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Saying hello to the community

Hi, just saying that I've been a user on Wikipedia for 19 or so years, but have only occasionally edited or added an article. I have never engaged with the community much, but recently I have intensified my Wikipedia work somewhat and thus wanted to introduce myself -- I'm Podstawko (Adam in real life), work in IT but have a wide variety of interests otherwise, actually I suffer from overfocusing on new interests and falling into various rabbit holes. I would love to contribute to Wikipedia much more than I have so far. My  contributions are split between Polish and English wikipedias, so I'll be building my reputation 2x slower than an average English contributor :) Some tips on where most help is needed would be welcome, I guess Wikipedia:Backlog is one of the places to go, any other hints? In any case, hello and happy to be a part of the Wikipedia Community! Podstawko (talk) 09:32, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, back! Even though you've been around for 19 years, welcome to the English Wikipedia, Podstawko. As far as what to do, you could check the Task center, and I also encourage you to sign up with or visit the project pages for various WP:WikiProjects, which will give you some ideas of things that need doing. Finally, there's User:SuggestBot, which will suggest some articles that may be of interest to you, based on your past editing history. Good luck! Mathglot (talk) 09:47, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

When I first got stuck into editing, I checked out SPECIAL:HOMEPAGE which you can set up and it gives you suggested articles to improve on varying levels of difficulty. Qcne (talk) 10:05, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

As you are multilingual, you might want to have a look at pages needing translation; I am sure we have some articles which have been translated from Polish, and need some sprucing up. Example: Paprzyca coat of arms. Cheers. Lectonar (talk) 11:03, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello Mathglot and Lectonar. Thank you for the tips; I have already bookmarked User:SuggestBot, Wikipedia:Task Center, Wikipedia:WikiProject and SPECIAL:HOMEPAGE, and based on Lectonar's advice I started looking into the translation needs and even suggested one of the new articles... for deletion! (Which is a first for me.) Exciting! Thank you again and I'm looking forward to contribute much more. Podstawko (talk) 13:20, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello! Professor Penguino (talk) 18:43, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello! Podstawko (talk) 20:51, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Welcome back to Wikipedia! Davest3r08 (talk) 01:08, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you @Davest3r08! Podstawko (talk) 20:47, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

No problem. Davest3r08 (talk) 16:42, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Notable people

Is there any policy surrounding "notable people" lists in articles on cities? Should the lists themselves be included or not? If so, what constitutes notable; as in what is the scope – just born in the city, actively contributed to its history?

My question stems from an edit to the page on Oruro to include a person born in the city but who is otherwise only notable for actions in a different country entirely. I initially removed the entry, but the original editor correctly pointed out that the figure themself is notable, even if the connection to the city they're from is minimal. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 08:03, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Does WP:LISTPEOPLE help? There are some exceptions, but in general any list of people in an article should consist of blue links. Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:31, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

"Born in" is usually allowed to stand, even if notability occured when the person lived elsewhere. Another example is a notable person who lived in a community for a short period of time. This can be seen for professional athletes who move when traded to other teams, or no longer an active athlete. David notMD (talk) 09:43, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

In my experience, these lists usually lack clear inclusion criteria and reliable sources, and have a tendency to bloat over time. In my view, it would be better to cover this sort of content in prose, ideally using a small number of sources that explicitly discuss who's notable from a place, rather than with lists of everyone for whom there's a source saying they're from a place or lived there. Cordless Larry (talk) 10:23, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

They can also be "included"by adding a city category to the people. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:33, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Krisgabwoosh their birthplace should be a certainty for inclusion, no matter what.

The place where they are raised should also be a certainty imo.

The place where they live or have lived as adults is the only questionable one, as some people move around more than others.

There's a few people who have popped into my head...

• An actor/writer/comedian - Born in Bradford. Raised all over the place, but mainly in Pocklington. University educated in Manchester. And has lived in Exeter for most of his life. Bradford, Pocklington and Exeter can legitimately claim he's from there in a list, although Manchester is only worthy of a "educated at this university" category addition imo.
• A former child TV actress, who now is a stage actress - Born somewhere in Southern Asia where there was a war (I can't remember where). Moved to Bradford when she was 7, and was raised here. And has lived in London for all her adult life. All 3 places can include her in a list imo.
• A film and theatre actor - Born in Bradford. Moved to Dublin when he was 5, and was raised there. Lived in the USA for the rest of his life. Again, all 3 can claim he's from there in a list. However he will always be English to me, whether he claimed to be Irish or not, as birthplaces are the most important factor of nationality to me.
• A film and TV actress from my city - Born in Bradford. Raised in Bradford. Lives in Bradford. However she lived in around 5 different neighbourhoods (some of which think they're separate from the city) growing up, one of which she can barely remember. Plus the one time she mentions it, the journalist who wrote the article spelt the neighbourhood incorrectly, so apparently it can't be used as proof according to some Wikipedia admins, even though there isn't a neighbourhood with that incorrectly spelt name in the city. With her it's much simpler to just say she's from the city as a whole, as trying to narrow it down to 1 specific neighbourhood (like some people like to do), when she's lived in 5 different neighbourhoods, will just cause arguments.

Danstarr69 (talk) 21:41, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

That seems to check out. I think I've come to the opinion that "notable people" lists do little that categories don't already, and contribute to bloat. In the absence of any standards prohibiting them, though, I guess I'll leave it at that.

P.S.: That last point about the neighborhood spelling gave me a chuckle. I love Wikipedia, but oh do we argue about nothing, ha, ha. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 01:01, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Most readers are unlikely to look at the categories, but will see the lists. Kk.urban (talk) 05:49, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Just to further bolster this point, I used to explore en.wiki via categories, but now that I primarily navigate in the mobile app, I honestly don't even know how to view categories on any given page: if available for mobile readers, they're certainly not prominent. Chiselinccc (talk) 18:34, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

is there software to auto-format wiki-references?

I see, that some editors are able to qucikly create cited references in a complex formate like . I wonder, if they use software, which allows for such automativ formtating. Walter Tau (talk) 16:03, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

References

• @Walter Tau : There are many Citation tools that can help with this. Personally, I use ProveIt for most of my citations. It isn't perfect, but a lot faster than inputting everything manually. —Kusma (talk) 16:08, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

thank you very much for your reply. I suspected, that something like Citation tools existed, but I did not know, what they were called. I shall look the links you provided. Let's make wiki better together :) Walter Tau (talk) 16:14, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

@Walter Tau: I make heavy use of toolbars to input references using the DOI or URL. But for books I use a google books link, and I would have to manually add the page number. Then later I run citation bot to fix dates and fill some other identifiers. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 22:00, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Like @Graeme Bartlett, I have also found the toolbar to be sufficient for creating citations. — Mugtheboss (talk) 16:37, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your responses. I my real life outside wiki, I use EndNote to format references in documents. Unfortunately, Clarivate would not accept my request to make an EndNote reference style for wikipedia. However, if Wikipedia Foundation makes such a request (there is no fees involved), Clarivate would honor such request. How do I get Wiki to make such request?

Hello, Walter Tau. and welcome to the Teahouse. I don't know if there is any way to do this, but the place to discuss it is at the village pump - not sure which section of it would be most appropriate. --ColinFine (talk) 17:18, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

I have also found that ChatGPT can convert a reference in text form to a templated wikitext form. However I do not know how reliable it is at that job as I have only done it a few times. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:35, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Walter Tau I am not sure if reFill is similar to what you are looking for, but I often use it myself to rapidly construct structured references from bare URLs. Hopefully it is of some use to you as well. ~Liance^talk 07:45, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Images

how do i include images and/or videos to an article Miley (talk) 10:28, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

@Divalicio: Hello, I suggest you read Help:Introduction to images with VisualEditor to add images to an article. —Matr1x-101 _{(Ping me when replying)} {_{user page} ^{(@ commons)} - _talk} 11:50, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

It is confusing that you are User:Divalicio but you have chosen to "Miley" to show as your signature. David notMD (talk) 12:16, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

I chose Divalicio because whenever i tried entering Miley it would just say that the name is already taken Miley (talk) 12:18, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

@Divalicio Please don't ask the same question in multiple places, as it wastes time of those who reply, as I did at Wikipedia:Help_desk#Picture. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:21, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

And please read Wikipedia:Signature forgery and ensure your signature complies with policy. Shantavira|^{feed me} 13:25, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

@Divalicio I will add to the chorus of editors who have requested (the rest on your talk page) that you cease with the personal attacks and uncivil language immediately. Wikipedia is not a random social media forum where you can call people names and speak rudely to them, it is an encyclopedia. I reverted an edit in which you inserted something along the lines of "I'm a little dumbie" into another editor's *very* patient and helpful advice to you, you are not allowed to alter other people's comments here, especially to add a personal attack. Chiselinccc (talk) 19:53, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

template for American football standings (historical)

I am working on some interconnected sports pages (in American intercollegiate sports) and am trying to add to a series of annual standings already in Wikipedia. I keep getting blocked, most recently by someone saying my submission is "contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia" or some such nonsense. There are already dozens, if not hundreds, of similar annual standings templates in Wikipedia, and I am only trying to add to them, reflecting my own research. How to I resolve this, or am I permanently blocked from doing so for some reason? Dracydni (talk) 18:41, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

I noted two concerning things in your question. You stated that you were trying to "reflect your own research" which is not allowed as per Wikipedia:No original research. Additionally, you said that there were hundreds of other templates like the ones you were trying to create. You were trying to create an article, not a template, which require reliable sources, and not just a list of standings. I hope this helped you and happy editing! Industrial Insect (talk) 14:34, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

I have been editing the article "Indiana Intercollegiate Conference" and would like to add to the list of football standings at the bottom of the article. The standings for the years 1931-42, 1945, and 1946 are already there. For reasons I cannot understand, I am being blocked from adding other years as I compile those statistical facts.

I apologize for misusing the word "research." What I am doing is compiling statistical facts. There are no theories or opinions involved here. I'm just compiling wins and losses for football teams in the 1920s and 1930s. These are of the same nature as compilations of statistical facts that are already in Wikipedia (14 of them for this same conference, for the years noted above). I think one problem is that I am not using the proper terminology (article? template?) for what I am trying to do. The standings for each of the years has a stand-alone existence in Wikipedia so that seems to be where I have to start, but I can't get past the draft stage without having someone block me. For example, I have built 1928 to look just like the other years, and have the sources footnoted, but it is still sitting there in limbo.

I have put up new pages and made nearly 2,000 edits in the past, and I have never encountered this kind of obstacle. I would appreciate any help you might offer me. Dracydni (talk) 15:41, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

@Dracydni I think the problem, from what I could see, Is that you were trying to make a new article instead of simply editing it. Also, it seems that the game standings are already in the article. Industrial Insect (talk) 14:06, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Redirecting

I'm trying to write a page for the first time, how do I make so someone will be redirected to my page if they type in a certain word or phrase? Welcome back bro (talk) 22:48, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

@Welcome back bro: Welcome to the Teahouse! See the information at WP:Redirect. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 01:20, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, so in the brackets of this: #REDIRECT [[target page name here]] Would I place the page I want to redirect to or the page I want to redirect from? If it's the page I want to redirect to, how do I get it to redirect from a certain word or phrase? Thank you! Welcome back bro (talk) 02:15, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

@Welcome back bro: There are several examples on WP:Redirect, such as the page Colour contains #REDIRECT [[Color]], which redirects you to the article called Color. GoingBatty (talk) 02:44, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

@Welcome back bro I see that you are working on Draft:Steklyannaya Garmonika (Film) and it may be that you are wondering how in future there could be a redirect to this from its English translation of "Glass Harmonica". This will be slightly more complicated than a simple redirect, as there is already an article at Glass harmonica. However, if I were you I wouldn't worry about that at present: concentrate on producing a decent article that meets our notability requirements at WP:NFILM. Redirects and disambiguation pages come later. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:31, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, if you think my draft is ready now I'd like to figure out the redirect situation. You were right before, I am trying to redirect to the article if someone searches "glass harmonica" Welcome back bro (talk) 22:05, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

The draft was moved, this is the current version: Draft:Steklyannaya Garmonika - Wikipedia Welcome back bro (talk) 02:57, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Conversation

hi how do start talking to people@ 2601:546:8080:3920:80E2:83D6:54A:E7CC (talk) 20:39, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Just like that. ~Anachronist (talk) 22:31, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Are you looking for our article on child development stages? Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:31, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Sorry to say that, If I am correct, you have mistaken Wikipedia for a social media platform or some kind of forum, of which it is neither, (Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not). Happy editing! Industrial Insect (talk) 14:11, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

African-American culture

i am trying to move the page African-American culture to African American culture which is currently just a redirect. The page should be correctly named without the hyphen between "African" and "American" as simply "African American" then culture. can someone help me make this move please? Iljhgtn (talk) 23:09, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

You will need to follow the instructions listed here. After seven days, the request will be closed by an uninvolved editor as either not done or done, depending on the outcome. NW1223<Howl at me•My hunts> 23:14, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

i am trying to figure that out. i do not see the new section thing i am supposed to use to start a new request. Iljhgtn (talk) 10:41, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Are you looking on Talk:African-American culture? For me, the 'New section' tab is between the 'Edit' and 'View history' tabs. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 5.66.229.169 (talk) 10:52, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

i think i figured it out and place the request here Iljhgtn (talk) 10:55, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

FWIW, this move was previously requested on 23 June 2021 on the article's Talk page, discussed, and unanimously opposed. It does not fit with Wikipedia's standard practices.

Wikipedia titles its articles with the most commonly used English-language terms for the subject (see WP:Common name), though it uses redirects to recognise others searched for, and it reflects real-world usages; it does not attempt to change them by adopting different ones, however virtuous. (See WP:Right great wrongs). {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 5.66.229.169 (talk) 13:09, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Process of removing Templates?

Hello!

While I know the process for removing templates like AfD are usually talk page discussions, or removing maintenance templates tends to be a best judgement - what is the process for removing more intense templates like Undisclosed Paid?

An example: I'd like to fix any of the issues with the Cloud Native Computing Foundation article, since it has had an Undisclosed Paid template since 2020. I'm not affiliated with CNCF nor have I ever contributed to CNCF's projects but I think open source work is important (and so is having accurate, unbiased Wiki articles). However, if I do spend time contributing to cleaning up the article and making sure it is more NPOV do I need to open discussion on the talk page for the Undisclosed Paid template to be removed?

No worries if there isn't concrete guidelines on this sort of thing. Just genuinely curious. Thanks! Lightcrowd (talk) 01:59, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Lightcrowd. You should try to analyze the article history, identify the likely undisclosed paid editors, and take a careful look at their contributions. Remove any promotional content and remove sources that are not reliable, along with content referencd to such sources unless you can find better ones. I think posting on the article talk page is a good idea. Once you have allowed a few days for comments, go ahead and remove the tag if no one disagrees. Cullen328 (talk) 03:32, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice! Lightcrowd (talk) 09:24, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

PDX5354 is the creator of the article and author of nearly all prose on the current page. Their talk page says that "they have been paid by The Rust Foundation for their contributions to Wikipedia" so you'll need to go through the whole article minus the "Cilium" and "Istio" sections. Good luck, Lightcrowd! Rjjⁱⁱⁱ(talk) 08:32, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Awesome, thanks for the help. This actually helps a lot, I know it means a much larger re-write than I was hoping but at least I have a starting point! Lightcrowd (talk) 09:25, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

@Lightcrowd: Just to be clear, I think Cullen328 suggested a thorough verification but not necessarily a thorough rewrite. The problem with COI editing (of which UPI is the ugliest part) is that the author might (on purpose, or unintentionally) cast the subject in a favorable light. It does not mean all output of COI editing should be thrown into the trash without thinking; you can keep the parts that are neutrally written without modifications. You might even decide to remove the tag without making a single edit to the article if you have reviewed it and are satisfied that there are no problems. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 13:18, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Awesome! Thanks for the expansion. I'll try to review it at some point this week and determine what, if anything, needs to be changed for this to have an NPOV.

Thanks again for all of your help :) Lightcrowd (talk) 18:58, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

How should citations to the Talmud be formatted?

I want to clean up and improve citations to the Talmud, but I don't know how to acccomodate the traditional citation system within Wikipedia's templates.

Background: References to the Talmud invariably mean the Talmud Bavli, the Babylonian Talmud, although it might be specifically identified as such to avoid potential ambiguity. There is another work called the Jerusalem Talmud, which would usually be identified as such. I don't propose to address citation to the Jerusalem Talmud at present, because it's a less standardised system.

Citations to the Babylonian Talmud consist of a volume name, e.g. Bava Batra, and followed by a folio/side number, such as 91a or 12b. This uses the pagination of the standard text, the Vilna Edition Shas. There are many modern editions of this work by different publishers, and several translations. The original (Aramaic) text is almost always identical across editions, but the translations are of course different.

Consequently, it seems to me that a correct citation to the Babylonian Talmud would include:

Where the reference is to the original text:

• The book: Talmud Bavli or Bablylonian Talmud
• The volume: Bava Batra or whatever
• The folio reference: 91a, 12b, or whatever

Additionally, where the reference is to a translation, or a particular edition of the original text:

• Publisher
• Name of edition
• and (possibly) Translator

And of course if the work is online:

• URL

So a complete reference IMO would be something like:

Talmud Bavli, Bava Batra 91a, The William Davidson digital edition of the Koren Noé Talmud, Sefaria.org

The particular problems I have had are distinguishing between the title of the text ("Babylonian Talmud, Bava Batra") and the title of the edition ("William Davidson Digital Edition"), as well as using the name of a volume ("Bava Batra") rather than a number ("7"). Any suggestions as to how I can best accommodate this within (e.g.) Wikipeda's template:Cite book would be appreciated. Joe in Australia (talk) 06:02, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Joe in Australia. Does Template:Cite Talmud work for you? Concidentally, my wife and I were married in San Francisco 42 years ago by Rabbi Joseph Asher, who spent seven years in Australia during and immediately after World War II, before coming to the United States. Cullen328 (talk) 06:12, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Cullen328. I wasn’t aware of that template, so thanks! It does solve part of my problem (standardising bare references to the Talmud) but it doesn’t seem to provide a way to link to an online copy. How would one go about proposing an amendment, just suggest it in the talk page? Would I get in trouble if I edited the template to add e.g. fields for an URL and publication data? Alternatively, is there a way to combine two Template:cites in one reference? Joe in Australia (talk) 09:26, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

@Joe in Australia Template:Cite Talmud/testcases has examples with associated URL. Mike Turnbull (talk) 09:52, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of User:Khannark/sandbox

 Note: Merged two sections with the same name (one made by ip, one by Khannark) 💜  melecie  talk - 06:17, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. A tag has been placed on User:Khannark/sandbox requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section U5 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to consist of writings, information, discussions, or activities not closely related to Wikipedia's goals. Please note that Wikipedia is not a free web hosting service. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such pages may be deleted at any time. If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator, or if you have already done so, you can place a request here. AntiDionysius (talk) 15:53, 16 September 2023 (UTC) 122.173.219.140 (talk) 06:04, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Courtesy deleted page link: User:Khannark/sandbox, deleted by Espresso Addict for G11 (Unambiguous advertising or promotion)

hi ip user! I'm assuming this is Khannark not logged in? if you're asking why the article was deleted, basically it was deleted because the article seemed to be advertising, which is not allowed in Wikipedia. I can't see the draft now so I can't really say anything about that, but if one of the reasons why you wanted to have an article is to advertise or promote something, please note that it's not the best idea, as apart from it not being allowed due to policy there are also reasons why you may not want one in the first place. if you have any other questions regarding this, please feel free to ask here. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 06:14, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. A tag has been placed on User:Khannark/sandbox requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section U5 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to consist of writings, information, discussions, or activities not closely related to Wikipedia's goals. Please note that Wikipedia is not a free web hosting service. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such pages may be deleted at any time.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator, or if you have already done so, you can place a request here. AntiDionysius (talk) 15:53, 16 September 2023 (UTC) Khannark (talk) 06:08, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Khannark, and welcome to the Teahouse. It appears that the page in question was deleted under criterion G11, indicating that the page appeared to be entirely promotional in nature - Wikipedia is not for advertising or promotion and so the page was deleted. You don't appear to have asked a question; is there something you need help with? Tollens (talk) 06:15, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Khannark, I am an administrator and read your deleted draft. It was a non-neutral, highly promotional hagiography crammed full of lavish praise. It was utterly inappropriate for a neutrally written encyclopedia. Cullen328 (talk) 06:22, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Dear @Cullen328,

I hope this message finds you well. I am writing to address the recent speedy deletion nomination of my user sandbox, User:Khannark/sandbox, I understand the importance of adhering to Wikipedia's guidelines and policies and want to clarify my intentions.

First and foremost, I have no intention of violating Wikipedia's guidelines or policies. My purpose in creating the sandbox was to prepare and draft an article about a notable surgeon in accordance with Wikipedia's content guidelines. If any aspects of the sandbox appeared to be in violation of Wikipedia's goals or policies, I sincerely apologize, as this was purely unintentional.

I would like to request an opportunity to create a new article from scratch, ensuring that it complies with Wikipedia's guidelines and policies. I am committed to following all relevant Wikipedia guidelines in this endeavor.

I genuinely appreciate your assistance and understanding in this matter. Wikipedia is a valuable platform for sharing knowledge, and I am eager to contribute constructively to it.

Thank you for your attention, and I look forward to your guidance on how to proceed.

Sincerely,

khannark Khannark (talk) 07:09, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Khannark, my advice is simple and brief: Always comply rigorously with the Neutral point of view, which is a core content policy. Cullen328 (talk) 07:13, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Khannark, and welcome to the Teahouse. I am not an admin, so I cannot see the deleted draft; but I'm guessing that you made the same mistake as almost all new editors do when they try to create an article: you wrote what you know and believe about the subject.

Wikipedia is not interested in what you know and believe about a subject (or what I know and believe about it, or what any other random person on the internet knows and believes). It is interested only in what has been reliably published about the subject by people wholly unconnected with them.

So the way to write an article is to start by finding sources about the subject which satisfy the golden rule. Only when you have found several of these is there any point in writing anything at all (because if you cannot find them, you'll know that the subject does not currently meet Wikipedia's criteria for notbility, and any further time you spend on this will be effort wasted).

If you have found these sources, you can start writing: write in your own words what those sources say. That's it. Even if you think they are wrong: unless you can find another reliable source that says what you think is the case, you should not "correct" them. Even if they say something that you really really don't think should be in the article, if the reliable sources say it (and it is encyclopaedic) then you should put it in. That's what a neutral point of view means. ColinFine (talk) 09:33, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Submission review to Mainspace

Can I move a draft that I have submitted for review to mainspace before the review process? If yes, I need to remove the Draft and AfC tags from the article before moving it, right? Also will there by any other entries that I need to make changes on w.r.t my submission. Draft:Suresh Selvarajan. Jeraxmoira (talk) 06:24, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Jeraxmoira Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Unless you have much experience having drafts accepted, it is highly recommended that you allow the review process to play out. It's even more important to use the process if you have a conflict of interest. It's better to find out problems with the draft first, rather than later as an article. However, if you are confident the draft would survive a hypothetical Articles for Deletion discussion, you are probably fine to move it. 331dot (talk) 06:31, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. The article was created forward and I am sure it passes GNG. I am more concerned about the stray entries that it may leave behind because of the submission review. From the 'What links here' page [1] I can see a lot links. Is there a bot to clean up the entries after I move it? Or should I do it myself? Example: Wikipedia:AfC sorting & User:SDZeroBot/Pending AfC submissions. Please advise <3 Jeraxmoira (talk) 07:05, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

I would be more concerned about whether the draft establishes that the subject is notable. I haven't checked all the references, but those that I did check either weren't independent of the subject, or lacked extensive discussion of him. Maproom (talk) 07:40, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

I have replied here here regarding WP:N. Jeraxmoira (talk) 08:13, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

please note that interviews are NOT reliable independent sources. Theroadislong (talk) 08:20, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Given that this is your first effort at creating an article. I strongly recommend going through AfC versus moving it to mainspace. The latter path could result in the article moved back to draft or even nominated for deletion as part of the New Pages Patrol process. David notMD (talk) 11:00, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

I already have two articles in main space and they were created directly. I wanted to know how the review process worked and that's why I submitted this one. Per the discussion here, I guess it doesn't exactly pass GNG but still goes through on WP:CREATIVE Jeraxmoira (talk) 12:01, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Apologies, I missed that in looking at your history of edits. There is a backlog of ~4,000 submitted AfC draft, but the system is not a queue. Reviewers pick what they want to do next. So, could be days, weeks, or sadly, months. Per comments by Theroadislong, consider trying to strengthen refs while waiting for a review. I note that refs 2, 3, 5, 6 and 7 are about one film, so you have little on other parts of his career. David notMD (talk) 13:47, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the inputs, I am working on expanding the article further. Just a question here, WP:CREATIVE is applicable even when its only about one particular notable film/ body of work, right? Do reviewers accept an article when it fails GNG but passes WP:CREATIVE? Or is WP:CREATIVE only used as a point on AfDs Jeraxmoira (talk) 04:53, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

@Jeraxmoira, there are a few subject-specific notability guidelines which "override" WP:GNG, but WP:NCREATIVE is not one of them. 57.140.16.29 (talk) 13:26, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Help for improving article

Draft:Shine Shetty for this article. How can I add good and reliable resources? Arumobileworld (talk) 11:16, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Pinging the declining reviewer, Jamiebuba. Edward-Woodrow :) _[talk] 11:41, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

I'm not the reviewer, but I'll have a go at giving advice. In order for there to be a Wikipedia page about an actor, they need to have passed the WP:NACTOR criteria. However most of your sources are The Times of India, which is generally regarded as an unreliable source for entertainment news articles, see WP:TOI. I would want to see significant coverage of Shine Shetty in reliable, independent (not interviews or press releases) sources. Qcne (talk) 12:16, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

After having a look, 1. I determined that the subject has only played minor roles in most of the movies he has been on. Apart from him winning the Bigg Boss Kannada season 7 there sourcing for the article is poor. He maybe notable but again the sourcing is a problem.

2. The sources used are generally unreliable as cited by another editor above. Jamiebuba (talk) 14:59, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Problem with navigation box

Would someone please look at Template:Clinton (village), New York and tell me why the last category does not format correctly. Thank you, deisenbe (talk) 12:20, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

 Fixed: the text was "group 8" instead of "group8". Edward-Woodrow :) _[talk] 12:25, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Column Widths

List of James Bond novels and short stories

I've tried to edit the column widths. I had some success with style="min-width: 600px;" and style="min-width: 60em;" in Column6 (in preview), but I can't restrict the width of Column1.

Can it be done... can you do it? MBG02 (talk) 14:32, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

By "restrict", do you mean making it wider or narrower, and as compared with the default or compared with the longest title? I see a few {{nowrap}} that may interfere with narrowing. DMacks (talk) 15:33, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

I meant "restrict" to a max width... i.e. make it narrower. Removing nowrap fixed it. (In my opinion). Thanks.

The font in the Plot column appears larger in my iPhone, but not in my iPad. I'll let someone else decide if that needs amending. MBG02 (talk) 18:23, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Validating family tree in MyHeritage

I am an 81 year old man and have been working on my family tree for several years using MyHeritage and FamSearch. Is there a way to validate ancestry using Wikipedia? I am using only direct blood relatives to build the tree (No siblings or adoptions), just going back in history with fathers and mothers. Because MyHeritage shows family histories from other users of the program, they often contain faulty information that leads me astray. Any ideas for validating the "real" links to my ancestors? Iamddo (talk) 15:51, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Dear @Iamddo: Hello and welcome to the teahouse. Please be mindful that Wikipedia is not an authoritative source on ancestry. It is based on volunteer input, which is based on the reliable sources they find on the internet. Besides, the majority of people (including yours truly here) would probably not satisfy the notability requirement of Wikipedia and not be included on the website.

Have a great day! --TheLonelyPather (talk) 15:58, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

As TLP says, Wikipedia cannot be used to validate anything with any certainty. I wonder whether you have tried Ancestry.com, which has a good reputation. Shantavira|^{feed me} 16:02, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. Yes, I have access to most of the genealogical websites, including the Mormon records. If I find that I may have someone in my family tree who is famous or infamous, I always look for them in Wikipedia. It is usually very helpful. Iamddo (talk) 16:07, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

@Iamddo: When you find information in a Wikipedia article about someone in your family tree, I recommend reviewing the reliable published source that accompanies the statements in the article for validation. If a source is missing for a given statement, feel free to add {{citation needed}} next to the statement, and hopefully another editor will provide a source. GoingBatty (talk) 16:49, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Wes Unseld (NBA basketball player)

Hello and good day. Go to Wes Unseld, scroll down to NBA career statistics, below the legend, please clean up table. No, I didnt do this, just discovered this randomly. Thank you and have a good day.Theairportman33531 (talk) 15:53, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Wes Unseld § NBA career statistics - 57.140.16.29 (talk) 16:14, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

@Theairportman33531, The table has been fixed by another user. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 16:21, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Sandbox question

I have no idea how to create a new sandbox page (mind you, not DELETE it, but create second one.) Help!!!!!!!!!! UnexpectedSmoreInquisition (talk) 17:22, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

@UnexpectedSmoreInquisition One way is to create a redlink and then click on that. So User:UnexpectedSmoreInquisition/Newsandbox would do the trick. There should be a forward slash (/) after your username and before the name you wish to use. Note that clicking the link I made here also provides the link to the Help Page.... Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:26, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Much obliged. UnexpectedSmoreInquisition (talk) 17:30, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict × 2) after 2 edit conflicts I'll just add that the guideline for creating subpages is WP:SUB, and it says that you can freely make subpages of your own user page. So you can put it pretty much anywhere you like under your user page, e.g. User:UnexpectedSmoreInquisition/sandbox2 - Astrophobe (talk) 17:32, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

though @UnexpectedSmoreInquisition, please note that other sandboxes do not show up on the top bar like your main sandbox User:UnexpectedSmoreInquisition/sandbox, so you may want to leave a link somewhere like that sandbox or your userpage so you don't lose it. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 01:13, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

You can't really lose a user subpage. If you go to Special:Contributions and scroll all the way to the bottom, the first link in the navigation box after the username is titled "Subpages", and will show a list of pages in the user's space, like Special:PrefixIndex/User:Melecie/ or Special:PrefixIndex/User:UnexpectedSmoreInquisition/. Folly Mox (talk) 04:49, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

true, but I think it's still better to keep it stored somewhere just so it's easy to access it. 💜  melecie  talk - 06:54, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

@Melecie@Folly Mox Thank you both for contributing, I agree on both of your inputs and will utilize those methods going forward. Cheers! UnexpectedSmoreInquisition (talk) 11:01, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Vandalism

I found what appears to be pretty balant vandalism on https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=CIA_and_the_Cultural_Cold_War&oldid=1171404245 under the section of CIA and music composition while reading the page.

I was trying to find a wiki project to bring attention to this page but it appears the Cold War wikiproject is dead.

Could I get some assistance in this regard? AevumNova (talk) 19:35, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

It looks like the revision is no longer in the page, but I might suggest asking an administrator on their talk page (say, one of these) if this warrants WP:RVDL. - Astrophobe (talk) 20:09, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

@Astrophobe I don't think REVDEL is quite warranted in this instance.

However, AevumNova, you could easily have reverted the vandalism yourself, simply by going to the View History tab and seeing the table of edits (most recent at the top). Each one has an 'undo' link next to it, and you are free to revert a damaging edit. It helps to leave a brief edit summary like "rv vandalism" to explain why you are undoing the previous edit. You are free to warn an editor if you remove a bad edit (though it's too late to worry about that now in this instance). You can use TWINKLE to make leaving templated messages quicker and easier. There's guidance on dealing with vandalism at WP:RVAN. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 20:30, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! I'm still very confused by a lot of wikipedia policies so I greatly appreciate your help! AevumNova (talk) 20:34, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

@AevumNova No worries. Note: it has been suggested to me that my advice about REVDEL in this instance could have been incorrect (see here). As always, there can be misunderstandings or misinterpretations of policies. But as long as we all work 'in good faith' we all live and learn for next time. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 15:09, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Use of {{cite web}}

I would like to use the cite web template to cite some interviews. I wish to make clear that what is cited comes from the interviewer not the interviewee. I am not sure that if I just add the editor field to the citation this is clear. This for a WP:BLP. I believe that things said by the interviewer are less likely to be judged as self-promotion than things mentioned by the interviewee. Any advice? Oldsilenus (talk) 22:13, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Oldsilenus and welcome to the Teahouse. Use Template:Cite interview instead. It has fields for the interviewer and for the subject. StarryGrandma (talk) 01:18, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

User:Oldsilenus, whichever citation template you use, you'll still have to clarify in the prose that the statement you're referring to was made by the interviewer rather than the interviewee, but unless the interviewer is very experienced or an investigative journalist they are likely to speak highly of the subject during the interview. It's a fairly natural phenomenon and a professional courtesy. Folly Mox (talk) 05:06, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Editor Block?

Not to be confused with being blocked from editing.

After editing for a couple of weeks I feel as if I hit a roadblock. I can't figure out what to edit. Has anyone else had this too? Subariba (talk) 00:06, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

@Subariba: Check out Wikipedia:Task_Center and WP:Backlog for some ideas. You can also try signing up for suggestions using the button at Wikipedia:Teahouse/Suggestions. Or, take a break and come back when you have an idea of what you want to work on. RudolfRed (talk) 00:13, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Subariba, are you talking about something akin to writer's block? I like wp:typo team for finding something to work on. Valereee (talk) 00:30, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Richardo Keens-Douglas

Hello - I would like to submit an article about children's author/playwright Richardo Keens-Douglas. Would you consider him notable enough for Wikipedia? 74.117.87.160 (talk) 00:46, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

I recommend you read WP:NOTABILITY. --Stewpot (TᴳRᴴAᴼIˢNᵀ)-(Cₛ) 00:51, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, IP editor, and welcome to the Teahouse. To clarify Stewpot's answer: I don't think they are suggesting that Keens-Douglas is or isn't notable, rather than it's your job as the person who wants to write the article to determine whether they meet the criteria.

If you read the policy, and think you've found suitable sources, but you're not sure, then I suggest you come back here with your three best sources, and somebody will probably be willing to look at them and tell you if they think they're enough. (Remember that notability, in Wikipedia's sense, is all about sources, not about what the subject is or has done). ColinFine (talk) 08:56, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for taking the time to break it down for me. Much appreciated. 74.117.87.160 (talk) 23:40, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello IP user. I recommend you read WP:SIGCOV and WP:N. From a single Google search, there seems to be 9 results for media coverage, and they seem to be from mostly unreliable sources, thus making coverage of this person ineligible for a WP article. Davest3r08 (talk) 16:51, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you so much! 74.117.87.160 (talk) 23:40, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

No problem. Davest3r08 (talk) 10:58, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

How

How do I fix the bishop-accountability.org references on my draft so that it displays the author (if applicable), date and title? What html code would I use? Thank you and May God bless you. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Gordon_J._MacRae ServantofGod2 (talk) 01:35, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

{{cite web}} ltbdl (talk) 02:37, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

hi @ServantofGod2 and welcome to the Teahouse! there is a template used to format and display references. since bishop-accountability.org is a website, you may use {{cite web}} for those references. other references may use {{cite book}}, {{cite journal}}, {{cite news}}, or other templates that can be found over at Citation Style 1, and more information on citing can be found at Citing sources. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 02:40, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

'Semantic Web Tags' and 'Wiki Markup' should I use a combination, or Wiki Markup exclusively?

September 19, 2023

To: Wiki Community TeaHouse: Question about 'Semantic Web Tags' and 'Wiki Markup'

Re: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Th74/sandbox&redirect=no

Titled: Draft: List of Greek New Testament Print Editions (16th century)

I'm in the process of making a Wiki Page and I'm not quite sure how to handle 'Semantic Web Tags' and 'Wiki Mark Up'. I'm making a Bibliographic Index which is, basically, Bibliographic Citation Data, broken up into its components with each part of the citation in individual table cells so a person can search by any component. There is one citation per row. An example would be that a person can search by date, or by publisher etc.

I read that WikiData's web-bots crawl all the content of Wikipedia each night to extract usable data, especially links.

To cooperate with this goal, I took the trouble to add 'Semantic Web Tags' to all the citation components. After this was completed, I discovered that Wikipedia uses an entirely different method: 'Wiki Mark Up'.

My question is: Should I strip out all my Semantic Web Tags, and go with Wiki Markup exclusively, or should I leave the Semantic Web Tags in and use an alternate tag for the prohibited <a> tag?

Additional Facts:

I noticed that in the 'Edit Source' mode, the Wiki Markup, ignores the Semantic Web Tags, except for a few prohibited ones, such as the <a> tag but I could use an alternate tag for <a>.

Here is an example of my 'Editor' Cell with Semantic Web Tags [Oops!, when I copy and pasted it into this box, all my Semantic Web Tags are gone. Click on the 'Source' tab above to see them.]:

de Cisneros, Francisco Jiménez

(1436-1517)

|Wiki-ID

|OCLC-ID

And here is the Wikipedia 'Edit Source' cell content [Oops!, when I copy and pasted it into this box, all my Semantic Web Tags are gone. Click on the 'Source' tab above to see them.]:

|-

| <span property="foaf:person" resource="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisco_Jim%C3%A9nez_de_Cisneros"><span property="foaf:family_name"><span property="foaf:givenname"><span property="schema:additionalName"><span property="gndo:dateOfBirth"><span property="gndo:dateOfDeath"><span property="schema:editor" resource="https://id.oclc.org/worldcat/entity/E39PBJvHhjFHYjM3PTRHJ6jpyd/">de Cisneros, Francisco Jiménez</span></span></span></span></span></span></span>

(1436-1517)
 [http://Francisco_Jim%C3%A9nez_de_Cisneros Wiki-ID]

 [https://id.oclc.org/worldcat/entity/E39PBJvHhjFHYjM3PTRHJ6jpyd/ OCLC]

And here is the same cell with all the 'Semantic Web Tags' removed:

|-
 | de Cisneros,  Francisco Jiménez (1436-1517)

 [http://Francisco_Jim%C3%A9nez_de_Cisneros Wiki-ID]

 [https://id.oclc.org/worldcat/entity/E39PBJvHhjFHYjM3PTRHJ6jpyd/ OCLC]

As you can see, a lot of detailed information is lost when I remove the Semantic Web Tags. I was thinking that if I can use a combination of Semantic Web Tags and Wiki Markup, then the WikiData bots will be able to harvest a lot more information.

Any advice and guidance you could provide would be appreciated.

sincerely Robert Crawford user: Th74

19 Sept. 2023 Th74 (talk) 02:45, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

 Note: wrapped code onto {{pre}} and nowiki 💜  melecie  talk - 03:12, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Melecie: I haven't read all that. In a Wikipedia article, you should never use <a href="...">. If the link is to another Wikipedia article, you should use a "wikilink", with double square brackets. If it's to a published source elsewhere, you should instead cite the source, see Help:Referencing for beginners.   Maproom (talk) 07:59, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Maproom, Melecie edited the OP's post; they're aren't the OP. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 08:57, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Can't tell if a certain page is published or not

I'm currently working on a draft (Draft:Steklyannaya Garmonika (Film) - Wikipedia) because I believed there was no page existing for the movie. If you type the name of the movie in Wikipedia it says the page does not exist. Somehow, I came across this: Glass Harmonica (cartoon) - Wikipedia which has a "current" and a "stable" version, whatever that means. Trying to search for this specific page yields nothing, but the page doesn't say that it is a draft too. What is this page, and does its existence change anything about my plans for my own draft? Welcome back bro (talk) 02:51, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

hi @Welcome back bro and welcome to the Teahouse! the existing article is on the Russian Wikipedia, which is pretty much its own project separate from the English Wikipedia, and is on Russian instead of English. if you couldn't search it here in the English Wikipedia, it probably doesn't exist here so it's still alright for you to make your draft even if there's an existing article in another language. the "current" and "stable" versions refer to whether a certain revision is patrolled, which if I understand it correctly is a process that does exist in the English Wikipedia though in a different and less restrictive form (we only patrol new pages, and while we also do have a similar system of pending changes, it only affects some articles, not all of them). happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 03:00, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

@Welcome back bro Your search led you to one of the other-language versions of an article about that film. The links between these versions are stored in Wikidata, specifically for that film here. Knowing this might help with your draft because it reveals that there are also versions in Dutch and Polish. Any one of these might suggest sources. Once your draft is accepted into English Wikipedia, it too should be linked to Q3124959. Meanwhile I suggest you read MOS:PLOT as I think the section on the plot you currently have, at ~900 words, is a bit too long. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:45, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

I'm back after 15 years, and I have a question about removing edits

I used this account when I was a little boy. I just recovered it and logged in for the first time in 15 years. This is cool.

I looked through my old edits, and I saw one in which I shared some information that I shouldn't have. Live and learn, it was over half a lifetime ago. Is there a way that a moderator can completely remove an edit, as if it never existed, such that others can't see it by looking through an edit history?

Thanks. Chesslover96 (talk) 03:26, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Chesslover96. Please read Wikipedia:Oversight. Cullen328 (talk) 03:32, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello @Chesslover96, welcome back, and welcome to the Teahouse.

It is possible for the admins to hide any edits a user has made (e.g. privacy or offensive edits). Please see WP:OS. Regards. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 03:34, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Wow, thanks @Midori No Sora! I just sent the Oversight Team an email.

By the way, cool username! What do you think is the best way to start editing again after a long break? Chesslover96 (talk) 03:43, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

You can check the Task Center for things to do. --Stewpot (TᴳRᴴAᴼIˢNᵀ)-(Cₛ) 03:52, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

@Chesslover96: Welcome back! If you're interested in editing articles about chess, you might be interested in working on resolving issues on the Cleanup listing for articles in WikiProject Chess. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 04:05, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

If you haven't, I recommend you brush up on how to add references (WP:TUTORIAL). Adding good refs is essential these days. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:33, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

want to create page for a company

hello my name is Dean Jones and I am from the shopping spout company. Shopping spout is US based company which are providing free coupon codes and promo codes for shopping lovers. I am handling this project and we have targeting top 10 countries with the same name and different TLDs. Is there any one who help me out to creating wiki page. Deanjones12 (talk) 04:04, 20 September 2023 (UTC) – spam link removed ltbdl (talk) 04:09, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

@Deanjones12: Welcome to the Teahouse! I suggest you read the essay Wikipedia:When your boss tells you to edit Wikipedia. Hope this helps! GoingBatty (talk) 04:07, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you so much for sharing is there any thing i can add related to coupon codes website? Deanjones12 (talk) 04:21, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi Deanjones12. It sounds like you might be misunderstanding some important things about Wikipedia. In addition, to the information provided about, you might also want to take a look at Wikipedia:The answer to life, the universe, and everything, Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not, Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies), Wikipedia:Conflict of interest and Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure. The last two are particularly important since any information you try add about your company to Wikipedia is almost certainly going to be considered a conflict of interest and also fall under Wikipedia's policy on paid editing. If after reading those pages, you still feel Wikipedia should have an article about your company, feel free to come back to the Teahouse and ask additional questions. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:28, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

thank you so much i have read all the articles which you shared with me. I have seen Retail me not page on Wikipedia retail me not are providing same services which my company are providing so that's why i am here to ask why i can't add if retail me not exist any specific reason? Deanjones12 (talk) 04:39, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

????? ltbdl (talk) 04:59, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

That question should have been answered by Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies), which states A company, corporation, organization, group, product, or service is presumed notable if it has been the subject of significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject. If such sources exist for the company you work for (like they do for Retailmenot - scroll down to the bottom of that article for the list), an article is acceptable. However, if such sources do not exist, an article may not be included. Tollens (talk) 05:01, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

ok some of sources is mentioned but all of those is publications of retail me not Deanjones12 (talk) 05:04, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Only one of the 23 sources listed is published by Retailmenot. Tollens (talk) 05:07, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

yes i have read but can you suggest me how i can add any similar site which is related to retailmenot? Deanjones12 (talk) 05:13, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

You can't to that page, as has already been made clear. You also can't at all unless the site meets the notability criteria that have already been explained. Tollens (talk) 05:15, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

ok Deanjones12 (talk) 05:28, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

@Deanjones12 Would recommend reading WP:COI, WP:N, and as @GoingBatty suggested, WP:BOSS. Davest3r08 (talk) 16:44, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Would also recommend reading WP:SIGCOV. Davest3r08 (talk) 16:44, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

@Davest3r08: OP blocked indef as an advertising-only account. Tollens (talk) 17:05, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

@Tollens I just read the original post. They were going to get blocked one way or another anyways. Davest3r08 (talk) 18:22, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Pidge (company) article help

Hello, Can someone please help me with the details that Pidge (company) 2nd nomination article was deleted with less vote plus I feel that company is notable because all the sources where reliable. I have read about WP:NCORP & WP:GNG which is generally addressed. As article is deleted, I cannot edit further. Please help whether page is eligible, I have skipped AfC process, Can I edit further for improvement by refund process or stop worrying. VKG1985 (Talk | E-Mail | Contrib) 07:13, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi @VKG1985, welcome to the Teahouse. You will need to go to WP:DRV if you want to contest the deletion. 57.140.16.29 (talk) 13:11, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for guidance. VKG1985 (Talk | E-Mail | Contrib) 20:12, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

how its work a sand box

write a some information about my company BuzzPlussolutions (talk) 08:28, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

OP indef blocked for promotion. Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:30, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

An administrator deleted my photo based on false assumptions

Hello Wiki friends,

My name is Amin. Yesterday I received a message from a Wiki administrator, claiming that I had uploaded a photo to Wikipedia “primarily for the purpose of insulting, demeaning, or defaming a person..”.. The administrator deleted the photo without giving me a opportunity to discuss it.

The administrator deleted the photo based on his assumptions that were incorrect. I had uploaded that photo with the full permission of my friend, and it was intended to inform, and not to insult or defame anyone. My friend who was in the picture and I both had a laugh about it. By now you must be curious about the photo. As it has been deleted by the administrator, you can still see a screenshot here, on a tweet that happened to go a bit viral, and my reply-tweet here.

I feel the administrator was wrong to delete the photo without any discussion. I would like to restore it. What would be my next step to do that? I welcome any help.

And if the administrator was right to delete it, I could accept that too. But I’d like to understand his arguments better. Because right now I feel they’re based on false assumptions and accusations. Small things like this slowly suck the fun out of reading and editing Wikipedia.

Thanks, Amin (Talk) 09:53, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Amin. You uploaded the picture to Wikimedia Commons, not to Wikipedia, and it was there that it was deleted. See the message on your Commons user talk page c:User talk:Amin, and address any comments or questions you have to Commons, which is a separate project from Wikipedia. ColinFine (talk) 10:09, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

The Commons help desk is at c:commons:Help Desk ColinFine (talk) 13:39, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, I will ask my question there. Amin (Talk) 15:11, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

italicize an article title

working on an article on a book, but would like to move the page to instead by italicized, how do i do that for an article title? the article is for a book called Dream Hoarders, and i looked at a popular book such as Harry Potter which is already italicized. please help me. Iljhgtn (talk) 11:28, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

@iljhgtn: {{italic title}} ltbdl (talk) 11:35, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

@Iljhgtn: In this case, {{Infobox book}} already italicizes the article title, so {{italic title}} is superfluous. GoingBatty (talk) 13:19, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

oh well i only added that later in my editing of that page so i didn't notice. so one or the other, but not both is needed? Iljhgtn (talk) 13:20, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Yep. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:56, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

History of the Philippines

In reading History of the Philippines, I noticed lots and lots of places where it seemed to me to need copyediting. I decided to do that. However, when I began editing, I noticed a line near the top of the editing page that said, "{{Use Philippine English|date=January 2023}}." This led me to stop editing, abandon any changes I had made, and come here for clarification. I understand there are allowances for British vs. American English, but what about Philippines English? Is that even a thing? Although I live in the Phils, I am not ethnically a Filipino. I know well that English as used orally by Filipinos is different from how Americans use it, but does that legitimize it for use on Wikipedia? If it does, I will just keep my white nose out of it. If not, I will proceed as I began. I have a second, related question. If I am making lots of small edits, maybe even a couple hundred, do I a) enter and save them together as one very long edit, b) make each a separate edit, or c) somewhere in between the two? Dgndenver (talk) 12:43, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Dgndenver, like you, I know nothing of Philippine English, so I'll just answer your second question. I would make the edits in batches, of several on the same issue, or several in one section, with edit summaries that explain what they have in common. A snag with submitting too many at once is that another editor who disagrees with one change may revert the whole edit. Maproom (talk) 12:53, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

@Dgndenver: Welcome to the Teahouse. I'm not familiar with Philippine English orthography, but this part of the Philippine English article might help you:

Philippine English traditionally follows American English spelling and grammar while it shares some similarity to Commonwealth English. Philippine English follows the latter when it comes to punctuation as well as date notations. For example, a comma almost never precedes the final item in an enumeration (much like the AP Stylebook and other style guides in English-language journalism generally).

Granted, it's got a {{citation needed}} template at the end, so take it with a grain of salt. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 12:56, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Some more info, albeit probably only slightly useful in this case, might be found at Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Philippines-related articles. Lectonar (talk) 13:05, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Looking at Philippine English it seems to be a complex mix of "American English spelling and grammar while it shares some similarity to Commonwealth English".
My copy of MS Word has "English (Philippines)" as an option - if you have that, it might be worth copypasting some text and seeing what Word's "English (Philippines)" makes of it - it should give the articles some consistency provided other authors do the same. Arjayay (talk) 13:04, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Philippine English is definitely a thing, unless the article about it is an elaborate hoax. Philippine_English#Orthography_and_grammar describes some of its particularities. From my five minutes of reading on the subject, it also seems to be well-established in written usage. WP:ENGVAR is not restricted to US vs. UK, so it definitely applies here (use Philippine English for subjects related principally to the Philippines).

That being said, "copyediting" can including many things. If the article says something about the "kolour" of the flag, you can confidently correct to "colour". However, further "correction" of "colour" to "color" (or the other way around - I have no idea which is correct) should not be made unless you are sure that is the Philippine English usage.

Your ethnicity or skin color is irrelevant in that regard, what matters is your proficiency in the (specific dialect of the) language. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 13:06, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

redirects with visual editor

is there a way to make a simple redirect with the visual editor instead of source editor? Iljhgtn (talk) 12:58, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi, I recommend you read WP:REDIRECT. --RotciW (TᴳRᴴAᴼIˢNᵀ)-(Cₛ) 13:10, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

thank you that was not very hard. Iljhgtn (talk) 13:14, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Italicizing article titles

I'm working on a draft for a movie, so the title should be italicized. There's no option to italicize text in the title, and it also appears that you have to move your article if you want to edit its title. How do other articles italicize their titles? Thanks! Welcome back bro (talk) 13:14, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

@Welcome back bro: Welcome to the Teahouse. You may be interested in using the {{italic title}} template. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 13:15, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Tenryuu is correct! You might also choose to use Template:Infobox film in the lead of your movie article, and it automatically italicizes the title. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 13:32, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, I looked at all those links but still couldn't figure out how or where to use the template. If you could explain it to me (or do it yourself if you know how) it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again! Welcome back bro (talk) 22:02, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

I added an infobox. Feel free to tweak or add to it. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 22:17, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

adding specific pages from a cited book

i want to add specific page numbers from a cited book for an article i was doing some work on for a book called Dream Hoarders. I was able to cite the book, but was not able to cite the specific page numbers for each different citation. if i added a page number to one, it would add page numbers to all. For example, if i added to one citation "page 3", then all areas where there was a citation to the book would then say "page 3", instead of "page 3" or "page 47" etc. Iljhgtn (talk) 13:17, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

look at the block quotes primarily for where i am having this problem. Iljhgtn (talk) 13:17, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Iljhgtn. I prefer to use Template:Sfn for situations like that. Some people use Template:Rp. I can answer followup questions on either option. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 13:30, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

are those used in visual editor? source editor is too complicated for me Iljhgtn (talk) 13:35, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Both are available in Visual using the Insert > Template > Template search option. Once you've selected the template, the editor guides you through filling in the needed bits of info. If you're looking for this to be as painless as possible, Rp is probably the way to go. You'll just type in the page number or page range each time you use the template. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 13:40, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

painless is good. Iljhgtn (talk) 13:41, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

I did not get deletion notifications for a draft

I created Draft:Jikkō kyō a while ago. Normally when a draft is potentially G13 deleted you get notifications about it, but this one I got nothing for, no 5 months warning and no talk page message about it being deleted at 6 months. Since I have a lot of drafts and often use deletion nobtifications as an opportunity to put work into the article I see this as potentially concerning. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 14:00, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Immanuelle. You did get the five month warning - see here. 57.140.16.29 (talk) 14:09, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Okay so now the only issue is why I didn't get a talk page notification Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 14:13, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Aren't these notices placed as a courtesy at the discretion of the administrator who deletes the draft? The notice I see at the end of your talk page wasn't left by a bot, but by a human. Isn't there a bot that leaves notices about recently-deleted inactive drafts? ~Anachronist (talk) 14:27, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

FireflyBot only gives five month notices; I don't think there's any notify-upon-deletion bot. Some admins might use scripts to automatically leave a notice. And like most human beings, an admin might occasionally forget. As far as I can tell per Criteria for speedy deletion, no notice is actually required, but there's strong consensus that one should be left. I'd recommend bringing this up with the deleting admin, @Immanuelle. 57.140.16.29 (talk) 15:34, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

The deleting admin did leave a deletion notice, here. Immanuelle, I would recommend not relying on G13 notices and warnings as part of your draft workflow. They are common practice, but not required. Many G13 undeletion requests are granted, and you can make such a request at Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 16:03, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

@Firefangledfeathers - that's a different draft and a different admin. 57.140.16.29 (talk) 16:05, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

woops! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 16:22, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

I disagree that there's strong consensus about this. Speaking for myself, I never leave a notice after deleting a page, except in rare circumstances. If an editor has already been warned about the possibility of deletion, then notice has already been given. The editor's failure to read or react to that notice isn't really my concern, because the editor had ample opportunity to respond. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:09, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

@Anachronist, I was just quoting the policy page - There is strong consensus that the creators and major contributors of pages and media files should be warned of a speedy deletion nomination (or of the deletion if not informed before). (and following paragraph). Seems fair to interpret the five month warning as being previously informed, but also fair to say it isn't. 57.140.16.29 (talk) 16:17, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Adding Linlang to main space

Can I submit this draft for submission? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Linlang# 120.28.185.206 (talk) 14:28, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

You could, but it's far from ready for review. If you submitted it now, it would be declined. It would be best to improve it first. ~Anachronist (talk) 14:30, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Upcoming dramas like Linlang are rarely notable until they have been aired and they have been reviewed in reliable sources. At present, you definitely don't have enough of these. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:33, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

How do I reply to ITN Candidates?

Where do I click to reply? Elisecars727 (talk) 15:43, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Elisecars727, welcome to the Teahouse. I assume you're talking about Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates? You could click the little reply link at the end of the nominator's comment, or the edit link next to the title of the nomination if you wanted to reply "manually". 57.140.16.29 (talk) 15:48, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Neutral language for decolonization?

It's a sensitive subject.

On some pages I see a colony being "granted" independence. On other pages I see a colony "achieving" independence. Two points of view that subtly shift the focus of agency as being more with the colonial power, or more with the objectives of colonial inhabitants. There is another POV that external pressures play a part in decolonization, which neither "grant" not "achieve" quite cover.

There are a number of causal factors which have been said to have played a part in the process of decolonization:

- changes in British political attitude to empire, leaning more to the granted view

- rise of colonial nationalism, the achieving or demanding view

- state of the British economy after 1945, the external pressure, unable to maintain empire view

- by-product of the rise of American and Soviet powers, another external pressure

My personal opinion is that "grant" can seem a bit patronizing, but as the usage of "grant" is so widespread there's consensus for its use.

Would it be more neutral to be generally describing colonies as "becoming" independent?

If there is evidence/analysis in a particular case that one (or some) of the causal factors was (were) more important for a particular country, then use more specific language.

Or do I think too much about the subtleties of language?

I have also been trying a thought experiment, taking a statement from one page and imagining it being placed on another page, and thinking about how its neutrality might be received. It is also interesting to look at the same article in different languages. Is this the right way to be thinking about neutrality, or is neutrality context sensitive? Corsac Fox Kazakhstan (talk) 16:47, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

@Corsac Fox Kazakhstan One factor to consider is the wording used in the sources for a given article. In general, Wikipedia uses the same language as its sources, which of course may themselves not be neutral. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:07, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

@Corsac Fox Kazakhstan: I somewhat disagree with Michael D. Turnbull above. A reliable source that uses biased language is not a license for us to do the same. We can do better. There are plenty of biased sources that are nevertheless considered reliable by the community (Mother Jones magazine comes to mind). We cite the facts they report, not their bias.

As for wording, "became independent" or perhaps "gained independence" would be more neutral than "granted" or "achieved" independence, but if it's historically more correct to say "achieved" (say, a country actually did achieve independence through a bloody war) then we should use the historically accurate term. ~Anachronist (talk) 19:26, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

unable to upload image on my article

hi, I am new to Wikipedia recently upload an article and submit for the review but I was unable to upload any image in it.. uploading image option is showing error. kindly guide me in this regards. Unaiza Asgher (talk) 17:19, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. New accounts cannot upload images; you may go to Files for upload to work with others to help do so, but before you worry about images I would address the concerns of the reviewer of your draft. Images are not relevant to the draft approval process, which only considers the text and sources. Images can wait until your draft is accepted and placed in the encyclopedia. 331dot (talk) 17:25, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

@Unaiza Asgher Drafting articles to our standards is not easy for newcomers and I'm not surprised it has already been declined. You should carefully read WP:YFA and, as far as any pictures are concerned note that these are usually uploaded to Wikipedia Commons (which has its own Helpdesk) and introduced into article as filenames. See Help:Pictures. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:26, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Stuck in Sandbox! Publish button has frozen!

Hi. I have created a new article in my sandbox, Wabbity, but when I tried to save my work by pushing the Publish button, it didn't recognize my article and I couldn't save it, because the button got stuck. What do I do to make sure that my article is saved? And what do I do to move it from the sandbox to an editor?

Wabbitty (talk) 18:26, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

@Wabbitty: Welcome to the Teahouse! I see your draft in Draft:Sarah Boxer. You can add {{Userspace draft}} to request a review. However, you will need to add references in the proper format. Please see WP:EASYREFBEGIN to learn how to add the references. If you haven't done so already, I recommend reading Help:Your first article for lots more helpful information. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 19:17, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Does vandalism once ban forever?

Does it? CalebWave (talk) 19:12, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

@CalebWave Wikipedia tends to be rather forgiving of people and give them a lot of opportunities to reform their behavior. I won't say I approve of all decisions made by Wikipedia but generally you will be given second chances. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 19:14, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

@CalebWave: However, if you do it again after being warned about it, and discussing it here, you have no excuse for further vandalism, and doing more vandalism will quickly result in your account being blocked. Consider yourself warned. This is a collaborative environment and you are expected to make constructive edits. Accounts are blocked if they are deemed to be detrimental to the Wikkpedia project. ~Anachronist (talk) 19:33, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

acceptance of citation of a living person biography

I am not sure if a citation for the person can be accepted such as this (kindly refer ABOUT THE AUTHOR in the supplied link). 1. https://books.google.co.in/books?id=FWCiWWeRCU4C&pg=PA196&lpg=PA196&dq=vk+nuh+born&source=bl&ots=fvY3d5HCQh&sig=ACfU3U32drJ7HTYEwO956XLtuKrZ1v8Kig&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiA-eXR87mBAxVQ1GEKHR1uAq04FBDoAXoECAIQAw#v=onepage&q=vk%20nuh%20born&f=false

2. https://www.bagchee.com/books/BB3653/my-native-country-the-land-of-the-nagas Renilo77 (talk) 19:19, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Renilo77, and welcome to the Teahouse. I can't see the contents of the first link (Google books says I've reached the limit), so I can't tell for sure. Does it contain significant coverage of Vuh (at least three paragraphs, say) and appear to be written by an independent commentator? If so, then it may be an acceptable source for helping to establish notability. But if it is just a brief biography, then it probably comes from Vuh or his associates, and is not independent. In that case you may still be able to cite it as a primary source (see that link for the limitations on what information you may use it for) but it won't help to establish notability.

And the second link is to a book written by Vuh, so is also not independent.

What I suggest you do is:

• Go through the sources you have cited in your sandbox, and for each of them, check if it meets the criteria in golden rule. If it doesn't, remove it (you can always save them in another sandbox in case you need them later).
• If you have no sources that meet the criteria, and you cannot find any, then give up, as that means that Vuh does not currently meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, and any more time and effort you spend will be wasted.
• If at least three of your sources do meet those criteria, then format them properly (see REFB).
• Remove anything in your draft which is not backed up by one of these reliable sources.

Then it might be worth resubmitting the draft. ColinFine (talk) 20:49, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Is is appropriate for the alt on an image to be the same as the caption

Is is appropriate for the alt on an image to be the same as the caption? See Anna, Illinois. Kk.urban (talk) 19:24, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

No, we don't want the alt text to duplicate the caption. If the caption is sufficiently descriptive, it's ok for the alt to be "refer to caption". See MOS:ALT for more info. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:28, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Firefangledfeathers, I don't see anywhere in that link that says "We don't want the alt text to duplicate the caption". It says that it may say "refer to caption", but, there are several examples given where the alt text is very similar to the caption, and no suggestion that these are wrong. ColinFine (talk) 20:55, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi ColinFine. It says "The alt text is intended to be read out by screen readers just before the caption, so avoid having the same details in both." Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 21:47, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Try to imagine being blind/having difficulty seeing - the alt is supposed to describe the image to give you an idea of what it looks like - the caption is a formal description so it could be alt=an old stone gateway in poor repair in a broken down wall: caption=entrance to the castle in 2020 - Arjayay (talk) 21:55, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

I missed that line. Thank you. ColinFine (talk) 22:06, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Incorrect spelling for Wikipedia search result

When I do a search for Eva M. Mack on the Wikipedia search engine, it says "Merican Attorney" under the search result. I would add a screenshot, but the system won't let me. Starlighsky (talk) 19:31, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

@Starlightsky: It was in the short description template at the top of the page. I fixed it. That spelling was added by Metroick without any explanation. ~Anachronist (talk) 19:36, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Starlighsky (talk) 19:46, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

RE: Notability and Financial Conflict of Interest

Hello all, I am a paid student worker at Rice University, and I've been tasked with creating Wikipedia pages, one for each member of the Rice Chemistry faculty.

I am brand new to Wiki stuff, and in the last few hours of researching what is and is not allowed on Wiki, I've come across different pages on notability and Conflict of Interest. I am seeking clarification on these issues.

1) Does being a world-class chemistry department qualify each member to have a bio on Wiki? Or does this fail to meet notability criteria?

2) I am a paid student worker creating these pages for the purpose of making the involved scholars more noticeable and searchable on the internet. Would these articles be considered promotion by a business and be disallowed thereby? Also, would articles such as these fail to be accepted because I am a paid worker for this department and a student at this school, having therefore several conflicts of interest? Chemhelprice.edu (talk) 21:08, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Each member of the department must meet WP:NACADEMIC individually. Simply being a member of a 'world-class chemistry department' is not sufficient on its own.

As a paid student worker. WP:PAID applies to you. You must complete the mandatory disclosures explained on that page, and you should use the WP:AFC process instead of creating the articles directly in the mainspace. If and when the articles to get moved to the mainspace, you should then only suggest any further changes on the article talk pages rather than continuing to edit them directly.

This isn't policy based, but on a personal note I would suggest you point whoever has asked you to do this to Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing - this project could end up backfiring. MrOllie (talk) 21:13, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

You should probably read this as well Wikipedia:When your boss tells you to edit Wikipedia. Theroadislong (talk) 21:14, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello. First, you must make the Terms of Use required paid editing disclosure on your userpage. Your username seems to be that of a website, if so, you will need to change it via Special:GlobalRenameRequest. I would also suggest that you read WP:BOSS and have your superiors read it too.

The chemistry department being notable would not necessarily make its staff notable, as notability is not inherited by association. You would need to show that each person is notable themselves to write articles about them. Please see Your First Article. 331dot (talk) 21:14, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

This username is not the name of a website as far as I'm aware. How do I put the paid editing disclosure on my user page? I thought that was something you just put on each draft you create.

(Also, I hope to make clear that I respect the intentions and values of Wiki and that's why I looked for a place to ask these questions. I was asked to do this assignment, but I will not do it if it violates the values and terms of this community.) Chemhelprice.edu (talk) 21:38, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Use the template {{userbox coi|article1|article2|article3}} and so on, inserting additional articles as need. Put this on your userpage. NW1223<Howl at me•My hunts> 21:59, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

I would add that Wikipedia has no interest in search results or getting people noticed. 331dot (talk) 21:17, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

List of Rice University people includes faculity for whom articles exist. This does not guarantee that all those articles meet current Wikipedia standards for academics, but it should give you some idea of what confirms notability. I have no knowledge of Rice University, but strongly believe that some of the Chem Dept facilty do not meet the criteria of academics. David notMD (talk) 02:21, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Edit con== Wikipedia Sandbox/Article gift - Help?

Good day, all! (This question is not about editing existing pages, and I don't seek to create a new one; I'm just looking for ideas. If the Teahouse is the wrong place for this, could someone point me in the right direction?)

I'm an avid wiki lurker, and so is one of my close friends, who I want to create a birthday card for. The card in itself would be a printed header and introduction of a Wikipedia-style page about the person.

Naturally, they don't qualify for a page, and I'm not interested in publishing one for them. Instead, I want to create an authentic-looking page with the Wikipedia visual editor. I was considering making one in my sandbox, but I obviously would rather refrain from posting their information on the internet. I've also tried hosting my own MediaWiki server, but configuring it to use Wikipedia templates and image hosting has proved a bit beyond my ability.

Does anyone have any ideas on a way I could create a private article (or close mock-up) using the Visual Editor or any other method? Thank you! NootingPenguin (talk) 21:33, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

A quick and dirty solution is to open any biographical Wikipedia webpage, then open a dev console in your browser (e.g. by pressing Option+Command+I in the macOS version of Safari) and edit the source of the Webpage directly. It should be updating as you type without actually changing anything on Wikipedia servers (only your cached copy of the page changes). Podstawko (talk) 21:46, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

I'll try to do that, we'll see how well the markup works. Thanks! NootingPenguin (talk) 21:54, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Edit conflict

I am Wabbity and I just added 40 references to an article I wrote in Drafts titled Sarah Boxer. When I tried to publish the draft, it said there was an "editing conflict" and it deleted all the references I put in. Is there any way to get those back? I won't make any more edits, of course, until I figure out how to submit changes without them getting deleted! So two questions:

Can I get my old draft back, the one with the references in it?

How do I prevent this from happening again?

Wabbitty (talk) 21:40, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Wabbitty, and welcome to the Teahouse! An edit conflict happens when someone publishes changes to a page while you are actively editing it. When this happens, the computer doesn't know which changes to keep (yours, theirs, or some combination of both), so it asks you to pick the changes to keep yourself. It seems you likely clicked a button somewhere along the way that kept only the changes made by another editor while you were editing. Unfortunately, you cannot get the changes back, which I understand is very frustrating. Edit conflicts are fairly uncommon, but become more likely and more difficult to fix as you edit for a longer time in a single edit, so saving your changes regularly will help reduce the chance this happens again at all, as well as make it easier to resolve the conflict if it does. The help article on edit conflicts does a better job explaining how to fix an edit conflict than I'll be able to do here concisely - I'd suggest reading through it for all the details. Tollens (talk) 01:14, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Article deleted. Had only 13 percent on copy check

hi, article deleted? Eleven table tennis? Why? Acetylcholine (talk) 21:42, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

@Acetylcholine What? This one: Eleven Table Tennis? Could you explain your concerns a little more clearly, please? Nick Moyes (talk) 22:00, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

It is showing, but for some reason the links to this article in my talk page showing as RED, which means deleted.

I was surprised, I put a lot of effort to collect almost everything on Google to compile the information.

I have seen few more articles about VR games and they are less than half of it and still no one touched them. I hope that this eleven table tennis article does not meet any criteria for deletion.

I am not related to this game in any way. I am a Pediatric Surgeon by professsion. I just love this game.

This game can make our children more thin and active, instead of playing on the couch, this game is to be played like a real table tennis game and yet it can be played at home and in a limited space and it's a great fitness and entertainment duo for our next generation. Acetylcholine (talk) 22:12, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Acetylcholine. The link on your talk page is to the non-existent Draft:Eleven Table Tennis: you moved it to Eleven Table Tennis.

I have tagged it for tone and peacock language, but I haven't investigated to see whether or not it meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability.

Note that the existence of other articles is irrelevant: see other stuff exists. Also, the virtues of the game are of zero relevance to Wikipedia, unless they have been written about by an independent reliable source. ColinFine (talk) 22:23, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

@Acetylcholine: You should have waited for an experienced editor to review your draft rather than move it to main space yourself before it was ready. ~Anachronist (talk) 01:23, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

yes, that I admit was not a good thing, "in-experience". I uploaded the logo and the file would not upload unless I give associated article and the upload system would not accept draft version. So I moved it to article with the intention of reversing it to draft after the logo would upload. After upload I tried to revert it to draft status but I failed to do so because I guess my privilege was restricted and I could not do it.... Acetylcholine (talk) 01:44, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

hi @Acetylcholine! generally the guideline is that non-free images are to be used exclusively in fully published articles where they are relevant (not drafts of any kind, and nowhere else in the wiki). so if you want to bring it back to a draft, you have to remove the image until the draft is properly approved. don't worry, the lack of an image won't make it any less likely for the draft to be approved. see the non-free content policy| for more on this. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 02:01, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

How to move a table

I made a draft for a movie: Draft:Steklyannaya Garmonika (Film) - Wikipedia and created a table that explained details of its production. How do I move the table to the right side of the page, above the first photo, like how tables for movies are on other articles? Thanks! Welcome back bro (talk) 22:00, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

I suggest using an infobox (presumably {{infobox film}}) instead of a wikitable. ColinFine (talk) 22:16, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Figure tags.

I need to revise the tag of a photograph I submitted to Wikimedia Commons. I need to change the tag to one that records a file (photo of a pre-1923 document) for which I acquired permission to use from the owner. I also learned that the photo has no copyright involved. Which tag is this? Many thanks.Tfhentz (talk) 22:25, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Tfhentz. A document first published before 1923 is in the public domain, as are all things published over 95 years ago. Not knowing the details of whether the document was actually published or just stored for 100 plus years, I suggest that you ask at the Commons Help Desk, providing more details. Cullen328 (talk) 22:36, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Thanks for your kind response. The document is a 1776-dated officer commission for a Revolutionary War soldier that has been in an archive for 100+ years. The archive has just given me permission to use it "as you wish." There are no copyrights involved, and it has never been published. Any ideas on which tag to use? (I just can't find the list of the various tags that I once saw; otherwise I wouldn't bother you.) Thanks! Tfhentz (talk) 22:50, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

@Tfhentz: I think you are looking for c:Template:PD-US-unpublished but asking at c:Commons:Help_desk may be better. RudolfRed (talk) 23:20, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

How to post pictures on wikipedia

I wanted to know how to post a picture on wikipedia. 98.47.101.200 (talk) 00:09, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Unregistered and new users cannot upload pictures to Wikipedia, You can request an upload at WP:FFU. --RotciW (TᴳRᴴAᴼIˢNᵀ)-(Cₛ) 00:29, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

if you register for an account, you can also upload your own (though yes, it does have to be your own, not ones you just took elsewhere from the internet, unless the author of that image put that image under a free license like these) images on Wikimedia Commons, in the case you have taken some great photos you want to use here in Wikipedia. see Commons:First steps/Uploading files for a tutorial on that over there. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 00:50, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi and what do I do next if my edits are reverted?

Hi everyone! I was excited to work on an entry, adding what I thought was significant, useful information, but the work I did reverted. There are a couple possible reasons, but...now what? I don't want to spend a lot of time trying to approach this in different ways, guessing about how I can improve enough to be kept live. Is there a person I can talk to who is reverting the stuff, so I can know how to change it so that it will be included? Thanks! Beverly East (talk) 01:11, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

@Beverly East:. Read Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle. Basically, go to the article talk page and start a discussion there to support what you want to add. ~Anachronist (talk) 01:15, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

@Beverly East: You don't seem to be aware that Wikipedia isn't a web directory or collection of links. It's an encyclopedia. All you added was a big list of external links. A web directory has no encyclopedic value. That's why your contribution was removed. ~Anachronist (talk) 01:18, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi Beverly East. For future reference, you can check a page's history to see a record of all the edits made to the page. In many cases, users leave edit summaries explaining why they made their edits, and these edit summaries often contain blue links to relevant Wikipedia policy or guideline pages that further explain what the problem was. In this case, the edit was reverted for not being in accordance with WP:NOTDIRECTORY as explained above by Anachronist. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:33, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

War edition

Dear friends,

There is a page on wikipedia where I feel a racial bias by a user, which constantly manipulates the figures and gives subjective concepts to explain some percentages that are not included in their references. What can I do to get a third party or a high ranking wikipedian to come in and settle it? Since A few months ago an endless thread was created on the Talk page of the site, where this person debated and debated without argument. Thank you Kodosbs (talk) 01:21, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

@Kodosbs: Check out WP:DR for next steps on getting help to resolve the dispute. RudolfRed (talk) 01:29, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: White Mexicans and Talk:White Mexicans 💜  melecie  talk - 01:30, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

AzarbaiJAAN

What is azarbaijaan? It's a milatiry name? Or any place? 175.107.225.148 (talk) 01:35, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Azerbaijan is a country at the border of Europe and Asia. You might consider reading the article on the country for more information. Please note that this page is for questions about using or editing Wikipedia - please use a search engine next time, or the reference desk for more complicated questions. Tollens (talk) 01:39, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Participants addition page on WikiProject

Hi, I hope you are doing well. I need help adding code to a page on a WikiProject I manage. In simple terms, I want to add a 'Participants self-adding entry box' to Wikipedia:WikiProject Chenab Valley/Members, similar to what many other drives and projects have, as shown in this example. ❯❯❯ Chunky aka Al Kashmiri (✍️) 02:40, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

@TheChunky; Hi, check WP:MMS#Requesting a mailing. --RotciW (TᴳRᴴAᴼIˢNᵀ)-(Cₛ) 03:07, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

@RotciW Thanks for responding, but my request is not about mailing or mass messages! I am talking about the addition of entry box for users who wish to participate in this WikiProject. ❯❯❯ Chunky aka Al Kashmiri (✍️) 03:25, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Opps! Misread it. Sorry! --RotciW (TᴳRᴴAᴼIˢNᵀ)-(Cₛ) 03:28, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Made some changes to the userbox, apparently works. Sorry for the inconveniences! --RotciW (TᴳRᴴAᴼIˢNᵀ)-(Cₛ) 04:06, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

No issues, Thanks for that. Waiting for response from an expert for my request above. ❯❯❯ Chunky aka Al Kashmiri (✍️) 04:39, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

hi @TheChunky! I believe that the above page Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Backlog drives/October 2023/Participants is generated specifically as a mailing list (which the mass mailer bot can easily scan to send mail to everyone) and can't really be made by anyone except those who have the right to make mailing lists (see Help:Extension:MassMessage for more about this). in my opinion I don't think a fancy self-adding entry box is really needed, a simple list of members like most other wikiprojects (such as ones for Computer science, Hong Kong, or the Typo Team) would probably suffice just as well. happy editing 💜  melecie  talk - 07:10, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. If you could check out this WikiProject and make some improvements to what looks odd there, I would appreciate it. Thanks again. ❯❯❯ Chunky aka Al Kashmiri (✍️) 07:16, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

@TheChunky, I have requested a shell move at RM/TR. 𝙳𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚖𝚁𝚒𝚖𝚖𝚎𝚛 ^{𝚍𝚒𝚜𝚌𝚞𝚜𝚜} 08:46, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

@DreamRimmer Thank you. ❯❯❯ Chunky aka Al Kashmiri (✍️) 08:52, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Editing Conflict

Hello! I am working for a person who needs their page updated. I am a conflict of interest and am getting confused on

1) how to declare that I am a conflict of interest

2) getting assistance in updating the page.

I have been emailing the Wikipedia volunteer account and am constantly (and very much unknowingly!!) violating guidelines in trying to request. So, I am looking for some help in mostly getting the page updated, but also declaring that I am a conflict of interest in requesting.

Thank you for your time! Fahroisin (talk) 03:52, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Follow WP:PAID .You must disclose your conflict of interest, and request changes on the article's talk page rather than making them yourself. Meters (talk) 04:09, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

See WP:EDITREQ for how to request edits once you have disclosed your conflict of interest. Meters (talk) 04:10, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Advert in image attribution

I notice that the image on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iliotibial_band_syndrome contains an advert for a shop by way of “attribution”. Is this allowed ? 2A02:C7C:DE89:3600:ADF8:5299:3B32:1869 (talk) 07:20, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

The attribution requirement is not a problem per se. The problem is that the image has an embedded logo, sometimes called a watermark. That is contrary to policy unless the image is notable itself and the logo is a significant aspect of the notability of the image. That does not seem to be the case here. In my opinion, the image should be cropped to remove the logo, unless there are very good reasons to the contrary. You can do it yourself if you are a moderately skilled image editor. Otherwise, you can ask for help at Wikipedia:Graphics Lab/Photography workshop. Cullen328 (talk) 07:36, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Alternativley, bin it and use this free image. File:Iliotibial band syndrome-en.svg - X201 (talk) 07:49, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

binned. the original image only allows reuse if you re-use the image with the BodyHeal.com.au logo on your website or any online publication as long as the proper creditation is given to BodyHeal.com.au. which probably means it should be deleted? ltbdl (talk) 08:20, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Nominated for deletion c:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Iliotibial Band Syndrome.jpg. MKFI (talk) 08:48, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Mukesh Chhabra

Hello all wikipedians, before some days im extended and added reliable sources in Draft:Mukesh Chhabra and moved to Article space but User:Anachronist remove it back to draft space and User:Jamiebuba asked me that Do You Have Any Paid Connection with Subject? And he added "Undisclosed paid" on draft.I'm a Indian wikipedians and Draft:Mukesh Chhabra is well known Casting Director in India. Thats why I'm working on Draft:Mukesh Chhabra. Please let me know If you have any objection, I will stop working on this Draft:Mukesh Chhabra subject.Rajmama (talk) 09:03, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

I don't see reason to assume paid editing based on the content of the article, which is sourced to numerous secondary sources. The article does not appear overly promotional. It does need some grammar and syntax cleanup, but that appears to be the worst problem. Once that's fixed, I don't see a reason to exclude the draft from article space. Pecopteris (talk) 09:15, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

@Rajmama and @Pecopteris, As cited by @Anachronist the draft was moved by an inexperienced editor after it was was submitted previously and declined in draft. Note that the draft was initially submitted by @Creation07, though the subject maybe notable after edits were done by Rajmama but should still should have been resubmitted through AFC or at least moved by an experienced editor.

@Rajmama Again, do you have any COI with the subject? I had asked this on your talk page and you never responded to the question directly. Jamiebuba (talk) 10:28, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

No i don't have any COI with the subject and im already replied you on my talk page. Again Draft:Mukesh Chhabra is an well know Casting Director in India. Thats why I am extended this draft and added reliable sources and after that moved to Article Space.Rajmama (talk) 10:37, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

@Rajmama I'm an enthusiastic copy editor, let me know if you'd like me to do an edit on the draft for grammar and readability! I checked it out but was not sure if it would be polite to make changes to someone else's article draft. (Please "ping" me using @Chiselinc or post on my talk page to confirm, as I might not see otherwise. Also, the New Page Review comment on the draft's talk page pointed out that all the sources are paid or promotional sites, requesting that you find other sources to add- I don't know much about that side of editing yet, but thought I'd bring it to your attention here in case you had missed it! Cheers, Chiselinccc (talk) 11:57, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Link created now working, but previous link to same site are working

I created a link in the infobox of this site. Existing links work, one is the body of the article. However, the infobox link directs to a site saying the linked article doesn't exist. The spelling is the same, though: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eva_M._Mack The link for this person Hugh Ellwood MacBeth, Sr. Starlighsky (talk) 10:51, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

 Done Theroadislong (talk) 11:00, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! This is fascinating. How did you fix it?

Is it known why is wasn't working? Starlighsky (talk) 11:56, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

OK for site's URL to point to Wikipedia article?

An acquaintance has a Wikipedia article that was written about him. He would like for his website's URL to link directly to the Wikipedia article. Is that permitted? He asked me for advice. I found documentation which says that it is, but what I found was someone's essay and not an official policy. Guidance would be appreciated. Thank you. – Kekki1978 ^{(talk ✉ | contribs ✎)} 10:53, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia welcomes incoming links, but that is a strange request as he will have no control over the content and when you say the URL will link directly such a link implies he is using Wikipedia to host his own website, which is not permitted. If he simply includes a link to Wikipedia on his website, that is fine. What is the name of the article? Shantavira|^{feed me} 11:09, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

@Kekki1978 I assume he is linking from his own website hosted elsewhere: that website may even be mentioned in the article here about him. Linking back is fine but note that if he chooses to copy any material to re-use it on his website, he should read WP:REUSE which has a policy about the licensing of Wikipedia content. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:14, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Actually I understood that person would like to redirect his own website address to a Wikipedia page, so that typing www.examplepersondomain.com to a browser will instead take you to Example. Obviously we can't prevent that since the redirect is outside Wikipedia but as Shantavira says it is somewhat risky, since the Wikipedia page could change at anytime.

@Kekki1978: could you clarify what your friend is planning to do, since several of us have a different idea of what your question means? MKFI (talk) 11:23, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Maybe I'm the odd one out here but the original poster's request seemed pretty unambiguous to me. His acquaintance wants some website (say www.acquaintance.com) to either link or redirect to the Wikipedia article about that acquaintance (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/that_acquaintance_of_his). If that's the case, there's nothing wrong with either of these, and there's nothing Wikipedia can do to prevent either of these, either. Whether that's a good idea is a different question which the acquaintance should answer themselves considering the lack of control they would have over their own bio. Podstawko (talk) 11:53, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you all for your responses. My acquaintance does not want Wikipedia to host his own website. He has a website hosted elsewhere and, quoting above, "wants to redirect his own website address to a Wikipedia page, so that typing www.examplepersondomain.com in a browser will instead take you to" Wikipedia page. I will let them know that such a thing is permitted. That is a good point that the Wikipedia's article's contents may change at any time. I will bring that risk to their attention. Thank you all for fielding the question. – Kekki1978 ^{(talk ✉ | contribs ✎)} 12:10, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Sources articles film/movies

Hello,

I need a little help. So I would like someone to tell me which of the websites listed below can be considered good sources. To add content to movie articles.

https://www.metacritic.com/

https://collections-search.bfi.org.uk/web/search/simple

https://www.allmovie.com/

https://letterboxd.com/

https://aficatalog.afi.com/

https://www.moviefone.com/

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/

thanks a lot Matirosta (talk) 11:50, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Pictures from Getty Images

Hello,

does anybody have any experience with using pictures from Getty Images? Getty Images

Is this an easier way to obtain a picture of an actress? I am currently working on the draft of an actress and in Getty Images, there are several nice pictures of hers.

Thanks in advance! Bernhard.rulla (talk) 11:55, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

No, I'm afraid you cannot use Getty Images as a source for images. See WP:GETTY. Shantavira|^{feed me} 12:05, 21 September 2023 (UTC)