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Mclarenfan17

While the Mclarenfan17 account hasn't edited since June, they've since edited while logged out in contravention of the interaction ban. As such, their IPs are to be blocked on sight, at least until some form of communications is established. For enforcement action, please report these IPs upon their appearance, citing this report. El_C 09:13, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

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Request concerning Mclarenfan17

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: Tvx1 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 16:03, 7 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: Mclarenfan17 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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Sanction or remedy to be enforced: Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Motorsports :

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

7 February 2021 Mclarenfan17, while logged out, posted a direct reply to a post of mine at the talk page of 2021 Formula One World Championship

If discretionary sanctions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts)

Not applicable

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

On 30 March 2020 an indefinite interaction ban has been imposed on me and Mclarenfan17. About three months later the user stopped using their account for editing Wikipedia and has only edited while logged out since. They use IP addresses in the 1.100 range. Here is a recent example of Mclarenfan17 self-identifying from that range. They also regularly edited from that range in between using their original account, Prisonermonkeys, and creating their current one Mclarenfan17. Thus I believe the reply to my post came from Mclarenfan17 and that is a violation of the interaction ban.T v x1 16:03, 7 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Robert McClenon: could we put the question on the why they edited logged aside and deal with the violation of the interaction ban, which is why I posted this requested?T v x1 22:05, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

7 February 2021, 3:03 (UTC)

Discussion concerning Mclarenfan17

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Statement by Mclarenfan17

Statement by Robert McClenon

There is a simple explanation and a straightforward solution.

The person who has been Prisonermonkeys and Mclarenfan17 may have lost their password for Mclarenfan17. They lost the password for Prisonermonkeys, and were editing logged out for a period of time. During that time, they had a formatting dispute with another editor, and I told them that they should create a new account if they wished to engage in dispute resolution, and then they did create Mclarenfan17. The current situation is almost the same as the previous situation, except that the person behind the accounts is the subject of the interaction ban. I recommend that the person be instructed to create a third account, and edit only from that account, and the account will be subject to the interaction ban. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:07, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

User:In actu - I know that bans apply to the person, and that is why all accounts are subject to the ban. I said that the person behind the accounts is subject to the ban.

As to how they lost the passwords, they say that they took a break for a few months, and then saw that the tables needed filling in and formatting. If you don't use a password in a few months, you can forget it. And what they have always quarreled about has been data in tables and the organization of tables. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:28, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

See Occam's razor. Use the simplest explanation. It seems like the simplest explanation, as well as the one that almost assumes good faith, when there is no entirely good-faith explanation. This is an editor who loses passwords, and who quarrels about the arrangement of data in tables. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:28, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

User:Tvx1 asks me whether we can put aside the question of why they edit logged out, and deal with the violations of the interaction ban instead. That question should really be addressed to the administrators here, and I expect that the administrators will address it. I will comment that semi-protection is sometimes the least disruptive way for administrators to address disruptive editing logged out. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:35, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by (username)

Result concerning Mclarenfan17

This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.

They haven't edited logged-in since June for some reason. Not sure they'd even be aware of any recent notifications to that registered account's talk page. Seeing as the IP has edited yesterday, I've left them a notice to that effect, too. Anyway, clearly there are reoccurring problems here which are in need of addressing. El_C 17:29, 7 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Guerillero, agreed. Closing. Will log. El_C 09:07, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I would block them for IP socking and block the IP each time they reappear. --In actu (Guerillero) ^{Parlez Moi} 02:17, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Robert McClenon: Bans are subject to the person not the account. further, it is hard to believe that they lost the passwords to 2 accounts in quick succession --In actu (Guerillero) ^{Parlez Moi} 03:38, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Solavirum

Solavirum has been indefinitely topic banned from the WP:ARBAA2 topic area, broadly construed. El_C 22:48, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

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Request concerning Solavirum

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: Steverci (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 22:08, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: Solavirum (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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Sanction or remedy to be enforced: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 2 :

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

17:04, 6 December 2020‎ adding a Category:People by genocide category, a label only given by an extremely small minority
10:52, 9 December 2020 adding Category:Armenian war crimes, with no reliable sources calling this a war crime or of war crime charges
20:08, 18 January 2021 Genocide denial of the Armenian Genocide: "a century-old genocide, which happened because of the Armenian revolts, which happened because of the rising Armenian nationalism"
09:02, 1 February 2021 adding Category:Armenian war crimes, with no reliable sources calling this a war crime or of war crime charges
09:02, 1 February 2021 adding Category:Armenian war crimes, with no reliable sources calling this a war crime or of war crime charges
09:02, 1 February 2021 adding Category:Armenian war crimes, with no reliable sources calling this a war crime or of war crime charges
10:24, 3 February 2021‎ removing cited info he doesn't like and then adding MOS:ALLEGED wording
17:46, 5 February 2021 adding Category:Armenian war crimes, with no reliable sources calling this a war crime or of war crime charges
16:25, 6 February 2021 removing sourced content he doesn't like because "asbarez is a bised armenian source" (Asbarez is not a perennial source and doesn't even have a criticism section)
06:28, 10 February 2021 edit warring and removing large amounts of content because it comes from Armenian sources

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Alerted about discretionary sanctions in the area of conflict in the last twelve months on their own talk page, on 1 October 2020 and 21 December 2020

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

I previously made a discussion about just Solavirum's denial of the Armenian Genocide on the incidents noticeboard. The discussion was archived without any resolution, and practically no input from any administrators. Most of the above diff edits have been made after that discussion.

For anyone unfamiliar with the subject, here is a cited explanation on why what Solavirum said is genocide denial:

“

One of the key arguments made by genocide deniers is that the deportations, and whatever “unfortunate excesses” occurred during them, were not part of a plan of extermination but rather a response to an Armenian rebellion in the eastern provinces in collaboration with Russia.^[1]

This officially distributed educational material reconstructs the history in line with the denial policies of the government portraying the Armenians as backstabbers and betrayers, who are portrayed as a threat to the sovereignty and identity of modern Turkey. The demonization of the Armenians in Turkish education is a prevailing occurrence that is underwritten by the government to reinforce the denial discourse.^[2]

The Turkish state and those few historians who reject the notion of genocide have argued that the tragedy was the result of a reasonable and understandable response of a government to a rebellious and seditious population in time of war and mortal danger to the state’s survival... There was no genocide, and the Armenians were to blame for it. They were rebellious, seditious subjects who presented a danger to the empire and got what they deserved... Still—the denialists claim—despite the existential threat posed by the Armenians and their Russian allies to the survival of the empire, there was no intention or effort by the Young Turk regime to eliminate the Armenians as a people.^[3]

In the past ten years a more sophisticated neo-denialism has emerged, which elaborates the argument that the Armenians were involved in insurrectionary activity that necessitated a counterinsurgency response from the Young Turk government. A number of authors have worked with Professor M. Hakan Yavuz and published works with the University of Utah Press. While there are differences in emphasis and interpretation among their works, these writers are to a large degree sympathetic to the defensive attitudes of Turkish government and military officials, favor evidence and accounts exculpatory of the Young Turk policies, and emphatically reject the notion of genocidal intention.^[4]

”

The "Armenian war crimes" category was created back in December by User:Saotura, who was recently indefinitely blocked from Wikipedia for pushing Turkish nationalism and Armenian Genocide denial in articles. Solavirum made a comment in support of the edits that Saotura made: "when did someone's personal views became a basis for block?". 'Personal views' referring to genocide denial.

After creating the "Armenian war crimes" category, Saotura began padding it with several articles that had no sources describing them as war crimes, of war crimes being charged, and that couldn't even be described as "warfare between sovereign states". Solavirum has continued to stuff the category with articles that have no citations for being war crimes. In just two months after being created, the Armenian category already has been padded with the third largest amount of articles on Category:War crimes committed by country, behind only United States and Japan. It is quite clear that Solavirum is also WP:NOTHERE to build an encyclopedia, and engages in the same WP:BATTLEGROUND and WP:POVPUSH edits that he defended. --Steverci (talk) 22:08, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Kaligian, Dikran (2014). "Anatomy of Denial: Manipulating Sources and Manufacturing a Rebellion". Genocide Studies International. 8 (2): 9. doi:10.3138/gsi.8.2.06.
^ Aybak, Tunç (2016). "Geopolitics of Denial: Turkish State's 'Armenian Problem'". Journal of Balkan and Near Eastern Studies. 18 (2): 13. doi:10.1080/19448953.2016.1141582.
^ Suny, Ronald Grigor (2015). "They Can Live in the Desert but Nowhere Else": A History of the Armenian Genocide. Princeton University Press. pp. xii–xiii. ISBN 978-1-4008-6558-1. {{cite book}}: Unknown parameter |lay-url= ignored (help)
^ Suny 2015, p. 375.

17:22, 10 February 2021 recreating an article that had previously been deleted for having no reliable third-party sources. The article still contains no reliable third party sources and is padded with sources for unrelated background info. Also added Category:Massacres of women with no source for women being the primary target or targeted for their gender, as the category requires.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Steverci (talk • contribs) 22:44, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@El C: If genocide denial would be key, please review the quotes from historians that I posted. Blaming/justifying the Armenian Genocide on "revolts" is genocide denial. It's no mistake that someone with this mentality would rewrite a massacre to be a "battle", because Solavirum evidentially feels that way about a genocide.

The 1994 shootdown article does have a HRW source, but the source doesn't call it a war crime, it is just hypothetical (no proof they hadn't tried to identify the aircraft). And what about the other articles that have no source for a "war crime" whatsoever? Or recently adding Category:Massacres of women on an article he just created, that has no sources for "specifically targeted to be killed because of their gender", as the fairly small category clearly requires? Or repeatedly removing sources just because they are Armenian? I would appreciate if you would more than glance these edits before dismissing them as "occasional polemical excesses".

You are also talking about Solavirum as if he were a new user with a clean record that just made a mistake. But he has been editing for over 5 years now, has already had multiple AA2 warnings, and has been blocked twice within the past year because of AA2 edits. --Steverci (talk) 00:13, 13 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@El C: I should also add that the article also has Category:Massacres of men despite no mention of males being killed for their gender. And I would really appreciate an explanation for why blaming the Armenian Genocide on "Armenian revolts" is not genocide denial. --Steverci (talk) 00:32, 13 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@El C: Please take a look at the historian quotes I cited: "In the past ten years a more sophisticated neo-denialism has emerged, which elaborates the argument that the Armenians were involved in insurrectionary activity that necessitated a counterinsurgency response from the Young Turk government...". That is precisely what Solavirum said. Genocide denial isn't claiming no/few Armenians died being resettled. That was claimed for a couple decades after the genocide when it was hardly discussed and hardly researched, but obviously can't be substantiated now. Neo-denailism is redefining genocide. From the examination of claims section of the denial article: Other arguments include that there was a "civil war" or generalized Armenian uprising planned by the Armenian Revolutionary Federation (ARF) in collusion with Russia. --Steverci (talk) 21:55, 13 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@El C: Thank you for the compliment :) --Steverci (talk) 22:36, 13 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

[1]

Discussion concerning Solavirum

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Statement by Solavirum

Steverci seems to failing WP: BATTLEGROUND and can't WP:DROPTHESTICK. A user with past long-running blocks, including a topic ban, he seems to wanting me outside of the Armenia–Azerbaijan topic. I can refer to the diffs one by one, but it will take a long time, and we've referred to some of the in the previous ANI report concerning me. I'm really just sick of these baseless reports filed against me by Steverci, the last being not even a month ago. If you have problems with these edits, refer to the talk page, and, let me remind you, without behaving like you did here. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 09:22, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

El_C, might be my bad. Capture of Garadaghly uses the {{Infobox military conflict}} and X victory format. Both were massacres that happened during a military engagement. The same happened in Maragha, the article's text says so at least. So, I used the said infobox to be consistent. Sorry if I gave the wrong feeling. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 19:54, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- El_C, I had explained the reason behind the edit. Maragha and Garadaghly basically happened in the same context, but the latter makes it look like an Armenian victory. The sole reason behind my edit was the sake of consistensy, and I don't exclude the fact that it was wrong. Not like if I regarded a massacre of a civilian populace as some kind of a accomplishment. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 07:57, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - You have the liberty to be in favour of my topic ban. But if its for this particular edit, then it is nothing more than a misunderstanding, and I don't want to be known as an editor who celebrates mass murder of civilians, when I'm clearly not. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 08:06, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    - El_C, I understand why you think like that. However, it is not several edits of mine that are like this, it's just this particular one and I've explained above that it was a case of me trying to keep the consistency, yet unfortunately, without realising how it could be understood by others. I hope you can understand that this was a misunderstanding, and in no way an intentional way for me to minimize the severity of a mass murder. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 12:03, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      - El_C, thanks for the input. I will take some time off from editing pages related to the controversial topics and focus on other stuff, as you have recommended. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 20:53, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        El_C, "a result of the massacre committed by Armenians, 39 people were killed with special cruelty. Among them, 8 people aged 90–100, 2 babies and 7 women were cremated alive, 12 people got severe bodily injuries and 2 went missing." That denialism topic has been long over and I don't want to touch it again. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 07:25, 13 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        And Steverci, WP:DROPTHESTICK already. We've discussed the genocide topic in ANI and that's long over. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 07:27, 13 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        The articles from both of these categories (the ones that I looked at at least; see Khojaly massacre) also don't have a any specifications of gender-based mass murder. So, I just took it from there. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 08:31, 13 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        
        El_C, it is a problem. I created the article before this report escalated, and further comments were made the additions of the said categories, so I didn't really realise that the article I had referenced could also be problematic. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 08:55, 13 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        El_C, I had thoroughly explained myself in the ANI report against me. I had explained the comment, I had explained my intentions. I had stated that I don't deny the phenomenon, numerous times. I don't know how reasonable it is to just push the thought of me being a denier, like how Steverci does. I've already concluded the false allegations of me apparently being a denier, and still getting called a one is quite offensive. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 07:41, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        El_C, I will take a stand and assume that you've thoroughly read the ANI report. Though, for this context, I'll summerize it. There, I've stated that I do not deny the genocide, and that statement was an example to show Steverci how unsourced, speculative additions are not a place for Wikipedia. With this, I also meant that I don't support the denialist narrative of "the Armenians rebelled, the government deported them", which in a way, justifies the genocide. By saying I don't deny it, I also mean the "neo-denialism" that this report seems to have turned into. You can protect your stance, if my own confession of thoughts and opinions (which, I'm uncomfortable to publicly voice, though in a way, forced to) are not good enough for you. If there is anything worrying about my editorial behavior apart from these false allegations, please make me aware of it. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 08:36, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        El_C, sometimes it feels like you're not reading my whole discussion and focus on just that one comment. If I have to state again, I'll do. That particular comment was rhetorical, Steverci made unsourced additions justifying bombing of a city with ballistic missiles and cluster warheads, without providing any sources that mention anything that could in any way justify the act. That is why, when explaining why his additions are wrong, I made an intentionally false example. If I denied the phenomenon, I'd confess it. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 09:16, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        
        El_C, I've thoroughly commented on every issue you've pointed out, but I'm still in the dark when it comes to why should I get indefinetely blocked. I'm also in favour of other admins commenting on the issue, as I think you're judging too quickly and too harshly for things that wouldn't normally get anyone banned, especially indefinetely. --► Sincerely: Sola Virum 10:00, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by MJL

Before this gets started, I should mention that I was the uninvolved editor who closed the topic/site ban discussion in the aforementioned discussion. As I told Armatura, when that user posted on my talk page, it involved a serious amount of offwiki material as its justification. When Laurel Lodged challenged my closure, I explained to him that the possibility of a topic or site ban getting implemented were still open (if based in onwiki behavoir). Either way, the end result of that thread was no action being taken against Solavirum as mentioned by Steverci. However, it is worth noting that Armatura received a one-way IBAN regarding Solavirum by TonyBallioni. That is not nothing.

Of the diffs presented in the opening statement, only numbers four through 8 have yet to be reviewed by the community. –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 23:40, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@El C: Most of what I wanted to say I said at the AN/I. Since you pinged asking for further feedback, the Armenian war crime category thing was pretty bad but an informal warning should probably be enough of a remedy there. That kind of thing might accepted/acceptable on azwiki, but Solavirum just needs to be more careful while editing enwiki. We have higher standards of neutrality here. –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 20:01, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by CuriousGolden

Looking through the given diffs, none of them suggests any serious behavioural issues and seems more like content disputes. And as User:MJL pointed out, 4 of them have already been reviewed and deemed as not serious enough in the previous ANI report. El_C also seems to think that the diffs don't constitute anything worthy of a sanction.

The main point of the report has since seems to have turned into Solavirum's edit on the Maraga Massacre article. While I agree that Solavirum's edit was definitely not appropriate, it only takes little WP:AGF to see that the user, as they explained, tried to follow a format they saw in another article about a massacre which happened during the same war (which should also probably be changed to the civilian attack infobox template). Solavirum also seems to regret the edit and has apologized for it in one of their comments.

I would say that that the user's single edit on the Maraga Massacre article does not warrant a sanction, especially considering that they understood what was wrong with it when told. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 19:02, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Want to comment on Steverci bringing up the alleged Armenian genocide denial again. This was discussed to great extent in the ANI report, with the conclusion that the user does not deny the genocide. So, the continuous bringing up of this and pushing the narrative that the user is denying the genocide when they clearly have stated that they don't seems quite disruptive to me. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 22:04, 13 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

El_C Exactly that issue was discussed in the ANI report. All of the alleged "neo-denialism" stems from Solavirum's poor-taste intentional false comparison in a talk page. I, for one, find it inappropriate when others push the "genocide denier" tag onto someone when they've stated several times that they do not deny it (has happened to me before with the pusher getting a warn by the end; so I do have sensitivity about the topic), which is why I decided to engage about it. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 22:20, 13 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by AntonSamuel

@El C: Looking at this report, his recent edit on the Maraga massacre article and back at my own earlier experiences with Solavirum - and taking the ideological differences that there seems to be between us into account - if I would try to provide a fair assessment: I would perhaps recommend that it would be a good idea for Solavirum to cool off and take a break from editing articles/material regarding the Nagorno-Kababakh/Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict for a while, and instead contribute to other topics on Wikipedia in order to gain some more experience regarding other topic matters in order to learn a bit more in general, since it seems he can have a hard time seeing clearly on a more basic level, and has some serious skill-learning to do and understanding to gain when it comes to editing Wikipedia neutrally. I have found that he has the ability to follow somewhat reasonable lines of thinking and has reacted relatively reasonably in the past when we've interacted or come into conflict, so I can still see how he would be able to contribute constructively to Wikipedia in the future. AntonSamuel (talk) 20:25, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Buidhe

As for Steverci's points about Armenian Genocide denial, they are spot on (it looks like he found them in the Wikipedia article, recently rewritten and brought to GA status by yours truly). There are multiple points of view as to how the "war crimes" category should be applied but a recent discussion concluded (before the cited edits by Solavirum) that it certainly should be avoided if there is no reliably sourced mention of "war crime" in the article, for basic WP:V reasons. (t · c) buidhe 23:30, 13 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Jr8825

It isn't easy to edit in highly contentious areas, and it takes an especially high degree of competence to contribute neutrally you have strong personal opinions on the topic. It's even more challenging if you're surrounded by a highly partisan media landscape which prints jingoistic propaganda completely free of journalistic integrity or respect for the truth. This is the difficult situation which Azerbaijani editors face in A–A, and while I appreciate the efforts some have made to adhere to NPOV, there comes a point where a complete break from the topic is necessary to protect Wikipedia's (already flawed) articles on the area, and also offers the best opportunity for an editor to grow their experience and editing skills. Solavirum's tendency to push article narratives in favour of Azerbaijan at the expense of Armenia has been been raised repeatedly (I left a diplomatic message on their talk page myself just under a month ago, and they've had plenty of more explicit warnings elsewhere) and I still see a clear pattern of sustained bias. Their latest article, the twice-previously deleted Agdaban massacre illustrates all of the above. It relies on unsubstantiated claims from biased, unreliable media sources and wouldn't have been created by an editor who was capable of carefully weighing the available sources against the basic Wikpedia policies of notability, verifiability and reliable sources. Solavirum's beliefs in this topic area affect their judgement to the extent that they're unable to do this. Solavirum isn't a new user, and the lack of caution and self-awareness about the difficulty of editing neutrally, exemplified by the chain of edits to articles on A–A massacres (one of the most emotive subjects of all), give me little hope that things are likely to change in the short term. Although Solavirum has invested a lot of time and effort in the area, I unfortunately believe these contributions may represent a net negative because of the constant insertion of bias. I'm supportive of a topic ban, with the hope that Solavirum will hone their judgement and skills elsewhere. Jr8825 • Talk 16:43, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Result concerning Solavirum

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At a glance, I'm not seeing anything too egregious. There are occasional polemical excesses, but nothing I've seen thus far is actually giving me serious pause. No genocide denial, either (which would be pretty key). And the the one Armenian war crimes cat addition that I observed had a pertinent HRW ref. As it stands, I'd take no action. El_C 23:27, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

After having added the victory parameter to a massacre today, which full disclosure I just reverted (diff), I now support topic banning Solavirum. El_C 19:35, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Solavirum, might be? Comeon. I'm not buying it. A violent encounter between an armor column and civilians is not a victory-defeat scenerio. It is a massacre, always. That is why the article is titled Maraga massacre. That's such a bizarre edit that I really don't know what to say. El_C 23:54, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Look, Solavirum, I never implied that you "celebrate mass murder of civilians," I don't think that, but what I am saying is that these sort of edits signify a significant competence failure on your part, one which represents a liability for such a fraught topic area. Anyway, that is my assessment for the present moment. Certainly, I intend to consider carefully the views of other editors and other uninvolved admins on the matter. I've no intention to rush anything. El_C 11:22, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Steverci, Solavirum, MJL, TonyBallioni, and AntonSamuel: sorry for the ping spam, everyone. Just noting that it has been nearly 5 days since this report was filed, but I remain the only uninvolved admin to have even looked at the complaint here — with Tony, responding to MJL, both having discussed a recently-imposed one-way IBAN, which, while does not seem directly connected to this specific complaint, should probably still be taken into account here. Anyway, looking above and below on the noticeboard, these singular efforts on my part seem to be par for the course. I'd like to be cautiously optimistic that these are still being early(ish) days... so, sure, I'll do that. Anyway, hopefully, closing this report won't fall squarely on my shoulders, again. Patrolling editors and uninvolved admins, if you have a moment to spare, please take the time to review this complaint. I, for one, could definitely use any additional feedback. Thanks! El_C 18:32, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, CuriousGolden, I appreciate your feedback and am taking your thoughts on the matter into account. Possibly, I'm placing too much emphasis on that one edit...? Will reflect further. El_C 19:13, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, AntonSamuel, for the measured words. Myself, I've had the normally minimal-duration, 3-month topic ban in mind, anyway. But if Solavirum is willing to take a break (months rather than weeks), then I'm happy to log a warning, ~~as MJL suggests~~, instead of imposing a sanction outright. El_C 20:43, 12 February 2021 (UTC) Added: Sorry, just realized that MJL actually suggested an informal warning. Striking to amend. El_C 20:48, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Solavirum, there's 2 things you can do right now. You can choose to have me close this complaint with immediate effect, log a warning, and you can be on your way to start your informal break from the topic area. Or, we can leave this report open for a while longer so that further input can be submitted. Whatever works for you. El_C 21:46, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Solavirum, I've rescinded my above offer per Steverci's latest, at the very least until you can clarify that Category:Massacres of women matter. Thanks everyone, for your collective patience. El_C 00:20, 13 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Steverci, I get you. That is a classic Armenian Genocide denial trope. At the same time, Solavirum also specifically notes that the "genocide" (their word) did happen. The other key part of that canard advances the false narrative that the CUP intended to resettle Armenians rather than kill them. This Solavirum does not, to the best of my knowledge, maintain anywhere. El_C 00:42, 13 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Solavirum, this would, actually, be the place to clear the air, but that's up to you. Anyway, what is the evidence showing that women or men were specifically targeted during that especially heinous massacre? As opposed to them just being murdered at random. Possibly I overlooked something...? El_C 07:36, 13 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

*Solavirum, probably best not to use AA pages as examples. Especially for placing cats somewhat randomly. For example, I just glanced at a few pages listed on Category:Massacres of women, and guess what? Only two of them didn't belong: Khojaly massacre and your restored Agdaban massacre articles. That's a problem, wouldn't you say? El_C 08:51, 13 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Steverci, what can I say? That was astutely put. I concede your cogently-argued, historically-grounded point. El_C 22:02, 13 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

CuriousGolden, this report alleges that this "neo-denialism" is being promoted by Solavirum. The argument that it damages the project, both in reputation and verifiability, is a legitimate one to advance. Quoting WP:STICK at Steverci doesn't seem like an appropriate response. If you don't want to engage, don't engage. But please don't browbeat Steverci not to engage. They authored this complaint and they are entitled to make their case accordingly. El_C 22:14, 13 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

CuriousGolden, please note that this isn't a forum like ANI. This is not a community decision matter. It is an WP:ACDS one (the d stands for discretionary), invoking the authority of WP:ARBAA2. You do not have the authority to tell Steverci what they can or cannot say. Leave that to me and other uninvolved AE admins, if you please. Now, you keep referencing that ANI discussion as if it is a vindication of Solavirum (and your) position. But I do not see it that way. What I am seeing is a fairly muddled discussion, that didn't resolve anything and just sorta burned itself out. The only comment of notable distinction that I was able to immediately glean from it was the one made by Buidhe on Jan 20 (diff), and she isn't at all arguing in favour of what Steverci terms "neo-denialism" as being some sort of a legitimate historical pursuit. El_C 22:45, 13 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Solavirum, CuriousGolden, obviously the factual varsity of the Genocide as having actually occurred is such that arguing it simply didn't happen, like deniers used to do in years past, is unsustainable in respectable circles these days and no longer really a feature of those who now, instead, aim to further these ends by whitewashing or victim blaming. Again, I reiterate Buidhe's note at ANI (see diff above) on the matter. Anyway, my assessment at the present moment is that someone who continues to make these many in-favour-of-their-own-POV "mistakes" (including during this very AE proceeding itself), and adding to that the bluster about the rebellion's exaggerated moment through obvious ahistorical lenses — all of that isn't behaviour that I find to be compatible with this fraught topic area. I'm now leaning at an indefinite ban. El_C 08:18, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Solavirum, calling something false does not make it so. You say that you don't support the denialist narrative of "the Armenians rebelled, the government deported them" — but less than a month ago, you write, in part that: which happened because of a century-old genocide, which happened because of the Armenian revolts, which happened because of the rising Armenian nationalism, and so on (diff). Look, maybe there's greater nuance to that parallel, but I, for one, am having difficulties seeing it. Still, even regardless of that matter, as I mention directly above, several in-favour-of-own-POV errors have proven disconcerting enough to me that I feel the remedy ought to be of considerable severity. El_C 08:53, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Solavirum, you feel I'm being unresponsive, I feel like you're being unresponsive, what can I say? Anyway, I don't really have anything further to add at this time. So, unless another admin steps in soon, because this complaint has been open for nearly a week now, my thinking is that it should be closed soon(ish). But I'm happy to wait a while longer before doing so. El_C 09:24, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Solavirum, just because you're responding (tersely), doesn't mean you're also being responsive. I'm still in the dark when it comes to why should I get indefinitely blocked. Uh, a WP:BLOCK hasn't been on the table at any time. As mentioned, the sanction I have in mind is a WP:TBAN. El_C 14:09, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Responding to MJL’s ping: the one-way IBAN I imposed didn’t take into account anything other than conduct that existed in a grey area of the oversight policy. We’d to my knowledge never had a specific case like this before (public information on another project that would have been suppressed in an instant on en.wiki), and so the simplest solution was to issue an IBAN under DS since several oversighters agreed the content in question was a violation of our harassment policy, if not suppressable. Someone who is being harassed can be problematic at the same time. I’m not saying there is an issue here, just that my actions aren’t that relevant. TonyBallioni (talk) 00:00, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

NomanPK44

Indef BROADLY IPA TBAN imposed. El_C 15:11, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Request concerning NomanPK44

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: Srijanx22 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 14:55, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: NomanPK44 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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Sanction or remedy to be enforced: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/India-Pakistan :

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

24 January: Removes large content on Smuggling tunnel by falsely claiming that the content backed by reliable sources such as The Hindu, Hindustan Times, The Indian Express lacks "Reliable source". After getting reverted, he doubles down by shouting that " ALL ARE PRIMARY NO ONE IS RELIABLE".
5 February: Restores an edit on Balochistan Liberation Army which replaced reliable news source ThePrint and replaced it with a blog, and used edit summary that: "How can an INDIAN WEBSITE become a reliable source? LOL"[2]
10 February: Modifies results on Battle of Chawinda by linking to a discussion and deliberately ignoring the more recent discussion which superseded the former.
11 February: Added 24k bytes of content on Indo-Pakistani War of 1965,[3] and restored his edit after getting reverted without gaining consensus in violation of WP:BRD and basically reverting until 1RR limit of this page was over.[4]

These diffs come after he was blocked by El C for 2 weeks from Insurgency in Balochistan for violating 1RR and misrepresenting sources.[5]

His talk page history shows he is unresponsive to the concerns raised on his talk page, as such this disruption needs to be stopped. Srijanx22 (talk) 14:55, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

2 weeks partial block from Insurgency in Balochistan from January 2021.[6]
1 week block for sockpuppetry in May 2020.

If discretionary sanctions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts): [7]

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested: [8]

Discussion concerning NomanPK44

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Statement by NomanPK44

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Result concerning NomanPK44

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Arbitration enforcement action appeal by NomanPK44

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Appealing user: NomanPK44 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) – NomanPK44 (talk) 18:24, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sanction being appealed: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/India-Pakistan

Administrator imposing the sanction: El_C (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)

Notification of that administrator: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:El_C&diff=1006403252&oldid=1006403185

Statement by NomanPK44

I removed the edit from here [9] because ThePrint is not a reliable source for Balochistan Liberation Army as it has been speculated that it has been supported by India so only third party sources are considered reliable after that I also added a reliable source on that page for the correct size of them[10]. Now if you look to Smuggling tunnel edit I removed the text because it was added using only INDIAN SOURCES no other media source was present there it clearly looks like to be against Pakistan. Because the section was about India-Pakistan so a third-party source should be reliable in this matter rather than all INDIAN SOURCES. Now if you look into the third one [11] I modified it by linking an closed WP:RFC Talk:Battle_of_Chawinda/Archive_1#DID_the_battle_lead_to_Major_Pakistani_victory? while the other discussion here is not closed yet. Now on the last edit [12] another user already told me to go to the talk page and also told me that it is a friendly warning and I already have opened a discussion on the talk page after that [13]NomanPK44 (talk) 18:24, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by El_C

The diff that I cite in the sanction notice as an example reads (in full): Undid revision 1004538012 by Georgethedragonslayer (talk) How can an INDIAN WEBSITE become a reliable source? LOL (diff). Need I really say more? It doesn't matter about NomanPK44's contention in this appeal of there needing to be 3rd-party sources. Placing that argument aside, how difficult would it be to just say that, dispassionately? All that bluster about an INDIAN WEBSITE in all-caps and the LOL, that's simply too much for this fraught topic area. And that's just one example among several.

Not sure if other AE admins are with me on this (hopefully!), but I am at the point now of just not wanting to let IPA misconduct be overlooked any longer, for whatever reason, and generally am interested in setting a higher standard in this key topic area with respect to following up trouble with enforcement, firmly so. Noting also my pervious AE action against the appellant a month ago, involving a 2-week partial block from the Insurgency in Balochistan mainspace article due to a 1RR violation (see WP:AEL#India-Pakistan for my log entry). El_C 18:58, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps it's worth noting that I regret being too lenient with disruptive IPA users in the past. An example could be seen here: User_talk:El_C#Casperti. And though that particular ban reinstatement happened after this appellant was sanctioned, it is nonetheless emblematic of this excessive leniency on my part (excessive not just in this topic area, but in general, though that is a tale best told elsewhere). So, the time to pivot is due. El_C 08:36, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Srijanx22

As the filer of the report which resulted in topic ban, I would recommend declining because NomanPk44 sees nothing wrong with any of his edits and justifies his edits over what "has been speculated" and continued doubling downing with his poor understanding of what is WP:RS. Srijanx22 (talk) 19:16, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by (involved editor 2)

Discussion among uninvolved editors about the appeal by NomanPK44

Result of the appeal by NomanPK44

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Not seeing any actual argument for overturning here. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 17:20, 15 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I think NomanPK44 would benefit from using the topic ban as an opportunity to practice identifying reliable sources and resolving disputes in less controversial topic areas. Independent publications are not automatically considered primary or unreliable due to the country they are based in, regardless of whether the topic is related to the country. If a section that cites Indian sources would benefit from available Pakistani sources, the preferred action would be to add those sources rather than to delete the existing Indian sources. Alternatively, one can tag the section for due weight and discuss it on the talk page. The explanation for editing against recent consensus in Special:Diff/1006082702 is unsatisfactory, since it does not admit error. Violating 1RR twice in the topic area in just over a month is another negative indicator. I recommend declining this appeal.
@NomanPK44: I noticed that you violated the topic ban by editing the List of wars involving Pakistan article at Special:Diff/1007087462 on 16 February 2021. Please refrain from making any edits about India-, Pakistan-, or Afghanistan-related topics, broadly construed, until your topic ban is successfully appealed. The standard time frame to wait before appealing an indefinite topic ban is a minimum of 6 months. During this period, please focus on less controversial topics, and review the reliable sources guideline and the guide to dispute resolution. — Newslinger talk 23:42, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mclarenfan17 (follow-up IP report)

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Request concerning Mclarenfan17

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: Tvx1 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 23:01, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: Mclarenfan17 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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Sanction or remedy to be enforced: Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Motorsports
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Additional comments by editor filing complaint

I'm reporting 1.129.108.95 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) per the instructions in the outcome of the recent arbitration request. The IP made a number of edits in the same generale style and purpose of the edits of this user and edited the a group of articles they frequently edited. The IP also strems from the range they generally use.T v x1 23:01, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Update: The user has now directly reverted an edit of mine (in fact a blanket revert of a series of edits I had executed), which is another direct violation of the interaction ban.T v x1 03:59, 13 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

One remark to Robert McClenon's statement. I think requiring that the person simply limits themself to using the Mclarenfan17 account could also be an option. As far as I can understand it has been truly established that they cannot access that account anymore.T v x1 17:10, 13 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Black Kite: what concerns me the most is that the first of the edits you referred to directly reverted a set of edits of mine, which is a clear violation of the interaction ban.T v x1 02:46, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

12 February 23:02 (UTC)

Discussion concerning Mclarenfan17

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Statement by Mclarenfan17

I find Tvx1's claims to be made in bad faith. I am largely retired these days; I have been doing a bit of editing recently because of virus restrictions. When he first posted here, he could not cite a single edit that he believed that I had made. He even posted to this page a few days ago and was told that he needed something more concrete. Furthermore, Tvx1 made this edit at 22:31 GMT. It ignored a consensus which was established on the article talk page. Then at 23:01 GMT, Tvx1 posted here at arbitration enforcement claiming that I have been circumventing the terms of arbitration, even though he had no proof of it. Tvx1 is well aware that there is only a small handful of regular editors to that article. In effect, he has made an edit that ignored a consensus, them came here almost immediately to try and have sanctions imposed against me to shut me out of the editing process, if I was ever involved in it to begin with; I was, but given that he could not point to any edits that I had allegedly made, this has clearly been done in bad faith. He has not made any other contributions to that article except to circumvent a consensus, and his interest in the topic waned when I went into semi-retirement last year. Tvx1 has a history of ignoring consensus and of wikilawyering, both of which were acknowledged in the original arbitration discussion by the arbitration committee. I think he is trying to use arbitration enforcement to shut editors he disagrees with out of the editing process so that he can then ignore a consensus that he personally dislikes.

Furthermore, the device that I edit from has a dynamic IP address. While I am aware of this, I do not know how to switch it off. So while I might appear to be hopping between IP addresses, everything that I have done has been done in good faith. I am not trying to circumvent the arbitration ruling and have generally avoided Tvx1 since I became active again. 1.129.108.95 (talk) 05:36, 13 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Robert McClenon

I don't know exactly what is meant by an explicit one-account restriction, but I will either suggest or agree with the idea that unregistered editing should be disallowed in the motorsports area, at least in articles that User:Tvx1 has edited.

I have tried in the past to be neutral in this dispute because I was previously trying to act as a neutral mediator, but McLarenfan17 has made it impossible for me to be neutral. As a scientist and a historian of science by education, I apply Occam's Razor, which is to use the simplest explanation. The simplest explanation of this motorsports dispute between two editors is that Prisonermonkeys / Mclarenfan17 is gaming the system by the use of IP addresses. It no longer matters whether they have lost their password a second time, or whether they lost it a first time. They know how to create a third account, and their failure to do so can only be explained by trying to game the system and evade the interaction ban.

Their statements that Tvx1 is acting in bad faith are a handwave to distract attention from the way that they are acting in bad faith. The way that they can re-establish good faith would be to create a third account.

I think that the human who has been User:Prisonermonkeys and User:Mclarenfan17 should be given a choice of two options. First, create a third account and edit only from it, and never from IP addresses. Second, completely retire from Wikipedia and make no edits in the motorsports area. In either case, motorsports articles should be semi-protected. If the human who has been Mclarenfan17 does not agree to one of the two choices, then either the admins at AE or the ArbCom or the community should ban the human, and treat all such edits as edits by a banned user.

That's my opinion. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:40, 13 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

User:GoodDay - They aren't being allowed to edit logged out. They are editing logged out. The last time that this happened, they said it was because they had lost their password. Either they have lost their password again, or they are choosing to edit logged out. One of the key aspects of this case is how to restrict them from editing logged out. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:38, 13 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment by GoodDay

Clarification needed. Why is any editor being allowed to edit signed-out, when they have a registered account? GoodDay (talk) 17:27, 13 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

His IP range should be blocked, as it appears as though the editor-in-question is giving the figurative 'middle finger' to the project. There comes a point, when the project has to acknowledge when an individual 'may be' -bleeping around- with them. GoodDay (talk) 21:48, 13 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Tvx1, a lot of IPs edit those high-traffic pages. Is there a way that you're able to better connect the IP to the original account? Because I don't feel that I have that much to go on here, though possibly other admins are able to see what I'm missing. El_C 23:41, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Never mind, it is them — self identified, see: User_talk:El_C#Arbitration_enforcement. But seeing as communication has began, perhaps there will be a simple resolution that will spare any possible whac-a-mole worst case scenario. El_C 00:15, 13 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Guerillero, for what it's worth, I've already insisted on that. El_C 01:59, 13 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm very tempted to ask arbcom for an explicit one account restriction. --In actu (Guerillero) ^{Parlez Moi} 01:23, 13 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I am completely in agreement with Robert McClenon. There's no point in an interaction ban if it is to be gamed like this. Black Kite (talk) 18:44, 13 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

And now he's edit-warring on 2021 World Rally Championship (history), currently up to 3RR. Black Kite (talk) 23:18, 13 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Black Kite: I wonder if we should range block 1.129.108.0/24 --In actu (Guerillero) ^{Parlez Moi} 02:04, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've partial-blocked the /24 from Article and Talk namespaces for a week. He can still come and discuss the issue here then. Didn't want to make it much longer than that because there is a (small) amount of collateral. Black Kite (talk) 02:58, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Guerillero Back on a different range? 1.144.105.189? It's impossible to block Telstra, it's a massive range and there's so much collateral. Black Kite (talk) 01:40, 18 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mr DipakSingh

Blocked indefinitely as a normal admin action. El_C 20:54, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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18:33, 13 February 2021: Changed "militant" to "patriot" in Bajrang Dal, including in the titles of two cited sources, contradicting the cited academic sources
18:36, 13 February 2021: Changed "militant" to "patriot" in Bajrang Dal, including in the title of a cited source, contradicting the cited academic sources
18:49, 13 February 2021: Posted threat on User talk:Mr DipakSingh – "I just removed the militant word, okay. If you block me, I will destroy the entire Wikipedia system from India."
13:38, 14 February 2021: Posted threat and personal attack on User talk:Mr DipakSingh – "This is not a idiotic childish threats, take it seriously i will public this discussion on microblogging portal, i think you are Islamic pro agent. Am i right?"
19:48, 14 February 2021‎: Changed "militant" to "patriot" in Bajrang Dal, contradicting the cited academic sources

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Uhhibi

Blocked indefinitely as a normal admin action. El_C 22:24, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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User who is submitting this request for enforcement: Newslinger (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 20:19, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Before alert

17:51, 17 February 2021: Personal attack on Talk:Love Jihad – "Newslinger clearly has very biased views and obvious hatred towards a particular religion..."
17:53, 17 February 2021: Personal attack on Talk:Love Jihad – "Newslinger clearly has very biased views and obvious hatred towards a particular religion..."
17:55, 17 February 2021: Personal attack on Talk:Love Jihad – "I mean just look at newlinger's history and previous talks/discussions and its very clear that he/she has extremist, racist and discriminatory views!"

After alert

18:43, 17 February 2021: Casting aspersions on Talk:Love Jihad – "You talk about neutrality and censorship, WHY DID YOU DELETE MY DISCUSSION AS SOON AS YOU'RE PROPAGANDA WAS BEING REVEALED? I wrote a lengthy answer citing academic sources and links to provide proof for my arguement, which you conveniently deleted, this is CYBERBULLYING!" A check of Special:Contributions/Uhhibi shows that Uhhibi has not added any "academic sources" or "links" to their comments, and a check of the page history of Talk:Love Jihad shows that I have never deleted any of Uhhibi's comments.
18:45, 17 February 2021: Casting aspersions on Talk:Love Jihad – "The fact that you had to delete my discussion takes away my right to free speech! And that you were guilty conscious!" See #1.
19:10, 17 February 2021: Casting aspersions on Talk:Love Jihad – "I listed numerous arguements, citations and links to show how you're sweing hatred and propaganda to hurt religious sentiments of a religion while spreading misinformation and a biased opinion, while i gave many examples for the same! Which obviously you deleted so you wouldn't have to face the consequences!" See #1.
20:06, 17 February 2021: Personal attack and casting aspersions on Talk:Love Jihad – "Hey look, you're clearly not one person, an organization or bot of some kind, so I'm gonna stop arguing now since you're obviously paid to spread false propaganda and hatred, so please go ahead, but just for the record to any human who reads this, I had an entire another discussion that NEWSLINGER had removed. In which, i cited academic proofs, links, examples and arguments." See #1.

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My very best wishes

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Request concerning My very best wishes

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: Mhorg (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 06:59, 18 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

The user removed with confidence a huge amount of data of the past of politician Alexei Navalny (approximately 7 years of documented pro-nationalist facts and political views from 2007-2013), mainly the controversial one (together with RS), justifying itself in the many (on purpose?) engulfed wall-text-discussions we had [14][15][16][17][18] mainly in this way: "the page is very big, and we should focus on facts of his biography",[19] abusing everywhere, in my opinion, of the magic word "Undue weight". Or "his views on various political events that had happen many years ago are unimportant",[20] confusing Wikipedia for LinkedIn. I want to specify that I didn't add much to the article, all the controversial parts were already there. I just added tons of RS (from Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources) and released hundreds of comments in the discussions in a polite manner (I hope) and always open to mediation. I find myself compelled to fill this request because I am exhausted and I think the user is acting disruptively, skillfully walking on the edge of Wiki rules.

03:51, 9 February 2021 Removal of controversial Narod movement (2007), accusing weak sources, instead of seeking RS, justifying it with "Undue weight" (RS [21] [22] [23])
16:51, 12 February 2021 Not collaborating: He questions Narod's existence and asks for the website url.[24] I gave him the archived website.[25] His answer: "This is internet garbage".
21:29, 9 February 2021 Removal of references to Navalny on Anti-Georgian sentiment (RS [26] [27]) for "Undue focus". Read the answer [28] from User: Kober
20:40, 15 February 2021 Removal of the Russo-Georgian war and racial slurs, (RS [29] [30] [31] [32] [33]) and the nationalist campaign, (RS [34] [35]) denying that the consensus for that part was reached in TP. [36]
00:57, 17 February 2021 Not accepting consensus, changing argument in front of evidence in the summary of the user's statements [37]
04:24, 11 February 2021 Deliberate distortion of the RS, to omit that Navalny declared himself a "Nationalist-democrat", as User:RenatUK reported [38]
04:27, 11 February 2021 Removal of controversial content on the support to 2013 ethnic riots for "Undue weight" (RS [39] [40])
04:06, 11 February 2021 Removal of controversial content on Russian march and nationalist campaign, including RS, for "Undue weight" (RS [41] [42] [43] [44])
21:01, 12 February 2021 Removal of controversial NAROD-Navalny's videos and accusing TheGuardian,[45] Telegraph,[46] NYTimes,[47] FinancialTimes,[48] Politico [49] having produced "defamatory content".[50]
23:06, 13 February 2021 Removal of any reference to the nationalists, despite what the RS says.[51]
18:25, 16 February 2021 Coincidences: supports the innocence of a banned user accused of sockpuppetry who took sides for the removal of contents on Navalny.[52] At the same time he supports the guilt of a user accused of sockpuppetry [53] who was in favor of maintaining the contents. Wasn't it better to avoid taking sides?
06:21, 11 February 2021 wikihounding?: reverts my old edits, then self-reverts.[54] (For fun?)
17:15, 15 February 2021 wikihounding/defaming?: takes one of my first edits in 2015 and accuses me of sponsoring terrorism because I used two semi-primary sources of small fighting formations in the war in the Donbass to prove their existence.
21:49, 15 February 2021 wikihounding?: he reverts my old edits with RS, always on controversial content on Vitalii Markiv's trial for "Undue weight".
15:37, 16 February 2021 wikihounding?: he reverts my old edits, always on controversial content: Myrotvorets. Instead of adjusting the contents, he removes everything, even the RS.

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Additional comments by editor filing complaint

In response to the accusations of WP:NOTHERE, of being connected to that site, they arose when I began to trace the movements that seemed to me suspicious about what was happening around that article [55]. Since then they begun to make personal accusations (User:Nicoljaus was already warned by admins [56]) to divert attention (such as the accusation of promoting terrorism or criminal acts... taking an edit from 2015)[57]. My edits are public, I invite you to tell me where I had disruptive and "promotional" behavior, tell me where I deleted parts of well sourced articles, or completely distorted articles, tell me where I engaged discussion for POV pushing. My behavior on Wikipedia is tracked and clear. Maybe I will not know all the rules of the English Wikipedia, maybe sometimes I will have used sources not really reliable (I got a culture with this battle on the Navalny's article). Accusing me of being a malicious user is very offensive.--Mhorg (talk) 09:30, 18 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

GizzyCatBella I tried to open a Dispute resolution before [58], I was forced to ask for it to be deleted, because the My very best wishes user began to delete or question not only the Russo-Georgian war, but all the controversial parts of the article (and in my opinion he did it specifically to engulf the discussions). So, then the admin who kindly helped me to fill in the Dispute resolution request, suggested that for this kind of disputies it would be better to use "Arbitration Enforcement"--Mhorg (talk) 09:37, 18 February 2021 (UTC) - modified 10:47, 18 February 2021[reply]

Since I understand that the strategy will be to discredit me personally, rather than answer for the unfair actions that are leading to the destruction of the Navalny article, I will do one thing I have not yet done, which is to investigate what users were doing before. User "My very best wishes" just removed yesterday (coincidence?) a clearly pro-Navalny statement in its sandbox last night.[59] I don't think having personal opinions on a particular politician is a crime, even for a Wikipedia user, I think it's normal. What is not normal is to act in a malevolent way, removing 7 years of positions considered controversial not by me, but from the RS from all over the world.--Mhorg (talk) 11:27, 18 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Discussion concerning My very best wishes

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I think it's enough to look at the "Top edited pages" of Mhorg [61] and the VoxKomm main page [62] to see almost a complete intersection by topics. Obviously, the user here is just WP:NOTHERE.--Nicoljaus (talk) 09:05, 18 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by GizzyCatBella

It looks like AE is being used to win content disputes to me. - GizzyCatBella🍁 09:28, 18 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Result concerning My very best wishes

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Note that I was asked to investigate this dispute, singularly (User_talk:El_C#Operation_Whitewash_on_Alexei_Navalny's_article), as an AE matter, but declined. I still don't really have time to look into this in too much depth, but I would like to reaffirm Mhorg citation of what I said to My very best wishes a few days ago about the nation of Ukraine not setting the tone in designating pro-Russian separatist groups as terrorist organizations (diff). Ukraine certainly does not have anything remotely resembling the gravitas of such designations as listed by the US Dept. of State in their United States Department of State list of Foreign Terrorist Organizations. Also noting a recent related warning from a few days ago which I had issued Nicoljaus with in the course of this dispute (diff). Their extremely terse accusation above that Mhorg is NOTHERE does not inspire confidence, I'm afraid, about Nicoljaus toning down on the WP:ASPERSIONS. What is that VoxKomm link even about? I can't make any sense of it. The AE noticeboard isn't a free-for-all, Nicoljaus.

That said, not sure why Mhorg would call attention to MVBW's edits to their own sandbox (diff). That space is for MVBW to do with as they see fit. I'd also point out to Mhorg that in one of the pages where they claimed MVBW was HOUNDING them, MVBW had actually edited that page before them. Notwithstanding all of that, my first impulse (such as it is) is that this isn't actually as one-sided as some of the participants above make it out to be. Finally, Mhorg, remember what I told you about the AE noticeboard having a word-limit? Please make note of that (didn't count, but it does look pretty close to the limit, at the very least). You may wish to trim in order to continue participating. El_C 17:09, 18 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

[1] The administrator may indicate consent at any time before, during, or after imposition of the restriction.

[2] This criterion does not apply if the original action was imposed as a result of rough consensus at the arbitration enforcement noticeboard, as there would be no single enforcing administrator.

[3] Kaligian, Dikran (2014). "Anatomy of Denial: Manipulating Sources and Manufacturing a Rebellion". Genocide Studies International. 8 (2): 9. doi:10.3138/gsi.8.2.06.

[4] Aybak, Tunç (2016). "Geopolitics of Denial: Turkish State's 'Armenian Problem'". Journal of Balkan and Near Eastern Studies. 18 (2): 13. doi:10.1080/19448953.2016.1141582.

[5] Suny, Ronald Grigor (2015). "They Can Live in the Desert but Nowhere Else": A History of the Armenian Genocide. Princeton University Press. pp. xii–xiii. ISBN 978-1-4008-6558-1. {{cite book}}: Unknown parameter |lay-url= ignored (help)

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+*Note that I was asked to investigate this dispute, singularly ([[User_talk:El_C#Operation_Whitewash_on_Alexei_Navalny's_article]]), as an AE matter, but declined. I still don't really have time to look into this in too much depth, but I would like to reaffirm {{u|Mhorg}} citation of what I said to {{u|My very best wishes}} a few days ago about the nation of Ukraine ''not'' setting the tone in designating pro-Russian separatist groups as terrorist organizations ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AMhorg&type=revision&diff=1006939793&oldid=1006639016 diff]). Ukraine certainly does not have anything remotely resembling the gravitas of such designations as listed by the US Dept. of State in their [[United States Department of State list of Foreign Terrorist Organizations]]. Also noting a recent related warning from a few days ago which I had issued {{u|Nicoljaus}} with in the course of this dispute ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ANicoljaus&type=revision&diff=1006900579&oldid=1006600733 diff]). Their extremely ''terse'' accusation above that Mhorg is NOTHERE does not inspire confidence, I'm afraid, about Nicoljaus toning down on the [[WP:ASPERSIONS]]. What is that ''VoxKomm'' link even about? I can't make any sense of it. The AE noticeboard isn't a free-for-all, Nicoljaus.
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+:That said, not sure why Mhorg would call attention to MVBW's edits to their own sandbox ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:My_very_best_wishes/sandbox&diff=prev&oldid=1007397363 diff]). That space is for MVBW to do with as they see fit. I'd also point out to Mhorg that in one of the pages where they claimed MVBW was HOUNDING them, MVBW had actually edited that page ''before'' them. Notwithstanding all of that, my first impulse (such as it is) is that this isn't actually as one-sided as some of the participants above make it out to be. Finally, Mhorg, remember what I told you about the AE noticeboard having a word-limit? Please make note of that (didn't count, but it does look pretty close to the limit, at the very least). You may wish to trim in order to continue participating. [[User:El_C|El_C]] 17:09, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

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