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November 27

Category "abuse"

I don't know the proper etiquette for this situation, i.e. editing another person's user page. User:C0N6R355/Userboxes/cleardanger seems to have placed him or herself in Category:Films based on military fiction. Clarityfiend (talk) 00:10, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I frequently edit or comment mainspace categories out from userspace pages with an informative edit summary, but you can also drop a note at User talk:C0N6R355 and edit it out later if there is no reaction. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:19, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. Clarityfiend (talk) 00:44, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Peer Review

How would I go about requesting a peer review for an article? The Clawed One (talk) 00:16, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Peer review. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:21, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Username

I accidentally used the wrong user name for my profile. Do I have to delete my profile and start over or can I change it? If I do have to delete it, where do I do that at?? Thanks . . . .

Asperkourt (talk) 02:04, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

This is your only edit so just create a new account. Accounts cannot be deleted. The name can be changed but it's easier to create a new account when you haven't edited yet. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:07, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

However, should you wish to change your name, you may make a request at WP:CHU. I (talk) 02:09, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

search

I typed in Boston for the group and got the city. There was no other references or lists for the word Boston. Could this web site be any more confusing or frustrating??? and there is no send button on this stupid page. What a piece of crap this site is! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.96.120.72 (talk) 03:26, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps, you didn't see Boston (disambiguation) right at the top before start of the Boston city text. I am sure, if you hang in for some more time in this site, you would perhaps never call it a crap. Anyway, happy browsing. DSachan (talk) 03:31, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

If you go to the page Boston, you are redirected to Boston, Massachusetts. The first line of the page links you to Boston (disambiguation). A disambiguation page lists multiple uses of the same word and links them to their related Wikipedia articles. This disambiguation page should list the group you're looking for. There are several groups with that name, so just look through the list for the one you want. On a different note, please read Wikipedia's civility policy, and don't insult the people you want to get help from. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 03:38, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Boston redirects to Boston, Massachusetts which at the top says:

"Boston" redirects here. For other uses, see Boston (disambiguation).

Boston (disambiguation) has many links to things called Boston, including Boston (band). If you had clicked the "Search" button below the search box then you would get a list of search results [1] which also includes Boston (band). You apparently found "Save page" which I think is more descriptive for saving changes to an existing wiki page than "Send" would be. "Send" may be more appropriate for systems where you cannot change what has already been written by others. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:42, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I may realize your displeasure in not being able to find the article you want but, it's quite rude to make first contact with a person or group of people and insult the fruit of their hobbies, pastimes, or livelihood. Mac Davis (talk) 04:30, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

To the original questioner: many people report better results from searching Wikipedia with external search engines. For example:

• Search Wikipedia with Google for: Boston

That finds Boston, Massachussetts (the city) as the first result, and Boston (band) as the second result. About your second comment, the lack of a "Send" button on this page (the Help desk), that confuses people too, because the Help desk works like what we call a talk page, and if you have not used a wiki before, it is not like the other online discussion sites you have probably used. Wiki technology is kind of like going to a new planet for some people (it was for me). Wikipedia is not for everyone, only 48,137,276 registered users (so far). And to Mac Davis, on the Help desk we must cultivate a thick skin and lots of sangfroid. New users come here with frustration piled on confusion, so it's understandable that some of them will blow off a little steam. Wikipedia does not restrict its usage to polite people - Wikipedia also welcomes blunt and even rude people. Words on a screen don't hurt us, and besides, Wikipedia certainly bites back. As far as criticism goes, Wikipedia's built-in search feature attracts a lot, because just about everyone is familiar with popular search engines that work noticeably better. When someone maligns Wikipedia's search feature, they are not maligning you or me (unless we actually worked on that part). And even if that is our work, critical thinking demands that we consider criticisms on their merits (maybe, just maybe, the search feature could be better), and overlook irrelevant insults. Responding to insults by getting emotional won't fix the root cause problems any sooner. The online world is a fantastically cruel place, and anything less than a credible death threat hardly rates (with style points deducted if the flamer fails to stick the landing). Just my opinion, anyway. --Teratornis (talk) 23:40, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

I might add, about the lack of a "Send" button on the Help desk, that Liquid Threads may someday make Wikipedia's talk pages more understandable to people who are used to threaded discussion software. --Teratornis (talk) 23:43, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

A page about my company: wanting to do it by the rules

I've been asked by the engineering firm I work for to start a Wikipedia page. The firm is mentioned several times in various articles across Wikipedia, but as yet there is no active page. I have looked around for Wiki projects to help me but there doesn't really seem to be one for engineering firms. I'm turning to this page to

I respect the principles of Wikipedia and given my COI I would like assistance in "authorising" the article. I of course recognise that it is then open to the editing process.

I have written suggested copy and coded it up on my talk page. I have made an honest attempt to include only facts and no marketing hype. I've also chosen a representative list of clients and projects for the firm that have their own Wikipedia pages.

The suggested page name would be Sinclair_Knight_Merz

Happy to discuss this with anyone via my talk page or here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mathardy (talk • contribs) 03:27, 27 November 2007 (UTC) sorry forgot to sign --Mat Hardy (Affentitten) (talk) 03:28, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I realize Wikipedia might seem confusing at first, (please click on the blue words to read the policy/guide they refer to). Wikipedia is not like other sites you may have come across. First, it is an encyclopedia. What this means, is that it is not MySpace, or FaceBook, or a place to host personal webspace, or a place where editors can make articles about anything they wish. Wikipedia has Core policies, such as neutrality, notability, verifiability, etc. What does all of this mean? Well, it means that any article on Wikipedia must demonstrate notability (meaning it must be note worthy, covered by the media, etc.), and have reliable, third-party sources (such as news media articles, magazine/trade journal articles) written about the subject, and the information given in the article must cite those sources to verify it is true. From those sources, information is summarized, paraphrased, condensed, and worded neutrally to make an encyclopedic entry (information cannot be copied from other sites). Finally, per the conflict of interest guideline, and it is good you recognize that there is a potential COI issue, you would likely be unable to edit the article neutrally. If your company is notable, the chances are it would exist already. If it is notable but does not exist, please consider submitting the entry to articles for creation with the proper sources, neutrally written, so that an uninvolved editor can create it to avoid conflict of interest. I glanced at your talk page, and what is there does not explain why this company is any more notable than the many others that do not have an article here, nor does it cite any reliable third-party sources. Please see the criteria for notability related to companies for further help with this. For more general information, see Wikipedia's manual of style, layout guide, your first article, article development, and how to edit for assistance. Hope that helps, Ariel♥Gold 03:32, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Despite the clear conflict of interest, I don't think you have made a bad start. At least you came here to ask for advice first before creating the page in the main article space, and then been surprised and annoyed if someone quickly deleted it again. To expand on what user:ArielGold has said above, I think it needs references from reliable 3rd party sources to back up the company's involvement in the major projects mentioned - for example, I'm sure you could track down articles in trade publications or on major UK or Australian newspaper sites mentioning the company's involvement in these projects. You could take a look at other construction industry articles to see how other editors have tackled this. Astronaut (talk) 04:17, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I think the article you wrote was a good article by Wikipedia's standards, and it only needs some citations or references, and to be stuck in the right categories for the category browsers. Most Wikipedia articles start out much humbler. Make sure when you're leaving a conversational message on Wikipedia to press ~~~~ for a signature and time so we can keep track of things. If you need any more help with anything on Wikipedia you can always ask at the help desk, or me or an administrator on their talk page. Mac Davis (talk) 04:27, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

The article for creation page seems to be on the right track, but it appears to be for new and unregistered users, of which I am neither. Regarding citation, the firm is mentioned repeatedly in the emdia (eg. a factiva search for the last 12 months scores 137 returns for the Australian media alone and that's just for the full company name and not the acronym. Google gives me 150,000 returns. Do I just have to provide a representative slice of such secondary sources? Or do I have to cite each 'fact' that is reported? At present, the company obviously seems notable enough for other parties unknown to me to have written it into other Wikipedia articles. Thanks for the help so far. I feel a bit compromised doing this because I do have another personal Wikipedia life with this same user name. But I'm attempting this article in my work time at an employer's request.--Mat Hardy (Affentitten) (talk) 04:37, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Some suggestions. 1) It's too long; lose the "representative list of clients" and such like. Mention only the biggest gigs the firm has done, and those only if you can find third-party articles about them. 2) Make use of those other Wikipedia articles that mention this company. Why is it mentioned? That's relevance right there. 3) You need cites/sources for the very facts that make the firm notable: size, unique characteristics (without peacock words) and famous events it was involved in. 4) Omit anything that smacks of bragging, advertisement or special pleading; and anything vanity-stroking, like a roster of executives. 5) Continue on the noble path of full disclosure. 6) Be prepared for folks to have a knee-jerk reaction against the inherent Conflict of Interest. --Orange Mike | Talk 05:19, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

One thing you could do is tag it with {{COI}} right from the start, so people know you're aware of it. Mentioning it on the article's talk page will also help. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 14:46, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

You mentioned:

• I have looked around for Wiki projects to help me but there doesn't really seem to be one for engineering firms.

You did not mention exactly where you looked. WikiIndex aims to be the most comprehensive listing of wikis, so that's a logical place to start. For example, Wikicompany wants to list every legally incorporated company in the world, so regardless of what may happen to your article on Wikipedia, you should write another article on Wikicompany, where you won't have as many editing constraints as here. Also check out Engineering Wiki, and the other wikis relating to engineering. And thanks again for checking on the Help desk first. --Teratornis (talk) 18:41, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

If you're talking about a WikiProject on Wikipedia, then WikiProject Engineering looks like it covers engineering companies as well as general engineering topics, so they may be able to offer some assistance. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 22:23, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

brain teazer

what is 4 L on C —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.28.130.175 (talk) 06:46, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I have no idea - brain teasers are not my strong point! However, this page is for answering questions about Wikipedia, so you may get a better response at the Reference desk which answers general knowledge questions. Alternatively, you could check out Brain teaser. -- Kateshortforbob 09:57, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Might be 4 Legs on Cats and many other things, but this is not the place. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:48, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

used transparent pet

please let me know how I can sell the transparent which have been used before? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.12.9.2 (talk) 08:27, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm not quite sure what you mean. Are you talking about pets, as in a companion animal - perhaps some kind of accessory? Alternatively, PET which is a type of plastic. Either way, this page is for answering questions about Wikipedia. You may have better luck at the Reference desk, which answers general knowledge questions. -- Kateshortforbob 09:54, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Eritria

what is the living condition in eritria —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.55.71.144 (talk) 12:03, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

We have an article about Eritrea. Have you tried the Humanities section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:38, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Denis Griffiths, Welsh tenor

Resolved

I have created and edited an artickle about Denis Griffiths, the Welsh tenor who sang for the BBC in Wales and featured alongside Ivor Emmanuel in the popular 1960s TWW TV series 'Land of Song'. Although I have inserted some references/footnotes, they do not appear in the saved page. Can this be corrected please? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pkgriffiths (talk • contribs) 12:28, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Fixed in [2]. There must be code to tell where to place the references. See more at Wikipedia:Footnotes. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:42, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Help With The Quiet Riot Page

The Quiet Riot page currently has a banner requesting help in 'cleaning up' the page. I attempted to edit a few of the paragraphs and wanted to contribute a new photo to the page as well. I have picture of the band which looks more traditional and is of a higher resolution than the one currently featured. I attempted to upload this image several times but was never successful and in doing so seem to have caused an error I cannot correct. Currently, the original image no longer appears and I have been unable to restore it. I have no desire to deface the page and wanted to alert somone so that this can be corrected as soon as possible.

PGW123 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pgw123 (talk • contribs) 12:30, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Reply to question is on his/her talk page. VivioFateFan ^{(Talk, Sandbox)} 13:10, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Having difficulties creating a new article for Laaza

Hello,

I have been trying to create a new article for Laaza. I have done some editing work in the wikipedia in past but this is the first time i have created a new article. The main difficulties i have faced is with the picture i have uploaded. The picture i had uploaded is a snapshot of the web page. This page is copy right protected and I have authority to use it. While i was editing the image it asked for the source and other thing about the image and I could not find where i could answer those questions. please guide me what should I do next. thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ajayadev (talk • contribs) 12:38, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

It seems the article has been deleted. Make sure to read a guide to your first article. — Rudget _{contributions} 16:13, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Underlining header

Any idea how I can restore the line under the title of the article? Before when I selected always render PNG under "Math" in my preferences the line would appear across the page seperating the title from the article but now it isn't working. Perhaps it is the fundraising header thats stopping it? ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^"Talk"? 14:29, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Maybe. Try "hiding" the message or clicking "HTML if possible or else PNG" in my preferences. — Rudget _{contributions} 16:16, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Question about posting a new article

Hi,

I've signed up under the username Worthyfashion, which also happens to be the name of the startup company I work for. I'm trying to write an informational article (not an advertisement) on my company, but I was only able to create a user:worthyfashion page. I then moved it somewhere(I'm not exactly sure where), but it only comes up when one searches for the username Worthyfashion. How can I create a page about Worthy Fashion that will appear universally? Thanks

Worthyfashion (talk) 15:12, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it already appears universally, try searching Worthyfashion in the searchbox to the left. I must warn you though, in it's current state, it is likely to be speedily deleted as either spam/advertisement content. Best, — Rudget _{contributions} 16:18, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Getting a review or comments.

I was wondering where I'd be able to get some help on what to do to improve the McFly (band) article. I did ask in Requests for feedback but it didn't receive any replies. --Stacey _talk 15:48, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Go to peer review. It may take a few days though. — Rudget _{contributions} 16:12, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

You can also kindly ask experienced members (that is, all that peer review is anyway); perhaps I'll take a look at it. Mac Davis (talk) 01:59, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Your section on the 16th Amendment of the Constitution is erroneous.

You stated on there that the "conspiracy theorists" who state the 16th amendment was never properly ratified cite no authority for their contentions. That is blatantly false. Please google William Benson who wrote a two volumn book on that very issue. He traveled to all the states and obtained copies of the so called ratification of that amendment and in fact proved that one of the states recorded the vote improperly which if correctly recorded would have resulted in the defeat of the amendment. That is only one example of the many problems he found.

I do not know how to edit this nor do I have the expertise to do so , but I would assume you would want the correct information on your site.... Here is one example or link.

http://www.supremelaw.org/cc/boxer/benson.htm

Here is another one....

http://www.givemeliberty.org/RTPLawsuit/Update2005-09-30.htm

Here is another one.

http://www.lawresearchgroup.com/cart/product.php?productid=141

Here is another one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Law_that_Never_Was

This last link shocked me, because you have the information and yet you state there was no authority cited by those who believe the amendment was not ratified or ratified illegally based on various state constitutions and procedures for such ratification. How come this is not cited as one of their authorities??? What about the court case in which Benson is now allowed to use his book in his defense and the IRS has not pursued further prosecution of him as he continues to refuse to pay his income taxes??? Now that he can use his extensively researcched book with documentation to support his contention, they know it would open a can of worms and cause havoc on the system. Your entire section on the 16th amendment is so biased I was shocked. It sounds like it was written by the IRS. Is that the case???? I am simply incapable of doing this myself as I am not an expert in computer work or editing. I would appreciate it if you would correct the problem yourself. Thanks.

My email address is <removed>

If possible I would like a response. If this is corrected I will support your work, otherwise, you have lost credibility with me and others if not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.135.68.231 (talk) 16:06, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure how this is related to the functions of Wikipedia, you may want to be shown to reference desk. — Rudget _{contributions} 16:19, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your suggestion. When you feel an article needs improvement, please feel free to make those changes. Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the Edit this page link at the top. The Wikipedia community encourages you to be bold in updating pages. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes — they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. If you're not sure how editing works, check out how to edit a page, or use the sandbox to try out your editing skills. New contributors are always welcome. You don't even need to log in (although there are many reasons why you might want to). Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 16:23, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

The anon appears to be extending the sentence "Conspiracy theorists do not assert any authority for their contention that state resolutions are invalid if they do not exactly mirror in every particular the amendment as proposed by Congress." to all contentions made by tax protesters. Either their reading comprehension is poor or they are looking for something to be angry about. Natalie 17:24, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

redirecting

I am not sure if this is the correct forum to ask this question, but I signed onto Wikipedia to look up the poem "the Jumblies" by Edward Lear (hoping to get some information on the poem or the author) and all I got was the " Breast" page. Is there anyway to change that redirect? The page, and the redirect were created by Wikipedia themselves and so it seems no outside changes work.--Jumblies (talk) 16:18, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

It seems to work for me. See The Jumblies. — Rudget _{contributions} 16:21, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

It seems you've solved this problem yourself - the Jumblies now exists as an article. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 16:22, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

(e/c) Jumblies used to redirect to Breast. I just changed it to redirect to The Jumblies. --barneca (talk) 16:23, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Lyrics and poetry if you want to make a poetry article. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:54, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Question on e-mail address

I have registered my e-mail address on my account. But recently someone has been trying to hijack my account. I know this because I keep receiving "New temporary password for Wikipedia" e-mails which I didn't request myself. Is it safe to remove my e-mail address from my account so these would stop? After all, it is optional. Or should I just ignore the messages to be on the safer side (I even made a filter on my e-mail account to make sure)? BTW, I have received five or seven of these in this month alone. Sorry if this is not the correct place to ask you this... - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 16:27, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

That basically means that someone's sending you password retrieval passwords frequently in an attempt to annoy you. Filtering them from your email is a reasonably sensible thing to do in such a circumstance. The problem with removing an email address altogether is that although that's legitimate, it will mean that you won't be able to recover your password if you do forget it, whereas you could just remove the filter with your present situation. The messages should tell you the IP of the person trying to recover your password; if the same IP shows up a lot there, you may want to bring the situation to the attention of administrators (at the admins' incident noticeboard). Oh, and you probably know this already, but such messages are safe to ignore if you didn't ask for them; your old password continues to work. --ais523 16:35, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I know. I deleted the password requests to the trash, so I can't confirm if this is the same person. The filter that I also installed directs the password retrieval request e-mails to the trash. I will put the IP address on my general sandbox for comparison. In case another one comes, I'll list it. But what if there are different IP are doing the same thing even if they have the same initial digits? - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 17:07, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Why is editing so impossible?

I found a really stupid blooper, but maybe I'm even stupider than it because I can't figure out how to fix it. Every click leads to yet another dead end. Why does Wikipedia make editing so impossible? (And why does "Wikipedia" show as a misspelling in this form?) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.180.152.72 (talk) 17:21, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

It would help explain why you're running into trouble if you told us what article had the error, what the error was, and how you tried to fix it and couldn't. --barneca (talk) 17:24, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Which page did you try to edit and what happened? If it's not protected then there is an "edit this page" tab at the top. Click that, or click "edit" to the right of a section you want to edit. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:25, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

• As for why "Wikipedia" is shown as a misspelling in the textbox: computers are dumb. They don't know how to spell a word unless you give them a dictionary of words to search. Your computer doesn't know "Wikipedia" is a correct word, so it marks it incorrect, just as the spelling checker in my word processor does with my name. - Mgm|^(talk) 22:45, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Etiquettes-

Mr&Mrs Or Mrs&mr-which is the correct form of address? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.93.73.168 (talk) 18:02, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Hello, and thanks for coming and visiting us here at Wikipedia! We appreciate your coming here. Unfortunately, this desk is for questions related to the working of Wikipedia. However, we have a desk (the reference desk) for all sorts of factual questions including yours. Just ask over there! Regards, Neranei (talk) 18:06, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

What do i do?

I want to contribute information to wikipedia. the problem is that i don't know how. can you help me? Rholloway71 (talk) 18:47, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

The following (template:welcome) has been added to your talk page and is repeated here, it may help. If you have further questions please ask. RJFJR (talk) 18:52, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

No edit option?

On this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King's_Inns there is no edit option for the first section apparently, which contains some errors that i wish to correct.

What to do?

Thank you, Carraig2 (talk) 19:16, 27 November 2007 (UTC).

For the introduction, you have to click the edit this page button at the top, then for sections you can either click [edit] or use the edit this page button at the top. Qst 19:41, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Pics

How do I delete a file I uploaded? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Careered (talk • contribs) 19:17, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

You cannot, only users who are administrators have the ability to delete pages, as well as protect pages and block vandals. Qst 19:40, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I believe you can also place {{db-author}} on the image page, and an admin will review the request and delete if appropriate. I assume you're talking about Image:Brooks inst.jpg, which is not used in any article, doesn't have copyright info, and was uploaded by you earlier today. --barneca (talk) 20:02, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

editing an article

I am trying to edit the article on geographic profiling, and have created an account (librarysloth). When I click to edit the page, all that appears to be editable is the reference list. Am I missing something? I am new to this... sarah aka librarysloth —Preceding unsigned comment added by Librarysloth (talk • contribs) 19:39, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Click the "edit this page" link right at the top of the page. This will allow you to edit the whole article. -- Kateshortforbob 19:43, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

You ran into this problem because the Geographic profiling article only has a lead section and the references section. Only the latter section has a section-edit link, so you have to edit the whole page at once as the above reply instructs. You might want to read WP:LAYOUT to see how a better-developed article will have more sections (and each additional section heading will get its own section-edit link). See WP:CITE, WP:FOOT, and WP:CITET if you want to edit the references or add more. You may want to keep the cheatsheet open in a browser tab for reference while you edit. And welcome to Wikipedia. --Teratornis (talk) 22:38, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Girlscout troop

I am trying to find a web-site on how to curl I would like to teach my girlscout troop about this winter sport but, I myself do not know a single thing about Curling nor can I find a website that explains it to me. Could someone please share some info with me. <email removed> —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.174.213.22 (talk) 20:20, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

This is for Wikipedia related problems, we can't help you here, sorry. Qst 20:26, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

The Reference desk may be able to provide some information, and our article on Curling could be of some use, and this link should provide some good external sites for you. I've removed your email address for your security. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 20:37, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Or try the Canadian Curling Association website

www.curling.ca

It has a learn to curl section. Wanderer57 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 00:35, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Request to split an article

I believe the "Convertible" article should be split, with the "Cabriolet" section becoming a separate article titled "Cabriolet (carriage)". Is this something I can do myself (if so, how?) or should I ask an administrator to do it? Fbarw (talk) 20:33, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

You can put the template {{splitsection|Cabriolet (carriage)}} on the top of the section in question. Wait for a discussion on the talkpage. Remember that silence equals consensus. Then, you can simply create the new article yourself and replace the section with {{main article}}. NF24^{(radio me!)} 20:37, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

OK, I'll try this. But what happens to links from other articles to the old and new articles, and to redirects? Are they changed automatically or does this have to be done one by one? Fbarw (talk) 13:45, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Kevin Hart, Major League Baseball

Date of birth should be 12/29/82 and place of birth Cleveland, Ohio

Dickie Gene —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dickie Gene (talk • contribs) 20:37, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Go ahead and fix it yourself. That's what a wiki's all about! NF24^{(radio me!)} 20:42, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Please help me find...

Dear friend: I need to find out the distance between Ontario Airpor, Ca., to Cudahy, Ca. PLEASE! Thank you so much!

BILL D. (a 74 1/2 year old visually impared veteran). Retired, but now refired! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.100.158.185 (talk) 21:40, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Bill. Though this is the help desk for learning how to do things here on Wikipedia, I had a free moment and looked it up for you. It's just over 40 miles. Jeffpw (talk) 21:44, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

wiki in the workplace

how can i use wiki in my company? 22:32, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

What exactly do you mean? If you want you can visit wikipedia from your work computer. If you want you can have your own wiki by downloading mediawiki from this website--Phoenix-wiki ^{(talk · contribs)} 22:39, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Also see:

• Corporate wiki
• Wikinomics (book)
• b:Wiki Science/How to start a wiki

--Teratornis (talk) 07:47, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

company wiki

how can I create a company wiki? 22:37, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Download mediawiki from this site--Phoenix-wiki ^{(talk · contribs)} 22:40, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

How do you set it up so only registered users can edit?

Someone has been messing around with the Bo Pelini (potential Nebraska coach) page and it is a mess and its mostly unregistered users. DandyDan2007 (talk) 22:53, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

WP:RFPP is the place you want. Be sure to request semi-protection. NF24^{(radio me!)} 22:55, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Further reading: Wikipedia:Protection policy

Internal link to a closely related term?

Currently Wikipedia has no terms volatile sulfur compounds nor its abbreviation VSCs. At this time I do not wish to start them either.

I only want to internally link the words volatile sulfur compounds with the existing term organosulfur compounds.

How do I make such a special internal hyperlink to an existing Wikipedia term that is not identically worded? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zymatik (talk • contribs) 22:59, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi Zymatik. What you do is make a piped link like this [[organosulfur compounds|volatile sulfur compounds]]. The text on the left side of the pipe (one of these: "|") tells the software what to link to and the text on the right of the pipe tells the software what to display. For more on linking, see WP:LINK. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:17, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I think what you want to do is redirect the alternate wordings to the article. To do this, create an article under the alternate wordings with just

#redirect [[organosulfur compounds]]

as the content. This will direct anyone who goes to those pages to the article. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 23:14, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. The technique worked like a charm for the article Finings. I wound up using the technique to at least 4 other articles. I'll save the tip in my Wikipedia tips files (Notepad files; on my PC) for future reference.--Zymatik (talk) 00:19, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Regarding your edit [3], please see Wikipedia:Manual of Style (links)#Overlinking and underlinking: what's the best ratio?. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:40, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

How do you make an article?

Hi, my name is Haley and i am curious to make a factual article, and not fool around with other articles. I am here for a factual article, and i want to know how to make one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.193.83.43 (talk) 23:00, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:06, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Flagicons

I have a question to ask about flagicons. Was there a decision to remove them from articles? There is a user that has been taking a number of them down from articles and before I began reverting, I figured I'd ask. Thanks in advance. --Candy156sweet (talk) 23:05, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I suggest you discuss with the user first. Others have already posted to User talk:Aspects if that's the user you have in mind. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:10, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I've posted to ask him on his talkpage. Thanks! --Candy156sweet (talk) 23:13, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Take a look at WP:FLAG - "Flag images, especially flag icons in biographical infoboxes, should not be used to indicate birth or death places, as this may imply an incorrect citizenship or nationality." Funeral 23:18, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

She undid all of Aspects edits, i don't think she saw this. I'll leave her a note on her talk page. -Yamanbaiia (talk) 23:25, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Since it was my edits that brought it up, I responded on my talk page. I obviously need to cite the manual of style page when I make this futures edits, so people know why I am changing the page. She reverted all of her reverts. Aspects (talk) 00:07, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Improving an article

Hello,

I created an article on the film director, Samuel Kevin Day. I have seen some of the movies that he has directed and produced and noticed that there is not a page on him. I wrote an article and it has been deleted. What can I do to improve my article os that it will stay posted?

Thank you very much. You can find Samuel Kevin Day in IMDB database, in the movie section of any newspaper and in Blockbuster and HOLLYWOOD VIDEO STORES. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Farra101 (talk • contribs) 23:42, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

You must provide references to establish notability per the notability guidelines for people. Otherwise it will be speedily deleted, like it has been already. NF24^{(radio me!)} 23:58, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

November 28

Statistics on Editing

Is there somewhere to look at statistics (or a graph) on the level of editing activity on Wikipedia?

Why am I asking? - Based on my little watchlist, I get the impression the current (this week) level is low, and I wonder how to check.

Thank you. Wanderer57 (talk) 00:23, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I believe Special:Statistics and Wikipedia:Statistics may be of use to you. Interestingly, my watchlist has been more active this week than in weeks past. NF24^{(radio me!)} 00:28, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Looks like it is a bit above normal. [4] Prodego ^talk 01:47, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you both. That is some graphing system! Wanderer57 (talk) 01:54, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Bad Link Needs to be Fixed

Hi,

I've noticed that a link on the page for "Toastmasters" is bad. If you scroll down to the external links and click on "TI History at a Glance" you'll see that it goes to a web page that's not working. Toastmasters has updated their Web site, so I think the link should now go to: http://www.toastmasters.org/FunctionalMenuCategories/CompanyInformation/History.aspx

Alternately, they have a page with a timeline: http://www.toastmasters.org/FunctionalMenuCategories/CompanyInformation/Timeline.aspx

I'm not the person who worked on this article. How can we fix it?

Thanks for any help! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.179.231.200 (talk) 00:45, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Y Done Since I had a moment, I've gone ahead and pointed the link to the first page. In the future, you can click the "edit" links next to a section (or "edit this page" at the top of a page) to fix things yourself - that's the beauty of a wiki! NF24^{(radio me!)} 01:10, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Entering the bad link in the Internet Archive shows [5] that it went to the information at the other link which is now called timeline. But I will let it be. The main site is already the first external link so it's questionable whether there should be any second external link to the site. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:21, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Suspected Plagiarism?

I've looked at the pages on handling suspected plagiarism, and am confused about how to flag a section of an article. (I'm not yet familiar with transclusion and subpages.)

Specifically, the article on Founding Fathers of the United States has a section on Religion, which seems to be taken directly from Adherents.com. Although the article cites the source, the size of the quoted material and the way it was incorporated into the Wikipedia article suggests plagiarism. I haven't been able to find a copyright policy on Adherents.com, so I don't know if they have given permission for their website to be quoted in this way. (In addition, the way Adherents.com was cited does not conform to Wikipedia standards.) SlowJog (talk) 01:22, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Indeed it is a direct cut and paste and citing to the page it came from (which I didn't see) would not in any way make it less infringing (though it is a strong indication that the person who added the material, however misguided, was operating in good faith). I have removed the section in its entirety. I have come across situations where the Wikipedia text actually came first and the external site quotes Wikipedia. This does not appear to be the case here. As for flagging, if you find sections such as this, remove them with prejudice.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 01:38, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I discovered in the article history that there was a prior religious section which had been replaced with the infringing text. I have added that preexisting section back in.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 01:57, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Hot springs

Does your site list any locations to hot springs/natural mineral pools?

See Category:Hot springs and List of spa towns. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:44, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Where's the magic button?

I clicked on something recently that made the notice about the contest for editing disappear. (I think it was on my watchlist display, but I'm not certain. Might have been my talk.)

Is there some way to get the notice to reappear, or is it gone forever?

Thanks, Wanderer57 (talk) 01:48, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Clear your cookies. Prodego ^talk 01:50, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

You are great! Thank you. Wanderer57 (talk) 02:00, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Renaming picture

Resolved

Can I as an admin rename a picture? I didn't find anything about it on Wikipedia:Administrators' how-to guide or Wikipedia:New admin school. — Sebastian 03:12, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm not an admin but Help:Moving a page says: Even though the pages in all namespaces have a "move" link, a page cannot be moved if it is in the image or category namespace. To change the name of an image, one needs to upload it again, and copy the image description. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:16, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! — Sebastian 03:56, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Inserting an image into an article

I had no trouble uploading the image into it's own page, but your hint on how to insert an image at the top of an article isn't helpful. You say to "insert" it, but you don't say how to insert it. I go to the top and there is a world icon that tells me if I want to add an image I should upload the file. I upload the file but it isn't inserted into the article. <removed email> —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pennypalmersporch (talk • contribs) 03:30, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Check out Wikipedia:Image_markup and/or Wikipedia:Picture_tutorial Karlww _{(contribs|talk)} 03:41, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Advanced Template Syntax

Resolved

I copied {{WPRock}} to make {{WikiProject Elvis Presley}}, for the assessment scales. However, there's one line coming out of the code on mine and I can't figure out why. If you could look over it, I would greatly appreciate it. Lara❤Love 05:11, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Krimpet fixed it. Thank you! Lara❤Love 05:22, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Creating an article

Where do you go to to create a new article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sheaboo (talk • contribs) 05:15, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi. You can read about creating new articles on this page: Wikipedia:Your first article. Good luck! - Rjd0060 (talk) 05:53, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Negative and Positive Numbers In Watchlist

Resolved

There are red negative numbers and green positive numbers beside my username/articles I have edited...what is their significance? (Joey James (talk) 07:58, 28 November 2007 (UTC))

They represent the number of characters added or removed to the page in that edit (approximately). --Sopoforic (talk) 08:01, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

They represent the change in the size of the article. Dihydrogen Monoxide ^♫ 08:02, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

That explains it! Thanks! --Joey James (talk) 08:06, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Ranger 8

I've done some research here, but nonetheless I'm unclear if the text on this NASA webpage is indeed covered by a copyright. The Ranger 8 article is a word-for-word duplicate. The ambiguity of my understanding is compounded because NASA images are not copyrighted...I would like someone with copyright experience to help out here. Thanks in advance! E_dog95' ^{Hi '} 08:02, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm not great with copyright, but I'd say it's a copyvio - the disclaimer only covers Still Images, Audio Files and Video, not text, so text is copyright by default IMO. Might want to ask at WP:COPYRIGHT. Dihydrogen Monoxide ^♫ 08:08, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Copyright problems is probably a good place to start, actually. Dihydrogen Monoxide ^♫ 08:09, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes. I don't see a forum there. Thanks though, for thinking about this problem with me. I'll simply start by bringing the issue up on the article's talk page. E_dog95' ^{Hi '} 08:13, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

That's probably the best way forward - please leave me a note to say how you went. Dihydrogen Monoxide ^♫ 08:22, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

As it turns out, I decided to make some noise about it. I followed the instructions at Wikipedia:Copyright problems & added the template. If I'm mistaken, there isn't much consequence; an admin will simply restore the article. If I was right and brought it up on the talk page (which hadn't been used in two years...) it likely wouldn't have been looked at in quite some time. E_dog95' ^{Hi '} 08:33, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

skin

i changed the skin to my wikipedia but then it no longer allows me again to change the skin for the color is so lame. please help me to restore back to its original skin... thank you so much. hope i can get the answer the soonest possible time. thanks again... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Einalemnna (talk • contribs) 09:03, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Hello, to change the skin you click on my preferences in the top right of the page, then click on Skin tab, select the skin you wish to change to, and then click the Save button. Hope this helps... --Kudret abi^Talk 09:12, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

There is a known problem changing away from some skins in some situations. Try this link. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:36, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

page up for deletion

How can I edit the page I created to a way in which the content would not be deleted? I've updated it with more references and links to provide the necessary proof needed to show that the information is accurate. Is there more that needs to be done? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gatamanga (talk • contribs) 10:31, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

(ec) Mhh, what is the article you are referring to? Articles must have some notability and be referenced to reliable and neutral sources. Could you please provide a link to the article, and I will help you further. Cheers, Qst 10:41, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I guess from your contributions that you refer to Monique Dupree. It has the {{notability}} tag which doesn't mean it's "up for deletion" (a term used when something has been nominated for deletion, for example with {{afd}} or {{prod}}). Please see Help:Section for section heading formatting. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:32, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Block templates

Is there any problem with removing block notification templates from the talk pages of users who aren't blocked? Spaghetti3 has been getting a bit slap-happy and it looks like he's added templates to all of his friends pages. I'm more concerned about this possibly misleading other editors than the accounts themselves, which appear to be mostly for vandalism around The Becket School and Jervis Johnson (which I'm currently trying to unravel). Thanks -- Kateshortforbob 10:40, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

No problem at all. Only admins should add block templates, except in clear cases where they've forgotten. Adding block templates to unblocked accounts is pretty much vandalism. Pedro :  Chat  10:43, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Further looks like User:Qst has sorted a lot of them. Spaghetti3 has got a final warning from me - any more disruption and he'll get the warning - backed up with an actual block... Pedro :  Chat  10:49, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I'll give him a polite warning (If Pedro has not already) I didn't get a chance to comment here, as I had to step away from the computer for a few minutes. Qst 10:58, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing those up, Pedro & QST - I got distracted trying to figure out what on earth is going on with those articles. I'm not sure whether requesting semi-protection would be useful, since a lot of these accounts are probably "aged" enough by now, but 40+ vandalism/reversion edits on The Becket School over the past 2 days seems excessive. I'll keep an eye on them, anyway. Thanks again! -- Kateshortforbob 11:18, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Security in the Watchlist "View and Edit" page

Resolved

I have no idea if this is the right place to ask this...if not please just give me a link to the right forum...

I notice that although I do not have a way to edit my watchlist "view and edit" page (it is not a page with an "edit this page" possibility at the top, you can only add and subtract things...although I wish it did so I could organize it!) someone else has a way to get in there and change things around. For instance, many times I am shown to be watching some entry like "N(word)'s Gone Wild" or "Teens F*cking". I am actually interested in neither of these subjects although I imagine that many people are.

But I wonder then too, given such access, if someone could just erase my whole list? And since there is no "History" tab to restore it it is distressing. It seems like someone would have to have admin status to screw with an account this way, like maybe someone who once had power and because disgruntled and cyber-postal. I don't have any enemies on here, and am not a dispute-y type person (on the Wiki...at Home Depot maybe) and so this is all disconcerting to me.

Please advise! Saudade7 11:57, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Nobody can edit your watchlist (maybe admins can, but not general wikipedians). Is it possible that you have edited these pages at some stage? It may be the case that you are watching all topics that you edit by default (in my preferences -> watchlist.) You can edit the order of your watchlist by clicking "Edit raw watchlist", or following this link. Karlww _{(contribs|talk)} 12:13, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Admin's can't edit someone's watchlist. I think only a developer would be able to get that level of access. Pedro :  Chat  12:15, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

If things are turning up in your watchlist that you've never edited/watched, it is likely because of move vandalism. Someone has moved a page (typically to something rude, hence the titles you mentioned), and the new name gets added to your watchlist. Some on-the-ball editor moves the article back to it's correct name, but unfortunately, you've still got the dodgy title on your list. -- Kateshortforbob 12:18, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict) If a page on your watchlist is moved by anybody then the new name gets on the list and the old name stays there. If it's moved back then the name it temporarily had stays on your watchlist. It sounds like a vandal moved pages on your watchlist to obscene names. Ordinary editors and administrators cannot see your watchlist, not delete pages from it, and only add pages to it by moving pages that happen to be there already. Developers have more access. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:21, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

See also Help:Watching pages. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:24, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Wow! So Fast with the answers! Thanks everyone. I do believe that Kateshortforbob and PrimeHunter are on to the secret -- this makes sense to me as, despite the other suggestions, I am not in the habit of editing teen sex etc. articles! Too funny. Thanks everyone it all makes sense now! Saudade7 12:33, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

• Take a look at Wikipedia:User scripts. If anyone created functionality to sort watchlisted pages, it will be there. The reason there are no edit and talk tabs is because the watchlist is a special page and those are not adaptable by regular page edits. Editable parts are stored in site messages which can only be edited by admins and others with extra abilities. You are the only one who can edit the entries in the list. - 131.211.161.119 (talk) 13:21, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Skeptical about user's picture copyrights

This user has uploaded several pictures of questionable origins. The picture of dogs he has uploaded states they are pics that he has taken of HIS friends dogs (all his friends apparently own labradoodles) but the pictures are a bit fishy. The user has a history of uploading pictures of dogs that are not correctly attributed and they strike me as breeder pics. There is no way I could prove this without searching through breeder pics, but what do you recommend?--Endless Dan 13:16, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I looked at the pictures and they look totally normal to me. There is nothing to suggest that they are breeder photos. The user has only uploaded four pictures and only two of those are of labradoodles. The other two are of other types of dogs. Plus they are not labelled in a repetitive way which suggests they really *were* taken at different times (like "My friend's dog" and "Dog in Australia in 2003". S/he replaced a photo with a better clearer photo in one instance, and that is helpful. I think that unless you can prove that they are taken from somewhere/someone else there is nothing left to do. They look no different than pictures I have taken of my own pets. They don't look professional or well lit. The image of the dog lying on the grass wouldn't be especially good if you were trying to showcase the breed's special traits, which is what I assume a breeder would wish in a photo. But I am not an expert, I guess I just don't *see* what you see and what is bothering you. Saudade7 13:31, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I guess its the borders around the pics. And the user has had other pics removed (noted on their talk page). I guess there is nothing I can really do about it, so I'll let it go.--Endless Dan 14:07, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

the duty of care

what is the difference in the position of the duty of care in England than to the postion of the duty of care in Ireland??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.232.1.49 (talk) 15:14, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Have you tried the Humanities section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:50, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

User Contributions

When looking at "My contributions", or another User's contributions for that matter, is there an option to show only the most recent edit to a particular article? For instance I'd be quite interested to get a list of all the articles I've contributed to, but given that in some cases I've made very many edits to a single article over a period of time, the standard presentation becomes too unwieldy. --rossb (talk) 16:28, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Hello, how about the wannabe_kate edit counter? It groups your edits into categories and lists the 15 most edited pages in each category. Link. --Kudret abi^Talk 21:13, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Recently Deleted Edit

Hello,

I am new to Wikipedia and am trying to find out why a recent edit to the Denver, Colorado page was deleted. How may I inquire about this?Corebizstyle (talk) 16:36, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Edits are reverted for a number of reasons, vandalism is probably the most common, but also adding spam links, not editing neutrally, adding information without proper sources is at times removed, most usually with regards to living persons biographies, and any number of other reasons. Without knowing which edit you are referring to, a guess is all I could give you, as your only edit with that account is to ask this question. If you have a diff you could provide, that would help. Cheers, Ariel♥Gold 16:43, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

(e/c because I type slowly) You can use the "history" tab at the top of the Denver, Colorado article to see who added (and deleted) what. In this case, it appears User:Will Beback has twice deleted the external link that User:Denverco has added to the article; you could ask him about it on his talk page, or (based on your user name) since you appear to have a conflict of interest in adding this link, you could discuss it on the Denver talk page. I would suggest you read through our policies on conflict of interest and sockpuppetry before you start that conversation, as it will help you get your bearings. --barneca (talk) 16:49, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

How do you name your page?

how do you name your page so that when you shearch for whatever you will find it??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.3.175.160 (talk) 16:53, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure I fully understand your question. Titles for articles are chosen according to the manual of style; they are not chosen to facilitate searching (other than trying to chose titles which people are likely to recognize). If several titles could reasonably be used, the article is created with the most common name and the other names are made as redirects. There are several ways to search Wikipedia, see Help:Searching. Additional methods which are used to find pages are categories. Does this answer your question? --TeaDrinker (talk) 18:24, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Note that new pages take some time (maybe a day or two) to be indexed by Wikipedia search. This happens automatically. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:47, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

How can we serve the leprosy

Praise The Lord From MSFS Agency, India 28 th November, 2007

Sub: - Inviting for celebration happy Christmas with leprosy children

Dear Sir/Ma'am,

Greetings & best wishes from Morning Star Fellowship Society(MSFS),Chandigarh.India.We are a service providing for leprosy {NGOs}in India for past 13 years. Hence, we want donate your funds to a needy lepers in all over India through FCRA to get tax exemption benefits and to help the needed organization who are supporting so many humanitarian causes and relief works. We are welcoming the comments and creative ideas from you. Your privacy is assured. This is the first time ever we are writing to you. We feel it will be good to introduce to you about our society. The name of the society is" Morning star Fellowship Society"(MSFS).It was regd.under the Registration of Societies Act 1860 and has been involved in the welfare programmes of leprosy patients who are accommodated in various Colonies in punjab, Haryana,Himachal, Chandigarh and some parts of UP. It has been committed to its cause since 1995.I am happy to introduce myself to you. I am Mr.Balaraman, the President of the Society of Morning Star Fellowship, a non profit Organization, working for the poor people in the areas. To day no organisation ever has come forward to help out these lepers. These lepers are migrated from various parts of the country and they are excommunicated from their village and houses. Since I had been a leper for sometime, I know and experience the pain being a leper for past 38 years of my life. After I was cured, I started this organisation with the help of few generous souls who wanted to help these poor lepers.

We have selected only 36 different colonies who are passing their days in darkness of their life. Once a while we get small grants from the Government as pension for the elderly and sick. With these grants I am managing the whole Society. We have about 1680 to 1690 lepers in these colonies all they are dying without care or support. I visit these colonies once a month. With the help that we get from the Government as pension, we are able to only maintain their day today life. However we are not able to give them a permanent relief by which they can live on their own. I have heard that your organisation that also doing the same work that we do here in this part of our country. I would like to know more from you in which way you can be of help to us. I have all the facilities that more Organization must have especially the man power. I would request your guidance and an possible. Our main aim is to first treat their sickness who are unable to get proper treatment like regular dressing of their chronic wounds bleeding. We have taken the survey there are 894 cases, nerve pain there are 364 cases, cancer 4 casaeseye disease,121 cases, nose bleeding 52 cases, piles 163 cases, asthma 186 cases diabetic 314 cases, blood pressure 195,abdominal 94 cases etc without proper medicines be treatment many have died. In this regard, we need urgent relief from your side which would great help these poor leper people.

Dear Sir/Madam, I would be happy and indeed thankful to you if you could give us a helping hand in helping more leprosy people here in this part of our country. Your contact with our organization can be a great help in helping many and more lepers in this part of our country. I would give all the details of our organization after hearing from you. Waiting to hear from you I remain positive reply. You may visit and verify our work if you have any doubt. With love and prayers, Mr. Balaraman President

This is not the place to ask for donations for your charity, sorry. Qst 17:25, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of new articles

As a frequent help desk "helper" I have noticed that people often ask here when their article is deleted, and I have started to notice a source of frustration amongst (often newbie) editors. I know we have an ongoing problem with articles on non-notable subjects or company advertising, but it does seem to me that on occasions the deleting admins are a little too keen. On more than several occasions, a new page has been deleted before the editor has had a chance to finish it. It must be extremely frustrating for an editor to start developing their page and save their first draft, only to have it deleted - sometimes within minutes - before they have had a chance to flesh it out with the references that assert the subject's notability, for example. Surely, the deleting admin can make note of a possible notability/advertising problem, and then come back to the page in an hour or two to see if it has improved - deleting it if there is a clear problem, or flagging it if it just needs improvement. Astronaut (talk) 17:41, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

As a newpages patroler, I know what garbage enters wikipedia on a regular basis. I also appreciate the difficulty in creating an article as a newbie editor. I have found however that most people who create an article are vocal enough to let themselves be heard if an article they have created is deleted. Unfortunately, more often than not, the reason for deletion really is that the article satisfies the SCD. I won't say there are never any mistakes, but in general, when mistakes are made, they are quickly fixed. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 18:10, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

• Astronaut, I don't know how much spare time you have on your hands, but I don't always have the time to check an entry again after one or two hours. Besides, people ask why their entries get deleted, when they get clear instructions on an empty page to hit the deletion log and see the reason the administrator provided. If anything goes wrong, it is someone not providing a clear enough explanation. We should promote people preparing articles outside the main namespace - I usually start inside my userspace. That way, an entry isn't deleted for lacking references when it is just a first draft. (Anyway, I believe anyone who is suffering from that problem is writing their article in the wrong order. References come first) - Mgm|^(talk) 23:06, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, some articles should start in user space. And some should stay there. My experience as a new pages patroller is that many people are surprised and hurt that they can’t have an autobiography on Wikipedia. It seems to me that the deletion warning template should suggest putting an autobiography on their user page. --teb728 t c 01:00, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

I wrote some thoughts on the deletion problem on User:Teratornis/Outplacement. --Teratornis (talk) 07:43, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Sorting of names in categories

I was just pointed at category:ballet dancers. It seems most articles are sorted per last name, but some by their first names. It seems to have something to do with 'special' names. The ones formatted as two words of normal charactes seem to be listed with their last name, and the rest by their first name. Is there any way to fix that? Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 18:00, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

You may alread know some of this. Sorting is determined by how the names are listed on the individual articles. If somebody puts [[Category:Metal demangers|Joe Slobotnik]] instead of [[Category:Metal demangers|Slobotnik, Joe]], the article sorts by Joe instead of Slobotnik. If you're talking about names that start with Č or Ł, I seem to recall that there is a work-around for Unicode characters, but darned if I remember the details. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:19, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

In fact, I had no clue. I always just [[Category:Metal demangers]] and assume it will be alright. So I should pipe them with the subject name, in 'sorting form' and if it contains unicode, pray? Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 18:21, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

For the full detailed story, go to WP:CATEGORY#Category sorting. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:33, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

And pay special attention to the {{DEFAULTSORT:Slobotnik, Joe}} trick. Put this in once above the first category instead of putting a pipe in each category. Then read the sordid details when you need exceptins in specific categories. -Arch dude (talk) 00:53, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Pesky table width

I have been trying to make the discography table on Buono! match the article's corresponding musical infobox by setting the former's length as a decimal value between 68 and 69%. If I choose 68% the table isn't wide enough...if, on the other hand, I set it for 69%, it becomes wider than I intended it to be.

In the light of the above I would honestly appreciate it if someone could tell me how to work around this issue. --Ishikawa Minoru (talk) 18:07, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Have you tried an absolute value? Eg. "300px" instead of "68%" <Karlww _{(contribs|talk)} 18:20, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, if I did that wouldn't the table look weird on big screens? I've seen tables using absolute values that look pretty weird in 20" high-resolution screens. I wanted to make sure everyone got the best layout possible. -- Ishikawa Minoru (talk) 18:41, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't think it would look weird, it would still be the same size in relation to the text inside. I think the infobox is an absolute size anyway (anybody confirm?) <Karlww _{(contribs|talk)} 19:22, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

On my screen it doesn't seem to make much difference when you go up %1 from 68% to 69%. What exactly are you trying to achieve? What do you mean when you say 68% is not wide enough, or when you say 69% is too wide? --Kudret abi^Talk 21:02, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I want to make the table listing their single releases wide enough so that, if you were to draw a vertical line coming out of the left edge of the infobox template, the two tables (the right edge of the singles table and the left edge of the infobox) would intercept each other. Preferably something that worked on all screens and screen resolutions -- Ishikawa Minoru (talk) 21:09, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Unlikely to happen. Internet Explorer (not 7) has issues with padding and margins, and spacing in general. And it will not work unless you can guarantee the discography box will always be underneath the infobox - which is impossible (I can remove text on top). I'd suggest a simple 100% should be used - then the CSS floats will determine the layout - rather than trying to force a specific way for each resolution. x42bn6 Talk Mess 22:34, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm not using Internet Explorer but rather Mozila Firefox 2.0.0.9. Is the problem you mentioned exclusive to IE?

I suspect it works like that for all browsers, but I guess I had to ask. -- Ishikawa Minoru (talk) 22:45, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I think it is a general statement. Things will also depend on screen resolution, size of the window etc. For some people the table will appear below the infobox, for some it will appear side by side. And a user can always resize the window to whatever he wants, so it is very difficult to come up with something that would look exactly the same for all possibilities. It could be possible to come up with something for this at a lower level (e.g. mediawiki), but it would be quite difficult if not impossible using the wiki markup I think... --Kudret abi^Talk —Preceding comment was added at 23:06, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I would like to thank all those who were kind enough to reply to my questions. You've all be very helpful. -- Ishikawa Minoru (talk) 23:18, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

You are very welcome, please feel free to come back anytime in case of further questions. Best, --Kudret abi^Talk 23:27, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

how to revert pages

I don't understand how to revert a page. How do u do it?

At the top of the page click history, then click Undo next to the change you want to undo. <Karlww _{(contribs|talk)} 18:21, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

And see WP:REVERT for more information. x42bn6 Talk Mess 18:22, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Perushim

There was an omitted statement on that page that I would like to see and may be able to provide a reference for. I am very familiar with this subject and suspect it may have been flagged for political reasons.

Thank you in advance, Efroim Snyder —Preceding unsigned comment added by Redcowgreencow (talk • contribs) 18:32, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I see you added a reference in [6]. See Wikipedia:Citing sources for preferred ways to do it. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:42, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

How do i make a new article

How do i make a new article —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.28.59.253 (talk) 18:33, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:40, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

How do I report a user who is vandlizing the site?

Resolved

I found a single vandelism in an article and corrected it, but I also looked up the user's past edits. All they do is vandelize articles adding things like "blah blah blah" and links to irrelevant gaming sites. Can this user get banned & how do I report it to an admin who can do this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 3countylaugh (talk • contribs) 18:56, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

If the user has recieved a final warning, they can be reported to WP:AIV. :-) Stwalkerster talk 18:57, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

First, the most have recieved a warning on their talk page. Such warnings can be found at Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace. Then, if they continue to vandalize after being warned, report them to WP:AIV. The Placebo Effect (talk) 19:00, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks a ton, they were destinted for WP:AIV as they already had their final warning.3countylaugh (talk) 19:42, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I am not being sent a confirmation email

I cannot activate my accounht for sending/receiving email from other users because I am not being sent a confirmation email after several attempts. My spam filter is not blocking the confirmation email. Gaiarising (talk) 19:09, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Did you check you entered the correct email address? :-) Stwalkerster talk 19:13, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I just checked, and my email address is entered correctly on my preferences page. I need to communicate with VanTucky and cannot do so without email confirmation. :( —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gaiarising (talk • contribs) 19:26, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Unless you need your communication to be private, you can always leave VanTucky (or anyone else) a message on his talk page in the same way that you are posting here (click this link to get to his talk page). His signature in your welcome message also has a link to his talk page (the 'Talk' bit at the end). All the best, EyeSerene^TALK 19:54, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, that's helpful in this instance. But for the long term, I do need to somehow receive that email confirmation code to activate my ability to send & receive email from other Wikipedia users. No confirmation email with code is being sent to my email address. :( Gaiarising (talk) 01:47, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Maybe the mail is stopped by a spamfilter outside your control before it reaches you. You may consider using or creating another mail account, for example a free web-based email (Comparison of webmail providers may be of interest). PrimeHunter (talk) 02:02, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Image licensing

I've noticed that some images from Commons used in WP articles also contain licensing information and a summary box on that page (eg here). Others don't (eg here).

Should all images follow the first example, or is this unnecessary since the license can be found by following the link back to Commons? Thanks, EyeSerene^TALK 19:17, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Hello, I believe that when you click on an image from Wikipedia, the description page on Commons is displayed automatically below the image. So the summary boxes and license information you see actually come from the description page on Commons. The summary box you refer to is the template {{Information}} which provides a nice way to organize the information. It is not a must to use this template and one can write all the info in simple text, but I think it is better to use it when one can for the sake of providing a neat organization of the information. I hope this helps. --Kudret abi^Talk 20:55, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks very much for the response. When I originally posted the two image links above, the second was not showing any license information at all. I've just tried it again... and now it is :P You are obviously correct - the license and other info are transcluded from the Commons page - but I have no idea why this wasn't working earlier. The only thing I can think of is that I've just cleared my cache. Anyway, problem solved, and thanks again for the reply! EyeSerene^TALK 21:43, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

No problem, glad I could be of help :) --Kudret abi^Talk 22:09, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Title change

I would like to know how to change the title of an article. The title Montreal International Jazz festival should not be translate, it should Stay in French like that: Festival International de Jazz de Montréal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jocelynhade (talk • contribs) 19:35, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your query. The naming policy on the English Wikipedia is that article names should be in the form that most English-speakers would be likely to use (the policy is here). If you enter "Festival International de Jazz de Montréal" into the article search box though, you will see that this goes to the same article as "Montreal International Jazz festival" (via a redirect page). Hope this helps, EyeSerene^TALK 19:45, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

How to edit the contents box?

Hello, I wish to add a section to the "contents" box of a subject. How do I go about doing this? Specifically I wish to add "life span" to a dog breed info article.Sheepieness (talk) 20:10, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

The table of contents is automatically generated by its content headings. For example, for every ==Heading== you put in, it puts a section on the table of contents. It also nests headings, for example, ===Subheading=== would put this one subheading down. See WP:TOC. x42bn6 Talk Mess 20:17, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Also, if you want to remove it, add __NOTOC__ to the top of the page. — Rudget _{contributions} 21:25, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Be careful though, if you want to change something because it is your personal preference, you're better off changing your settings or installing a script instead of changing the view for every single user visiting the page. - Mgm|^(talk) 22:57, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

• I imagine Lifespan would be a single sentence of information covered somewhere in the article; I doubt it would need its own heading. Anyway, it will be automatically added to the Table of Contents if you add a header to the text. - Mgm|^(talk) 22:57, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

You want the infobox, not the contents, so we are confused. Sorry. the infobox is a template. You can edit the template to add a new field, but please be very careful unless you have experience with this. The template is a file nin the "template" namespace, and the syntax fro templates can be quite elaborate and confusing. -Arch dude (talk) 00:24, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

I further suggest that you discuss this at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Dog_breeds/Templates since the dog breeds wikiproject seems to be quite active and knowledgable. -Arch dude (talk) 00:31, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Merge accounts

is it possible to merge my old account, which i created as a "pseudonym" that i no longer use, into my current account so i can have credit for my previous edits? The two are the same user. It is not a sock puppet. --Connor401 (talk) 22:44, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

• The easiest solution is to redirect the old account to the new one and make mention of it on your userpage. It is technically possible to attribute old edits to you if you can prove you are the same person, but it is a laborious process only people with developer access can perform. - Mgm|^(talk) 22:54, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
  • See Wikipedia:Changing attribution for an edit which says: "Edits are no longer reattributed, so this page is no longer active". If you would rather keep your old edits than your new edits then see Wikipedia:Changing username and consider renaming your old account or changing it's signature. If you request renaming then explain the situation and name your existing new account. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:54, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

eagles music group,don felder.

when and why did Don Felder leave the Eagles band. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.102.142.53 (talk) 23:03, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Hello, this section is for Wikipedia related questions only so perhaps you would like to ask your question at Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Entertainment. Regards, Kudret abi^Talk 23:11, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

You can also see our articles about Don Felder and Eagles. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:34, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

November 29

Will ever scientists find The Element Which Has No Mass But Has Resistence. What scientist will be able to answer this question?

A thought came yesterday to my mind. Is there any element in the universe or in the world which has no mass, but has resistense? And I would like to find out if it is really exist. The thought came during my travelling. I had heavy suitcase, and dreamed about a suitcase without any mass, but that could contain my clothes which I need during a trip. Who will be able to answer this question? May be one day sientists will discover this element? Who knows. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.204.28.144 (talk) 00:23, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Depending on how you define mass and resistance, the answer may be no by definition. Inertial mass defines: "Inertial mass is the mass of an object measured by its resistance to acceleration." Have you tried the science section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:29, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

By resistance you must mean mechanical strength. Your idea sounds like a force field around the clothes. This belongs currently in the domain of Science Fiction. However there are other ways to make your suitcase lighter. You can go on the Space Station, there gravity becomes so small they call it microgravity and your suitcase would actually float in such an environment. Dr.K. (talk) 00:35, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, really the force of gravity is nearly the same at the ISS (which I assume you mean by space station). That you are weightless in space is a common misperception. Truly you are just in an endless fall. Prodego ^talk 00:39, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

"you are just in an endless fall" is a possible definition of weightlessness. Mass and weight are often considered different terms and you are certainly not massless in a free fall. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:09, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

All comes down to reference frame really. Prodego ^talk 01:14, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

True. Dr.K. (talk) 01:28, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. Also according to Newton's law of universal gravitation the force of attraction that the suitcase will experience from the Earth is inversely proportional to the square of the distance of the suitcase from the centre of the Earth. Therefore the weight of the suitcase will be extremely small in space as long as the suitcase is far enough from the earth. At multiple times the Earth radius where the gravitational field of the Earth becomes very small the weight of the suitcase will diminish. The space station is too close to the Earth to qualify for microgavity status based on the Newtonian Universal Gravitation Law. The microgravity effect on the space station is a function of the centrifugal force of the orbit cancelling the Earth's attraction but the efffect on the suitcase is nonetheless the same. Dr.K. (talk) 01:13, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

(undent) I would guess that by the time time scientists could build a suitcase with negligible mass, Moore's law will have advanced so far that physical travel will be largely unnecessary (see: telepresence, videoconferencing, telecommuting, etc.). Therefore we won't need suitcases. --Teratornis (talk) 07:53, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

In the meantime, while some people still feel they have to travel due to the limitations of our primitive computers and networks, one way to approximate a massless suitcase would be to rent changes of clothing at the destination. Then you would only have to transmit money to pay for the clothing rental, and money being information is virtually massless from a practical standpoint. --Teratornis (talk) 07:56, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Excellent points. However for those insisting on suitcase use we still have some more alternatives. Use of a lightweight plastic bag or the more advanced graviton inhibitors but the latter may be sometime in coming. Dr.K. (talk) 16:02, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Maybe Albert Einstein's great great great ect. grandson could figure it out.(Brian smith,age 9)

create a search link

I have often edited existing articles but i just created one for the first time: [7] how do i make this article appear in the search list in a normal wikipedia search on say "Flanders Fields", or "Leon Wolff", or "1917 Campaign"? i though wikipedia would have created a search link automatically. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nishad Mohan (talk • contribs) 00:51, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia search takes some time (maybe a day or two) to index new articles. It happens automatically. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:58, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Footnotes

How do I make my footnote sit above the regular text?Laurenschlager (talk) 01:39, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Footnotes for recommended ways to make footnotes in Wikipedia. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:43, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

SCTV QUESTION

I posted a question wijipedia a cfew fats ago but I don't know how to look up anyt answers given.

HELP!!!!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.190.226.34 (talk) 02:54, 29 November 2007 (UTC) 

I think this is what you are looking for: Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Archives/Entertainment/2007_November_10#SCTV-_COLLEGE_BOWL --Kudret abi^Talk 03:21, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

San Francisco county

raedwulf1604:42, 29 November 2007 (UTC)Raedwulf16 (talk)HI in doing research on statoids,i have noticed that information about almost all counties in the usa present info about "Adjacent Counties".Some fewRaedwulf16 (talk) 04:42, 29 November 2007 (UTC) are lacking this info.When i find a county article that does not have this information,I look up the material and edit the page to reflect the addition.All my changes have remained unaltered except for San Francisco County.I can not believe that SF would not wish this very useful info presented ...I did notice that the page had a note asking that new articles should be sent to one of Wickipedia's "daughter pages"..What is a "daughter " page and how do I access one?

Hello, thanks for the question. If you go to the article you mentioned, that is San_Francisco,_California, and click on the History tab on the top of the page, you will see a revision history. There you can see your revision and who changed the article after you. In this case looking at the revisions after you, it can be seen that the information you added was removed by User:Paul.h with the reason "Lists are discouraged in articles, see WP:EMBED also, information about counties belongs in List of counties in California not in each county article." So I advise you to read WP:EMBED to see why your info was removed, and after reading if you still have questions, you can ask again here, or at Wikipedia_talk:Embedded_list, or at Talk:San_Francisco,_California. I hope this helps. --Kudret abi^Talk 06:36, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

login to en.wikipedia not valid for de.wikipedia?

Hi there, I tried to login with my en.wikipedia data to de.wikipedia; it was not possible. do I have to get another set of login/password? that would be quite inconvenient, since I also would like to visit fr.wikipedia ... greetings

gunter —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mgunter (talk • contribs) 05:13, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, unfortunately. That is a feature that is being worked on—see m:SUL for the really long story behind this. Titoxd^{(?!? - cool stuff)} 05:17, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

I shouldn’t think it would be a great problem: Just a one-time configuration--one minute per wiki. You can probably register for the same username on the other wikis and use the same password. If you click on the equivalent of “Remember my logon on this computer,” you should only have to login once on each project. I move seamlessly between Wikipedia, Wiktionary, and Commons. --teb728 t c 05:44, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

redirect?

The article Learning by teaching is existing. But this method (very bright used in Germany) has an other name: LdL or LDL. How could I create the item LdL or LDL, redirecting on Learning by teaching?--Jeanpol (talk) 06:03, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

To create a redirect, just create the article LdL with the content "#REDIRECT Learning by teaching" (without quotes). However, LDL already exists as a redirect to Low density lipoprotein, so in this case you would want to disambiguate - probably by editing Low density lipoprotein and adding a hatnote that says "LDL may also refer to Learning by teaching" or something similar. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 06:15, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

At the moment LDL already ridirects to Low density lipoprotein. You will need to add a hatnote as mentioned above or modify the redirect page here [8] into a disambiguation WP:DAB also include the page you want. But please read WP:REDIR and WP:DAB before doing so. Thank you. --Kudret abi^Talk 06:16, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

But is LdL used in English for this method? If so, what does it stand for? --Orange Mike | Talk 06:28, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

@Orangemike: Thank you for your answer. LdL ist the German shortcut for "Lernen durch Lehren" (= Learning by teaching). But by now LdL seams to be used in English too, because of the fact that this method is broad implemented in Germany and expanding in other countries. So I yesterday get a mail in English from a university in Philipines asking for materials about LdL. That's the reason why I'm looking for the item LdL in the English wikipedia.

A quick google search suggests that LDL usually means Low density lipoprotein. I'd suggest adding {{redirect|LDL}} to the top of Low density lipoprotein. That will create a note saying something like "LDL redirects here. For other meanings, see LDL (disambiguation)." I'd do it myself, except someone needs to create the disambig page. Regards, Ben Aveling 10:30, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you very much!--Jeanpol (talk) 11:53, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunaltely I was not very successful creating a page "Disambiguation". Sorry for having disturbed!--Jeanpol (talk) 15:17, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

@Ben Aveling: now I have managed it. Thanks a lot!--Jeanpol (talk) 16:25, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

About times of India

about times of india —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.180.14.24 (talk) 07:18, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Maybe Indian Standard Time or History of India is what you want. If not then please be more specific. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:53, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Maybe The Times of India? -- Kateshortforbob 14:00, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Use of Sports Categories for Professional wrestling

Why do we use sports categories for professional wrestling articles? It's a physical performance art isn't it? There is no competition and the outcomes are predetermined - so it seems odd to use "sport". --Fredrick day (talk) 10:19, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

• You could ask why it's called wrestling then... Wrestling is supposed to be a sport... - 131.211.161.119 (talk) 10:32, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

WP:OR v WP:COI

Well, normally I answer stuff here but I'm stumped! I'm a very close relative of someone who has an entry on Wikipedia. (no point looking in my contrib history as I've specifically never edited the article due to COI). However to expand the article a photo of the person would be valuable. WP:OR says that photos are generally exempt, so no problem of course. However as a relative WP:COI says I shouldn't go near the article. I could of course avoid the whole thing by creating a sock to upload the picture, but that's not really the spirit of WP:SOCK IMHO....or maybe it is. Thoughts anyone ? Pedro :  Chat  10:38, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

• WP:COI was made to prevent people from starting unsuitable articles or add overly promotional or super-positive info into it. If you stick to the proper uploading procedure and provide source and copyright information, you shouldn't be in any trouble. As long as they understand the copyright issues attached to uploading pictures here, the subjects of articles are actually welcome to do it themselves. Improving articles by adding a single picture has nothing to do with COI. - 131.211.161.119 (talk) 11:53, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

(E/C) As you've already stated original research isn't a problem. COI isn't a problem either. Wikipedia is not a bureaucracy. We don't enforce or encourage technocratic, slavish adherence to rules as if they are hidebound laws. Rather we treat them flexibly as rules of thumb that guide us to do what's best for the encyclopedia, which is why WP:IAR is one of our five core policies. WP:COI is a guideline which seeks to discourage edits which generally lead to problems with verifiability and neutral point of view. Your proposed action invokes no problem with either. Run, get your camera, and don't give it a second thought.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 11:56, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Okay, thanks both. Sound advice. Pedro :  Chat  12:19, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

How do I edit the "Title" of a page I have created

Hi,

The title is in small letters & I want to Capitalise (Block Letters) some key words therein.

The "edit this page" feature doesn't have an option to edit the "Title".

Can you please help me?

Regards,

Aman —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aman Zaidi (talk • contribs) 12:34, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

• Once your account is 4 days old, you can use the move button to move and effectively rename a page. If you share the title with us and tell how you want it changed, someone can do this one for you before the 4 days are up. - 131.211.161.119 (talk) 12:38, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

I moved the article for you. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:45, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank You! That was very nice of you! Will have to explore what the "Move" button is about later! :-) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aman Zaidi (talk • contribs) 10:59, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Claiming an IP address

Sometimes I forget to log in when I am contributing to an article. This way, a list of contributions in kept both under my username and my IP address. It mostly concerns alterations to the same pages, only spread accross the two accounts. Is there a way to "claim" the contributions I made without logging in? In other words, I would like to merge user 82.93.60.5 [9] into my nickelvd account. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nickelvd (talk • contribs) 13:10, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Changing attribution for an edit which says: "Edits are no longer reattributed, so this page is no longer active". You can mention the situation with links or redirects on the user pages. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:21, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

• Are you absolutely sure you don't have a shared IP address? - 131.211.161.119 (talk) 14:42, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

I guess so. The changes I made using the IP are all done by me. The IP refers to one computer, which is used by nobody else but me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nickelvd (talk • contribs) 09:18, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Is there any way to find out what country account was originated from?

Hello. There is one account, which could be SPA account. I wonder, if we could find out the country of origin. Thank you.--Mbz1 (talk) 14:02, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

• For some IPs it might be possible, but knowing the country is not enough evidence to base anything on. The easiest mode of action is to request blocking if the SPA is disruptive, but make sure they have been warned. - 131.211.161.119 (talk) 14:50, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
• A few editors with checkuser privilige can see the IP address used by an account, and that often reveals the country. But Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser has demands before applying checkuser. See also meta:CheckUser policy. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:52, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Not likely. Wikimedia's privacy policy, and the MediaWiki software, prevent the sharing of personal information from registered users. If the account is proving to be abusive and you suspect sockpuppetry, then you may file a request for checkuser and they will determine if sockpuppets are evident. Be aware, however, that Checkuser is not for phishing, and is only done in severe cases of account abuse. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 14:53, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

• Thank you all for the responses. Maybe I should have explained the situation better. I've nominated the image to get an FP status (the image was not taken by me). There were few "support" and few "oppose" votes One "support" vote was placed from the account, which was used only to support this nomonation. So now I kind of feel a shadow of suspicion over this support vote and I hoped that, if we could find out the country the vote was casted from, it could clear the things up. After reading your responces I'm not sure, if there's enough reasons to request for checkuser. What do you think? Thank you.--Mbz1 (talk) 15:30, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

• It sounds insufficient for checkuser. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:38, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

• I wouldn't worry too muich about it. A single vote isn't going to affect things much. I would be more worried if more votes come from recently created accounts. - Mgm|^(talk) 20:31, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

• Thank you.--Mbz1 (talk) 21:55, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

creating bio stubs

How does one create a bio stub? I cannot see anywhere proper instructions to this effect¬¬¬¬ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jrwboyd (talk • contribs) 14:27, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Stub. Add {{bio-stub}} or a more specific stub template. I have reverted this edit which was in the wrong place. A biography of Peter Boyd can be created at Peter Boyd.

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:37, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Radio Show Manual of Style

Hello, I'm trying to clean up a radio show's wikipedia article. While the show appears notable (it's nationally syndicated) a lot of the information on this page and associated pages are not notable. I request AFDs for their producer and side-kick pages and tried cleaning up the disc jockey pages (they had pictures of dogs on their pages), but the main article is a cluster of useless or unsourced info. Like notable skits and friends of the show (with links to their MySpace pages) do not belong on here. But before I start chopping away, I want to know if their is a guide I can follow or refer to when I make note of my editing? Also anyone out there who can help with the cleaning - it would be much appreciated :-) --Endless Dan 14:50, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

• I'd try to find a featured article to use as a template to build on. - 131.211.161.119 (talk) 14:52, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
• Talk:The Bob & Tom Show says it's supported by Wikipedia:WikiProject Radio. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:57, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
  • That doesn't mean much other then it's a radio related article. Fartman is supported by WP:RADIO. --Endless Dan 15:11, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
    • It for example means you could discuss it at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Radio. And Wikipedia:WikiProject Radio#Articles links some good articles about radio shows, but I don't know whether they are helpful. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:18, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Wikifying

Is it possible to have 'too many' wiki links in an article? I spent a lot of time wikifying an article only to see someone had undone all my changes and said 'what an overload of uneeded wiki links'. As I am new I thought this was very rude - now i'm unsure what links should actually be included? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Katsp8 (talk • contribs) 14:59, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Manual of Style (links). PrimeHunter (talk) 15:03, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree many of the removed links in [10] were unneeded. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:11, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

We even have a specific guideline about over-linking. -Arch dude (talk) 02:38, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Tupac

Please,Please,Please I'm tryin to find out a reference tupac made in a few songs and one particlular interview with Shock G where he brought up a CAPITAL F for fairly, touching subject to him, & probably whoever friggin watched it.... bout 1 of his fallen comrades going by the name of (which is where the question lies) Kato??? K-Dogg??? K-Dough(sound it out) Please let me know.... Adouring fan No.1 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.228.179.56 (talk) 15:20, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

J-Dawg and B-Rizzle is unreferenced but claims they were killed in 1994 (before Tupac Shakur). Could it be J-Dawg? Have you tried the Humanities section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:30, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Can I see how many people have visited my webpage?

Is there a counter or any tool that tells me how many hits I've had on my wiki? If so, where can I find this? How would I enable such a tool? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.53.151.57 (talk) 15:22, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

If you have installed your own wiki with MediaWiki software then see mw:Manual:$wgDisableCounters. Counters are disabled in Wikipedia for performance reasons. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:36, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

• Some people refer to articles they create as "their wikis". Don't make the same mistake. PrimeHunter provided a great link. A wiki is a site like Wikipedia using the collaborative software we use. You most likely referred to a page rather than a wiki. - Mgm|^(talk) 20:29, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

If you really do mean your own Web page on a site you administer, you might be interested in Google Analytics. --Teratornis (talk) 00:02, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

E-mail

I am trying to find mr. Dan Saleaumua but having a proble I can't see any contact on your site to send an e-mail to him. Please would you foward my e-mail address to him if you a way of contacting him. I would appreciate it very much,,,,,,,,thank you so much.. my e-mail:<email removed>.

Thnx..

fm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.185.218.219 (talk) 16:19, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

To e-mail a registered Wikipedia editor through Wikipedia, you must first create an account with an e-mail address. You can then go to the user's user page and click on the E-mail this user link in the sidebar. If this person is not a Wikipedia editor, this is not the place to try to contact them. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 16:30, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

This is an encyclopedia. We have a huge number of biographies including Dan Saleaumua but we are not in contact with the subjects and we don't look for or publish their e-mail addressess. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:37, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

How can you tell if the photos on wikipedia are free

Hi. I'm new to wikipedia. As it says it is a free encyclopedia I thought maybe all the photos on it were free to use. Can you tell me when I can and cannot use a photo. I am wanting photos of birds, nests and eggs. Anything to do with English garden birds and birds of prey. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.139.79.111 (talk) 17:04, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Click on an image to see its license. Only some images are free to use for any purpose. See more at Wikipedia:Image copyright tags. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:12, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

You also may want to search in the Wikimedia Commons, as all media there is in the public domain or under a free license. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 18:03, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Please look at CIA

Can anyone help me find the coding error in that article? I spend over 5 minutes trying in vain to find what made the reference section look so terrible. The error survives over 3 days (the last correct revision was by 65.96.117.167). Now I surrender. Help! @pple complain 17:16, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Fixed. --Silver Edge (talk) 17:27, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

What can I do?

What kind of things can i put on my user page. the places that ive looked havent been very helpful. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rholloway71 (talk • contribs) 17:25, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Have you read Wikipedia:User page? --Silver Edge (talk) 17:28, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

(e/c) You can put userboxes on your page (check out the "gallery" section at the bottom). I also found Transhumanist's guide very useful when creating my userpage. --Kateshortforbob 17:32, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

If Wikipedia:User page is more restrictive than you prefer, you can put autobiographical content which is unsuitable for a Wikipedia user page on WikiBios. --Teratornis (talk) 22:25, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Also see WP:EIW#User_p for (probably) everything there is to know about user pages. But also see WP:NOT#MYSPACE. --Teratornis (talk) 23:49, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Defining new CSS classes or IDs?

Is there any way to create a new CSS class or ID in a single page, but have it apply to all viewers? The only thing I can find is to modify my own monobook.js, which would apply only to me, or a site-wide change to MediaWiki:Common.css which is obviously not an option. I tried using <style></style> tags but MediaWiki seems to escape them out. I can't just use inline CSS style="" attribs because common classes are overriding it. —dgies^t_c 18:13, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Why is MediaWiki:Common.css not an option? MediaWiki talk:Common.css has an {{explanation}} template at the top which tells how to request changes to MediaWiki:Common.css. If your request is good, it might happen. That's the only way I know to do what you are trying to do, but then again I am not an expert on CSS with Wikipedia. Someone else may know a trickier way. --Teratornis (talk) 23:56, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

How Do I Solve This Problem?

I noticed that your page on the Pokemon Trading Card Game (Video Game) is inaccurate. It details the legendary Moltres card’s power as randomly giving you between one and four fire energy cards. I, being an owner of this game, know this to be false. The only problem is that I don’t know how many are possible. I once received twelve fire energy cards using this card, and I am sure it is possible to get more. How can I tell the creator of that article that there info is inaccurate? 209.181.124.12 (talk) 18:21, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

You can either go to Pokémon Trading Card Game (video game) and click "edit" and make any changes yourself. Or if you're unsure what the texy should say, go to Talk:Pokémon Trading Card Game (video game) and ask what the article's other contributers think should be done. —dgies^t_c 18:30, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

You need to find an article detailing this information; then make the change to the article yourself, providing the source from which you got the information. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:31, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Pokémon Trading Card Game (video game)#Exclusive cards says "randomly places from one to four Fire Energy cards". You could comment on Talk:Pokémon Trading Card Game (video game), or remove the unsourced alleged number by clicking "edit" at the section, or add {{fact}} to the claim if you have doubts. Most articles have many contributors. Only add a replacement claim if you have a reliable source. A random experience from playing the game is not good enough. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:34, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Note that I'd cite it as a source, but I cannot find anything other than 1-4 Fire Energy cards (see [11]). x42bn6 Talk Mess 22:57, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Chronic low grade vandalism

What's appropriate course of action for this vandal? [12] --Seans Potato Business 18:55, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

The IP may have many users at a high school. Some edits are constructive and the vandalism is low level. I would say: continue to revert and warn but don't report at WP:AIV (probably no action would be taken for this level). PrimeHunter (talk) 19:09, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Actually this repeat vandal got 6 months. --teb728 t c 19:50, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Oh, that's tough. I saw 2 small vandalism edits in the last week, some constructive edits earlier, and I didn't check the block log. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:53, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Quoting directly from a source

I want to make sure I'm doing this properly. I found a great quote in a magazine article and I know quoting is discouraged, but I think most people would agree this one is a classic.

TV commercials for WTJM "feature former New York mayor Ed Koch, not exactly someone you expect to emerge from the P-Funk mother ship."[[User:Vchimpanzee|<b><font color="Green">'''Vchimpanzee"'</font></b>]] (talk) 19:00, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

If you want to quote a piece of text, make sure to add <blockquote> at the beginning of the text and </blockquote> at the end. If you want to see how to quote in a citation, see here. — Rudget _{contributions} 19:57, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

I messed up my signature, too

Look at my signature. I seem to have messed it up while copying what I believed to be the code for making it green. [[User:Vchimpanzee|<b><font color="Green">'''Vchimpanzee"'</font></b>]] (talk) 19:02, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Simple, put the html code outside of the square brackets. <Karlww _{(contribs|talk)} 19:05, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, let's see if it worked.[[User:Vchimpanzee]]|<b><font color="Green">'''Vchimpanzee"'</font></b> (talk) 19:09, 29 November 2007 (UTC) Oh, forget it.Vchimpanzee (talk) 19:11, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

I think the problem is that your preferences are reading that as your nickname. Change the code back to the way it was (The second version won't work) and check the "Raw Signature" box just below where you stick the code. That should tell the software to read the code as code and not as text, and display it properly. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 19:21, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks.User:Vchimpanzee|Vchimpanzee"' 19:25, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

As Count Basie once said, one more time.Vchimpanzee"' 19:26, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

As fans of "April in Paris" know, he said it twice. Vchimpanzee 19:29, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

You might like to include something like this as well, so there is a talk link:

([[User talk:Vchimpanzee|talk]])

<Karlww _{(contribs|talk)} 19:39, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Is there a template to produce a "slide show" style image gallery?

I've read around the image help and picture tutorial but can't seem to find the answer to this. I'm aware of the <gallery> tag and the {{gallery}} template, but I'm looking for something that lets the reader flip through a series of pictures. For an example, see the French language wikipedia article fr:Pétra. That uses a template named ? {{Images}} (see sections Géologie and Principaux monuments, for example), but this doesn't seem to exist in the English wikipedia. For starters, I'd like to display some representative pictures in the article on David Roberts (painter), without overwhelming the text.

Is there a similar template here? Is there a way to use the French template? Is there a reason why we shouldn't use this type of template? (I can see that it might not translate well to a print version, but that would seem to be a decision for a later time.) To me it seems to be a much less intrusive presentation in certain circumstances than the full gallery presentation. Rupert Clayton (talk) 19:17, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Please rectify the rendering of your paste titles. I'll be able to help then. — Rudget _{contributions} 19:55, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Text got messed up by software change, I think. Fixed now. Rupert Clayton (talk) 20:31, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Gibney Beach editing

Resolved

On the Gibney Beach wikipedia article. The article is correct on the editing page; however when looking at the website it is incorrect. Several subheadings and paragraphs are deleted. Why is this? Thank you. Mdst101 (talk) 19:48, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

It seems you've edited the page the most recently. Did you preview the page and not save it? — Rudget _{contributions} 19:54, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

There was a reference problem but Mdst101 has now fixed it. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:29, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Accidents

I cannot make the squad box which I am trying to make (Czechoslovakia 1960 European Cup) work. It keeps displaying {{{pos1}}} etc. It is a no numbers box. Help?! WilliamF1 (talk) 20:12, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Fixed. There were some vertical bars that needed to be changed to equals signs. Here's a link to what I did. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 20:42, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

New Pages!

How do I find the latest pages on wikipedia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gamecube1 (talk • contribs) 20:16, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

The list of the most recent pages on Wikipedia can be found at Special:Newpages. However, be warned that a large portion of these pages are unencyclopedic, nonsensical, or of very low quality, and many are quickly deleted. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 20:35, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Lost Archive

There seems to have been a move made from the article Cantonese (linguistics) to Cantonese (language). We need an administrator's help to first undo this move. Also the discussion archive was lost? I really don't know how a page could be moved without its archive, but apparently it did. You can see the red link on the talk page and it is missing. Can we get some administrator assistance? Thanks. Benjwong (talk) 20:54, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

I moved the archive. Why do you want to undo the move? It seems to me that Cantonese (language) is a more appropriate name for the page. --teb728 t c 21:39, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree with TEB728 but if you want to request this move, you can follow the procedures at requested moves, which involve opening a discussion on the article's talk page regarding the move. It's a good idea to to cite to a section of our naming conventions guideline which supports your reasoning for the proposed name change.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:21, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for finding the archive. Yes we will keep it there for now. The reason for keeping it at (linguistics) is because a number of other dialects are also listed at (linguistics). Thanks for the help and advice. Benjwong (talk) 22:35, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

reference

How do you site wikipedia in a research paper using APA style if there is no listed author? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.33.64.65 (talk) 21:30, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Why are you citing Wikipedia? We're not a primary source. Cite the references to the information you found here. -Wooty [Woot?] [Spam! Spam! Wonderful spam!] 21:36, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Re: Wooty,

Wikipedia can be a primary source if you are writing about Wikipedia. Sociologists, Anthropologists, Psychologists, Cultural Historians, Educators, etc. might all use the Wikipedia as an object of study, looking at the interactions of people on the Wiki, recurrent biases in articles, the patterns of creation and deletion of articles, democratic or anarchistic models of mass contribution, or even just analysing curt and dismissive responses to valid questions such as the one you offered this person before knowing the nature of his or her interest. Shalom, on the otherhand, offered the information without bias. Just my observation. Saudade7 02:06, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Mind AGF and don't hide your personal attacks behind prose to try to be sneaky. We get this question often, and most of the time it's someone who doesn't know better than to cite an encyclopedia and end up with a failing grade (lethal on most "research papers"). It is highly unlikely that the questioner is discussing Wikipedia itself, and even that would be unlikely to require a citation (also consider people in those fields would likely have a copy of the APA handbook on hand). Regardless, there is really no way to cite Wikipedia 100% correctly via APA as it requires an author for encyclopedia citations ("References for encyclopedias must include the following elements: author(s) or editor(s), date of publication, title, place of publication, and the name of the publisher.") The best thing you can do is the below, use a different format, or (like I stated) use the reference itself. -Wooty [Woot?] [Spam! Spam! Wonderful spam!] 03:08, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

What's AGF? Sorry you thought it was an attack, or that it was prose. I meant neither. I thought I was pretty open and straight-forward in calling it as I saw it. I thought you were too curt to the person asking the question. You might also be surprised about what undergraduate students want to write their papers on these days. And in this online age, when people adapt articles for a variety of classes, even journals, they often go online to look up specific styles, e.g. APA. Not everyone can afford something like Endnote. That said, if it really is, as you say, a question you get all the time, you might craft a nicer response to keep at hand to cut and paste, rather than letting your annoyance get the better of you. Saudade7 23:08, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Go to any article, then click on "cite this article" at the bottom of the left sidebar, below the search box. For example, go to History of Chicago, click "Cite this article", and you will see the following for APA citation style

History of Chicago. (2007, November 16). In Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia. Retrieved 21:35, November 29, 2007, from http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=History_of_Chicago&oldid=171847054

I hope this helps. Shalom (Hello • Peace) 21:38, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Page wallpaper

ok, how do I make my page wallpaper and how do i get a picture? from,NarutoGirl0990 (talk) 22:59, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:User page is a good place to start regarding your user page. I am not sure if it is possible to add a wallpaper to a user page though... --Kudret abi^Talk 23:20, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

See WP:EIW#User_p for (probably) everything there is to know about user pages. But also see WP:NOT#MYSPACE. --Teratornis (talk) 23:46, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Asthma vandalism

Asthma should be locked. Repeated vandalism has resulted in the strange breakage of references. --Seans Potato Business 23:29, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Hello, protection requests should be made at WP:RFPP. Thank you... --Kudret abi^Talk 23:32, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

The problem was caused by a software error earlier today and not vandalism. I will fix the page. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:37, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

I also reverted the article to the last version where the references seem to work, I hope this helps. --Kudret abi^Talk 23:38, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, you beat me to it. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:41, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Ah, for once :) You always beat me in answering questions here though :) --Kudret abi^Talk 23:44, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Changing my First Paragraph

I made a new page and I want to edit the "first paragraph" material with is above my fist sub-heading section. There is no "edit" option for that "first paragraph" section which appears before the navigation aid. How do I edit the "first paragraph" material?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonnie711 (talk • contribs) 23:51, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

You can just click on the "edit this page" tab on the top of the page. --Kudret abi^Talk 23:53, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

See also: WP:SECT#Editing before the first section. --Teratornis (talk) 23:59, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

I should add that the text above the first section heading has a name: the lead section. And as with everything else on Wikipedia, we have guidelines for it (see: WP:LEAD). --Teratornis (talk) 01:08, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

November 30

Where do I find the banner / tag templates?

I don't know what they are called, which is half the problem. I am looking for the one of those things you put at the top of the page that says something along the lines of "This article needs to be rewritten to meet Wikipedia's style guidelines"; or, colloquially, "This article shouldn't be so chatty and informal" etc.

Case in point from the Stroller history page (which cites no sources and reads like a broken up (but not bad) undergraduate essay.:

"Ever since babies have been born, parents have looked for a convenient way of traveling with their children. From slings to pouches, babies have been transported in a number of ways. Today we do it a bit differently, but how did we get our modern day strollers? Where did it all start?"

Thanks in advance Saudade7 01:53, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Template messages for a list of pretty much everything in this area. For the specific types of messages you are referring to see, I think Wikipedia:Template messages/Cleanup is what you are looking for.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 02:00, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Fuhghettaboutit for the fast reply! Saudade7 02:08, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 02:49, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

WHERE IS THE COPYWRITE DATE?

Im doing a project for Ela and i cant find your copywrite date where is it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.61.65.66 (talk) 02:22, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Hello. The license Wikipedia uses grants free access to our content in the same sense as free software is licensed freely. This principle is known as copyleft. That is to say, Wikipedia content can be copied, modified, and redistributed so long as the new version grants the same freedoms to others and acknowledges the authors of the Wikipedia article used (a direct link back to the article satisfies our author credit requirement). Thus, there's no copyright per se (note the spelling of that word:-), though this still is in the realm of copyright law. For more on this, please see Wikipedia:Copyrights. To cite an article, click on "Cite this article" from th toolbox links on the lefthand side of an article. Note also that every page in Wikipedia lists at the bottom "This page was last modified..." Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 02:58, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

You may want to read Wikipedia:Citing Wikipedia for information on how to properly cite wikipedia in a paper. --Sopoforic (talk) 03:44, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

If you need a date of the version you looked at, it's at the bottom of each article in the footer. Mac Davis (talk) 05:38, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

words of songs

how do i find the name of a song from a line of the song? Aebe (talk) 02:47, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

You type it into a search field at Google.com or Yahoo.com or a host of similar sites, in quotes if you know the exact words, and let the magic begin. Search engines are our friends.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 03:03, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

If you get too many search results, sometimes you can narrow down a search for a song by adding the keyword "lyric" to your search terms. For example: I saw him dancin' there by the record machine lyric finds I Love Rock 'n' Roll by Joan Jett as the top result (although the link is not to the Wikipedia article, since Wikipedia articles typically do not contain song lyrics, which are generally copyrighted). --Teratornis (talk) 09:01, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Styling Template:Fact

Is there any way to style Template:Fact and similar citation templates using CSS? I took a look at the source but I can't find any classes or IDs to style with. Mfko (talk) 02:58, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Use the class "Template-Fact". So for example to hide them altogether you would use:

 .Template-Fact { display: none }

– Gurch 09:58, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Clarification of Notability Example

I am a photographer of noteworthy accomplishment. However, my wikipedia page was recently nominated for deletion due to unsatisfactory notability. We had looked at Art Wolfe's page [13] to understand what was required. Reviewing it again, I'm unclear how his qualified and mine did not. Can you point out which things on his page qualify him, so I can understand what other information I need to include in mine? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.166.89.116 (talk) 03:39, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Without knowing which article you mean, it's difficult to say, but the things on Art Wolfe that indicate notability are the several books published (by normal publishers, not vanity presses) and the list of awards won. --Sopoforic (talk) 03:46, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

A Google search of Art Wolfe yields 193,000 results; a Google search of Dan Karvasek yields 177 hits. Under my real name I get more than 177 hits, am published, and I am still not notable enough to have my own Wiki article. Saudade7 23:18, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

qualification

are international students required Toefl degree to be accepted to your college? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tommy naies (talk • contribs) 03:47, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a college, it is an encyclopedia. I think you have the wrong site. -Wooty [Woot?] [Spam! Spam! Wonderful spam!] 03:48, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

If you mean Wikiversity, no. It is an open University. Anyone can study its materials and do its learning activities. (But you may also want to check TOEFL for more info if you want to apply to other universities). Good luck. Dr.K. (talk) 03:58, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Were you reading an article on Wikipedia about some university? If so, you should go back to the article you were reading, and look either in the External links section at the bottom, or in the infobox at the top right, and you should find a link to the official Web site for that university. Wikipedia has many articles on many subjects, but only a small number of articles are about things that Wikipedia is actually associated with (such as: Wikipedia, MediaWiki, and Wikimedia Foundation). --Teratornis (talk) 08:51, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Video game websites

The article listed here [14] does not contain the site www.projectcoe.com

It should be listed under the "P" section as Project COE. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikemosha90 (talk • contribs) 03:53, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

That page is a category and categories are only for listing Wikipedia articles. We don't appear to have an article about Project COE. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:57, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Id this just like a excyclopeida

I need to know when making a bibilography if I should do it as an internet line or as an excylopedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.36.189.41 (talk) 03:55, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

The page Wikipedia:Citing Wikipedia should help you. Also, each article has a link in the toolbox on the left side of your page that says "Cite this article". That link will provide you citations in several different formats. Before doing so, however, make sure you check with your teacher or professor that Wikipedia is acceptable to use as a source, and remember that our information is not guaranteed to be 100% accurate. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 03:59, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

How to add a "disambiguation" page to an article, and then add a new article for the same title.

How do I add a "disambiguation" page to an article, and then add a new article for the same title? I'm trying to do this to the D_star page, since it also refers to a search algorithm used in artificial intelligence similar to the A_star you have an article about. Thanks, Omar —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.6.45.214 (talk) 04:10, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

1. Create your new page as D-STAR (algorithm)
2. perform a search to see if there are additinal pages that should be listed on the disambiguation page.
3. Use the move button to move D-STAR to D-STAR (protocol).
4. edit the resulting redirect page at D-STAR to convert it to a dab
5. edit the discussion page at talk:D-STAR to un-redirect it
6. go to the D-STAR page and click "what links here" in the left sidebar. go to each page and convert each link of the form [[D-STAR]] to [[D-STAR (protocol)|D-STAR]]. depending on the page you start wint, =you will frequently find that some of the links should really be to your new page rather than to the old one, or to a third subject that does not have a page. for human names in particular, it's amazing how many alternative uses are mis-linked.

-Arch dude (talk) 12:16, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

For this particular page, you may have a slightly simpler solution. This page already has D-Star and Dstar as redirects. If you are think "D-STAR" itself is not likely to be confused with the algorithm, then you can simply edit the redirect page D-Star to convert it to a dab. To reach the redirect page itself, (here or as in step 4 above) click on a link and get redirected, then click on the link in the little sentence at the top that says (redirected from D-Star). -Arch dude (talk) 12:25, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Printing multiple pages

Hi

I want to print mutliple pages under a category in a single go instead of opening each page and printing it. How can I do it.

Regards, Shashi —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.227.179.4 (talk) 05:21, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Not sure you can. Due to limitations in the software, I'm pretty sure you'll have to go to each article and print them out individually. Sorry. You might try asking at the tech village pump, where they might have a little more knowledge about this, but I'm not aware of any tool to let you do this. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 05:24, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Actually, you can't. Sorry. Cheers,JetLover (Report a mistake) 05:24, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

I have not heard of a way to do it using only Wikipedia's commands, but I'm sure somebody knows a way to do this with other programs, for example possibly with Wget. Of course by the time a person figured out to do this, it might have been faster just to click on all the pages manually. But the real question is why would anybody want to print a lot of Wikipedia articles? They are much more useful as Web pages, with all the links and so on working. I could see printing one or two articles if a person needed them in the field, but if you need a lot of articles away from your desktop computer, it would be worthwhile to look into a portable solution such as TomeRaider. --Teratornis (talk) 08:44, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

How do I delete my Wikipedia account?

I accidentally put in a username that i didn't want, so I am wondering how I can delete my account and get another one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by XXawesomewafflesXx (talk • contribs) 05:38, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

You can change your username at Wikipedia:Changing username. --Silver Edge (talk) 05:42, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

It's easier just to create a new account with the username you want. Cheers,JetLover (Report a mistake) 05:44, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Doppleganger/Alternate accounts

I would like to create a doppleganger account/alternative account. Is that allowed, or only admins can create accounts? -Goodshoped 05:57, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

First off, dopplegangers are not the same as alternative accounts. Doppelgangers can be used to prevent impersonation of your real user name, however, alternate accounts are used for normal editing purposes in accordance with the sockpuppet policy. See WP:SOCK#LEGIT for some of the legitimate ways to use an alternate account. And no, you don't have to be an admin. Spebi 06:03, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

And is it OK if I create doppleganger accounts to deter vandals (like create an account called "It's Goodshoped, Bitch", or "Pope Mcdonald HermanXXXX"? -Goodshoped 02:52, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

It would be highly unlikely that you could conceive of any/all names a potential disruptive editor would choose, and I'd suggest that you not bother, as issues like that are dealt with quite swiftly. Ariel♥Gold 03:03, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

articles

Is it allowed for one to copy articles then rewrite and publish in a newspaper —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.222.13.134 (talk) 09:12, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Reusing Wikipedia content. PrimeHunter 16:00, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

emails / usernames

Hi,

My name is Matteo Prezioso and I have a Wikipedia account with username 'sowhatfilms' linked to an email I have recently deleted (<e-mail refactored>). I believe I also own another username, matteoprezioso although I am not sure what email was linked to. It's either another deleted email, <e-mail refactored> - or it is the one I use and therefore would like to have registered, <e-mail refactored>). I know it looks like a bit of a mess (it certainly is...) but if this one gets sorted I'll promise to keep it tidy!

Thanks for everything,

Matteo Prezioso

- once again

to keep active: username: <e-mail refactored> email: <e-mail refactored>

to cancel: username: sowhatfilms email: <e-mail refactored> —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sowhatfilms (talk • contribs) 10:00, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi, we can't delete accounts, and we cannot change e-mail addresses attached to accounts (as far as I know). Spebi 10:02, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

How do i create a infobox like those on the RIGHT TOP of many companies' wiki which shows company name, logo, and company info.

How do i create a infobox on the right top of a wiki, for example, google, it shows google, then its logo, the type, founded, headquarters, etc, how do i do that? i have been reading over all FAQ and help and still don't get it. somebody please help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.180.119.149 (talk) 10:04, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

It depends on the subject of the article you want to insert the infobox into. See Wikipedia:List of infoboxes for the right type of infobox for the article in question. Spebi 10:08, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

You can click "edit this page" (or "view source" if it's protected) to see what an existing article does. Google uses {{Infobox Company}}. PrimeHunter 15:56, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Be aware that usually an infobox goes in the lead section of an article, and the lead section has no section-edit link. Thus you have to click the "edit this page" link above the article to be able to view, insert, or edit the wikitext for its infobox template. --Teratornis 17:58, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

adding pictures to an article

how do you put up a picture in an article once i have finished uploading it? how will i be able to do this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jjguaren (talk • contribs) 10:37, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Extended image syntax gives the code for adding images to articles, and Wikipedia:Picture tutorial goes through plenty of examples. Raven4x4x (talk) 12:39, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Copying Wikipedia under the GFDL

I wish to copy articles from Wikipedia (which is permitted per WP:GFDL) but I am having a problem actually doing so. I tried transwiki'ing the articles, but the full history wasn't transferred, same for Special:Export.

The actual articles I'm trying to transfer with full page history to my wiki are:

• Dodge Spirit
• Nissan Sunny
• Nissan Primera
• Template:Hoax
• Rover 200 Series

I don't really want to do a copy-and-paste transwiki, as that would probably be a contravention of the GFDL.

Please could someone help me solve this problem?? Thanks, --Solumeiras ^talk 11:00, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

• What wiki are you trying to transfer it to? You might want to use the local Import. - 131.211.161.119 (talk) 12:41, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

• One on localhost, not ready for public use yet. Importing doesn't transfer every revision, sadly. --Solumeiras ^talk 13:23, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Use the URL http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Export/Template:Hoax?history=1 (and similar URLs for the other pages); entering this directly rather than going via Special:Export gives you all the history. --ais523 13:42, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Adding comments to my edits, responding to others, footnotes

Hello, how do I add comments to my edits on the history page, how can I respond to someone who edits my page with whom I have a disagreement and how do I put in footnotes using little numbers next to what I want to reference. Last night I tried to delete the page as I did not know how to do any of this rather than have my article up on Wikipedia with problems. Ldsnh2 (talk) 11:31, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Number 1: Type in the "edit summary" box.

Number 2: Type a friendly message on their talkpage. You can quickly access it by going into the history.

Number 3: Place a web address or book inside <ref></ref> tags NF24^{(radio me!)} 11:42, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Just to add some explanatory links for the above: for 1, see m:Help:Edit summary; for 2, see Wikipedia:Talk page and m:Help:Page history; and for 3, see Wikipedia:Footnotes and Wikipedia:Citing sources and don't forget, after adding a reference in <ref>text</ref> tags, to add a references section to the article with the tag {{Reflist}} in it.--Fuhghettaboutit 13:25, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

remove tag

How do I remove a tag after editing and correcting unreliable quotes? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wlopes (talk • contribs) 12:31, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi. In most cases, you'd just look for the template and remove it. In this particular case, you'd remove part of the template. In the edit window, it looks like {{Articleissues|cleanup=October 2007|unreferenced=October 2007}}. You cut out the part from the second | to the first } so that you have {{Articleissues|cleanup=October 2007}}. However, you really should not do that until the article offers some sources. The problem isn't simply that quotes have no sources, but that there is no source given for any of the information. See our verifiability policy and the guidelines on sources for why sources are necessary and how to implement them. As one further note, when you leave comments on talk pages, you can sign them by typing four tildes (~~~~) so that other editors know who is saying what and when. :) Hope that helps. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 13:04, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Recent Changes, where art thou?

I seem to remember Recent Changes in the sidebar, but it is no more. Where did it go? -76.105.146.105 14:15, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

I see it, try bypassing your cache. Jacek Kendysz 14:27, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Or use this link: Special:Recentchanges. PrimeHunter 15:50, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

national chemical laboratory

where is the chemical laboratory located?

Many countries have a National Chemical Laboratory, so it's hard to give you a single answer. Have you tried the Science section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is for questions about how to use Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps. Rupert Clayton 14:57, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Your IP address 59.92.82.88 is registered in India so I guess you are interested in the National Chemical Laboratory in Pune, India near Pashan. Their website [15] has more information. PrimeHunter 15:47, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

PrimeHunter's answer illustrates how the Help desk is like Wikipedia's version of OnStar. --Teratornis 18:19, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Ran by volunteers dedicated to make the best encyclopedia they can? Martijn Hoekstra 18:21, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Is there a template to produce a "slide show" style image gallery?

I tried to ask this yesterday, but the question was mangled by the wikimedia software change and seemed to get ignored, so I hope no-one minds me asking again:

I've read around the image help and picture tutorial but can't seem to find the answer to this. I'm aware of the <gallery> tag and the {{gallery}} template, but I'm looking for something that lets the reader flip through a series of pictures. For an example, see the French language wikipedia article fr:Pétra. That uses a template named ? {{Images}} (see sections Géologie and Principaux monuments, for example), but this doesn't seem to exist in the English wikipedia. For starters, I'd like to display some representative pictures in the article on David Roberts (painter), without overwhelming the text.

Is there a similar template here? Is there a way to use the French template? Is there a reason why we shouldn't use this type of template? (I can see that it might not translate well to a print version, but that would seem to be a decision for a later time.) To me it seems to be a much less intrusive presentation in certain circumstances than the full gallery presentation. Rupert Clayton 14:49, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

If such a template doesn't exist it could be easily created by copying (and translating) the French template. Time permitting, I'll give it a go at the weekend. Astronaut 16:18, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Notice that the French template uses functions toggleImage and ImageGroup at fr:MediaWiki:Common.js.

suggesting a topic

Hi I may be being really dumb but I have trawled the help and cannot find where to suggest a new topic for someone to create a page about. I came across lots of red links to other suggestions but couldn't for the life of me find how to submit my own! Please help. I am wanting a page about Igor Tjarkovsky, the russian who saved his premature babies' life by bringing her up in a tank of water, leading to the start of water births. Can you help? Or could you point me to the right page?

Thanks in advance Sarah—Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.96.252.58 (talk • contribs)

Hi Sarah. Wikipedia:Articles for creation allows unregistered and anonymous contributors to create new articles with the assistance of experienced Wikipedians. If you have an idea for a good article subject, but do not want to provide text for the article, you can make an article request instead at Wikipedia:Requested articles. Alternatively, if you want to discuss and plan an article, please go to the drawing board. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit 15:06, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Article Deletion

I recently created a short article on a prescription drug that I take called Animi-3. I put basic facts about the drug and referenced a number of different medical web sites that have written about Animi-3. I was hoping to be able to expand on the topic (as well as have other do the same) once I got the basic article up and had time to do some more research. When I first posted the article I went to search for it and couldn't find it, at the same time I was having computer issues so I thought it simply didn't save, so I put the information back in and submitted it to find out that the first one and about a minute later the second one was quickly deleted, it was said that it was advertising. I am unsure why it was deleted because of that, there was nothing in the article that was advertisement, I simply wanted to get information out regarding this drug. I tried to flag the article for a hold so that I could justify the importance of it on the talk page but was not given the opportunity to do so. What do I need to do to get the article posted? Thanks!BeachTeach007 15:50, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

You need to talk to the admin who deleted the article, to see what their concerns were. For me, I would also point out that Animi-3 sounds like a brand name; you might have better luck if the article were about the actual drug, using its proper name. Also, be aware that not all drugs are inherently notable; you must establish notability, as with any new article. --Orange Mike | Talk 15:56, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice, Animi-3 is the name of the actual drug, it is made by a company called PBM Pharmaceuticals. I was able to find a number of reliable, well respected 3rd party sources that talk about Animi-3 and its benefits. BeachTeach007 16:04, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Technically, it's not a drug. It's a prescription-only nutrition capsule containing certain vitamins and Pharmaceutical Grade Omega-3 Fish Oil. Good luck on the article. --Orange Mike | Talk 16:12, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

re: "...about a minute later the second one was quickly deleted." (sigh) this is exactly what I was talking about earlier Give the newbie a chance to complete his article. If it's still advertising a little while later, then delete it.

To the original poster: There are a lot of policies here at Wikipedia (look around this help desk page and you will see lots of links these policies). As a general rule, articles should cite reliable sources that establish the subject's notability. If you have a close relationship to the company, you need to be aware of possible conflicts of interest, the rules on company spam and that Wikipedia is not a place to advertise a product. Perhaps the best way to get to complete your article before it is deleted, is to develop your article as a subpage of your user page (click on this red link to start editing there). It can be moved to the main article namespace when completed.

Astronaut 16:49, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! The links are very helpful! I am not associated with the company in any way. I was searching around wikipedia and noticed that there wasn't an article on Animi-3 and decided to take a stab at writing one. I have noticed on other articles that company logos are used, do I need to get any type of permission from the maker of Animi-3 to use the logo on this site? I think it would add to the article to use their logo. Thanks! BeachTeach007 17:09, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

The full copyright law applies to that logo; read WP:IMAGES for some guidance on this. --Orange Mike | Talk 17:30, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

And WP:LOGO specificly applied for logos. Martijn Hoekstra 17:55, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

(undent) Let's not forget to mention the page: Wikipedia:Why was my article deleted?. Be aware that Wikipedia is just one of thousands of wikis, each with its own policies for content. Almost certainly, you can find another wiki which will accept your article, if you can't get it to "stick" on Wikipedia. For example, Wikicompany wants to list every legally incorporated company in the world. Perhaps WikiHealth will accept an article about Animi-3. --Teratornis 18:12, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Great advice Teratornis, I will be checking those places out as another option for posting this article and others in the future. BeachTeach007 19:04, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

And thank you for staying positive despite having your article zapped. If it's any comfort, everybody here has had plenty of their own work "mercilessly edited" by others. (Think of it as a game in which we try to guess what we should write that will survive everybody else's impulse to clobber it.) I should add that for just about everything Wikipedia is not, someone else has started a wiki to take Wikipedia's rejects. (Except for the most egregious spam and vandalism, but maybe someone has started a wiki for that stuff too.) If you can't find a wiki you like, then in the worst case you can start your own: b:Wiki Science/How to start a wiki. I have mused about this problem of Wikipedia deleting so many articles - I regard it as an ergonomic shortcoming of Wikipedia, that Wikipedia makes it much easier to start editing articles, than to learn that Wikipedia has all these fantastically complicated policies and guidelines that can bite back. However, I haven't thought of a solution that works better than what we have. It is not practical to try to intercept every new user who is thinking about creating a new article, and actively inform them about which obscure policy or guideline they are about to violate. That would require the intervention of expert human intelligence in real time, but wikis are a form of asynchronous communication, which means we do not actively intervene in each other's work during the actual editing. Instead, each user contributes a self-contained "chunk" of information, and other users come along later and modify it. If someone is going to make a mistake, we pretty much just have to let them make it, by the nature of a wiki. When a wiki has complex rules that are not apparent to beginners (and Wikipedia has staggeringly complex rules), mistakes are virtually inevitable for new users. Even experienced users make mistakes. --Teratornis 21:24, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Adding a footnote

I'm trying to add a footnote to an article and it doesn't seem to be working. My footnote would be the first one on this page. Does anyone know the specific steps I need to follow? (I've tried the < ref > markup, and it creates a footnote, but then if you click on the footnote, it doesn't link to the reference)

Thanks! Grumpy otter 15:54, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

You added the <ref> ... </ref> part just fine. You need to add a <references/> tag at the bottom so the references know where to show up. -- kainaw™ 16:00, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Great -- thanks! Now, how do I do that? I've looked all over the editing info and can't find the answer. Grumpy otter 16:19, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Click "edit this page" and add the text <references/> in a references section. See more at Wikipedia:Footnotes. PrimeHunter 16:36, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Yay! Thank you for the link to the footnotes info! Grumpy otter 20:57, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

New Question

Hi Every buddy,

 Can you send me the Informatica 8.0 materilas and BOXI amterials .please help me

my mail id is [email removed]

This is for questions about Wikipedia, not Informatica. -- kainaw™ 16:00, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

We do, however, have an article about Informatica containing contact information for the company. (And by the way, the Informatica article needs a bit of wikifying; specifically, it has some improperly-indented lines that should be bullet list items.) --Teratornis 18:15, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

can't edit abusive content

About 1/3 of the way down the following page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_holidays_in_Canada this text exists :"But dont forget that cayln jacks off to pictures of santa on the weekends." I don't know how to remove it. Thanks

Thanks for the note, it was fixed by 66.58.183.3 (talk · contribs). In general you can undo vandalism in any of several ways:

1. Click "edit this page" tab at the top of the screen and remove the vandalism
2. Click the history tab; by clicking on dates you can see old versions, and compare them using the radio buttons on the left. Find the last unvandalised version and restore it (see Help:Reverting).
3. Use the "undo" button in the history

For more information, see WP:VAND. Hope this helps, and thanks again! --TeaDrinker 18:41, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

It was removed 45 minutes ago.[16] Maybe you need to bypass your cache to see the current version. PrimeHunter 18:42, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Steve Pavlina article repeatedly vandalized and deleted.

The Steve Pavlina article was repeatedly vandalized and deleted this week after it had been approved and online for some time. The deletion is obvious vandalism if you look through the recent changes, a result of a spamming forum member who was banned (from the Pavlina LLC forum of 10,245 members here: http://www.stevepavlina.com/forums/)

Anyway, the article was blatantly vandalized by this banned member, then deleted even though it easily met notability requires.. what can we do to get it back online and protected?

Best, Dan Linehan —Preceding unsigned comment added by Puredemo (talk • contribs) — Puredemo (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

Wikipedia is not an advertising service. Promotional articles about yourself, your friends, your company or products, or articles created as part of a marketing or promotional campaign, will be deleted in accordance with our deletion policies. For more information, please see Wikipedia:Spam. So far, every article about Steve Pavlina inserted into Wikipedia has been deleted as blatant advertising. If Pavlina is genuinely notable, some impartial third party may write an article about him; but it hasn't happened yet. Deletion of advertisements and spam do not constitute vandalism. --Orange Mike | Talk 19:52, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Your information is out of date. The previous version of the article didn't support notability, but I created a new version in July citing numerous news sources that demonstrated Steve's notability and was as NPOV as humanly possible. There's a copy of the article on my talk page. The article was successful at DRV. This version of the article stood without incident until recently it was vandalised and the vandalised version deleted. --Irrevenant [ talk ] 08:14, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

@ Orange Mike - He runs the number one most visited personal development site on the web with a daily reach of millions of monthly pageviews. See http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details/stevepavlina.com

The forum alone has more than 10,000 members. Steve Pavlina is the most prolific personal development writer online, with thousands of published articles available on his site. His nearest competitor in the field would Tony Robbins, who only has approximately 10% as much web presence (compare via alexa), yet Tony Robbins has a huge wikipedia entry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_robbins

Steve Pavlina is also a 10k / hour keynote speaker, was the CEO of deterity software, the president of the Association of Shareware Professionals(ASP) in 2000, etc etc.

To say that a bio page for him is advertising is ridiculously obtuse. Someone generating tens of millions of monthly pageviews doesn't need an advertising page on Wikipedia. That kind of traffic puts his site in the league of powerhouse new media companies like boing boing and reddit, but with only one publisher, and if that isn't notable, what exactly is?

edit - Here is the cached page from google, with notable links to articles from USA Today, the Guardian, etc. http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:Ndo526_9PCgJ:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Pavlina+%22steve+pavlina%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=us

You may want to see our policies on notability for web content and biographies, as well as the criteria for speedy deletion. According to the deletion log, the page has been deleted 4 times over the past year and a half, not including one time when it was unprotected. The first time was a result of a deletion discussion here. All deletions thereafter were under speedy deletion criteria, first G4 for reposting the same article deleted by discussion, second under A7 for a lack of notability, and most recently under G11 for blatant advertising. Wikipedia has a very strong stance that all articles must be neutral - regardless of what the subject is, if the article is strongly biased for or against the subject, the article is at risk of deletion. Even articles such as Wikipedia and Jimmy Wales must meet these same standards. If you still don't feel as though your concerns have been addressed, you may want to contact the deleting administrator, who can can find by viewing the deletion logs here. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 20:31, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

While an AfD discussion over a year ago resulted in a deletion of the article, and subsequent re-creations may not have been in line with Wikipedia with regards to neutrality, non-advertisement, etc., it does appear that he may now satisfy WP:BIO, as he's been mentioned in a number of news articles, here are a few examples: (Not all may be considered WP:RS per WP guidelines, however,) The New York Times, USA Today, Guardian Unlimited 1, Guardian Unlimited 2, MSNBC, CNET news, Web Worker Daily, California's Job Journal, and Evolving Times. Ariel♥Gold 20:40, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

@Hersford - Oh, you mean this deleting admin? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:%5Edemon Let me get right on that.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.5.171.250 (talk) 20:42, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

With regards to the above, please realize the context of that admin's userpage banner, it is a quote of a comment made by someone else, on their talk page that was related to another editor's content dispute. Ariel♥Gold 20:45, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

@Ariel - The admin stripping thing is a joke then? I didn't realize. I'm not sure what a banner is, beyond some sort of online advertisement.72.5.171.250 20:55, 30 November 2007 (UTC)—Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.5.171.250 (talk) 20:53, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, ^demon has a wicked sense of humor, and often uses quotes in the banner on their userpage. :o) (Also, please sign your talk page comments, by typing four tildes after your comment, (~~~~) Thanks! Ariel♥Gold 20:53, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Where should we go from here to get the page back online? The google cached copy was already pretty neutral.72.5.171.250 20:55, 30 November 2007 (UTC) 72.5.171.250 20:57, 30 November 2007 (UTC) Puredemo 20:58, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

I would probably suggest that you take the case to deletion review, present your reasons, with valid reliable, third party sources, and request a neutral, non-involved editor create the article to avoid deletion again. Ariel♥Gold 20:58, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, I put it here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2007_November_30#Steve_Pavlina (I borrowed some of your copy, hope thats Ok.) Puredemo 21:16, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

creating a new page

How do I create a new page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Melatti (talk • contribs) 21:03, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

I realize Wikipedia might seem confusing at first, (please click on the blue words to read the policy/guide they refer to). Wikipedia is not like other sites you may have come across. First, it is an encyclopedia. What this means, is that it is not MySpace, or FaceBook, or a place to host personal webspace, or a place where editors can make articles about anything they wish. Wikipedia has Core policies, such as neutrality, notability, verifiability, etc. What does all of this mean? Well, it means that any article on Wikipedia must demonstrate notability (meaning it must be note worthy, covered by the media, etc.), and have reliable, third-party sources (such as news media articles, magazine/trade journal articles) written about the subject, and the information given in the article must cite those sources to verify it is true. From those sources, information is summarized, paraphrased, condensed, and worded neutrally to make an encyclopedic entry (information cannot be copied from other sites). See Wikipedia's manual of style, layout guide, your first article, article development, and how to edit for assistance. Hope that helps! Ariel♥Gold 21:03, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

When you make a new article, how do you make that info box on the right side where you can put information?

When you make a new article, how do you make that info box on the right side where you can put information? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Guy from canada (talk • contribs) 21:04, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Please see Help:Infobox for information, Cheers! Ariel♥Gold 21:04, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

If you refer to this article: The Day of Black Sun Part 1: The Invasion, that seems to be about a television program. If so, then see: Wikipedia:WikiProject Television for guidelines on how to write such articles. Also study some television program articles that have earned the highest quality rating on Wikipedia; for the best ones, see:

• Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Television articles by quality/1

For general guidelines, see WP:LEAD, WP:LAYOUT, WP:RS, WP:CITE, WP:FOOT, and WP:BETTER. --Teratornis 21:37, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Block an IP?

Where should I report an Ip address that has been vandalizing pages? They have received constant warnings and needs to be blocked ASAP.  — Noah¢s (Talk) 21:18, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

If the editor has received the proper warnings in succession for today's disruptive edits (not only old warnings from weeks/months ago), review the instructions at WP:AIV to report them. Cheers, Ariel♥Gold 21:20, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Internet research

This is a pretty general question and not regular help-desk fare, I know, but I'd be grateful for any pointers you can give me. I'm happy to try one of the reference desks if you think they would be a better bet.

I'm not a student nor an academic, and generally I do my research in old-fashioned books, of the paper kind. However, occasionally I want or need to look up academic papers on the internet, and I wonder what the options are for an individual with a computer at home but without a £multi-thousand budget to subscribe to a service designed for university libraries?

To make my question a bit more specific, and to give an example: in relation to something I was researching for one of the wikiprojects, I was referred to: John Jowett, "Johannes Factotum: Henry Chettle and Greene's Groatsworth of Wit", Papers of the Bibliographical Society of America, vol. 87, no. 4, (1993), pp. 453-86. AndyJones 21:33, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Google Scholar is one place to check. --Teratornis 21:38, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

You could google for a copy. I'm not sure about this area of study, but in mathematics at least it is fairly common to find copies of papers on the author's web sites. Also, you could try emailing the author for a copy. They are often happy to help. Finally, you can try asking someone who does have access to a university library if they can get you a copy. There are plenty of us around here. --Sopoforic 21:40, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Also, you might get some love on Wikipedia:WikiProject Fact and Reference Check. --Teratornis 21:42, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

You can go to your local University and pay for a yearly library card that allows you access to the physical library, and that will give you access to a proxy service for the University's server. This should give you access to all the articles and online journals and databases that your University subscribes to - JSTOR articles, Medline, and all the Wilson Web, Bibliography databases, NexusLexus, OED etc. I think at the University of California schools, which are public/state schools, it costs non-students $100-200 a year. Maybe private Universities don't offer this? I think they give discounts if you are retirement age too. What you get will depend on what the University itself subscribes too. Saudade7 23:47, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

P.S. I downloaded the article for you. It is a JSTOR article in a PDF format. If you give me your email I will email it to you. You can leave it on my talk page or here. If I knew how to post it somewhere I would do that, but I don't. Saudade7 00:06, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Oh! I see that you are in England. I have done research in London and it is much different than in the US. I had to write letters for everything! Still, I imagine that there should be a way for you to get this access through a university, no? I am currently living in Paris which is library heaven. They have everything and you pay a fee for a year's usage. Anyway, after I get your email I will send you the article and then you will have my email and then if you need any other occassional articles from JSTOR etal. just write to me and it is very easy for me to do, no problem. I'm not a Capitalist! Saudade7 00:19, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Thenk you, everyone, for your help with this. I've replied separately at Saudade7's talk page. I have this article now. AndyJones 00:25, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

What files link to an image

When I go to an article and click on an image, if I click on "what links here" it says that no articles link to the image. I thought this used to work. Is there some bug? Bubba73 (talk), 22:07, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

For some reason, I don't think whatlinkshere works for images. However, this is worked around by providing a list of files linking to that image on the bottom of the image's page. NF24^{(radio me!)} 22:16, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Simply click the link at the top of the image, that says "File links" to see what pages use what image. Cheers, Ariel♥Gold 22:34, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

OK, thanks! Bubba73 (talk), 23:51, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

External Links

I am looking for the external links that will provide me to book reviews written by authors, specifically William Corebett.

Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. Ariel♥Gold 22:33, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

im confused

i dont know how to make a page on wikipedia. how do you do it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Garrettsmage (talk • contribs)

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. PrimeHunter 22:42, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

• Why is this question asked so often when it is covered in the

FAQ? - Mgm|^(talk) 22:48, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

They don't call it the Help desk for nothing. That includes help about using the FAQ. Dr.K. 23:00, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

True, but I've never seen someone asking for help about how to use the FAQ. - Mgm|^(talk) 23:02, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Of course not. They don't know it exists. That's why they have to ask the Help desk ;). Dr.K. 23:06, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

It's even in the veryFAQ. And why does the help desk get so many posts that are not about Wikipedia when the top says in big red letters:

This page is for questions about USING Wikipedia only.

Maybe people are afraid we will lose our work and want to help us out. PrimeHunter 23:08, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

I can't possibly top the great reply just above. But just look at the heading of this section. When people are confused they need active help. A small section called FAQ doesn't necessarily catch your eye when you are confused. Dr.K. 23:20, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

This might be a stretch, but do you think that maybe people don't know what FAQ stands for? Maybe it should say in big pretty letters at the top of the page, "Before posting, see if the question you want to ask is answered HERE!" Also, the FAQ link is (visual-rhetorically) really difficult to see above the BIG RED BANNER. I bet people don't even notice it up there.

This is true. It gets literally overshadowed by the red banner. Dr.K. 00:23, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Of course, (despite the BIG RED BANNER) people really do post lots of questions here that have nothing to do with using the Wiki - but those questions *do* get answered! It cracked me up yesterday how many people offered answers to the question, "Will ever scientists find The Element Which Has No Mass But Has Resistence. What scientist will be able to answer this question?" - That question got 7-8 responses! It was a literal geek-fest! Saudade7 23:35, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

No comment. Dr.K. 00:23, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

We used to get significantly more ref desk type questions before we instituted the red banner. Since we're on the subject, you all may have noticed that the banner was actually changed back to black and USING was decapitalized and ununderlined (if that's a word) a few days ago, which I reverted. Since we have a cavalcade of help desk regulars here (where else), here's the diff of the rationale for the change and my reversion [17]. Anyone have a second opinion on this?--Fuhghettaboutit 00:05, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Both points have merit. One is on the loud side and maybe slightly offensive to some, the other more elegant and subdued but won't possibly catch as many eyes. I cannot decide either way. Dr.K. 00:23, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

The banner design is discussed at Wikipedia talk:Help desk#Style of this page. PrimeHunter 01:16, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

(undent) In general, meta-discussion about how to organize the Help desk belongs on Wikipedia talk:Help desk rather than the Help desk itself. This discussion may be confusing to new users who come to the Help desk for help, although we are discussing ways to un-confuse them. --Teratornis 22:09, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Interwiki template usage

I've been trying to use a wikipedia template (Infobox Company) in another MediaWiki wiki. I've set $wgEnableScaryTranscluding = true; and set the iwtrans bit in the interwiki record for wikipedia.

The effect I get is that the MediaWiki page transcludes the template documentation, not the template itself.

How can I use a wikipedia template in another wiki?

The source I am using in my wiki looks like this:

{{wikipedia:Infobox_Company
  | name             = The Corporation Company
  | logo             = [[Image:Example.png|160px]]
  | type             = [[Public company|Public]] ({{nyse|TCC1}}, {{tyo|TCC1}})
  | genre            = Corporate histories
  | foundation       = [[New York City]], [[United States|U.S.]] (1900)
  | founder          = Wikiped Wikiad
  | location_city    = [[Seattle, Washington]]
  | location_country = [[United States|U.S.]]
  | location         = 
 }}

Thanks for any help! (and I have struggled for several hours RTFM already...) Andronico 23:43, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

You have to wrap the documentation in <noinclude></noinclude> tags. That should get it to work. NF24^{(radio me!)} 23:52, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

(I'm not sure exactly how to respond on this page...)

The documentation is at [[18]] Does this Wikipedia page need the <noinclude></noinclude> tags?

Andronico 00:45, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

The way to respond on this page is by following the talk page guidelines, although strictly speaking the Help desk itself is not a talk page. It just acts like one. Basically, indent your replies with one more level of leading colons than the previous reply uses. If a discussion gets long and the indentation gets more than five levels deep, write (undent) in the left column and start over with no indenting. And sign your posts in the usual way for talk pages. To address your question, I and a co-worker have copied and adapted a number of templates from Wikipedia to several corporate wikis running on the MediaWiki software. I have not tried to use $wgEnableScaryTranscluding = true;, as we needed to customize everything we copied from Wikipedia anyway. Porting templates is straightforward but tedious. Many templates, especially infoboxes, use CSS style classes, so you need to copy some or all of MediaWiki:Common.css from Wikipedia to your wiki. MediaWiki:Common.css is a protected page, but you can view the wikitext and copy it, no problem. Once you have all the style classes your templates need, then you just copy templates from Wikipedia to template pages of the same name on your wiki. This is where the fun begins, because many templates on Wikipedia themselves transclude other templates, so it can take some time to recursively dig down to the bottom to get all the templates you need. To tell what templates a given template uses, click its edit link, then look at the bottom of the editing page below the edit window for a list of templates the given template transcludes. Fortunately, it's not Turtles all the way down - the template pile is finite, so eventually you will have all the necessary templates copied over to your wiki. Whether you want to copy the documentation for each template is up to you. I prefer to merely link to the documentation on Wikipedia, and if necessary, I write comparatively short documentation about whatever I changed in the template. That's a quick summary of the method. In theory, questions such as yours (about using MediaWiki on your own wiki) are supposed to go in mw:Project:Support desk, but responses tend to be slower there than here. --Teratornis 22:28, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

December 1

75 monte carlo 15x8 and 15x9 rally rims

75.117.50.11 00:47, 1 December 2007 (UTC)I need to know the maximum width of tire that can be put on the car. not on the rims....I can figure that out....i need to know what the maximum width of tire that will fit in the wheel well with these rims...such as p245 or p265 or p275/60r/15.75.117.50.11 00:47, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. Ariel♥Gold 00:52, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Can't Print - Staffe entry

I cannot print the entry "Staffa" - over several days I just get Programme not responding, on two separate browsers, and prints other pages okay ... Seems just this entry which is the difficulty ! Thank you. H&C 139.78.17.159 01:49, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Sounds like a computer problem. The nice folks at the Computing reference desk will help you in solving it. NF24^{(radio me!)} 01:55, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Are you trying with the printable version [19]? PrimeHunter 02:01, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

IP redirect

Another user (who is alos blocked) has redirected my IP adress to their user page. What should I do? Gingojo 02:37, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

If it's your permanent IP address then I suggest to log out and revert the redirect in an edit from that IP address. PrimeHunter 02:48, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks 71.112.2.145 04:47, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Hiding all fundraising ads

I inserted "table.fundraiser-box {display:none}" once in my monobook.css and it seemed to hide something from the fundraiser box but the comments and other stuff remained... is it possible to hide all of it? -- Mentifisto 07:16, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Question on tag for image.

I am about to upload an image of a billboard for Pinoy Big Brother: Celebrity Edition 2. I took it using my cellphone camera. But I don't know which tag I will use: "free image" or "fair use"? BTW, I haven't uploaded the image yet. (And I posted this question on WP:AN, but after some thought, so I decided to do it here also for some much needed help.) - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 09:34, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Hello Nanami-chan, a picture you took yourself is your own work so you can release it under a free license. So just click on Upload File in the toolbox on the left, select my own work, fill in the fields and for licensing select one of the free licenses that you wish. You may also consider uploading free images to Wikimedia Commons so that it can be used by any other projects as well. More information on image uploads see WP:UPI. I hope this helps. --Kudret abi^Talk 17:54, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Weekends can have slow response. I don't work with image licenses but there are special rules when you just take a photo of somebody elses creative work (which I guess is the case here). It may have to be fair use like {{Non-free poster}}. PrimeHunter 23:28, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Here's the image I'm talking about. I tagged it under a free license. Do I do it right? That's because I'm torn. This is after all a picture of a billboard. If you deem it as fair use, you can replace it with a "promotional" tag. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 01:37, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

To be honest, when I wrote my response, this is not what I had in mind, I thought there would be more context other than the poster. In the case of this image, PrimeHunter could be right, this may not qualify as a free image. --Kudret abi^Talk 01:43, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

I asked a couple of admins that work with images to weigh in on this. Hopefully they will be able to provide better assistance. --Kudret abi^Talk 02:06, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

I came across this issue before and I'm not 100% sure those can be under a free license. Some billboard images like Image:Curtisposter.jpg is under a free license but it has the "freedom of panorama" template. But other billboard pictures like Image:Smithwick's billboard NYC May 2005 Wikipedia.jpg don't have that template. I think it should be alright though. There's a whole Billboard category on Commons. Spellcast 02:16, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

My understanding is similar to Spellcast's. There's a tension between freedom of panorama and derivative works that's difficult to reconcile. My best guess is that you can use the picture, though it's not quite free, as people may not make further derivative works from it.--Kubigula (talk) 04:37, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

New here and have a specific project

Hi,

I'm new here and I have a specific project. I am interested in Thai Boxing and recently watched a new independant release which I thought was brilliant. I wrote to the producer and asked him would it be ok to write about his film on wiki as I like the idea and I see it as a pet project. His only concern was that the article be neutral / informative but not negative - which is understandable. He gave me the go ahead anyway.

Is it possible to work with other more experienced people as I would like help to do this. If so, how do I go about this? If not I dont mind, I can figure it out.

Cheers

Gerard— Preceding unsigned comment added by Gerardinthailand (talk • contribs) 14:53, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation.NF24^{(radio me!)} 15:01, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

• Is there any conceivable negative information that could find its way into the article? If there is such info and it is verifiable, then it is possible for others to add it even if the producer doesn't like it. - Mgm|^(talk) 16:12, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

We have many WikiProjects where users who share interests can work on articles together. You may be interested in one or more of the following:

• Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Directory/Culture/Sports#Martial Arts
  • Wikipedia:WikiProject Martial arts
  • Wikipedia:WikiProject Kickboxing
• Wikipedia:WikiProject Films
• Wikipedia:WikiProject Southeast Asia
  • Wikipedia:WikiProject Thai districts

There is also a Thai Wikipedia. --Teratornis 22:39, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

How to create your own article

How do you create your own article on something and then when somebody searches it using wikipedia search it will come up? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.43.35.40 (talk)

Wikipedia search automatically indexes new articles but it may take a few days.

You will need to first register an account, which has many benefits, including the ability to create articles. Once you have registered, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. PrimeHunter 15:22, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Adding Wikipedia Search to my Webpage?

Many search engines are available to have an embedded search box on other's webpages ... can I do this with Wikipedia as well?

I don't know whether there is a recommended method. I just found [20] in a Google search [21] but I haven't tried adding it to my own website. PrimeHunter 17:28, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Given the widespread criticism of Wikipedia's built-in search feature, you might prefer to place a form on your Web page to search Wikipedia with Google. The URL looks like this:

• http://www.google.com/custom?domains=en.wikipedia.org&sitesearch=en.wikipedia.org&q=your+search+terms+go+here

You just need to make a <form> tag in HTML that generates a search URL like the above. You can make the obvious change in the action attribute in Dave Taylor's example that PrimeHunter cited above. --Teratornis 22:46, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

this sucks

wht does this page not show the write info i presented in front of my school and it was false THANKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!… —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.200.148.217 (talk) 18:32, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

This page is for questions about using Wikipedia. If you have a problem with Wikipedia then please be more specific. The above post is the only registered edit for your IP address. PrimeHunter 18:40, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

If it was an edit you made, then remember that anyone can edit Wikipedia, and note that this means anyone can edit over what you did. If it is because Wikipedia showed incorrect information, remember that anyone can edit Wikipedia, which means that you should hardly call Wikipedia citable. Put shortly: Wikipedia is unreliable and makes for a poor source in research - or any presentation. x42bn6 Talk Mess 18:52, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

• When you are looking for information to use in a presentation, you should always take care to check the information against multiple sources. Even newspapers, books and other encyclopedias occasionally get it wrong and you can easily discover potentially problematic pieces of information if you check where it came from and how many - and which - people confirm it. In short: be critical, don't trust everything you read. - Mgm|^(talk) 19:01, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Also don't forget that some editors change certain articles with false information, for example an actor appeared on one of the TV shows and placed a complaint about wikipedia for having him presumed non-existence and appeared upset on the show. In another words double check sources to see that the info on wikipedia is accurate before using the information, if it's not accurate one of the users may correct the info, if mentioned on the talk page. SKYNET X1000 19:08, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Scrubs Wikiproject

I am wanting to set up a taskforce for Scrubs which will branch of from WP:TV. I have been told that i need to hold a discussion so a consensus is reached about whether to creat it or not, but i am unsure where to hold the discussion. Eddie6705 19:37, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Hello, I believe the WP:TASKFORCE page should contain the information you need on setting up a task force. --Kudret abi^Talk 20:27, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Loss of session data

What is the cause of the annoying message "Sorry! We could not process your edit due to a loss of session data. Please try again. If it still doesn't work, try logging out and logging back in.", and is there anything I can do about it? Logging out and logging back in has never seemed to make a difference. Sometimes I have to struggle for five minutes or more to undo a simple vandal edit, as I keep getting back this message.  --Lambiam 19:57, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, actually I get this message too from time to time. I believe it has to do with the Wikipedia servers being loaded beyond capability and therefore not being able to process all the requests. I don't think there is much to do about it at user level. --Kudret abi^Talk 20:33, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

I usually only get that message if I take a very long time to compose a reply - probably not the same as what you are getting. Regards, Ben Aveling 00:13, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

User talk:Betacommand wierdness!!!

A bot by User:Betacommand erroneously tag a picture of mine as an orphan. When I posted on his talkpage my post almost instantly disappeared.I redid the post a couple of times thinking I had made a mistake but the posts keep disappearing. I then received a post from User:Betacommand warning me about an edit war. However I am not sure if its a human user or a bot thats deleting my posts and replying. Can any one help.

Atleast one other user has the same problem see here — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trounce (talk • contribs)

--Trounce 21:28, 1 December 2007 (UTC) (oops , sorry, forgot to sign!)

If you had read his talk page, and the posts above yours, he was aware of the problem and was acting to fix it. On talk pages, if it is removed, and you can check the talkpage history, then the recipient has obviously seen it. Frankly, Beta was getting understandably frustrated at the number of comments. Woodym555 21:38, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

I dont quite see the piece on his talk page you are referring to, and my posts have all been deleted so I am not sure what you mean when you say the post above mine. If he took it on himself to create a bot and it runs wild the least he could do is discuss the problem with people who raise it with him. How does deleting my post on his talk page help the situation? And I am not sure if the recipient is even a person or a bot or what? Normally posts are left in situ and replied to in situ- not instantly deleted. And why does he then send me a warnig about edit wars as though I am at fault?--Trounce 21:50, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

The bot malfunctioned, he stopped it, problem solved. Why should he reply to every individual who posted on his page? Every bot is operated by a person, it should be stated on the bot page who this is. User talkpages can be edited however the user desires, if a user removes a post, it means he has read it. I am sorry that you received a warning, it was a problem and you should not have received the warning. However you cannot keep readding posts to a page, it is edit warring. The whole incident has been a bit of a misunderstanding I think. Woodym555 21:59, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

n.b. See Betacommand page history and User talk:BetacommandBot for the reasoning. Thanks. Woodym555 22:03, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes it definitely is a misunderstanding, which could easily have bee cleared up if User:Betacommand simply (a) left my post oin his page or better still (b)simply replied by saying there are technical problems with the bot and please bear with me. The bot user page states “If you have a comment or suggestion please feel free to leave it on User talk:Betacommand.” so I did. Three times, almost instantly they were deleted. I thought I had messed up posting them somehow. And then I go to my talk page and see the cheeky git found the time to threaten me about an edit war.I think that User:Betacommand is being a bit of a smart ass --Trounce 22:06, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

It seems to me rather than communicate clearly through his Talk page he is communicating in a backward and contrived way through the Edit Summaries on his Talk page's History??!! What an arrogant dope.--Trounce 22:13, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Calm down, and stay WP:CIVIL please. It is very common to put comment in history pages. I think Betacommand is a feeling a bit harassed at the moment, and comments like yours to nothing to ease that feeling. I strongly suggest that you refactor your comments. Any more posts can be made on my talkpage and not here. This is not the place for this. Woodym555 22:18, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Hold on a second.You give the game away a bit by saying "I think Betacommand is a feeling a bit harassed at the moment,". Lets get one thing straight. When I posted on his talk page I was calm and civil. I posted nothing that could remotely be taken in an offensive way. Yet his arrorgance and immature reaction over his damn bot has riled me. Look I think you should have a word in User:Betacommand ear and remind him to be WP:CIVIL. If he feels he is man enough to police Wikipedia with his bot the least he should do is be man enough to take the flak when it goes wrong, instead of hidng like a coward.--Trounce 22:26, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Granted that responding in an edit summary is a bit unusual, and I don't blame you for missing it... but I don't see how it's hiding, cowardly, arrogant, or any of those things. BC deals with a lot of messages. He's working on the problem. Feel free to criticize, but please be sure to keep calm and make your criticism constructive. "You're a big dope" is less effective than "Man, that was confusing and I'm a little upset, could you do something different in the future?" – Luna Santin (talk) 22:32, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Ok, Deleting my comments from his talk page is arrogant because he simply dismissed my question out of hand.Cowardly because he is hiding by instantly deleting my comments and not giving me a chance to communicate with him. Why is he above talking about his bot's error to me? The reason I may be a bit riled is because he then goes and threatens me for edit warring. --Trounce 22:37, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

And this also irks me, only for you guys had the decency to respond to me, I would still be in the dark. How am I suppose to know that "BC deals with a lot of messages. He's working on the problem." if he doesn't tell me.--Trounce 22:43, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

I am in no way arrogant, or cowardly. I pointed you at the bots talkpage where it clearly states that I know there was a problem, and that the images in question were already fixed. It also states that you should not add any further complaints about that issue. The orphan issue was brought up, and fixed, and closed. I dont want to or need to repeat myself 100 times for every user who posts on my talkpage. I politely pointed you to the bot's page three times. β^_command 22:48, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Well its mighty kind of you to spare some of your time on me! Where did you point me at the bots talk page? I would like to remind you that it states clearly on the Bot's user page “If you have a comment or suggestion please feel free to leave it on User talk:Betacommand.” Why did you instantly delete my posts with out replying? You say "I dont want to or need to repeat myself 100 times for every user who posts on my talkpage." however you are doing just that by writing your replies in the Edit comments on the History of the Talk page! Whats the point of that. I certainly didn't think "hey this guy has deleted my posts, he is trying to communicate with me through the Edit comments on the History of the Talk page!" You also found the time to threaten me for edit waring. For a guy who claims he doesn't want to reply a 100 time for every post you seem to be doing twice the work with none of the results.--Trounce 23:02, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Move an article

Hello, help desk... how does you move a page? I had a look at [22], but I am missing a "Move" tab. Can anyone help me? Thanks. -Redrocketboy

Yes, you have not reached the autoconfirm date yet. This is a date a four days after you create your account when you gain the ability to create pages, move pages and edit semi protected pages. This is to prevent vandals creating many accounts to edit semi protect pages and move pages to other names. YTou should be autoconfirmed soon--Phoenix-wiki ^{(talk · contribs)} 21:33, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

On re-reading it says after four days I'll be able too. Thanks again. -Redrocketboy

As an additional note, you can type four tildes ~~~~ to sign your posts. (see also WP:SIGNATURE). --Kudret abi^Talk 22:57, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

posting pages

How do I post something on Wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Time lord2007 (talk • contribs) 21:44, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. NF24^{(radio me!)} 21:45, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

TOC and template

I am trying to put the template of WildlifeofIndia to the right of TOC in the List of birds of India, but somehow unable to do so, perhaps it is because of special format of TOC there. As a result of this large void is being created between the first heading and the following text. How do I fix it? DSachan 23:00, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

List of birds of India uses __NOTOC__ to hide the normal TOC, and instead displays a manually-edited TOC in a table. You want {{WildlifeofIndia}} to float to the right of the table. That's the basic issue. I will have to look up how to make that happen, since I don't know what to do off the top of my head. There are lots of "List of..." articles about wildlife; you might find another one which solves the same problem. --Teratornis 23:14, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

I don't know enough about CSS to make this work (quickly). For example, I tried changing the top line of the TOC table to this:

{| class="toccolours" style="width:55em" align="left"

That floats the TOC table to the left, and allows the infobox to float to the right, which is good, but then the following sections on the page fill in the vertical gap between them in a most ugly way. I'm sure one of our CSS experts can tell us what to do. See also:

• Help:Table#Floating table
• Help:Table#Centering tables

--Teratornis 23:27, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

I made a change to the article to try to achieve what you describe. Is this is what you had in mind? --Kudret abi^Talk 23:48, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Wren High School

There is an inappropriate comment on the page for Wren High School. It's vulgar and has no factual information in it.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.12.109.74 (talk)

Unfortunately, vandalism does happen, the issue has been resolved by removing the vandalism. Feel free to do that yourself if you see that in the future, by going into the history, and finding the last good version to restore. Cheers! Ariel♥Gold 23:27, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

December 2

Another Template Question

The view/discuss/edit buttons are not working properly on this template, and I can't figure out why. Can someone fix or point me in the correct direction? Thanks. KnightLago 00:44, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Fixed it now. The "name= " parameter needs to be an exact copy of the template name. An easy way of doing this is adding {{subst:PAGENAME}} in the name parameter. You can change the "title" parameter to include fonts if you would like. More information can be found at Template:Navbox. Woodym555 00:55, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I love the help desk! KnightLago 00:58, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Happy to help. Woodym555 01:03, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

flex spending

I put money aside in Flex spending health account, will I lose that money if I am terminated Linjperk personal info removed to protect your identity —Preceding unsigned comment added by LinJperk (talk • contribs) 00:40, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

I have no idea. Ask the people who sold you the Flex spending health account. This page is for help using Wikipedia only. Astronaut 00:49, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

I suggest you talk to your company's human resources department, they will most likely be able to explain everything about the account. KnightLago 00:55, 2 December 2007 (U

That's probably the best thing to do. Unfortunately at the help desk we cannot provide medical, legal, or any other sort of advice that is normally regulated by governmental authorities. --Kudret abi^Talk 01:12, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

About Neutrality.

Hello. I'm Argentine, my little daughter was raped by a sick-man. If I'm creating his article. Is it necesary the neutrality? Thanks everyone. Frankedjsjs 01:17, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

All articles are required to conform to the Neutral point of view policy. You also will have a conflict of interest, and the subject may not pass the notability guidelines for people, so I would not suggest creating the article. NF24^{(radio me!)} 01:32, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

When do I get welcomed?

I saw on a user's talk page that he often "welcomes" new members if he finds them, and I was wondering ir and when I'd get welcomed. Also, how do I become more noticed on Wikipedia?--Leamarie411x2 02:34, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

I see you got a welcome [23] the minute before saving your post here. Welcome! The welcome messages are not automated which would be less personal. Note that Wikipedia is not a social networking site. If you want other editors to notice you then you could contribute to pages with many other contributors, but don't expect them to contact you unless they want to discuss your edits. If you don't care what kind of notice you get then there are ways to attract negative notice with very little effort, but I don't recommend it. PrimeHunter 02:59, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

The ways to attract negative notice really only get you noticed by maybe one or two people before an admin blocks you for them, anyway. The best way to get noticed is to contribute to articles. If you improve an article enough, you can be sure the article's other major editors will appreciate it. Just find an article on something you're interesting in, and see how you can make it better. Be bold in improve articles! Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 03:07, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

All true, all true. One can also get "noticed" by thanking other editors for their work. Sincerely, GeorgeLouis 06:30, 2 December 2007 (UTC) P.S. Welcome, Leamarie!

im looking for a woman

Greetings (hello)

i would like to know more about find a friend who took money from me please. my name is X - im from X. her name is X. i would like to meet her in person or come to a point for asking for my money back please. my email address is X. she walked away with $3000.00 (us) on me back in October /2007. she told me she was a nurse

thank u X

more can be learned from my website: X = i look forward to hearing from u or call X and i think i am 12 - 13 hrs behind u. thank u again —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.145.178.195 (talk) 03:09, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

• This is the place for asking questions about using Wikipedia -- not really an appropriate place for questions of this sort. By the way, posting as much personal information as you just have on a public forum is a really, really bad idea, so I have removed it all. android79 03:17, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Your question needs the attention of a Private investigator, not of an encyclopaedia. Dr.K. 06:44, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

If an administrator keeps deleting an article I am trying to write...

If an administrator keeps deleting an article I am trying to write and the deletion is due to "notability" questions, and I add links to newspaper articles and famous blog articles on the subject of my article to prove notability, and the administrator keeps deleting the article anyway, is there some recourse? Can I get a vote or advice from other administrators on how to prove notability? I am trying to add useful content to Wikipedia but do not have hours to battle with a single administrator--surely there are checks and balances to prevent administrators from repeatedly recommending speedy deletion of an article when other administrators might think the article shouldn't be deleted?== —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.201.40.170 (talk) 03:22, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

• Wikipedia:Deletion review is what you want. android79 03:25, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi. The first step is to try discussing the deletion with the administrator at his or her talk page. He or she might be able to explain what the article is lacking or point you to guidelines. You might also try asking for feedback at the drawing board. If you feel that the administrator is improperly evaluating policy, you might choose to bring the matter up at deletion review. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 03:28, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

You can also write the article on a subpage (or off line) and when you are ready to "go live," then post (or move) it to the mainspace. Once the article is fleshed out and you have added all your sources, it is less likely to be deleted. This is a quiet way that avoids drama. If that articles gets deleted once posted, then going to deletion review is always an option. Please note that blogs are very rarely useful as sources, because they are not reliable, i.e. they are not third-party published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy.--Fuhghettaboutit 03:56, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

removing incorrect content

Hi, In an entry on Chabad messianism, some claims are attributed to me that I never made and that are, as far as I know, untrue. I corrected the entries, but they have returned to their previous, incorrect state. I am a political scientist with a reputation to protect, and while people don't believe everything they read in Wikipedia, I find it really annoying that I can't keep people from making claims in my name. I just went in and removed the reference to me, but I suspect it will return. To be honest, I don't care what people say about Chabad messianism, a topic I wrote one article about a couple of years ago. I just want my name separated from things i didn't write. How can I make sure that happens? thanks, Matt —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.172.21.155 (talk) 04:11, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

I've removed your personal information for your own privacy. Also, be aware that nobody owns articles, so edits you make may be changed by other editors. There is also the conflict of interest issue to be aware of, and if you edit an article or passage about yourself, it can be difficult to edit neutrally, which is why guideline advises against editing about yourself. Additionally, if the information was sourced and cited, even if it is incorrect, you would need to find a source that shows the information is incorrect. The information you have removed is well sourced by seven references, so it is not really a good idea for you to simply blank the entire section. I would suggest that you discuss the issue on the article's talk page, keeping in mind that you may have a non-neutral view of the issue, but those facts are attributed to the sources that are cited, so the entry may be valid, if those seven sources are all corroborating the passages. Please discuss the issue with other editors, before just blanking sections of articles. Thanks! Ariel♥Gold 04:19, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Ariel, but what you say about conflict of interest is garbage. My only interest is in not being misquoted. My article was referenced and then the claim was made that I wrote something I didn't write. With all due respect, I think you ought to think about the meaning of conflict of interest.... Matt —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.172.21.155 (talk) 04:35, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Matt. I can understand your problem, but are you saying that the sources used actually misquoted you? Did you complain to the people who wrote the source material? If so, your complaint should be written down somewhere and perhaps you could put that in front of the other editors, as suggested. I will be interested in learning how this plays out. Sincerely, GeorgeLouis 06:19, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

A few more things. First, when you make an edit, there is an "Edit summary" box below the edit box. In particular when removing material, it is prudent to provide a rationale for the removal in the edit summary; otherwise the edit may appear indistinguishable from a typical vandal edit randomly deleting content. Next, and in particular when the edit gets reverted, each article page has an associated talk page, which can be accessed by clicking the "discussion" tab at the top of the article page. This is the place where to argue with editors and present the case that the material you wish to see and remain removed is inappropriate. Finally, if there is cited material, but the material is not actually supported by the source that is cited, you can add the tag "{{Failed verification}}", which shows up as a note ^{not in citation given}.  --Lambiam 08:13, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Also, reviewing the edits in question, it appears to me that the main thing you should have done is fix the comma splice by replacing ", only" by "; only" or ". Only". As it was, your edit removed a whole load of other properly cited material not attributed to you – although it may have appeared to have been so at first glance because of the comma splice.  --Lambiam 08:32, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

making a page

how do i make a page that will stay. all the pages i have tried to make say that you for experimenting. i want to make a permantent page. thank you. joan —Preceding unsigned comment added by Erica.mclellan (talk • contribs) 04:30, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Hello Erica, welcome to Wikipedia, on your talk page User talk:Erica.mclellan I placed some links that will explain you the basics of Wikipedia, and provide guidance as to how to write articles. I hope this helps. --Kudret abi^Talk 04:59, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Your first article. - Rjd0060 05:00, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

article deletion

Hello,

Someone has deleted my article on the band S.T.R.E.E.T.S..

This band has been featured in a very popular video game, and in a number of news publications. This band *is* notable. How can I have the article un-deleted? They didn't even listen to my argument before it's deletion. Can you please tell me how I can have my article undeleted? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Savethealfhousearticle (talk • contribs) 04:33, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

You can tell from this that the article was deleted twice, because it does not satisfy our music notability guidelines. Please read that guideline. After you are familiar with it, and if you feel the article does meet our guidelines for inclusion, you are welcome to start a deletion review of the article. Instructions to do this are here. Also, please note that the article was not / is not "yours". See this for more information about ownership of articles. - Rjd0060 04:58, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

• The fact the discography is unknown is not a particularly good thing, but their song being used in a video game is in my opinion noteworthy. It clearly fitst WP:MUSIC criterion number 10: "Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g. a theme for a network television show, performance in a television show or notable film, inclusion on a compilation album, etc. (But if this is the only claim, it is probably more appropriate to have a mention in the main article and redirect to that page.)" (even though computer games aren't mentioned there, I would argue that a computer game can be a notable work of media.) - Mgm|^(talk) 10:14, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Lists of people "born in" any given town . . .

Are there guidelines for lists of people who are native to or born in any given town? Sincerely, GeorgeLouis 06:45, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

No, because they wouldn't be notable. Only notable people can be included in Wikipedia articles of any kind. Dr.K. 06:54, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Except, of course, if you want to create a list of notable natives of some place or other. In that case you can include it in the article of the place. Dr.K. 07:00, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

How to get rid of a format element ("box" made of dotted lines; text within)

I substantially revised the page for Jacquie Jordan (a television producer).

Everything seems fine, but there is a "box" beneath the opening paragraph/intro definition that i cannot see on the edit page, so I cannot figure out what it is or hwo to remove it (it contains deleted text from the old page).

What is the box and how can I delete it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Furioso2012 (talk • contribs) 07:05, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

That is called a "preformat" box, and results from placing a space in front of a word, or "indenting" a line due to the way the wikiscript works (it is also a coding command useful for some things like computer code explanations, but most often a result of mistaken indents). Simply remove all leading spaces, and remember not to indent, and it will be fixed. See Wikipedia's manual of style, layout guide, your first article, article development, and how to edit for more information. Cheers! Ariel♥Gold 07:07, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

I fixed it in the article for you, it was caused by an extra space in the beginning of the second paragraph. --Kudret abi^Talk 07:10, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Protection

Why protect a user talk page? People other than that user may need to post something on that page. 124.176.152.82 09:23, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Hello, I am not sure which page you are referring to, but usually user talk pages are not protected except in some certain cases regarding blocked users (e.g. abuse of the unblocked template, etc.). More information on the protection policy can be found in WP:PROTECT. --Kudret abi^Talk 09:54, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

• A talk page can also be protected if it is the target of heavy repeated vandalism. Especially when the user is having a break and isn't there to correct it. - Mgm|^(talk) 10:07, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
• Protected user talk pages are listed at [24]. PrimeHunter 17:54, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

What I'm trying to say is, why protect a user talk page from every non-administrator, when you're meaning to protect it from (a) particular user(s)? 124.176.152.82 20:33, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Request for personal entry

Hi there .. my name is TONY MATTHEWS - I am an author of football books, having compiled/written almost 100 over the past 30 years including 15 club histories, 10 encyclopaedies, 10 Who's Whos and many more. And have statistics etc of each and every club from 1883 to date...Can I get into Wikipedia. Please let me know.. thank you - TONY (EMAIL REMOVED) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.113.15.78 (talk) 10:45, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

I presume you're a different tony matthews to the one mentioned here as his books appear not to be about football. I'm afraid I can't really give you any advice on your notability, I'll leave that to others. I have, however, removed your email address from your question, as leaving your email address on web pages is likely to get you spammed. --Monorail Cat 12:15, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Lists, categories and disambiguation, oh my!

Hi, I hope this isn't too dumb/obvious a question.. I've looked through the help/FAQs, and still don't really feel like I understand what I'm doing well enough to just be bold. A while back, I identified an Atari ST computer game for someone on the reference desk. When I checked in List of Atari ST games it wasn't listed there, so I was considering adding it to the list, but.... Firstly, I don't fully understand how these lists work. Am I right in thinking that the correct approach would not be to manually edit the 'list of atari st games' page, but instead to create a new article for the game in question, then add that page to the 'atari st games' category, which would then cause it to be automatically added to the list?

Secondly, the title of the game in question is 'Skull and Crossbones'. Going to the page for skull and crossbones brings up an article on the symbol, which starts with the text "For the pirate flag, see Jolly Roger. For the secret society, see Skull and Bones. For the Marvel Comics supervillain, see Crossbones." This already seems a bit overloaded, and I very much doubt it needs "For that Atari ST videogame see..." tagged onto the end of it, so I guess the right approach would be to make a disambiguation page, but I've no idea how. Is it simply done by creating a page named skull_and_crossbones_(disambiguation), filling that with links to each of the possible articles, then editing the main skull_and_crossbones page to say "for other uses see skull_and_crossbones_(disambiguation)? or is there some specific/automated process for doing this?

Err.. oh, and of course, there's also the question of whether the game would be considered noteworthy enough to have an article. It was a commercial game (as opposed to shareware/freeware/etc) that was released by a fairly major (for the platform) publisher. It's at least on par in 'noteworthiness', as I would estimate it, with many other games in the list that do have articles, so I would assume that an article for it would be worthwhile, but I'm not very experienced in judging these things yet.

I hope this all made sense, and sorry if these are dumb noob questions, but hey.. I'm a dumb noob :D --Monorail Cat 11:46, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

First, lists and categories are separate systems. You add an article to a list by editing the list; you add an article to a category by editing the article. There is no technical connection between the two, although sometimes a category is converted to a list by hand or vice versa.

Creating a disambiguation page works the same way as creating any other page; the only difference is that you write {{disambig}} at the bottom so that the software knows it's a disambiguation page. On the page itself you write a bulleted list of links and a short description. The general template for linking to disambiguation pages and other disambiguation purposes is {{otheruses4}}; see Template talk:Otheruses4 for how to use it.

As for whether something is notable enough for an article; people apply various standards to determine whether something is notable. Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Article guidelines lists some specific rules that WikiProject Video games maintains about such articles, although they don't say that much about notability. One good rule of thumb to tell whether something is notable or not is that something is notable if it was covered by multiple sources independent of the thing itself (in fact, this was proposed as a definition of notability at one point, but I don't think it was adopted as the only definition); in the case of a computer game released by a major publisher, it's likely that it was covered in several review magazines that would serve as independent sources for the game.

Hope that helps; if you have any further questions, feel free to ask them! --ais523 12:38, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

(E/C) Hi Monorail. 1) Creating the article and then adding it to the list is the 'best approach. However, you can manually edit the page and list that the article in nonexistent form by surrounding it with two brackets on either side. It will then show up as a red link in the list. This should only be done for subjects that are plausible articles, which you have already identified it as being. However, adding it to a category and the list are entirely separate acts. You add a page to a category by placing a link in the article for the category. For example placing [[Category:Sega games]] to a page will make that article appear as a link in Category:Sega games. The list article is not a category page. Like I said, that has to be manually edited to add the link. It will either show up as a blue link or a red link depending on whether it exists as an article. 2) You have stated well how to create a disambiguation page; there is no automated process. Once you are ready to do that, see Wikipedia:Manual of Style (disambiguation pages), and you can always come back here and say "did I do this correctly?" 3) Whether it is notable is generally a function of whether sufficient third party reliable and independent sources exist from which to write the article's text (because Wikipedia is a tertiary source). If you have sufficient reliable sources from which to write an article on the entry it is, by definition, notable. Of course, please cite those sources in the article. These questions are exactly what this page is for. You are not a "dumb noob", you are a new user in a very complex place with lots of things to know who came here having already read up on things so I'm not speaking in a vacuum and spending half the time defining the vocabulary I'm using. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit 12:59, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Also see Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games. General tip #1: when you are thinking about editing an article (such as List of Atari ST games), check its talk page (in this example, Talk:List of Atari ST games) and see whether any WikiProject banners appear at the top. If so, follow the link(s) to the WikiProject page(s), and there you will find other editors who share your topical interests. General tip #2: get to know the Editor's index to Wikipedia. As far as dumb noob questions go, try reading every question on the Help desk for a few weeks. You'll see you're not even in the running. Here's a few tips on how to get your dumb noob on:

• Write as if English is not your first language, or even your second language.
• Do not phrase your question as a question. Just ramble incoherently about something.
• CAPSLOCK IS YOUR FRIEND. SHOUTING GETS ATTENTION AND HASTENS REPLIES.
• Ask about something other than using Wikipedia.
• If you must ask about using Wikipedia, make sure your question is at or near the top of WP:VFAQ. That shows your time is far too valuable to waste on looking up answers yourself. Others will be impressed by your self-confidence and leap over each other to be the first to help.
  • You can project more self-confidence (perhaps even pomposity) by remembering to never, ever self-deprecate. The less you know about something, the more certain you must seem about it.
• If your question is about an article, don't mention the title. If you must mention the title, do not link it. Give the helpers that much more work to figure out what you are talking about.
• It hasn't occurred to anyone here that Wikipedia has some deficiencies, so be sure to tell us the site sucks. Extra style points for profanity.
• Do not type a section heading for your question.
• Do not sign your question.
• Read How To Ask Questions The Smart Way, and make sure you are doing the opposite of everything it recommends, just in case I forgot something important.

If you can manage all of the above, you have established some dumb noob cred. Otherwise, you just be frontin'. --Teratornis 19:55, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Excellent replies folks, thanks all for the great info, and for reassuring me I'm not nearly so lost here as I first felt :) --Monorail Cat 03:18, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Citation needed?

I am a new member and was wondering if it is my responsibility as a user yo ask for citation of source in others articles or if that was done by you< the professionals. I have noticed that "citation needed" has its own link, and i could not find directions for creating it in wiki-code on the cite. I appreciate any guidance you might have for a nerd with fluency in this code.

  PM  

pärfessor 12:45, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Parmaher (talk • contribs) 12:36, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

There are no "professionals" on Wikipedia, we're all the same as far as encyclopedia editing goes :p. Aggressive sourcing is always good, and feel free to add citation needed tags using {{cite}}. If something is contentious, definitely tag it. -Wooty [Woot?] [Spam! Spam! Wonderful spam!] 12:40, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

• Some users are more experienced than others, but it is very much appreciated if you report something when you come across it. In fact, if you know a source, it's even better if you add it yourself. There is only so much a limited number of experienced users can do, so don't just rely on someone to do it. Other people may not have time or even know something is up. Everything here is on a volunteer basis, but the responsibility for citing an article eventually lies with the person who added the information. Before you tag it, you might want make sure the information isn't referenced by a citation further down. Something citations cover an entire section or paragraph rather than just a single sentence. - Mgm|^(talk) 13:44, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

hi

Does someone know 'Why have some post communist states been more successful than others?" thx a lot —Preceding unsigned comment added by 145.52.249.202 (talk) 13:47, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi. This help desk is for answering qustions about using Wikipedia. Knowledge questions get asked at the references desk. However, this question looks to me like it may be your homework assignment. You can certainly look at our articles to help you find an answer by reading yourself (see, for example, our article Eastern Bloc) and we can help explain things if you have a specific question, but we will not do a person's homework for him or her. If I am completely wrong about the tenor of your question, I apologize.--Fuhghettaboutit 14:14, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

I LOST MY PASSWORD! HELP!

{{help me}}—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.30.188.144 (talk • contribs)

Unfortunately, most of us are not administrators and as such can't help with lost passwords. You can try the the administrator's noticeboard. If they can't help you, they can get you in touch with someone who can. Good luck! NF24^{(radio me!)} 13:59, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

As far as I know, the only way you can retrieve a forgotten password is by using the "E-mail new password" button on the login dialogue. If you didn't set an e-mail, there's no way to recover your password. I do not think administrators have any additional abilities to help here.--Fuhghettaboutit 14:07, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

• Indeed, administrators cannot help with lost passwords; we don't have the access to that kind of information - perhaps developers do. If you didn't set your email address, the best solution is to set up a new account and this time do enter an email address so it enables you to recover your password should you forget it. - Mgm|^(talk) 16:07, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

founders

who founded Google who founded yahoo which women in the year of 2007 went to space for 6 months and half —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.92.76.220 (talk) 14:24, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Search Googles article. But, please try to keep questions here to problems with Wikipedia you are encountering. — Rudget _{contributions} 15:43, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

You can find answers to your questions about Google and Yahoo at Google and Yahoo!. Your question about women in space seems very specific; but List_of_human_spaceflights,_2000-present may tell you what you need to know. In future please ask questions of this kind at the Reference desk; this page is intended for questions about using wikipedia. --Jon186 15:44, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Template for userpage

How do I get a template for my userpage?????????????????????????? Thanks, --S.C.Ruffeyfan 14:47, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

If you're after userboxes, these's info about these at Wikipedia:Userboxes, and lots of existing userboxes under various categories are available at Wikipedia:Userboxes#Gallery.

Other kinds of userpage templates are available at Wikipedia:Template_messages/User_namespace

--Jon186 15:32, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

You may also want to ask an experienced editor, I'm sure they'd be more than happy to help. — Rudget _{contributions} 15:40, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

human body temperature

Resolved

 – This has been resolved, but should not be put on the Help Desk The Helpful One ^{(Talk) (Contributions)} 19:02, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

what is the nornmal human body temperature —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.241.184.37 (talk) 15:41, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

It is 37 degrees celsius. Please try to keep questions here, about problems you are encountering. If you have any more topical questions refer them to the reference desk. — Rudget _{contributions} 15:43, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

See also normal human body temperature. PrimeHunter 19:16, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Uploading image for Wiki Article

I am interested in improving the Wiki article on Charles Webster Leadbeater (1854-1934), http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Webster_Leadbeater. To this end I have learned basic Wiki mark-up language and have made some minor text additions and revisions. However, I have attempted several times to upload a benign photograph of him from 1914 to place at the top of the article, after moving the existing thought-form image down to a lower position in the text, but without success. I managed to move down the existing image, upload the new image to Wikimedia Commons as Charles_Webster_Leadbeater.pdf and C.W._Leadbeater.pdf. But for some reason I cannot upload this new image to the article. The photograph was taken in 1914 and was published in India by the Theosophical Publishing House, to my knowledge, as a frontpiece in a 1930 book if not before then. So it is in the public domain, and is on a few websites. Would an experienced Wikipedian be able to help? RAmesbury 15:52, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

If it was as a pdf, it wouldn't upload. It has to be in .gif, .png, .svg or .jpg formats. Hope this has helped. Best, — Rudget _{contributions} 15:57, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

• pdf is not an image format. Try uploading it under one of the formats Rudget suggested and it will work just fine. To avoid any conflict with the existing image, you should give it a different name (even if the file extension is already different). I suggest including your username in the name you give the file so you are sure there won't be any file with the same name. It also helps people to figure out who uploaded it without trawling through the image upload history. - Mgm|^(talk) 16:04, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

• The others are right. File:Wiki.png Charles Webster Leadbeater.pdf and File:Wiki.png C.W. Leadbeater.pdf are not images. They are pdf files which in this case consist of a single page containing an image in the upper left corner. The images apparently originate from http://www.spiritwritings.com/cwleadbeater.jpg and http://www.cwlworld.info/assets/images/CWL-Sydney-wellknown.jpg. Those are real jpg images and could be uploaded and used in an article. PrimeHunter 17:42, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

how do you make citations?

as above —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.5.15.51 (talk) 18:05, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

To make a quick website ref, you can type <ref>http://www.website.name</ref>. Then you put the following at the bottom of the article (if it isn't there already)

==References==
{{reflist}}

For specific templates and other citation info, see Wikipedia:Citing sources. NF24^{(radio me!)} 18:53, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

And see WP:FOOT and WP:CITET. --Teratornis 08:15, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Uploading a jpg file for a Wiki article

I am still trying to upload an image to improve the Wiki article on Charles Webster Leadbeater (1854-1934), http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Webster_Leadbeater. Presuming the photograph is in the public domain, I went right to www.spiritwritings.com/cwleadbeater.jpg, named that as the source file, named the new file "CWLeadbeater/RAmesbury.jpg," selected license indicating more than 70 years since author's death, and then clicked on Upload File, but all I got was a message saying, "The file you uploaded seems to be empty..." —Preceding unsigned comment added by RAmesbury (talk • contribs) 20:37, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Using "/" in a name marks it as being a sub-page, which could be why you got the "empty page" message. Try reuploading it with a new file name that doesn't contain "/". I suggest that you keep the file name simple e.g. CWLeadbeater.jpg - there's no need to have your name in the file name, for example, since any one who looks at the image page will be able to see that you uploaded it. Regards, Bencherlite^Talk 21:27, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

• If you read his earlier message, you'll find I recommended that to avoid duplicate file names in the event someone else will upload an image of the guy. But yes, file names can't contain slashes, try an underscore like "_" <-- this - Mgm|^(talk) 21:32, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

a glich in wikipedia

Hello

my name is Jeff Harber. I'm a musician, writer, composer for Interscope Records/Universal Music. There is copright infringment, under the page

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Thorn_For_Every_Heart

I realize that I can change it, however, there is criminal activity and I am continung to be discrediited. At this time, I would appreciate it, if the Thorn Page could be put down temporarily until this gets resolved through the courts.

Thanks, Jeff Harber —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.104.241.132 (talk) 20:44, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Sure thing. Where is the copyright infringement? Is it the whole page? And what is the source from which the information was taken? We would be glad to just remove any copyrighted materials on request, there is no need for legal intervention. Feel free to contact me via email (Prodego [at] gmail [dot] com) if you would be more comfortable communicating that way. Prodego ^talk 20:49, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

I took a look at the page myself, and I don't see anything in there that looks like a copyright violation. However, there could easily have been something I missed. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 21:52, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

I don't know what criminal activity Jeff is refering to, but he may have been talking about this edit. I've reverted it as unsourced. — Edokter • Talk • 22:31, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Jeff. We take legal issues very seriously here. Please immediatly state your problem as specifically as possible. If you prefer to use e-mail, please look here. This may be deadly serious to you, and we do sympathize. However, all we currently have from you is an assertion from an anonymous editor at a particular IP address (71.104.241.132) that he is in fact the Jeff Harber named in the article. From the information we have, we cannot tell if this is Jeff Harber, or Jeff Harber's worst enemy. Based on this information alone, it is not appropriate for us to remove the offending article. That article represents the work ofn many editors. If we do a takedown of a page based on an anonymous assertion, then the whole of Wikipedia is subject to random assault by any ten-year-old at any library in any country. The servers at Wikipedia are subject to the laws of the state of Florida and the laws of the United States of America. You can if you wish instigate a DCMA takedown. However, you will find that informal techiniques are a lot faster, so please just let us know what the precise problem is. Note that almost all issues under copyright law are civil, not criminal. If we have an issue under the criminal law, please tell us at once. -Arch dude 23:58, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Please, help me.

I'm Argentine and I created and article about a very famous Argentine man. Carlos Carrascosa but I need help. First, he was found guilty of concealment of a murder so, he's criminal but Is he murderer too?.... and my second question is.... Is it the Image OK or is violating some copyright-law? thanks.Frankedjsjs 21:54, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the article. I just read it, and based on your report, there is no reason that the article should call him a murderer. The article is very precise about the crime he was convicted of.

With respect of the copyright, we do not have enough information. Where did this picture come from? If you took this picture, then you hold the copyright and you will need to grant Wikipedia a license under the GFDL. You do this by editing the image description page. If you did not take this picture yourself, then the copyright is owned by the photographer and we will remove it from Wikipedia unless you can get the photographer to grant a GFDL license to Wikipedia.

Since English is not your best language, someone will probably work to improve the article's grammar, but I think the basic structure is very good. We will however need to add as many references as possible to establish notability. Do you intend to add a version of this article to the Spanish Wikipedia? -Arch dude 23:24, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

I did a quick copyedit. You already have three good references, but they are all to Spanish-language news sites. Since this is the English-language Wikipedia, we strongly prefer English-language references. Can you find some? If not, we are probably still OK, here. -Arch dude 23:24, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes, forgive my English please. I wanted create the article because I thought that my English was great :D. I repeat, forgive me :P. I promise you that I will find an English reference to it but wait me. About the Image, I found the Image in an old-newspaper (February) and it hasn't got photographer. Also, it don't say anything about public domain or copyright laws or private image. So, I thought that it was free. What do you think??.... Oh, Also, I have cut the image. Thanks man for answer me.Frankedjsjs 01:50, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Your English was good enough. Please do not apologize: I know very little Spanish. If my copyedit failed to capture the correct meaning, please feel free to make additional edits. Your three Spanish-language references are good enough for now. I hope you can find english-language references: this is highly desirable but not mandatory. It is probably more important to create an article on the Spanish-language wikipedia. Please place any further comments on the talk page of the article. And thanks again.

About the copyright: All countries that recognize the Berne convention on Copyright have the same rules: copyright exists even if there is no explicit copyright notification. This means that unless you can find an explicit disclaimer of copyright, then the photographer owns the copyright on the image.

-Arch dude 02:26, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

different functions (i think)

does anybody know if wikipedia has a timeline that way if you need to know the timeline for somebody you can just type in their name and it will show up —Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.113.177.85 (talk) 22:40, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you want a timeline for. If you want to see an editors contributions in chronological order then go to their user page and click "User contributions" in the toolbox to the left. If you want to see edits to a page in chronological order then click "history" at the top. If you want a timeline for the life of one of the people Wikipedia has a biography for then there is only the normal text of the biography. This may or may not include a history of the person in a format that could be called a timeline. PrimeHunter 23:59, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

My article has been linked with the wrong category

I have written an article called Stephen James Murphy, every word of which is 100% correct (I am his girlfriend of 5 years). At the bottom there's a list of categories, one of which is 'English hockey players'. He is not English, but Scottish. I want to change this to 'British hockey players' or delete it completely. How do I do this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anne James (talk • contribs) 23:19, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

You appear to have fixed this yourself, as the category now shows as Category:Scottish field hockey players. I would ask, however, that you recuse yourself from further editing of this article, as you appear to have a conflict of interest which is affecting the neutrality of the article. Thanks. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 23:28, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

(ec) (Cough, I fixed it...) Agree with Hersfold. Bencherlite^Talk 23:36, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

• She could discuss possible edits with people from a WikiProject; I would be surprised if there isn't one for Hockey. - Mgm|^(talk) 23:39, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

I have changed it to Category:Scottish ice hockey players. There is Wikipedia:WikiProject Ice Hockey. PrimeHunter 23:45, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Yeh, sorry - brainstorm there! Bencherlite^Talk 23:46, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

He isn't a Scottish field hockey player, he is a British ice hockey player. I wrote this hoping that other people would add to it and expand it as I was surprised there wasn't an article about him already. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anne James (talk • contribs) 23:47, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Hello Anne, Welcome to Wikipedia! (Please sign your comments after you are done typing, by adding four tildes (~~~~), so others know who made the comments.) Also, I've edited the article to align it with the formatting per the manual of style, and biography manual of style, and I have removed the neutrality issues, please review the neutrality policy, as this is one of the core pillars of Wikipedia, and very important. I would probably agree that you may wish to simply add items to the article's discussion page, rather than edit the article yourself, due to a possible conflict of interest, as the article had a distinct "fan site" tone, which is not appropriate for an encyclopedia. The categories appeared to be fixed when I checked. Cheers! Ariel♥Gold 23:59, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

OK thanks for the help, this was the first article I have written so I wasn't really sure how to write it! I just wanted to get a simple article started to get the ball rolling. Hopefully people will add to it! Anne James 00:07, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia search using opera

Is there anyway to configure a Wikipedia as a search engine in Opera?

For instance, you can get Amazon to work by just typing a <insert search here> in the address bar. You have to use this link http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/external-search?tag=opera-20&index=blended&keyword=%s to configure it.

Is there a such link available for wikipedia--so you can type "wiki <insert search here>"

That would be awesome.

Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.99.25.57 (talk) 23:38, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm not familiar with Opera but looking at what you wrote for Amazon and using similar logic, perhaps something like http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Search&search=%s could work? --Kudret abi^Talk 00:24, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Or maybe this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=%s&fulltext=Search --Kudret abi^Talk 00:27, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm not very familiar with Opera, but it looks like you can indeed add Wikipedia as a custom search, as described here --Monorail Cat 01:45, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

December 3

about australia —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.177.110.134 (talk) 00:59, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but what is your question? The helpdesk is only for questions about editing; the Reference desk will help you with factual questions. NF24^{(radio me!)} 01:24, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Can someone take a quick look at an article I just created?

Hi there, I've just created my first Wikipedia article, Archipelagos (computer game) after noticing there wasn't an entry for it. Would someone like to take a quick look over it and make sure I haven't done anything stupid? I've tried to stick as as best as possible to all the Wikipedia rules that I'm aware of, but I'm still rather new at this. Also, I'm interested in creating/editing more video game articles, and I gather there's some kind of project or group for doing this - how do I go about getting involved? Thanks --Monorail Cat 01:33, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Nice article. Well sectioned. Needs more wikilinks and in text citations. Dr.K. 01:40, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your feedback. I've wikified the terms that seemed to need it, and added citations for the review scores I quoted. --Monorail Cat 02:09, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Great work. Take care. Dr.K. 03:11, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

For the video-game project, try WikiProject_Council/Directory/Culture/Games. (Well, that link doesn't work — I probably did it wrong — but I'm sure you can find it.) Sincerely, GeorgeLouis 03:46, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Try Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory/Culture/Games. – ABCD✉ 03:55, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

I found them at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Video_games thanks :) --Monorail Cat 22:16, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Block request

User:Togokill‎ has been vandalizing many many times lately, has declared himself to be a sock puppet, and someone needs to deal with this. -Theanphibian ^{(talk • contribs)} 01:49, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

You should make vandalism reports at WP:AIV, sockpuppet reports at WP:SSP, and complex abuse alerts at WP:ANI. The Help Desk isn't the best place for these. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 02:00, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, that's actually why I posted here, to find out where these requests go. -Theanphibian ^{(talk • contribs)} 02:43, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

web pages

How do I or is it possible for me to create a subject like put Colette Pansy on here as a compatible subject or something on the lines of thatZuluPrincess 02:15, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

You can make a new article or category. Other than that I'm not sure what you're asking. -Theanphibian ^{(talk • contribs)} 02:44, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

If this is about creating a new Wikipedia article:

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. PrimeHunter 03:10, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Templates?

Is there a help page for template creation. Thx. Stupid2 03:05, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

See Help:Template and Help:Advanced templates. And Wikipedia:Requested templates may also be of interest. PrimeHunter 03:08, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Lots more information is here: WP:EIW#Template. What kind of template do you want to create? Wikipedia has thousands already (see: Category:Template categories). We can help you search for an existing template that does what you want, or is close enough to make a good starting point for your editing. But we need to know what kind of template you need. --Teratornis 08:12, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

origin/ethnicity

is there something for userpages to show ur from a specific country? I would like a little box that says that i'm from colombia with a pic of the colombian flag to the left. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dlo2012 (talk • contribs) 03:09, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

{{User Colombia}} has a combination of map and flag. PrimeHunter 03:13, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

And it places you in Category:Colombian Wikipedians. PrimeHunter 03:16, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

speedy deltion? i havent vandilised

a mesage on my article has popped up saying i've vandilised but i haven't. i've put ((hangon)) under the mesage but what do i do now? Note that i did copy from a word document that i made so is that the problem? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sir namu (talk • contribs) 06:50, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Demon rabbit? Wikipedia is not for things made up one day. Don't make pages like that anymore, okay? GlassCobra 07:03, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

creating article in persian language

dear

how i can create persian(farsi) article in wiki???

tnx <e-mail removed> —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.191.83.34 (talk) 08:09, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Please see the Persian Wikipedia. --Teratornis 08:13, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Also, please don't post your e-mail address here. It's a busy page and may attract spam. Raven4x4x 09:36, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Options for possible content dispute?

I wanted to ask for some advice about G. Harrold Carswell. I came across it yesterday, while participating in the Military History Assessment drive. Having read the article, I reverted the addition of a large block of unformatted, unsourced text which contained (in a direct address to readers and essay-like format), the assertion that the subject had murdered someone [25]. I left a note on the talk page explaining my reasons, and that I had no problems with the content, only that it was unsourced and poorly written and formatted.

Today, the text has been re-added (this time claiming to be from court records, but with no citation information). The final sentence is: "The one inescapable conclusion here is that only one man directly benefited from the gay man's murder: Carswell. Those who benefited indirectly are self evident." which is hardly encyclopedic. I also got a message from the editor implying that I have some underhanded motive for reverting. They've clearly got a bit of a bee in their bonnet about this, and possibly aren't entirely clear on how WP works. I've replied, but I've not sure where to go from here. It's not a BLP issue, as the person is dead. A Request for Comment (which is suggested for "general content disputes regarding biographical articles") seems heavy-handed. Normally, I'd ask for a third opinion, but I'm not sure that would be effective in this case. The text has already been removed and re-added a couple of times, and I don't want to get into some kind of edit war. I haven't really been involved in any kind of content dispute before - are there any other options to try? --Kateshortforbob 10:16, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Content RFCs are pretty simple and lightweight (as opposed to user conduct RFCs, which are a somewhat heavy-handed process); they're a step up from a third opinion, in that you generally get fourth, fifth and sixth opinions as well. You might want to see Wikipedia:Dispute resolution for a list of the available options for resolving disputes, especially the Step 6 section (which appears to be the stage you're at at the moment). --ais523 10:27, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the help, Ais523. Looks like a content RFC is the way to go after all - most of the ones I've seen have been user RFCs, which are a bit intimidating. Thanks again! --Kateshortforbob 16:44, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

anonymous edits

The majority of edits to Hydrogen_Economy are now coming from anonymous users, mostly from a few IPs. Short of protecting the article from unregistered users, what might be done to get people on record? PotomacFever 10:54, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Editing by unregistered users is allowed and not by itself a reason for semi-protection or other action. Is there a problem with extensive vandalism by unregistered users? PrimeHunter 12:44, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

You can greet the anonymous editors with {{subst:Welcome-anon}} or another of the welcome templates that encourages registering an account :) — Ksero (leave me a message, things I've done) 16:46, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

St Josephs College Banora Point vandalism report please act NOW

URGENT Please remove all the information regarding St Josephs College Banora Point from Wikipedia. Due to the increasing number of false statements being made, including those statements added by SteveMcQueenBees on 27th November 2007.

We have a great concerns regarding the easy access by people unknown to make false remarks which leave us open to legal action as has occurred in the past and is currently threatened

Please attend to this as soon as possible.

Regards, Paula Mcloughlin

On behalf of the College Principal Mr Peter Mcloughlin —Preceding unsigned comment added by Paula mcloughlin (talk • contribs) 10:56, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Hello Paula. As you have now been told on your talk page, if you want to have an article deleted, you need to request this the articles for deletion. However, articles are not deleted purely on the basis that they are sometimes vandalized or that they have inaccuracies inserted, whether deliberately or not. The changes made by SteveMcQueenBees are no longer in the article in any case. I have added St. Joseph's College, Tweed Heads to my watchlist (and I hope a couple of others who see this will do so too) to keep an eye open for any further problems. In the meantime, removing sections of the article as it currently stands does not seem to be warranted, and your changes have been undone. Regards, Bencherlite^Talk 11:23, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Well I'm baffled. I can't find any contributions by User:SteveMcQueenBees and the St. Joseph's College, Tweed Heads article was not changed between 9 October and today's edits. Today's edits could be summarised as vandalism (including page blanking) by two Australian IP addresses and User:Paula mcloughlin. Is this request for deletion genuine? Astronaut 13:55, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

The offending edits have been deleted now, not just reverted, hence they no longer appear in the page history (but can still be seen by admins). Bencherlite^Talk 14:13, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the info, but I'm still baffled. I can't see your link about deleted edits (some permission error because I'm not an admininstator) and User:SteveMcQueenBees doesn't exist, has nade no contributions, and the user logs are empty. Sorry to sound sceptical, but what's going on? Astronaut 14:33, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm not an administrator but I found User:SteveMcQueenBeeg with 'g' at the end in [26], and User talk:SteveMcQueenBeeg shows that's the one. Unfortunately a huge number of people come to the help desk and give no name or a wrong name (usually for the article they want help with). PrimeHunter 14:49, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Ah! All becomes clear. Sometimes my skeptical side takes over :-). But, I've been here long enough to know that leaving out info often happens and I should have looked at the ListUsers function. Thanks PrimeHunter. Astronaut 15:35, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

conflict of interest in a WP bio

My question is about who should/should not edit a biography WP article. I encountered an instance in which most edits were made, and are still being made, by the best man from the subject's wedding. OK? PotomacFever 11:12, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Editing by someone with a conflict of interest is discouraged. Which article are you concerned about? Astronaut 13:58, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Uluru

Uluru has a table which is badly broken. Can someone fix it? -Oreo Priest 11:59, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

It wasn't a table, it was the {{convert}} template. It didn't like the negative integer, so I wrote it out manually. It is fixed now. Woodym555 12:18, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Problem Uploading a jpg Image

I am still trying to upload an image to improve the Wiki article on C.W. Leadbeater, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Webster_Leadbeater. Presuming this 1914 photograph is in the public domain, my source file is www.spiritwritings.com/cwleadbeater.jpg. The Wikimedia Commons file name I tried to give it was CWLeadbeater.jpg. I keyed in the source and licence information, then clicked on Upload File, but nothing happened. I went back to Edit the Wiki article page, keyed in "[[Image:wiki.pngCWLeadbeater.jpg|thumbnail|right|Charles Webster Leadbeater in 1914]]"

File:Wiki.pngCWLeadbeater.jpg

Charles Webster Leadbeater in 1914

, clicked on Show Preview, but no image came up, only a repeat upload screen with the same null result. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RAmesbury (talk • contribs)

Perhaps try again without a "." after Wiki - it probably makes the software think that the rest is a file extension! Bencherlite^Talk 12:16, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Are you downloading it to your hard disk before uploading? You can include the URL source www.spiritwritings.com/cwleadbeater.jpg in the summary field. PrimeHunter 12:38, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

• You should've entered: "[[Image:CWLeadbeater.jpg|thumbnail|right|Charles Webster Leadbeater in 1914]]" without the "wiki.png" inserted. I think the upload itself failed because you wanted to upload the file from another website rather than your own harddrive. Try dowloading the image and then uploading it with the browse button. - 131.211.161.119 14:01, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Sheepskin

78.145.121.89 12:21, 3 December 2007 (UTC) I have a sheepskin,bought abroad,how can I get rid of the sheepy smell & also soften the leather back?

Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. PrimeHunter 12:40, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

computer networking

Godfrey2 14:23, 3 December 2007 (UTC)advantages of computer networking in learning institutions

This help desk is for questions regarding using Wikipedia. For general knowledge and research type questions, please see the reference desk. Dismas|^(talk) 14:30, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Contacting fellow contributors

Hi There,

I am a member of wikipedia. It is great and I also donate money!

Quick question: Is there a way to contact a fellow contributor if I have the cont's wiki name?

Thanks,

Brendan

(email removed to protect you from spam)—Preceding unsigned comment added by Bmcclean1 (talk • contribs) 14:27, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Answered on User talk:Bmcclean1, so as to give an example at the same time as answering the question. --ais523 14:32, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Creating maps

How can I create a world map that is colored to my specifications? For instance, something like this one [27] but with my own colors per country. -- CoolGuy 15:34, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Use an image editor. It's best to use SVG files for maps, so you could use a program like Adobe Illustrator or Inkscape. See http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Blank_SVG_maps_of_the_world for images you can start from to change the color of countries on. —Random832 16:28, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

__NOEDITSECTION__

I have discovered that there seems to be no "antidote" to the "__NOEDITSECTION__" magic word. ("__EDITSECTION__" does not work). On my user talk page I wish to disable the "edit" button from showing next to the very first section, but then turn display on again for subsequent sections. Any help or advice gratefully received! Alice.S 15:48, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

I don't believe this is possible. The magic words turn them all off or all on, there's no middle ground. Sorry. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 18:25, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes, that's the problem. I was hoping that some kind and knowledgeable HTML wizard would come galloping to my rescue with suitable code. Please tell me on my talk page if there is a solution? Alice.S 19:08, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Problem Uploading Picture to Wiki Article

I am still trying to upload a public domain photo from www.spiritwriting.com/cwleadbeater.jpg to Wiki article en.wikipedia.org/Charles_Webster_Leadbeater. I tried downloading this first to my hard drive, as suggested, but I could not save it to My Pictures (Windows XP)in jpg format. On My Pictures the Paste icon is not enabled to save it in jpg. I can download and save it to a Word file but then I would lose the jpg format when I try to save it. How do I down load this image without loosing its jpg format so I can upload it to Wikimedia Commons, and from there to the article? RAmesbury 16:27, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

That site is not working for me, but my guess is that if you cannot save the image that's probably because the site's webmaster hasn't enabled this, which means that he doesn't want the picture to be taken from his site. If the image really REALLY is in the public domain you can always take a screenshot, paste in paint, cut, save as .jpg, upload at wiki. -Yamanbaiia 16:36, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Please give some details. What is a screenshot? And how does one "paste and paint?" —Preceding unsigned comment added by RAmesbury (talk • contribs) 18:58, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Wiktionary =spell-check dictionary?

Can Wiktionary be used to create a list of words to use as a spell-check dictionary? --Seans Potato Business 17:30, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

You'd be better off asking at Wiktionary, but as with Wikipedia, Wiktionary shouldn't be regarded as 100% accurate 100% of the time, and may not be complete. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 18:23, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

uss heritage(ap-54)

—72.90.55.226 18:22, 3 December 2007 (UTC)photo

Did you have a question? Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 18:23, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

uss heritage(ap-54)

help me photos?joe massey —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.90.55.226 (talk) 18:26, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

We don't appear to have an article on the USS Heritage, however if you explain your question more clearly at the Reference desk, they may be able to assist you. The Help Desk is here to help you use Wikipedia, not search for information or photos. Searching the Wikimedia Commons may also produce some photos for you. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 18:40, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Update: We do have a short article on the SS Conte Biancamano, which was renamed as the USS Hermitage AP-54 in World War II. There are no images on the page. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 18:41, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Problem Downloading to Upload to a Wiki Article

I am still trying to upload a public domain photo from www.spiritwritings.com/cwleadbeater.jpg to Wiki article en.wikipedia.org/Charles_Webster_Leadbeater. I tried downloading this first to my hard drive, as suggested, but I could not save it to My Pictures (Windows XP)in jpg format. On My Pictures the Paste icon is not enabled to save it in jpg. I can download and save it to a Word file but then I would lose the jpg format when I try to save it. How do I down load this image without loosing its jpg format so I can upload it to Wikimedia Commons, and from there to the article? RAmesbury 16:27, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

That site is not working for me, but my guess is that if you cannot save the image that's probably because the site's webmaster hasn't enabled this, which means that he doesn't want the picture to be taken from his site. If the image really REALLY is in the public domain you can always take a screenshot, paste in paint, cut, save as .jpg, upload at wiki. -Yamanbaiia 16:36, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

The site is working now. I just tried it. Please give some details. What is a screenshot? And how does one "paste and paint?" RAmesbury 19:04, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

• Yamanbaiia said "paste in paint"; (s)he was referring to Microsoft Paint a drawing program. You can use the Prt Scr button on your keyboard to make the computer store (copy) the image on the screen on the clipboard and then use the paste command in the edit menu of any drawing program. You can use the drawing program, to remove unused space and save the actual image. - Mgm|^(talk) 20:48, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Problem Downloading to Upload to a Wiki Article

I am still trying to upload a public domain photo from www.spiritwritings.com/cwleadbeater.jpg to Wiki article en.wikipedia.org/Charles_Webster_Leadbeater. I tried downloading this first to my hard drive, as suggested, but I could not save it to My Pictures (Windows XP)in jpg format. On My Pictures the Paste icon is not enabled to save it in jpg. I can download and save it to a Word file but then I would lose the jpg format when I try to save it. How do I down load this image without loosing its jpg format so I can upload it to Wikimedia Commons, and from there to the article? RAmesbury 16:27, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

That site is not working for me, but my guess is that if you cannot save the image that's probably because the site's webmaster hasn't enabled this, which means that he doesn't want the picture to be taken from his site. If the image really REALLY is in the public domain you can always take a screenshot, paste in paint, cut, save as .jpg, upload at wiki. -Yamanbaiia 16:36, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

The site is working now. I just tried it. Please give some details. What is a screenshot? And how does one "paste and paint?" RAmesbury 19:04, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

• Yamanbaiia said "paste in paint"; (s)he was referring to Microsoft Paint a drawing program. You can use the Prt Scr button on your keyboard to make the computer store (copy) the image on the screen on the clipboard and then use the paste command in the edit menu of any drawing program. You can use the drawing program, to remove unused space and save the actual image. - Mgm|^(talk) 20:51, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
• I've downloaded the image and emailed RAmesbury asking for their email, so I can send it to them. - Mgm|^(talk) 20:51, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

multilingual

Hi!

2 quick question that I can't find replies to:

a) Am I only logged in as a user in ONE language???

b) Should I put "all languages" on the same page or should I log in to different languages?

Thanks a million for help!

Natalia Kim info@promopress.com

or Nataliakim (login in Spanish) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.210.12.94 (talk) 19:26, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

At present, each Wikipedia is separate. You have a separate identity with each one, and must sign in separately to each one. --Orange Mike | Talk 19:54, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Template problem with NJSchoolDistrict

I had created Template:NJSchoolDistrict, which was intended to display information about school districts in New Jersey. It works great (for the most part), but there are some stray numbers that appear in both the table and the body of the article. This can be best seen at Teaneck Public Schools. I have all of the data available via download to add to the other 600+ school districts in the state, but I have never been able to address the problem. Can anyone help with this one? Alansohn 19:29, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Fixed. You were missing some <td> tags in a few places. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 20:25, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

History may have gotten detached from articles during series of moves

((brought over from my talk page)) ...in the shifting article names for List of organizations for women writers, somehow the history is now attached to List of organizations for female writers, and the talk page is with women, or maybe I've got it backwards, but I think you get my drift. There is confusion in them thar articles. O great and powerful administrator[s], help? --Lquilter 19:48, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Radio Format Question

76.118.247.91 19:58, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

• Suppose there's a CHR/Hot AC hybrid Pop radio station that has an extremely extensive playlist. Like, suppose such an eccentric format were reported in the radio station's website. How would one label the format in the info-box at the top right of the page? For example, if the station included, at random at any time, any of the Billboard 200 hits from all years of the 1990s through the present but also featured the more recent songs but than also did album cuts from the currently-popular Pop artists? Songs that standard CHR or Hot AC stations don't play. Suppose this was stated in the station's website? How would this wacky format be labeled on the info-box at the top of the page? For one thing, this does not sound like "Top 40". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.118.247.91 (talk • contribs)

I'd probably just tag it "eclectic: see article"! --Orange Mike | Talk 20:11, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

BetacommandBot - What now?

BetacommandBot hit some images for which I had given insufficient fair-use rationales. What now? I've started to change the rationales to be in compliance with Wiki standards. Do I delete the "disputed fair use" template? Will the image page be revisited by a human before this bot deletes the image? Is there anyway to trigger a review to get further comment on the updated fair-use rationale? Is there a human editor to discuss these things with or are we at the mercy of bots? Thanks in advance. Vantelimus 20:07, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

• The bot is run by User:Betacommand and you should take any issues up with this operator. Can you link to the images? Maybe there is something wrong other editors can fix. - Mgm|^(talk) 20:18, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
• Also, the bot apparently doesn't delete anything (I didn't find anything in the deletion log. So deletion will involve evaluation by a human editr. - Mgm|^(talk) 20:20, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

copyright not expired in the US?

I believe that free use, not fair use, is appropriate for DYK hooks (did you know). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:C-H_Laverdiere.jpg does not indicate if copyright is still valid in the United States, where WP servers are located. Even if the photo is from the 1800's, if it was first published after 1923, it could be still copyrighted. Even if the Canadian copyright is expired, the US one may not be. Please advice or comment.

In the interim, I've kept the DYK hook (which will be on the main page soon) but temporarily removed the photo. I've notified the article author, too. Archtransit 20:12, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

• The source site apparently shows that this is part of a book, so I believe this was in fact part of a book around the same period, so probably older than 50 years -- clearly in the public domain by the tag. If you remove the image, please make sure you replace it with another one of one of the other items. - Mgm|^(talk) 20:23, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
  • As above. Thanks for asking before using. — Rudget _{contributions} 20:33, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Trying to tag an un-notable page

I keep tagging the page of an unsigned band that I believe to be un-notable. However, the page's creator keeps simply deleting the tag. What should be done in this instance?

For reference, the page is The Idlers (band) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Petemella (talk • contribs) 20:44, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

I took a look at the article, and I agree that it doesn't seem to be notable, so I'm starting an AfD discussion on it. This should resolve the issue one way or another. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 21:11, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Is this OR?

I found 3 sources of equally high crediblitiy for an article, and each conflicts with the others. But I cannot find a source pointing out the confliction. Is it original research to say "Sources conflict on this subject, one says this, one says that and one says this"? Cigraphix 18:49, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

As long as you provide the sources, I don't think a simple statement that sources conflict is OR. Going any further into it than stating this fact could be OR, though. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 21:02, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

As long as you cite what each source says, you should be fine. For example, "Sources conflict on this subject; source a says viewpoint 1^[cite], whereas source b says viewpoint 2^[cite]". Wait a bit longer, as I'm not 100% on this, and I wouldn't want you to take my advice just to see it contradicted a few minutes later.

(After edit conflict) Seems I'm saying the same thing as Pyro above. Just don't go any further and you should be fine. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 21:04, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflicts) It depends, for example on how obvious the conflict is. Wikipedia:Neutral point of view allows to mention different claims in a neutral way but they don't necessarily have to be called "conflicting". What is the article and what do the sources say? PrimeHunter 21:05, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

It is a characters' speed comparison: two starring characters from the same brand, both rivals to each other, each of the sources are from the company that makes them. There are also more sources that can be used: One source says one character is faster, two sources say the other character is faster, most others (more than three) say they are equal. The conflict is obvious. Cigraphix 21:40, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

I'd advise more or less what Pyro and Hersfold do: explicitly saying, "DC has published contradictory assertions at different times: some that say The Flash is faster; that say Superman is faster; and that say you can't tell; but of course, the past and present may be retconned at any time"; with cites for each assertion. --Orange Mike | Talk 21:44, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

November 19 archive link brings up November 25 questions?

They look like the same questions, but it says "November 25". All but the last question apparently were asked on November 19.

I was getting ready to ask a question about that last November 25 question. No one answered it, so I did. So the question is how to let the person know I did.Vchimpanzee 21:32, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Wiki Etiquette

Thanks folks. I finally managed to upload that jpg web photo of CW Leadbeater to en.wikipedia.org/Charles_Webster_Leadbeater, although I had to ask a Microsoft technician how to do it by using Paint. This photo is public domain so don't anyone delete it. Now that I can move on to text editing, is there a discussion page on which editors of each Wiki article can communicate with each other. I would like to give notice that I intend to make certain changes to improve the text to invite opinions about same before doing so as a courtesy to the other people who have contributed to this article. Thanks again. RAmesbury 21:33, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Such discussion would go on at Talk:Charles Webster Leadbeater. --Orange Mike | Talk 21:40, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Editing the article "methanol economy"

I tried to edit the first paragraph of the article concerning the "methanol economy". When I click on the first edit button on the page it goes to "synthesis" which is the second paragraph in the article. How can I edit the first paragraph?

Thank you in Advance for your help