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Thanks, I should of use the "move" command for that correction.
Correction
Thanks, I should of use the "move" command for that correction.
I corrected all of the links.
What are you doing?
What are you doing? First, cut-and-paste move is completely disastrous tool (because of the manipluation of page history). Secondly, for instance, there was a successful move request in September 2012. So, if you do not agree with the current title of the article, you should initiate a move request. --Norden1990 (talk) 22:59, 22 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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I created that list in its present complete form on Saint Sava as you can see from the history of that page, and I transferred the same list to relevant pages. Why do you think that page Kingdom of Serbia (medieval) should not have information about its main religious institutions. You have some agenda here, thats clear. Sorabino (talk) 02:45, 4 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
What is my agenda? I do not think that an article on the Serbian state active in the period of 1217–1346 should have such a detailed list about the 1219–1235 ecclessiastical division of the Serbian Orthodox Church. You copy-pasted the exact same list to 5 articles. Leave that information on the relevant pages.--Zoupan03:02, 4 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
You answer clearly shows that you have no idea what are you talking about. Its not just "1219-1235" ! All of those eparhies existed during entire period 1219-1346 and their existence and entire ecclesiastical order of thet time is very relevant for understanding the history of medieval Kingdom of Serbia, that is clear as day, and you are wrong.Sorabino (talk) 03:07, 4 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, you have no idea what you're talking about. By copy-pasting that same information to five independent articles, it is clear that you yourself don't know what that information should signify. very relevant for understanding the history of medieval Kingdom of Serbia, that is clear as day Eh, no? Here, you pasted it into the Reign of Stefan-section. Here, you pasted it in the middle of the Nemanjić dynasty-section. Are you aware of the fact that the eparchy structures of 1219–1235 and, let's say, 1321, were not the same. Should we past bulleted lists of such ecclessiastical overviews/changes/whatever to every "relevant" (meaning, not-so) articles? Please have some common sense.--Zoupan03:21, 4 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Of course that during time new eparchies were created or added to Serbian Archbishopric, church structure was developing, but all of the old eparchies remained functioning during entire time. You are now trying to change the subject here because you do not have arguments for your actions. Sorabino (talk) 03:26, 4 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Summary: You do not have an argument for the inclusion of said list at these broader articles. You are still missing the point.--Zoupan03:45, 4 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Eparchy of Lipljan
Eparchy of Lipljan is a copy of Eparchy of Raška and Prizren. Why create an exact copy instead of adding independent information, if you have such, to the history section? The Eparchy of Lipljan is a defunct (former) eparchy, its jurisdiction part of the Eparchy of Raška and Prizren. The history section at the latter treats the history of the Eparchy of Ras, and Prizren. It would be best to merge these two articles.--Zoupan02:13, 4 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Anyone who is contributing to Wikipedia in good faith would not make those actions you did today regarding page Eparchy of Lipljan]. I created that page today and I am still working on it. And what did you do? Instead of asking me for my intentions with this page, you erased all pictures from the page (and all of them are relevant to history of the eparchy) and then you started the procedure for killing the page! Your agenda is clear as a day! Sorabino (talk) 03:16, 4 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Its not "the exact copy" that is also clear, I am just using the same structure for adding new data - and you are trying to stop me at the very beginning of my work / I started that page today, few hours ago !!! and you are trying to kill it right away, for some reason that is known only to you. Sorabino (talk) 03:30, 4 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I simply wanted to notice you and initiate a discussion. Creating an article and copy-pasting are not the same. I am not trying to stop you. Good luck with your article.--Zoupan03:38, 4 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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I just removed a bunch of prod tags that you placed on redirects. At WP:PROD it says the prod policy does not apply to redirects, so please don't place prod tags on redirects. Instead, please use WP:RFD. Thanks. Calathan (talk) 18:47, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Sorabino, you aren't nominating those for RFD correctly. You are putting the text that is supposed to go onto the RFD page onto the redirects themselves. Please stop what you are doing and re-read WP:RFD#HOWTO. Part 1 of that section is about what you do on the redirect page itself, while part 2 is for the RFD page. Calathan (talk) 21:43, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Casting aspersions
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You notified me in this (diff) comment of yours which violates several principles passed by the Arbitration Committee and at least one wikipedia guideline (WP:TPG). Concerns about another editors' conduct, if they cannot be resolved directly with the other users involved, should be brought up in the appropriate forums with evidence, if at all.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 04:44, 3 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Antidiskriminator: Thank you for your message. I guess that you will also be interested to know that user Zoupan has just accused me of having "conspiracy theories" and he did that on a talk page of user Vanjagenije, who is also an administrator: (diff) So, be free to react on that too. Sorabino (talk) 02:37, 4 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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75 years since Norway's largest massacre, mostly of Serbs
Hi, I see that you are a member of the wiki project Serbia. I am working on the Beisfjord massacre. There is a Norwegian user taking issue with the article. The person is vandalizing the article and claiming (without substantiation) that a sockpuppet from July 2016 is still doing stuff to the article. Please discuss with your other members at Serbia project, and evaluate if my version [1] is more acceptable than his version. (Here is the diff from his default version [2], to my present version.) Perhaps you or other users have communication skills that can make him stop his present activities on the article. To my knowledge he has never added anything to the article, from what I can see from the history. 176.11.181.248 (talk) 06:25, 3 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Disambiguation pages and redirects
Hi! I appreciate the spirit and well-meaning intention, but you have fallen into the trap of trying to disambiguate things where there is nothing to disambiguate. If you try to cover all possible variations of "X-denomination Y-diocese of Z-place", you will undoubtedly also invent names that are simply never used. These are not only redundant, but misleading, because once they are on Wikipedia, there is always someone who will consider them to be true and factual. Constantine ✍ 19:47, 10 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
It is OK, I understand, but was there a problem with terms "Estern Othodox" - "Greek Orthodox" since eastern-orthodox patriarchates of Constantinople, Antioch, Jerusalem and Alexandria are in fact predominantly Greek, or something else was not right? Sorabino (talk) 19:53, 10 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
No, the problem was not with the denomination. You are right that for all intents and purposes, "Eastern Orthodox" equals "Greek Orthodox". The problem lies elsewhere: One, you have created terms that are simply never used. For instance, nobody refers to the Latin Patriarchate of Constantinople as the "Roman Catholic Archbishopric of Constantinople". Whenever one talks of the "Archbishop of Constantinople", that is usually, in Western languages at least, the (Eastern Orthodox) Ecumenical Patriarch. So creating any disambiguation pages and redirects with all of these terms is redundant, and even misleading for those who don't know, but may stumble upon them. Secondly, by creating the disambiguation pages in the first place, you place the Ecumenical Patriarch as "Archbishop of Constantinople" on equal footing in terms of importance with the Latin and Armenian patriarchs. While the latter are important, this is one case where the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC of the title "Archbishop of Constantinople" is overwhelmingly clear. The situation should be dealt with with a hatnote at the Ecumenical Patriarchate's page. This was missing, for some reason, I have now added it. Constantine ✍ 20:01, 10 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I understand your point now. I saw earlier that in various articles term "Archbishop of Constantinople" was used loosely and without proper clarification that it is an eastern orthodox ecclesiastical institution, and therefore I made "Estern Othodox" and "Greek Orthodox" variants. Since patriarchal titles were officially introduced after 451, until then all major sees were just archbishoprics, or metropolitanates. But that is not of crucial importance, for this issue. So, what is yours proposal for the solution? Sorabino (talk) 20:19, 10 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Deleting ISBNs and changing section headings
G'day. You have recently made several edits to articles changing the formatting of references which included deleting the ISBNs, and have also changed the section headings in several articles. Per MOS:FNNR, "Sources" is potentially confusing. Generally, once established, section headings for the References sections of article should be left alone unless there is a consensus to change them. They are not something you change because you prefer them one way or another. And deleting ISBNs isn't useful. I've reverted a few of them, but I suggest you stop this activity, it isn't contributing to the encyclopaedia. Thanks, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 03:21, 3 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
And I reverted a couple more. ISBNs should definitely not be deleted, and if you reformat the code into a single line, either do it for entire bibliography or leave it alone. No such user (talk) 10:13, 3 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I just saw your warnings and I am surprised by your comments since I added just one historical scientific work of late Serbian historian, university professor Sima Ćirković who was a well known scholar and member of several academic institutions in Europe. How can adding such references be qualified in a the way you did? Please, take a look at the source I added: Ćirković, Sima (2004). The Serbs. Malden: Blackwell Publishing. {{cite book}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help). That is relevant scholarly material, by all standards. Sorabino (talk) 14:17, 3 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Catholicism (term)
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I wanted to make you aware of discussions concerning the page move discussion you recently participated in at Catholicism (term):
FYI that I did not realize you were not a native speaker yourself when I posted the clarification of usage of the term rite on WT:CATHOLIC. We've had a decent amount of non-native speakers weighing in on the Catholic naming conventions, some of whom have asked for language clarifications. I was just trying to make sure everyone was aware of the vocabulary being used, not critiquing you :) TonyBallioni (talk) 14:21, 29 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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You have clearly misunderstood the concept of both redirects (as already pointed out to you) and [now] disambiguation pages. One example is Central Serbia (disambiguation), which lists historical Serbian principalities — how exactly are these identified as Central Serbia? In historiography they are certainly not. The history section at Central Serbia has information on those subjects anyway. So... Please explain how you did come up with Central Serbian Principality of Raška? Please stop these OR edits as they do not help the encyclopaedia whatsoever.--Zoupan23:45, 29 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The problem is OR and the terminology. More examples are "Vardaskan language" and "Inner Serbian Principality in the Early Middle Ages" (wow.), which is just... terrible. The latter is not used as an identifier in historiography nor is it a plausible search (obviously, "central Serbian principality" and "inner Serbian principality" have 0 hits at Gbooks). It is your own creation (Original Research). Next, the word "regions" is rightly used for geographical regions, but the terminology again is wrong—does it imply historical regions now in Serbia that existed in the Middle Ages (far-fetched) or provinces in the Medieval Serbian state(s)?--Zoupan01:14, 30 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Hi Sorabino, you keep referencing the official FBI terminology for the article currently at Persecution of Eastern Orthodox Christians, and I was wondering why that was important. Generally speaking, we should be interested in the common name for this topic across all reliable English sources, not just the name used by a particular source; however, I am curious to know why you specifically single out the FBI as important to this topic. Cheers, --Aervanath (talk) 08:56, 7 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy deletion nomination of Acacius of of Seleucia-Ctesiphon
Hello Sorabino,
I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Acacius of of Seleucia-Ctesiphon for deletion, because the article doesn't clearly say why the subject is important enough to be included in an encyclopedia.
If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.
You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions.
@Chris troutman:, its already mentioned in almost all of those articles, in references or sources, I am just adding more complete version, with link to that book on Google Books. Sorabino (talk) 20:40, 13 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
But I don't think that's very helpful. For example, you added the Frazee book to several articles. It's definitely germane to that one article but it's not listed in the citations. When you drop a citation like that across a bunch of articles at once, it looks more like you're advertising for the author than trying to help readers find material. If you really wanted to better the article, you could improve the text using books like that one as in-line citations. I'd prefer you avoid doing what you're doing. Chris Troutman (talk)20:47, 13 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
You have been blocked from editing for a period of 1 week for canvassing ([4]). You were already warned here that canvassing is not allowed, but you've did it again. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions.
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It is 100 % clear that there was no "canvasing" here, and since I had several disputes earlier with the user who blocked me now using his administrative privileges it obvious what has happened here Also, an open personal attack was made on me on the talk page of Persecution of Eastern Orthodox Christians - and now I can not respond because I am blocked for "canvasing"! Sorabino (talk) 20:20, 18 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Decline reason:
It is in fact not 100% clear there was no canvassing. The edit that people are saying constitutes canvassing is this. Please review Wikipedia:Canvassing carefully and evaluate whether your notification of PetarM was neutral and done without the intention of swaying the discussion in a particular way. Because your unblock request does not address these issues, I am declining it. Mz7 (talk) 21:06, 18 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Mz7, on what grounds have you refused my request? I was blocked for alleged "canvasing" on another Wikipedia, and it seems that that you do not speak the language of that Wikipedia, so you could not read or understand what I wrote there, but in spite of that you refused my request, on what grounds? You have no clue what I actually wrote there, but you passed your judgement anyway. So, why was I blocked here, on English Wikipedia? Sorabino (talk) 21:40, 18 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I declined your request because it did not adequately address the reason for your block. I used Google Translate to get a general sense of what was written. Machine translation is obviously not infallible, of course, but it is also insufficient to say "there was no canvassing" when you clearly wrote on the talk page of another user. The question you need to answer in your unblock request is simple: what were your intentions when you wrote on that talk page? If it was to try and sway a discussion a certain way, that is canvassing. Mz7 (talk) 21:53, 18 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Mz7, so it is I who have to prove my innocence here? Man, I was falsely accused of "racism" on two pages by the same user, and in the same time blocked here for "canvasing" that was allegedly made on another Wikipedia! So, that is a coincidence? The alleged "canvasing" was pure and simple continuation of numerous talks I had on that Wikipedia, relating issues on this Wikipedia. So, now talking about issues is "canvasing"? Sorabino (talk) 22:05, 18 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Mz7, take a look at the chronology: first I was accused of "canvasing" by an Albanian user here on 16:24, then I was blocked in on 17:20, and after that I was accused for "racism" by another Albanian user here on 19:06, quite conveniently when I was already blocked and unable to respond to those accusations. And now, when I asked my accuser to explain himself, he is silent on the "racial" question. In the same time, you are keeping me blocked because of an alleged "canvasing" and I have no alternative but to seek help from the community. Sorabino (talk) 22:56, 18 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Excuse me, Sorabino, as I have already told you, I am not an "Albanian user". Calling me such is really not helping your case here... Furthermore, drawing a line between my action's and Resnjari's is imaginative but even more so, to include Vanjagenije's block of you in the alleged conspiracy is beyond absurd. Seriously, take a week to cool off and maybe you will be able to contribute constructively (I mean it). --Calthinus (talk) 02:38, 19 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Calthinus, your entire user page is focused on Albania, so if you are not from Albania that is news for me, but according to your user page it seems that you at least are an Albanian-focused user. Maybe albanology is your field of study, I dont know. Sorabino (talk) 05:34, 19 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Uh, actually my user page has some stuff I have done recently about Albania, but it also has stuff about Greece, the Caucasus, linguistics, secularism, Libya, Syria, need I go on? Yeah, I have various interests, and I am neither Albanian nor in Albanology, just a hobby. I don't even have any Albanian background, I already told you before what my background was actually, because it was relevant [[5]]. --Calthinus (talk) 06:31, 19 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Calthinus, what are you playing here man? First you say that you made some information about your origin, for whatever reason, and then you post message showing that you actually placed that under some pronoun, and therefore it does not show in the message, only in the edit text! Why would you do that? Sorabino (talk) 08:57, 19 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Wow, just wow. What am I playing at? I said it clearly enough, given the context, where you bizarrely accused me of being "offensive" for saying that Nazi motives for the Holocaust were primarily racist pseudo-science rather than religion (this is kind of an accepted and well-known fact)-- Umm I guess I must be a self-hater then -- it was obvious enough with "self-hater". The reason I didn't say "I'm an Ashkenazi Jew" is because the talk page is about the corresponding mainspace page, not me and my background, and furthermore I dislike bringing my ethnicity into things too much, due to the unfortunate trend on Wikipedia of either attributing an opposing user's actions to their ethnicity or their ethnicity to their actions (I don't speak or act for anyone but myself, most Jews don't know much about the Balkans at all, it's an interest of mine). I think those are all pretty reasonable reasons for saying it hte way I did, but I also made it pretty clear.
Anyhow, it's not just me you called "Albanian" though. In [your canvassing message], you said Наиме, група албанских корисника је недавно на енглеској Википедији покушала да избрише читав тај чланак, па када у томе нису успели онда су кренули да бришу читава поглавља, на пример о страдању СПЦ на Косову и Метохији (Google translate: Namely, a group of Albanian users recently attempted to delete the entire article in English Wikipedia, and when they did not succeed then they started to delete entire chapters, for example, the suffering of the SPC in Kosovo and Metohija). Aside from your inaccurate portrayal of what happened, "group of Albanian editors" would imply that Ktrimi991, Bobfrombrockley and myself are all "Albanians". But only Ktrimi is, you can see quite easily from Bob's user page he is not. Please do not use misrepresentations of other editors' nationalities and ethnicities in your messages ever again -- and preferably don't bring other users' backgrounds into your arguments about content at all. --Calthinus (talk) 14:10, 19 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Calthinus, you are twisting my words here again and that is just one of your several recent attacks on me. Actually, it is very good that you are dong that here also, so that everyone can see. I is absolutely clear that I was never referring to user BobFromBrockley as "Albanian" that is your construction. So, why are you doing that, I wonder? The answer is clear, the group of those three users (BobFromBrockley, Calthinus, Ktrimi991) recently tried to [Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anti-Orthodoxy delete] the entire article on negative sentiments and animosities towards Eastern Orthodox Christians! Who would want to do that, and why? In all subsequent discussions we never herd any answer to that question. Not to mention subsequent removal of entire sections from that article by the same users. I was fighting against that, and since then user Calthinus is fixated on me, and his actions here are totally transparent. Sorabino (talk) 16:16, 19 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Here we go again with the personalized accusations about the motives of other users... I won't even bother responding to them, this time as they speak for themselves. However, there is one thing of note. In Serbian, Sorabino, you said "група албанских корисника"-- now as I understand it hte word "group" in English is of the same origin as Serbocroatian "grupa" there, and in English we don't use "group" if we're referring to only two users, we typically say "pair", with "group" meaning three or more. ResnjariByteflushVanjagenije you guys all speak Serbian -- is "grupa" used similarly to English "group"? I would like to know.--Calthinus (talk) 16:27, 19 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Vanjagenije & Mz7, please unblock me so I can report the personal attack, made against me after I was blocked for "canvasing". I was accused here for racism and now unable to defend myself against such serious accusations. I did not make any racial, insulting or derogatory use of the term Shqiptars (in Serbian: Шиптари), as it was implied by my accuser here. And it is not true that any use of that term is by definition a slur, as was also implied by some users. In order to respond to that I need access to pages on community portal. It is clear from the chronology that accuser made his move only when he saw that I was blocked for "canvasing". Sorabino (talk) 05:34, 19 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Please see the advice at Wikipedia:Guide to appealing blocks. As far as I'm concerned, you still have not provided a convincing explanation that you understand either (1) why you were blocked and therefore will not do the same things again, or (2) why your edits were not disruptive (as opposed to just saying "they were not disruptive"). I do not believe anyone here is calling you racist, but some of us are pointing out that while you might not have meant to use the term in a derogatory fashion, it could be interpreted in a derogatory fashion. To illustrate, the article you just linked to (Shqiptars) states: Albanians consider the Serbo-Croatian and Macedonian usage of the term ... Шиптари ... which is a variant of the Albanian ethnonym, as derogatory. ... The official term for Albanians in South Slavic languages is Albanac (Cyrillic: Албанац; plural: Albanci, Албанци). I hope this helps clarify this whole unfortunate situation. If you want to report this incident to other community members, you may do so after your block expires, but please be aware that, if you do so, you can be sanctioned for your own actions as well. Mz7 (talk) 06:23, 19 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Mz7, why are you all so against taking this to the community? This issue must be discussed, because fair use of those terms should not be labeled as racist, insulting and derogatory, and on the other hand - any case of such misuse should be condemned and suppressed. Do you think that all uses of those terms are by definition negative? There are thousands of literary or scholarly works that use those terms fairly, go to the Google Search engines and look for yourself. And in 2015, it was explicitly and officially forbidden in Serbia to use those terms in any negative connotation. Therefore, we should have a discussion regarding the alleged labeling of all uses as racist, insulting of derogatory. I did not use those terms in the bad way and everyone can see what I wrote there. Even my accuser is starting to back up now. So, I will take this to the community ass soon as I regain access to community portals. Sorabino (talk) 08:36, 19 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Vanjagenije & Mz7, it is clear by now that campaign against me is going on here, and I can not react properly because I am blocked for canvasing. It is your duty as administrators to react to this obvious abuse of my current position by some users here, or to let me defend myself. You are holding me hostage here, while I am not able to report attacks. Just look what happened with initial accusations on racial slurs - the accuser is now stating down there that he was not actually accusing anyone for that! So, what is going on here? Sorabino (talk) 16:16, 19 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
No one is conspiring against you here. Your block is temporary; if you want to be unblocked early, you must directly address the reason for your block. As it seems I'm just repeating myself here, I don't think I'll be commenting here any further. @Resnjari: I suggest the same for you per WP:STICK. Mz7 (talk) 16:48, 19 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Mz7 Stuff was said about me including on another wiki where I have no ability to reply. WP:STICK refers to debates which have ended. A man has a right to reply to statements about him. But I am seeing what you mean that it is not accomplishing much beyond that so I will cease nevertheless.--Calthinus (talk) 17:01, 19 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Use of the racist term "Shiptar" -just very disappointed in you.
Sorabino, i am very disappointed here. Apart from the canvassing for votes, why did you have to also make comments like this when doing so [6] "Смејаће нам се Шиптари брате" (The Shiptars will laugh at us)? The word Shiptar is a racist term for Albanians in Serbian with the meaning of Albanian racial and cultural inferiority. I thought you were engaging here within Wikipedia in good faith. Its sad to see that you went down that ugly road.Resnjari (talk) 19:11, 18 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Resnjari, You are totally wrong, and out of line! Word "Shqiptar" is not a racist term in any language! And it is 100 % clear that I did not use that term in racist, or in any other derogatory way. So, are you actually accusing me of racism here? That is a clear personal attack! Sorabino (talk) 20:11, 18 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Resnjari, I just saw that you actually wrote: "The word Shiptar is a racist term for Albanians in Serbian with the meaning of Albanian racial and cultural inferiority" on the talk page of the Persecution of Eastern Orthodox Christians! That is a complete nonsense - you are defaming Serbian language by inventing non-existent "racial" slurs! Ad above that, Albanians and Serbs are of the same race, so your claims are 100 % nonsense. Sorabino (talk) 20:36, 18 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
There is a difference between the word Shqiptar and Shiptar. Both have the same etymological foundation (the second derived from the first), but the version without the q has acquired a whole host of negative/racist meanings for over 4 decades now. In your comments (and i read them in the original Serbian) were about canvassing votes and even telling editors how to even vote while citing perceived issues with Albanian editors. Yet when you mentioned Albanians you used the Serbian version of the word. Your use of Shiptar came at the end of one of your comments in jibe about Albanians laughing at Serbs. You are aware of the differing terms in Serbian regarding Albanians. Its very disappointing that you wrote it. Do i really have to bring up the scholarship about what the word Shiptar means?Resnjari (talk) 20:37, 18 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Sorabino, Resnjari has calmly explained their reasons for why they feel your use of the term "Shiptar" is inappropriate (it's in fact on List of ethnic slurs), and in my view as an administrator, it does not constitute a personal attack. Accordingly, I would ask that you please drop your accusations against Resnjari and carefully consider whether you really meant to use the term "Shiptar". Thanks, Mz7 (talk) 21:11, 18 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Resnjari, I ask you once again, before reporting you, do you still stand behind your accusations against me for alleged racism? If you do, then I will have to report you on that. If you do not, then remove offensive accusations you made against me! Sorabino (talk) 22:18, 18 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Vanjagenije:, since you can read Serbian you know very well that I did not make any derogatory comments or slurs against any ethnicity! I was openly accused of "racism" not just here but also on the other page, and only after you blocked me here for "canvasing" on another Wikipedia! So, are you accusing me of racism to? And on what grounds? If the accuser does not retract the accusation on racism I will have to report him, and you if you are accusing me to, that would explain why you blocked me for no reason. Sorabino (talk) 23:24, 18 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Why would it matter if it's a Wikipedia in another language? Just for the heck of it, it could be seen as "off-wiki canvassing". Not allowed. By the way, racist is a commonly used term to refer to xenophobes, ultra-nationalists and such. byteflushTalk23:36, 18 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Byteflush:, regarding the canvasing, there was non in any form, and obviously that is why Vanjagenije avoided fellow administrators on that Wikipedia and decided to block me here, so that I could be muted and attacked for alleged "racism" with no proof what so ever. And now, he is even warning me not to report false accusations! And yes, xenophobes and ultra-nationalists are also racist, but are you implying that I am one of them? Sorabino (talk) 23:49, 18 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Re: canvassing - why would another Wiki's administrators need to be involved regarding an issue on en.wiki?
@Byteflush:, you avoided my question - it seems that you are brave to insinuate, but not brave to state. And obviously there is nothing derogatory or racist in any of my statements - the section you pointed to does not contain a single racist or derogatory statement of any kind. So, what are you accusing me of? Sorabino (talk) 00:13, 19 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Resnjari, I am not blocked on this, so if you are still calling me racist prepare to explain that to the community. As I understand, you have no intention to revoke your accusations? Sorabino (talk) 02:38, 19 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
You got blocked by an administrator for canvassing in a short space of time, as opposed to it being done through a more time consuming process of lodging a report which would have included a lot of things. I pointed this additional issue out because its not on. Editors may have disagreements and be very passionate about a particular issue (and i am no fan of group think ,in the end its everyone unto themselves), however there is no need to use these kinds of words on Wikipedia. The administrator who blocked you has politely explained not to engage in such terminology in future. You have a week off, reflect and don't do it again or canvassing for that matter.Resnjari (talk) 02:51, 19 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
You used an ethnic slur and the administrator who gave you a block for canvassing has also said not to do that again. Sorabino count yourself lucky that it was a ban for a week as i have read all the recent canvassing comments on Serb Wikipedia you made. Just don't do it again.Resnjari (talk) 03:17, 19 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Resnjari, I did not use any term as an ethnic or racial slur, you made that up! Are you implying that any use of the term Shqiptar (in Serbian: Шиптар) is a slur? Such claim is false, and so are your accusations. It seems now that you are quite reluctant now to repeat your racial accusations. I wonder why? And also, now you are insinuating other things? What comments of mine? Sorabino (talk) 03:25, 19 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know you personally or what your views are on things or people and hope this is a once off error. That said you wrote this word Shiptar (article in English wikipedia is densely referenced on this) in the context of making a jibe after using the normal word of Albanian/s in your comments. Additionally in your comments, you go on about how Albanian editors are against the scope of the article etc etc (which comes of kind of conspiratorial), the need to do this that or the other regarding voting. Do you want me to translate all your comments word for word? Anyway, combined it does not assist your situation. You have a week off now due to a block, reflect, take the advice of editors and don't do this behavior again.Resnjari (talk) 07:20, 19 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Resnjari, go ahead - do that, please. It is clear that I used both terms, Albanian and Shqiptar, because they are synonyms, and I did not use either of them in any racist or derogatory way. You made that up totally. Are you actually clamming that any use of the second term is racist or derogatory, because that is how your accusations are coming across. And that is why we need to discuss all this in front of the community, because we need some clear policy rules here. Sorabino (talk) 08:47, 19 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
You used the term shiptar at the end of your comment in a jibe made about Albanians ("Shiptars") 'laughing at us'. Yes that term is derogatory. Albanians from areas of the former Yugoslavia are aware of the term due to experience and being at the receiving end. When used it is in a negative way, not positive. Scholarship has traced the evolution of the word and the pejorative meanings it has attained for over 4 decades in south Slavic languages. Administrator Vanjagenije who blocked you for canvassing can also read Serbian and in this thread told you not to do it again. Its not an accusation, you wrote it, its there and taken within its full context about other Albanians supposedly inhibiting the article came of kind of conspiratorial as to what you were alleging. In case you missed it, yes i am of Albanian heritage and with the first pagemove and the second expressed an understanding and even siding with your view point with slight disagreement over technicalities. Many other editors that have disagreed with you are not Albanians. Yet your comments were saying that it was Albanians coming out to block your initiatives and remove content by reducing the scope of the article and that other editors need to vote support to carry the day. I hope in hindsight you see how that all comes off. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a place to WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS. You have a week off and consider it lucky (editors in this kind of situation can get harsher sanctions), reflect and don't do it again.Resnjari (talk) 09:30, 19 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Resnjari, finally you revealed the real reasons for accusing me: it was not because I said anything really racial or even insulting, but because you are generally opposed to any use of that term by us Serbs! Man, you accused me of being racist for stating simply to another Serbian user, on Serbian Wikipedia: "Смејаће нам се Шиптари брате" (The Shqiptars will laugh at us, bro)! And that was said, as you could see, in the context of our Serbian internal difficulties to agree on any issue! So, it is clear that I did not say anything bad about your people in any way. By claiming that my statement was racial slur, you are actually derogating and relativizing real racism. Why are you so opposed to fair use of that term? Maybe it is hard for you to believe, but wast majority of Serbs are using that term because we know that you call yourself Shqiptars and we are one of few people who are calling you also by your original national name, with no racial slur. Your denial of the fair use of that term is the real problem here. You dont have the right to accuse people for racism because you have some extreme and exclusive views on any term. Sorabino (talk) 09:59, 19 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
No one called you something. I just expressed my disappointment with your use of that term. The word is pejorative with a loaded meaning. In Serbian they don't say Shqiptar, its either Albanac or over a century ago the older word Arbanas. You said shiptar (with no q) and it was part of a larger comment, repeated in threads to various editors that you canvassed about votes being needed to counteract Albanians for this that or the other. This is the last time i say this, reflect, don't do it again and consider a block for a week as a lucky break because editors that have been in a similar situation have fared much worse.Resnjari (talk) 10:48, 19 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Resnjari, everyone can see that I said Шиптари, and that is direct Serbian equivalent for Shqiptars, so what are you talking about some missing letters? And I must tell you again, this question will have to be addressed in front the community because after this we must have a clear policy on the fair and non-fair use of those terms, and information on any final conclusions will have to be placed in relevant articles, so that everyone can see and act accordingly, without misuse and false accusations. If you think that Serbs should be forbidden to use that term in all cases, you will have the opportunity to explain such stand. And dont worry for me, I can defend myself, on my own. Sorabino (talk) 11:23, 19 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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