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October 17

Europa League first knockout round

In the Europa League, after the group phase is concluded 32 teams enter the knockout stage: 12 group winners, 12 group runners-up, and 8 teams dropping from the Champions League.

What I can't work out is: normally in a group-followed-by-knockout format the group winners are each drawn against a runner-up in the first round, thus giving an incentive to finish first (and face a weaker opponent). Does this happen in the Europa League? And if so, how do the Champions League drop-outs fit in? --81.136.143.173 (talk) 10:10, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

From UEFA:

Knockout phase

From the last 32 until the semi-finals, clubs play two games against each other on a home-and-away basis with the same rules as the qualifying and play-off rounds applied. In the last 32, group winners and the four third-placed sides from the UEFA Champions League with the best records are seeded, guaranteeing they will play the second leg at home. Teams from the same group or the same association cannot be drawn together. From the round of 16 onwards the draw is free. Dalliance (talk) 11:48, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

UEFA have a certain way with language. That UEFA guideline implies, but doesn't state that the 16 seeded teams (which includes the 12 group winners) also have the advantage of not playing other seeded teams in the round of 32, which is the thrust of the question. The fact that the 16 are all guaranteed to play their second legs at home means that they can't play one another, which is probably a bigger advantage than the three advantages cited by UEFA. UEFAese anyone? --Dweller (talk) 12:00, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

So the four drop-outs with the most co-efficient points go with the group winners, and are paired against the runners-up and the drop-outs with fewer points. Thanks for your help. --81.136.143.173 (talk) 14:54, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Not quite, it is the number of points obtained in the Champions League group stage that determines which CL dropouts are seeded, not UEFA coefficient. For example last season the seeded CL dropouts were Manchester City (10 points), Manchester United (9), Olympiacos (9) and Valencia (8, goal difference +5). The unseeded teams were Porto (8, GD 0) Ajax (8, GD 0), Trazbonspor (7) and Plzen (5). This meant the Europa League holders Porto were unseeded, even though they had the highest coefficient of any of the 32 teams, and were seeded in the highest pot in the Champions League group stage draw. The best site for trying to decipher UEFA draws is Bert Kassies' site. I am convinced that Mr. Kassies is the only person in existence that understands the whole thing, and I include UEFA themselves in that. Oldelpaso(talk) 17:28, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

But Dweller, seeded teams by definition cannot play other seeded teams. I don't think UEFA must repeat the definition of "seeded" every time they use that term. --Theurgist (talk) 23:21, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

In other FIFA and UEFA competitions, they use the word "seed" differently, where they allocate seeds of different pots to play one another, notably in the opening rounds of the World and European championships. Furthermore, given the barminess of UEFA competitions (they do, after all, have a "Champions' League" that includes national "champions"... plus up three other teams from any one country, making for a curious definition of "champions") there's no reason to suspect that they wouldn't create a system whereby "seeds" benefit in many ways but can still be drawn against one another. --Dweller (talk) 18:24, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Total Recall (2012 Film)

In the movie, before Colin Farrel's original identity got erased, did Colin Farrel honestly choose to be on the Resistance Side or did Colin pretend to be a Friend on the Resistance Side?(76.20.90.53 (talk) 16:42, 17 October 2012 (UTC)).

It looks like nobody here knows. Sorry. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 07:04, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

In the original, Arnie intentionally had the "memory cap" put in place so he could infiltrate the rebels, with the idea of being able to destroy them once his original memories returned. I don't know if the remake follows the same formula. StuRat (talk) 07:18, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

I don't remember Arnie's evil boss's name. What was the point of Arnie's evil boss sending Arnie to Earth for a Few Weeks? Why didn't Arnie immediately infiltrate the rebels? Since Arnie's evil boss sent Arnie to Earth along with Memory Loss, when was Arnie's evil boss going to bring Arnie back to Mars? Was Arnie's evil boss originally planning to send the Man with Suitcase & Double Agent Taxi Driver to Arnie's fake address on Earth?(73.48.225.235 (talk) 17:47, 13 June 2014 (UTC)).

October 18

Is there a 'Nipplegate' in a motion picture?

Is there any documented case of a 'Nipplegate' in film history - in the respect that a naked nipple of the female leading role is clearly visible, but that was not intentional, neither by the scriptwriter, nor the director, nor the actress herself, nor the cutter, but merely just happened because nobody was taking care? --KnightMove (talk) 08:00, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

I can't see any way that we could know what was "intentional". These things aren't scripted, and it's really no big deal.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:44, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

I feel you might be trying to make a mountain out of a proverbial molehill......... ;-) gazhiley 09:55, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

It's pretty clearly unintentional if it happens on TV. There was something like this (not a nipple) on Three's Company. SeeThree's_Company#Syndication. Staecker (talk) 11:43, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Scrotumgate eh? There is no shortage of nipples on TV in the UK. Scrota less so.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 12:36, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

For a somewhat reasonable person, a nipple in a movie is no big deal, but not all persons on this planet are reasonable. It does make some major differences whether a nipple is seen in a movie or not, and all cases I know were of course intentional. I'd like to know if there exist any exceptions. Live Nipplegates on TV are not my concern. --KnightMove (talk) 12:43, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Films are generally planned down to the split second, and have been since well before the end of the Hays Code era. Before then, an actress wouldn't have been dressed in an outfit that could conceivably produce a nip slip. Nowadays every frame of every release is repeatedly scrutinized before the film goes out. (That doesn't mean that every mistake is fixed: a lot is allowed to pass. But a nip slip would not be.)--NellieBlyMobile (talk) 02:01, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

...in America (and other cautious markets). It's worth observing that nipples are OK in some places. And of course, as already noted, some scenes demand nipples for historical or contextual accuracy. HiLo48 (talk) 02:17, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Into the Blue (2005 film), supposedly. Zoonoses (talk) 05:33, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Excellent, Zoonoses, thanks! I'll be grateful for other examples (this one does maybe not bear examination). --KnightMove (talk) 14:18, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

The Rocky Horror Picture Show, during a song in a swimming pool with everybody in corsets, Nell Campbells character has a brief slip--90.204.111.253 (talk) 16:23, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

The character's nipple is also visible shortly before this scene, where she is wearing pajamas that have a strategic tear in them. According to Richard O'Brien's commentary on the 25th anniversary DVD, Nell rehearsed the 'Nip Slip', being the sort of person who enjoys exhibition.Helene O'Troy - Et In Arcadia Ego Sum (talk) 18:10, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Yes, that occurred to me, and I was going to mention it yesterday, it being perhaps my brother-in-law's favorite movie bit, but it's quite obvious it's intentional.

We should have an article called Favorite Movies of Brothers-in-Law of Anonymous People on the Internet. Failing that, maybe a good name for for a comic novel. Well, if Portuguese Irregular Verbs and The Finer Points of Sausage Dogs and A Short History of Tractors in Ukrainian can crack it, why not ... -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 04:30, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Since the film was originally rated R in the United States, partial nudity, intended or otherwise, wouldn't have been a big deal. Heck, she could have gone full-on topless and it wouldn't have changed anything. --McDoobAU93 04:31, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Does anyone else find themselves thinking of Cripplegate when the word "Nipplegate is mentioned? -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 04:39, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

The term "cripplegate" makes me imagine clips showing Paul Ryan pushing old ladies off cliffs. Had never heard of the town by that name.μηδείς (talk) 19:00, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

The intermediate catalyst for my thoughts being nipple cripple. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 00:01, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Are the individual members of Girls Generation making lots of money?

Girls Generation is clearly a pop machine that is making just obscene amounts of cash in all different economic areas, but I am curious to hear how much money is trickling down into the hands of the nine individual girls after all the suits get their cuts? There must be an awful, awful lot of slices in that pie... Are the ladies becoming wealthy? or just famous? The Masked Booby (talk) 08:43, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

"million dollar salaries" according to article in 10/8 New Yorker. Pepso2 (talk) 14:09, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Anna Nicole Smith's relationship with her maternal half-brothers

Need some info for essay. Did Anna Nicole Smith keep in touch with her maternal half-brothers until her death? Or was she long estranged from them, by the time she died? 98.234.170.206 (talk) 09:12, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Silly Song

Hi! I was wondering if there was any way to locate the words to a song to which I know the first verse but not the title. Thanks,FatBaker (talk) 22:46, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Try Google. Always works for me. --Theurgist (talk) 22:52, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

That is to say, Google the lyrics you know. Mingmingla (talk) 01:49, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Start your search "Lyrics" then the name of the band, if known, followed by one line of the song. For me (a kareoke addict and thus regular searcher of lyrics for songs so I can sing along in the car) this works and directs me to the exact page normally within the first link or two...gazhiley 10:17, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Or you could type it here and let us have a stab at it. The Google idea is more likely to get the right result though ;-)Alansplodge (talk) 16:54, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

October 19

The Jeffersons

In that show, was there ever a single scene in or at one of George's dry cleaning stores? 67.163.109.173(talk) 01:02, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Yes. I recall a grand opening or an anniversary of the business being celebrated. Nricardo (talk) 02:29, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

I recall an episode where he and his business was being harassed by an all-girl teenage gang. StuRat (talk) 02:53, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Information about KEN GADAFFI GABRIEL

I was trying to find information about KEN GADAFFI GABRIEL. While I am able to get some via google Search, there is no information about him On Wikipedia. He is a great man and visionary leader. A unique person and deserves to be given a look into. His Facebook Page is loaded with so many information that could help you start a page on him. — Precedingunsigned comment added by 175.100.8.119 (talk) 16:45, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

What external sources have commented on this guy? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?}carrots→ 20:43, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Funny, I don't find a Facebook page for him. 69.62.243.48 (talk) 00:35, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

I got one hit on Yippy, which I think is a personal record. Zoonoses (talk) 02:51, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

So, he does not appear to be sufficiently notable to merit a Wikipedia article. StuRat (talk) 03:01, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Facebook is not considered a reliable source.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:25, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

I see[1], at least a few of which might be promising. If the OP were to read WP:BIO, then gather some suitable info and sources that show exactly how the subject fulfils the criteria there and post them at WP:AFC (ignoring Facebook and other user-generated content, as others have said), someone would take a look to see whether an article would be appropriate. - Karenjc 09:13, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

October 20

Name of actress

File:Charade 1963 Audrey Hepburn and unknown.jpg

Audrey Hepburn and ??

What is the name of the other actress in this photograph besides Audrey Hepburn? Kaldari (talk) 07:47, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Looks like it's Dominique Minot. Kaldari (talk) 08:03, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Is there any non British actor in the Harry Potter films?

Thank you. Iowafromiowa (talk) 19:33, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

It doesn't say so outright, but the strong implication from List of Harry Potter cast members is that it's all about British actors. All of the major roles - except the two mentioned below by Nicknack - have certainly been taken by Brits.

However, all but one of the directors have played cameo roles, and not all of them are British. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 19:46, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Looking at the cast list for Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone at IMDB, I noticeRichard Harris, who was Irish, and Verne Troyer, who is American. --Nicknack009 (talk) 19:49, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you both!. Iowafromiowa (talk) 19:49, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

I was surprised when Gary Oldman appeared in them, since I was absolutely sure he was American. I had never seen him in any movie before that where he used his actual accent. Adam Bishop (talk) 20:33, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

I think that's a variety of British English he speaks in Sid and Nancy. --Jayron32 00:14, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

And Prick Up Your Ears and Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 00:20, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Yes but the key is that I never saw those :) (And TTSS is more recent than Harry Potter.) Adam Bishop (talk) 12:27, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Brendan Gleeson, Fiona Shaw, Geraldine Somerville, and Devon Murray are Irish. Clémence Poésy is French. -- Finlay McWalterჷTalk 01:14, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

And Stanislav Ianevski is Bulgarian. 69.62.243.48 (talk) 03:13, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Evanna Lynch is Irish. Britmax (talk) 13:57, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Canada's most famous and renowned actor?

Thank you. Iowafromiowa (talk) 19:44, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

William Shatner, obviously. --Michig (talk) 20:03, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Christopher Plummer? Adam Bishop (talk) 20:39, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Donald Sutherland, Martin Short, John Candy, Michael J. Fox, Mary Pickford to name a few more. Bielle (talk) 20:41, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Most famous and renowned in her/his era would have to be Mary Pickford, hands down. Clarityfiend (talk) 20:56, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Walter Pidgeon. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 21:33, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Raymond Massey? His brother was Governor-General, after all. 69.62.243.48 (talk) 03:16, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Australia's most famous and renowned actor?

Thank you. Iowafromiowa (talk) 19:45, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Of this or any age? Stage, film, TV, radio? Some are/were huge in one field but nobody much (or nobody at all) in the other genres. Same issues apply to the Canadian question. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 19:50, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, I mean of this age. Living people and of films. Thank you again. Iowafromiowa (talk) 19:52, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

So it's too late to nominate Skippy :-( HiLo48 (talk) 20:11, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

If you want a single name, I doubt there'd be universal agreement. The top few would have to include Geoffrey Rush, Nicole Kidman, Cate Blanchett and Russell Crowe. Guy Pearce and Anthony LaPaglia too, but they've done a lot of TV. Maybe Paul Hogan would be in the mix somewhere, but he's really only famous for one film and its sequel, not for his entire film career, which is pretty abysmal apart from the obvious standout. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 20:00, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Also, List of Australian Academy Award winners and nominees might be of interest. -- Jack of Oz^[Talk] 20:11, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

It's impossible to name the most famous. Dunno how you measure that, and it would depend where and who you asked too. Mel Gibson and Jack Thompson are two more that immediately come to mind. And some might argue for Kylie Minogue, who began her public career acting(?) in Neighbours. HiLo48 (talk) 20:30, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Of course, Mel is only an Australian when it suits us to claim him as such. When he was the darling of the film world, he was a true-blue Aussie boy who was raised here and did his training here and it was only an accident of history that he wasn't born here. Why, he was even given an Order of Australia award (it was an honorary award because of his American citizenship, but that was just a pedantic technicality). But when he descended to the lower depths, he became that despicable American actor. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 21:30, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

And when Russell Crowe does his regular going off the deep end, we like to remind ourselves he was born in New Zealand. If Nicole Kidman ever disgraced herself, we'd be quick to point out she was born in Hawaii. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 21:37, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Hawaii? Where's the proof? —Tamfang (talk) 23:18, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

America's most famous and renowned actor?

Of this age and of the film genre? Thank you. Iowafromiowa (talk) 19:53, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

According to whom? This is really very subjective and not at all answerable as asked. Dismas|^(talk) 20:10, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Britain's most famous and renowned actor?

This is my last question. Of this age and of the film genre. Thank you. Iowafromiowa (talk) 19:56, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

According to whom? This is really very subjective and not at all answerable as asked. Dismas|^(talk) 20:10, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure how you would quantify that. A few suggestions; Ian McKellen, Hugh Grant, Helen Mirren, Maggie Smith, Ben Kingsley,Orlando Bloom, Sean Bean, Helena Bonham Carter and probably many others that I can't think of at the moment.Alansplodge (talk) 20:15, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Exactly. All we can do is throw names up and still never come to a concrete and definitive answer. Dismas|^(talk) 20:18, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

I understand, thank you. Iowafromiowa (talk) 20:21, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

...and Kenneth Branagh and Michael Gambon. Ghmyrtle (talk) 20:23, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Lord Olivier. 69.62.243.48 (talk) 03:18, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

He died and is no longer of "this age" as per q. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 03:41, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

He may be dead, but his films are still being shown regularly on TV and, of course, available through Netflix etc. So I reckon he certainly is "of this age". --TammyMoet (talk) 09:43, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Well, he's one of the immortals so in that sense he's always with us. I watched him in Marathon Man only 2 nights ago- hammy German accent and all. But when we talk of actors, writers, composers etc "of this age", we mean living people. Otherwise Dickens and "Shakespeare" and Beethoven and Tchaikovsky and Dali and Rodin and Michelangelo and zillions of other dead people would figure in lists of artists "of this age". -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk]18:49, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

America's most ... actor? Strange that all those mentioned so far are British. Astronaut (talk) 16:03, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

That's because someone removed a sub-heading here. I've reverted. Ghmyrtle (talk) 16:09, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Hollywood's all time most famous and renowned actor?

Thank you. Iowafromiowa (talk) 20:09, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

According to whom? This is really very subjective and not at all answerable as asked. Dismas|^(talk) 20:10, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

A starting point might be AFI's 100 Years...100 Stars. Ghmyrtle (talk) 20:25, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

The question is in concept answerable as asked, since I read it to be a request for sourced information (a survey or whatever). The problem is that it's difficult to compare fame over time; the number of people in the world, and the number who watch Hollywood movies, changes over time, and it's hard to make noncontemporaneous comparisons of fame even if populations stay static. A second problem is what the question means: If one actor is better known worldwide, but a second actor has a bigger reputation in Hollywood itself (e.g., because he's more successful in the U.S. market), who wins? But perhaps there is information available based on such things as who has been seen by more people in his or her movies. Inflation-adjusted information on payment per picture might also be relevant. John M Baker (talk) 20:07, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

name of an Italian 1970s timetravel film?

I saw it on tv as a kid, here in Aus - it had been dubbed, not that I knew about dubbing back then. It seemed to me then to have a dark tone and a claustrophobic feel, likely a result of the very low budget. The time travel device is big, in a chamber - our heroes enter it and travel to the far future, manifesting as people standing on v tall platforms in darkness - they have godlike and inimical powers and do something to screw everything up for the protags. All goes ill for them, as I remember - the film ends with them outside of time, in an inchoate space, never to return to reality...

Can anyone go back or forward in time to help me?

THanks Adambrowne666 (talk) 23:31, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Ah, Adambrowne666, it's actually not an Italian film at all, as you might have discovered with the briefest google search - in fact, it's Journey to the Center of Time, made in the US in 1967.Adambrowne666 (talk) 23:41, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks - question answered - sorry to have wasted everyone's time! Adambrowne666 (talk) 23:41, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

What made you think Italian? —Tamfang (talk) 04:22, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Good question - I got that impression when I last saw it over 30 years ago - did it look dubbed? Dunno. Maybe I conflated it with something else? Am going to get hold of a copy and then maybe I can let you know. Adambrowne666 (talk)

It looks cheap. No Italian connection that I noticed. None of the main actors had an accent. (Hah! How did I miss Lyle Waggoner as an Alien?)Clarityfiend (talk) 09:46, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

October 21

Holly Earl's double

Watching The Doctor, the Widow and the Wardrobe I feel sure I've seen Holly Earl before, but no — unless we count a very small part at age 7. So, she must strongly resemble someone else (besides her sister Elizabeth, whom I haven't seen in anything either). Got any ideas who? —Tamfang (talk) 04:22, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

She's got a little bit of a Michelle Trachtenberg thing going on. Maybe her? --Jayron32 04:57, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Hm, no, I'm a Buffy fan so I'd notice ... —Tamfang (talk) 05:02, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Maybe you're thinking of Miley Cyrus or Sasha Pieterse Google search link for Sasha. Dismas|^(talk) 05:22, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Haven't seen either of them. Oh well, knew it was a long shot! —Tamfang (talk) 05:02, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

MODOK

I just finished reading a thick omnibus of Marvel comics. There is this particular story on MODOK. When asked what it means, he says it means Mobile Organism Designed Only for Killing. But the Wikipedia MODOK page says Mental Organism Designed Only for Killing. I changed it, but it keeps getting reverted. So, Mobile or Mental? Bonkers The Clown (talk) 05:58, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

This says "mental": http://www.comicvine.com/modok/29-3709/. However, I get 29,700 Google hits for "Mobile Organism Designed Only for Killing" versus 53,000 Ghits for "Mental Organism Designed Only for Killing". This suggests that both are used. This wouldn't be the first acronym to have a dual meaning. (ZIP code can mean Zone Improvement Plan or Program.) StuRat (talk) 16:21, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Might not even be the first time Marvel Comics changed its mind about the meaning of an acronym! —Tamfang (talk) 05:03, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Yea i know. Just like SHIELDs meaning. So... Both should be included in the main? Bonkers The Clown (talk) 05:28, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

The comics style guide suggests including both if they are indeed alternate names. It's good that you've already started a discussion about this on the article's talk page. Regards, Orange Suede Sofa (talk) 05:40, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Haiku in "The Last Samurai"

In the course of the narrative of the film The Last Samurai the samurai lord Katsumoto (played by Ken Watanabe) struggles to compose a haiku about flowers. He completes it literally with his dying breath, uttering the phrase "they are all perfect". I want to know the entire poem but I don't have access to a copy of the film, or the time to watch a whole movie just to catch a few words. Roger (talk) 13:05, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

From http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/The_Last_Samurai I can combine two quotes:

The perfect blossom is a rare thing. 
You could spend your life looking for one, 
and it would not be a wasted life.
Perfect.  They... are all... perfect.

Is that a proper Haiku ? StuRat (talk) 16:27, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Not a haiku at all, it's far too long - I obviously misremembered. I wonder if it would have the right prosody in Japanese to even be a proper poem. Roger (talk) 20:11, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Invaders from Saturn

This is a longshot, but does anyone know what film I'm vaguely recalling from when I was a little kid? I saw it on TV sometime around 1960, so it could have been from any time in the 1950s. A spaceship arrives from Saturn -- I think it was saucer-shaped, and it was very large. The army is waiting for it with rifles ready. A long staircase comes down from the ship, and an alien shaped like a person, dressed in what looks like medieval armor, starts to walk down the stairs. A nervous army rifleman shoots the alien, and he comes tumbling down the stairs. That's all I can remember. Duoduoduo (talk) 15:12, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

The Day the Earth Stood Still, although the origin isn't listed as being Saturn, to my knowledge. Also, you've conflated the alien robot (Gort) which serves as a bodyguard and looks like he is wearing armor, with the human-looking alien (Klaatu) who is shot. (At first, Klaatu wears a helmet that makes him look like a smaller version of Gort.) This is a classic sci-fi film in that it portrays the aliens as benevolent and us as evil, or at least prone to panic, the reverse of the typical portrayal. StuRat (talk) 16:07, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

That's the one. And please watch the original 1951 movie, monochrome and all. The 2008 remake ... the less said, the better. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 18:39, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

And, if you like your aliens evil, then my fave is To Serve Man (The Twilight Zone). It even made it into a Simpsons parody. StuRat (talk) 21:50, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Nope, that's not the one. I'm familiar with that one, and like it. Duoduoduo (talk) 20:58, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Maybe Earth vs. the Flying Saucers? Saucers and Earthlings shooting at clunky armored beings, but still no Saturn, stairs or tumbling down thereof. Clarityfiend (talk) 21:51, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Worf in Star Trek: The Next Generation

What is the significance of the diagonal silver coloured sash that Worf wears? Kittybrewster ☎ 15:46, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

It's a Klingon warrior's sash. See http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Baldric. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 16:03, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Agreed. It's significance is that it shows he retains his traditional Klingon identity and values. The conflict between those and his Federation identify and values is featured in several episodes of TNG, such as Reunion. StuRat (talk) 16:04, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Memory Alpha has the answer: "Worf was permitted a variation from the Starfleet uniform dress code, and wore a Klingon warrior's sash, sometimes called a baldric by Humans, over his regular duty uniform." We also have a Baldric article that mentions it. - Cucumber Mike (talk) 16:09, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Are any other Klingon characters shown walking around with such sashes? 109.99.71.97 (talk) 22:02, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

The Memory Alpha article listed above contains a list of Klingons who have been seen wearing baldrics. 69.62.243.48 (talk) 22:20, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

It is a good day to make a fashion statement. Clarityfiend (talk) 02:20, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

I am not sure if that's laugh-out-loud funny, or just plain racist. μηδείς (talk) 02:50, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

It's funny. Klingons have a motto about it being "a good day to die", so this plays on it. I don't see any racism in it (especially as there is not actually any such race as Klingons). ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 17:04, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

I got the joke, Bugs. Apparently you didn't get mine. Next we'll be hearing from the Klingon Anti-Defamation League. μηδείς (talk) 17:51, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

OK, we're good. :) ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 19:50, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

I got Clarityfiend's joke, but not your reply. Care to explain it, Medeis ? StuRat (talk) 22:51, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

It was indeed a funny comment, but my feigned concern that I might should feel guilty for enjoying the possible racist content showed a humorous (I thought) juxtaposition between real-world preoccupations and utter unreality. μηδείς (talk) 18:57, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Sometimes, something we find funny is funny only to ourselves. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 02:33, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

If you are implying that you took my concern for possible anti-Klingitism so seriously you couldn't see the joke, then yes, that is very, very funny--or hugely flattering to me. μηδείς (talk) 03:09, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

I wasn't sure if you meant it or not. Ya never know. There was someone here recently who accused English-speakers who make fun of other English-speakers' ways of saying things as "racists". It can be hard to know when such an accusation is serious or not. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 04:09, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

There's only one way to settle this: bat'leths at dawn. Clarityfiend (talk) 07:15, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank God we have a rule that helps us manage when we're uncertain: Assume Good Faith. It even applies in many cases when we're certain. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 02:55, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Huuh? Clarityfiend (talk) 04:49, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Where to view the matches of the 2010 FIFA World Cup?

Is there any website or torrent perhaps that contains the matches from the 2010 FIFA World Cup. For example, if one wanted to relive these moments, which I'm sure many people do. Nicholasprado (talk) 21:47, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

I think you would have to buy the DVD [2]. --Viennese Waltz 12:12, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

October 22

Film: The Man Who Barked Like a Dog

I have been unable to find any information about the film in the headline above.

I saw it only once, on late night television on a Michigan station in the 1960's. (It could possibly have been a British film.) It had a moral message and a protagonist similar to those in Dicken's "A Christmas Carol."

Briefly, a wealthy, insensitive and abusive businessman miraculously is turned into a dog, retaining his human mental capacity and memory, and is faced with the difficulty of survival as a dog. Ironically, he is able to accomplish this by befriending a young boy to whom he had been unkind before his transformation, and who, of course, sees him only as a stray dog, and, soon, his dog. When, near the end of the film, unknown to the child, the man is restored to his human form - and the dog disappears, the boy is brokenhearted. The conclusion is a very touching scene in which the man, whom the boy knew only as an antagonist, attempts to form a relationship with him without telling him the unbelievable truth, and eventually simulates a game they used to play, known only to the two of them - by getting on all fours, and finding, picking up with his mouth, and dropping at the boy's feet, the very twig that the boy used to throw for him to retrieve. The boy, suddenly enlightened, tearfully exclaims, "You're...my... dog!"

The man was played by an actor I can best describe as being reminiscent of Peter Ustinov. The setting, as I recall it, was an industrial city, possible in the early twentieth century.

No research I have attempted has yielded any information to indicate that this film ever existed, and I can't understand how such a well realized and entertaining film could have disappeared without leaving a trace. Can Wikipedia solve the mystery? Curious in NYC (talk)

The Man Who Wagged His Tail. --Viennese Waltz 12:07, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Better known (in English) as "An Angel Passed Over Brooklyn".--Shantavira|^{feed me} 12:56, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

And it really was Peter Ustinov! Alansplodge (talk) 01:49, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Please tell me more, Alansplodge!Curious in NYC (talk) 07:26, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

He just means that the actor in the film who you remembered as being "reminiscent of Peter Ustinov" really was Peter Ustinov – he starred in the film. --Viennese Waltz 07:56, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Sharpe DVD Box Set Collection - Missing Battle Map

I bought the Sharpe 16 DVD Box Set Collection (second-hand) as a present for someone but the 19th Century Battle Map wasn't with it. Does anyone knoe where can I get a copy of it ? --90.152.3.186 (talk) 12:52, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

It's very unfortunate. This is easy for me to say, but you should probably have asked the seller whether the box was complete before you bought it. There are a number of copies for sale on eBay with the map included, but I can't imagine anyone would want to sell you the map on its own as that would mean another incomplete copy of the box. Good luck. --Viennese Waltz 13:40, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Indeed, it might be easier to return your purchase and claim a refund, and then buy the complete item elsewhere.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 15:35, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Although the chances of the seller agreeing to a refund are I would say remote. --Viennese Waltz 15:46, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

I got it from I store called Cash Converters, I that helps. 90.152.3.186 (talk) 11:05, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

You may have some luck asking if they will exchange it for another copy in-store that has the map. 209.131.76.183 (talk) 19:06, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

I think that that was they only copy that they had in the store. 90.152.3.186 (talk) 11:34, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Cash Converters (for those not familiar with them) is a chain of second-hand stores who buy items from walk-in customers and then resells them, as well as lending money, a type of Pawnshop, in fact. The item will therefore almost certainly have been bought by them in its map-less state, and would implicitly have been sold on an "as-seen" basis, so caveat emptor applies. It might even have been priced less than if it had been complete, although the deficiency might not have been noticed. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 84.21.143.150 (talk) 13:06, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

song on the radio today

I was shopping tonight and heard a song that I liked. The rest of the music playing in the shop was certainly current charting stuff, so I'll assume the one I'm trying to find is too. I've tried the BBC's top 40 list and couldn't find it, and I tried searching for the small part of the chorus that I think I heard right (but I'm not sure if I did). The singer is male, it has a faintly pop vibe, the intro starts with lovely keyboard melodies, and I think part of the chorus is something like, "come back to me naked". (I don't know if the word was actually naked, I was trying to decipher it at the time but couldn't). Any ideas? 92.13.73.2 (talk) 20:30, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Stab in the dark: Somebody That I Used To Know? --Jayron32 22:45, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Nope. Know that one! The one I'm thinking of is more poppy. I'm also beginning to wonder if the lyrics were more like, "I want you to come here naked". Of course I'm leading everyone badly astray if the word wasn't really naked. 92.13.73.2 (talk) 07:01, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Could it be Come Back to Me by David Cook? _{Hisham1987 (talk) 21:08, 23 October 2012 (UTC)}

October 23

LOTR questions: Last sentence in Theoden's speech

These are crossover questions of entertainment and language - I decided to post them here.

Undoubtedly the most famous and popular scene in the Lord of the Rings film trilogy is the Rohirrim charge at Minas Tirith. King Theoden delivers his eve-of-battle speech, ending in the final sentence "Ride to/for (?) ruin and the world's ending!"... HD Video.

1. Does he say "Ride to ruin..." or "Ride for ruin..." - I really can't decide. The creator of the subtitles heard the latter version, but the former has more supporters on the web.
2. Does this make a difference? Are both versions correct English, and if so, is there a divergence in meaning?
3. AFAICS "... and the world's ending." can be interpreted in two completely different ways: "... and the world is ending." or "... and the ending of the world." I presume the latter is the right interpretation (is it?), but would the former be at least correct English and make sense?
4. I don't understand the point in proclaiming the end of the world... they want to raze the evil, not the world as a whole?! So why?

--KnightMove (talk) 20:28, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Subtitles on movie DVDs are generated from a published script whenever possible. Therefore, I would assume he actually says "for" rather than "to", matching the script. I have noticed subtle differences in the text of the subtitles when the actual dialog was inprovised or embellished when filming. I agree that "the world's ending" means "...the ending of the world" in this case. While the contraction "world's" (meaning "world is") is also correct in English, it would make more sense if it came at the beginning of the sentence or as a sentence by itself. Thomprod (talk) 20:47, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Tolkien would not have put a contracted present progressive verb in the mouth of an Anglo-Saxon king making a formal pronouncement. Next we'd have Smaug tell Bilbo "I'ma kill all o' yiz. μηδείς (talk) 20:56, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Your joke imitates some American underclass slang, doesn't it? --KnightMove (talk) 05:25, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

I wouldn't characterize it in terms of "underclass", but essentially, yes. Literally, "I am going to kill all of you (pl)." "I'ma" (pronounced /ama/) is typical of black speech, "yiz" is typical of NE white working class speech. μηδείς (talk) 16:12, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

It's worth recalling that in the actual book, these words (with "to" rather than "for") are not spoken by Theoden but are cried out to the Rohirrim by Eomer, in his wrath and despair after the death of Theoden and (he thinks) Eowyn. It's not surprising that in his fey mood Eomer should expect their fate to be ruin and "the world's ending". I haven't seen the films, but this appears to be one of the, perhaps many, instances of Jackson's making senseless changes. Deor (talk) 21:06, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Yo Bard, I'm real happy for you and I'mma let you finish, but Earendeil slaying Ancalagon was the one of the best dragon-slayings of all time. OF ALL TIME! Adam Bishop (talk) 21:23, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

LOL. Imagine trying to explain that last inside joke to a Martian reading the Ref Desk. Hehehe. μηδείς (talk) 21:26, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

I've seen uncounted DVDs in which it was clear that the subtitlers did not have access to the script, so I guess it's not often possible. —Tamfang (talk) 05:45, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Most famous and popular? I barely remember this scene... Dismas|^(talk) 02:41, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

You remain free to that, but the bare number of Youtube videos hardly leaves any doubt. --KnightMove (talk) 05:09, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Okay but I would have put my money on A) Gollum's death scene or B) Gandalf riding down and saving the day at the attack on Helm's Deep. Dismas|^(talk) 16:24, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

See, and I would have put money on the fact that the "YOU SHALL NOT PASS" scene of Gandalf vs. the Balrog would have been the most famous, well known, and cited passage from the trilogy. --Jayron32 17:42, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Whereupon the Balrog, truly pissed at having to repeat a grade, got even. Clarityfiend (talk) 06:50, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

October 24

glitch, mistake, or something else?

I'm interested in buying something from The Price Is Right online store. When I logged in, I clicked on the store. There I tried to buy an item. I was shown a pop-up from another TPIR store. The pop-up told me "access denied" and indicated I wasn't authorized to view the site. I tried contacting the store a few times about this matter, to no avail. Can something be done to fix the problem?142.255.103.121 (talk) 05:55, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Sounds like the other TPIR site might be attempting to highjack buyers from the legit site. If so, I certainly wouldn't give them my credit card number. StuRat (talk) 00:58, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

And what is Timothy Bradley doing?

Despite controversially beating Manny Pacquiao last June, it appears that Timothy Bradley's career has gone nowhere while Pacquiao is still going from strength to strength, running for re-election as a congressman next year and having a 4th fight with Juan Manuel Marquez in December. I'm going to ask two questions:

1. Why does it appear that Bradley's career has not gotten any boost in either respect or popularity despite beating Pacquiao? It appears that, after the fight, rather than become a respected boxer and being proclaimed the "next big thing in boxing", he actually lost respect and hasn't been high profile since. It appears that the fight actually harmed his career rather than helped. is this because of the controversial result or is Bradley just really unpopular?

2. What are his plans in the short-term? I knew he wanted a rematch with Pacquiao (or maybe the other way around), but now that that has fallen through, what are his plans? What will be his next fight? And how is his boxing career going? I could read his article, but I'm allergic to semi-protected articles, and I could do a search. I fear that almost all hits will be about Pacquiao. Besides, I'm not even sure that the article will be up-to-date.

Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 11:34, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

identifying tune

could someone tell me what this classical string piece is called. it goes like this:

dut-da dut-da dut-da dut-da daba-daba-daba-daba-daba
dut-da dut-da dut-da dut-da daba-daba-daba-daba-daba....

it's very famous but I forgot what it was and by whom Asmrulz (talk) 18:12, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
Got it, it's from the Four Seasons, Winter. The part I meant is at 34:00 in the above video. Nevermind:) Asmrulz (talk) 18:47, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

First video game with a level editor?

Hello, what was the first video game with a built-in level editor? The C64 version of Hungry Horace (1983)? Maybe someone knows at least some games that came out before 1983. --KaterBegemot (talk) 22:44, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Lode Runner (also 1983) is a well-known possibility, and is often cited as "one of the first" games to include a level editor. The article for Maze War mentions a level editor which appears to have been developed in the mid-1970s but doesn't seem to have been included as a commercial package. --Canley (talk) 01:32, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

There's also the genre of "creator" games like Pinball Construction Set, ALSO from 1983, where the "editor" function is integral to the game: you create the pinball game and then you play it. 1983 seems to have been a banner year for games which introduced the idea of user-created content. Many earlier games, like the Roguelike games, created "levels" on the fly, and had no pre-generated content. Each play though was unique, but that's because the game made levels on demand, rather than using predefined maps, though text games and other games with predefined maps could be hacked and modded that way. The influence of Pinball Construction Set cannot be underestimated: Will Wright (game designer), creator of SimCity cites it as a major influence. Other such games were created in the series, like Adventure Construction Set, Shoot'Em-Up Construction Kit, etc. The first game I remember playing with a level editor was Excitebike on the NES, but that came out in 1985 (1984 in Japan). Several games released by Famicom/NES during that time period also had level editors, including Wrecking Crew (video game). I can't remember any Atari 2600 games with level editors, nor PC games which predate 1983. The Atari 2600 had a cartridge called BASIC Programming which was so limited, you couldn't create a program that did anything more complicated than simple math problems or printing a few lines of text. Many early golfing games allowed rudimentary golf course design, but AFAIK, any such games post-date the mid 1980s. For example, I remember playing Leaderboard (1986), which allowed the player to design their own course by choosing which 18 holes (of the 4 courses included in the game) and in what order they would be played. For sports games, NFL Challenge (1985) was one of my early favorites, given that it was heavily and easily moddable: all of the game data was stored in text files that could be edited with a simple text editor: you could create leagues, teams, and players at will. Very cool if that's your thing; all sports games with a "dynasty mode" basically descend directly from NFL Challenge. Still not earlier than 1983, tho. 1983 may have been the genesis of games which allowed user-generated content, as I can't find much earlier. --Jayron32 02:09, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Found one more, also from 1983: Wizard (1983 video game) had a level editor. --Jayron32 02:13, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Pinball Construction Set was actually first released by Budge's own company in 1982. EA picked it up in 1983 and so that's why all the release dates you typically see state 1983. Check out the date on this pre-EA box. Regards, Orange Suede Sofa (talk) 03:10, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

October 25

How would the Styles of the other districts of Seoul sound different & compare to Gangnam Style?

So, Gangnam Style was named after a district in Seoul. By the way, what dong of Gangnam-gu does Gangnam Style most identify to?

Moreover:

1. What song(s)/style(s) would best be considered "Dobong Style?"
2. What song(s)/style(s) would best be considered "Dongdaemun Style?"
3. What song(s)/style(s) would best be considered "Dongjak Style?"
4. What song(s)/style(s) would best be considered "Eunpyeong Style?"
5. What song(s)/style(s) would best be considered "Gangbuk Style?"
6. What song(s)/style(s) would best be considered "Gangdong Style?"
7. What song(s)/style(s) would best be considered "Gangseo Style?"
8. What song(s)/style(s) would best be considered "Geumcheon Style?"
9. What song(s)/style(s) would best be considered "Guro Style?"
10. What song(s)/style(s) would best be considered "Gwanak Style?"
11. What song(s)/style(s) would best be considered "Gwangjin Style?"
12. What song(s)/style(s) would best be considered "Jongno Style?"
13. What song(s)/style(s) would best be considered "Jung Style?"
14. What song(s)/style(s) would best be considered "Jungnang Style?"
15. What song(s)/style(s) would best be considered "Mapo Style?"
16. What song(s)/style(s) would best be considered "Nowon Style?"
17. What song(s)/style(s) would best be considered "Seocho Style?"
18. What song(s)/style(s) would best be considered "Seodaemun Style?"
19. What song(s)/style(s) would best be considered "Seongbuk Style?"
20. What song(s)/style(s) would best be considered "Seongdong Style?"
21. What song(s)/style(s) would best be considered "Songpa Style?"
22. What song(s)/style(s) would best be considered "Yangcheon Style?"
23. What song(s)/style(s) would best be considered "Yeongdeungpo Style?"
24. What song(s)/style(s) would best be considered "Yongsan Style?"

There has got to be styles for each of the other 24 wards of Seoul, so I hope to get acquainted with every single one of them sometime. Thanks. --70.179.167.78 (talk) 06:45, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

PS: It would probably help to bring over some native Koreans to help answer the question. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.179.167.78 (talk) 07:21, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Since this appears to be a borderline troll question, I'll just ask you to google the song name, and read a few of the reviews... since it seems to be poking fun at the "upper-east side" version of Seoul. Shadowjams (talk) 08:24, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

I don't know how you think it's like that. But Gangnam might be the "lower east side" as you'd see on a map in the Gangnam-gu article. I don't know how a search on Gangnam Style would help me find which song types/styles would best match the other districts of Seoul. --70.179.167.78 (talk) 08:26, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

{{cn}} was the tag you wanted.... but please... don't ever edit my, or anyone else's signed comments. Shadowjams (talk) 08:33, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

The OP has (at best) somewhat misunderstood the entire premise of the song. It is not intended to represent a musical style pertaining to the District in question, it is satirising the behavior (or "style") of (some of) the comparatively wealthy inhabitants of the District. We cannot know what songs satirising the behavioral styles of those other Districts will sound like until Psy or someone else writes them - musically, they may well be totally different. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 84.21.143.150 (talk) 13:16, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Name of Movie

So there was this movie our professor was telling us about, only that he'd forgotten the name of the film, but he described the plot to us. In it, there's this one scene where the wife's cooking, and the husband comes up from behind and grabs her and the wife pours hot oil over him, and the son of the couple sees that and comes and shoots the wife. The dad takes the blame for the shooting, but makes the son promise that he'll take revenge when he grows up. Anyone know which movie this might be? thanks in advance. :) 106.213.54.199 (talk) 19:25, 25 October 2012 (UTC)