of the members of the category.

MediaWiki's categories are a handy feature, but they are not as flexible as many people (you, for example) would like. Someday we may have more options if MediaWiki obtains semantic wiki features. --Teratornis 05:36, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Question about verifiability

I created a document about a year or so ago about an organization that I am in. Unfortunately someone deleted it and there is no way for me to retrieve that page. I am wondering if I create this page again will it be deleted because it can not be verified in an encyclopedia? There was quite a bit of information that was within that document and the person removed it without notifying me that he would be taking it down. Once they took it down they did not provide an adequate enough response to why they did it. If you search on google.com there is a chance you will see the same information in other websites because I am a member of this organization and I have written quite a few of these entries. So before I put in more work to let people know about my orgnaization I would like to know this information.

Read WP:COI, WP:CITE, and WP:RS. I think those may help you understand the situation, why the information was deleted, and what you need to do to avoid it being deleted in the future. LaraLove 06:00, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Image galleries

On my user page, I have my barnstars arranged in an image gallery. I'd really like to have the barnstars be about half the size they are now and put the text in small tags. How can I do this? I'm pretty sure I won't be able to do it as a gallery, but possibly some sort of table instead. Any help with this would be appreciated. LaraLove 06:03, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Something like this, perhaps:

	This is some text.
	This is more text.
	Here is still more text.
	Here is still more text. Notice that the table will keep stretching to accomodate the widest cell, unless you specify a width.

I know you can specify image size, with gallery tags, but I don't know how much more you can do. Feel free to take a look at this page's source code to see how I put that table together, you can play with image and font size as you please. – Luna Santin (talk) 06:22, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Perfect. Thank you! LaraLove 06:43, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Smart searching

I think it would be a good idea of Wikipedia could add a "smart search" function whereby if you enter a wrong search term, Wikipedia automatically comes up with suggestions that are close to what was entered. So for example, if you were searching for "Madonna" but entered "Madnona" instead, it would automatically ask you if you were really looking for "Madonna".

Many thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.67.203.141 (talk • contribs)

i agree wikipedia should, wikipedia sucks with a smart search. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.96.245.81 (talk • contribs)

This is a perennial problem. Often your best chance is to search on Google with "site:en.wikipedia.org" at the beginning of your search query. Shalom ^Hello 13:07, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Help:Search admits that Wikipedia's built-in search capability is rather weak. This shortcoming has stimulated several third parties to fill the gap. See: User:John Broughton/Editor's Index to Wikipedia#Sea. I find that Google Search on Wikipedia works pretty well and tolerates some misspellings. Google can also search parts of Wikipedia, such as the Help desk archives. You may wish to create links to your favorite searches on your User page, as I did here. --Teratornis 16:16, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

How to create a new page

How do I create a page about something that hasn't already been added?

See Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:Articles for creation. Shalom ^Hello 13:07, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Usha prevedna

introduction od this writer and her achivements —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kimimittra (talk • contribs)

Assuming you spelled her name correctly, Google Search on her name finds nothing, suggesting she hasn't achieved enough even to get her name on the World Wide Web somewhere. (Even my real name shows up in Google Search, and I'm not notable enough for a Wikipedia article.) It's fairly hard for a person who has done anything at all not to show up in Google, suggesting that Usha Prevedna's greatest achievement thus far may be that she somehow managed to keep her name off the Internet. --Teratornis 16:31, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Not so good vibrations

I have to identify sound vibration transmit from neighbor's speakers of the sound system (sound meter was measured beyond 50 dB). But others were unable to hear this sound vibration. I would like to find out why this happen to me.

I have been making reseachs and consultations to MD and others, but No one could find out this situation, so that the neighbor play stereo music all night through, and I hear sound vibration when ever the neighbor play stereo music.

I appreciate your reply to my e-mail address, <email removed to avod spam>

Sincerely,

Ms. Hisae Sander —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.106.119.115 (talk • contribs)

Have you tried the Science section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here's the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps.--Fuhghettaboutit 12:17, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

You might buy your neighbor an iPod and hope he or she will use the earbuds and enjoy music privately. Loudspeakers are incredibly inefficient for entertaining one individual, because only a tiny fraction of the sound output enters the primary consumer's ears. The remaining sound radiates into the environment as noise pollution. The invention of sound amplification has greatly harmed the ability of humans to live in close proximity, and this is actually a serious problem for urban planners who wish to combat urban sprawl and its associated automobile dependency. I read that in some densely-populated areas of Europe there are substantial penalties for people who disturb their neighbors with loud music and other entertainments. Also see: soundproofing. --Teratornis 16:41, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Collapsible templates always display expanded

On my home computer, collapsible templates always display in expanded form, with no show/hide link. I first noticed this phenomenon shortly after installing AWB (and .net). Note that they display correctly on my computer at work, which doesn't have AWB/.net installed. Any ideas? DH85868993 13:40, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

I would suggest making sure that you have the newest version of AWB installed, and checking against any other Wikipedia-related extensions you have to see if they are causing the problem. If you can't figure it out yourself, I would suggest filing a bug report. You'd probably have better luck asking at the AWB pages anyway. Sorry. Hersfold ^(talk/work) 16:24, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

{ {helpme} }

How do i add a page to wikipedia?

See Wikipedia:Your first article and Help:Starting a new page. --Tλε Rαnδom Eδιτor (ταlκ) 14:41, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

"If" switch on templates

Does it now force the text to start a new paragraph? Before it just "went with the flow" and just stayed on one line. For example, on Virginia Cavaliers men's basketball, what should display as "PF/C" displays as:
PF
/C
Can anybody fix this? --Howard the Duck 15:12, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, the problem was being caused by the <noinclude> tags - since they were on the next line in each of the position templates, the template was including the line break just before them. By putting the noinclude on the same line as the position link, the line break is now not included when the template is used. Hope that makes sense, if not, check this diff to see what I did. Hersfold ^(talk/work) 16:32, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Ah, but it looked normal until a week ago. Everything should be fine by now. Wee thanks. --Howard the Duck 16:36, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Updating references

How does one update references on a page?Dlomont 16:09, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

You can add new references in an article by adding the citation at the appropriate place within the article, surrounded by <ref></ref> tags. This will create one of those little numbers^[1] which links to the citation at the bottom of the page, where you place a <references/> or {{reflist}} tag. To update a specific reference, you have to find the first occurrence of that citation and update it within the article. For more information, please see WP:CITE and WP:FOOT. Hersfold ^(talk/work) 16:16, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Block

I think someone has blocked my username to prevent me contributing to articles. I have edited articles about Shropshire in good faith, but there is somebody who objects to any contibution I make. Could it be this person who has blocked me? And how can i undo it? Thanks. I love Wikipedia and would never do anything underhand to harm it.

best wishes,

Justkindness —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.107.168.16 (talk • contribs)

I can tell you right now you're not blocked - if that were the case, you wouldn't have been able to post here. IP addresses do not have the authority to block user accounts - Administrators are the only users which exercise that ability. If another user is causing you trouble, consider going through the steps at Dispute Resolution. If you are worried that you may be at risk of a block, read the policies at WP:3RR and WP:CIVIL carefully and abide by them. If you'd like, I can swing by and offer a third opinion on the matter to try and clear things up. Just let me know here or on my talk page. Hersfold ^(talk/work) 16:42, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

The post here was made by User:88.107.168.16. I assume it was Justkindness (talk · contribs) who is not blocked and edited with the account 12 minutes after posting here. I don't know what caused the idea of a block. PrimeHunter 19:33, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Admin powers

Can admins see if a user is currently online or offline? Can anyone? Thanks.

This can normally be determined by looking at users contributions, this can be done by viewing the users' userpage then clicking User contributions in the left hand-side toolbox or going to Special:Contributions then inserting their username. — Rlest (formerly Qst) 16:49, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

^{(Edit conflict)} Please sign your posts with four tildes (~~~~). Thanks.

The full list of Admin powers can be found here. I do not see that listed among them, nor is this possible for normal users. Many users have a status code which they update manually when they log in, however this is limited to their own userspace and is not used by everyone. Hersfold ^(talk/work) 16:52, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

regarding unauthorized editing of content

Iiitkolkata 17:10, 23 July 2007 (UTC)i want to know about avoidance of unauthorized editing of the content!!!

You'll have to explain this more....— Rlest (formerly Qst) 17:12, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

I guess you refer to bad edits by two IP addresses to IIIT-K International Institute Of Information Technology, Kolkata. This is unfortunate but very common. Nobody owns an article, and there are no "authorized" and "unauthorized" editors of an article. It appears from your editor name that you are closely associated with the institute which is actually considered problematic. See Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. Articles can be protected from edits by IP adresses or by all editors who are not administrators, but it takes a lot more than the problems at the mentioned article. PrimeHunter 18:08, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Removing or changing a picture

Hi,

I have looked through Wikipedia's FAQ section (along with other areas) to find out how to change a picture posted on a wiki page to something new. Unfortunately I wasn't able to find any information on how to do this.

The specific page I would like to help out with is the main page listing for "Gamma World". The current page graphic is rather bad (an old, beat up rulebook cover). I would like to replace it with a new (untattered) picture of the same rulebook, but am unable to swap or change it in any way.

Any help you can give on how to do this would be wonderful.

70.59.147.211 18:01, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

In order to upload images, you will need to register an account. Unregistered users are not able to upload files for security reasons. Once you've logged in, go to the image page here. Near the bottom of the page, you'll see a light blue link that says "Upload a new version of this file". Click on that. You'll be brought to an upload form, where you'll need to use the "Browse..." button to find the image you want to use on your computer (it is assumed that you have already scanned the image or taken a picture of it). Do not type anything in the "Description" box - since you're uploading a new image to the same place, the fair use tags and rationale are already there and don't need to be modified.

Note that the image you want to upload will be copyrighted, and so must meet Wikipedia's Fair Use Policy to the letter. In this situation, you just need to make sure the image you use is of low resolution - all the other criteria have already been met.

For more information, see WP:IMAGE, WP:IUP and Help:Images. I hope this helps. Hersfold ^(talk/work) 20:23, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Uploading text

How do I upload a word document? Fpn1956 18:14, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

You don't. Wikipedia articles are written in wiki markup, usually directly on the website. -- Meni Rosenfeld (talk) 19:54, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

However, there are a few tools for converting Microsoft Word documents to wikitext. See: User:John Broughton/Editor's Index to Wikipedia#Imp. --Teratornis 21:12, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

About the use of ü, from the german language.

A number of pages (such as the "Rüppell's Fox" page) have recently been moved. The move puts a ü in the heading, which is not a letter in the English language. This causes a problem with UK typewrites and can not possibly be an English word. Even the latin version of animal names have the german letter replaced with "ue". Is there some guidance on this? Quite a lot of revernting may have to be done and I would like to be sure of the rules before doing this work. Snowman 18:24, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

As of now, the moves seem to violate relevant policy. It would probably be a wise idea to first check with whoever's been moving them and ask for a rationale, quoting the policy.

Have a nice day,

The Rhymesmith 20:00, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

• I've dropped a note on the admin's talk page. See what he says. The Rhymesmith 20:08, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

The names follow standard English in that is it refers to a person's name; this is not generally changed. The person commemmorated is Eduard Rüppell, not "Edward Rueppell". Check in any English language ornithological textbook, you will only find Rüppell's Warbler, Rüppell's Vulture, etc. I have never seen "Rueppell's" in any textbook, and if that were adopted wikipedia would be going contrary to well established English usage. And, by the way, your claim that "This causes a problem with UK typewrites and can not possibly be an English word" is completely untrue; even my grandfather's 1950s manual typewriter could type ü perfectly easily, and I have never used a keyboard that couldn't type it easily. As for Latin names, that is a policy of the International Commission on Zoological Nomenclature, and has no relevance to either wikipedia or the English language. - MPF 20:43, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

I can speak to the "typewriter" problem (which I suspect refers to computer keyboards, as I doubt many people use actual typewriters to edit on Wikipedia): below the edit window in Wikipedia one should find a box of characters one may click to insert them at the cursor position, including several vowels with umlauts. This is not a comment on whether such characters should appear in English Wikipedia titles, merely a way to type them when they are not available on one's keyboard. --Teratornis 21:09, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

[belated answer moved from parallel thread on talk page]

It turns out that your statement that the ü is "not a letter in the English language" is quite controversial. I don't know of a word in use in English that uses ü, but there are plenty of examples of other diacriticals: naïve, coöperate, flambé, El Niño, Noël, etc. Now, it's true, plenty of English speakers spell these without the diacriticals, or if they leave them in, think they're leaving them in on foreign words, not on English words. But there are plenty of other English speakers who consider these to be perfectly good English words which just happen to retain vestiges of their foreign (or older English in the case of naïve and coöperate) spellings.

Given that both opinions are valid, it's impossible to say which is the "one correct" spelling of the title of a Wikipedia article containing accented characters, just as it's impossible to decide whether we could have an article on color or colour. (And there's even an issue with apostrophes: should our article be on it's or it’s?)

On most modern computers, it's not too hard to type these non-ASCII characters, if you learn the keyboard combinations which your operating system uses. (Many graphical OS'es have keyboard helper applets you can bring up, with buttons you can click on with your mouse to enter the special characters. Wikipedia edit pages, too, have a bunch of special character entry shortcuts listed in blue beneath the edit box, at least if you have JavaScript enabled.)

Even if you can't or don't care to type these characters, on most modern computers and with most modern browsers you can cut and paste them, so they really needn't end up causing too many problems. In particular, if an article has a title you can't seem to type, you can usually cut and paste its name into the [[ ]] (if, for example, you're trying to create a link to the article). Barring that, most articles with diacriticals in their names have redirects in place for unaccented (and other variant) spellings. For example, El Nino (in effect) redirects to El Niño. —Steve Summit (talk) 01:01, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

who are admins?? can they apply permission on pages??

Iiitkolkata 18:47, 23 July 2007 (UTC)who are admins?? can they apply permission on pages??

Hello, Administrators are users on this site whom the community has entrusted with extra tools to help Wikipedia. See the administrator page for more info. Hope this helps. --_Hdt83 ^Chat 18:53, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

aggravated burglary

what is it?

This is for Wikipedia related problems only, sorry. However more information maybe available from the article Burglary. — Rlest (formerly Qst) 19:54, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Wrong page, knowledge questions go on the reference desk. However, since the question interested me, I checked the burglary article and found it has a section on it already: Burglary#Aggravated burglary. Looks to be simply "burglary with a weapon". --tjstrf talk 19:56, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Changing Page Name

For Major Impact Wrestling (I'm a new user but have done minor editing for some time) I would like to know if the name can be changed to Impact Pro Wrestling Australia? Thanks

DaTruGunJack 20:41, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Well pages can be moved using the "move" tab at the to of the article. However, users under four days old do not have that fuction. Also, before making a move, be sure that there is consensus to do so. I  ^{(said) (did)} 20:44, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

For more information, go to Help:Moving a page. @pple 09:52, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Memory Alpha

I believe Memory Alpha belongs to Wikipedia. If a photo appears on Memory Alpha, can we use it on Wikipedia ?

Tovojolo 21:15, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Memory Alpha is hosted by Wikia, Inc.. That article says: "Wikia, Inc. is independent from the Wikimedia Foundation, which operates Wikipedia and other collaborative projects. However, both use the same wiki software application called MediaWiki, maintained by the Wikimedia Foundation. Wikia also uses the GNU Free Documentation License for wikis it hosts, except for Memory Alpha, which uses a Creative Commons license."

I don't know details of photo licenses, but note that many sites (including Wikipedia who tries to avoid it) uses many photos that they are actually not allowed to use. And things like fair use means that some photos are only allowed to use in certain contexts. PrimeHunter 21:44, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Most images used on Memory Alpha are copyrighted by Paramount Motion Pictures Group or one of their companies. In order to use them on Wikipedia, you would have to determine the original source of the image (i.e., not Memory Alpha, but where they got it from) and justify its use here in accordance with Wikipedia's fair use policies. Be very careful when uploading copyrighted images, as uploading them improperly will cause them to be deleted and may result in a block. Hersfold ^(talk/work) 22:37, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Can I add more subheadings?

I want to add some information to a page but it doesn't seem to be relevant to any existing headings. How do I add one?

Look here.

Have a nice day,

The Rhymesmith 22:21, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

You can add new headings to a page by clicking the button that looks like an "A" on your editing toolbar (5th from the left), or by enclosing the heading text in equals signs, like this:

== Level 2 headline ==
=== Level 3 headline ===
==== Level 4 headline ====

For more information, see Help:Editing. Hersfold ^(talk/work) 22:41, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

And see WP:LAYOUT. --Teratornis 00:53, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Also, to avoid making a mistake I just made: evidently the correct Wikipedia terminology for these headers is

== Level 1 headline ==
=== Level 2 headline ===
==== Level 3 headline ====

—Steve Summit (talk) 01:46, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

July 24

Images

How do you edit/improve/change an image thats already on wikipedia.

You have to save the image to your computer, edit it there, and then click the "upload a new version of this file" link near the bottom of the image description page (below where it says "File History"). --tjstrf talk 00:31, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Note: You have at least four-day account to activate this function. @pple 09:54, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Editing a Family Tree

Hello, I was wondering how to edit a family tree, such as the Harry Potter Family Tree article. There is a tree-style table, which appears to be an external link. I can not figure out how to access where the actual tree data is stored, or how to edit it (add family members to it.)

what does the world WIKI means?

Not sure about the world wiki, but for what the word wiki means, see the article Wiki. Prodego ^talk 02:43, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Headline text

where i can get hole details of windows port & short cut keys through run e.g. services.msc

The Computing section of the Reference Desk.

The Rhymesmith 03:28, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Dear Sir.,

I really find the web very much sourceful. I am looking out for articles for JATROPHA plants(BIO FUEL ) agriculture. Cud u pls get me how this plnatation can be done and how to cultivate ....and some success stories.

expecting ur reply.

[EMAIL REMOVED]

Search for the plant in the search box on the left of the page, or ask at the Reference Desk.

The Rhymesmith 03:29, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Should I userfy?

Hello there. I recently used the prod template for my first time to propose the deletion of Haideism. It has since occurred to me that the article may have been intended as a user page, as it is the first edit of the eponymous user. I am confused, however, by the guidance given at WP:USERFY, particularly the section "Not a substitute for regular deletion processes". Is userfication appropriate here? Should I just remove the prod template and attempt to userfy the article myself, or should I wait for community consensus? Thanks for your help. TreeKittens 05:11, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

From WP:USERFY:

In some cases, a new user will inadvertently create an article that appears to be meant as a user page in the main article space. If such an article is made, it is appropriate to move the article to the creator's user page, provided that (1) their user page doesn't already exist, and (2) they are the only editor who has edited the content of the page. It may also be appropriate to move an article that only you have edited into your user space somewhere. If others have edited it, consider a cut and paste move instead of a page move, as the edit history may be more important at the original article.

I decided to be bold and remove the prod and userfy. A prod is just a "without objection" method of deletion, so if anyone objects; the prod can be removed. Although the policy says that it should be moved only if no one else has edited it, I think a prod isn't really the same as an edit. So I've moved and deprodded the page. RJaguar3 | u | t 05:21, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi RJaguar3, and thanks a lot for doing that. Indeed I too should have been bold - but I just wanted to make sure it was the right thing to do. I will delete the prod warning I left on her talk page, and leave her a nice short note to tell her what happened. Thanks a lot for your help. Best regards TreeKittens 05:32, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Help moving over existing page

I wanted to have the article "Hybrid ARQ" under the expanded title, "Hybrid automatic repeat-request", and redirect to it from the abbreviated title. I created a new page with the expanded title, pasted the content from the old page, and replaced the content in the old page with redirect code. But then I read that this is bad because it does not preserve the content history. So I reverted "Hybrid ARQ" to its old state and deleted the new content of "Hybrid automatic repeat-request". Then I renamed "Hybrid automatic repeat-request" to "Hybrid ARQ (temp)" and planned to rename "Hybrid ARQ" to the expanded title. But I can't because the page "Hybrid automatic repeat-request" still exists (and redirects to "Hybrid ARQ (temp)"). How to solve this mess? -Pgan002 05:14, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

I just asked also at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Help moving over existing page -Pgan002 08:00, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

You got the right answer there: Wikipedia:Requested moves is the place to be. You would have gotten the same answer from me here. Please don't ask the same question in multiple places unless you have waited long or it is urgent (it rarely is). 3 hours (during the night of a lot of Wikipedia users) is not long. PrimeHunter 10:07, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Sorry, since most of the questions here did not seem so technical, I was not sure if this is the best place to ask. It seems there are many appropriate places to ask this. Before I got into this situation, how could I have made the main page have the title "Hybrid automatic repeat-request" while still retaining its history, and redirecting from "Hybrid ARQ" to there? -Pgan002 10:40, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

You could have done that by clicking on move - near "edit this page" at the top of any article (if you're logged in). --HughCharlesParker (talk - contribs) 11:40, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

cra business no-reg

Sir/Madam,

This is srikanth from india.I have a clients CRA business no 133140252 of Mr.RobertYoung of A&j houston farms cltd,nw34665 landmark,winnipeg,montiba,canada,ROA 0X0,started in september21,1974.i eould like to have his contact nos[tel/fax/gsm/cdma/satelite no] and /or his email id and co' website.

i would be pleased if you send me the above request to my id [EMAIL REMOVED]

I don't think we can help you out with that. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 05:24, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

This could be Robert Young, of Landmark, Manitoba here at Canada 411.CindyBo^talk 05:41, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Inapropriate behaviour - howto handle

Hi !

I recently became spectator to some rather unpleasant messages, I won't mention the involved usernames here, because I don't want to fan the flames, I merely wish for advice on how best to handle it. It started when user A made some edits to an article where B is a major contribution. Both A and B are native speakers of english, and in general in excellent command of the language.

B responded by belittling and attacking A in a manner I find completely inacceptible. Here a few excerpts posted over the last week on the users talk-pages:

Are you an aboriginal Australian? In that case, welcome to Wikipedia, and our sincere compliments on your splendid command of 
English, considering your disadvantaged background! You do very well, it must be said. We in Canada are very well aware of the 
difficulties that aboriginal Australians face in confronting the 21st century.

Our sincere compliments on your progress thus far, but may one suggest that you explore the possibility of becoming somewhat more 
fluent in English before you start wholesale deleting sections of articles on the English-speaking Wikipedia instead of making 
contributions? We are sure that there must be coaches in basic English in Australia who can help you with attaining fluency in 
English.

Is kindness as to your seriously defective English now considered racist in Australia? I hadn't known! Thank you for advising me 
and the wider Wikipedia community. But if now you propose to enter into the fray as to the editing of Wikipedia articles, 
especially as to matters that are far beyond your ken, dear Madam, you must allow your seriously defective English now to be 
edited with all due punctilio. 

Oh, dear madam, I note that you have urged on my user page that I "be civil." I shall try. Thank you indeed. Shall I in future post
such messages on your own user page? One notes the obvious defects as to civility, grammar and spelling in your many overtures to 
overseas Wikipedia contributors.

The whole thing reads like a deliberate attack. It is very obvious from even a cursory reading of As contribution that she is, infact, a skilled user of english. And even if she wasn't, the attacks would be uncalled for. Stereotyping Aboriginees as "disadvantaged background", that have difficulties "confronting the 21st century" is also borderline racist, imho. Certainly describing the english of a native speaker as "seriously defective" is uncivil.

The use of female honorifics (if that's the word, *I* am not a native speaker of english) also seems designed to belittle, rather than as courtesy. So, basically, what do you recommend I do ? I don't think B should have to accept behaviour such as this.

--Eivind Kjørstad 06:59, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

It does seen unacceptable and violates a number of policies. However, there are some hints that User B is also contributing to the situation. If you don't want to deal with it directly, leave a note on my talk page detailing the two parties and the article, and I'll review and direct it to the appropriate place if a basic warning accomplishes nothing.

Have a nice day,

The Rhymesmith 08:04, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Erasing or Editing 'Contributions'

is there any way to do this?

--Potency 07:19, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Not easily. Why do you want it changed?

The Rhymesmith 08:01, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Simply because edits I later undid were wasting space on the list. However, as editing it is not simple (as I hoped), I suppose it's of little difference Potency 08:07, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

It makes no difference. Changing it would require all sorts of tinkering and wikiwork.

The Rhymesmith 08:12, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Linking an Uploaded Image to a Specific Page

Hi. Yesterday I uploaded a photo 'Mcr Central', which I took myself & wanted to link it to a page named 'Manchester Central'. Unfortunately, I have no idea how to do this - please advise... Also, I would prefer it if the image was Copyrighted to me - please advise. Thanks. J Greenwood

Look at WP:IMAGE.

Have a nice day,

The Rhymesmith 08:06, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Google Analytics

How do I add Google Analytics code to a Wikipedia page? I have added it before to other web sites, but it is different editing on a Wikipedia page.

I don't think that is such a good idea actually. WikiPedia is not MySpace, and even your own userpage is there for supporting the purpose of wikipedia, which is creating an encyclopedia. I don't see how adding hit-trackers contribute to that. --Eivind Kjørstad 09:23, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

There has been some discussion of Google Analytics in Wikipedia's project namespace. --Teratornis 15:23, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

The Wikipedia:Technical FAQ#Can I add a page hit counter to a Wikipedia page? entry only mentions that Wikipedia has disabled the hit counter feature of the MediaWiki software; it says nothing about the possibility of using an outside service to count page hits on Wikipedia. Given the number of requests we get for page hit counters on Wikipedia (this is a frequently asked question, after all), it would be interesting if someone could figure out a way to use an external service so it would not load Wikipedia's servers. I shall have to look at Google Analytics more closely. --Teratornis 15:29, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it would be nice to see how many people visit a page I have helped to create and where from, etc. If anybody has a solution of how to add Google Analytics to a Wikipedia page, please email me to [EMAIL REMOVED]. The closest solution that I can find is adding Google Analytics to MediaWiki at http://www.stoltenow.com/archives/2006/09/adding_google_a.html but this is not quite the same thing as adding it to just a Wikipedia page.

RE: Brianna Rieffel

Im here to ask why people keep deleting Brianna's Rieffel wikipedia. Brianna is a very talented singer and dancer she has her own CD and is on allmusic.com http://allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=11:3pfuxqwrld0e so why cant she have a wikipedia i live in Liverpool but even i know who she is she has made many songs including "The Promise" for a Katrina memorial so i really suggest that people make a wikipedia page for her without deleteing it because she is a talented young singer and dancer aged only 12.

See here. She fails WP:MUSIC notability criteria.

Have a nice day,

The Rhymesmith 08:55, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

---

Thank you for your reply but surely she derserves one many people have become famous for doing nothing or just being related to a celebrity but Brianna made a heartwarming song "The Promise" and she really derserves to have a page and a lot of people also think the same thing http://teenwag.com/code.py/results?n=2516

Re: Voting on the next project to tackle

Hello,

I'm fairly new to this. In voting for the next project, I see many times the line saying to use the template for this, yet I can't find it.

MIGHT I SUGGEST, that a LINK be placed there to take us to the template? I'm sure I'm not the first to worry you with this topic.

Thanks.

Leah DosSantos aka Leahtwosaints —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Leahtwosaints (talk • contribs).

Which vote are you referring to? Please give a link to the page. PrimeHunter 09:58, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Undeleting a Deleted Article

Whilst working on the Editing Accommodation (eye) page, I noticed that a linked page Ronald A. Schachar, M.D., Ph.D. has been deleted. Schachar is a real person and notable figure in the world of Ophthalmology, so I would have thought it valid to have a page. The content was uncontentious: a short profile, plus a list of published papers.

Why would this have been deleted other than vandalism? Is there a process for requesting undeletion, and is so where is this explained? TerryE 10:00, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

I followed the link within Accommodation (eye), and found no record of the Schachar article ever existing. Also, an older version of the Accommodation article has a link to Ronald Schachar, but again: no record of any such article. Normally, an article that has been deleted in the past has a note to this effect at the top of the page. See, for example, Metapedia. Is it possible the article was written under a different name? If not, we may never have had an article on Ronald Schachar at all! If this is the case, and you have some references, you could write one if you like. Charlie-talk to me-what I've done 10:45, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Maybe I am loosing my marbles, but when I first visited this page a couple of months ago, I didn't know of the existence of Schachar. I remember following the link to his page which gave a brief Bio and a list of his publications. That's how I found out who he was. Like you I followed the history etc. and can't find the audit trail. Bizarre, Either someone has hacked into the Wiki audit, or I am getting senile. Occam's Razor would point to the latter :-) TerryE 17:38, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Deletion policy and Wikipedia:Deletion review. Wikipedia:Notability, Wikipedia:Notability (people), Wikipedia:Notability (academics) may also be of interest. I have not examined whether he satisfies those guidelines. Accommodation (eye) has a Wikipedia:Red link to Ronald A. Schachar, M.D., Ph.D. which has apparently never existed. What was the exact name of the deleted page? You can only request undeletion if you give the name. PrimeHunter 10:52, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

By the way, the redlink was changed from Ronald Schachar to the inappropriate (by our guidelines) Ronald A. Schachar, M.D., Ph.D. by User:Ronaldaaron in [4]. It sounds like himself and there are serious Wikipedia:Conflict of interest problems when he claims his own research is right and former research by others is wrong. Talk:Accommodation (eye)#Different theories claims that Schachar's theory has less support than the former. I don't know the subject and cannot evaluate the claims, but it looks to me like placing {{COI}} would be appropriate until the article becomes more neutral. PrimeHunter 11:16, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

I am a layperson as far as this field goes but became interested because I was a cataract patient researching in this area. We are talking medicine here and theories are not really testable in the Karl Popper sense. What is at debate here is a specific mechanism to do with the eye's ability to focus. Most agree that the main actor here is a muscle structure called the ciliary ring and the object is the crystalline lens that is contained in a capsule that the ring surrounds. Everyone today seems to agree that the action of the muscle ring changes the geometry of the lens and hence its focal length. The heated debate is over whether contraction increases (Helmholtz) or decreases (Schachar) the power of the lens. Both have plausible mechanisms; the only problem is how one manages to prove one or other in an ethically acceptable fashion. (I realise that this may sound a bit like the battle of the Lilliput and Blefuscu over the 'correct' end for eating an egg, but what ho!).

Schachar is certainly eligible for a page under the Wikipedia:Notability (academics) criteria.

In such a debate it is difficult to avoid a COI, but surely one way is to have an unbiased overview and then to allow the two proponents (or supporters) to summarise their argument? Surely we should treat our readership as adults. As long as the two arguments are balanced and it is clear to the reader that they are opposing views then we can let the reader decide. The alternative is to drop the article down to some anodyne common demoninator and all would loose out. It is this middle course of balanced alternatives that I would prefer. TerryE 17:38, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia has lots of articles on controversial topics. See: Wikipedia:Guidelines for controversial articles, Wikipedia:Resolving disputes, and Wikipedia:Ownership of articles. Also see User:John Broughton/Editor's Index to Wikipedia where I looked up those links. --Teratornis 18:13, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Ronaldaaron (talk · contribs) made 9 consecutive edits to the article within 30 minutes on July 12, and has made no other Wikipedia edits, so there does not appear to be an active dispute between two sides. I suggest somebody (for example TerryE) tries to make the article satisfy Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. If it then turns out that Ronaldaaron is watching the article and protests, then some form of dispute resolution may be considered at some point, but let's not start any process before it becomes necessary. If the article is not made more neutral within a couple of days then I will place {{COI}} on it (but not attempt to edit it myself). PrimeHunter 20:20, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

I can do this, but can you give me until the weekend. (I will need to tread a careful path here because there is an active debate here, if not an actual dispute -- it's just not being played out in Wikipedia at the moment.) The rest of the week is going to be hectic in terms of my day job :-( TerryE 23:09, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

You may wish to describe what you plan to do on the article's talk page: Talk:Accommodation (eye) before you actually do it, and you could leave a note on User talk:Ronaldaaron telling him to look at your plans on Talk:Accommodation (eye) before you implement them on the Accommodation (eye) article. Often on Wikipedia, people just edit stuff without making any attempt to explain their plans ahead of time, and that strikes me as a rather aggressive approach. But it is faster to be "inconsiderate," hence: WP:BOLD. --Teratornis 02:26, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. I was also intendng to "Talk" to a couple of the contributors who are active on a related page (Cataract Surgery), who are clearly domain experts (Optholmologists) and probably reasonably unbiased in this to see if they were comfortable with my draft before I move it into the main article. TerryE 23:09, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

I will not place {{COI}} this week. Maybe you could ask for comments on the talk page of Wikipedia:WikiProject Anatomy or Wikipedia:WikiProject Ophthalmology. PrimeHunter 00:03, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Kindermusik

Hi Wiki people

The article kindermusik refers to Kindermusik International as the creators of the phrase "kindermusik", and is an advert for the courses offered by that United States based company. The phrase "kindermusik" is a widely used, common term throughout Europe that relates to music education for early years, particularly in Germany (the phrase being German for "children's music"). Kindermusik International would appear to be using Wikipedia to attempt to substantiate a claim for copyright of the phrase, which has not yet been granted, and is contested by many music education providers, in Europe.

Kindermusik - German usages of the word not related to Kindermusik International: http://www.phpbb2plus.de/shop/Music/browse-255956.html http://www.haber-manfred.de/kindermusik/index.html http://www.rainerwenzel.de/start.htm http://hamburg.kinder-stadt.de/buecher/sternschnuppe.htm http://www.lostinmusic.de/lim/kindermusik.htm

This page contains hundreds of links to kindermusik: http://forum.kindergarten-workshop.de/ftopic27576.html

It's hard to know what you are asking here (which might explain the lack of any quick answers). If you have a concern about the Kindermusik article, you could describe your concerns on its talk page: Talk:Kindermusik. See Help:Talk page. Wikipedia also has a number of templates you can use to tag articles that have problems (such as reading like an advert). --Teratornis 02:40, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Link Help

Could you please help me link the articles I wrote on Atheistic Deism, Paradox of nothingness, and Prime Observer to each other and to articles on Atheism, Deism, Idealism, and Theism? Any help would be greatly appreciated. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Alumno deVerum (talk • contribs) 10:28, 24 July 2007.

I've left a welcome message on your talk page that has links to a lot of wikipedia pages that should help you out. I'd recommend that you start with the Wikipedia:Tutorial and Wikipedia:Verifiability. If you still have questions, put the {{helpme}} tag back on your talk page, or ask another question here. --HughCharlesParker (talk - contribs) 10:57, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

I was just looking at Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikify and it lists a tool you might like:

• Can We Link It? - tool for suggesting and adding possible wiki links to articles. Progressively learns what's a good and a bad link. See here for more info. Also checks for unbalanced wiki syntax, which is sometimes a problem when articles are added by new users.

I have not tried this yet; let us know if you get any useful result with it. Also, when you ask a question about an article on the Help desk, it's helpful if you link your article titles by placing them in double brackets, so Help desk volunteers can easily see what you refer to:

• Atheistic Deism
• Paradox of nothingness
  • Note: you did not actually create this article, which is why it appears above as a red link as I type my reply; instead, your contributions indicate that you typed this content into the Wikipedia:Introduction page, where it has since been overwritten by other new users' experimental edits. You can see your edits in the history of the Introduction page at this link.
• Prime Observer

Be sure to see: Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory/Culture/Philosophy and religion. You should find a WikiProject that deals with the subject matter of your articles, and join that WikiProject. That will help you coordinate your efforts with other editors who share your topic interests.

Also see: Wikipedia:Why was my article deleted? to see what could happen to your new articles if they violate some of Wikipedia's complicated policies (which are often unintuitive to new users who haven't read the friendly manuals yet). --Teratornis 02:56, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Writing articles for your Friends

Hi, I was woundering If it is possible of writing articles about my friends, which would not be published or deleted or be in violation of the rules. The articles would not be viewable by the public and they would not contain any copywrite infringements. It is for fun only. Please write back, if allowed please tell me how to write the articles without vandalising any other articles trying to make a article of my friend. Thankyou for your time, Capt.BashCapt.bash 12:57, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Easy. Get a server. Install Mediawiki on it (the program that Wikipedia uses). Then, write all the articles you like. You can limit who views them and who edits them. -- Kainaw^(what?) 14:22, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

As implied by Kainaw, Wikipedia should not be used for your purpose. If you don't want to make your own wiki then maybe you can find a suitable existing wiki at http://wikiindex.org. PrimeHunter 14:36, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Maybe http://www.wikibios.com/ is of interest. It doesn't appear to use the MediaWiki software that Wikipedia uses. PrimeHunter 14:45, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

On Wikia there seems to be a Biographies wiki (but strangely, the description page says this wiki is for autobiographies, a restriction that makes little sense to me, given that a wiki is a web site that anyone can edit). All Wikia wikis use the MediaWiki software. --Teratornis 15:01, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

I was actually working on the previous topic but noticed this one. Have a look at http://scratchpad.wikia.com/. This offers a place to play to your hearts content. TerryE 23:15, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

cng refueling information

The Department of Energy maintains a website for locating alternate fuels for vehicles http://www.eere.energy.gov/afdc/infrastructure/refueling.html

In traveling around the country in my compressed natural gas (CNG) vehicles, I have found that the information on this website is woefully outdated. In some instances, it is worse. If you're low on fuel or you don't have a gascard, and you rely on this information, you may be stranded at a non-existent or inoperative or inaccessible fueling station. Also, most of the stations listed are private and are useless to you and me. It is possible that in an emergencey one could negotiate with the owner, but there is no information about this, and phone numbers are often wrong or not answered by a warm body. I have talked to a lady high up in the DOE about the problem, but I have seen no changes in the website.

I propose a wiki-type information source that users of the alternative fuels could update and comment on, listing stations by state, and containing updated information on each listing. I do not know if Wikipedia would be a good choice for this, but there really need to be provisions for users to update information. Comments? Terylgar 13:10, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

P.S. It is a bit confusing as to how to send this message. Save page? If you get this message, I guess I figured it out, but its not obvious.

Wikipedia probably would not be the most suitable venue for this type of information, because:

• Wikipedia is not a directory
• Wikipedia wants no original research
• Wikipedia wants only information that is verifiable in (previously published) reliable sources
• Wikipedia is not a how-to guide nor a travel guide

Thus you should search WikiIndex for suitable alternative wikis which would welcome this type of information, and which will not hobble your ability to record your firsthand information with a bunch of requirements for encyclopedic content. Wikicars may be a suitable choice. And in regard to your P.S., you did send your question correctly; you even remembered to sign it. The Help desk functions according to the talk page guidelines even though it is not technically a talk page. --Teratornis 14:48, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Posting Accredited in Public Relations Wiki

Hello:

I have tried, unsuccessfully, to post content on Wikipedia regarding the Accreditation in Public Relations (APR), the only sanctioned industry advanced accreditation for Public Relations Professionals. I received a notice stating that the posting was not appropriate because it was too self-serving.

Please note: The APR program has been around since 1964. It truly represents a mark of distinction for public relations professionals. Other accreditations -- like the CPA -- are on Wikipedia. Why not the APR?

I'm a member of the Universal Accrediatation Board, which administers the Accreditation. My suggested content is below:

Accredited in Public Relations/APR Accredited in Public Relations (APR) is a voluntary certification program for industry professionals, and is considered the mark of distinction for those who demonstrate commitment to the profession and to its ethical practice. Those who earn the APR demonstrate a broad knowledge, strategic perspective, and sound professional judgment of modern public relations. Currently there are more than 5,000 public relations professionals who hold the APR. The Accreditation process is administered by the Universal Accreditation Board, a consortium of nine leading public relations organizations. The public relations organizations that are members of the Universal Accreditation Program include the Agricultural Relations Council, Florida Public Relations Association, Maine Public Relations Council, National School Public Relations Association, Public Relations Society of America (PRSA), Religion Communicators Council, Southern Public Relations Federation, Texas Public Relations Association and Asociación de Relacionistas Profesionales de Puerto Rico (Puerto Rico Public Relations Association). The Accreditation program was established in 1964. Its fundamental purpose is to unify and advance the profession by identifying those who have demonstrated broad knowledge, experience and professional judgment in the field. The Accreditation process is designed for professionals with five or more years of industry experience. To earn the APR, candidates first must complete a written submission to a series of questions on professional experience, their company or organization and readiness to complete the program. If the written submission is approved, the candidate schedules a Readiness Review with a panel of seasoned public relations professionals and presents a portfolio of work. The final element is successfully passing a computer based Examination, which tests the candidate on knowledge, skills and abilities in the practice of public relations. Those who earn the Accreditation can retain the designation for life. However, every three years APRs must complete a maintenance application that details qualifying professional development activities, as well as keep current membership in one UAB member organization. To learn more visit http://www.praccreditation.org/index.html .

Can you please offer some insight? Thank you.

Edward M. Bury, APR Director of Public Relations

CCIM Institute 430 N. Michigan Av., 8th Floor Chicago, IL 60611 — Preceding unsigned comment added by EdwardMBury (talk • contribs)

See: Wikipedia:Business' FAQ, Wikipedia:Companies, corporations and economic information (Manual of Style), WP:CITE, WP:RS, WP:COI, and WP:WWMPD. Also watch out for promotional language. --Teratornis 15:06, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Improving an existing image

An existing image on your site is of poor quality. I have downloaded it and improved it to remove darkness. How do I replace the existing image with the improved one?

Just upload it (with the same name; you'll need to be logged in) and that will replace the existing version. Make sure to leave an explanation of what you've done in the "Summary.." field on the upload page, saying something like "adjusted contrast to eliminate excessive dark areas" so something. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 15:27, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Comparision

Is there any way to a parser function comparison ignore certain characters so you could have:

X 4 X X 1 = 4 4 2 6 1

Thanks for any help. -Icewedge 15:56, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your question. Please note that the purpose of the Help desk is for asking questions about Wikipedia. You may wish to try the proper category of the reference desk where there will probably be someone who can assist you. --Nick—^Contact/_Contribs 16:56, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

This is about using Wikipedia, parser functions are a more advanced type of MediaWiki syntax. Since parser functions are unique to WP the reference desk wouldn't be much help. -Icewedge 17:02, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Sorry about that, thanks for pointing out my error. Hopefully someone here with experience with parser functions will be able to assist you. --Nick—^Contact/_Contribs 17:07, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

You could try asking on Wikipedia:Village pump (technical). --Teratornis 18:03, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Ok I will try that, thanks guys. -Icewedge 18:13, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Linking to Wikipedia

I'm using Xenu (http://home.snafu.de/tilman/xenulink.html) to check my website for broken links. I have two links in it to Wikipedia. In both cases, Xenu lists the links to Wikipedia as broken with 403 errors (forbidden request). There don't seem to be any mistakes in the Wikipedia URLs I'm using. Is it really forbidden to link to Wikipedia, is there some special way to do it, or is Xenu just in error? Thanks for your help on this.

Prestonpdx 16:41, 24 July 2007 (UTC) Preston Smith

Hi Preston and thanks for your question. It is not forbidden to link to Wikipedia, so I have no idea why you'd be receiving 403 errors. To check if you are using the proper link format, make sure your links follow the following example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArticleName where "ArticleName" would be the name of the article you are trying to link to. Spaces should be formatted with underscores (_). If the program is still telling you that there is a problem with the link, it is probably a bug within the software. You may wish to provide us with a link to the site you are referring to, so one of us could check the links for you. --Nick—^Contact/_Contribs 17:01, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

my question

Dear Brother in Islam

Assalamalykm O rahmath ullhi o barkatuhu

I have five (5) children last (2) two was born by operation and my wife is now in normal health and my last baby is about 3 months old and presently now my wife is having pregnancy of four (4) week.

At the time of last operation Doctor told wait for few years for next birth.

My worry and question is that in the light of above statement; can I go through dissolve of my wife new Hamal. Please guide me at the earliest.

Jazakala khair

my Email

[EMAIL REMOVED] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 121.247.115.98 (talk • contribs) 17:27, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your question. Please note that the purpose of the Help Desk is obtaining Wikipedia-related help. Questions about specific non-Wikipedia topics are handled at the reference desk. I would like to point out, however, that medical advice questions are generally not answered at the reference desk (see Wikipedia's medical disclaimer). --Nick—^Contact/_Contribs 17:41, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Can I use this picture?

The picture on the following page is from a magazine published in the 1800s. Can it be used in a Wikipedia article?

http://www.clarkart.edu/exhibitions/homer/ia/ts.cfm?ObjectID=119

MarkinBoston 18:03, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes. If you upload it, you can tag it as public domain since its copyright is expired. Public domain images can be used anywhere on Wikipedia. Nihiltres^(t.l) 20:10, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Editing an article with no link or tab

I want to make a minor grammatical correction to the "Treblinka Extermination Camp" article, but there are no edit buttons OR edit tabs at the top of the page.

Usually, when a page is disabled from editing, there is a brief explanation at the top--this article has none. Any ideas?

Grumpy otter 19:08, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

It has been semi protected. You may have tried it just as the protection was being applied, before the notice had gone up. AndrewJDTALK -- 19:33, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the response--the notice is on the article now.

Grumpy otter 10:30, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Excel table to wiki table conversion

What is the quickest and easiest way to convert an excel table into a wikitable?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 19:26, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

See WP:TOOL#Microsoft_Excel, there seems to be a solution there. Nihiltres^(t.l) 20:08, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

I think the instructions were written for Excel 2003. I have Excel 2007 and can't seem to follow the instructions.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 01:14, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Actually, it is probably not that, but when I get to step 7 I have no code to copy.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 01:22, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

I have figured a workaround.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 01:46, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

You may also wish to see:

• http://area23.brightbyte.de/csv2wp.php
• de:Benutzer:Duesentrieb/csv2wp (en)

--Teratornis 02:12, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

how to comment out?

An easy one here. I've seen various things "commented out" while editing and forget how it's done exactly. Can anyone show me? Thanks. semper fictilis 20:35, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Do you mean like this?

The Rhymesmith 20:37, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

(ec) Just use <!-- at the beginning of the text you want to comment out, and put --> at the end. — Malcolm (talk) 20:39, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

If you are talking about this, just use <s>strike out text</s> --_Hdt83 ^Chat 21:08, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

font size change

21:04, 24 July 2007 (UTC)~~

The answer is 42. Seriously, what is your question? AndrewJDTALK -- 21:07, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

You can make font sizes incrementally bigger and smaller by using the <big></big> and <small></small> tags. You can set a specific font size by using <span style="font-size: 12pt;"></span>.

Big text - Small text - 14 pt font

If that's not what you were asking, then please let us know. Also, you can check Help:Editing for more information on wikimarkup. Hersfold ^(talk/work) 22:20, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

For more about 42, see: 42 (number) and Minor characters from The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy#Deep Thought. Just in case the cryptic answer to your cryptic (non) question was a bit too cryptic. --Teratornis 03:12, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Teratornis, you make perfect sense. AndrewJDTALK -- 19:10, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Thumbnail picture at Tera Patrick

I added a thumbnail of a picture to the Tera Patrick article down in the awards and prints section, yet the thumbnail shown is not what you see if you click through. Can anyone tell me why there is that difference? Tabercil 21:41, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Ah... no. I have to assume that it's some sort of problem on Commons, though, as that's where the image is from. You can try asking there...? Hersfold ^(talk/work) 22:26, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

bug 10686 submitted to devs. --ST47Talk·Desk 22:33, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

can i copy content

hi can i copy an article on wikipedia and keep it on my computer or is it illegal to do this?--Gustyfalcon 21:56, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Hello. That's perfectly fine to do, see Wikipedia:Copyrights for more information. --Nick—^Contact/_Contribs 21:59, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

If you want to copy a lot of Wikipedia content, see: WP:DUMP. See: Wikipedia:Mirrors and forks for lists of sites that do what you want to do, but on a larger scale, and for the world to see. --Teratornis 03:07, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

funny low-res preview of an image I uploaded

I recently uploaded an image, but the preview provided on that page shows an off-center version of the image. Clicking on the full resolution version, however, does render correctly (at least in my browser). Any ideas what's going on? Maybe the encoder I used to create the PNG uses a feature that WikiMedia doesn't understand? Is there an "image clean-up" project that I could ask for help? Thanks, Lunch 23:01, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Nevermind, I created another version. Lunch 00:01, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

July 25

Article titles in big bold letters

How do we put in a new Title without having to edit on another article that doesnt have the updated title? This question is for a Fairly new political party forming in the northwest particularly in the state of Oregon.

Thank you, and I will be looking forward to your comment back to solve this problem. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Shamoo2233 (talk • contribs).

Your question isn't especially clear. If you want to change an article title, you'll have to move it. Instructions can be found at WP:MOVE.

If the article is being written by the party, do note WP:COI and Wikipedia:Notability.

Have a nice day,

The Rhymesmith 01:35, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Based on the editors hijacking [5] of an unrelated article with similar name, the question probably refers to how to create a new article. In that case:

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Help:Starting a new page. You might also look at Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation.

I have reverted The Brotherhood (comic) to the version about the comic which is what should be at that name. The last version before my reversion is this which is unsuitable as a Wikipedia article. PrimeHunter 02:04, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

The article was unsourced and put together, the 8 "Core members" of The Brotherhood have a grand total of zero Google hits on their names. This looks like either non-notable or a hoax. PrimeHunter 02:23, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Images and Articles

How can I submit a documented image and article? I discovered a natural phenonenmon on a piece of wood slice. The story hit the front page of the local newspaper and channel CW 39 news. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4.231.157.219 (talk • contribs) 01:57, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your question. Firstly, I would like to point out that there's a possibility that the phenomenon you mention is not notable under Wikipedia guidelines (see Wikipedia:Notability). Nonetheless, for information on creating articles see this page and see this page for information on uploading images. --Nick—^Contact/_Contribs 02:06, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Sockpuppetry

Is it possible to sockpuppet from the use of different IP#'s all from the same location? I know that usually it's considered that from different accounts, but I'm not sure if it's the same for IP#'s. --Candy156sweet 02:17, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Technically, sockpuppetry refers to any case in which an editor edits from another name, but the sockpuppetry guidelines apply per person. Which means any editor found to have broken 3RR across however many IPs or accounts is in violation. The Rhymesmith 02:43, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

(ec) Sure. A single user can have access to multiple IPs from the same location or use open proxies to edit. If there's a similar editing pattern from different IPs, they may be sockpuppets or meatpuppets. WODUP 02:23, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Of course, it could be someone with a dynamic IP address. WODUP 02:32, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Image Question

This is a follow up question to my question posted July 23 under the listing 5.16:

The image I am attempting to replace isn't mine and apparently the "blue upload" option link to replace it isn't available to me because of this. Should I submit the image directly to an administrator for the fix, or is there something else I should try first?

Thanks :)

I'm not sure exactly what you're asking. As long as you have created an account you should be able to upload images. If you want a different image, you can always upload it to a slightly different name and then edit the page to use that image. Does that make sense? --JayHenry 05:11, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Merging

On many of the new Harry Potter related articles that have been popping up since the new HP book has come out are being proposed for deletion. Many of the deletion proposals have scattered "keeps", "merges", and "deletetions". I think people should try to come to a consesus so this doesn't go on forever. Should I just close down the proposal and count up the votes for merges, keeps, and deletions? Another question, many of the votes for "keep" in the deletion proposal are coming from IP address that have little or no edits that are pretty much created to vote aginst deletion of these articles; we souldn't really just discard their votes, but they really probably don't know much about Wikipidia's policies at all. Should these votes be "counted"? Thanks,  Bella Swan_(Talk!) 03:10, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion is not a vote, and debates should run for at least 5 days in most cases. There are editors who know the relevant policies much better than you and will close discussions according to those policies. Please don't do it yourself. PrimeHunter 10:51, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks.  Bella Swan_(Talk!) 13:35, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

chat rooms

how do i access chat room?[[Category:[[Category:[[Category:#REDIRECT [[#REDIRECT [[]]]]]]]]]]

There are no chat rooms on Wikipedia;Wikipedia is purly a free online encyclopedia. No chat rooms involved.  Bella Swan_(Talk!) 03:44, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Take a look at Wikipedia:IRC channels. WODUP 03:45, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Starting a new page

My company, DeLuxe Innovations, does not have a Wikipedia page. We are the largest exclusively N scale manufacturer in the model railraod industry. My former employer, Altas Model Railroad Co., does have a page. I tried to add a page but it was deleted as blatant advertising. How can I add my company to the industry section without it getting deleted? Thank you.Mrgigabyte 04:35, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

I appreciate that you'd like an article about your company on Wikipedia. I don't mean to give you a reading list, but there are multiple policies that govern the creation of articles about companies. Firstly, your company must meet the notability guidelines found in WP:CORP for an article about it to exist. The article must also be written from a neutral point of view (policy at WP:NPOV). Finally, Wikipedia has a conflict of interest policy (WP:COI) that prohibits the creation of content by individuals who may pose a conflict of interest with the subject matter. As you are a member of the company, it's almost always considered inappropriate for you to create content about that company. If you can find reliable primary and secondary sources about your company, you could always request that the article be written at Wikipedia:Articles for creation. I hope this helps! --Nick—^Contact/_Contribs 04:46, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

See also Wikipedia:Business FAQ. PrimeHunter 10:42, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Nick, you almost seem to imply that reading lists are bad things. While most people can probably think of some things they would rather do than plow through software manuals (for example, I might prefer a date with Petra Nemcova, where she pays, which would only be appropriate considering her net worth), the fact that almost everything a person could need to know about how to edit on Wikipedia is in writing (and generally written well) is a very large part of what makes Wikipedia suck far less than most of the World Wide Web. Since almost every instruction to handle almost every situation that comes up while editing on almost any subject is in writing, and is relatively easy to find, Wikipedia gains an almost incredible level of efficiency. Anybody who can read and follow instructions can easily self-educate enough to contribute productively here, while placing very little incremental labor burden on more-experienced users to train him or her. Experienced users can provide guidance in the form of links to manual pages, and this is a potent force multiplier. Of course the downside of Wikipedia's heavy reliance on written instruction is that anyone who is not able or willing to self-educate from reading manuals is unlikely to have the best possible editing experience here. But we also have written instructions for them, such as: Wikipedia:Why was my page deleted?. --Teratornis 14:42, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Blocked

I have been blocked for editing my article. Please let me know why this been happened. This is my page "Laser Technology" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sahinfo (talk • contribs)

You have not been blocked. It looks like the article Laser technology was deleted because it was classified as WP:SPAM. I can't see what the article used to look like, but is it possible that the article you created was primarily an advertisement? --JayHenry 05:16, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

I saw the article before it was deleted. It did look mostly like an advertisement. Someone had added the {{block}} template at the end of the article, which is probably why Sahinfo thought they had been blocked. DH85868993 05:36, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Adding external links

I realize that Wikipedia does not want to be an expository of external links but as an expert in the field of agritourism, I feel that the 20 external links I have chosen meet the required standards and are of appropriate Wikipedia educational value. Would it be better to add such links to the Open Directory Project or can I continue here? I have a student working with me to transfer such external links from other tourism/travel related links I currently have on my academic webpage as well, some with more than 20 external links. I think these could be valuable additions to Wikipedia's 'Tourism Project' but I can and will cull certain sites accordingly during this transfer process. Please advise.D'Arcy 05:59, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Assuming they meet the required standards, include them where you think they would be best. If in doubt, mention it on the article's talk page. Ensure compliance with Wikipedia:External Links and you'll be fine.

Have a nice day,

The Rhymesmith 06:33, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

hey.....there s some problem in putting up the right title to the page i created.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Puri.pallavi

well....if u ve seen the page it should be clear that the topic is my user name and not "embedded Advertising" please help me with it... regards pallavi --Dont assume. It makes an ass of you and me!!! 06:47, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

I'll reply on the user talk page. Shalom ^Hello 06:59, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Pallavi, to clarify, are you trying to create a new encyclopedia article called "Embedded advertising"? Because what you have actually done is to add some text into your personal user page (that's why it displays your username at the top). If you're trying to create a new article, see this page. A couple of points to note:

• According to Wikipedia:Naming conventions, the correct name for the new article would be "Embedded advertising", i.e. with a lower case "a" in "advertising"
• You may wish to consider whether the information you are adding is already covered by the existing Product placement article, and/or whether it might be better to add information to Product placement rather than creating a new article.

DH85868993 07:53, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Transpotation Advertising campaigns

Could you please help me with transportaion advertising campaigns in regards to long distance services targeting mines and processing plants.

The help desk is for Wikipedia-related inquiries only. If you wish to learn more about that subject, please direct your inquiry to the Miscellabeous Division of the Reference Desk.

Have a nice day,

The Rhymesmith 08:23, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

downloading wikipedia hebrew articles

Hi , I would like to download wikipedia articles in Hebrew. I didn't succedd finding instructions of how to do it. Please notice that encoding problem amy also be encountered. Could you help? Thanks in advance 132.68.36.197 07:56, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

If you want to download articles written in the Hebrew language, your best bet would be the appropriate-language Wikipedia, and their Help Desk.

Have a nice day,

The Rhymesmith 08:26, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

I believe you want , the hebrew language wikipedia. Matt/TheFearow (Talk) (Contribs) (Bot) 08:36, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Start here: Hebrew Wikipedia. --Teratornis 14:43, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Lindsay Lohan

What is Wikipedia'a attitude to police mug shots ? Are they regarded as "free" photos ?

As Lindsay Lohan has been arrested and her police mug shot has been released to the public.

Can that photo be considered to be in the "public domain" and therefore "free" ?

Can it be used on Wikipedia as a free photo ?

Tovojolo 08:48, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

You can search the Wikipedia: namespace for "mug shot" and for "arrest photo". That finds some discussion about mug shots, and some links to uploaded image files, such as:

• Image:Walter-lagrand.jpg

The copyright information on the above photo suggests it is not a free image. From that image page, we find our way to: Category:Mug shots and {{Mugshot}}. --Teratornis 15:00, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

You will have more luck asking this question at Wikipedia talk:Non-free content. Neil ╦ 14:49, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

2 years, you'd think I would know this...

I've never uploaded any images. Hard to believe, but I realized it when I went to upload one of my own photographs. I used the "my own work" page, filled in all the fields, explained that I own the picture, gave permission for use, etc. I know it was successful:

[04:38] <+MiszaBot> User User:ArielGold Uploaded [[Image:Amy Grant in 1998.jpg]] "I took this photo at Amy Grant's 1998 Behind the Eyes tour. I've never distributed it except to use it on my personal web site. It should be uploaded to Amy_Grant in the Infobox: musical artist."

However, the image does not show up on the page. It gives the size, height, width, etc, but nothing. I searched the talk page for image uploading, various help pages, but did not find anyone else who asked this question, so here I am, a veteran asking a silly question. :) Forgive me. Hoping someone can assist me ^Ariel♥Gold 08:48, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

To add an image to a page, you must link to the image page, like this: [[Image:Amy Grant in 1998.jpg]]</nowiki. That will appear as [[Image:Amy Grant in 1998.jpg]]. In the case of the infobox, you want to change the line: <nowiki>Replace this image female.svg<!-- Only freely-licensed images may be used to depict living people. Please see [[WP:FU]] before adding an image here. --> with:

Image:Amy Grant in 1998.jpg

Enjoy! Matt/TheFearow (Talk) (Contribs) (Bot) 08:55, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Matt, but I think you misunderstood. The issue isn't that I do not know *how* to add an image to a page, but that the image is not there at all. Check the image page, you'll see it shows the image size, but there is no image. :) ^Ariel♥Gold 09:02, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

You mean you can't see the image when you go to Image:Amy Grant in 1998.jpg? It does appear for me, so this seems to be a technical issue. If the image does not appear what do you see? Do you see a box with a small red cross in it? I would suggest bypassing your cache when you are on the page and seeing if that fixes the problem.

However, there is another issue. You have not placed a copyright tag on the image page. This is very important, so you should read Wikipedia:Image copyright tags and add the appropriate tag immediately or else the image may be deleted. Raven4x4x 09:07, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

I do not see the image. I've cleared the cache. I do not see a box with a small red cross. I've loaded the page in both IE7 and Firefox 2.0.0.5 and it is not there. I do see all other images on Wikipedia (it is not an issue that an add-on is blocking images.)

When I was at the upload screen, I did select the dropdown box that said "I own this picture" and there seemed to be nothing else to do. *shrug*. Thanks for the help. ^Ariel♥Gold 09:14, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Okay I put a tag, not sure if it is the right one, but the image still isn't there so I don't know what good it does, lol. ^Ariel♥Gold 09:20, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Ah, when I right-click the image and look at Properties, I see the location of the image is http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/ad/Amy_Grant_in_1998.jpg Notice the /ad/ in the path; this has been known to cause ad-blocking software to stop the image from appearing. I can't remember how to fix this though; I'll try re-uploading the image. Raven4x4x 09:36, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Hrmm, it is strange that IE7 would block it as well, I have disabled the built-in blocker on it. If you would re-upload it, I'd very much appreciate it. ANd thank you very much, Raven! ^Ariel♥Gold 09:41, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

I saw you re-upload it (IRC) but it is still not there for me. (refreshed cache, both browsers still) *sigh*. ^Ariel♥Gold 09:42, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

No, that didn't change the path. I can't remember how this issue was fixed before; it's been a while since I've seen it. Plus I'm not even sure that is the cause of the problem. Perhaps post on the Village Pump: Technical. Someone there would probably have a better idea than I do. Raven4x4x 09:46, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Removing my account

My username is hunnam and I no longer want to be registered on Wikipedia, my reason is I am being singled out by editors and feel the attitude is disgraceful for being part of such a big website. I felt it was because on my colour that my sites were being removed while virtually exact sites were being left on.

I would like my account removed asap.

Well accounts can not be deleted as it goes against the GNU Free Documentation Licence which Wikipedia is built on, I'm sorry you feel that way about this community. — Rlest 10:04, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Right to vanish. PrimeHunter 10:33, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Creating new entry where page name is already in use

Dear Wikipedia,

I have recently entered my details on the 'MICK MORRIS' page. I don't know (and couldn't see from your HELP guidelines) whether each new entry should have its own page or whether it is conventional to have more than one (different) entry of the same name on the 'Title' page. Have I done things correctly? My edit seems to be in limbo at the moment. Can you help, please?

Mick Morris

e-mail: [EMAIL REMOVED] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mainmam (talk • contribs).

Well it seems you added bold text into the article which could be considered as vandalism. — Rlest 10:56, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

It appears you are trying to add information about another musician of the same name to Mick Morris. That is not how Wikipedia handles it. See Wikipedia:Disambiguation and Wikipedia:Hatnotes. He should only be added to Wikipedia if he satisfies Wikipedia:Notability (music) (which should be demonstrated with reliable sources), and then a separate page should be created. You added the text inside an infobox [6] where it's not displayed because the same infobox parameters are later assigned different values for the other Mick Morris. PrimeHunter 11:26, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Problems with references

I tried adding references as a first step in improving the Mary Susanne Edgar article, however, I can't seem to get them to show up rigth, so I must be doing something wrong. I read the help-pages, and even compared to how stuff is done on other similar articles, but got no wiser. Help appreciated !

I've fixed it and removed the reference which was making it faulty, more information can be found at WP:REF. Cheers, — Rlest 11:00, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

how can i post an article about something in wikipedia?

i want to post an article about a boy.but i dont know how to post it?please help me by saying step by step. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Timesnowjournal (talk • contribs) 10:53, 25 July 2007.

Well of what I can see it appears as if the person would be non-notable and not satisfy the biography notability guideline; please explain further the information so we can verify whether it would be notable or not. Regards, — Rlest 10:57, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

...but if you do decide to start an article, there's a useful guide to writing your first article. There's also a short Wikipedia:Tutorial that you might find useful. --HughCharlesParker (talk - contribs) 12:26, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Image moved to Commons - What next?

I created this image for the Burj Dubai article. It has since been flagged {{tocommons}} and {{NowCommons|...}} by other users, with the suggestion that the original can deleted. How do I delete the original from the English (and now Urdu) wikipedia, and how do I ensure it still appears on the Burj Dubai article in both languages? Astronaut 12:39, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

You don't need to do anything. It was moved to Commons so that it could be used on all language Wikipedias - the image file no longer exists on the English Wikipedia, so there is nothing left to delete. The image will still appear in articles as normal, because it was moved to the same filename on Commons, which allows you to access images in the same way you do here.

In short, don't worry about it. It's all been taken care of. Hersfold ^(talk/work) 19:30, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, it has indeed disappeared from the English Wikipedia. The image is not flagged in the Urdu copy, so I left a message on the uploader's talk page (in English since I don't know any Urdu). Hopefully, he'll flag it and it too will be deleted in due course. Astronaut 20:09, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

cant' save page

Hi, recently i changed my isp after which i am unable to use save page button if the page is beyond a certain charecter limit, what should i do LegalEagle

Use the "edit" button on each section to edit them individually. Neil

If the individual sections are large enough then i am unable to save the edit, neither can i use the show preview button LegalEagle 16:12, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

How big does a section have to be before it fails? --HughCharlesParker (talk - contribs) 12:25, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

listing prob

Listing Organist...My wife is a well know organists in the USA. How do I get her listied in the organists from USA?

Read WP:BIO carefully to see if she meets the notability requirements for a biography on Wikipedia. Also read WP:COI; as the spouse of the subject, you may need to make an extra effort to write with a neutral point of view. If you think she's notable enough, you can either request that someone else write about her, or you can try creating an article about her yourself. But be aware that satisfying Wikipedia's complex and often unintuitive policies may be difficult for new users, and many new articles by new users end up getting deleted. The English Wikipedia already has 6,863,255 articles, the vast majority of which need additional work, so it is better for new users to spend time learning the ropes by editing existing articles, and then only later create new articles when they understand more about how Wikipedia works. That being said, lots of brand-new users create new articles anyway. The philosophy on Wikipedia seems to be: make it easy for new users to create new articles, and then delete lots of them. It's all very Darwinian - like the way in nature, insects and so on produce huge numbers of offspring, and only a small fraction survive to adulthood. --Teratornis 16:05, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Search

how do you serch for stuff on wikipedia

See Help:Search and User:John Broughton/Editor's Index to Wikipedia#Sea. I often use Google Search on Wikipedia. If you create an account, then you can save links to useful searches on your user page, like I did here: User:Teratornis#Useful searches. You can also browse to topics on Wikipedia from categories and from Wikipedia:Contents. --Teratornis 14:19, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Blocking Q

Can an admin block username creation from a certain IP? There's a blocked user who has created a sockpuppet (and will undoubtedly create more) to vandalise my userpage. ~Crowstar~^{crow calls} 14:00, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

We can, yes. Please provide details to WP:AN/I, giving the usernames involved. Neil ╦ 14:45, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Question

I created a page called "Hearing Conservation Program". However, none of my references are showing. How do I fix that?

Thanks.

You missed out the <references /> tag at the bottom (this displays the references - you can also use {{reflist}}. Neil ╦ 14:45, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

For anyone else who's wondering: the page is actually at Hearing conservation program. --HughCharlesParker (talk - contribs) 14:53, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks to User:Echuck215 for creating the redirect - I don't know why I didn't think to do that. --HughCharlesParker (talk - contribs) 12:23, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Transportation

Where do the engineer and the brakeman ride on a locomotive?

Good question. I don't see the answer in locomotive, brakeman, or diesel locomotive. You might try asking on the Reference desk. Or try Google:brakeman locomotive, which finds lots of hits, including the Story of a Volunteer Railroad Brakeman. --Teratornis 15:48, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

An uncompromizing collaborator

Hi!

I want to ask you, what is the best way to treat another user, who insists on his point of view about a historical person, despite his lack of evidence or references. The person in question is St. Sergius of Valaam, who was according to tradition the founder of Valaam monastery in Lake Ladoga, in 10th - 15th century. The monastery has been at times on Finnish territory, at times Russian.

The problem is that there is no historical evidence about him, just a tradition. As I am writing the history of the Finnish Orthodox Church, I have to stick to the historical evidence about him, which is nil. Even the Finnish Orthodox Church does not hold to the hypothesis, that he has ever really existed. The newest historical findings are that Valaam monastery was probably founded by a monk, Efrem of Perekomy, in 1389.

The problematic user, Petri Krohn, refuses stubbornly to accept this. I have tried to talk him into scientific historical writing, - no result. He has written a page about St. Sergius of Valaam without a single refence, - just the traditional story a bit elaborated by him. He has linked his page to the page of Finnish Orthodox Church, what a contradiction for the reader!

I am quite new user in Wikipedia, so I have no experience about this kind of trouble. What is the best way to deal with such a person? Tell him he is a vandal? --Tellervo 14:52, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

I would not call a user with almost 900 edits "quite new." (To see "quite new," look at some of the other questions on the Help desk, especially the sketchy ones that make no sense.) But I'm sure everyone is new to something on Wikipedia, because this place is so endlessly complicated, and constantly growing more complicated. To your question: the answer to just about every editing situation is somewhere in User:John Broughton/Editor's Index to Wikipedia. See the "Content disputes" heading (a few dozen lines down from here). For example, you could start with: Wikipedia:Resolving disputes. --Teratornis 19:30, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Inquiry from Supposely Prince Fayad Bolkiah

My name is Helen Campbell from the United States and I do work for various companies over the Internet. I recently received several emails from supposely Prince Jefri Bolkiah requesting that I aid him in some real estate transactions. Unfortunately, it didn't seem that someone with his status would reach out to an unknown individual for help. This individual stated that he was being held a prisoner by his brother. I feel that this is a scam and that's why I am notifying you. The email that this individual sent me is [EMAIL REMOVED]. If you would like for me to forward the emails that this individual sent me, please let me know. This individual also has someone working with him, because I received a call on my answering machine requesting that I forward my cell phone number to the Diplomat that is working on behalf of the Prince. I am sure that if I receive correspondence from these individuals that other people in the United States are receiving the same information.

Helen Campbell

How do I create an information article?

Yes, it's a scam - see Advance fee fraud. You don't need to forward the emails to us or to anyone else; everyone gets these. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 15:06, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Advance fee fraud#Warnings issued by United States government gives an e-mail address to which U.S. citizens can forward such fraud e-mails (if they want to). The fact that this e-mail was accompanied by a telephone call seems to elevate it somewhat from the usual e-mail-only scam, so it might actually be worth reporting. --Teratornis 15:54, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Replacing an existing picture on a page

Lol - sorry, I must be an idiot. I still don't see how to replace an existing image (that was not placed by me) on a page with another one. I have asked twice here (Help desk questions on July 23 #5.16 and July 25 #7.4) and though the answers seem straight forward enough: "Click the "upload a new version of this file" link near the bottom of the image description page (below where it says "File History"). I cannot find this link anywhere in the file history section of said image page.

The image page in question is the one for the graphic on the main page listing for "Gamma World". I have tried uploading an updated image twice - wrongly using the general upload link along the left side of the page (as it is the only one I see). But of course these uploads are sent to a "blind" waiting area with no connection to the page I am trying to work with. However on THESE pages the "upload a new version" link DOES exist. I can only assume that means only the original poster can replace an image on a page??

I really am pretty dumb, I know it's has to be simple as pie (as editing text on a page is a breeze) - any help for an image editing idiot here? LOL! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Braun190 (talk • contribs)

Question: why do you want to replace the image? It looks to me that the images that you have uploaded are the same as the image that is already on the page (note that the low resolution is part of Wikipedia's fair use policy). To properly answer your question--I think that your account has to be more than four days old before you can overwrite images. —Jeremy (talk) 16:45, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Author

How can I find out who the author was for the article on organ transplant please? Thank you

195.158.99.149 16:55, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Click on the history tab at the top of the organ transplant article to see a list of all contributors. Astronaut 17:01, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Incorrect Seal

I am the graphics coordinator for the City of Port St. Lucie, Florida. The city seal on your site is not the official city seal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_St._Lucie%2C_Florida

I would like to replace it with the official city seal, but I am confused as to what copyright to assign to it, etc. Can you provide me with some assistance so I can upload the correct city seal to your site and delete the current one.

My contact information is as follows: Dan Perlmutter Graphics Coodinator City of Port St. Lucie <contact info removed> Thank you for your help.

(after edit conflict) Hi, you can upload the new seal using the Upload File at the left of the page and then copy and paste these templates and fill in the rest of the information

{{Non-free fair use in|Port St. Lucie, Florida}}
{{Non-free media rationale
|Description=Port Lucie City seal
|Source=
|Portion=
|Low_resolution=
|Purpose=only used to illustrate subject in article
|Replaceability=
|other_information=
}}

More information on Fair use can be found at WP:Fair Use. Once you have it uploaded, edit the article and put it where the old logo was in the infobox.CindyBo^talk 19:11, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Note: the above directions only apply when uploading a completely new image. To replace the current version with a newer one, follow these.

In order to replace the current image, you will need to create an account if you haven't already. Once logged in, go to the image page here. Near the bottom is a light blue link that says "Upload a new version of this file"; click on that. You will be brought to an upload screen, where you can use the "Browse..." button to search your computer for the new image. The new image must be of low resolution in order to comply with Wikipedia's Fair Use Policies. In this situation only, do not type anything in the description box, or select a license. The existing description and license will be applied to the new image. For future reference, however, the proper licensing template would be {{Non-free logo}}, which is already on the image page. Hersfold ^(talk/work) 19:20, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

But shouldn't he still add the fair use rational template as the existing seal doesn't have one?CindyBo^talk 19:28, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Adding my Company's profile

Hi,

I want to have my company's profile on Wikipedia. I went through Business FAQ & found out that "new articles are created when members of the community are interested enough in a topic to write them". My queries are as follows:

1. Who are the members of the community?
2. Can I become one?
3. Would it be easy to have a prepared article (rather than having someone from Wikipedia write it) published on Wikipedia

Hello and welcome. The answer to question 1&2 is that we are all members of the community and you become one by just joining in—see Wikipedia:Introduction for how to get started. Regarding your company, please note that we do not publish profiles, we publish encyclopedia articles—these may include both positive and negative information about the article's subject (see our neutral point of view policy). We also do not publish articles on all companies, there are a set of guidelines for what is included and what is not; if you feel that your company meets the criteria set out in these guidelines then you need to make sure that the article you write shows this or it may get deleted. —Jeremy (talk) 17:33, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

If the Wikipedia:Business' FAQ left you with questions, the FAQ itself should answer them, either directly, or with links from the terms a new user would be unlikely to understand. For example, instances of "the community" probably won't make sense to someone who just got here, so I'm linking them in that FAQ to: Wikipedia:Who writes Wikipedia. --Teratornis 19:08, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

While I'm sure it's covered in the business FAQ, I'll reiterate here that we also have a guideline on conflict of interest editing, which would be worth your reading before creating an article on your business. As to question #3, yes you could prepare an article yourself, either on another website or on your user page, and then get it copied to main article space, but it would have to conform to the relevant policies and guidelines, and be licensed under the GFDL, which means you agree to allow anyone else to use the content for any purpose and edit it as they see fit (within reason). Confusing Manifestation 22:42, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Name change?

I registered a few hours ago but I now have 2nd thoughts about my user name. Is it possible to change it to "Local667forOb" instead?Local667forObama 17:30, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Follow the instructions at WP:CHU. — Rlest (formerly Qst) 17:31, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

...but if you've only been registered for a few hours you almost certainly don't have a history you'd want to keep, so you're better off simply abandoning the old username and registering a new one. Before you do, though, have a read of the Wikipedia:Username policy - Wikipedia doesn't allow promotional usernames. --HughCharlesParker (talk - contribs) 12:17, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Recently uploaded image not displaying

I uploaded a pic to Asmodai, but the image itself is not showing, and I've uploaded dozens and dozens of pics before without seeing this. Refreshed the page and purged cache, opened it up from another browser window. The image I uploaded before this one to Caim displays just fine. On Firefox the thumb text displays in place of the image, on IE there's a red x. In both cases if you click on the image it does go through. Is this a server issue? --BrokenSphere 17:52, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't know why it happens, but it's happened to me and can be fixed by sizing it. On your article it displays fine on a preview at 220px.CindyBo^talk 18:33, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Why does a band have to be notable in order to post a bio?

Notability is completely opinion based. Why did the band post that I put on get deleted? What can I do to keep it on? --Qwertycho 18:11, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Notability is not opinion based. Notability is indicated by the level of coverage a topic gets in proper sources. We have standards on what we do or do not cover because Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. Friday (talk) 18:13, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Notability (music) for notability guidelines on bands – Tivedshambo (talk) 18:16, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Of course notability is based in part on opinions; the fact that Wikipedia has any policies at all is because the people who control Wikipedia (e.g., Jimbo Wales) have opinions about what should and should not be here. (That's how every Web site works - there is always one person or a group of people who decide what can go on that site, based on their opinions.) Furthermore, it is nearly impossible to define a completely objective standard of notability, and practically speaking, not every article receives equal scrutiny, so even to the extent that the notability requirements are objective, they are not evenly applied. And then there's the problem that even if an objective standard of notability was definable, different editors would still interpret the standard differently in a given situation. In any case, Qwertycho should read: Wikipedia:Why was my article deleted?#If all else fails, try another wiki. There are lots of other wikis which specialize in particular topic areas (such as music) and may have more lenient requirements for articles. --Teratornis 19:02, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

The notability guidelines are technically an "interpretation" of the verifiability policy, with a nod to the reliable sources and attribution guidelines - basically, the general standard of "multiple non-trivial references in reliable third-party sources" means that at least two (theoretically unbiased) media outlets agree that the band (or whatever) exists, and should provide some reliable information on it. Your average garage band that hasn't played a gig or released an album can only really be verified by members of the band itself, and given their obvious conflict of interest can't really be said to be a reliable source on the band. Confusing Manifestation 22:36, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Closing Keep AfD debates

I'm sure I've read somewhere that non-admins are allowed to close AfD debates, when there is an obvious consensus to keep. Can someone confirm this please, and preferably point out where I might have read this. Thanks. – Tivedshambo (talk) 18:18, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Yeah the page you want to read is Wikipedia:Deletion_process#Non-administrators_closing_discussions. Non admins can make keep closures, but should really only do so if the result is unambiguous. Hope that's what you were looking for. Regards. Will (aka Wimt) 18:27, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks – Tivedshambo (talk) 18:33, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Note that Wikipedia:Speedy keep#Procedure recommends against non-admins closing as speedy keep. PrimeHunter 18:34, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

{{Sports in North America}}

I just created the template {{Sports in North America}}. It would be greatly appreciated if someone could make it collapsable. Thanks. The Evil Spartan 19:00, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

It already is. The div class NavFrame is a collapsable table, with the default setting to "show". In order to make it collapsed by default, you'll have to re-write it according to the directions here. That page provides more information about the NavFrame element anyway, so could be useful reading. Hersfold ^(talk/work) 19:09, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Help with italics

I'm having trouble with typefaces. Certain words, I believe italic, come out in gibberish -- ie: qwt continued donations "mggr" ykmkrgkc "twppkpi#. I can't find a way to replace these fonts. I'm on a mac. Any advice?

I'm not sure what's going on. Can you read this? This is a test in italic This one is in bold Hersfold ^(talk/work) 19:33, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

i can read neither -- just gibberish. Although inside the box here, I can read, 'this is a test in italic, this one is in bold.

Category:Female serial killers looks unconventional - should I edit it?

I've never seen a category with a filmograhy, a bibliography and an external link on it. Are there any guidelines about how category pages should look? I'm sure these shouldn't be there. 172.189.153.165 20:07, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, that's odd. You could remove the content because it is nonstandard for a category page. Ideally, you should merge it to some other article, such as serial killer. Shalom ^Hello 21:58, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Editing question: copyrighted material

I have repeatedly edited the William McKinley page either to take down the plagiarized material in the assassination section or to cite the source of that material. Is there any way that the entry can reflect the borrowing therein?

The plagiarist continually reverts to a text that includes substantial portions of a century-old biography that is posted at http://mckinleydeath.com/documents/books/HUS2ch19.htm.

12.154.116.144 20:07, 25 July 2007 (UTC)Jimmy

If the biography is a century old, it's public domain. However, it would be polite to include the source. Corvus cornix 22:18, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

While the anon editor's point in that the information was lifted verbatim from the source is entirely legitimate, his or her conduct was unhelpful and even detrimental to addressing the concerns. First, the source had already been cited at the bottom of the page in the references.

• first edit - deleted content and replaced with This source is unattributed--plagiarized--from http://mckinleydeath.com/documents/books/HUS2ch19.htm. BAD wikipedia!!
• next edit - , deleted material and replaced with "deleted plagiarized content"
• Last edit - The following contains once-copyrighted material. While the copyright has itself expired, the need to cite original authorship has not (this according both to the rules of Wikipedia and to those of creditable scholarship in the humanities).

I have since re-written the material. But the editor frankly should try to be more scholarly and less childish in trying to express issues with articles.Montco 02:35, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

templates

how do i make a template? specifically a cheer related one. such as

===[[Cheerleading]]===
====Skills====
[[List of cheerleading stunts]] •[[List of cheerleading jumps]] •[[Herkie]]
====Notable teams====
[[Cheer Athletics]] •[[London Rockets Cheerleaders]]

and other things... i don't know.Maddie was here 20:30, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

A template is just like any other page, only it appears in the Template namespace, so instead of, such as this page, Wikipedia:Help desk, it has a name like Template:Cheerleading. There's some more info at Wikipedia:Template messages and Wikipedia:Template namespace, although I would suggest that the best way to learn about template formatting is to find a good-looking template that already exists, go to its Template: page, and click on the edit link to see what its source looks like. Confusing Manifestation 22:31, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

If you want to display repetitive information about lots of cheerleaders, it sounds like you should make an infobox. For more information, see: User:John Broughton/Editor's Index to Wikipedia#Inf. I will leave a note on your talk page about this. I reformatted your question slightly so it does not generate spurious section headings in the Help desk. --Teratornis 01:03, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

My entry keeps getting flagged

Hello. I have entered an entry for Rick Tramonto. It keeps getting flagged as being too advertisement like - but I don't understand how to fix it. I have edited and edited it, but to no avail. All of the information in it is factual, and can be proven - can you please help me? Thank you. 76.213.88.93 20:36, 25 July 2007 (UTC)Christina

I've removed the tag as it seems inappropriate. Do clean up the article- make it look smoother, and wikify. You also need to source more of it.

Have a nice day,

The Rhymesmith 21:25, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Dont understand GPL for what I want to do.

I'm creating an ecommerce site for NFL products. I want to use content from wiki on the site to give customers some info on nfl footbal. So let me know if I can do this: I want to include, say the first two paragraphs from a page in wiki on my site with a link back to the original complete document on wiki. Also, a link to the GPL. I also want to make internal links out of some of the words in those paragraphs to point to other pages on my site. Can I do this or is this a violation.

thank you,

JM

You are permitted to quote all or part of any article from Wikipedia as long as you provide a link to Wikipedia, acknowledging Wikipedia as the source. Many websites, such as Answers.com, do this routinely. Shalom ^Hello 21:55, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism I don't have time to go through and revert

IP address 144.36.169.226 has been doing a lot of vandalizing and I don't have time right now to go through and fix it all. Is there somewhere I can report this? (Note I had only just warned the user prior to finding all the additional vandalism, and no edits have taken place since the warning.) --Evil1987 22:17, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

You can try WP:ANI or WP:AN, or WP:AIV; all will work. I'll do, it, though. --Haemo 22:18, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. If you are an administrator, you might want to also check whether Kent12 is the same user. --Evil1987 22:21, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm not, but that wasn't really vandalism, most of it; he was nominating articles for deletion (probably poorly), but was an IP, and so couldn't complete the nomination. --Haemo 22:24, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

When I saw he didn't seem to follow through with any of the AfDs, and they all seemed to be on legitimate articles on notable subjects, I assumed vandalism. I guess I should have assumed good faith instead and dropped him a note. Anyway, thanks for your help. --Evil1987 22:32, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

How to tag

how to tag Hihello4uus 22:57, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

What kind of tag? Maybe Category:Wikipedia maintenance templates is useful. PrimeHunter 23:50, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

July 26

How can I make my own Wikipedia?

I see many gaming sites have Wikipedias for their game they play where they contribute information from the game and make a WikiCommunity for it. I have no clue where to find information on making a wikipedia for my game. Any info? Thx

I figured it out. THANKS ANYWAYS :o)

 :) Nihiltres^(t.l) 00:35, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Copy and paste move?

The article Abyss (computer game) appears to be a copy and paste move from Journey Across the Abyss. Can anyone verify if this is the case, and whether I should follow the instructions at WP:MOVE#Fixing cut and paste moves? --Evil1987 01:54, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Yeah it was a copy and paste move. For the moment I've reverted the move but of course it can be moved properly if that's what the consensus is. Regards. Will (aka Wimt) 02:02, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you.--Evil1987 02:04, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Follow-up to: Assistance on "delete" for XYplorer from a new user here...

I have received some feedback to my original topic/thread here, but my last question has not yet been addressed, and as it may be more generic, I'll retry now:

To clarify a point: Is it because XY has not recieved attention/mention from major media, such as PC World, or similar, that really thus causes it to be non-notable? If so, then I would suggest a fair number of products would fail to meet the same criteria. 151.203.127.31 13:59, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Once again, please read WP:N and WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS --L^augh! 18:27, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

I had read those sections, but as a WP noob, I could use a interpretation as it specifically applies to the questions/situations as I've described from a WP guru (or similar). And also, is there a specific number of times that XY would need to be reviewed or mentioned in sources, and must they be actual print or is web published content counted as less worthy? The notability criteria description as I read it doesn't give these answers in detail needed. 151.203.127.31 00:13, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

151.203.127.31 02:23, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm sure the notability guideline mentions "multiple non-trivial references", which translates to "more than one magazine or newspaper article with a large section devoted to the topic in question" - so a single article is generally not enough (but may be considered borderline), and if the only mention of Foo in the article is "Some examples of this phenomenon include Foo, Bar and Baz" then that's not significant enough. Web published content is ok, as long as it is subject to some kind of editorial scrutiny - so things like YouTube, IMDB and Wikis are not good, but a major e-zine or other big online news website (I think Slashdot and Kuro5hin are good, but don't quote me on that) is fine. As to the OTHERCRAPEXISTS argument, the point is that if you find another article that is as bad or worse than yours (not saying yours is, but in general), then consider whether it meets the guidelines or whether it should be nominated as well. Don't, however, nominate something that you know will be kept, because that's a big no-no per WP:POINT. Confusing Manifestation 02:46, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

This comes up non-stop on Wikipedia. The basic argument is:

• I'm new here and I want to make Wikipedia fit my needs.
• I don't care about the work others have done to make Wikipedia what it is now.
• So, let me put my article on Wikipedia the way I want it or I'm going to throw a fit.

Obviously, this argument never achieves the result that the user would like. As has been said many many many times - get notability first. For a band (since this usually applies to some random band that very few people have heard of), get a recording contract. Get a tour. Get a video on MTV (I think they play 2 or 3 videos a day). Get written up in some real magazines. Then, you will see that someone else has written about your band. -- Kainaw^(what?) 03:19, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

I appreciate the time you took to reply! You mentioned "major e-zine", and the product in question was discussed in two web newsletters, each having in excess of 120K subscribers of which some are paid, thus making them more of a true business and respectable (IMO), in addition to the newsletter authors being known widely in the computer industry. Ok, so it's only two, but they should count towards the total, I would think.

My main issue was, and continues to be, that: by WP creating a chart/table/list of the features available in various file manager products, it thus has created a "review" and in doing so, to include products which are unknown to a number of users of XYplorer (who have themselves evaluated and researched numerous products in this category before deciding on XY) seems somewhat inconsistent and illogical.

It was the removal of XY from Comparison_of_file_managers that was the most difficult for me to see the reason for.

While I could possibly understand and agree that XY does not deserve a stand-alone article itself, it only needs that because the existing WP chart/table/list does not have a way (maybe via links in footnotes?) to point to a mini-summary description and sources (aka vendor websites) for that product. I would appreciate this solution to be considered, as by not including XY and similar lesser known products, the WP list is thus incomplete and misleading. Comaring this to a band situation, while each song that group is best known for would not qualify for its own article, not having them listed in the article for the band wouldn't make sense, true? 151.203.127.31 06:26, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, but this isn't really the place to have this kind of extended discussion: we've gone beyond asking questions about using Wikipedia here. I will responded further here. Charlie-talk to me-what I've done 15:50, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

A question from someone who refuses to read the instructions at the top of the page

why does the moon shine yellow? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.41.44.255 (talk • contribs)

It doesn't shine. It reflects. See moon. -- Kainaw^(what?) 03:15, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Any colour you see is due to filtering through the Earth's atmosphere. Astronaut 14:04, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Factual Errors/NPOV Issues on National Academic Championship Page

Dear Sirs,

I am a former associate director of the National Academic Association, which sponsors the National Academic Championship (NAC).

Recently someone posted a page on Wikipedia concerning the National Academic Championship that was poorly written, riddled with errors and violated neutral point of view in that the author compared the National Academic Championship negatively to another competition. I believe that the author(s) might also have been responsible for writing a spurious page about NAC founder Chip Beall that has since been deleted. The authors of this material belong to competing quiz bowl organizations, which by definition violates the neutral point of view requirements of Wikipedia.

I have attempted to correct the factual errors and revise the article in a more professional and neutral way. However, the objectionable material continues to reappear.

My association with the NAC ended in 1996. However, I do know the history of the organization, and I want it to be accurately represented and professionally written.

Best regards,

Cheryl Claypoole Mensa1960

For very obvious vandalism, if the problem persists, you can file a report at WP:ANI or WP:AIV. And, if it still continues, you can request page protection here. If the edits are not quite "obvious" vandalism (ie totally off topic, curse words, obviously offensive libel, etc.) then you should consider dispute resolution. Charlie-talk to me-what I've done 05:48, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Bryce Canyon City, Utah - notable?

As covered here and mentioned on tonight's Colbert Report, Bryce Canyon City is in the process of being incorporated as the result of some loophole in Utah's laws. Basically it's a resort, but because of the number of employees it qualified to be a town. My understanding is that all incorporated US municipalities are inherently notable, and the existence of this loophole probably makes BCC more interesting to outsiders than many other towns with similar population. :) So it's legitimate to start an article, yes? Thanks, PhilipR 03:51, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

I would sure say so, seems to be notable enough for an article, so long as you cite reliable sources. Charlie-talk to me-what I've done 05:42, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Is there a page where I can report things?

Thanks!— Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.96.236.196 (talk • contribs)

What do you want to report? Matt/TheFearow (Talk) (Contribs) (Bot) 04:08, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

(ec) What kind of things? Have you seen Category:Wikipedia noticeboards?--Werdan7^{T @} 04:10, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

THank you sir!

Contact

How do I contact the person who is in charge of Wikipedia?

You can contact an aadministrator at WP:AN. If you want to contact the Wikimedia Foundation, you can email them at info-en _at_ wikimedia _dot_ org. Matt/TheFearow (Talk) (Contribs) (Bot) 04:10, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

YAHH<, I NEED some help!

I need the link to the Price is Right page, the "go" button here on Wikipedia isn't working for me. So please provide the link, appreciate it!— Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.96.236.196 (talk • contribs)

The Price Is Right--Werdan7^{T @} 04:12, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

I need to make my own project, can I use Wikipedia?

I how I create a project, like how WIktionary has been created, can anyone help me?Thanks, --71.96.236.196 04:09, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

You want MediaWiki, the software that runs Wikipedia and Wiktionary. The website for it is at mediawiki.org. Matt/TheFearow (Talk) (Contribs) (Bot) 04:11, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, if the project is something that works in line with the Wikimedia Foundation's goals, then you can propose it on meta (although I think technically the "new projects" page was temporarily frozen some time ago while they get the Incubator set up, I think you can send a proposal to the foundation-l mailing list if you can find it). If you just want a wiki, you might consider running MediaWiki on a server of your own as TheFearow suggested, or you can set one up on Wikia. Confusing Manifestation 06:37, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

PETA external link section/youtube videos

Do these videos violate copyright? I really have no idea.

[7] [8] [9]

Thanks. Turtlescrubber 05:13, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

• It looks like they're a compilation someone made of a bunch of different clips. So, to be quite honest, "probably?". However, they shouldn't be included in external links anyways -- external link guidelines explain that links should principally be only for things which cannot be covered in the article with text. I don't think these qualify. --Haemo 05:18, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

So these should be removed twice? Ha. external links also include interviews and the sort, and this is sort of like a speech. However, I do agree with you and have always had my doubts that these were a violation of copyright. When I tried to remove them I was reverted and treated like a vandal. So if anyone can say with any certainty it would be great. Thanks for your response. Turtlescrubber 05:28, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Deleted

Why did my article on Lords of Pain get deleted? I worked hard on that. I was going to finsh it when I got more info about it, but then you deleted it! I'm outraged. Need sources? Have it! Need more info? I have it! It's my first project, and I really want to make it. Tell me whatI need for it, and I'll add/delete it. Just please put my page back.

Zombiekid29 06:51, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

I assume you are talking about Lords of Pain. Please see: Why was my page deleted?. A Speedy deletion tag was placed on the article, invoking criteria A7, which is that the article does not assert the notability of its subject. Charlie-talk to me-what I've done 07:21, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:There is no deadline. You don't have to submit the article right now. If you can provide more material and good sources, please consider improving your article at the sandbox (for example User:Zombiekid29/Sandbox and only create the page Lords of Pain when it is ready. Wikipedia:Your first article might be useful. I hope this helps. Peacent 15:58, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

In particular, see WP:WWMPD#If all else fails, try another wiki. Wikipedia has much tougher requirements for content than many other wikis tend to have for articles in their specialized topic areas. Many people try creating articles on Wikipedia simply because this is the first wiki they discover, not because Wikipedia is most appropriate for what they want to do. --Teratornis 00:54, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Creating a page by the same name?

If I wanted to create a new page for a band named, say, "Salamander," how can I make this happen? There is obviously an existing page for the reptile, salamander.

You could write Salamander (band). Remember that the band must conform with WP:BAND and be notable enough for inclusion. Sr13 07:45, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Create a new page with the title Salamander (band). In cases where the new topic is more important than the old (not in this one, obviously), move the original page and use the new one (ie Salamander (animal) for the creature and Salamander for the band).

Ensure the band is notable per WP:MUSIC before creation.

Have a nice day,

The Rhymesmith 07:47, 26 July 2007 (UTC) (edit conflict)

For more details, see WP:DAB. Confusing Manifestation 23:11, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Table for Company Info.

Please can you tell me how to place a company info. table, such as:

Founded: Headquarters: CEO:

Thank you.

That would be {{Infobox Company | company_name = | company_logo = | company_type = | foundation = | location = | key_people = | industry = | products = | revenue = | operating_income = | net_income = | num_employees = | parent = | subsid = | homepage = | footnotes = }} --Haemo 08:21, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Daily Facts

I recently heard that you can set up Wikipedia so that on a daily basis 'General Knowledge' facts appear automatically on your Browser, how do you do this? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 09:00, 26 July 2007 (talk • contribs) 09:00, 26 July 2007.

You can transclude the "Did you know" section from the Main Page on your userpage by editing it and adding this code:

{|style="border-spacing:8px; margin:0px -8px;"
|-
! <h2 style="margin:0; background:#cef2e0; font-size:120%; font-weight:bold; border:1px solid #a3bfb1; text-align:left; color:#000; padding:0.2em 0.4em;">Did you know...</h2>
|-
|style="color:#000;"| {{Did you know}}
|-
|}

That will only work if you sign up for a username and log in. Once you've done all that, set your userpage as your homepage in your web browser. It might be easier just to set wikipedia's main page as your browser homepage, though. If you do want to put that stuff on your userpage, by all means drop me a message on my talk page and I'll help, or do it for you. --HughCharlesParker (talk - contribs) 11:58, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Self-referencing

As a scientist (now inactive because of a chronic illness), I have contributed to some 200 articles on the Dutch Wikipedia. A few of these pages deal with topics on which key publications were written by myself and collegues, such as a model of the Dutch economy that was used by the Dutch government to validate socio-economic policy.

I have now run into a bunch of users who claim that any self-mention of my name, be it in the text or in a reference, should immediately be deleted, regardless of relevance or notability. Even references to publications by others who in their written work happen to refer to my publications get hunted down and removed.

This seems to deviate from the policy on Wikipedias such as this one, where cases of self-reference are, albeit with scrutiny, judged on their merits.

Any attempt to discuss these matters on the Dutch Wikipedia is met only with abuse.

My question is: is the Dutch Wikipedia community free to equate self-referencing, and anything remotely related, to self-promotion, or is there a common policy for all Wikipedias that they should follow?

If self-referencing is forbidden in all cases, then it is simply not possible for scientists to contribute to the Dutch Wikipedia on their field of expertise.

Regards, Guido den Broeder 09:20, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Sources that are relevant are desired. Whether or not they are related to the person referencing is irrelevant (unless the article is becoming swamped with references to one person). If your work is peer-reviewed and a part of established theory, and is necessary to complete the article, then there is no bar on including it. You may wish to take a look at WP:COI however, before continuing.

Of course, it is not desirable to reference oneself, rather than one's work.

Have a nice day, The Rhymesmith 09:52, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I've seen that page, it is well-written. Unfortunately, there is no equivalent page on the Dutch Wikipedia and people there consider what is on the English Wikipedia as completely irrelevant to theirs. Is it their right to do that? Regards, Guido den Broeder 10:18, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Partially. Policy can differ from Wikipedia to Wikipedia, although the core tenets stay the same. However, if the Dutch Wikipedia doesn't have an equivalent, what are they charging you with? Self-promotion? It might be worth starting a policy debate there, or asking that Help Desk. There isn't a huge amount that can be done here. The Rhymesmith 10:44, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Guido, we have no ability here to amend to rules and working practice of the Dutch Wikipedia. We can only give some general advice - if your changes or references are being removed, try suggesting them on the talk page of the relevant article first. Neil ╦ 11:15, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

The accusation is indeed self-promotion. It is explicitly claimed that self-reference is by definition self-promotion and that I am a moron to suggest otherwise. My attempts to discuss this on the talk pages of the articles, before or after, were met with abuse. My requests to protect me from this abuse and (more importantly) to protect the articles were met by the same accusation by a number of moderators, again equating self-reference to self-promotion. When I asked for a policy debate I got laughed at. The page I started merely to propose a description of the term was immediately thrashed and nominated for deletion.

I must add that IMHO the entire Dutch Wikipedia suffers from an unhealthy warlike attitude, where many users are relentlessly attacked by others all over the place. New users are often treated to warnings and blocks before they can finish their first contribution. Guido den Broeder 11:45, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Addendum: right after posting here, no less than two Dutch moderators have threatened to block my account (note: while I am on a long wiki-break over there). Guido den Broeder 12:16, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but as has been said previously, we are only able to offer comment and help on the English Wikipedia. I suggest taking up some form of Dispute Resolution on the Dutch Wikipedia through whatever processes they have in place there. We are not able to offer any assistance in other languages. Sorry. Hersfold ^(talk/work) 15:44, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

It seems peculiar that the Dutch Wikipedia would be systematically hostile to contributors who write about their own peer-reviewed work. (I cannot read the record of this dispute in the original Dutch, and we haven't heard from your opponents, but you seem calm enough while presenting your side. Which by the way makes your claim of scientific credentials more believable: scientists by training must know how to handle disagreement without flying into hysterics.) I know of some examples on the English Wikipedia that seem acceptable, for example PeterThoeny is the primary author of the TWiki software, and he contributes to articles such as TWiki, Corporate wiki, and Structured wiki. If he (or anyone else) doesn't stay neutral enough, other editors will be along to weigh in. In my opinion (which carries no official weight), Wikipedia has more to gain than lose from contributions by persons who did the original research or invention behind article topics here. If wiki technology had been around since the Middle Ages, we could probably go back in article histories and read original edits by all the giants of science, the arts, statecraft, etc., in addition to all the forgotten ordinary people who had something to share. Imagine a wiki telling Isaac Newton not to cite his Philosophiae Naturalis Principia Mathematica (after it had been published elsewhere, of course). In any case, Wikipedia#Language editions says the various language Wikipedias operate independently to some extent, but it's not clear exactly to what extent. My suggestion would be, since you appear fluent in English, to translate the 200 Dutch articles you mention to English and create them on the English Wikipedia if they don't already exist here, or edit the English versions if they do exist. The English Wikipedia certainly gets more total traffic anyway, although that might not be true for particular corresponding articles. The other obvious approach to getting your citations onto the Dutch Wikipedia would be to recruit a meat puppet to add them for you, although now that I have mentioned that, the Dutch Wikipedia administrators who are monitoring this discussion will doubtlessly be hypervigilant for any editing which might look as if done on your behalf. Meat puppets are against policy on the English Wikipedia, but apparently the policies here do not apply there. --Teratornis 00:26, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Formatting problem on Obesity

After making multiple edits to this article, the ==Therapy== header seems to have disappeared for no reason seemingly. My edits, and it disappeared after this edit. Please help fix this problem. Go Dhokla! -- Zamkudi ^{Dhokla queen!} 10:41, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

You missed out the backslash in a reference just before the Therapy section - it said <ref name="bbcn00s">, and should have said <ref name="bbcn00s"/>. Neil ╦ 11:12, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

My sincerest thanks. -- Zamkudi ^{Dhokla queen!} 11:18, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

SAARC devlopment

marine conservation and bio diversity in the saarc regional devlopment —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 124.43.204.45 (talk • contribs) 11:42, 26 July 2007.

You haven't asked a question. What is it you want help with? --HughCharlesParker (talk - contribs) 12:02, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Conflict of Interest

I'd like to write a factual (NOT promotional) article regarding the company that I work for, however, having read the help pages on Conflict of Interest I'm not certain whether I would be in breach of these guidelines or not.

I would appreciate some advice from a human being on this subject as I don't want to offend or be seen to be using Wikipedia for any other purpose than an encyclopedia.

Thanks,

Alex Virginiahayward 11:50, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

I think you probably would be in breach of the guidelines, but that doesn't mean you can't get the article written. The first thing to do is read Wikipedia:Notability and Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). You might also find the Wikipedia:Business' FAQ useful. If you think that your company is notable, list it on Wikipedia:Requested articles. --HughCharlesParker (talk - contribs) 12:07, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Also study some featured articles about corporations. There aren't many, but the Microsoft article is one. (While I don't know for certain who all the editors were for the Microsoft article, I would be astounded if nobody from Microsoft had any input there.) Wikipedia has clear standards for giving an article the highest possible quality ranking (which we call featured), and an article's ranking only depends on the article itself, not on who wrote it. (This is a basic premise of critical thinking: that every claim can be decided on its own merits, not on who makes the claim. For example, the world does not become flat merely because we dislike a person who claims otherwise. See: Ad hominem fallacy.) In any case, it doesn't matter whether an article gets written by a Mother Teresa or a hired public relations gun, if the article is as good as the Microsoft article, it can become a featured article as well. Of course I must hasten to add that in the vast majority of cases, PR flacks do not tend to write featured articles. But they could, the same way as anybody else, by studying the Wikipedia manuals carefully and following the clear instructions. In my opinion (which carries no weight), the conflict of interest guideline exists not because having a conflict of interest fundamentally prevents a person from learning how to write encyclopedically, but because in most cases, people who come to Wikipedia specifically to promote some organization or cause usually do not take the time to learn how to edit properly on Wikipedia. But they could. --Teratornis 19:54, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Zurich Airport

In the pages about airline operating out of Zurich Airport, you indicate that Singapore Airlines opartes the sector ZURICH/MANCHESTER. Thsi is no longer the case since 2006. Can you pls delete this information

Thank you very much

Christina Hollenweger Marketing Services/PR Manager Switzerland SINGAPORE AIRLINES LTD Tel:0041 44 218 61 40

Done (after a quick google check). Thanks for letting us know. --HughCharlesParker (talk - contribs) 13:09, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

add to this page

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Mortgage_lenders

When I added Choice Finance to this page, I could not get it to post alphabetically under "C". Instead, it posted at the very top and Wikipedia removed it a couple days later.

HELP

thanks, BJ Matson —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Choicefinance (talk • contribs).

Category:Mortgage lenders is a category to display articles. An article is added to the category by placing [[Category:Mortgage lenders]] in the article. Your user name indicates you have a Wikipedia:Conflict of interest, so it would be inappropriate to create the article or make other edits to promote Choice Finance. See also Wikipedia:Business FAQ. PrimeHunter 13:49, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Please help me understand how to submit a request to have the content updated for the Company I work for.

Hi, I work for Paychex, Inc. in Rochester NY. We would like to see the general description of our Company updated, as it is old. I understand I can not persoanlly update the content because I work for the company and need to submit some type of request to have it done by a 3rd party editor. How exactly do I go about doing that?? I was reading that you can submit stuff via the 'Discussion' tab or 'Talk Page', which I think are one in the same? Im just not sure how you actually submit the request once your there? Any help would be greatly appreceated!! Thank you!

Do you have links to some newspaper or magazine articles about your company? -- Kainaw^(what?) 13:54, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

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>Are you asking in terms of the actual text that we want to have updated or do I have links to other companies that talk about our company making it credible? If you want links regarding our company here are some:

money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/bestcompanies/2007/snapshots/70.html http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=payx http://www.nahb.org/generic.aspx?genericContentID=1694 http://www.forbes.com/markets/2007/07/13/paychex-adp-buyback-markets-equity-cx_af_0713markets17.html http://online.wsj.com/public/quotes/pr.html?symbol=PAYX&type=usstock http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-127199136.html http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-154501754.html

If you need more please let me know.

 Note: If you work for the company please see the conflict of interest page as you may be slighlty biased if you are writing about a company/organisation that you work for. Thank you. — Rlest (formerly Qst) 14:43, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

---> I know I would be biased if I did the editing, that is why I am trying to figure out what i need to do so I can request someone looks at the content we would like put up (in replace of what is there) and have them post it for us.

If you post on the article's talk page (which you can reach by clicking the "discussion" tab at the very top of the article), an editor will come by and assist you. Hersfold ^(talk/work) 15:40, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

--->Great, that's what I thought I just wasn't sure. Would you suggest just posting a comment saying 'I'd like to have the content update, if you are willing to help let me know and I will provide the content.' Or do you Suggest just asking the same thing and also providing the content on that page? Thanks so much again! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sfalkman (talk • contribs)

Read Help:Talk page to see how talk pages work; in particular, you should follow the standard talk page format and sign your talk page comments. (The Help desk is not technically a talk page, but we treat it as one by following the talk page guidelines here. Normal articles do not follow the talk page guidelines, in that we don't visibly sign our contributions to them.) I see you have already edited on Talk:Paychex, and you even removed your initial edit (which is still viewable in the talk page history). It helps other editors if you provide specific information about what you think should go in an article, and be sure to provide reliable sources to support your claims. Read Wikipedia:Business' FAQ to get a better idea of what you should do (or not do) when writing about your own company. I would also recommend that you make a User page to explain yourself and your interest in the Wikipedia project. If your only reason to participate here is to contribute to the Paychex article, you should disclose that on your user page. Obviously, you could build more goodwill among other Wikipedia editors if you helped out with other articles unrelated to your employer. That way it would at least seem your primary motivation was to assist this project rather than promote one particular company. In other words, ask not what Wikipedia can do for you, but what you can do for Wikipedia. However, I do want to say thank you for asking first, rather than just going in and spamming up articles like so many other people do. You demonstrated good faith by asking first. And while Wikipedia has a conflict of interest guideline, I would be willing to wager serious money that most if not all articles about corporations here receive at least some direct input from persons involved with the articles' subjects. How could it be otherwise? Every article about religion gets some partisan editing too. Personally (not that my opinion carries any weight whatsoever), I don't see a huge problem with this as long as an article also gets substantial editing from people who don't have a personal stake in the topic. After all, insiders tend to have some of the best information about a subject. We just have to make sure other disinterested editors keep a lid on their peacock language and so on. --Teratornis 17:18, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

downloading a song free of cost

can i download a particular song, say, Hasta Manana, from Abba's Album 'Waterloo' without having an account with you? i am out of USA, do i have to log in?

Mh, I'm not sure what you mean. If you wish to download music I suggest using a program such as Limewire but this is for Wikipedia-related questions. Sorry; — Rlest (formerly Qst) 14:42, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Aidan Savage was deleted why?

i created a a page about aidan savage a player for st fechins and i want to create profiles for all the players what did i do wrong. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dmattews114 (talk • contribs).

Because in violation of the criteria for speedy deletion A7 and it was not written in the expected tone for an encyclopedia article (however only the latter is a reason for deletion - not the second). Please see Wikipedia:Your first article and Help:Starting a new page for tips. — Rlest (formerly Qst) 14:47, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

See also Wikipedia:Why was my page deleted and Wikipedia:Notability (people). PrimeHunter 14:52, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Wiki appearance proble,

My browser seems to get an error when I type www.wikipedia.com in my browser address bar. And now I can only gain access to a wiki page by doing Google search for a specific page. Also the website seems to be no longer in its normal appearance, basically it seems there are no frames, it all appears in regular HTML format. 70.231.32.88 15:31, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

The address for the English Wikipedia is actually http://en.wikipedia.org - As for the display, check your browser settings and make sure your browser is displaying frames correctly. I'm fairly certain this is not a problem on our end, sorry. Hersfold ^(talk/work) 15:38, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

See the links under: User:John Broughton/Editor's Index to Wikipedia#Bro. I have noticed that sometimes when I have a poor connection to the Internet, various wiki sites including Wikipedia will not display correctly (text is in a default browser font, no images appear, etc.). I'd guess this means the page content (text) is reaching me, but the style information is not. --Teratornis 16:49, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

About editing stuff

Yeah. Why are you guys so sensitive about my editing stuff?! I'm only adding stuff! The article about Takashi Hagino needed expanding! I mean, articles are not going to expand themselves! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.14.216.60 (talk)

The complaint is that you removed {{Japan-actor-stub}} in this edit. It's not a big deal by itself but there has apparently been other problems with edits by your IP address. It's likely that some of the earlier edits were made by other editors sharing the IP address. PrimeHunter 17:20, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

By the way, I was surprised to see blood type listed in a biography. I found Japanese blood type theory of personality which is probably the reason. I wonder how such information is sourced (I don't speak Japanese). PrimeHunter 17:26, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

A user is out of control, what do I do?

Hi! There is a page on Artist Trading Cards (ATCs). I've been involved with artist trading cards since the 1980's in Boston, MA, US. There is someone promoting the idea of artist trading cards whose link and promoters keep appearing on the wiki Artist Trading Card page claiming to have invented ATC's in 1996 in Europe, named Stirnemann. This is a ludicrous, bogus claim that he invented ATC's. His link and the claim that he invented ATC's is put back on the ATC page repeatedly.

Furthermore, there is a substantial Artist Trading Card web site, a blog that chronicles an exceptional ATC group and how it's done, which the abusing user keeps removing from the links section. The person who removed the link left a message for me calling it spam, when it's more relevant the topic than the Stirnemann web link which he keeps replacing. It's not spam, it's a premiere example of ATC's and how the concept works.

What does one do in this situation? How do I report a user?

Thanks.

You should take the following steps, in order, if you have not done them already.

1. Leave the user a message asking him to explain what he's doing. (I assume you already did that.)
2. Leave a message on Talk:Artist Trading Cards, asking other users to comment.
3. Request a third opinion, asking other users to comment.
4. If the disruption persists, report what has happened at the administrators' noticeboard for incidents. Shalom ^Hello 18:52, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Stubs (removing the fact that something may be or is a stub)

If something is long enough, how am I supposed to remove something telling us that the article is a stub without having to listen to you tell me it is not right?! If I edit the article, and it's long enough, should you remove the stub marker yourselves? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.14.216.60 (talk • contribs)

If it isn't a stub, just remove the stub template from the article. -- Kainaw^(what?) 18:17, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Note that this is only if the article is no longer a stub. You have removed stub templates from articles that appear to remain stubs. A one line description of an actor, followed by their filmography, is not enough to merit removing the stub template. Lucky number 49 22:06, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Fixing a Typo in the title of a Wikipedia Entry

How do I fix a typo in my latest Wikipedia Entry?

I just created an entry for Wear-Dated, but didn't capitalize the "D" in Dated for the entry.

Thank you. Christine

Problem fixed. Check out Help:Moving a page for more information. Regards, — Rlest (formerly Qst) 19:17, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

editing

A friend created the Wikipedia page for my husband musician, john beasley. i've updated the content, which was easy, but i cant figure out how to edit the top bar and inset bar. there's no obvious edit button.

help. Beasleymusic 19:11, 26 July 2007 (UTC)lorna

Well looking at the page history it seems you have already edited the page. Please be careful when editing the page as if you actually are related to this person you may have a conflict of interest. Regards, — Rlest (formerly Qst) 19:15, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

The lead of an article can be edited by clicking the "Edit this page" tab at the top. PrimeHunter 23:04, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Illustration use

Can I assume that any illustration not marked with a copywrite or liscense number can be freely downloaded for eduucational use?

Thanks Gnerosen 19:17, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

All images on Wikipedia should have licensing information on the image page. If you come across an image that doesn't, please edit the page and add {{subst:nld}} to the image page. However, any image that says it is in the public domain or uses a [{Creative Commons]] or a GNU Free Documentation License is free to use. That should include all images that are not labeled with copyright tags. Hersfold ^(talk/work) 19:28, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

AfD / Speedy Deletion conflicts

If an article is already being discussed for deletion on the basis of non-verifiability and an editor realizes that there may be a more urgent need for speedy deletion (in this case, the entire article seems to be a blatant copyright violation), is it advisable to add the speedy delete request beneath the AfD? Or should one simply to point it out on the AfD talk page so that it can be dealt with in due time? (I made a note of it a few hours ago on the page, but decided I needed to follow up in case this is too urgent for that.) Copyvio protocol seems to require blanking the page, but blanking the page is forbidden by the rules of AfD. Any guidance on how best to proceed would be most welcome. Moonriddengirl 19:21, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

If it is a copyright violation it should be blanked, and {{copyvio|URL where copied from here}} or {{db-g12|URL where copied from here}} of it the article qualifies for another area of the criteria for speedy deletion it should be tagged accordingly with the CSD tag below the AfD tag then the admin will close the debate early and delete the page if it is a suitable candidate for a speedy deletion. — Rlest (formerly Qst) 19:23, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

In that case, you should also make a note on the AfD page to make the editors there aware. Hersfold ^(talk/work) 19:29, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you both. Tagged and notifications spread all around. Moonriddengirl 19:33, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

log in errors

I recently joined this site. I created an account w/i incident. I confirmed my email address and went to the site. I was "told" I was "logged in" but when I tried to use Preferences or Watch list, etc. message states, I must be logged in??S?

Please advise

Go to Special:Userlogin, and try logging in again. Matt/TheFearow (Talk) (Contribs) (Bot) 20:56, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Finding a contributor/ editor?

wiki-help thurs 7/26/2007 4:15pm i wrote the short book DR. MORSES INDIAN ROOT PILLS in 1972 and it is in the public domain. a person with the username of MATHHAMMER made a good and accurate synopsis of my book --- 18:03, 18 March 2007 Mathhammer (Talk | contribs) New user account--- a later comment by mathhammer said s/he was a descendant of mr.comstock, the creator of Morses Pills. i would like to thank her/him and ask about her/his kinship in the family. how can i contact mathhammer?20:20, 26 July 2007 (UTC)~~ thank you, bob shaw

Leave a note here

Have a nice day,

The Rhymesmith 20:51, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Film Writing

Hi I am from Czech republic and I will writen film story of my own which I will give for a film in America.Can me please help with contact addreses of film writrs which ca offer my film-story?

Wikipedia does not provide contact details for screenwriters. Apologies.

The Rhymesmith 20:54, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Merging two accounts

How does someone go about merging two accounts? We have an editor who has used multiple accounts, not for sock puppetry and there are no concerns about that. Someone suggested the various accounts be merged. Is this possible?? How is it done? By whom? Where? Thanks. KP Botany 22:06, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't see the answer to this question in WP:SOCK, which does describe some permissible uses of multiple accounts by one user. If someone knows the answer, they should add it to the WP:SOCK page. WP:RENAME talks about changing usernames, but not merging two usernames into one account. When all else fails, try searching. This Help desk archive search finds:

• Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2007 January 4#Putting previous contributions under my new name.

in which Kesh mentions WP:SOCK#Alternate accounts, but that looks like merely a way to tag the multiple accounts as belonging to one person rather than actually merging them into a single account. Why do the multiple accounts need to be merged? Would merely tagging them be enough? --Teratornis 22:29, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

I have a doppleganger account, which is mentioned -- maybe that is a solution? --Haemo 22:30, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Adding External Links

I tried and it was deleted repeatedly.

Within all major cities' (your city) there is an affordable housing crisis.

A link from an article about any major city to the web-site of a local organization that connects people who struggle to make ends-meat with owners of small apartments is more important than the esoteric Wikipedia Nazis right to delete said link on a whim.

Humility: Elite Wikipedia editors don't have a moral right to block needy people from finding affordable housing just because they have power issues.

So far I represent 3 owners in the Gatineau / Ottawa area who own 17 buildings (71 apartments). Each building contains only budget priced apartments that the average man or woman can afford. The apartments are so small and simple that the Wikipedia elitists would scoff at them in snobbish disgust... The rest of us are thankfull to call it home.

A mean person keeps deleting the external link to the web-site of the organization.

How do I get past mean people who justify their existence by searching for stuff to delete?

Paul Sumner — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.56.41.220 (talk • contribs)

<personal information removed by Shadow1>

Ahem. Before I even attempt to give a detailed answer to your question, I would kindly ask you to read WP:CIVIL, WP:AGF, WP:EL and Godwin's Law. Confusing Manifestation 22:54, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

And probably also WP:NOT. Confusing Manifestation 22:55, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

"Ahem" is exactly the snobbery to which I just referred. I need to get past your attitude toward needy people so that less fortunate people can have a home too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.56.41.220 (talk • contribs)

I'm sorry that you're so frustrated, but Wikipedia simply isn't the website you need. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a listings site. I'd guess that you can find listings sites through google, but if not then I'm sure the miscellaneous reference desk can help you. --HughCharlesParker (talk - contribs) 23:00, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Hello Paul, Wikipedia is no more nor less "elitist" than any other organization which makes rules about what its participants can and cannot do. No organization can be all things to all people. I'm sure the local Web site you want to link to imposes its own rules on the content it publishes, and those rules could seem "elitist" to someone who wants to use that site for reasons other than what its owners intend. Besides, the people you call "needy" would need to have Internet access to view Wikipedia or any other Web site, and that would make them fabulously wealthy by the standards of the world's billion poorest people (who subsist on about $1 per day per person), so your cause is also "elitist" in its own way - you're excluding the neediest people of all. See the WP:NOT page for a long list of things Wikipedia is not - everything on that page is there because lots of people tried (and continue to try) to use Wikipedia for those purposes. However, all is not lost. The Wikimedia Foundation which runs Wikipedia also gives away its wonderful MediaWiki software, so anyone with an ax to grind and money to buy Web hosting can set up their own wiki and grind away. Thousands of people have set up their own wikis; see WikiIndex. For example, ChicagoCo-op looks like an attempt to do something along the lines of what you are trying to do. Why don't you contact the people running that wiki and see if they are interested in expanding their geographic scope? One problem that small wikis often have is that they limit themselves too much, either topically or geographically, and then they don't attract enough users to build much content or establish a viable community. And finally, while wiki technology provides fantastic new possibilities for mass collaboration, wiki editing is not for the hypersensitive nor the faint of heart. Not everyone is tough enough to watch their work getting chopped to pieces on a regular basis. To stay sane while editing on a wiki requires a degree of mental looseness, a willingness to relax one's urge to insure a specific pre-conceived outcome. Wiki editing is more like an experiment where you try things, see what happens, and go with the flow. Anyone with a Persecution complex, real or imagined, should avoid wiki editing. --Teratornis 23:31, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Multiple Reverts

Hello, I've never had this issue before so I'm not sure what to do. On the entry for Halal, presumably a single user with both IP addresses 87.74.46.129 and 87.74.16.171 keeps inserting a picture which, I feel, is inappropriate for the article. I've reverted their edit atleast twice with the reason in the "edit summary", but the person insists on reinserting the picture. I've also left a message on the article's talk page requesting a discussion, but they haven't responded. I don't want to revert a third time, in fear of violating the 3 revert rule. What should I do? Thanks!Starwarp2k2 23:09, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Scroll down in the Editor's Index to the "Content disputes:" heading below this anchor point: User:John Broughton/Editor's Index to Wikipedia#Con. There you will find links to just about everything on this subject. --Teratornis 00:41, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

July 27

Sock puppets

On Talk:English people#Obsessive vandal a user who seems to be using two accounts, one registered and one an IP user, states that "an IP address is never classified as a sockpuppet." Is this correct or would anyone using both a registered account and an IP user account be considered possibly as being a sockpuppet? Thank you. (Apologies if this is not the correct place to ask this, but I wasn't sure really where to ask. ♦Tangerines♦·Talk 00:10, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, that's an interesting question. The lead section in WP:SOCK says:

• A sock puppet is an additional username used by a Wikipedian who already has one or more accounts.

I don't see anything about users who make both registered and unregistered edits. From my naive perspective, I can't see how the distinction would matter, although technically you would not say a user who is editing from an IP address is using an "account" for those unregistered edits. It's possible that a user who has an account is simply forgetting to log in before editing sometimes, although I can't speak to the case you have in mind. --Teratornis 00:37, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the quick response. In this instance they have been using the IP user for some time, and has today just started using the registered account when another editor brought the two up as possibly being one and the same person. Since I asked this I also found a couple of things about IP users on WP:SOCK:

• "IP addresses used for sockpuppetry should not be blocked indefinitely." and

  "it is a violation of this policy to create multiple accounts, or to edit as IP, rather than logging in to your account, in order to confuse or deceive editors who may have a legitimate interest (a legitimate interest excludes wikistalking) in reviewing your contributions."

Given that in this instance the user said, "an IP address is never classified as a sockpuppet." then surely they are incorrect? Especially as they have today reverted once using both as "registered" and "unregistered"> Thanks again. ♦Tangerines♦·Talk 00:53, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Edit wars

Sorry to ask another question right after the last. However, if an article (in this instance the same article from before, (English people) sees constant reverts between two versions, is it the norm to revert the specific edits to their original state prior to the edit war, and to then ask those involved in the edit war and anyone else interested, to discuss the matter in the talk page, and to try and reach a consensus/compromise? If so is there a policy anywhere that can be quoted when doing this? Or have I just imagined that this can be done!? Thanks. ♦Tangerines♦·Talk 00:15, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Quick answer before I get an edit conflict: User:John Broughton/Editor's Index to Wikipedia is where to look up most policy and guideline pages. --Teratornis 00:38, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Scroll down in the index to the "Content disputes:" heading below the anchor point: User:John Broughton/Editor's Index to Wikipedia#Con. There you will find links to just about everything on this subject. --Teratornis 00:40, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

(ec)Well, if one user has reverted more than three times, report them to WP:AN/3RR. If the war is severe enough, you can request page protection. i ^{(said) (did)} 00:41, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the quick responses, I will have a look at the relevant links provided. In this specific instance I would not know who to report for the 3RR as two editors both seem to be doing it to each other. Thanks again, ♦Tangerines♦·Talk 00:56, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

CAT

Where is it published about a cat that can predict death? A nursing home?

dough

Do u make any money out o this site?