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Welcome to my discussion page. I prefer having all the conversations on the same place, so I mostly answer here. If you decide to send me a mail, please remind me here to check my mailbox, just in case. -- Tone.
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"Productive energy"?

Enough of this on my talkpage, please. --Tone 07:32, 13 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

It seems quite unproductive trying to remind people that ITN is for posting articles with new developments, such as a sporting championship watched by millions, even if it doesn't personally relate to them. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:22, 10 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think you'll reach a consensus there, really. Too many opinions are rock solid. --Tone 21:27, 10 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
And against the purpose, criteria, and spirit of ITN. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:30, 10 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Well, what can I say ... There are other ways to get things on Main page, such as DYK and FA ;) --Tone 21:32, 10 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I was holding out hope that an uninvolved admin might see all of the "parochial" and "this is not American Wikipedia" comments and recognize that this is worth posting in spite of those oppositions. I can go forward with DYK, but it doesn't address the issue that the college basketball and college football championships keep getting knee jerk rejections without acknowledging their significance. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:40, 10 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
That is true, but admins are bound to follow community consensus, and even today that's against posting such items. But as you keep telling us all, consensus can change, so perhaps next time there's a mass shooting in the US or next time there's a college sport playoff or next time there's a college sports coach which needs posting at ITN, try, try again. Don't be surprised if consensus doesn't change in the short term mind you. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:12, 10 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Tone, for what it's worth, I understand why you thought you should close the discussion of mainpaging the college football playoff, but I agree with Muboshgu that it was premature to do so. Actually, by my count, there were 12 editors who had commented in support of posting (whether or not they led off with a bolded "Support") and 9 who had opposed. If the call had to be made right then, there was a majority for posting (I don't think consensus on ITN requires a massive supermajority a la RfA). While a handful of editors were indeed repeating themselves unproductively, new points were still being made, and the discussion had been open for a shorter period of time than many other ITN discussions.

I attempted this morning to revive the discussion post your close, but was reverted, and I didn't have the time or patience to seek a more formal reopening—partly because the time had probably passed; I was offline yesterday during the bulk of the discussion); and partly because you didn't seem to be online to consult with; and partly because I was busy in the offline world today, and partly because there's a certain editor I am tired of dealing with. But if it matters, I don't think the discussion should have been closed when it was, and I do think the item should ultimately have been posted. Best regards, Newyorkbrad (talk) 02:52, 12 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Ironically it transpires that this "story" wasn't given the exposure it needed to debunk the myth that it's in some way "as notable as the Superbowl". It transpires that the four teams participating in this three-match tournament are selected by committee. Mainly, it appears, this is all about sponsorship, cash, bidding to host the game. The winners go on to .... nothing. None of this was made plain in the article and all of the parochial support came from "in universe". It's actually a damned good job some of us debated the point to make sure this kind of fake gala wasn't posted. As for Brad being "tired of dealing with" me, he'll need to get used to that if he continues to post items against consensus, post comments against template instructions, and generally disrupt Wikipedia. Perhaps that's what we expect from Arbcom members these days, a complete detachment from how Wikipedia works for editors, how consensus is determined (vote counting?!) etc. No surprises though. We'll keep fighting against this approach as it's unhealthy for the project. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:24, 12 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
That's absurd on every level. Your description of U.S. college athletics is largely ill-informed (well, the part about sponsorships and cash is sadly on-target, but that is true of U.S. professional athletics as well, as well as athletics in quite a number of other countries). The winning college football team doesn't "go on to" anything, but then again, what does the winning Super Bowl or FA Cup or Boat Race or [insert sporting event of choice] team go on to, either? I will again disregard the personal comments about myself, except to reiterate that your constant references to unrelated other roles I may have on the project are not appropriate. Newyorkbrad (talk) 22:35, 12 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Brad, your input is always valuable. It's just a shame you seem so out of touch with community consensus and that you so often act against it. Let's sincerely hope you don't let that behavioural issue taint your time at Arbcom. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:45, 12 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Regarding the above, I was actually interested in your (Tone's) thoughts about what I posted, not so much someone else's ... and I'd still be interested. But I guess we can just file it under old news if you prefer to. Regards, Newyorkbrad (talk) 19:26, 13 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding the above, Brad has a tendency to ignore regular editing patterns, perhaps he believes he's above it all, and regularly perpetuates archived discussions. That a member of Arbcom decides to ignore such commonplace Wikipedia norms is really quite shocking. Certainly I'll be checking on this misbehaviour (along with the rest of the rogue admin behaviour) as his tenure continues. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:53, 13 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
As for closing that nomination, I stand by my call that it was a clear case of no consensus. --Tone 10:19, 14 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Batch deletions

I went ahead and carried out the deletions you prescribed in your close of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Olympians and cyclists and weightlifters at World Championships. Since you asked about batch deletion, Twinkle has a function that does just that. It's quite useful. :) Regards, – Juliancolton | Talk 03:45, 16 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, thanks! --Tone 08:11, 16 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Why the page The Grim Adventures of the Kids Next Door was be eliminated?

This page already in the Portuguese and Spanish versions of Wikipedia and I don't believe that they viole the rules and terms of the site!

Saviochristi (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 11:22, 27 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

If I see correctly, this page was delted back in 2008 for not being notable. The notability guidelines must be met. Of course, if there's been new development in the last 9 years, feel free to bring it forward. --Tone 11:45, 27 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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FAC

I'd already closed the FAC by the time you had replied to me. I think there were a few too many issues to keep this open. However, if you can address the issues out of FAC and make sure that Victoria and Syek88 are happy and would not oppose, I can waive the usual two-week wait. For bookkeeping purposes, when you open the new FAC, link this comment by me and also include a diff of the changes made since the end of the FAC, and for the sake of transparency, your notification of Sportomanokin. I'd also recommend notifying those who commented, especially Victoria and Syek, with a neutral notice when you re-open. That should make it run much more quickly and smoothly second time. Sarastro1 (talk) 22:09, 17 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough, thanks :) I'll ping you when ready, depends how much time I have in the following days. --Tone 22:12, 17 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Ping me too. - Dank (push to talk) 22:29, 17 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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eu image slovenia

hey. since you reverted the edit again, i d like to ask you, whats with all the other articles of eu nations where this image is used? i think, either in every article this argument should be taken into account and hence the images been taken out, or in this case also in slovenias article the image can be staying. whats your comment on that?--Joobo (talk) 19:50, 22 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Well, I don't have most of the other articles on my watchlist so I am not paying attention. Besides, it is not particularly relevant that some other articles are using it, it's not a part of a template or something. Every article should be considered separately. A generic image that has something to do with EU does not contribute to the Slovenia article (the same holds for other articles, if the situation wiht the caption is the same). Images that would fit here are perhaps signing of the accession treaty or an image of some EU-related event that actually took place in Slovenia (the 2008 presidency comes to mind). EU leaders in front of a monastery in Lisbon does not tell much. I hope that helps ;) --Tone 19:57, 22 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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BeLight Software

Hello Tone,

Sorry to disturb you with this question. My name is Alex Romanchykov and I work at BeLight Software company as the Product and Marketing manager. We produce software for Mac, Windows and iOS since 2003 (in January, next year, we will celebrate our 15th Anniversary). We are the creators of many popular applications such as Live Home 3D (ex Live Interior 3D), Art Text, Swift Publisher and more. These programs are constantly at the top charts of Mac App Store and Windows Store. Several our applications already reached the mark of 1,000,000 downloads. Some time ago our company page was deleted from Wikipedia (16:07, 28 December 2009 Tone (talk | contribs) deleted page BeLight Software (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/BeLight Software). As I understand, the users and the guy who wrote an article had a vivid discussion which resulted in the page deletion. Eight years passed, the company gained the reputation of a big contributor to a world of applications and yet still not a word about us or our products on Wikipedia. We're in some sort of Limbo here and can not escape from it. Is there a way to whitelist the page? We are ready to provide any necessary updated information and references.

Thanks for your attention.

Kind Regrads, Alex Romanchykov Product and Marketing Manager BeLight Software www.belightsoft.com www.livehome3d.com AlexR10 (talk) 15:12, 4 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Alex, huh, that was back in 2009. Of course, things change in time. Ideally, noone writes article about themselves, since this is a conflict of interests. But if anyone else was to write the article, I do not see any problems, as long as the notability is addressed. I hope that helps. --Tone 15:37, 4 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Tone, thanks a lot! We really appreciate your attention to this matter. Will the company be removed from the list on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Spam/2009_Archive_Dec_1#BeLight_Software_Spam ? We have a feeling that posting any information about us will be a problem if the company is listed there. Regards, Alex 195.138.66.188 (talk) 13:09, 22 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I see. In this case, it is best to ask at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Spam to whitelist the link. Regards, --Tone 13:22, 22 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks again!

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Infobox monastery

Hello, you just closed a discussion with comments which does not seem appropriate. Infobox templates should be viewed on the basis of parameters not on the basis of names. You stated that the religious building and monastery are different hence no concensus. This is against the views expressed by community at WP:INFOCOL and MOS:IB. Kindly clarify the issue. Thanks -- Pankaj Jain Capankajsmilyo (talk · contribs · count) 12:25, 13 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Well, as one thing is a building and the other thing an institution, they do have different parameters, don't they? Or am I missing the point? --Tone 14:30, 13 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Can you please point a few different parameters? Similar ones include location, map_type, coordinates, website, heritage_designation, architect, image, etc. -- Pankaj Jain Capankajsmilyo (talk · contribs · count) 16:09, 13 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Abbot, churces controlled by the monastery, religious order, to name a few. Those cannot be used for a religious building, as they are about the institution. --Tone 19:41, 13 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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THere is an ANI thread "odd discussion an BLP noticeboard" that involves outing issues, I have contacted you as you are the most recently active admin. Tornado chaser (talk) 18:41, 16 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I see there are some people looking into it already, I don't really have much experience in this field :/ --Tone 18:46, 16 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Deleted page: 26 September 2017

I was about to create a page called Tangara School for Girls and received this message.

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If you are creating a new page with different content, please continue. If you are recreating a page similar to the previously deleted page, or are unsure, please first contact the user(s) who performed the action(s) listed below. 

15:25, 12 October 2007 Tone (talk | contribs) deleted page Tangara School for Girls (content was: '{{dated prod|concern = Article asserts nothing. Fails WP:N and WP:ORG|month = October|day = 6|year = 2007|time = 17:08|timestamp = 20071...')

Can you please elaborate? Thank you! Hymnodist.2004 (talk) 10:04, 26 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! I checked the deleted article (10 years ago, ha!), essentially it was deleted because it contained nothing but an infobox. Feel free to start writing a new one :) --Tone 10:39, 26 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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DYK for Slovenian railway referendum, 2017

On 7 November 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Slovenian railway referendum, 2017, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that only 20.5 percent of registered Slovenians turned out to vote in a 2017 railway referendum? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Slovenian railway referendum, 2017. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Slovenian railway referendum, 2017), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Alex Shih (talk) 00:01, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

15,000 scientists give catastrophic warning about the fate of the world

Hi, if I may, for the Template:In the news I would like to suggest this news: [1], [2], it is a very important subject and it would be good if it gains in visibility. Thanks, Drow (talk) 20:33, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, sure, feel free to nominate it at WP:ITNC. There should be an updated article on the topic, not sure which one is the best. Let me know if you need help ;) --Tone 20:43, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
No article on the topic, but thanks anyway :) Drow (talk) 12:22, 16 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Begging for FLC review(s)

Hey Tone, I was wondering if you'd be able to take a look at a couple of open FLC reviews I have? Of course, more than happy to reciprocate if you have anything that needs a review right now? My lists are:

Anything you'd be able to do to even have a look at just one would be much appreciated. Cheers, The Rambling Man (talk) 19:08, 2 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, I'll have a look :) --Tone 00:22, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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DYK for Jernej Šugman

On 10 January 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Jernej Šugman, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Slovenian actor Jernej Šugman starred in Shakespeare's Hamlet twice, first in the titular role and the second time as King Claudius? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Jernej Šugman. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Jernej Šugman), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Alex Shih (talk) 00:02, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Don't be lazy!

Please do not be lazy! Use citeweb or citenews instead of bare URLs. Thanks. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 15:20, 11 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I eventually run a script to convert them to proper template. But I can try when creating new articles ;) --Tone 15:22, 11 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Perfect thank you! Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 15:45, 11 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Trump's shitholes

I was a bit surprised by your speed of response here. A "new account" is no good, but nominations from an IP three minutes later are fine? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 00:11, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I was just thinking whether to use an autoconfirmed protection for ITNC in order to keep the editing above the nominations that will be snow closed anyway. Just noticed another one showed up. Any opinion? --Tone 00:13, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Assuming snow close after only 6 !votes and less than 40 minutes just seems like you wanted it banished as soon as possible. I realise now I should have supported! It was the lead item on BBC News and the first question on tonight's' Any Questions?. People in UK pretty shocked and appalled, on top of the UK visit cancellation, I think (is that all just coincidence)? .... "just sayin'". Martinevans123 (talk) 00:23, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe it was a bad call on my side. Feel free to revert me. At the same time, I deleted another irrelevant nomination, so decide on that one. --Tone 00:25, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I nice bundle. More bother than it's worth, I feel. But I suspect others might question your motivation. Martinevans123 (talk) 00:28, 13 January 2018 (UTC) p.s. perhaps you'd like to consider the dead Moody Blue nomination, before it falls off?[reply]
I answered your request at WP:ITN/C. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:26, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I saw this too late, it got stale. Sorry ... --Tone 19:26, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I'm still pondering over what's stale and what never will be. But fortunately Alex has kindly given us a day's grace. No worries. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:13, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

O'Riordan

So, the bit about her hair is the only thing left uncited in the article. I found this video of her changing hairstyles, but I don't think that's good enough (and it's a little creepy). Should we just take the line about her hair out? Cheers, MAINEiac4434 (talk) 21:56, 15 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, removing info that is difficult to source and is not of top importance to the article is a good idea. --Tone 22:00, 15 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Mårts

Hi, I've noticed you deleted Mårts, can you please read what I said in the talk page? It doesn't really meet the criteria for G6.

But also, as explained in the talk page, if you think Wikipedia would be better off with this page, can you undelete it and then I'll make a redirect to the page mentioned in the talk page and add a section to that page?

Thanks! DrVogel (talk) 17:19, 27 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Good idea, I'll recreate it and make a redirect :) --Tone 17:20, 27 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
all done, thanks! DrVogel (talk) 17:28, 27 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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